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"Originally Posted by Gondangdia Guy

Let's finish today's reporting with experience 9, from the Chinese section of Malio. . ."

I have always stuck to the wine bar girls in Malio, being a firm believer that the nether regions of a standard price Indonesian lass are pretty much the same as an Uzbek girl charging three or four times the amount (the post below somewhat confirms my belief).

However not having been out and about much lately and with ample cash in my pocket I did something that I would not usually do, a particularly stunning titty-dancer caught my eye and when she went around the floor I decided after a couple of shot-dances that I would like to take her to a room. She called over the effeminate young man that accompanied her to ask the details as she had no idea (thus confirming her story that it was only her second day, bless her she really hadn't a clue) who told me the package for room and girl was 1. 3 mil.

OK a bit more than I'm usually prepared to pay but I went along, a more professional gentleman took over at this point and told me that on top of the 1. 3 I would also have to pay for ten lady drinks (pay for rather than actually receive I might add, I could have been doing with them in the room) I had already confirmed my choice at this time so while slightly miffed by this plus-plus, I agreed, he then confirmed the pricing when we checked in.

Anyway the session was great, as good a go as I got at Malio and whilst she was very inexperienced she was extremely willing to be coached and I got some services that more long-term girls might have refused.

However in the morning I couldn't help thinking about that ten lady-drink thing, was the papasan chancing his arm or is it the going rate, on top of the usual, to pay ten lady drinks to take a dancer off the floor? It's only fifty bucks or so but principal matters, I don't mind paying the girl but I object to being ripped off by the management.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman;1240596]I realize that hindsight is 20-20, but at this point you could have stopped the action, picked up the phone, and complained to the mamasan. The mamasan is a business person who understands that "customer is king" and will do what is necessary to fix the situation, which could include talking with the girl, taking the girl away so that you have only a 1-girl session, replacing the girl, etc.[/QUOTE]Maybe justified in a situation like that: but I'd always think twice about complaining to a Mamasan. I'd only do it if I thought the girl was being outright sneaky or dishonest or wilfully uncooperative. If it's just mediocre service, then I tend to, well, ride it out and store away the details for next time and make a different choice. Not sayin' anything against anyone who operates otherwise, but I don't want to get a girl in trouble just because she's untalented, only if she's being a blitch.

Hi Guys,

I'm going to Jakarta in March for the first time and staying at Sanno Hotel on the North end of town (Ancol) so I can also visit Alexis Hotel. I got a nice map of Jakarta. Are there other good places for P4P (particularly big boobs) in the North section? And how long / how much will it cost to taxi to Blok M?

Thanks for any replies.

[quote=d cups;1240869]hi guys, i'm going to jakarta in march for the first time and staying at sanno hotel on the north end of town (ancol) so i can also visit alexis hotel. i got a nice map of jakarta. are there other good places for p4p (particularly big boobs) in the north section? and how long / how much will it cost to taxi to blok m? thanks for ay replies.[/quote]there are quite a few places in the northern part of jakarta besides alexis.

i urge you to check out hotel travel, which has been discussed extensively on isg.

also, there are over a dozen lower-end places located in four side-by-side alleys off of jalan hayam wuruk, just south of the intersection with jalan mangga besar. the first alley contains kartika (soapy massage) , berlian and royal mas, the next alley contains tin-tin and several others, the third alley has some other mps and the fourth alley includes the entrance to the infamous stadium, which has an mp on the 3rd floor and a night club on the 4th floor that runs 24 hours a day over the weekend.

hotel malioboro is located less than a km south of stadium, right on the main street and busline, and has also been written about extensively. it's a higher-end mp, similar to alexis.

there are many other places located on or just off of jalan mangga besar, including oasis and others, and other mps rep001tered around the north / central part of town.

another option is the kelapa gading neighborhood, which is northeast from where you are. there's a clump of 4-5 medium-to-high-end mps located here, all on the same side street. i went there a few times in 2007 and wrote several posts about my visits here on isg, but never made it back, primarily because it took over an hour by taxi each way from where i worked (near plaza indonesia) and where i lived (kuningan area). luckily for you, kelapa gading shouldn't be more than 10-15 minutes away from your hotel, depending on traffic of course.

the cost of a taxi from the north to blok m varies depending on traffic and how long you are actually in the cab, but should cost less than 50, 000 rupiah. an alternative for travel one way would be to take the transjakarta bus, line #1 starts up north in kota and runs straight down to blok m in 45 minutes or less, and is an interesting experience. note: this bus line shuts down around 10 pm.

a note on taxis: always try to take bluebird taxis, or express. most of the other taxi companies are not as reliable as these two.

good luck with your upcoming visit! and i look forward to reading your field reports, as well as your report on hotel sanno, which is relatively unknown.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman;1240910]And I look forward to reading your field reports, as well as your report on Hotel Sanno, which is relatively unknown.[/QUOTE]Don't hold your breath on that. Has supposedly traveled the world, including a one-month jaunt through Asia last year, without a single field report, pic or scrap of contribution. Endless juvenile posts about boobs as a well as daily spamming of the Asia threads don't count. Seniors should stop entertaining with replies.

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[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman;1240910]Good luck with your upcoming visit! And I look forward to reading your field reports, as well as your report on Hotel Sanno, which is relatively unknown.[/QUOTE]This hotel is known on tripadvisor: rated 147 out of 190 something hotels in Jakarta. Makes you wonder how bad the even lower rated ones are. How people can go to the other side of the world to stay in a place like this is one of those incomprehensible mysteries. Thanks MS for the info.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1241047]Fuck you, AR. Who the hell do you think you are? I don't have to defend myself for the likes of you, asshole. Congrats for making the ignore list.[/QUOTE]There's an ignore list? I never knew that it. It might be useful some time.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1241047]Fuck you, AR. Who the hell do you think you are? I don't have to defend myself for the likes of you, asshole. Congrats for making the ignore list.[/QUOTE]In this Indonesian thread we are not used to that kind of language. Besides, I know AR as someone who doesn't just write nonsense.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1241174]Besides, I know AR as someone who doesn't just write nonsense.[/QUOTE]Interesting the credibility this character "believes" he has earned with 1000+ non-contributing posts. Anyway, I don't feed monkeys as they always belch more dung.

Anyway, let's move onto some info. For those of you looking to spice up your action, I might recommend a total gem of an underwear shop with "uniforms" at Plaza Semanggi Ground Floor. Slender Boutique. Super selection and reasonable prices. A few years ago I went through a serious "dress up play" phase. Bought a huge assortment of uniform sets for my squeeze-cum-pimpette. Not only was she a sweet little model, but she brought me dozens of her teen friends who acted as models for pics and video. Sailor suit, Christmas helper, Leather Queen, Bad Police Officer, Naughty Devil, Innocent Teen Student, French Maid (complete with choker) , etc. Etc.

My all-time favorite, however, was the Pink Playboy Bunny kit, which she spiced up personally with an arousing white stocking set. I would only let my squeeze use this for my personal gratification. A few pics for illustration taken at Mulia and you can see why. Hehe. Sadly, when we broke off our relationship, she took all the uniforms with her. Cest la vie! Actually I am happier, because now I am not so distracted with dress up play. I just go straight for the vertical smile these days. Enjoy Jakarta, AsianRain

Hello, Menteng, maybe you don't know AR as well as you think. He sure doesn't know me and I resent his comments about me. Menteng, if you are curious why don't you do a search on me and come to your own conclusion. I have helped many ISGers. Mostly PM but also in the threads. No, I don't write long reports. I get to the point. No, I don't post that many photos (have to relearn how) but there are some nice ones in here. Yes, I ask about busty women a lot because that's what I like. Yes, I travel twice a year to Asia for a month at a time on business. Also spent three weeks in Europe last year on business and 10 days in Curacao on business. I have also lived in the Phiippines and Korea. It's all in those threads. Any questions? AR, I think you owe me an apology.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1241174]In this Indonesian thread we are not used to that kind of language. Besides, I know AR as someone who doesn't just write nonsense.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=D Cups;1241293]Again, fuck you, AR. If I am a monkey, you are monkey's ass. Only good for shitting bananas.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=D Cups;1241292]Hello, Menteng, maybe you don't know AR as well as you think. He sure doesn't know me and I resent his comments about me. Menteng, if you are curious why don't you do a search on me and come to your own conclusion. I have helped many ISGers. Mostly PM but also in the threads. No, I don't write long reports. I get to the point. No, I don't post that many photos (have to relearn how) but there are some nice ones in here. Yes, I ask about busty women a lot because that's what I like. Yes, I travel twice a year to Asia for a month at a time on business. Also spent three weeks in Europe last year on business and 10 days in Curacao on business. I have also lived in the Phiippines and Korea. It's all in those threads. Any questions? AR, I think you owe me an apology.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=D Cups;1241047]Fuck you, AR. Who the hell do you think you are? I don't have to defend myself for the likes of you, asshole. Congrats for making the ignore list.[/QUOTE]I agree with Menteng, you are welcome to be as angry as you want with AR, but most Indonesia board readers do not enjoy your language. Please refrain in the future!

Not everyone likes AR or agrees with him, but that's life. If you don't like him, just ignore him and his posts. No need to sling mud here.

D Cups, I have nothing against you. In fact, I have responded to several of your inquiries in the past. You like well endowed women and you want to know where to find them. It is your thing. I get that, but really, enough with the fucking expletives. It is way over the top. The only effective way to silence your critics and to put it all to rest is with one decent detailed trip report along with a few pictures of big girls you banged. What is the problem? Just post an informative trip report of your experiences, man. Where you found your girls, who you shagged, how much you paid, how your girls performed and would you do them again. Call it payback for all the usefull information you have received from forum members over a long period of time. I would really like to read about some of your exploits. I am sure you have a lot to write about. But, at this point, to not post a report really calls your character into question and your over the top personal attacks on AR are uncalled for unless there was something to the original criticism.

[QUOTE=Asian Rain; 1241291]Interesting the credibility this character "believes" he has earned with 1000+ non-contributing posts. Anyway, I don't feed monkeys as they always belch more dung.

My all-time favorite, however, was the Pink Playboy Bunny kit, which she spiced up personally with an arousing white stocking set. I would only let my squeeze use this for my personal gratification. A few pics for illustration taken at Mulia and you can see why. Hehe. Sadly, when we broke off our relationship, she took all the uniforms with her. Cest la vie! Actually I am happier, because now I am not so distracted with dress up play. I just go straight for the vertical smile these days. Enjoy Jakarta, AsianRain[/QUOTE]I see you love "decorated girls" mmm I'm for maids. But's a matter of taste. And I'm very envious of your little Bunny!

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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1241322]The only effective way to silence your critics and to put it all to rest is with one decent detailed trip report along with a few pictures of big girls you banged.

Just post an informative trip report of your experiences, man.

But, at this point, to not post a report really calls your character into question and your over the top personal attacks on AR are uncalled for unless there was something to the original criticism.[/QUOTE]

Well said.

AR - as usual nice pix!

[QUOTE=Asian Rain;1241291]Interesting the credibility this character "believes" he has earned with 1000+ non-contributing posts. Anyway, I don't feed monkeys as they always belch more dung.[/QUOTE]I've come to the conclusion that the member in question is harmless but none too bright, which is why he invariably resorts to invective when derided. He has actually posted some good pics from Thailand and Vietnam (before he 'forgot' how). This included one memorable photo from Thailand when, presumably not knowing how to disguise his identity, he posted a self portrait of himself with one of his big titted squeezes. Don't worry D Cup, I've replicated the incriminating photo but, this time, I have disguised your ID.

[QUOTE=Asian Rain;1241291]My all-time favorite, however, was the Pink Playboy Bunny kit, which she spiced up personally with an arousing white stocking set. I would only let my squeeze use this for my personal gratification. A few pics for illustration taken at Mulia and you can see why. Hehe. Sadly, when we broke off our relationship, she took all the uniforms with her. Cest la vie! Actually I am happier, because now I am not so distracted with dress up play. I just go straight for the vertical smile these days. Enjoy Jakarta, AsianRain[/QUOTE]Very nice uni on a lovely, tight bodied spinner. The ultimate in role playing fantasies has to be when the girls everyday uniform is utilized in the bedroom. I once persuaded my 19 year old high school returnee gf to bring her uniform along to a play session. The result was a bunch of very naughty photos, a virtually unshowable but highly erotic vid and a totally drained nut sack. Whew, I get shivers up my spine just thinking about that day. I've screwed a couple of DIA nurses since them but have been so far unsuccessful in setting up a similar scenario involving a real nurse and a bed bath that got out of hand:D. Pity, as the nursing uniform worn in The Philippines is chaste but ever so sexy.

Here she is showing off her cute, little 'vertical smile'.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1241430]I've come to the conclusion that the member in question is harmless but none too bright, which is why he invariably resorts to invective when derided. He has actually posted some good pics from Thailand and Vietnam (before he 'forgot' how). This included one memorable photo from Thailand when, presumably not knowing how to disguise his identity, he posted a self portrait of himself with one of his big titted squeezes. Don't worry D Cup, I've replicated the incriminating photo but, this time, I have disguised your I'd.

Very nice uni on a lovely, tight bodied spinner. The ultimate in role playing fantasies has to be when the girls everyday uniform is utilized in the bedroom. I once persuaded my 19 year old high school returnee gf to bring her uniform along to a play session. The result was a bunch of very naughty photos, a virtually unshowable but highly erotic vid and a totally drained nut sack. Whew, I get shivers up my spine just thinking about that day. I've screwed a couple of DIA nurses since them but have been so far unsuccessful in setting up a similar scenario involving a real nurse and a bed bath that got out of hand. Pity, as the nursing uniform worn in The Philippines is chaste but ever so sexy.

Here she is showing off her cute, little 'vertical smile'.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the "vertical smile" under the uni skirt. Couple of months ago in Phils, a (low milage) uni student showed up at my hotel for an afternoon session. Twas a pleasure removing her plaid skirt and doing the deed. Couple of days later she texted me saying I'd given her "big vagina" disease and could I get medicine for it! . Til this day she won't see me in fear of "big vagina". LOL

Monger memories are made of this. LOL

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1241430]I have disguised your ID.[/QUOTE]Probably the best photo I have ever seen on ISG. The disguise is masterful and color coordinated with the shirt.

Thanks, CS. I never claimed to be good at technology but don't confuse that with brilliance in other areas. For my other critics, I'll try to find time this weekend or next to post some pics from last July at FKK Samya in Cologne, Germany as well as my trip in November to Manila, Siem Reap, Chiang Mai, Bangkok and a milk maiden from Dumaguete. I think I did post some in Curacao from last March. Look in that thread if you want. I don't think I have any good pics from HCM this time but I'll look again. Unlike many of you who have already built your nest egg I still have to work A LOT a few more years!

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1241430]I've come to the conclusion that the member in question is harmless but none too bright, which is why he invariably resorts to invective when derided. He has actually posted some good pics from Thailand and Vietnam (before he 'forgot' how). This included one memorable photo from Thailand when, presumably not knowing how to disguise his identity, he posted a self portrait of himself with one of his big titted squeezes. Don't worry D Cup, I've replicated the incriminating photo but, this time, I have disguised your I'd.

Very nice uni on a lovely, tight bodied spinner. The ultimate in role playing fantasies has to be when the girls everyday uniform is utilized in the bedroom. I once persuaded my 19 year old high school returnee gf to bring her uniform along to a play session. The result was a bunch of very naughty photos, a virtually unshowable but highly erotic vid and a totally drained nut sack. Whew, I get shivers up my spine just thinking about that day. I've screwed a couple of DIA nurses since them but have been so far unsuccessful in setting up a similar scenario involving a real nurse and a bed bath that got out of hand. Pity, as the nursing uniform worn in The Philippines is chaste but ever so sexy.

Here she is showing off her cute, little 'vertical smile'.[/QUOTE]

OK in all the pointless brouhaha about D Cups my rather plaintive request for info on Malioboro seems to have been missed, can we drop that issue and could someone advise me whether it is indeed common practice to add ten lady drinks to the already pricy bill if you want to take a dancer off the floor?

[QUOTE=D Cups;1241558].... post some pics from last July at FKK Samya in Cologne, Germany....[/QUOTE]I doubt it somehow but you will be my superhero if you do. Any pics of Kia? On my last visit in September, she entered my personal top 5 of the most beautiful birds I have shagged. She is a supermodel quality stunner.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1241678]OK in all the pointless brouhaha about D Cups my rather plaintive request for info on Malioboro seems to have been missed, can we drop that issue and could someone advise me whether it is indeed common practice to add ten lady drinks to the already pricy bill if you want to take a dancer off the floor?[/QUOTE]I took a dancer once. I had bought her 2 lady drinks ("tequila" shots). Then had to pay 1. 2 million for her. So total was 1. 3 million. I'm not sure if that is the going rate or not, but that's what they told me.

Sorry, no, just a mega-busty Romanian who I managed to snap some photos with a smuggled camera, CS.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1241690]I doubt it somehow but you will be my superhero if you do. Any pics of Kia? On my last visit in September, she entered my personal top 5 of the most beautiful birds I have shagged. She is a supermodel quality stunner.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1241724]I took a dancer once. I had bought her 2 lady drinks ("tequila" shots). Then had to pay 1. 2 million for her. So total was 1. 3 million. I'm not sure if that is the going rate or not, but that's what they told me.[/QUOTE]Thank you Smoothy, I knew you'd be able to shed some light on this. I'd already racked up (no pun intended) two lady drinks and that was included in the bill, as was the 1. 3 mil I was originally quoted to take the girl to a room, as I was on the way to the room one of the papasans, the oily characters in the shiny black suits, told me I also had to pay for ten lady drinks thus making the total 1. 8. I hasten to add no drinks were actually produced, the way he clarified with me twice whether I understood the ten drinks would be added made me suspect something but I wasn't in the mood to argue.

So as I surmised the bastard ripped me off.

Anyway, let's move onto some info. For those of you looking to spice up your action, I might recommend a total gem of an underwear shop with "uniforms" at Plaza Semanggi Ground Floor. Slender Boutique. Super selection and reasonable prices. A few years ago I went through a serious "dress up play" phase. Bought a huge assortment of uniform sets for my squeeze-cum-pimpette. Not only was she a sweet little model, but she brought me dozens of her teen friends who acted as models for pics and video. Sailor suit, Christmas helper, Leather Queen, Bad Police Officer, Naughty Devil, Innocent Teen Student, French Maid (complete with choker) , etc. Etc.

Thanks for the information. I've looked all over Jakarta for some "clothes" like this and have come up short. There is a high end place in Grand Indo. La Senza I think is the name. I also heard about another high end place at Pacific Place, can't remember the name right now. Haven't had much luck finding your run of the mill Frederick's of Hollywood style. I for sure haven't found any place where you can buy toys. Only through the mail. I do like special clothes and fun toys.

i promised earlier a comparison of these establishments, here it is for everyone to comment and react to. this is base on 4 visits and 9 different girls at malioboro, and 6 visits to illigals with 15 girls. i may add that there is a lot being said and written about malioboro, which is very much in the jakarta landscape; but illigals doesn't seem to be so highly regarded. basically it's not regarded at all, and i feel it deserves to. there is some subjectivity in my assessment, i welcome different or dissenting views.

1. surroundings.

access to malioboro is easy, a bit too easy since the entrance is right on the avenue. not the most discreet. besides, the parking is often full, so that you'd have to park nearby and walk up to the front entrance. going out they would ask for a passing taxi to stop while you wait at the entrance or outside.

access to illigals spa is either through the back of the building, ground floor (the front is starbucks and domino pizza) , there you go through the security check for the club. i suppose my condoms show very well on the x-ray machine; i was once asked what was the liquids in my bag: shower gel and shampoo, i don't like to come back home smelling theirs. or you get in directly through the parking building at the back, where there always is enough room. going out you may ask them to call a taxi from the yellow cabs parked in the premises, much more comfortable.

malioboro 1, illigals 2

2. entrance.

malioboro's front desk is a bunch of smiling ladies and tattoed muscle. coming in they would hand over a bracelet with a key (a metal key). then you'd turn right, pass a door, turn left, right again into the locker room, then you follow the same path out but stop 2 yards before the door and take the stairs up, or go ahead to the bathroom. did i loose you? well i'm still regularly lost, i even once came out from the rooms upstairs, wearing the standard shorts, kimono and slippers, took the lift down to lantai 1 and ended up at the front desk.

illigals front desk is a bunch of smiling ladies and sometime older, smiling muscle. they hand over an electronic key, you would turn right from the desk into the way to the locker room, and from there there is only one door into the lounge.

malioboro 0, illigals 1.

3. lounge.

malioboro has two lounges. on the right hand side are supposedly the high-end girls, in a well-lit place divided into two levels. there is a stage at the middle of the upper level, where so far i never saw anything happening, but i guess i had the timing wrong. you don't see much of what's happening or who happens to be at the other level. you may have a glimpse at the line-ups ordered by other patrons, though. but when you ask for a line up the girls are in plain light.

the other lounge, on the left-hand side, is the not so high-end, cheaper girls. it's smokey, more noisy and darker, but it's a corridor shaped room so you don't see much of the girls untill they're brought to you. besides, once you have been in that second lounge (at the latest, i may say) you realize that the high-end girls are not so much better. i'll get more into the girls in part 2. once you have a deal the girls would escort you out of the lounge, by the very busy and well lit stairs.

illigals has one lounge, with u-shaped sofas for the girls and others for the clients. it doesn't take much effort to have a look at who is there waiting for your patronage. the light is scarcer, so more discretion also means a bit less to see in a line up, but frankly i believe they have the right balance there. in the middle of the lounge is a stage with the bubble bath etc, and this is also where they have a live show every hour starting 6. 30 pm. this place is darker, you'd see enough of the dancers but i think it's not enough for a proper line up. once you have a deal the girls would escort you to the room upstairs through a corridor, the stairs being at the back, so you don't meet that many people on the way.

malioboro 1 (well-lit. too well lit) illigals 2 (space planning is more handy)

4. rooms.

malioboro has basically two sorts of rooms, you don't have a choice. some are tiny hotel rooms, with the bath behind a wall, a decent-sized tv set (usual channels plus one celebrating malioboro with gorgeous girls that i never ever saw there). beds are ok, sheets are ok, bathrooms are a bit run-down, light may be scarce. some other rooms are treatment rooms (remember: they are therapist giving you a massage) , with a bed on some sort of stage, an open shower (not so practical) , i twice had a room where the shower was glass-walled. there is no such thing as a mirror (in some rooms a small one next to the sink). these are well lit, unless the girls switch off most lights, which usually they try (and sometimes they have reason for that).

illigals is much newer. all rooms are more or less the same, on the ground floor (massages) or upstairs (kinky business, though all rooms have a sign on the door saying "dilarang berbuat asusila", meaning "behave"). they are large hotel bedrooms, with a large glass-walled bathroom and more secluded toilets, a large tv set (usual channels plus porn on channel 69). the style is a bit of modern marie antoinette (maybe they hired the same decorator as hotel indonesia, if you need a point of comparison) , it's all clean and working well. the light is a bit scarce to my taste, but there is a mirror around the tv in front of you, and another one where you'd store your things, clothes etc. with a little bit of organization you can usually enjoy the show.

malioboro 0 illigals 2.

5. accounting.

on the way out you have to pay for your deeds. illigals accepts all majors credit cards and cash. i once had a problem with one of my cards, but when i took the control of their machine it went through (yes, pakai pin means use the pin, if you don't the damn thing won't work, girl). they give you one bill with drinks, another with the rest, and a recap. this is all easy to read, and hop you pay (remember: smiling muscle is there, plus you still need to walk up to the lift, so you need your legs and all of your bones intact). if you pay by credit card the billing is quite discreet. i once had my bank calling to check whether my card had been misused, and they could find out much from the info on the card billing. i tried back-tracking it for fun, apart from an address nothing pops up.

malioboro also takes major credit cards, i had the same issue with the accounting girl (wearing a trainee badge) not knowing how to handle a credit card, and shying away from asking, which was the wrong reaction. they give you one detailed bill with all non f and b on it (including the precise times of booking, with mistakes sometimes: i don't believe i shagged therapist ckmdl001 (for cionkok model 001, see my field report earlier) one minute only). but they print another bill on a different machine, which is the complement to the real price; so you have to figure out that 200. 000 adds up with the 150. 000 on the official bill to get your girl at 350. 000; and the 1. 300. 000 adds up with the 450. 000 of another girl, and 39. 000 would be your drink; and these 6. 000 i have no idea. this may be more discreet if your pembantu or your wife finds it, but if she finds the other bill she'd find out anyway ("paket sandwich" from malioboro is quite a hint). however the name appearing on your credit card bill is quite discreet.

malioboro 0, illigals 1.

so far the score is malioboro 2, illigals 8.

[quote=gondangdia guy; 1244743]i promised earlier a comparison of these establishments, here it is for everyone to comment and react to. this is base on 4 visits and 9 different girls at malioboro, and 6 visits to illigals with 15 girls. i may add that there is a lot being said and written about malioboro, which is very much in the jakarta landscape; but illigals doesn't seem to be so highly regarded. basically it's not regarded at all, and i feel it deserves to. there is some subjectivity in my assessment, i welcome different or dissenting views.

1. surroundings.

access to malioboro is easy, a bit too easy since the entrance is right on the avenue. not the most discreet. besides, the parking is often full, so that you'd have to park nearby and walk up to the front entrance. going out they would ask for a passing taxi to stop while you wait at the entrance or outside.

access to illigals spa is either through the back of the building, ground floor (the front is starbucks and domino pizza) , there you go through the security check for the club. i suppose my condoms show very well on the x-ray machine; i was once asked what was the liquids in my bag: shower gel and shampoo, i don't like to come back home smelling theirs. or you get in directly through the parking building at the back, where there always is enough room. going out you may ask them to call a taxi from the yellow cabs parked in the premises, much more comfortable.

malioboro 1, illigals 2

2. entrance.

malioboro's front desk is a bunch of smiling ladies and tattoed muscle. coming in they would hand over a bracelet with a key (a metal key). then you'd turn right, pass a door, turn left, right again into the locker room, then you follow the same path out but stop 2 yards before the door and take the stairs up, or go ahead to the bathroom. did i loose you? well i'm still regularly lost, i even once came out from the rooms upstairs, wearing the standard shorts, kimono and slippers, took the lift down to lantai 1 and ended up at the front desk.

illigals front desk is a bunch of smiling ladies and sometime older, smiling muscle. they hand over an electronic key, you would turn right from the desk into the way to the locker room, and from there there is only one door into the lounge.

malioboro 0, illigals 1.

3. lounge.

malioboro has two lounges. on the right hand side are supposedly the high-end girls, in a well-lit place divided into two levels. there is a stage at the middle of the upper level, where so far i never saw anything happening, but i guess i had the timing wrong. you don't see much of what's happening or who happens to be at the other level. you may have a glimpse at the line-ups ordered by other patrons, though. but when you ask for a line up the girls are in plain light.

the other lounge, on the left-hand side, is the not so high-end, cheaper girls. it's smokey, more noisy and darker, but it's a corridor shaped room so you don't see much of the girls untill they're brought to you. besides, once you have been in that second lounge (at the latest, i may say) you realize that the high-end girls are not so much better. i'll get more into the girls in part 2. once you have a deal the girls would escort you out of the lounge, by the very busy and well lit stairs.

illigals has one lounge, with u-shaped sofas for the girls and others for the clients. it doesn't take much effort to have a look at who is there waiting for your patronage. the light is scarcer, so more discretion also means a bit less to see in a line up, but frankly i believe they have the right balance there. in the middle of the lounge is a stage with the bubble bath etc, and this is also where they have a live show every hour starting 6. 30 pm. this place is darker, you'd see enough of the dancers but i think it's not enough for a proper line up. once you have a deal the girls would escort you to the room upstairs through a corridor, the stairs being at the back, so you don't meet that many people on the way.

malioboro 1 (well-lit. too well lit) illigals 2 (space planning is more handy)

4. rooms.

malioboro has basically two sorts of rooms, you don't have a choice. some are tiny hotel rooms, with the bath behind a wall, a decent-sized tv set (usual channels plus one celebrating malioboro with gorgeous girls that i never ever saw there). beds are ok, sheets are ok, bathrooms are a bit run-down, light may be scarce. some other rooms are treatment rooms (remember: they are therapist giving you a massage) , with a bed on some sort of stage, an open shower (not so practical) , i twice had a room where the shower was glass-walled. there is no such thing as a mirror (in some rooms a small one next to the sink). these are well lit, unless the girls switch off most lights, which usually they try (and sometimes they have reason for that).

illigals is much newer. all rooms are more or less the same, on the ground floor (massages) or upstairs (kinky business, though all rooms have a sign on the door saying "dilarang berbuat asusila", meaning "behave"). they are large hotel bedrooms, with a large glass-walled bathroom and more secluded toilets, a large tv set (usual channels plus porn on channel 69). the style is a bit of modern marie antoinette (maybe they hired the same decorator as hotel indonesia, if you need a point of comparison) , it's all clean and working well. the light is a bit scarce to my taste, but there is a mirror around the tv in front of you, and another one where you'd store your things, clothes etc. with a little bit of organization you can usually enjoy the show.

malioboro 0 illigals 2.

5. accounting.

on the way out you have to pay for your deeds. illigals accepts all majors credit cards and cash. i once had a problem with one of my cards, but when i took the control of their machine it went through (yes, pakai pin means use the pin, if you don't the damn thing won't work, girl). they give you one bill with drinks, another with the rest, and a recap. this is all easy to read, and hop you pay (remember: smiling muscle is there, plus you still need to walk up to the lift, so you need your legs and all of your bones intact). if you pay by credit card the billing is quite discreet. i once had my bank calling to check whether my card had been misused, and they could find out much from the info on the card billing. i tried back-tracking it for fun, apart from an address nothing pops up.

malioboro also takes major credit cards, i had the same issue with the accounting girl (wearing a trainee badge) not knowing how to handle a credit card, and shying away from asking, which was the wrong reaction. they give you one detailed bill with all non f and b on it (including the precise times of booking, with mistakes sometimes: i don't believe i shagged therapist ckmdl001 (for cionkok model 001, see my field report earlier) one minute only). but they print another bill on a different machine, which is the complement to the real price; so you have to figure out that 200. 000 adds up with the 150. 000 on the official bill to get your girl at 350. 000; and the 1. 300. 000 adds up with the 450. 000 of another girl, and 39. 000 would be your drink; and these 6. 000 i have no idea. this may be more discreet if your pembantu or your wife finds it, but if she finds the other bill she'd find out anyway ("paket sandwich" from malioboro is quite a hint). however the name appearing on your credit card bill is quite discreet.

malioboro 0, illigals 1.

so far the score is malioboro 2, illigals 8.[/quote]excellent report, thanks for your analysis. two polite comments:

re #3. i have no problem with the good lighting at malioboro. what's to hide? everyone knows what's up here.

re #5. i have also experienced minor errors and inconsistencies with the pricing at malioboro, unfortunately one has to read the bill carefully before paying here.

also, you are a brave soul to use a credit card at either place, i've always payed in cash at malioboro and the other mps (have never been to illigals), why leave a paper trail and risk identity theft?

[QUOTE=Gondangdia Guy;1244743]I promised earlier a comparison of these establishments, here it is for everyone to comment and react to.[/QUOTE]Good information. Really hope to be able to stay longer on next Jakarta visit, so can see more places, these, others.

For practical type things: how's the room temperature, good AC situation? ; how many girls at once can fit reasonably comfortable with you in these rooms / on these beds? And, what time of day. Weekday. Do you think is ideal hour to visit, if you could say.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman;1245108]Also, you are a brave soul to use a credit card at either place, I've always payed in cash at Malioboro and the other MPs (have never been to Illigals), why leave a paper trail and risk identity theft?[/QUOTE]When you're taking one of the import spinners you definitely need your card with you. That is a lot of cash to carry in your wallet! Besides, there is no risk in paper trail as they use a non-suspicious name in their billing. Anyway, have used my card numerous times at Malioboro and even at more seedy places like PangJay and never had any problems.

An article in the Jakarta Post this morning:

"We've blocked 1m porn sites, govt claims"

[url]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/02/06/we-ve-blocked-1m-porn-sites-govt-claims.html[/url]

Wonder if they'll try to block ISG? I know that there are work-arounds, but anyone had any difficulties accessing the site from within Indonesia?

thanks for the comments, here comes part 2. i hope this sparks some debate and reactions too.

1. massage.

malioboro offers several types of massages, panda meaning chinese therapist, and local meaning, well, local. i have tried two of them. one was a legit massage, i chose four hands and had one decent but chubby girl (a beginner) , and one huge, energetic lady. four hands massage is obviously not a usual practice there. at some point they offered a hj, which i declined, since i had been drained by a very nice thai girl before, and was about to be further taken care of by two girls. the second started as a legit massage, but the crazy chinese girl offered more, actually she offered everything but anal for, if i remember well. 700k. she was fun and active, nice ar by the way, and actually decent massage too. you don't choose the girl, you don't know what you're up for, which to me is a part of the fun; and i guess some girls don't offer much because they know that you can shag a colleague of theirs for not too much.

illigals offers massages too. you don't choose the girl but you may say if you want petite or not, and you may say which one you've already tried if you want some diversity, or not. i tried 3 therapists on one-to-one, and twice 4-hands which has been a promo recently. all were at least decent legit massages too. all girls offered extras, once bj, all others fj or bj and fj. some are cute or ok, but i guess that the not so stunning would be therapists instead of fl or wg. 4-hands doesn't mean a real threesome, but i must say that i felt always treated well. i reported earlier on the threesome aspect of this ("threesome comparative study (2)" and " (still) in search of the perfect threesome") if anyone feels like details.

malioboro 1 (decent massages, and sometimes extras) , illigals 2 (decent massages, and always extras).

2. mama-san and papa-san.

malioboro is a large place, so many crews operate under the lead of several mamasan and papasan. usually two of them come to you, one is doing imports and the other one is doing locals. but they have their own series of girls, and you need to catch the attention of the right mamasan if you see a team of girls you'd be interested in. they don't care about hooking up other girls for you, and my feeling is that they don't know that much about their girls. i had once a girl supposed to be great, well she spend several minutes massaging her toes (well hellooo, i'm sorry if i disturb you in this fascinating activity, do you mind, like, fucking?) and was way below average in bed, though she had some (two) of the most amazing beautiful breasts. i also had recently an issue with a girl who ended the whole experience crying: this was her first time, she didn't feel up for the threesome, and i believe it's the mamasan's role to know that (see "threesome comparative study (6)").

illigals is a smaller place with usually one mamasan for the imported girls and one for the local girls. then some younger mama-san (some are quite attractive too i may say) stay around the sofas, the middle-stage and one would accompany the strippers-lapdancers. outside of the stage things tend to be quite smooth. as a matter of fact i also had a first-day-on-the-job girl on a threesome, and it went much better, both girls talked to each other and the senior one gave advice. on the stage it is much darker, so that sometimes you can wait some time to get the attention of a mama-san, have a line-up or ask if you can book a dancer (a few do it, many don't and it's a bit of a pity).

malioboro 1, illigals 1, 5 (should be 2 but the attention-catching is an issue)

3. choice of girls.

malioboro really has much choice. they may be less selective, i don't know how quickly they renew the girls, and the bule girls tend to stay longer. i didn't see so many gems, and sometimes i saw them in a corridor or at the other end of the room and couldn't book them, but the choice is really large, in the 50's every time i went.

illigals has about 10 girls among locals and 10 among imported girls, plus the therapists (from the lists i saw there are about 20 of them, maybe not all of them on duty at the same time) and the dancers (about two shifts of 4-5, but they don't work all evenings, so over a we you may see about 20 dancers). there is so renewing there, a bit slower in the imported section, and the imports are from china only, so far.

malioboro 3, illigals 1, 5.

4. prices.

i mentioned earlier that the billing at malioboro is a pain in the neck. the prices should be lower in the local, lower-end section, and higher in the other section. but it seems that some of the lower-end section end up in the other section, so that quality and prices would vary quite a lot. a recent visit was between 350k for really average girls (i think i had a cut in the price because i took two) to 2 millions for a not so amazing chinese model. i believe the price range is too varied and so is the quality, so i'd rather pay a bit more that 350k and always have a nice experience.

illigals charges in a smaller range. dancers are now 1, 5jt (if i remember well they were 1, 2 some weeks ago) , fl are 815k (they used to be around 700k).

malioboro 1 (cheap for cheap quality and overpriced at the other end) , illigals 1 (not cheap but consistent prices and quality).

part 3 will deal with quality, and an attempt to statistical considerations on the matter.

[QUOTE=Golfinho; 1245112]Good information. Really hope to be able to stay longer on next Jakarta visit, so can see more places, these, others.

For practical type things: how's the room temperature, good AC situation? ; how many girls at once can fit reasonably comfortable with you in these rooms / on these beds? And, what time of day. Weekday. Do you think is ideal hour to visit, if you could say.[/QUOTE]I can answer some of this only. The room temperature is really up to you. The girls usually love to freeze, I usually don't, so I try and save the environment and keep AC at a minimum. Both Illigals and Malioboro have AC in the rooms, of course.

I would think that at Illigals 3 girls would easily fit on the bed with you (I take it that you're not an 8-ft 300 lbs giant, are you?) , and more in the room (waiting for their turn while playing cards?). At Malioboro it really depends on the type of room you have, but I feel 3 girls would be a maximum in the bed and in most of the rooms.

I haven't visited these places at very different hours, and usually on weekdays I work (to earn the money I spend with them). At Fortune a girl told me that weekdays are extremely busy because of the post-work karaoke (sometimes ending in a bed) , I suppose this may be the case at the two establishments I review here. As far as time is concerned, I believe Illigals is more fun from 6. 30 pm when the show starts, though sadly recently the girls stopped stripping, and the one in the cage (usually ending totally naked) would keep everything on. Both places have more girls starting to work at about 8pm, but there are also more clients arriving at that time (basic economic laws, really).

Maybe fellow forum members can shed more light on this.

[QUOTE=Gondangdia Guy;1245289]I haven't visited these places at very different hours,At Fortune a girl told me that weekdays are extremely busy because of the post-work karaoke (sometimes ending in a bed) , I suppose this may be the case at the two establishments I review here. As far as time is concerned, I believe Illigals is more fun from 6. 30 pm when the show starts.[/QUOTE]Take it then that non-weekdays, non-working hours are your visiting times. For comparison, at Classic hotel it is fairly slack Saturday nights, with other days most busy from 8 and until midnight. Arriving near 6, relaxing a bit and appraising inventory gives you time to makes several selections before the crowd (working folk earning money to spend with them, I guess) arrive. Would be nice to cover a couple places a day, but for the traffic

Never really understood why import girls and 'high-class' locals at places like Malioboro, Classic Bunker, Sun City and Alexis are insisting on using a condom for a blowjob. Do they think their teeth are made out of gold or something? I've offered tips up to 300, 000 just to see and they still wouldn't accept. What's funny is I took one of the Indo dancers from Malioboro last year who wouldn't give a BBBJ no matter what. Just today, I found the same girl at Terminal Classic today and she gave a BBBJ without even asking.

After sometime, finally went to Classic again. Prefer white girls, but the stock wasn't good enough. Anyway someone must be choosed, so after spoken to mami, I go to one Usbek girl. Barely can not speak English, but try to make a conversation, even with some body languages.

Name : Milli (Usbek)

Face : 6, 5

Body : 6 after chlotes off, looks like she just have a birth (belly).

BJ : 5 Damn, now it's difficult to get a BBBJ from imports. Should I go to germany just to get BBBJ.

FJ : 7 multiples position, but sorry. Loose ****.

Damage : 1, 67 million for 1, 5 hours

On the way out, I saw her friend, sexier but with dark hair. Maybe next time.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1246012]Never really understood why import girls and 'high-class' locals at places like Malioboro, Classic Bunker, Sun City and Alexis are insisting on using a condom for a blowjob. Do they think their teeth are made out of gold or something? I've offered tips up to 300, 000 just to see and they still wouldn't accept. What's funny is I took one of the Indo dancers from Malioboro last year who wouldn't give a BBBJ no matter what. Just today, I found the same girl at Terminal Classic today and she gave a BBBJ without even asking.[/QUOTE]May be she has been downgraded due to the tear and ware.

Haha.

JB

[QUOTE=Egy Monger; 1246012]. Wouldn't give a BBBJ no matter what.

Hi Egy. I am sorry to hear that. I was planning on going to Alexis but don't like it covered for BJ (only for intercourse). Can you recommend any other places nearby with busty girls? I am still emailing Putri / Kim but nothing set up yet. Thanks for the referral!

D Cups.

Spannning the globe for the world's largest bangable boobs!

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1245194]An article in the Jakarta Post this morning:

"We've blocked 1m porn sites, govt claims"

[url]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/02/06/we-ve-blocked-1m-porn-sites-govt-claims.html[/url]

Wonder if they'll try to block ISG? I know that there are work-arounds, but anyone had any difficulties accessing the site from within Indonesia?[/QUOTE]In November I had no problems from my hotels.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1246374]In November I had no problems from my hotels.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]I am in Bali on Smart and no problem. Fast and complete.

Did a scan of mainstream porn sites (for research purposes only, the things I do for you guys) the type that provide links to "tubes", ie short clips, about one in ten of the links came up blocked by FastNet, this however is just the beginning presumably the enforcers can search just as easily as I can and can block even more. This being Indonesia I have no doubt that within a week we'll have a way around this.

I dare say when they get wind of ISG it will be blocked too.

On GG's report I'd like to add I have used my credit card on several occasions in Malioboro (it happens when you get carried away and the cash you brought doesn't suffice) , no problems whatsoever with scams and a completely innocuous reference comes up on the statement.

Regarding papa-sans and dancing girls don't get scammed like I did by having to pay for an additional ten lady drinks.

Folks,

I have been to CGK quite a few times and by luck ran into BATS. I am so surprised that there is no mention of BATS on this forum. I am a newbie here and am wondering if BATS doesn't rate high on fellow mongers lists?

[QUOTE=GaryR; 1246491]Folks,

I have been to CGK quite a few times and by luck ran into BATS. I am so surprised that there is no mention of BATS on this forum. I am a newbie here and am wondering if BATS doesn't rate high on fellow mongers lists?[/QUOTE]You have obviously not RTFF. Even if you would searched for BATS through the search mode, you would have got at least a few 100 reports. Please RTFF in detail.

Cheers

[QUOTE=GaryR; 1246491]Folks,

I have been to CGK quite a few times and by luck ran into BATS. I am so surprised that there is no mention of BATS on this forum. I am a newbie here and am wondering if BATS doesn't rate high on fellow mongers lists?[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php?searchid=401368[/url]

[QUOTE=GaryR;1246491]Folks, luck ran into BATS[/QUOTE]BATS is the kind of place where resident foreigners midage plus, with jobs in town with hard hats or pocket protectors run home, scrub, pull on their afterwork shirts, then beat it over to their favorite barstool to swap tales until they get buzzed enough to turn attention to the past their prime, high mileage hookers that stalk the place like scavengers around the water hole. Clueless tourists blowing into BATS and seeing this tableau on a once off might just think they've landed at shangri-la.

[QUOTE=GaryR; 1246491]Folks,

I have been to CGK quite a few times and by luck ran into BATS. I am so surprised that there is no mention of BATS on this forum. I am a newbie here and am wondering if BATS doesn't rate high on fellow mongers lists?[/QUOTE]This sounds like a joke! RTFF.

BATS has been discussed and reviewed lots of time, including by myself. Go back 4-5 pages!

BATS ain't cheap, but the girls are fun,

There are other cheaper places for fun.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1246671]BATS is the kind of place where resident foreigners midage plus, with jobs in town with hard hats or pocket protectors run home, scrub, pull on their afterwork shirts, then beat it over to their favorite barstool to swap tales until they get buzzed enough to turn attention to the past their prime, high mileage hookers that stalk the place like scavengers around the water hole. Clueless tourists blowing into BATS and seeing this tableau on a once off might just think they've landed at shangri-la.[/QUOTE]Golfinho, you should do Jalan Pelatehan next, I want to see if I see myself in your picture.

[QUOTE=GaryR;1246491]I am so surprised that there is no mention of BATS on this forum.[/QUOTE]I find this post hilarious. BATS has to have been mentioned 100's of times on this forum. It may not be mentioned as much recently because it's become a bit old hat. But BATS has been the #1 night spot for the casual expat visitor who doesn't know the city for at least the last 10 years. For anyone who is on their first trip to Jakarta, I will recommend BATS as the first place they check out. Not because it has the best looking girls or the best band, but because it's relatively tame and has lots of girls who can speak English.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1246671]BATS is the kind of place where resident foreigners midage plus, with jobs in town with hard hats or pocket protectors run home, scrub, pull on their afterwork shirts, then beat it over to their favorite barstool to swap tales until they get buzzed enough to turn attention to the past their prime, high mileage hookers that stalk the place like scavengers around the water hole. Clueless tourists blowing into BATS and seeing this tableau on a once off might just think they've landed at shangri-la.[/QUOTE]Ouch, nice summary.

I found myself in Mal Atrium, again."What am I doing in Mal Atrium, again?" I asked. Anyway, this time I learned where to go! Visit the locally owned donut shop franchise. You know the one I mean. The place is on! Sometimes there are couples sitting together, sharing a post-prandial donut before om-om passes some banknotes to the cewek. (The same cewek who, by the way, was looking at me over om-om's shoulder. Multi-tasking!). I also saw also another om-om walk in from the street directly to a cewek and started talking her up. Lanjutkan, om! There were some very large (but sexily dressed girls) , a few housewife types and a few sedikit-older-tapi-still-aok-by-me off-hours Top Gun types. Maybe 9 in total.

The donut shop is on because its cheap and you can linger and the man is not watching you. Why, there's even direct access to the street. Separately, I have also seen cewek with their boss negotiators in the KFC and the 77Teller and the DunkinD all looking at me. But not every time I visit. Sometimes.

Emboldened by this donut discovery, I shall return! Probably after 2 pm one day. If anyone can advise if the nearby Oasis Amir has transit rates, I would appreciate it. I found a list online that said Rp 250, 000 for six hours. I'm optimistic. I'd like to make a quick get-away.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman; 1240910]There are quite a few places in the Northern part of Jakarta besides Alexis.

Good luck with your upcoming visit! And I look forward to reading your field reports, as well as your report on Hotel Sanno, which is relatively unknown.[/QUOTE]Many thanks, MS. Sure, I'll post one sometime after I get back in April.

Asia Rain, are you man enough to apologize for calling me a liar? Or not?

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1248349]Many thanks, MS. Sure, I'll post one sometime after I get back in April.

Asia Rain, are you man enough to apologize for calling me a liar? Or not?[/QUOTE]Enjoy Jakarta, share some field reports and leave Asia Rain only. Peace!

[QUOTE=OmBule; 1248219]I found myself in Mal Atrium, again."What am I doing in Mal Atrium, again?" I asked. Anyway, this time I learned where to go! Visit the locally owned donut shop franchise. You know the one I mean. The place is on! Sometimes there are couples sitting together, sharing a post-prandial donut before om-om passes some banknotes to the cewek. (The same cewek who, by the way, was looking at me over om-om's shoulder. Multi-tasking!). I also saw also another om-om walk in from the street directly to a cewek and started talking her up. Lanjutkan, om! There were some very large (but sexily dressed girls) , a few housewife types and a few sedikit-older-tapi-still-aok-by-me off-hours Top Gun types. Maybe 9 in total.

The donut shop is on because its cheap and you can linger and the man is not watching you. Why, there's even direct access to the street. Separately, I have also seen cewek with their boss negotiators in the KFC and the 77Teller and the DunkinD all looking at me. But not every time I visit. Sometimes.

Emboldened by this donut discovery, I shall return! Probably after 2 pm one day. If anyone can advise if the nearby Oasis Amir has transit rates, I would appreciate it. I found a list online that said Rp 250, 000 for six hours. I'm optimistic. I'd like to make a quick get-away.[/QUOTE]What and where is this?

At either Illigals or Malioboro do they allow you to take the girls back to your hotel?

[QUOTE=Gondangdia Guy; 1244743]I promised earlier a comparison of these establishments, here it is for everyone to comment and react to. This is base on 4 visits and 9 different girls at Malioboro, and 6 visits to Illigals with 15 girls. I may add that there is a lot being said and written about Malioboro, which is very much in the Jakarta landscape; but Illigals doesn't seem to be so highly regarded. Basically it's not regarded at all, and I feel it deserves to. There is some subjectivity in my assessment, I welcome different or dissenting views...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GaryR;1248508]At either Illigals or Malioboro do they allow you to take the girls back to your hotel?[/QUOTE]At Malioboro I know for sure you can, price is 4 or 5 times the house price.

[QUOTE=GaryR;1248501]What and where is this?[/QUOTE]Atrium Mall, Senen, a shopping mall. My pembantu used to go there to pick up men on her day off.

[QUOTE=GaryR;1248508]At either Illigals or Malioboro do they allow you to take the girls back to your hotel?[/QUOTE]Of course you can if you have money. For overnight rate they will charge you 3 to 5 vouchers. How much, depend who you take, local or import girls.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1248570]Atrium Mall, Senen, a shopping mall. My pembantu used to go there to pick up men on her day off.[/QUOTE]So the girl you pick, maybe Gonzo's maid LOL.

OmBule, nice & funny FR you wrote. Yes, Atrium is a low class mall, so we won't find a 9 score woman here. Some foreigner looking for girls here, and because many from Arab countries tourists stay in hotel near atrium, you will find those men mongering here.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1248574]So the girl you pick, maybe Gonzo's maid LOL.[/QUOTE]What's wrong with that? My previous maid used to go there a lot as well to find short time sex customers. She was pretty hot and when she did venture down to blok m, she was one of the best girls on the blok.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1248574]So the girl you pick, maybe Gonzo's maid LOL.[/QUOTE]Maduranese. Quite hot, in a slightly dumpy kind of way. I never did her.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1248396]Enjoy Jakarta, share some field reports and leave Asia Rain only. Peace![/QUOTE]Thanks, T. Sure, I'll leave Asia Rain alone now and trust that he will not attempt to post any more foolish lies about me. Hell, I'd even buy him a beer if he fessed up, Peace out.

[QUOTE=OmBule;1248219]If anyone can advise if the nearby Oasis Amir has transit rates, I would appreciate it. I found a list online that said Rp 250, 000 for six hours. I'm optimistic. I'd like to make a quick get-away.[/QUOTE]It used to be anyway. Nice thing is that the girl you're going to be with does not have to face the reception. She can just turn left in the main hall and wait for you out of sight, near the elevators.

Being an Arab, I had an in-built craving for anal action which I so miss in my country, so I decided to venture to the Blok-M bars on this Friday night, where several members here have recently adviced it's possible to find backdoor action from one of the many freelancers. Although I ended up in bed with the singer of the band in Top Gun free-of-charge, none of the other girls who I chatted up with in My Bar and another bar whose name I don't remember (with bottles of alcohol throughout the walls) had the nerve to accept anal even for a very generous tip. The only one who would accept was a 48-year old-mother-of-two who was twice my age. So I guess times have changed since AsianRain's claim that Jakarta was the easiest place (for him) to find backdoor action in all of Asia.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1248858]Thanks, T. Sure, I'll leave Asia Rain alone now and trust that he will not attempt to post any more foolish lies about me. Hell, I'd even buy him a beer if he fessed up, Peace out.[/QUOTE]Then please act your age and also stop whining in the other threads, like the Thailand forum.

Grow up.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1249104]Then please act your age and also stop whining in the other threads, like the Thailand forum.

Grow up.[/QUOTE]The same can be said to you, KK. Stop antagonizing me.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1248846]Maduranese. Quite hot, in a slightly dumpy kind of way. I never did her.[/QUOTE]Wow, to bad you never did. Too dangerous for internal affair ya LOL. Legend has that many maduranese have empot ayam (their vagina can pump and squeze your dick).

[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1249186]Wow, to bad you never did. Too dangerous for internal affair ya LOL. Legend has that many maduranese have empot ayam (their vagina can pump and squeze your dick).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've heard of that, but never experienced it. A couple of years ago, a poster said he'd found it in a kota massage joint.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1249099]I ended up in bed with the singer of the band in Top Gun free-of-charge[/QUOTE]I'm jealous. If it's the girl I'm thinking of, I've wanted to sample a little poke in the whiskers with her for years now.

Folks,

I'll be hitting Jakarta in a month or so and, different from most of you, I won't be able to get out of the hotel, nor I'm planning to. So I'll need an outcall.

I've RTFF and, as usual, nobody recommends those services. I've had bad experiences myself in China, so I'm wondering if Jakarta would be same bad reputation.

I've came across "Lady Panache" (which some of you mentioned here) and also JAD. At JAD, when scrolling down, there are some really hot pics of models and ladies that work in fairs and exhibitions. If anyone could let me know whether those are legit or again another traditional scam, I'd appreciate it. Or if anyone had any experience with Lady Panache and could share, will be also great. If you don't want to post here, and if you are ok, you can PM me, please. I'm willing to take one (s) for the team in case you can point me somewhere "less bad".

Reports will follow, for sure (you can see I contribute quite regularly in other cities).

Thanks and cheers,

Sauro

[quote=hbengkok; 1248574]so the girl you pick, maybe gonzo's maid lol.

ombule, nice & funny fr you wrote. yes, atrium is a low class mall, so we won't find a 9 score woman here. some foreigner looking for girls here, and because many from arab countries tourists stay in hotel near atrium, you will find those men mongering here.[/quote]funny you should say that. my "friend" told me she hates atrium because the one time she went, she was followed by arab guys trying to ask her to go back to their room.

[quote=menteng;1249097]it used to be anyway. nice thing is that the girl you're going to be with does not have to face the reception. she can just turn left in the main hall and wait for you out of sight, near the elevators.[/quote]my mentor is always full of helpful insights;).

[quote=d cups;1249169]the same can be said to you, kk. stop antagonizing me.[/quote]you need to chill. it's rare that we find someone here so eager to antagonize other seniors. you have no one to blame but yourself as you clearly have some chip on your shoulder about ar.

[quote=egy monger;1249099]being an arab, i had an in-built craving for anal action which i so miss in my country, so i decided to venture to the blok-m bars on this friday night, where several members here have recently adviced it's possible to find backdoor action from one of the many freelancers. although i ended up in bed with the singer of the band in top gun free-of-charge, none of the other girls who i chatted up with in my bar and another bar whose name i don't remember (with bottles of alcohol throughout the walls) had the nerve to accept anal even for a very generous tip. the only one who would accept was a 48-year old-mother-of-two who was twice my age. so i guess times have changed since asianrain's claim that jakarta was the easiest place (for him) to find backdoor action in all of asia.[/quote]there is backdoor action available but i've only come across it of late with "civilians" (jad's term). then again they were sexually adventurous, open-minded and looking for fun. so maybe that's the formula? alternatively, you could look for girls in the arab bars. it has been a while since i took a peek in delilah or tiga kuda, but i would have thought there'd be someone who could accommodate your needs.

[quote=hbengkok;1249186]wow, to bad you never did. too dangerous for internal affair ya lol. legend has that many maduranese have empot ayam (their vagina can pump and squeze your dick).[/quote]not just maduranese. some of them are just naturally "gifted". first heard of it in '97 when my friend experienced it in a spa in ancol. since then, i've come across two girls (non-pros - including the girl who sat next to me in hard rock when you and jad were with me menteng:d) who were like that. considering the number of times i've been to jakarta, i'd have to say that they're very few and far between.

md ii

I once had a Madurese girlfriend and she was pretty good at it, it's alright for a laugh but the originality wears off quickly. The thing I have always wanted to be was a fly on the wall when Mommy decides to teach her daughters how it's done, that must be worth watching.

[QUOTE=Sauro07; 1249773]Folks,

I'll be hitting Jakarta in a month or so and, different from most of you, I won't be able to get out of the hotel, nor I'm planning to. So I'll need an outcall.

I've RTFF and, as usual, nobody recommends those services. I've had bad experiences myself in China, so I'm wondering if Jakarta would be same bad reputation.

I've came across "Lady Panache" (which some of you mentioned here) and also JAD. At JAD, when scrolling down, there are some really hot pics of models and ladies that work in fairs and exhibitions. If anyone could let me know whether those are legit or again another traditional scam, I'd appreciate it. Or if anyone had any experience with Lady Panache and could share, will be also great. If you don't want to post here, and if you are ok, you can PM me, please. I'm willing to take one (s) for the team in case you can point me somewhere "less bad".

Reports will follow, for sure (you can see I contribute quite regularly in other cities).

Thanks and cheers,

Sauro[/QUOTE]If you're prepared to pay the premium prices, quite a large number of the in-room house massage services are FS, even at the best five-star hotels. Particularly those, in fact.

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1249825]Funny you should say that. My "friend" told me she hates Atrium because the one time she went, she was followed by Arab guys trying to ask her to go back to their room.

MD II[/QUOTE]Hi MD II, how are you there, still cheonging?

Yes, maybe your "friend" doesn't comfortable with the way they approaching, not so polite and directly

By the way, anyway, busway let's rock the Jakarta mongering scene, whether you go for FL, WG or GF. Nowadays I prefer Classic, because it's a one shop shopping, depend on the door you enter, you can fuck a girl range from local 300 k to import 1. 700 k.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1249885]Nowadays I prefer Classic, because it's a one shop shopping, depend on the door you enter, you can fuck a girl range from local 300 k.[/QUOTE]It's 270k, not 300k. Still best deal in town, I think.

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1249825]Not just Maduranese. Some of them are just naturally "gifted". First heard of it in '97 when my friend experienced it in a spa in Ancol. Since then, I've come across two girls (non-pros. Including the girl who sat next to me in Hard Rock when you and JAD were with me Menteng.) who were like that. Considering the number of times I've been to Jakarta, I'd have to say that they're very few and far between.

MD II[/QUOTE]Oh yes, please rub the wound in with salt, pepper and, of course, sambal again! At that moment I realized: here's Casanova / Don Juan himself!

[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1249186]Wow, to bad you never did. Too dangerous for internal affair ya LOL. Legend has that many maduranese have empot ayam (their vagina can pump and squeze your dick).[/QUOTE]Not literally the correct forum, but the subject does not have its own thread, AFAIK.

In Utrecht, The Netherlands, there is a Thai girl, using the name Patty, working in one of the boats in the Zandpad red light district. She is an expert at pumping and squeezing her vagina, as I have many times enjoyed.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Sauro07; 1249773]I'll be hitting Jakarta in a month or so and, different from most of you, I won't be able to get out of the hotel, nor I'm planning to. So I'll need an outcall.

I've came across "Lady Panache" (which some of you mentioned here) and also JAD. At JAD, when scrolling down, there are some really hot pics of models and ladies that work in fairs and exhibitions. If anyone could let me know whether those are legit or again another traditional scam, I'd appreciate it. Or if anyone had any experience with Lady Panache and could share, will be also great. If you don't want to post here, and if you are ok, you can PM me, please. I'm willing to take one (s) for the team in case you can point me somewhere "less bad".[/QUOTE]"Lady Panache" has been the top-ranked escort on ([url]www.sexyescortads.com[/url]) for a while now. She has generally good reviews, but she is a bit too old for my taste. My squeeze (see the bunny girl pics posted last month) used to be a top-ranked girl on SEA before she decided to go legit, so I have watched the providers on this site for over 4 years. There are a lot of choices on SEA, so you can find a provider with a reasonable price, make contact and negotiate services in advance. Some of the girls have reviews, so it can be a good indicator of what other punters have experienced. For a short-time, remember that USD100 is a very generous sum (more than one month salary for a sales lady) for a few hours of work. So whatever the girl quotes, just tell her you are prepared to pay USD100 plus taxi if she delivers a great service.

Some members will disagree with this concept, so maybe they can provide more convenient solutions. Take a look at all the options and make your own choices.

Whatever experience you have, share it with the board. Enjoy Jakarta, AsianRain

[QUOTE=Sauro07;1249773]I've came across "Lady Panache" (which some of you mentioned here) and also JAD. At JAD, when scrolling down, there are some really hot pics of models and ladies that work in fairs and exhibitions.[/QUOTE]JAD isn't really an escort service. He is a monger guide, will take you around to visit the hot spots, learn how to navigate with the local ceweks and will make sure you're not overpaying.

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1249825]<SNIP to save space

You need to chill. It's rare that we find someone here so eager to antagonize other seniors. You have no one to blame but yourself as you clearly have some chip on your shoulder about AR.

<SNIP

MD II[/QUOTE]Thank you for your calm remark.

I hadn't read the-cups' original post as it has apparently quickly been removed by Jackson.

I can't understand what is eating this guy. As fellow posters can see by scrolling down I made a single posting asking him to act his age, causing him to explode and accusing me of habitually antagonizing him (?).

I guess it takes all sorts, but I agree with you that he should seriously calm down.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1249954]Not literally the correct forum, but the subject does not have its own thread, AFAIK.

In Utrecht, The Netherlands, there is a Thai girl, using the name Patty, working in one of the boats in the Zandpad red light district. She is an expert at pumping and squeezing her vagina, as I have many times enjoyed.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]Make me remember that crazy place. It's very unique, I never saw that kind of bordello like that, hundreds boat houses in the river. But like window girls in AMsterdam, that's not my taste. I prefer relax athmospere and take time 1 or more hours with the girls, not in a rush mode.

Thanks KK. Regards.

[QUOTE=Master Diver II;1249825]MD II[/QUOTE]Wow, thanks for that unsoliticed advice, MD. I will surely follow it (yeah right). Haven't you heard don't feed the monkey? Hahahaha

[QUOTE=Hbengkok; 1250201]Make me remember that crazy place. It's very unique, I never saw that kind of bordello like that, hundreds boat houses in the river. But like window girls in AMsterdam, that's not my taste. I prefer relax athmospere and take time 1 or more hours with the girls, not in a rush mode.

Thanks KK. Regards.[/QUOTE]Actually. 68 boats. Each boat has between 3 and 5 windows with girls working in 2 to 3 shifts.

Basically 24 hours action.

Regards,

Ko

Thanks Asian Rain, Traveler and Gonzo. I'll look into SAE and see what comes up. BTW, I've checked LP's reviews, and they are great. The question is whether they are real or not, but I'll have to find that out probably by myself.

I'll report it later. Any other specific suggestions, please PM me if you have some time.

Cheers,

Sauro

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1250428]Actually. 68 boats. Each boat has between 3 and 5 windows with girls working in 2 to 3 shifts.

Basically 24 hours action.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]I see, maybe I looked at the number on the houses / windows that more than 100, because I try a girl from no. 125.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok; 1250606]I see, maybe I looked at the number on the houses / windows that more than 100, because I try a girl from no. 125.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Numbers start at 102, that may cause some confusion at first.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Hbengkok; 1249885]Hi MD II, how are you there, still cheonging?

Yes, maybe your "friend" doesn't comfortable with the way they approaching, not so polite and directly

By the way, anyway, busway let's rock the Jakarta mongering scene, whether you go for FL, WG or GF. Nowadays I prefer Classic, because it's a one shop shopping, depend on the door you enter, you can fuck a girl range from local 300 k to import 1. 700 k.[/QUOTE]Yes I'm still out here doing my thing. Although I'm not sure that you might call it "cheonging". I'm off the P4P scene really. Although I can help with taxi money and buy the odd gift. BTW my "friend" wasn't and isn't for sale so she felt very uncomfortable in Atrium. It wasn't a matter of the approach. She earns a very decent wage for Jakarta and is a sales manager for one of the decent hotels in town.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1249926]Oh yes, please rub the wound in with salt, pepper and, of course, sambal again! At that moment I realized: here's Casanova / Don Juan himself![/QUOTE]We miss you my mahaguru: when will you grace us with your presence (physical as oppose to virtual). Miss Y is but a distant memory. Albeit an extremely pleasant one:D. I'd willingly buy you several rounds bro just to catch up.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1250087]Thank you for your calm remark.

I hadn't read the-cups' original post as it has apparently quickly been removed by Jackson.

I can't understand what is eating this guy. As fellow posters can see by scrolling down I made a single posting asking him to act his age, causing him to explode and accusing me of habitually antagonizing him (?). I guess it takes all sorts, but I agree with you that he should seriously calm down.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]Well I guess it didn't do any good really. Best to ignore any future flaming really. I can't really be bothered anymore. If he posts something decent, all well and good; if he doesn't, he just proves his detractors correct. The ball's in his court now. Let's just continue our favourite hobby.

MD II

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1251067]Well I guess it didn't do any good really. Best to ignore any future flaming really. I can't really be bothered anymore. If he posts something decent, all well and good; if he doesn't, he just proves his detractors correct. The ball's in his court now. Let's just continue our favourite hobby.

MD II[/QUOTE]Amen to that.

Regards,

Ko

Am wondering if the sauna's, hotels, etc, make their girls do regular STD checks.

Also, has anyone been to the Classic Hotel recently?

Is the 8 hour special for $600 (approx) still running?

How does that work exactly?

[QUOTE=Dogthom; 1251327]Am wondering if the sauna's, hotels, etc, make their girls do regular STD checks.

Also, has anyone been to the Classic Hotel recently?

Is the 8 hour special for $600 (approx) still running?[/QUOTE]As far as I know, only Malioboro and Alexis enforce the regular checking rule. It's hard getting even a BBBJ from the girls there, let alone bareback.

Classic stopped their 8-hour promotion thing as of late. I went there last night.

Sadly those STD regular checks are not as enforced as we would like, and don't ever think that Alexis and / or Malioboro is disease free. Its the same deal punting anywhere in the world.

From today's Jakarta Post:

Police nab 16 strippers in N. Jakarta.

[url]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/02/24/police-nab-16-strippers-n-jakarta.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1252151]From today's Jakarta Post:

Police nab 16 strippers in N. Jakarta.

[url]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/02/24/police-nab-16-strippers-n-jakarta.html[/url][/QUOTE]Looks like they forgot to pay their end-of-the-month bribes.

That was actually in Goldehands, which is a spa or maybe you guys are more familiar with the term "sauna". Yeah we do have macau-ish type sauna, the difference is that you choose by numbers not directly in Macau.

They were nabbed for a night stay in jail because recently there was a strict rule of no nude striptease but this place keep having them.

I haven't checked whether they are still having the dancers or not after the incident, but I was told by the manager that none of the spa-girls are taken. Oh yeah, the freelancers that they usually have are also taken.

BTW this is one of the classiest place for sauna, second only to SunCity in my book, the pools are tremendous.

Most girls will do FJ, but some won't. The rate is about 300. 000 Rupiah for a 90 mins session + about 500. 000 for FJ. (50-100k for HJ)

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1252151]From today's Jakarta Post:

Police nab 16 strippers in N. Jakarta.

[url]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/02/24/police-nab-16-strippers-n-jakarta.html[/url][/QUOTE]Does anyone know which hotel that was? I hope the owner of the hotel steps up and pays the fines to get those girls out of jail.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1252384]Does anyone know which hotel that was? I hope the owner of the hotel steps up and pays the fines to get those girls out of jail.[/QUOTE]Hi Smoothy,

The Jakarta Globe states it is the Golden Hands hotel. I looked at the hotel website and figured out that it's a bordello desiring to replicate Alexis or Sun City I guess.. Looks like it's a new entry in the business. Obviously they haven't paid up where they ought to. JAD should be able to enlighten further, the true inside story.

Cheers

I am heading to Jakarta this weekend for a couple of days, as its my first trip will check out blok M and also red square, and a spa during the day.

As I have had a good read through this great forum before hand I am confident I will have a blast. I am mindful of the bad traffic, so am unsure where to stay, wanting something 5 star and there seems to be good options, just not sure where I am best to be so I don't have to spend half my trip in a cab.

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=All About Bob;1252417]I am heading to Jakarta this weekend for a couple of days, as its my first trip will check out blok M and also red square, and a spa during the day.[/QUOTE]To behonest, both these places suck. You may find the odd spinner during a Saturday night at Blok M but it's mostly packed with hardnened hookers these days. Red Square although I have picked up from there is a shadow of its former self. Both places are quite empty during weekdays. The real good places are up in Kota.

[QUOTE=All About Bob;1252417]I am heading to Jakarta this weekend for a couple of days, . I am mindful of the bad traffic, so am unsure where to stay, wanting something 5 star and there seems to be good options, just not sure where I am best to be so I don't have to spend half my trip in a cab.[/QUOTE]SO many choices! I would recommend Alila (Jl Pecenongan Kav 7-17) which is close to Classic Hotel and Malioboro. Also (yes) The Sultan. It's not too far from anything and in-house is possible and acceptable. (PM me for details!) Le Meridien or Shangri La are also on the list. Traffic is going to be hit-or-miss in any case. If you can move, try one of the Blok M hotels when you want to monger there (Ambara is within walking distance) and then move. I hope this helps and we look forward to your reports. TTG

I was in Jakarta around New Years, and I never got around to posting my review, so I figured I'd do that now.

I was in town for Five Nights, and I tried to make the most of it, really.

First night, I arrived late, so nothing really happened. I grabbed some food from my hotel's room service and then crashed out for the next day.

Second day, I met up with a girl from a dating website, and we went and had some lunch, caught a film, and had a coffee. It was an alright way to spend the day, but she had to go meet up with her family so nothing happened from that before. She was a wealthy girl, and paid for everything, so there is that.

Second night, I headed down to Sportsman's to watch the Liverpool match, and it was fairly quiet in there. There was a few cute bartenders, and I was flirting heavily with one them, I think her name was Nisa. She was pretty hot, and 22, and had a good little body. She seemed a lovely girl, and we chatted a bit, and I agreed to come meet her outside Sportsman's after her shift. I went down to Top Gun, and I enjoyed the band, and a few drinks, and some company of the foreign guys for a laugh, and then headed back to meet up with her. We went back to my hotel fucked a few times. Everything uncovered, and did a few different positions and she gave a pretty decent BJ. And after sleeping, we went at it again in the morning, and she just seemed reluctant to leave, so I said I was off to get some food, and she could come or she could go home. I gave her 500K, and told her to get a taxi, and some lunch, and have a good day, and we separated and went on our own ways.

Third night, I went back to Sportsman's but the girl wasn't working. She had left something of hers in my hotel room, so I dropped it off there, and headed over to Top Gun. The band at Top Gun was amazing that night! They even played Iron Maiden for me! So damn excellent. I was loving the atmosphere in there, and drinking far too much, watched a crazy girl fight with a few other girls in there, and then moved across the street to the late night spot (can't remember its name there) , and had two girls from Top Gun rubbing on me and kissing me on the way over there. I didn't really want the attention from them, but let it happen, and we got there and they asked for drinks. I excused myself to the toilets and made my escape from their clutches.

Anyway, I looked around, and there wasn't much talent on show at that place, despite my level of inebriation, and I made my way over to the foreign guys that I was chatting with earlier. Whilst talking to them, I saw a cute little spinner that I called over, she was young, naive, and seemed really, really new to the game. I think she was around 20ish or 21ish. Her english was really poor, so some girl did the translating for me, and as we were heading off that girl asked me for money for setting it up. I told her what I thought of that idea and made my way to the taxi. We headed back to the hotel, and once again, I went uncovered with this one too (why do I keep doing this?). The sex was pretty poor. She was very obviously new to everything, and her attempts at a blowjob reminded me of an uptight girl that I had dated in High School and finally got her to agree to 'kiss it'. I was totally blown away by the inexperience. So, anyway, I finished up in missionary, and took a shower to wash the smoke off. And of course, she didn't want to take a shower for some reason, so I had to smell the smoke from her hair until I fell asleep.

We woke up, and I took her doggystyle. Right after I finished, I get a call on the phone. I was suppose to be meeting the rich girl from the other day, so I answered the phone, and it was that Nisa from the Sportsman earlier. She wanted to come up and talk to me and said her 'sister' was angry that she went home with a customer and all that. I don't know what happened exactly, but I told her that I cannot talk to her right now, that I had to shower and get ready for a lunch meeting, and I was sorry about that. I agreed to go to Sportsmans and talk to her later, because she was working again.

The inexperienced girl was just sort of sitting around naked, and not doing anything, so I kept telling her to get ready and she needed to go. She didn't get the picture, so I went and showered, and repeated, that she needed to leave now. She wouldn't get her clothes on and go, so I literally gave her 500K, and then picked up her clothes and started to dress her. She finally got the picture, and finished dressing, and left. Why don't these girls want to leave?

Day Four, I meet up with the rich girl again for lunch, and we go somewhere close, because she's made it clear that she wants to fuck today. Great, I just finished up inside the inexperienced girl just an hour earlier. So, I take my time eating my lunch, and trying to get some energy ready for her. She finishes quickly, and seems antsy for me to finish and go. I finish my food, she pays, and we head back to my hotel.

Ok, this is by far the best sex of my trip, this girl had some skills and was willing to utilize them. I had some pretty good staying power, as I cleared the chamber earlier with the inexperienced girl, and we go a few different positions over a long period of time. This is what I was hoping for when I got to Indonesia. I did use condoms with this girl, and we went twice. After the second go, she had to go meet up with her family again, and off she went.

Fourth Night, Rich girl came back for an encore, after dinner with her family, but she had to head home so we only had a quicky. I was pretty alright with that, and crashed out for the night.

Day five. Breakfast and then to the airport. Nothing to report there.

[QUOTE=John Aldrich; 1252410]Hi Smoothy,

The Jakarta Globe states it is the Golden Hands hotel. I looked at the hotel website and figured out that it's a bordello desiring to replicate Alexis or Sun City I guess. Looks like it's a new entry in the business. Obviously they haven't paid up where they ought to. JAD should be able to enlighten further, the true inside story.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info! I'll have to check it out!

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1252425]The real good places are up in Kota.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a bordello where you pay for sex by the hour and don't establish much of a conversation or relationship with the girl, Kota is great. The girls are young and prices are cheap. But if you are looking to chat a girl up (in English) and have a few drinks with her and a bit of a laugh then take her home for the night, Kota is not good for that.

Blok M and Red Square are much more likely places to find the latter mentioned. I will say though that the last time I visited Blok M, I didn't see even a single stunner. But I left by 11:30pm that night so things weren't hopping yet. The last time I went to Red Square, the only hot girls were the sexy dancers that were paid to entertain the people there. But I have seen stunners there in the past. I think the best looking girls can be found at X2 and Dragon Fly. But they aren't as easy to pick up in those places.

The great thing about Jakarta is that it has something for everyone's tastes.

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1252584]I think it depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a bordello where you pay for sex by the hour and don't establish much of a conversation or relationship with the girl, Kota is great. The girls are young and prices are cheap. But if you are looking to chat a girl up (in English) and have a few drinks with her and a bit of a laugh then take her home for the night, Kota is not good for that.

Blok M and Red Square are much more likely places to find the latter mentioned. I will say though that the last time I visited Blok M, I didn't see even a single stunner. But I left by 11:30pm that night so things weren't hopping yet. The last time I went to Red Square, the only hot girls were the sexy dancers that were paid to entertain the people there. But I have seen stunners there in the past. I think the best looking girls can be found at X2 and Dragon Fly. But they aren't as easy to pick up in those places.

The great thing about Jakarta is that it has something for everyone's tastes.[/QUOTE]To Smoothy.

If you go to Block M before 11pm you might not see anyone this place don't get going until after Midnight, most girl at Red Square are not pro just girl out have a good time and freebie are possible, you are right Jarkata have alot to offer to everyone at noon, night and after midnight.

Fast Eddie 48

I was quite frequent to Jakarta till 2010 & a regular visitor to Stadium. Music used to be great & also occasionally you cud find amazing chicks who can they go with you for 300000 rupiah for an hour. Am in Jakarta after 15 months next week. Was wondering if stadium is still the same or any alternative suggestions.

Cheers

Just a bit of advice, Try to go around 3 PM just before rush hour or 6 PM (with Taxi) as there are 3 person minimum car rule imposed at 16:30. 19:00 and taxis can use those lanes which helped traffic considerably. Try as bad as you can to use Blue Bird and tell the driver to use any means necessary to avoid traffic. .

However the traffic after 8 PM is not as bad as described.

Would recommend Alila for the excellent rooms, or try Alexis. The room is nice, they have a nice club at ground level (a few Caucasians tho, not as much as Red Square, however this is one of the few place in town that has Striptease now ever since the tough crackdowns on stripteases performance in any place.) The 3rd Floor is Karaoke. And The 5th floor is some sort of Massage / Red-rope-shangai-esque service place. And the 7th floor is the infamous Bathouse which is the classiest bordello in town. The access to Kota from Alexis is also easy, but its far from Sudirman / or Senayan area. Even further away to Blok M.

M-Star is a not-quite-so-new one-stop entertainment place. 300k or 550k a pop, with free facilities and they even have a massage place which I never use, and REALLY near Alexis. Think of it like Classic Terminal with fewer choice and crowd.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1249900]It's 270k, not 300k. Still best deal in town, I think.[/QUOTE]It's 400k for two. If the rooms were bigger, would get the rate quote for three. But, the volume on these girls is heavy. Good deal or not, you're likely to be rubbing off someone else's perspiration.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1252706]To Smoothy.

If you go to Block M before 11pm you might not see anyone this place don't get going until after Midnight, most girl at Red Square are not pro just girl out have a good time and freebie are possible, you are right Jarkata have alot to offer to everyone at noon, night and after midnight.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I am beginning to wonder about our omnipresent friend mr. Fast Eddie.

You will be hard pressed to find a thread where he doesn't insert his oneliners filled with spelling errors. Over 2,000 postings! I find it difficult to believe that he actually visited (and experienced) all the locations he posts about. Block M, indeed. Everyone who has been there more than once knows it is Blok M. Is there anybody else who shares this feeling or am I alone in this?

He is not obnoxious like the recently removed D Cups, but in my view he is beginning to suffer from a lack of credibility. Anybody seen a picture or a field report by him?

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1253155]I am beginning to wonder about our omnipresent friend mr. Fast Eddie.

You will be hard pressed to find a thread where he doesn't insert his oneliners filled with spelling errors. Over 2, 000 postings! I find it difficult to believe that he actually visited (and experienced) all the locations he posts about. Is there anybody else who shares this feeling or am I alone in this?[/QUOTE]In a perfect world, people like this would have actually friends, and hence would not feel compelled to clutter up forums with their opinions and non-information. But, it's a big tent here, so what can you do.

Went to Jakarta for the weekend and this was my experience at Golden Crown.

Arrived, payed the 35k cover charge and proceeded inside to the main disco where the music was techno / doof doof or whatever they call it these days. The hookers mainly hang out close to the entrance, and also against the walls mainly on the left hand side. All the tables were full, only saw 1 bule there inside, rest were locals. Bought 2 beers and talked to a hooker who immediately started the requests for ecstasy. A lot of partygoers in indonesia partake in E, characterised by their swaying heads side to side, and backwards and forwards in an exagerated manner. Bought the girl a beer and packet of ciggies. Waiter brought the drinks and a glass of ice. As the waiter brought the drink, I didn't notice anything amiss. Can't remember if the can was opened when it arrived. She typed in 300k on her phone and showed it to me. I said I was only their to drink. Anyway, scoped out the place for another hour. Thats a long time so if my drink was spiked I dunno if the effects take that long to take effect. I got a bit bored and decided to walk into the lobby and close to the stairs a foreigner approached me and said he was glad to see another foreigner to talk to.

He said he was from Dubai on holiday, and was planning to go to Bangkok the next day. He was of arab descent, well built (obviously a gym buff). Said he ran his own business in Dubai. Nothing to be suspicious of at that point. He asked me where I was staying. I told him the name of the hotel. Hotel Peninsula, jalan manga bassar (next door to Oasis spa)

Went upstairs with him. This was another large floor with a podium with girls dancing (clothed). He insisted on buying me a beer, and when I said no, its ok I will pay, he said 'I invited you so I want to buy you a beer'. Can't remember if the beer was opened when it arrived, or if he gave it to me. Approached a few more girls, they werent that interested to talk but anyway we had conversations, so wasnt really that bothered. At this point around 20 mins had passed. We then went back down again and started dancing on the floor, I had just finished the beer and offered to buy him a drink. Went to find a waiter (as thats the only way you can buy a drink).

While I was standing against the wall waiting for a waiter. THAT WAS THE LAST I REMEMBERED. This was approximately 30 mins after he bought me the drink. It must have been around 2-30am.

I don't remember feeling quesy, or dizzy or being hit on the head, or anything. JUST NOTHING AFTER THAT POINT.

Next thing I remember is waking up around 9 in the morning in my hotel room.

From my pocket my wallet was missing with 1. 5m taken out. 600k was left an my smart phone was stolen.

I had left my oakleys on the desk in the room (but my ATM card I'm sure I locked in the safe). Both of these were stolen as well.

I had 2. 5hrs till my flight so I thought fuck it, need to get to the airport. So I asked the person at the desk if they noticed me come in. The girl said yes, you came in with a foreigner we thought it was your friend. I asked to see their CCTV but they said the manager was not in so not possible at the time. I thought fuck it, I need to catch my flight so I gave up and left.

Anyway, that was my jakarta experience.

Side note. Hotel Travel had some nice looking girls at 300k a pop. Seemed like a factory though so I didn't partake as I had a massage and HJ at Oasis by a pretty young girl. Great body but no english and was more interested in watching cartoons on the TV in the room. Hmm.

[QUOTE=Guy Wif Attitude; 1253680]Went to Jakarta for the weekend and this was my experience at Golden Crown.

He said he was from Dubai on holiday, and was planning to go to Bangkok the next day. He was of arab descent, well built (obviously a gym buff). Said he ran his own business in Dubai. Nothing to be suspicious of at that point. He asked me where I was staying. I told him the name of the hotel. Hotel Peninsula, jalan manga bassar (next door to Oasis spa)

Went upstairs with him. This was another large floor with a podium with girls dancing (clothed). He insisted on buying me a beer, and when I said no, its ok I will pay, he said 'I invited you so I want to buy you a beer'. Can't remember if the beer was opened when it arrived, or if he gave it to me. Approached a few more girls, they werent that interested to talk but anyway we had conversations, so wasnt really that bothered. At this point around 20 mins had passed. We then went back down again and started dancing on the floor, I had just finished the beer and offered to buy him a drink. Went to find a waiter (as thats the only way you can buy a drink).

While I was standing against the wall waiting for a waiter. THAT WAS THE LAST I REMEMBERED. This was approximately 30 mins after he bought me the drink. It must have been around 2-30am.

I don't remember feeling quesy, or dizzy or being hit on the head, or anything. JUST NOTHING AFTER THAT POINT.

Next thing I remember is waking up around 9 in the morning in my hotel room.

From my pocket my wallet was missing with 1. 5m taken out. 600k was left an my smart phone was stolen.

I had left my oakleys on the desk in the room (but my ATM card I'm sure I locked in the safe). Both of these were stolen as well.

Side note. Hotel Travel had some nice looking girls at 300k a pop. Seemed like a factory though so I didn't partake as I had a massage and HJ at Oasis by a pretty young girl. Great body but no english and was more interested in watching cartoons on the TV in the room. Hmm.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that, GWA. That's a hard lesson everybody must care. Altough you lost some valuables, but still considered lucky. That kind of tricks usually happened when we travelled on bus. Many victims even not awake for days, some were dead. But this is the first time I hear that a foreigner done that (to a foreigner). So to other bros, take this lesson. Keep hunting, make friends, but always be carefull.

Nasty story Guy but as has been said, you got off lucky. Any info on where Golden Crown is?

As to your TV watching Oasis experience, you must have had exactly the same girl I had. Oasis (in Mangga Besar) has been refurbished and it's looking quite well, they now have a good "40% discount" deal which gets you a boby-body massage, full service, followed by a regular massage, purportedly lasting two and a half hours, for a mere Rp 395, 000.

It's certainly a good deal but be sure and keep control over it or you might feel somewhat underwhelmed by the experience. I chose a good looking twenty year old, with a pleasant face and a good body (feeling up her tits however I knew she had a kid, which she confirmed) for the body-to-body. The soapy was perfunctory enough (and with rather cold water) and when she felt she'd got me suitably aroused whipped on the condom and started grinding, no preliminary BJ. The session lasted, all told about thirty five minutes, I showered unassisted. After drying off I asked her about the regular massage and she admitted she didn't know but that she'd go and pick a girl and bring her to me, fine I didn't feel like getting dressed and going back to the bar area.

Five minutes later she brought a nice enough, nineteen year old back, decent figure and a nice smile, a student at a local college. Unfortunately it turns out massages happen in the third floor so I did have to get dressed and go down anyway. The massage rooms are decently made out and large enough. You lie on the mat with a hole for your head to look through (and see the blobs of chewing gum, cigarette ash and gobs of previous less fastidious customers). The massage was good enough, she walked on my back and she was just the right weight to make it very enjoyable. However after about forty-five minutes, without any massaging of the important bits she stops and says with a smile,"anything else?". Well I'd already shot a load and as she had made no effort to persuade me I decided to skip the extra rub. I got up to dress, noting there was nowhere for me to shower all the gunge off and went out to pay.

All in it was exactly Rp 395, 000 like they said, no tax or service charge, so it was very reasonably priced but somewhat unfulfilling (and shorter than promised). So by all means check it out but when doing so be more assertive about getting your money's worth than I was, I was simply killing time before getting down to the main business of the afternoon.

[QUOTE=Guy Wif Attitude; 1253680]Went to Jakarta for the weekend and this was my experience at Golden Crown.

I got a bit bored and decided to walk into the lobby and close to the stairs a foreigner approached me and said he was glad to see another foreigner to talk to.

He said he was from Dubai on holiday, and was planning to go to Bangkok the next day. He was of arab descent, well built (obviously a gym buff). Said he ran his own business in Dubai. Nothing to be suspicious of at that point. He asked me where I was staying. I told him the name of the hotel. Hotel Peninsula, jalan manga bassar (next door to Oasis spa)

Went upstairs with him. This was another large floor with a podium with girls dancing (clothed). He insisted on buying me a beer, and when I said no, its ok I will pay, he said 'I invited you so I want to buy you a beer'. Can't remember if the beer was opened when it arrived, or if he gave it to me. Approached a few more girls, they werent that interested to talk but anyway we had conversations, so wasnt really that bothered. At this point around 20 mins had passed. We then went back down again and started dancing on the floor, I had just finished the beer and offered to buy him a drink. Went to find a waiter (as thats the only way you can buy a drink).

While I was standing against the wall waiting for a waiter. THAT WAS THE LAST I REMEMBERED. This was approximately 30 mins after he bought me the drink. It must have been around 2-30am.

I don't remember feeling quesy, or dizzy or being hit on the head, or anything. JUST NOTHING AFTER THAT POINT.

Next thing I remember is waking up around 9 in the morning in my hotel room.

From my pocket my wallet was missing with 1. 5m taken out. 600k was left an my smart phone was stolen.

I had left my oakleys on the desk in the room (but my ATM card I'm sure I locked in the safe). Both of these were stolen as well.[/QUOTE]Seems pretty obvious to me that the Arab guy did the drugging. These stories are common all over SE Asia. I have heard the same story in Thailand & Macau. In Macau I had a couple guy come up to me all extra friendly and acting like they were having so much fun and one guy tried to pass me his beer when mine was finished. His trick was that he was not drinking it. He would only put it up to his mouth to pretend that he was. I like to keep my awareness up on things and I noticed the weight of the aluminum can to be lighter than apparently full like he made it look.

I think basically they need enough time to get the power in the drink and dissolve it. So the usually prepare it beforehand. Bottom line is especially when you are traveling alone DO NOT take any drink from a stranger. One better keep you drink with you at all times aswell. The thing these criminals do is when the effect starts to knock you out they act like your friend to everybody around and make it look like they are helping thier drunken mate. They often like to steal passports aswell.

[QUOTE=Guy Wif Attitude;1253680]Next thing I remember is waking up around 9 in the morning in my hotel room.[/QUOTE]Good cautionary tale. Consider yourself lucky as you DID wake up the next morning. In some countries, your unconscious body would have been brought to some back alley lab, slit open and your organs would have been harvested for the transplant market. When you think of it that way, the loss of a smart phone and some short time money doesn't seem so bad.

I have only experienced Golden Crown with my girlfriend once. She was pissed at me and did ecstasy without my knowledge, but I figured out what was happening when she tranced out. I beat it out of there very quick with her and ended up back at the hotel listening to her teeth chattering the whole night. She thankfully sobered up by morning, but couldn't suck cock for the next 2 days because the E had burned her tongue.

People who go to Crown are either consuming or selling. Enjoy Jakarta, AsianRain

[QUOTE=Guy Wif Attitude; 1253680]Went to Jakarta for the weekend and this was my experience at Golden Crown.

Arrived, payed the 35k cover charge and proceeded inside to the main disco where the music was techno / doof doof or whatever they call it these days. The hookers mainly hang out close to the entrance, and also against the walls mainly on the left hand side. All the tables were full, only saw 1 bule there inside, rest were locals. Bought 2 beers and talked to a hooker who immediately started the requests for ecstasy. A lot of partygoers in indonesia partake in E, characterised by their swaying heads side to side, and backwards and forwards in an exagerated manner. Bought the girl a beer and packet of ciggies. Waiter brought the drinks and a glass of ice. As the waiter brought the drink, I didn't notice anything amiss. Can't remember if the can was opened when it arrived. She typed in 300k on her phone and showed it to me. I said I was only their to drink. Anyway, scoped out the place for another hour. Thats a long time so if my drink was spiked I dunno if the effects take that long to take effect. I got a bit bored and decided to walk into the lobby and close to the stairs a foreigner approached me and said he was glad to see another foreigner to talk to.

He said he was from Dubai on holiday, and was planning to go to Bangkok the next day. He was of arab descent, well built (obviously a gym buff). Said he ran his own business in Dubai. Nothing to be suspicious of at that point. He asked me where I was staying. I told him the name of the hotel. Hotel Peninsula, jalan manga bassar (next door to Oasis spa)

Went upstairs with him. This was another large floor with a podium with girls dancing (clothed). He insisted on buying me a beer, and when I said no, its ok I will pay, he said 'I invited you so I want to buy you a beer'. Can't remember if the beer was opened when it arrived, or if he gave it to me. Approached a few more girls, they werent that interested to talk but anyway we had conversations, so wasnt really that bothered. At this point around 20 mins had passed. We then went back down again and started dancing on the floor, I had just finished the beer and offered to buy him a drink. Went to find a waiter (as thats the only way you can buy a drink).

While I was standing against the wall waiting for a waiter. THAT WAS THE LAST I REMEMBERED. This was approximately 30 mins after he bought me the drink. It must have been around 2-30am.

I don't remember feeling quesy, or dizzy or being hit on the head, or anything. JUST NOTHING AFTER THAT POINT.

Next thing I remember is waking up around 9 in the morning in my hotel room.

From my pocket my wallet was missing with 1. 5m taken out. 600k was left an my smart phone was stolen.

I had left my oakleys on the desk in the room (but my ATM card I'm sure I locked in the safe). Both of these were stolen as well.

I had 2. 5hrs till my flight so I thought fuck it, need to get to the airport. So I asked the person at the desk if they noticed me come in. The girl said yes, you came in with a foreigner we thought it was your friend. I asked to see their CCTV but they said the manager was not in so not possible at the time. I thought fuck it, I need to catch my flight so I gave up and left.

Anyway, that was my jakarta experience.

Side note. Hotel Travel had some nice looking girls at 300k a pop. Seemed like a factory though so I didn't partake as I had a massage and HJ at Oasis by a pretty young girl. Great body but no english and was more interested in watching cartoons on the TV in the room. Hmm.[/QUOTE]Reminds of my report of years ago. An American guy felt victim to an odd couple: an Italian guy and a Thai gal who used scopolamine. He met them in one of the posh clubs and invited them to his room for a glass of wine. They drugged him in there. He was unconscious for 17 hours. At least he and you recovered. I live in Colombia where the use of scopolamine (=burundanga) led to many fatal outcomes.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1245194]An article in the Jakarta Post this morning:

"We've blocked 1m porn sites, govt claims"

[url]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/02/06/we-ve-blocked-1m-porn-sites-govt-claims.html[/url]

Wonder if they'll try to block ISG? I know that there are work-arounds, but anyone had any difficulties accessing the site from within Indonesia?[/QUOTE]Hello Gents.

I have been living in Indonesia (and using another forum) for over 3 years, and have never had a problem accessing the site.

I have noticed that xtube and redtube have been blocked, but surprisingly few other sites seem to be blocked.

Happy surfing.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger; 1251374]As far as I know, only Malioboro and Alexis enforce the regular checking rule. It's hard getting even a BBBJ from the girls there, let alone bareback.

Classic stopped their 8-hour promotion thing as of late. I went there last night.[/QUOTE]Very sorry to hear this news Egy.

I was planned on getting all rested up and giving it a shot on Saturday night.

Thanks for the heads up.

[QUOTE=Guy Wif Attitude; 1253680]Went to Jakarta for the weekend and this was my experience at Golden Crown.

Arrived, payed the 35k cover charge and proceeded inside to the main disco where the music was techno / doof doof or whatever they call it these days. And close to the stairs a foreigner approached me and said he was glad to see another foreigner to talk to.

He said he was from Dubai on holiday, and was planning to go to Bangkok the next day. He was of arab descent, well built (obviously a gym buff). Said he ran his own business in Dubai. Nothing to be suspicious of at that point. He asked me where I was staying. I told him the name of the hotel. Hotel Peninsula, jalan manga bassar (next door to Oasis spa)

Went upstairs with him. 'I invited you so I want to buy you a beer'. Can't remember if the beer was opened when it arrived, or if he gave it to me. I don't remember feeling quesy, or dizzy or being hit on the head, or anything. JUST NOTHING AFTER THAT POINT.

Next thing I remember is waking up around 9 in the morning in my hotel room.

From my pocket my wallet was missing with 1. 5m taken out. 600k was left an my smart phone was stolen.

I.[/QUOTE]Not want to rub your nose in it, but if you ever went to Dubai you would know most of the real work is done there by filipinos, the arabs and blacks do nothing, unless they are wearing a bed sheet and working for the government. You were very lucky, I never make friends at all for that reason, touch wood.

Hi, yes I did some online research on scopolamine and it it is indeed a 'truth serum' that wud explain how my safe was mysteriously able to be opened and my ATM card stolen.

I think I've used one of my 9 lives. Damn lucky to get out of that incident with all my vital organs intact.

I think I will leave jakarta alone until I'm a more experienced monger. My many trips to PI haven't hardened my up for the challenges of Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Guy Wif Attitude; 1254346]Hi, yes I did some online research on scopolamine and it it is indeed a 'truth serum' that wud explain how my safe was mysteriously able to be opened and my ATM card stolen.

I think I've used one of my 9 lives. Damn lucky to get out of that incident with all my vital organs intact.

I think I will leave jakarta alone until I'm a more experienced monger. My many trips to PI haven't hardened my up for the challenges of Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I find Golden Crown a strange choice for a newbie to Jakarta. How the heck did you end up choosing that place as one of the spots to hit on your first visit to Jakarta? Any place where an ecstacy high is the main attraction for people attending is going to have thieves and scammers. I've had guys try to pick my pockets in there hoping that I was high. But I've never done X in there nor had anything to drink there other than bottled water. For a first visit to Jakarta, I would think Golden Crown is a little over the top. That's the kind of place I wouldn't recommend unless you went with a friend who spoke Bahasa Indonesia.

Your story is indeed a good reminder to not ever allow a stranger to buy you a drink. That's the 3rd time I've heard of such a story in Jakarta, and I'm sure it happens much more often than that. Glad you came out ok.

Where is the Golden Crown?

[QUOTE=Dorman;1254908]Where is the Golden Crown?[/QUOTE]Glodok in the mall where they sell thousands of copies of dvds and cds.

Full address is Glodok Plaza Lt. 3-9 Jl. Pinangsia Raya No. 1 Jakarta 11180

[QUOTE=Dorman;1254908]Where is the Golden Crown?[/QUOTE]Hi, yes in Glodok plaza, very easy to find. I have not been there for a long time, but it is one of the older nightclubs in the kota. About 10 years and a little bit more seedy than Stadium. It seems to be popular now- at least going by what I read on jakarta 100 bars. It rates it quite high and marks it as "one of the safe places to go, if you don't know the city". Well, as you may read in the comment section of the blog, below, about it's security and safety, I much doubt all will agree with that.

[url]http://www.jakarta100bars.com/2009/01/golden-crown-glodok-plaza.html[/url]

A criminal heading security, nice.

If you don't mind the E crap and deafening techno, there are actually very nice girls there, at least there used to be.

Btw, very sorry to read about your bad experience Guy Wiff Attitude, it's ugly what some people do, hope you'll be ok, cheers.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1253209]In a perfect world, people like this would have actually friends, and hence would not feel compelled to clutter up forums with their opinions and non-information. But, it's a big tent here, so what can you do.[/QUOTE]Nothing, but it has become quiet lately <grin

Having explored pretty much the entire town now and felt like I missed out by not going to Crown, I decided to take a look and see what the fuss is about. To sum up this report, I was very dissappointed.

Headed to Glodok on Saturday night around 11 PM. The taxi I hailed knew where Crown was immediately, so it seems to be well-known around town. In the third floor or so after I took the elevator there was a security check. They are really strict and made me take off my belt. In addition, they wouldn't let me in with my footwear as they thought it was too shallow. Had to rent a a worn-out pair of shoes which they saw fit for 30, 000 IDR. Totally different from Stadium, where nobody even bothers checking anything.

Paid my ticket which I can't remember how much but it included a free beer.

Anyway, it's just a normal disco where the classy locals hang out, most of them Chinese-Indos. There is a lounge area with live band also but it's definitely for groups only. It seems overall at Crown that it's just groups of people hanging out together. I made contact with a few spinners (nearly all of them were occupied with their handphones) at the entrance of the disco area and from what we were able to communicate with they made it clear they were not hookers or anything, just waiting for friends. Maybe it's because I looked like a local to them but these girls wouldn't even open up for casual conversation with my limited Bahasa, which is different from Stadium where I did manage to strike up conversation with several girls at ease and even took a freebie home once.

Oh, and they have this weird way of ordering drinks through a computer. I couldn't figure it out.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1255217]HThere is a lounge area with live band also but it's definitely for groups only.[/QUOTE]I don't know about that. That's the area I normally hang out in. That's where they have the topless dancers.

Those topless dancers are good to go sometimes. Some of them end up working at Naughty Girls in Singapore 4 floors, but they start out at the GC.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel;1255188]Nothing, but it has become quiet lately <grin>[/QUOTE]Looks like I touched an open nerve with our friend Eddie.

He has now resorted to private abuse, the sorry sod, and has politely asked me to repeatedly kiss one of his body parts.

Unfortunately for him this will remain a dream.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1255846]Looks like I touched an open nerve with our friend Eddie.

He has now resorted to private abuse, the sorry sod, and has politely asked me to repeatedly kiss one of his body parts.

Unfortunately for him this will remain a dream.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]Ko, our friend reminds me of Foxeshunter and Poturu, also members with great fantasies.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1256054]Ko, our friend reminds me of Foxeshunter and Poturu, also members with great fantasies.[/QUOTE]Well, I have bestowed upon him the rare honour of a place on my Ignore list.

Regards,

Ko

Courious to try a Massage Place, which has Chinesse (PRC) massaseur, I went to Angel Refleksi (inside Lokasari Plasa area). Arrived at 13:00, still there's no other customers. Don't have a clue who to choose, and they don't have pics, so I just okay whoever the cashier choose. Going upstair on 2nd floor and wait, then the woman came. Around 30 + years. o., not slim but not too fat either, face so so. Start massage my back, then foot. Can not speak bahasa, but I can't speak mandarin, so comunication wasn't well. Anyway she offer me to have a HJ for 200K. Well, I think I would try because it's feels cheaper for an import ladies (even older and not high quality LOL).

In the mean time, there're other customers coming, so we have to keep silent. The sound of people talking in nearside rooms, make me difficult to orgasm. So I thougth that's enough, I need more private, but room's only using curtain door, so that wasn't my taste.

Ussually I go to Suncity Spa, which have better PRC massage girls and more private room.

Name : Xiao. (Sui or Lui) , but many girls here have a same front name (Xiao).

Massage : 7.

HJ : 6 (DNF)

RO : No

German drugged, robbed at C. Jakarta bar.

Guys,

01. Article as appeared in The Jakarta Post, Wed. 03. 14. 2012.

02. Is this "Bobby" telling the truth?

03. As far as my actual experience, in Jakarta, one can only withdraw Rp. 10, 000, 000. 00 within any 24hrs period from the ATM's in Jakarta.

04. If you know otherwise, please do comment.

05. Anyway. Be very very careful in meeting friendly "strangers". .

Ciao,

Pete33.

The Jakarta Post | Wed. 03/14/2012 11:14 AM

German drugged, robbed at C. Jakarta bar.

JAKARTA: German national Bobby Johnson. 35, says he was robbed after he was sedated by two men he just met at a bar on Saturday.

According to Johnson's statement to the Jakarta Police, the robbers were unidentified French men whom he met at a bar in Tanah Abang, Central Jakarta, as reported by kompas. Com on Tuesday.

Johnson said the culprits stole his iPhone; a Hamilton watch; about US$150 in Euros; Singapore dollars and rupiah; and four credit cards. It is unclear whether the culprits used his credit cards to make fraudulent transactions.

He also reported that $5, 580 was withdrawn from his DBS bank account from an ATM at the lobby of a hotel in Central Jakarta.

According to the police report, Johnson was at the bar engaged in small talk with the men, who offered him an orange juice when he was about to leave.

Johnson then said he lost consciousness after consuming the beverage.

The men then reportedly asked a taxi driver to take Johnson to a hotel in South Jakarta where he was staying, telling the driver that Johnson was drunk.

Johnson regained consciousness on Sunday night only to find that his belongings were gone.

[QUOTE=Pete33;1257595]According to Johnson's statement to the Jakarta Police, the robbers were unidentified French men whom he met at a bar in Tanah Abang, Central Jakarta, as reported by kompas. Com on Tuesday.[/QUOTE]Interesting that the perps are said to be French. No denying that people let their guard down when dealing with other foreigners. I had to give my pembantu a bit of a talking to after she let a bule "friend" of mine into my house to wait for me when I was out, the guy was a notorious thief and junky. She just assumed that as a foreigner, he could be trusted. It's not just other bules that are fooled by a white face.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1252584]The girls are young and prices are cheap.[/QUOTE]What are the ages and prices?

Having sincerely enjoyed BDSM experiences for two decades around the world. I wonder whether there would be a good "marked" for a truly skilled Dominatrix in Jakarta. As far as I know there is none? It would obviously need to be a Dom travelling with her gear as having a dungeon will probably be difficult? I know a really good candidate and could make it a project to get her well trained and equipped, but. Would she find a good clientele? For it to be worthwhile she would have to charge. 5 to 10 mill for 3 hours? And an additional 2 to 3 for bringing a slave / fuck girl along? The equipment, costumes etc are expensive. Rest assured I would have no financial involvement in it, I would merely enjoy widening the sexual paradise we live in.

Was planned to stay in Jakarta for two days. Due to the flight delay, have only one night to stay. In order to fully enjoy the hours, I looked back thelast two years reports and formed a solid plan. Landed in Jakarta at about 3 pm, you need to pay for the Visa on arrival first before get the visa. Exchanged the cash at the airport. There are role of offcie to exchange the currency. I found the best exchange rate in the airport. Got an SIM card for my phone. Paid 200000 inside of the airport for the silverbird from the airport to my hotel, the mercure in Kota. Got in the hotel and get in my hotel room at 4:30. Quickly exchange to summer cloths, then I am off to the Classic. It is so easy to get a bluebird by the bellman from the hotel and got there before 5 pm. When I walked into the classic ternminal, immediately, a mama came to me ask me what I want. I said a bingtang. She start to sell her girl to me. I told her, I like someone who is young, small and pretty and see.

An speak some English. She got me a young, claim 18 with a face at least 7 to 8. She can speak some broken english, at least we can communicated. She sit by me, I offerd her a drink, and we chat a little bit until I finished my beer. Then, we off to the room. The routine has been described by many before. Overall, she did great job. The only thing I did not like was the covered BJ. I gave her 100000 beside the fee paid to the counter. Went down stairs to have my supper.

Then I went to the Malioboro by bluebird. Get in the sauna first, enjoy the hot waterand relax for about an hour. I just miised the show. Went upstair and got in the winebar. A papa immediately approach me. Since I missed BBBJ, I told him I like someone who is pretty and good at BBBJ. He introduce me Lala, a 20 years with a face of 8. I ordered another beer for me a tea for her and watch the show for about 15 minute until I finished my beer. We went into the room, had shower together. She gave me a BBBJ in the show for about 10 minutes. It is so good that I almost come. I ahve to stop her because I like to enjoy this I the bad. We quickly dried each other and onto the bed. She then gave me a good BBBJ for nearly 20 minutes until I come into her month. That is the best I have ever had. I wa so tired and went to sleep before she come back from the shower. She waked me up when the time is up. I give she a good tip and went back to my hotel slept until the next the.

Why morning. Ordered a taxi, from the hotel, a bluebird to the airport, total cost for the taxi was 100000.

To be contunie when I come back

[QUOTE=Jude Bright;1259104]The only thing I did not like was the covered BJ. I gave her 100000 beside the fee paid to the counter.[/QUOTE]You should not have given her that much of a tip, if at all, especially since she only gave you a covered BJ.

Now whenever a bule comes to her next time, she'll think it's perfectly normal not to give a BBBJ and that if a tip as big as yours is not given at the end of the session she will have a real bad face to you on the walk out through the elevator.

I may have tried 50 girls at Classic Terminal over the year, and none ask or insist for a covered BJ. Hell, even bareback Full Sex is on offer with nearly all of them if you can sweet-talk them into it. The only place I am forced to use it is with the import stock and high-class locals at Malioboro, Classic Bunker and Alexis.

[QUOTE=Peter Lexton;1258328]I wonder whether there would be a good "marked" for a truly skilled Dominatrix in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Peter, I doubt that anyone will answer you on the forum. You should pay Jackson his $19. 95 so that you can send and receive Private Messages. Just a suggestion.

[QUOTE=Peter Lexton;1258328]I wonder whether there would be a good "marked" for a truly skilled Dominatrix in Jakarta. As far as I know there is none?[/QUOTE]Feel like I should give you a smack or two for that mis-spelling. But then I suspect you would like it, so I won't.

Can't say for sure there is no market for such a service. A couple of the girls on the escort sites advertise that they do it, but it seems they provide the mild variety of BDSM. My ex-squeeze worked the escort thing for a couple years. Of the 100 guys that wrote to her requesting services, only a few requested light BDSM-type services. And I doubt any of them would have paid USD500-1000 for the short time privilege. Anyway, don't let that discourage you though from pursuing your dreams.

You might do better in the fantasy business. Uniforms and stuff. My ex did everything from Naughty Schoolgirl to full-blown Minnie Mouse. Given that she was a small-sized girl, her Naughty Schoolgirl getup was VERY popular with the clients. There is a great uniform shop in Plaza Semanggi where we got most of her kit. Good luck, AsianRain

My ears are still buzzing from the disco as I write this.

First time going out in Jakarta after 7 or so visits. Spent hours RTFF'ing and finally got out of my room at le Meridien at 11PM with a plan to check Tiga Puluh downstairs, then go on to Red Square disco, then onwards to Malioboro. Part I was OK, I did check the night club downstairs, a dozen girls were available, some may have been OK but anyway proceeded with Part II.

Took a 15 min cab ride to Red Square, got there around 11:30PM not much happening yet, Thursday night was "bikini night'. The place got alive around 1AM, with professional dancers on the floor and many local girls involved in talks with foreigners. 3 or 4 initiated contact with me. As I was aware that Malioboro would close at 3AM I decided to stay and take my chances, meaning scrapping the Malioboro part, even though I would really have liked to experience an MP in Jakarta.

Around 2:30AM I was involved in a close contact discussion with a nice-looking 32 yo mother of two working as a financial accountant for a US firm in Jakarta, definitely a non-pro. Started kissing and hugging, at 4AM the place closed and she suggested to continue the party at Stadium with her gorgeous friend, we would only be there for 15 minutes or so. I said fine. My plan then became a 3-some, her friend was tall, slim and just really beautiful.

We got to Stadium disco and this place reminded me of the now-defunct "Tunnel" disco in New York. Huge, packed, dark, with techno music. Got a few drinks and all 3 danced and hugged and touched. Then I ran out of cash and excused myself to go to the ATM. Of course the ATM is outside the club and was not working, by the time I got back the mother of 2 had disappeared, her friend was still there and wanted extasy. I said sorry, I have no money, which was true. She stayed with me, shared her drink, more kisses, her friend never came back but I did not care. Then she suggested we go to another place around 7AM, could not get the name.

I did get some money from an ATM near "the place", enough to get ourselves in, but she did not like the club, very dark on the 7th floor of a building, asked me if I would share an extasy pill with her, which I said no to, then she suggested we leave around 8AM. I agreed again as I thought we were going back to my room.

No such luck, once in the taxi she said she would not come to my hotel on the first night, but she would come with me tomorrow. Only problem is, I am leaving in a few hours, what can I do. Tried everything to convince her, it did not work. More kissing and hugging in the taxi, she promised to send me an email and see me next time as I took her home, in a nice, gated, residential area.

Real, real non-pros I guess. A sexless night, but enjoyable nevertheless.

Been awhile since I posted, have not been having that much time mongering. Myabe its a sign of aging. I had a business trip to Jakarta recently and stayed at Mulia, with a fun colleague we checked out CJs since it was in the hotel and we did not need to travel. Entered at 11. 30pm and immediately there were girls all around.

Well to cut the story short, most girls come to CJs from other night spots to pick up more cash from mongers who are too lazy to leave the hotel (high preference of the girls if they know you are a guest at the hotel) and high paying tourist. Charges are definately higher as Mulia is a high class hotel, many quoted 1 mil for short time. If you are new you'd probably pay it when you hook on a stunner and there were many stunners. Don't rush unless your small head is really making the decision, stay awhile longer towards closing and you can probably nab an all nighter for much less. I saw many loners holding their beers and standing alone, no need to be shy say Hi and buy the girl a drink. Have a chat, move on if she doesn't do it for you, find the right chemistry and smile, you'd probably find one or 2 or more that suits your taste.

Happy Mongering bros.

[QUOTE=Mahal; 1260775]My ears are still buzzing from the disco as I write this.

First time going out in Jakarta after 7 or so visits. Spent hours RTFF'ing and finally got out of my room at le Meridien at 11PM with a plan to check Tiga Puluh downstairs, then go on to Red Square disco, then onwards to Malioboro. Part I was OK, I did check the night club downstairs, a dozen girls were available, some may have been OK but anyway proceeded with Part II.

Took a 15 min cab ride to Red Square, got there around 11:30PM not much happening yet, Thursday night was "bikini night'. The place got alive around 1AM, with professional dancers on the floor and many local girls involved in talks with foreigners. 3 or 4 initiated contact with me. As I was aware that Malioboro would close at 3AM I decided to stay and take my chances, meaning scrapping the Malioboro part, even though I would really have liked to experience an MP in Jakarta.

Around 2:30AM I was involved in a close contact discussion with a nice-looking 32 yo mother of two working as a financial accountant for a US firm in Jakarta, definitely a non-pro. Started kissing and hugging, at 4AM the place closed and she suggested to continue the party at Stadium with her gorgeous friend, we would only be there for 15 minutes or so. I said fine. My plan then became a 3-some, her friend was tall, slim and just really beautiful.

We got to Stadium disco and this place reminded me of the now-defunct "Tunnel" disco in New York. Huge, packed, dark, with techno music. Got a few drinks and all 3 danced and hugged and touched. Then I ran out of cash and excused myself to go to the ATM. Of course the ATM is outside the club and was not working, by the time I got back the mother of 2 had disappeared, her friend was still there and wanted extasy. I said sorry, I have no money, which was true. She stayed with me, shared her drink, more kisses, her friend never came back but I did not care. Then she suggested we go to another place around 7AM, could not get the name.

I did get some money from an ATM near "the place", enough to get ourselves in, but she did not like the club, very dark on the 7th floor of a building, asked me if I would share an extasy pill with her, which I said no to, then she suggested we leave around 8AM. I agreed again as I thought we were going back to my room.

No such luck, once in the taxi she said she would not come to my hotel on the first night, but she would come with me tomorrow. Only problem is, I am leaving in a few hours, what can I do. Tried everything to convince her, it did not work. More kissing and hugging in the taxi, she promised to send me an email and see me next time as I took her home, in a nice, gated, residential area.

Real, real non-pros I guess. A sexless night, but enjoyable nevertheless.[/QUOTE]Its not that unusual for me bro. Am sure her fren might have hooked up wz a client and left the scene. Many girls would pretent non-pros, claiming they work for multi national companies and came just for drinks. I had a bitter experience from one of such types who toook me for a tour of the Jakarta! We went to many clubs and she was offering me to try the ecstasy she had. I refused her politely many times and asked her to go to the hotel, but she kept on taking me to various clubs / barrs or karaoke rooms and keeping me drinking. Atlast, I fell in her trap trying her ecstasy and found out waking up later in a karaoke room with my wallet, mobile and watch. So play safe, though Jakarta offers one of the most safe and best mongering scenes in the world with many well behaving stunners.

In Jakarta there is a very thin line between what constitutes a pro and a non-pro. At one end of the range there is the poor wee Indramayu girl in debt servitude to an industrial bordello in Kota, servicing whoever wants her and is willing to pay the mamasan the set fee, a pro obviously. At the other end are ordinary women who have jobs and careers and who might be happy to score with a guy they fancy, just like in clubs and bars back home.

Then there's the grey area, the women that have a job but need to pay school fees for the kids they have at an international school and whose husband has run off with his secretary. They're happy to meet up with guys on a Friday night but they still want some form of contribution to the household budget and would never regard themselves as what they would contemptuously call "chicken".

Then there's the party girls, who need to score for their ecstasy and aren't too particular about which bloke is going to pay for it and what's expected in return. A 32 year old mother of two with a good job taking ecstasy and picking up a bule stranger to go to Stadium might not see herself as the equivalent of the kampung lass in a goldfish in Pangeran Jayakarta but I would quibble over whether you could reasonably describe her as "non-pro".

[QUOTE=Spartan; 1260827]Been awhile since I posted, have not been having that much time mongering. Myabe its a sign of aging. I had a business trip to Jakarta recently and stayed at Mulia, with a fun colleague we checked out CJs since it was in the hotel and we did not need to travel. Entered at 11. 30pm and immediately there were girls all around.

Well to cut the story short, most girls come to CJs from other night spots to pick up more cash from mongers who are too lazy to leave the hotel (high preference of the girls if they know you are a guest at the hotel) and high paying tourist. Charges are definately higher as Mulia is a high class hotel, many quoted 1 mil for short time. If you are new you'd probably pay it when you hook on a stunner and there were many stunners. Don't rush unless your small head is really making the decision, stay awhile longer towards closing and you can probably nab an all nighter for much less. I saw many loners holding their beers and standing alone, no need to be shy say Hi and buy the girl a drink. Have a chat, move on if she doesn't do it for you, find the right chemistry and smile, you'd probably find one or 2 or more that suits your taste.

Happy Mongering bros.[/QUOTE]Hi Spartan,

I never been to CJ, but I heard that they have many WG, from local to imported girls. My friend tell me, that he got a Russian girl once here. Do you see some?

Thanks & regards.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1261510]At one end of the range there is the poor wee Indramayu girl in debt servitude to an industrial bordello in Kota, servicing whoever wants her and is willing to pay the mamasan the set fee, a pro obviously. At the other end are ordinary women who have jobs and careers and who might be happy to score with a guy they fancy, just like in clubs and bars back home.[/QUOTE]They're not all from Indramayu. I've seen Ayam from the likes of Bogor, Bandung and Surabaya at Pangeran Jayakarta and some of the Kota places. Oh, and the girl can still refuse a customer. I've seen it happen many times.

I'm just curious what kind of girls are at the middle end of the line for you?

Luggage storage in Jakarta airport.

On the way back from Bali, I stopped at Jakarta airport for 8 hours. Arrived at Jakarta at about 3:30. My next flight to Hong Kong will not leave until 12:05 in the morning. So I have about 8 hours to play. Walk out of the terminal 2 exit, U-turn immediate back into the terminal 2 arrival on you left and you will find a small office for luggage storage. 50k for 24 hours. Dropped my language, In order to save time, I took a silverbird to Oasis spa. It took about an hours and a half to get to the Oasis spa. Walking, go upstairs and get a drink. Choose the combo soapy and VIP massage for 400k. The only girl who does soapy f] at that time was a little heavy with big boob, very good for soapy. It was a good experience. Then the VIP girl was pretty 19 years old. She does not allow me to touch her during the massage. The massage was very good and I felt sleep several times during the one hours session. Finished at about 7 pm. Still feel like to have some BBBJ. Take a bluebird to Malioboro. Went to wine bar, find my little LRLR and went into the room for a long time BBBJ. Great experience.

Afraid of traffic, get a bluebird back to airport at about 10 pm. Still have two hours to spend. Find a place get some thing to eat. Then get my luggage, it is time to leave Jakarta with mission accomplished.

JB

[QUOTE=Jude Bright; 1261903]Luggage storage in Jakarta airport.

On the way back from Bali, I stopped at Jakarta airport for 8 hours. Arrived at Jakarta at about 3:30. My next flight to Hong Kong will not leave until 12:05 in the morning. So I have about 8 hours to play. Walk out of the terminal 2 exit, U-turn immediate back into the terminal 2 arrival on you left and you will find a small office for luggage storage. 50k for 24 hours. Dropped my language, In order to save time, I took a silverbird to Oasis spa. It took about an hours and a half to get to the Oasis spa. Walking, go upstairs and get a drink. Choose the combo soapy and VIP massage for 400k. The only girl who does soapy f] at that time was a little heavy with big boob, very good for soapy. It was a good experience. Then the VIP girl was pretty 19 years old. She does not allow me to touch her during the massage. The massage was very good and I felt sleep several times during the one hours session. Finished at about 7 pm. Still feel like to have some BBBJ. Take a bluebird to Malioboro. Went to wine bar, find my little LRLR and went into the room for a long time BBBJ. Great experience.

Afraid of traffic, get a bluebird back to airport at about 10 pm. Still have two hours to spend. Find a place get some thing to eat. Then get my luggage, it is time to leave Jakarta with mission accomplished.

JB[/QUOTE]To JB.

I think you are flying with Cathay Pacific I take that flight all the time it arrive Hk at 5am in the morning, but Cathay also have direct flight from Bali to HK but only once a day, if you are on connecting flight airline can check in you baggage.

Fast Eddie 48

Last week I went to Travel Hotel, jl, Mangga Besar VIII. Using a local forum as a guidance, I directly go to the billiard room and sit there. Not that long mamasan come and try to sell her girls. One girl come and sit, name Ella. Average face, small / petite body and dark skin. She offered me to take a threesome with discounted price. If I take one 300. 000 IDR, for 2 girls just 450. 000 IDR. Well, just courious because never do 3some here, I agree to take. She (Ella) proposed to take a friend of her (forget the name) , but I said to her 'can I take another girl from the same sofa / couch? '. She said that's ok, so I pointed a girl (introduced as Eci / Cici).

Go to room, take a VIP room (plus 50K). After some foreplay, BBBJ then fuck with condoms. Ella performed well, enthusiastic, but Eci's very passive. I don't know why, but the chemstry sn't good and I can not finished with ejaculation. After about 50 minutes, I got bored and stopped. They (actually Ella, then Eci followed) offer to massage me. In the end I give Ella a little more tips than Eci.

Where is the exact location of stadium?

What are good recommendations for this place?

Terminal at classic hotel is a great location with a great selection.

Good offer: 2 for 400k for a hour.

Unfortunately the commitment is quite a big spread. The girls with the worst performance (only covered BJ, just touch the breast, no GFE) are demanding the biggest tipp.

But there are also girls with great Performances, BBBJ, FS, GFE. W / o asking for extras and showing that they have a big fun.

How to find out who of the girl are committed and avoid the try and error topic?

It can be so great there, but also very much disappointing.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok; 1261996]Well, just courious because never do 3some here, I agree to take. She (Ella) proposed to take a friend of her (forget the name) , but I said to her 'can I take another girl from the same sofa / couch? '. She said that's ok, so I pointed a girl (introduced as Eci / Cici).

Ella performed well, enthusiastic, but Eci's very passive. I don't know why, but the chemstry sn't good and I can not finished with ejaculation. After about 50 minutes, I got bored and stopped. They (actually Ella, then Eci followed) offer to massage me. In the end I give Ella a little more tips than Eci.[/QUOTE]In my experiences with threesome, it would have been better if you had let Ella pick her companion. Eci probably doesn't know Ella very well so 'passive'.

[QUOTE=Turnover27; 1262029]How to find out who of the girl are committed and avoid the try and error topic?

It can be so great there, but also very much disappointing.[/QUOTE]Call me crazy but I can tell how the girl will be in the bedroom just by looking at her eyes and body language as soon as she is greeted to me by a mamasan. I've never been wrong. For me, GFE means no condoms, Deep French Kissing, cuddling and tit licking.

[QUOTE=Turnover27; 1262028]Where is the exact location of stadium?

What are good recommendations for this place?[/QUOTE]If the taxi driver doesn't know, the escape is to let him take you to hotel Mercure. If you leave the hotel, turn left, at the big crossing straight on and then the fourth alley on your left, walk 30 m and the entrance is at your left. Can't miss! Have fun.

NO

[QUOTE=Hbengkok; 1261549]Hi Spartan,

I never been to CJ, but I heard that they have many WG, from local to imported girls. My friend tell me, that he got a Russian girl once here. Do you see some?

Thanks & regards.[/QUOTE]Hey Hbengkok,

I saw many local flavours, I was there till they closed but did not see any white girls. Although local flavours included fair Chinese girls too. Very nice.

I visited Jakarta on business and started at the Ritz Carlton. As a welcome gesture, my hosts set up an in-room aroma therapy massage upon my arrival.

Beautiful petite girl. Gave me the most wonderful massage with oils. She was dressed in elegant, but loose fitting. Really it was a full body tent, as best I could figure. After starting with hot tea, I spent the next hour trying to get into her pants. To no avail!

Anyone else ever get more action there? I was shocked to only get a superb veggie massage.

[QUOTE=Spartan; 1260827]Been awhile since I posted, have not been having that much time mongering. Myabe its a sign of aging. I had a business trip to Jakarta recently and stayed at Mulia, with a fun colleague we checked out CJs since it was in the hotel and we did not need to travel. Entered at 11. 30pm and immediately there were girls all around.

Well to cut the story short, most girls come to CJs from other night spots to pick up more cash from mongers who are too lazy to leave the hotel (high preference of the girls if they know you are a guest at the hotel) and high paying tourist. Charges are definately higher as Mulia is a high class hotel, many quoted 1 mil for short time. If you are new you'd probably pay it when you hook on a stunner and there were many stunners. Don't rush unless your small head is really making the decision, stay awhile longer towards closing and you can probably nab an all nighter for much less. I saw many loners holding their beers and standing alone, no need to be shy say Hi and buy the girl a drink. Have a chat, move on if she doesn't do it for you, find the right chemistry and smile, you'd probably find one or 2 or more that suits your taste.

Happy Mongering bros.[/QUOTE]Indeed on the Shooter's recent visit CJ's was far superior to BATS. More girls and better quality. The set-up with long tables is excellent for mingling. There is even a quiet room for an intimate tête-a-tête. The Shooter was tempted by a mega-titted floozy at the back bar. She was entertained by a stream of suitors but apparently none could match her price. While waiting his turn he was tempted by a smaller but still ample cleavage. The wicked smile and the long tongue were the clinching factors. She passed the interview with flying colours; her body kanguage was particularly persuasive. Back in the room she wrapped that tongue around the Shooter's staff then mounted it bareback. In short, a night of utter debauchery that the Shooter would like to repeat as soon as humanly possible. The damage requested in the late morn was 1. 5 mill, negotiated down to 1.25M.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok; 1261549]Hi Spartan,

I never been to CJ, but I heard that they have many WG, from local to imported girls. My friend tell me, that he got a Russian girl once here. Do you see some?

Thanks & regards.[/QUOTE]At CJ I have seen only local girls (maybe also some Chinese and Thai) If you are looking for a different taste, try Malioboro (Jl Gadja Madah 13). Here you can find all colors, from black Papua ladies to white and blond Russians and everything in between.

Have fun,

NO

[QUOTE=Non Olet; 1263639]At CJ I have seen only local girls (maybe also some Chinese and Thai) If you are looking for a different taste, try Malioboro (Jl Gadja Madah 13). Here you can find all colors, from black Papua ladies to white and blond Russians and everything in between.

Have fun,

NO[/QUOTE]Not specifically reacting to you, NO, but more in general. I have read many posts from guys who come to Indonesia and then are prepared to pay (much) more for Uzbek and other imported girls. I'm slightly confused by this. Why bother to travel all the way to Indonesia when you can go to, for instance, Uzbekistan or even Kazakhstan (I have been there a number of times and enjoyed various Kazakh girls)? When I'm in Indonesia I prefer Indonesian girls. Many shapes and sizes, many of them quite delectable and available at reasonable rates, as opposed to the import girls.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1261906]To JB.

I think you are flying with Cathay Pacific I take that flight all the time it arrive Hk at 5am in the morning, but Cathay also have direct flight from Bali to HK but only once a day, if you are on connecting flight airline can check in you baggage.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I was on different flight because the two legs were bought by two different companies. Thansk for the info.

JB

[QUOTE=Lucky21; 1263507]I visited Jakarta on business and started at the Ritz Carlton. As a welcome gesture, my hosts set up an in-room aroma therapy massage upon my arrival.

Beautiful petite girl. Gave me the most wonderful massage with oils. She was dressed in elegant, but loose fitting. Really it was a full body tent, as best I could figure. After starting with hot tea, I spent the next hour trying to get into her pants. To no avail!

Anyone else ever get more action there? I was shocked to only get a superb veggie massage.[/QUOTE]Shocked? What were your expectations on going to Indonesia? Every woman throwing herself at you?

Most massage girls are just that: massage girls, and many of them very good at their job. Some of the massage girls will provide, either when asked or of their own accord, an extra service; either massage+ (HJ) or massage++ (FS).

Obviously your massage lady was just that. You let your imagination run wild and then were utterly surprised when she did not want to provide extras ("To no avail!"). Better to reign in your imagination; prevents disappointments.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel;1263645]I have read many posts from guys who come to Indonesia and then are prepared to pay (much) more for Uzbek and other imported girls. Why bother to travel all the way to Indonesia when you can go to, for instance, Uzbekistan or even Kazakhstan (I have been there a number of times and enjoyed various Kazakh girls)?[/QUOTE]ALWAYS get them in their home country. The ones who travel for work are the ones who are the hardcore pros. Like the Uzbekis in Almaty. Or in Dushanbe, but there with such a shortage of Tajik girls working, sometimes the Uzbekis are the only option. Anyhow, to seek out FSU women in Indonesia in insane.

Spartan and Non Olet, Thank you for your info guys. About malio, yes I have been there too but nowadays they only limited amount of white girls. Back then about 3 years ago, there were abundant beautifull & young girls from Russia.

I won't comment on KK, because I am local. But from what I read, looks like more difficult to bang girls in their home country (I. E. In Usbek) , because selling sex's discreet. Also bring the girls to hotel / apartment maybe make a trouble. That's why I shop here and plan to go to germany for that.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1263645]Not specifically reacting to you, NO, but more in general. I have read many posts from guys who come to Indonesia and then are prepared to pay (much) more for Uzbek and other imported girls. I'm slightly confused by this. Why bother to travel all the way to Indonesia when you can go to, for instance, Uzbekistan or even Kazakhstan (I have been there a number of times and enjoyed various Kazakh girls)? When I'm in Indonesia I prefer Indonesian girls. Many shapes and sizes, many of them quite delectable and available at reasonable rates, as opposed to the import girls.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]I couln't agree more. When I stay in Beijing I want a Chinese girl (or Mongolian) and when I want a white girl I get her in Europe. There are so many beautifull Indonesian girls to choose from in Indonesia.

And btw Hbengkok, I have never had any problem having an Indonesian gal to follow me neither have I had any trouble with a hotel. I experienced that long ago the reception in some Beijing hotels made more problems with Chinese girls than with Mongolians, but everything has changed since the Olympics.

Have fun,

NO

Hey guys coming to Jakarta in May, seem like my kinda place for mongering / partying with similar party-expat scene as Beijing or perhaps Hong Kong.

By reading / searching the forum I have shortlisted: Bats &Top Gun for early evening socializing / drinking / hang out, Blok M, Red Square, X2 for late night clubbing / pick up and Malioboro / Malio, Dragon Fly, Aphrodite for mixed bordello / club teasing / entertainment / pick up.

Question:I love girls with big firm silicone boobs, the more barbie / porn look (long nails, lotsa make-up, high heels, shaved pussies) the better, is there any of the above or other places that are better finding this do you think? I am not afraid to pay higher prices to find what I am looking for. I am not a fan of pure massage-places or escort agencies but want to chat up the girl myself. Thanks

[QUOTE=Wiild;1264098]Question:I love girls with big firm silicone boobs, the more barbie / porn look (long nails, lotsa make-up, high heels, shaved pussies)[/QUOTE]Silicone boobs in Jakarta? That's very rare. For hot barbies with silicone boobs, you might want to try Venezuela. But if you are in Jakarta, you can find some non-silicone boob chicks who kind of have the "porn look" at the places you listed. On a side note, I wouldn't waste my time going to Aphrodite to try to pick up chicks. Great place to watch sports or grab a bite to eat, but not a good pickup spot. I've been there over 100 times since I live near, and I've never picked a girl up there, but I guess it's possible. Then again, it's possible to pick up a girl at a McDonald's, KFC or anywhere else in town as well.

[QUOTE=Wiild; 1264098]Hey guys coming to Jakarta in May, seem like my kinda place for mongering / partying with similar party-expat scene as Beijing or perhaps Hong Kong.

By reading / searching the forum I have shortlisted: Bats &Top Gun for early evening socializing / drinking / hang out, Blok M, Red Square, X2 for late night clubbing / pick up and Malioboro / Malio, Dragon Fly, Aphrodite for mixed bordello / club teasing / entertainment / pick up.

Question:I love girls with big firm silicone boobs, the more barbie / porn look (long nails, lotsa make-up, high heels, shaved pussies) the better, is there any of the above or other places that are better finding this do you think? I am not afraid to pay higher prices to find what I am looking for. I am not a fan of pure massage-places or escort agencies but want to chat up the girl myself. Thanks[/QUOTE]Realistically, there aren't many places in Jakarta where you can find what you're looking for, nor are there many girls who fit that description as well. Jakarta is not exactly crawling with girls with "big firm silicone boobs"

Your best bet would be to contact Jakarta After Dark 2 (you can find his ads in the Classified section) ; if anyone can help you find what you're looking for, it would be him. Highly recommended by me and many other Senior Members on this board.

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I just checked the Classified Ads section and had trouble finding jakartaafterdark dot com's ads. To save time, your best bet is to go to the Classified section and click on the "last" page as you'll find an old ad there and the address to his website.

[QUOTE=Lucky21;1263507]I visited Jakarta on business and started at the Ritz Carlton. Anyone else ever get more action there? I was shocked to only get a superb veggie massage.[/QUOTE]The Ritz Carlton is a 5-star hotel. I may have lived a very sheltered life, but it has been my experience that the in-house massage services in such establishments are squeaky clean, whether NYC, London, Berlin, Beijing or Jakarta.

On the odd occasion I have stayed in such a place and felt the need to scratch an itch, I have asked the concierge to fix me up. Using this route, I have never been disappointed.

[QUOTE=Dazednconfused;1264365]The Ritz Carlton is a 5-star hotel. I may have lived a very sheltered life, but it has been my experience that the in-house massage services in such establishments are squeaky clean, whether NYC, London, Berlin, Beijing or Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Maybe it holds for NYC, London, Berlin and Beijing, but there have been frequent posts by people on this forum by people who have had FS from inhouse massage services at top rated hotels. It's the dirty little secret of Jakarta's hotel industry. I didn't think that the OP's expectations were that unreasonable. I certainly don't blame him for trying. Probably if he'd talked to her for longer, she would have got a friend to do the FS for her.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1264368]Maybe it holds for NYC, London, Berlin and Beijing, but there have been frequent posts by people on this forum by people who have had FS from inhouse massage services at top rated hotels. It's the dirty little secret of Jakarta's hotel industry. I didn't think that the OP's expectations were that unreasonable. I certainly don't blame him for trying. Probably if he'd talked to her for longer, she would have got a friend to do the FS for her.[/QUOTE]In many 5 star hotels in SE Asia, I've experienced not-so-squeaky-clean action and thought the Ritz might be similar. In this case, I did talk to her and attempted to politely engage her physically, but she demurred. This hotel does have wg in the bar and I have had no trouble bringing wgs back at night, but the in-house appears legit.

[QUOTE=Dazednconfused; 1264365]The Ritz Carlton is a 5-star hotel. I may have lived a very sheltered life, but it has been my experience that the in-house massage services in such establishments are squeaky clean, whether NYC, London, Berlin, Beijing or Jakarta.

On the odd occasion I have stayed in such a place and felt the need to scratch an itch, I have asked the concierge to fix me up. Using this route, I have never been disappointed.[/QUOTE]It's possible to get FS. Even in 5 star hotels; it does however very from girl to girl, so not necessarily all will be open to this. I have managed (in my dark and shady past) to obtain such services in Mulia, Intercontinental and Grand Hyatt. Hence I would have thought you can always try. The simplest way is to build up a friendly banter and let the girl get comfortable with you. If she's at all open to suggestion, she'll certainly be more likely to open up if she sees you as a nice, friendly sort. I would like to point out that these are hardly the most economical places to fulfill one's needs... :p

MD II

[QUOTE=Wiild;1264098]Question:I love girls with big firm silicone boobs, the more barbie / porn look (long nails, lotsa make-up, high heels, shaved pussies) the better, I am not afraid to pay higher prices to find what I am looking for. I am not a fan of pure massage-places or escort agencies but want to chat up the girl myself. Thanks[/QUOTE]Well I am no expert on Indonesian siliconians but have been to Alexis Hotel in N. Jakarta and I think you will find what you want there for $100 USD. The girls are segregated by country in the bar / sitting area. The biggest boobs were Indos but there was this real tall Chinese barbie with big tits.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1264432]Well I am no expert on Indonesian siliconians but have been to Alexis Hotel in N. Jakarta and I think you will find what you want there for $100 USD. The girls are segregated by country in the bar / sitting area. The biggest boobs were Indos but there was this real tall Chinese barbie with big tits.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Gents,

I am a fan of big boob girl too. I am going to Jakarta in May. 2012 as the newbee and start to learn the rope of this city by RTFF and other sources in the great Internet available. From what I read all along that Alexis girls are the most expensive in town and a $100usd may Not able to have an Indo girl or I miss something here? Anyways, Alexis bathhouse is quite interesting and worth a visit as I am a big fan of Thai's MP. In Bangkok.

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1264432]Well I am no expert on Indonesian siliconians but have been to Alexis Hotel in N. Jakarta and I think you will find what you want there for $100 USD. The girls are segregated by country in the bar / sitting area. The biggest boobs were Indos but there was this real tall Chinese barbie with big tits.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure about $100 USD at Alexis. I thought the price there was $200 USD even for local girls. I know the imports are that much.

Malioboro has the same type of girls on offer. There was a gorgeous big breasted Russian there the other day with a tight body. I'd rate her a 9/10 in looks and that's rare in Indonesia. $200 USD for an hour. One of the local indo girls there had quite big breasts as well, but I wouldn't call her a barbie, she was too short to be called that. The locals there are $100 USD for an hour.

But both Alexis and Malioboro are knock shops. In house, 1 hour, 1 pop, with a condom.

The last time I looked in Hartono's, they had a girl in there who had a great body with big breasts. I think the price was about $300 (3 million rupiah) for something like 6 hours.

Smoothy

About 4 months back I recall having picked up an Indo girl in Alexis. I think they charged me around 900K. That was on the 7th floor. The Chinese helicopter massage in the 5th floor was@Rp. 1,953, 000 to be exact for 90 minutes. The mamasan in the 5th floor managing the Chinese girls told me that if I have second pop, ten I can tip the girl well and no need to ego since the girl does not know the language. I had a second pop with the Chinese girl and tipped her 150K and she seemed thrilled. I don't think this seemingly friendly guidance by the mamasans in the 7th floor is given. I picked up a Uzbek once and she was like a dead log and after one pop, she's gone. Does not even sit after the pop. From ten on, I prefer the 5th floor in Alexis.

Cheers

Thanks for the input all, I appreciate it! Alexis, Malioboro / Malio Club seems interesting silicone / barbie looks wise, I will check them out, but as I like the party / pick up / tease: BATS and Red Square seems to be more of my kinda places.

One of advantages that Indonesia has (over for example, Thailand) is that great boobs are part of the unaltered package. TTG

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1265145]One of advantages that Indonesia has (over for example, Thailand) is that great boobs are part of the unaltered package. TTG[/QUOTE]Gents,

I hope that you are right on that Indo. Girl does not need the silicone implant into their boobs. I have seen quite a few good size D cup in Bangkok too. Typically, they are in the high end M. P. In Bangkok. I shall be in Jakarta in May 2012 and check out the boob size situations in there

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1265145]One of advantages that Indonesia has (over for example, Thailand) is that great boobs are part of the unaltered package. TTG[/QUOTE]I heard the [B]exact [/B]same thing. Must be a rumor, huh!

I think Wiild wants them boobs to be big and especially FIRM. Big you can get easily in Jakarta. But are they firm and pouting? My experience in Jakarta: very rare.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer them natural. For those who know Spanish: I call the girls with silicones: sillytontas instead of siliconas.

[QUOTE=Menteng; 1265217]I think Wiild wants them boobs to be big and especially FIRM. Big you can get easily in Jakarta. But are they firm and pouting? My experience in Jakarta: very rare.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer them natural. For those who know Spanish: I call the girls with silicones: sillytontas instead of siliconas.[/QUOTE]Mentang, I understood what Wiild was asking about. Just don't understand WHY you would go for 'them! TTG

Thought of sharing an experience from CJs with fellow mongers. CJs always been the best clubs with a great band and handful of "Collectives" in Jakarta. Its my favourite bar all the time and is a regular when ever in Jakarta. I always use to get my "Ones" from here. Language is not a barrier and some of them are highly educated and work for MNCs. I had once a bad experience from a girl which seems to be the most popular there. Her name is Ic*ah. Slim, petite and elegantly dressed. Am sure some of the regular CJs patrons knows her now by name. She drives expensive cars and wears branded gears.

I hooked up her last time, was out knowing much about her. Donation confirmed at 1 minute Rupia (the standard gifts in CJs). She drove me to my hotel and had dinner on the way. Was taking care of was a real GF attitude. The story turned around once we were at the hotel. She asked for the money and I gave her promptly, trusting on her good attitude. Started foreplay, DFK wasn't allowed. Once undressed, the body wasnt that impressive, with small tits. When I started getting in to real action, then started the chaos. She rushed as if she is not interested in sex, started her melodrama stories about sick mom, low wages, blah, blah. She suddenly started weeping and asked me if she cud leave as she can't do IT. Big mistake! Normally I don't pay upfront and this turned out to be the first and last. Started crying and begging not to take back her money as she need to pay her car bills next day and the list goes on. Couldn't take it and just kicked her out of the room. Later I found out from other girls as its her regular mode. She is married to an African money launderer who is in jails now and she is in to the scene for her petty cash. Anyway, beware guys.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1265217]I think Wiild wants them boobs to be big and especially FIRM. Big you can get easily in Jakarta. But are they firm and pouting? My experience in Jakarta: very rare.[/QUOTE]Most of the big tits I've come across in Jakarta have been saggy and shapeless. Give me small, pointy and shapely any day. Case in point: try Atih in Berlian. Lovely little B-cups, pointy nipples, large brown circle around them.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1265504]Most of the big tits I've come across in Jakarta have been saggy and shapeless. Give me small, pointy and shapely any day. Case in point: try Atih in Berlian. Lovely little B-cups, pointy nipples, large brown circle around them.[/QUOTE]Jakarta tits!

Enjoy

Ildom

[QUOTE=Dudecool2009; 1265416]Thought of sharing an experience from CJs with fellow mongers. CJs always been the best clubs with a great band and handful of "Collectives" in Jakarta. Its my favourite bar all the time and is a regular when ever in Jakarta. I always use to get my "Ones" from here. Language is not a barrier and some of them are highly educated and work for MNCs. I had once a bad experience from a girl which seems to be the most popular there. Her name is Ic*ah. Slim, petite and elegantly dressed. Am sure some of the regular CJs patrons knows her now by name. She drives expensive cars and wears branded gears.

I hooked up her last time, was out knowing much about her. Donation confirmed at 1 minute Rupia (the standard gifts in CJs). She drove me to my hotel and had dinner on the way. Was taking care of was a real GF attitude. The story turned around once we were at the hotel. She asked for the money and I gave her promptly, trusting on her good attitude. Started foreplay, DFK wasn't allowed. Once undressed, the body wasnt that impressive, with small tits. When I started getting in to real action, then started the chaos. She rushed as if she is not interested in sex, started her melodrama stories about sick mom, low wages, blah, blah. She suddenly started weeping and asked me if she cud leave as she can't do IT. Big mistake! Normally I don't pay upfront and this turned out to be the first and last. Started crying and begging not to take back her money as she need to pay her car bills next day and the list goes on. Couldn't take it and just kicked her out of the room. Later I found out from other girls as its her regular mode. She is married to an African money launderer who is in jails now and she is in to the scene for her petty cash. Anyway, beware guys.[/QUOTE]If you want to warn others, why use *? Just mention her name completelly.

[QUOTE=Dom Perignon; 1265512]Jakarta tits!

Enjoy

Ildom[/QUOTE]I stand corrected.

More tits!

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1265245]Mentang, I understood what Wiild was asking about. Just don't understand WHY you would go for 'them! TTG[/QUOTE]Neither do I! On my home turf, Colombia, too many times the sillytontas prevented me from squeezing their fake-tits.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1265568]If you want to warn others, why use *? Just mention her name completelly.[/QUOTE]Sorry bro. Didn't thought about it. Ichah (not sure about spelling.) is her name.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1265600]Neither do I! On my home turf, Colombia, too many times the sillytontas prevented me from squeezing their fake-tits.[/QUOTE]I have to agree: give me the small cute and perky any day.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1265568]If you want to warn others, why use *? Just mention her name completelly.[/QUOTE]Yes please disclose her name so we can really beware.

MD II

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1265694]I have to agree: give me the small cute and perky any day.

MD II[/QUOTE]Hear hear! Well spoken, good sir. Most Indonesian girls I have enjoyed were small to medium breasted and thorougly enjoyable.

Anything more than a handful is a waste IMHO.

Regards,

Ko

I know this question isn't mongering related, but does anyone know if there's in Jakarta any place where we can buy pirate software? Something like Pantip Plaza in Bangkok.

You can buy pirate software at Mal Ambassador or Ratu Plaza.

[QUOTE=Gladiator;1265909]I know this question isn't mongering related, but does anyone know if there's in Jakarta any place where we can buy pirate software? Something like Pantip Plaza in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]If you stay in the northern part of Jakarta, as far as I know, Mangga Dua Mall (not WTC Mangga Dua!) , next to Le Grandeur hotel (Dusit) , is also a centre of hardware and pirated software.

[QUOTE=Dudecool2009;1265628]Sorry bro. Didn't thought about it. Ichah (not sure about spelling.) is her name.[/QUOTE]Hmm, I was with an Ichah in CJ's a while back. Is she early 20's? Do you have her mobile number? The one I have ends with 6552.

[QUOTE=Liondale;1265981]Hmm, I was with an Ichah in CJ's a while back. Is she early 20's? Do you have her mobile number? The one I have ends with 6552.[/QUOTE]Hi Liondale,

Sorry bro. I deleted her number. But you can spot her at their very first long counter at the entrance, on your left side. She is always seen among a group of so called "high end". I met her couple of times at CJs later but didn't bothered. You can ask for any waiters (may be Veena.) at CJs. She is quite famous there.

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[QUOTE=Dudecool2009; 1266068]Hi Liondale,

Sorry bro. I deleted her number. But you can spot her at their very first long counter at the entrance, on your left side. She is always seen among a group of so called "high end". I met her couple of times at CJs later but didn't bothered. You can ask for any waiters (may be Veena.) at CJs. She is quite famous there.[/QUOTE]No worries, quite sure it is the same.

I remember her skin was of the softest I have ever felt, might even have a photo of her somewhere, will try to dig it up. I was with her twice, once in an 3-some with her and a less attractive gf she had. She was really trying to avoid doing anything at all so the session was very much saved by the friend. Then a few months later she came to me and seemed quite desperate to get some cash, but I was rejecting her a while based on her previous performance but admittedly also found her among the most attractive there. So after a stern talk with her about my expectations we went up again. This time her performance was ok, although I did remind her a couple of times of what we had agreed to and took control. But I will not take her again, especially not after what you wrote, too much risk when there are plenty of others that will do their best for you.

BTW has the CJ prices gone up last couple of years, I was there last I think 2 years back and would typically pay somewhere between 700k-850k. I remember reading about guys paying less, and I did also occasionally pay more. All a matter of supply and demand and in some cases tunnel vision.

Yeah. Its the same Ichah. Great look, tall, model like body and elegance in walk and talk, but attitude sucks. She is always surrounded by her group of girls.

The prices in CJs cud range from 500k to 1 mln for overnight, depending the girl and the time at night. Normaly they start with 1. 2 mln and we cud close the deal for 1 mln for quality ones and 500 or less for the Kampung girls. Personally, CJs is still the best comparing Shagri la or others. It closes at 3 and you can see all the left overs proceeing to Red Square and Stadium.

[QUOTE=Liondale; 1266254]No worries, quite sure it is the same.

I remember her skin was of the softest I have ever felt, might even have a photo of her somewhere, will try to dig it up. I was with her twice, once in an 3-some with her and a less attractive GF she had. She was really trying to avoid doing anything at all so the session was very much saved by the friend. Then a few months later she came to me and seemed quite desperate to get some cash, but I was rejecting her a while based on her previous performance but admittedly also found her among the most attractive there. So after a stern talk with her about my expectations we went up again. This time her performance was ok, although I did remind her a couple of times of what we had agreed to and took control. But I will not take her again, especially not after what you wrote, too much risk when there are plenty of others that will do their best for you.

BTW has the CJ prices gone up last couple of years, I was there last I think 2 years back and would typically pay somewhere between 700k-850k. I remember reading about guys paying less, and I did also occasionally pay more. All a matter of supply and demand and in some cases tunnel vision.[/QUOTE]

Is this the Icha you are talking about?

[QUOTE=Liondale;1266254]BTW has the CJ prices gone up last couple of years, I was there last I think 2 years back and would typically pay somewhere between 700k-850k. I remember reading about guys paying less, and I did also occasionally pay more. All a matter of supply and demand and in some cases tunnel vision.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dudecool2009;1266487]The prices in CJs cud range from 500k to 1 mln for overnight, depending the girl and the time at night. Normally they start with 1. 2 mln and we cud close the deal for 1 mln for quality ones and 500 or less for the Kampung girls. Personally, CJs is still the best comparing Shagri la or others. It closes at 3 and you can see all the left overs proceeing to Red Square and Stadium.[/QUOTE]Liondale, long time no see bro. Are you still based in KL?

While we're talking about prices in CJs, it also depends on how they read you as a punter. Are you experienced in Jakarta or a newbie? Do you know your prices? Are you confident with what you say? Is it getting late? What other prospects do there seem to be in the bar? After getting friendly with a couple of them (always try and act the gentleman even if things weren't great. I will talk very frankly and just say maybe we're just not compatible, but now that you know what I'm like, let me know whether you have any friends who might be a good match) and I can always get a decent price (max 700k a night, sometimes 500k) from them or their friends that they recommend.

Incidentally, I noticed that the FLs are also wandering onto my favourite dating site; I discovered this by meeting a couple of them for dates (including one a couple of days ago) and they told me, very straightforwardly, that they were in this for money (although they also enjoy some fun). I was horrified to hear some of the prices quoted (1 million ST was considered normal) and duly informed them that it was too high in this market when students (who were prettier with better bodies) were available for 300k. It was not well received by one of them who responded: go and call one of those students then! Ah well, you can't win them all. Thankfully, there are plenty of lovely luscious ladies out there to choose from, so you can have the confidence to walk away and find someone else.

MD II

What up Guys,

Just wonted to see if anybody can give me some good escort service that is around E150. 00 for 2 hours.

Been reading what's on here, But a lot off them are old and not up to date. Are and good Termas, that won't break the bank and.

Still get a good looking girly.

Thanks.

Robert

Tits is it? How about these two 19 year old cousins?

These weren't bad either.

I've seen worse.

From a few years ago.

I'd forgotten how hot she looked, bit of a starfish in the sack unfortunately.

Another one from back in the day.

Cowabunga!

Last two (four?). Come on lads let's get the tit pictures out.

Thanks Dorman, great initiative and you should be rewarded, although there actually is photo section for this. No I am not complaining, I cheer anyone posting photos. Just saying.

And thanks MDII and Dudecool, sounds like the prices are quite as they used to. I would also put a limit for myself at CJ's at 750k, but have to admit I have sometimes gone for more. That said, agree with MDII, be cool and friendly and just state that sadly that is not what you are looking to spend, and most of the times you will see them give you discount.

And yes MDII, been way too long. I am still in KL and heading to Jakarta soon probably in 2 weeks, if you are there we should meet!

Smoothy: Not the same Ichah I met.

[QUOTE=Rjm1234; 1266638]What up Guys,

Just wonted to see if anybody can give me some good escort service that is around E150. 00 for 2 hours.

Been reading what's on here, But a lot off them are old and not up to date. Are and good Termas, that won't break the bank and.

Still get a good looking girly.

Thanks.

Robert[/QUOTE]Robert, you posted this in the Jakarta section. Only missed by half a planet. In Jakarta, you can get a girl to spend the entire night with you for 1/3 that amount.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1266596]Is this the Icha you are talking about?[/QUOTE]No smoothy. Its not the one I was mentioning. She is tall. Am sorry, cudnt take a picture.

[QUOTE=Liondale;1266746]Smoothy: Not the same Ichah I met.[/QUOTE]Good to know. That's the only Icha I knew who frequented CJ's about a year ago, and I heard she got married recently and moved to Aussie. Icha is a popular name in Indonesia for sure.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1266775]Good to know. That's the only Icha I knew who frequented CJ's about a year ago, and I heard she got married recently and moved to Aussie. Icha is a popular name in Indonesia for sure.[/QUOTE]Could still be the girl Dudecool met though. Yeah seems like there are a lot of Ichah's chances are we all have met different ones.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1266648]Tits is it? How about these two 19 year old cousins?[/QUOTE]I love when come to duo. Nice presentation along with set of rack.

Must be a hell of a ride for both as I remember mine. Wish I have.

The same if am there. Anyway great FR and Pic Bro.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1266673]Last two (four?). Come on lads let's get the tit pictures out.[/QUOTE]A few from the archive.

Was lucky enough to be in Jakarta Sunday so spent half the day at the Classic Hotel. I love this place, even more than Hotel Travel.

The first girl I had was called Sevy; great BBBJ, the rest pretty standard.

The second girl was called Daisy. Despite nice thick lips her BJ wasn't great but the rest was very good.

Each time cost was about 300k all in. I would say both girls were 7-8; slim, perky (but small) tits, tan skin, good face, long hair.

I will try to visit this place everytime I'm in Jakarta.

The Shooter was staying at the Ritz Carlton in Mega Kuningan. In need of a massage but not inclined to spend the money needed for hotel services or the time needed for Delta Spa or for travel further afield.

Instead he ambled to the Bellagio Mall. Went to an unprepossessing place on the left side (not the spa on a lower floor). IDR90K for 90min. Cheap and cheerful. Massage lady older but doable if you're feeling frisky.

Excellent massage. No monkey business although the massage covered every square centimetre around the genitals without actually touching. Naturally this engendered a full tent-pole but she was probably waiting for the nod from the Shooter to proceed with a happy ending. He considered requesting a balls massage in Thai style but in the end decided to keep his powder dry for that evening.

Recommended.

The Shooter and the Accountant decided on a post-work drink at this upscale bar in Mega Kuningan. The place was heaving with young professionals. The Shooter used his tactical positioning skills to select the long bench near the bar as the base of operations. They squeezed in next to some local girls in their 30's who were guzzling champers.

The Accountant never makes the first move, so it was the Shooter's role to initiate proceedings. An intelligent conversation followed but the Shooter sensed that nothing more would follow. Then another 2 girls sat beside them on the other side, one just the Shooter's type and the other a BBW accompanied by a middle aged Japanese guy.

The Shooter moved to initiate contact with the cutie but she immediately locked on to the Accountant and within minutes they were getting on like a house on fire. With the Accountant's reserved persona, this was an unprecedented turn of events. The cutie was no WG; she ran her own business and drove a Honda CRV.

The Shooter was a bit miffed so he went back to the hotel to freshen up. On his return to Loewys the first 2 girls had been joined by a 3rd highly attractive girl and they had moved on from the champagne to a bottle of Grey Goose. It was clear that tonight would be a big session for them. The Shooter sensed an opportunity and sure enough the 3rd girl was very friendly. Unfortunately he was dragged back to the Accountant's group, where the Japanese guy had left and another fat girl had joined.

It was evident that all 3 girls in the Accountant's group were gagging for some bule action. The script was clear: the Accountant would take the cute one and the Shooter could take his pick of the fat ones, or even take both. That was a problem, because from the Shooter's perspective both were unshaggable for aesthetic reasons. However, the Accountant was enamoured of his cutie and good form dictated that the Shooter should 'take one for the team'. The Shooter recalled the advice of his sagacious uncle from Yorkshire: 'if you think a lass is too ugly to shag, you haven't drunk enough yet'.

So he chugged down a few and before long they were all in the CRV headed for CJ's. What a place – pulsating with a plethora of pulchritude. The spell was broken when the fat girls began dirty dancing with the Shooter. He decided there was no fucking way he was going to fuck Daisy the Whale, even with a zillion beers. In a stroke of genius he called a colleague, a tightwad and a congenitally boring bastard, who would be unable to resist the lure of a free fuck.

Sure enough he arrived within 30 minutes and engaged with the porkies. The Shooter, thus unencumbered, latched onto a firm-breasted lassie with a sweet yet dirty smile (not to mention an elongated tongue). A night of sexual excess followed, which was of course not free, and the Shooter probably overpaid a tad with a 1. 25M reward at noon the next day.

The Accountant got his 'freebie' but the evening cost him 3. 5M in drinks and food. He did however get a 'tier 1' experience from the sex-starved cutie. The quiet efficiency of the housekeeping staff at the Ritz Carlton was required to replace the drenched sheets. The texts, BBMs and emails continue to flow.

The tightwad showed his usual boring indecision and the two fatties went unfucked.

A great night in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Frankie555;1266962]A few from the archive.[/QUOTE]Muantapp! !

[QUOTE=Double Shooter;1267247]the evening cost him 3. 5M in drinks and food.[/QUOTE]I would have felt too sick to shag after that.

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1267247]The Shooter and the Accountant decided on a post-work drink at this upscale bar in Mega Kuningan. The place was heaving with young professionals. The Shooter used his tactical positioning skills to select the long bench near the bar as the base of operations. They squeezed in next to some local girls in their 30's who were guzzling champers.

The Accountant never makes the first move, so it was the Shooter's role to initiate proceedings. An intelligent conversation followed but the Shooter sensed that nothing more would follow. Then another 2 girls sat beside them on the other side, one just the Shooter's type and the other a BBW accompanied by a middle aged Japanese guy.

The Shooter moved to initiate contact with the cutie but she immediately locked on to the Accountant and within minutes they were getting on like a house on fire. With the Accountant's reserved persona, this was an unprecedented turn of events. The cutie was no WG; she ran her own business and drove a Honda CRV.

The Shooter was a bit miffed so he went back to the hotel to freshen up. On his return to Loewys the first 2 girls had been joined by a 3rd highly attractive girl and they had moved on from the champagne to a bottle of Grey Goose. It was clear that tonight would be a big session for them. The Shooter sensed an opportunity and sure enough the 3rd girl was very friendly. Unfortunately he was dragged back to the Accountant's group, where the Japanese guy had left and another fat girl had joined.

It was evident that all 3 girls in the Accountant's group were gagging for some bule action. The script was clear: the Accountant would take the cute one and the Shooter could take his pick of the fat ones, or even take both. That was a problem, because from the Shooter's perspective both were unshaggable for aesthetic reasons. However, the Accountant was enamoured of his cutie and good form dictated that the Shooter should 'take one for the team'. The Shooter recalled the advice of his sagacious uncle from Yorkshire: 'if you think a lass is too ugly to shag, you haven't drunk enough yet'.

So he chugged down a few and before long they were all in the CRV headed for CJ's. What a place – pulsating with a plethora of pulchritude. The spell was broken when the fat girls began dirty dancing with the Shooter. He decided there was no fucking way he was going to fuck Daisy the Whale, even with a zillion beers. In a stroke of genius he called a colleague, a tightwad and a congenitally boring bastard, who would be unable to resist the lure of a free fuck.

Sure enough he arrived within 30 minutes and engaged with the porkies. The Shooter, thus unencumbered, latched onto a firm-breasted lassie with a sweet yet dirty smile (not to mention an elongated tongue). A night of sexual excess followed, which was of course not free, and the Shooter probably overpaid a tad with a 1. 25M reward at noon the next day.

The Accountant got his 'freebie' but the evening cost him 3. 5M in drinks and food. He did however get a 'tier 1' experience from the sex-starved cutie. The quiet efficiency of the housekeeping staff at the Ritz Carlton was required to replace the drenched sheets. The texts, BBMs and emails continue to flow.

The tightwad showed his usual boring indecision and the two fatties went unfucked.

A great night in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Good manuveurs. But a bit pricey in the end?

WG

[QUOTE=Wine Guy 247;1267504]But a bit pricey in the end?[/QUOTE]In fairness the accountant would no doubt price in the food and drinks as normal expenses that might be run up in any decent night out and offset them against costs directly related to shagging the lady. However I'm a bit alarmed at the figure of 1. 25 m which appears to have been paid direct to the CJ's lady, that's a wee bit over the top, and what's with the 0. 25 juta? Wouldn't a cool mill have sufficed, even that is too much, no wonder I haven't been to CJ's in years, too many guys with more money than sense.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1267733]In fairness the accountant would no doubt price in the food and drinks as normal expenses that might be run up in any decent night out and offset them against costs directly related to shagging the lady. However I'm a bit alarmed at the figure of 1. 25 m which appears to have been paid direct to the CJ's lady, that's a wee bit over the top, and what's with the 0. 25 juta? Wouldn't a cool mill have sufficed, even that is too much, no wonder I haven't been to CJ's in years, too many guys with more money than sense.[/QUOTE]I haven't been down to the Block for a while, now. But people tell me that they get knocked back with an offer of 6-7 hundred thou these days. Don't know what this country is coming to.

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1267234]The Shooter was staying at the Ritz Carlton in Mega Kuningan. In need of a massage but not inclined to spend the money needed for hotel services or the time needed for Delta Spa or for travel further afield.

Instead he ambled to the Bellagio Mall. Went to an unprepossessing place on the left side (not the spa on a lower floor). IDR90K for 90min. Cheap and cheerful. Massage lady older but doable if you're feeling frisky.

Excellent massage. No monkey business although the massage covered every square centimetre around the genitals without actually touching. Naturally this engendered a full tent-pole but she was probably waiting for the nod from the Shooter to proceed with a happy ending. He considered requesting a balls massage in Thai style but in the end decided to keep his powder dry for that evening.

Recommended.[/QUOTE]Good to know about the Bellagio place.

For what it's worth, the Ritz Carlton is a 2-minute drive (and a 5-minute walk) from a Delta Spa located next to the highway.

Another option is Jaspa in the Ambasador Mall, a 2-3 minute walk from the Ritz-Carlton. I used to get HJs there with no problem, but they may have cracked down on that.

There's a legit massage place inside the Somerset Grand Citra, also a 2-3 minute walk from the Ritz, with lots of pretty young masseuses.

You're also a 5-8 minute taxi cab ride from Fortune Spa (across from Le Meridien) where HJ is guaranteed and BBBJ / FS are possibilities depending on the girl.

*

On an unrelated note, your longer post is a masterpiece of understated humor writing. Loved reading it!

The Accountant's story is evidence that sometimes a freebie can cost more than a paid encounter.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1267733]In fairness the accountant would no doubt price in the food and drinks as normal expenses that might be run up in any decent night out and offset them against costs directly related to shagging the lady. However I'm a bit alarmed at the figure of 1. 25 m which appears to have been paid direct to the CJ's lady, that's a wee bit over the top, and what's with the 0. 25 juta? Wouldn't a cool mill have sufficed, even that is too much, no wonder I haven't been to CJ's in years, too many guys with more money than sense.[/QUOTE]Indeed, a substantial chunk of the Accountant's 3. 5M will have been reimbursed for business expenses.

Regarding prices, what is the "correct" price at CJ's? Today's price not that of yesteryear! Sadly inflation is everywhere!

On the Shoooter's visit, CJ's had far better quality of totty than BATS. About 100 doable dollies in full regalia. Top Gun was rather dismal, with the exception of some hardened but quite spectacular table dancers.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman; 1267998]Good to know about the Bellagio place.

For what it's worth, the Ritz Carlton is a 2-minute drive (and a 5-minute walk) from a Delta Spa located next to the highway.

Another option is Jaspa in the Ambasador Mall, a 2-3 minute walk from the Ritz-Carlton. I used to get HJs there with no problem, but they may have cracked down on that.

There's a legit massage place inside the Somerset Grand Citra, also a 2-3 minute walk from the Ritz, with lots of pretty young masseuses.

You're also a 5-8 minute taxi cab ride from Fortune Spa (across from Le Meridien) where HJ is guaranteed and BBBJ / FS are possibilities depending on the girl.

*[/QUOTE]Wow, a master researcher of the rub & tug! When one needs one's knob kneaded, you're the man to ask!

Hat's off.

Hi All,

Sorry for not reporting much since quite a while. Actually as my I'd suggests I do not have the pwd for my old account. Pc change. So am back the original Frenchtouch became Frenchtchnopwd.

So anyway I was in Jakarta.

My last stays here were not dedicated to mongering, I just saw a few DIA good girls, had decent shags, but nothing to write home about. Could exchange theétails of some.

For some reasons I was alone one evening. No contact made with previous encounters, and some fuck up in arrangements with new DIA prospects.

Worked until late in my room, then at around 1230 decided to venture outside. First mission was to find something to eat. I stayed in Morrissey in Menteng, so went to the adjoining Jalan Jaksa. Saw a few old and less old girls who hinted for nightly pleasures, but none caught my attention. Actually only one girl did, but she was obviously with her parents or so and there was no open option. Nice 18 21 with a slim and toned body and long legs.

So took a cab to BATS. Quite full, music not so good, and at first not many attractive women.

I noticed a girl who was called on stage for one song who really had all for herself. Her voic e, who cares? A slim and tall body and a really cute face. I guess she is not "working" there, but I could have paid the hefty price she would be asking.

After my usual 3 scotch sodas, reasonably priced and spiked, I moved a bit around to see if I could find a gem. One tall girl (170cms) called my attention by catching my hand. Nice move and she deserved at least some attention. I ordered a 4th drink and bought her a beer. We talked jooked, grinded etc and in 30 minutes time we were gone. We agreed on a 700 K package. 500 + 200 bonus.

She was passionate, asking for more of all the things we did, provided a good if not unforgettable BBBJ. At 4 I fell asleep, not after trying a second round which miserably failed due to the lack of energizer in my plumbing system.

2nd round was still consumated at around 7AM, quite satisfactorily. While we were at it in the pre-sleep episode she had said I want you to fuck my ass when I was fingering it in doggie. Well, maybe she was less drunk, but despite me insisting, this was not an option anymore.

It was the first time I encountered a tall and still really good indonesian. Her body was toned and she gave me more than my money worth. Did not have the feeling to overpay.

I sent her out with the agreed wad of bills and went to work at 8.

Next report on my second night with DIA date and other adventures.

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[QUOTE=Ronin500; 1267105]Was lucky enough to be in Jakarta Sunday so spent half the day at the Classic Hotel. I love this place, even more than Hotel Travel.

The first girl I had was called Sevy; great BBBJ, the rest pretty standard.

The second girl was called Daisy. Despite nice thick lips her BJ wasn't great but the rest was very good.

Each time cost was about 300k all in. I would say both girls were 7-8; slim, perky (but small) tits, tan skin, good face, long hair.

I will try to visit this place everytime I'm in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Hi Ronin,

I will be staying at the Classic next week for just 3 days. Can you send me some pointers for a good shag.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Zenlove; 1268614]Hi Ronin,

I will be staying at the Classic next week for just 3 days. Can you send me some pointers for a good shag.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Should you succeed, your next task is to organise a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-up in a brewery.

Marlene from Travel Hotel, Mangga Besar.

Good one bro. Enjoyed reading. FR reminded me my days in Jakarta. Similar to your experience, there is always a great chance of hooking up wz Great non WGs in Jakarta, but would end up wz some damages in booz or shopping. But who cares if you gets a clean, non worn out pussies and a great GFE at these damages. I luv Jakarta in these scene as the probability theory is always been on higher notes here. Always.

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1267247]The Shooter and the Accountant decided on a post-work drink at this upscale bar in Mega Kuningan. The place was heaving with young professionals. The Shooter used his tactical positioning skills to select the long bench near the bar as the base of operations. They squeezed in next to some local girls in their 30's who were guzzling champers.

A great night in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1268907]Marlene from Travel Hotel, Mangga Besar.[/QUOTE]Well, them, I was just down in Hotel Travel this afternoon. I had a look around for Marlene, but nobody knew her, perhaps she is better known by her number. I found a nice pair of tits of my own, attached to an 18 year old from Rangkasbitung, which I guess makes her Sundanese. Surprise, surprise, down in Hotel Travel. She did tell me her name, but the music is loud. I asked her again in the room, but the service was only average, so I didn't make an effort to remember. In fact, I've already forgotten. I gave her a fifty tip, just on general principles, but it was a forgettable fuck, saved only by the aforesaid tits and a friendly attitude, unfortunately not accompanied by any particularly outstanding BBJ skills or anything else. Dropped by Berlian on the way out to see if any of the back-door specialists were on duty, but nope. Decided I was more in need of alcohol than another shag, so I left it at that.

Boring Sunday afternoon in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1269401]Well, them, I was just down in Hotel Travel this afternoon. I had a look around for Marlene, but nobody knew her, perhaps she is better known by her number. I found a nice pair of tits of my own, attached to an 18 year old from Rangkasbitung, which I guess makes her Sundanese. Surprise, surprise, down in Hotel Travel. She did tell me her name, but the music is loud. I asked her again in the room, but the service was only average, so I didn't make an effort to remember. In fact, I've already forgotten. I gave her a fifty tip, just on general principles, but it was a forgettable fuck, saved only by the aforesaid tits and a friendly attitude, unfortunately not accompanied by any particularly outstanding BBJ skills or anything else. Dropped by Berlian on the way out to see if any of the back-door specialists were on duty, but nope. Decided I was more in need of alcohol than another shag, so I left it at that.

Boring Sunday afternoon in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]You're right, I should have remembered her number. A lot of the girls in Hotel Travel, Classik, etc. Are assigned a nickname and do not use their real names. So my guess is she gave me her real name which nobody knew. Anyway, you'll find her at the corner nearest to the billiard tables in the lounge area.

[QUOTE=Double Shooter;1268821]Should you succeed, your next task is to organise a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-up in a brewery.[/QUOTE]Ha ha excellent observation.

I post this again.

[QUOTE=Frenchtchnopwd; 1268509]Hi All,

Sorry for not reporting much since quite a while. Actually as my I'd suggests I do not have the pwd for my old account. Pc change. So am back the original Frenchtouch became Frenchtchnopwd.

So anyway I was in Jakarta.

My last stays here were not dedicated to mongering, I just saw a few DIA good girls, had decent shags, but nothing to write home about. Could exchange theétails of some.

For some reasons I was alone one evening. No contact made with previous encounters, and some fuck up in arrangements with new DIA prospects.

Worked until late in my room, then at around 1230 decided to venture outside. First mission was to find something to eat. I stayed in Morrissey in Menteng, so went to the adjoining Jalan Jaksa. Saw a few old and less old girls who hinted for nightly pleasures, but none caught my attention. Actually only one girl did, but she was obviously with her parents or so and there was no open option. Nice 18 21 with a slim and toned body and long legs.

So took a cab to BATS. Quite full, music not so good, and at first not many attractive women.

I noticed a girl who was called on stage for one song who really had all for herself. Her voic e, who cares? A slim and tall body and a really cute face. I guess she is not "working" there, but I could have paid the hefty price she would be asking.

After my usual 3 scotch sodas, reasonably priced and spiked, I moved a bit around to see if I could find a gem. One tall girl (170cms) called my attention by catching my hand. Nice move and she deserved at least some attention. I ordered a 4th drink and bought her a beer. We talked jooked, grinded etc and in 30 minutes time we were gone. We agreed on a 700 K package. 500 + 200 bonus.

She was passionate, asking for more of all the things we did, provided a good if not unforgettable BBBJ. At 4 I fell asleep, not after trying a second round which miserably failed due to the lack of energizer in my plumbing system.

2nd round was still consumated at around 7AM, quite satisfactorily. While we were at it in the pre-sleep episode she had said I want you to fuck my ass when I was fingering it in doggie. Well, maybe she was less drunk, but despite me insisting, this was not an option anymore.

It was the first time I encountered a tall and still really good indonesian. Her body was toned and she gave me more than my money worth. Did not have the feeling to overpay.

I sent her out with the agreed wad of bills and went to work at 8.

Next report on my second night with DIA date and other adventures.

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Second day went soso. Correction : started not good but ended excellent

1st activity of the day was meeting with one of the DIA contacts in the afternoon around 4 PM, which my work schedule allowed for.

To those who are familiar with DIA there is this girl with three different websites, who will easily chat you about all her modelling activities here and there. Chinese and some artistic / erotic photos that make you thinkf of great potential. Sufficient english, and once again, very enticing pictures. Well I met her, bought her a drink in the bar of the hotel and led up to my room. Which I should never have done, since what I discovered there was in no way what I was expecting. Her ample clothes had sort of "duped" me. The rality check and subsquent fall on earth were harsh. I am not going to give her I'd here, but if you have doubts, PM me.

Second activity was dinner with one of the DIA contacts, same batch actually. Had initiated talks for quite a while, and had a few interesting chat sessions with her, nothing naughty but for sure promising. Met her for dinner, we went to one of my favocrite places in Kemang, and had an excellent yet pricey dinner. She was dressed to kill. Price was worth it in any case, since she was great company. Lot of flirting, hands touching, thigh brushing, backrubbing on both sides added to the festive mood created by the not so cheap (again) bottle of wine I ordered. We went to have a drink, actually a few of them after in the restau / bar under the now closed "shy rooftop". Where we had a great, yet pricey, time, with excellent cocktails and a nice band interacting with the audience, mainly upper class young indo crowd with the assorted tablet / LV bag gear.

For someone who had once mentioned in our chat sessions that she was "muslim, still drank moderately", I found she was ready to knock down more than one and that for the length of the time we spent together.

All of this led to 1 AM, which was the time where she said she would not go home with me, since it was our 1st date. Which I corrected with "nope my dear N, this is the second date, the 1st one was yesterday.". This generated a spontaneous laugh and subsequently I felt barrers were gone.

We ended up having a fantastic session, not after she hinted that she would go home early, since "it is not appropriate to come home after daybreak". Which was fine with me. She was passionate, took quite a lot of positions. Two shots later, I left her at 4AM in front of my hotel into a taxi.

Lovely, nice body, quite smart and witty, all in all one of my best meets in DIA ever. And I met quite a few.

Once again, Jakarta / DIA delivered. Takes a bit of time in terms of search and preparation, costs a dinner and drinks, so for sure more expensive than a working girl in one of the low end massage places, a little more than a working girl in Bats or so, but nothing to compare IMHO.

I left the next morning to SG.

Enjoy

I also use DIA, IC and OKC, and now I pretty much don't have to pay for sex anymore. But yes, I do pay for the dinner and drinks and the sort to get laid in Indo.

There are a lot of sweet and young women on these sites who are looking for nice guys with good and respectful manners willing to spend some money taking them out over dinner and giving them attention. It is very easy to seduce here if you got some game. And I don't end up shagging all of them, but most. And I like chasing the chase, if you know what I mean.

I love Indo, and Jakarta in particular because Jakarta has a lot of great places, and the best diversity of women in the country.

And most of these women that I have met would never be found in the hardcore bars such as in Blok M and Red Square. In fact many of the girls I shagged never even heard of them! That's not to say that the pros don't have profiles on these sites, many do. But spend a few hours chatting, and you can tell whats pro, what's curious and what's plain young 18 yo looking for a boyfriend that will become the husband.

But once in a while though, I like that raunchy scene, and end up in Top Gun and My Bar. Sleazes of a place but it is possible to find gems once in a while if you know how. There are ways. And if not, I go home alone. Check out some of the makeup on these regulars at Blok M bars by visiting their FB pages. And you will be glad you did too.

Happy hunting y'all

[QUOTE=Geriatno; 1269983]I also use DIA, IC and OKC, and now I pretty much don't have to pay for sex anymore. But yes, I do pay for the dinner and drinks and the sort to get laid in Indo.

There are a lot of sweet and young women on these sites who are looking for nice guys with good and respectful manners willing to spend some money taking them out over dinner and giving them attention. It is very easy to seduce here if you got some game. And I don't end up shagging all of them, but most. And I like chasing the chase, if you know what I mean.

I love Indo, and Jakarta in particular because Jakarta has a lot of great places, and the best diversity of women in the country.

And most of these women that I have met would never be found in the hardcore bars such as in Blok M and Red Square. In fact many of the girls I shagged never even heard of them! That's not to say that the pros don't have profiles on these sites, many do. But spend a few hours chatting, and you can tell whats pro, what's curious and what's plain young 18 yo looking for a boyfriend that will become the husband.

But once in a while though, I like that raunchy scene, and end up in Top Gun and My Bar. Sleazes of a place but it is possible to find gems once in a while if you know how. There are ways. And if not, I go home alone. Check out some of the makeup on these regulars at Blok M bars by visiting their FB pages. And you will be glad you did too.

Happy hunting why'all[/QUOTE]Yes much my experience as well. Some of these gals I have been in contact with for over 5 years and still connecting when I am in Jakarta. I generally mis-and-match. Some regulars with some newbies from DIA. Makes for an interesting mix, and am guaranteed never to miss out.

[QUOTE=Geriatno; 1269983]I also use DIA, IC and OKC, and now I pretty much don't have to pay for sex anymore. But yes, I do pay for the dinner and drinks and the sort to get laid in Indo.

There are a lot of sweet and young women on these sites who are looking for nice guys with good and respectful manners willing to spend some money taking them out over dinner and giving them attention. It is very easy to seduce here if you got some game. And I don't end up shagging all of them, but most. And I like chasing the chase, if you know what I mean.

Happy hunting why'all[/QUOTE]I'm with you on the dating sites; I've also been using DIA, IC and Badoo. But what's OKC? I get a better hit rate in IC though although the irony is the number of women who have expressed interest in me (who are looking for marriage) when my profile clearly states anything else but marriage. Apparently a few of them had to take care of their "bio-needs";). I too love the diversity and availability of women here. It's downright addictive: even as I sit here in KL, I'm planning how to wrangle my next business (and pleasure) trip to Jakarta.

MD II

[QUOTE=Geriatno; 1269983]I also use DIA, IC and OKC, and now I pretty much don't have to pay for sex anymore. But yes, I do pay for the dinner and drinks and the sort to get laid in Indo.

There are a lot of sweet and young women on these sites who are looking for nice guys with good and respectful manners willing to spend some money taking them out over dinner and giving them attention. It is very easy to seduce here if you got some game. And I don't end up shagging all of them, but most. And I like chasing the chase, if you know what I mean.[/QUOTE]What's with Filipino women on these sites? They seem to be as organized, systematic and persistent as Avon or the Scientologists. I set all my preferences to make it clear that I'm only looking for Indonesian women, but they still spam me. Do they teach them how to hit on foreign men in special classes at school?

DIA is good fun. I've managed to pull a few women through it. Oddly enough, I actually like hanging out with women, having dinner with them, talking to them, so I'm quite happy to meet a few loss leaders who won't put out, for a date or two. I guess the hit rate is around 50% for women I actually meet. I had one real sweety who gave me a shag and then got all guilty after it because of her American boy-friend. After that, she decided she could give me blow jobs, but her pussy was off limits. She swallowed, too. Weird.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1270072]I had one real sweety who gave me a shag and then got all guilty after it because of her American boy-friend. After that, she decided she could give me blow jobs, but her pussy was off limits. She swallowed, too. Weird.[/QUOTE]It's good to see that some Indo girls are loyal to their long distance boyfriends.

Well, I am not sure which website DIA is, but I normally use IC (indocupid). We add eachother to yahoo or just exchange cellphone numbers and then meet up. A blackberry could be interesting considering they are almost all blackberry addicts. I totally agree with Geriatno, the chase makes it interesting, you just pay dinner and drinks, which is not unlogical considering your economical and their local cultural background. It is still cheaper then ayam and you get a GF feeling. And even though they say on IC they look for a serious boyfriend, it seems you can perform this role on the first or 2nd date already. I personally had a 40% all the way experience on the first date (90% of all dates stayed over and 100% of them went almost all the way) , which went up to 90% on the second date. I do however take care of sufficient pre-date time online and treat them with respect.

So in my opinion it is exciting cause you do not know how far you will get, but you will not get frustrated cause usually you can get there on the 2nd date. You have interesting company and a good time alltogether. Just be smooth and give some compliments. Which seems to work very well on indo girls (already considering the fact that you look exotic, probably rich in their eyes and just different then what they are used to) , where in my opinion it makes things worse with western girls, but that could be just me. .

On the other hand it takes time if you are on holiday (I am never long in jakarta, usually I have to stay most of the time in medan) , especially if you want more then 1 girl. Which makes usual massage (HJ / BJ) en pros massages en spa's (FS) centers much more easier. I prefer both worlds.

Smoothy

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I had one real sweety who gave me a shag and then got all guilty after it because of her American boy-friend. After that, she decided she could give me blow jobs, but her pussy was off limits. She swallowed, too. Weird.

It's good to see that some Indo girls are loyal to their long distance boyfriends.

And most of these women that I have met would never be found in the hardcore bars such as in Blok M and Red Square. In fact many of the girls I shagged never even heard of them! That's not to say that the pros don't have profiles on these sites, many do. But spend a few hours chatting, and you can tell whats pro, what's curious and what's plain young 18 yo looking for a boyfriend that will become the husband.

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Eventhough those women are sometimes totally different then the ones you meet in hardcore bars, I seriously doubt "they never even heard of them". All jakarta girls know these place even if they almost never or never go to them. They usually pretend at first they do not. It is just to not give you a wrong impression and make you doubt about them (the pro's and the usual jakarta girl). My 50 cents.

One time I really thought I had a pro in my room from IC. The way she acted, how fast she would proceed to the bed the night we meet, she knew all pickupplaces as a regular customer. Even though, she did not ask for any money, was hot and performed great. I guess she liked to have fun. Only met her once though, I had more girls scheduled and so have others to go back to.

I am glad more guys appreciate the relative free of charge old-style seduce and score attitude which gives me in the end for me personally more satisfaction. Combined with.[/quote]

Sorry for asking, but what is DIA?

[QUOTE=MikeTheHammer;1270868]Sorry for asking, but what is DIA?[/QUOTE]DateInAsia. Com. Home of Singles in Asia. Asian Dating and Personals.

Hello, everyone. So here I am in Jogjkarta with much time, and as we know, idle hands are the devil's playthings. I'm excitied to make an *original contribution* of a source that hasn't been mentioned here, if I'm not wrong. But that's below, after my first story about ground that has already been trod on by other commenters.

I was on Jl. Sostrowijayan and decided to look for the famed fishbowl near the Jogja Moon Hotel. I walked the length of Sosrowijayan untiul I reached Lucifier, the rock-and-roll bar, and then crossed the street and continued straight on.

I don't think I saw the sign for Jogja Moon, but I walked until the next corner and passed a place with a sign that said "Tiga Kuda" or something kuda. It reminded be of the round Bintang signs on the Sosrowijayan places that were closer to Jl Malioboro. The round signs that indicated it was a bule bar.

Outside the Kuda place, which was not a bar, but looked like a home, were five Javanese fellows sitting around and nongkrong'ing. They asked me if I was looking for girls, and I said maybe later.

I walked one more block and noticed a big hotel to my right. The front door was accessed from a stairway. A man came out and asked me if I wanted cewek. Sure, I said.

He led me back to the first place. He's the hotel manager but apparently fronts for the pimps. A nice fellow, from the nearby regency of Klaten. He said that there were always bule here. Huh.

Anyway, the dude said the price was Rp 300, 000. I said,"huh." "Too much? He replied. I just meant "huh", but obviously we can nego nego a bit. Inside the house was quite different. It was obviously a fishbowl joint, but it didn't have many girls at 7 pm The mami offered me a book to look at, which promised 18 year olds. 20 year olds. 25 year olds. The older the woman's age in the picture, the more airbrushed and blurry it was.

Mr. Manager said that Mami was on the menu. Big tits, he said in English. Good service. Why thank you, I thought. (PS Her tits were not big). Anyway, he then said tidak ada yang cocok? No one you like? No, I said. He then took me away from the empty fishbowl and book and into the immense depths of Kuda. We went to a staging area, of sorts. It was a sofa surrounded by small rooms with curtains where girls were readying themselves. They were all in their 20s and none had a smile for OmBule. None looked to be all that beautiful either, although they were not ugly.

"Tidak ada yang cocok?" he asked again. I was thinking those curtained rooms are definitely not cocok. He said wait wait, ada lagi. But wait, there's more.

At this point those who lack a sense of adventure might want to exit, as he and me and mami went even deeper into the place. There was a small, dark alley and a grimy corridor or two. Before this stuff freaked me out. Now its totally usually: typical kota kampung.

We arrived at the girls' kosan, or boarding house. It looked like every other low-rent kosan in JOgja. A bunch of rooms around a courtyard, all filled with girls getting dressed and ready. They were definietly younger, early 20s, definitely pretty. But not pretty enough. And the thought of being on one of those small, unaircon kosan rooms was not attractive.

I retreated. But remember: easily accessed from Jl Sosrowijayan. The men outside are all friendly enough and Rp. 300, 000 is where they start.

Now the next day I was at Ambaraukmo Plaza, the swankiest mall in Jogjakarta. There's a newish star-rated hotel next to it, the Hotel Ambarukmo. On the opposite side of the street, just before where the warung nasi kambing is, there is a seafood restaurant.

I passed this restaurant several times. In the table furthest from the street there was always a group of girls, jeans and tight tops, sitting as a group, looking far to good to be a random group of girls in a resto. On two occassions, I was offered massages services: once by a man talking with one of the girls, once by a tukang ojek. The tukang ojek said that he runs (or is the front man) for call girls (really: cewek di panggil!) for massage. Ibu-ibu start at Rp. 100, 000 for pijat, the younger ones at Rp. 150, 000.

Hmmmmm, I thought. These girls made eye contact with me on both nights. These girls had those large, round breasts that those women in Central Java have. These girls were pretty and looked more spirited and young. And Rp. 150, 000 is enough for me to start with. I've never seen this before in JOgja!

The restaurant closes around 11 p. M, but the tukang ojek is still there, waiting to make deliveries. I'll let you know how it goes, but lads, I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship.

On a whim I asked the taxi driver to stop at Hotel Classic on the way to the airport at 3 pm. The spa on the lower floor was full of goodies, mainly of average quality but with exceptions. Like Sophia: young, short, chubby, beautiful face and large natural breasts. 700K. She started with a BBBJ and tit fuck while she was undressing me before the shower. More of the same in the shower. The little moaning continued during the massage that quickly turned into a solid romp, DFK, DATY with finish in the back door. Sophia is a sexy and hardworking girl. Recommended.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1270934]DateInAsia. Com. Home of Singles in Asia. Asian Dating and Personals.[/QUOTE]Thanks Gonzo Two.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1268907]Marlene from Travel Hotel, Mangga Besar.[/QUOTE]This fine pair from Alexis (although for the price they should be fair. Alexis expensive now at 1. 15 Juta for locals!).

Place was packed with girls at 4 pm and relatively few mongers.

Expensive, but got to treat once in a while!

[QUOTE=Frankie555; 1272691]This fine pair from Alexis (although for the price they should be fair. Alexis expensive now at 1. 15 Juta for locals!).

Place was packed with girls at 4 pm and relatively few mongers.

Expensive, but got to treat once in a while![/QUOTE]This time hopefully with the pics.

I'm new to Indonesia. When I saw a post about hotel travel I realised it is walking distance to my hotel and hence I walked there.

I understand they are local, only limited capability to communicate in english. It was difficult to convince them to show me the types of beer before I order (I'm German.

In the entrance I got two number tags. One was for the bag I brought with me, the other was "to order". It took a while until I understood it is not about food or beverage.

Anyway, I had a few beers and watched the scene. Normally I go to pick-up bars and see what happens. In Hotel Travel it seems very well organised and I have a few questions about it:

1. What's the difference between the green, red, blue skirted girls?

2. Once I want to engage what do I have to tell the brown-dressed elder ladies?

3. What is a reasonable rate?

4. What do I get for the monies?

5. Where does the action taking place. No take out I guess, right?

Thanks for guidance, guys.

T

Transmuter, you are right at the spot there. By now, regardless of language problems, you should have established answers to all of your questions. Tell us what you learned.
Hey, even the slow-witted U.S. Secret Service guys were able to figure it out -- more or less. Certainly a German is smarter, nicht wahr?

[QUOTE=Transmuter; 1273001]I'm new to Indonesia. When I saw a post about hotel travel I realised it is walking distance to my hotel and hence I walked there.

I understand they are local, only limited capability to communicate in english. It was difficult to convince them to show me the types of beer before I order (I'm German.

In the entrance I got two number tags. One was for the bag I brought with me, the other was "to order". It took a while until I understood it is not about food or beverage.

Anyway, I had a few beers and watched the scene. Normally I go to pick-up bars and see what happens. In Hotel Travel it seems very well organised and I have a few questions about it:

1. What's the difference between the green, red, blue skirted girls?

2. Once I want to engage what do I have to tell the brown-dressed elder ladies?

3. What is a reasonable rate?

4. What do I get for the monies?

5. Where does the action taking place. No take out I guess, right?

Thanks for guidance, guys.

T[/QUOTE]Tranmuter,

Either you cannot read or you are an idoit there are many report about Hotel Travel here you just need to RTTF, if you cannot get laid at hotel Travel you got a big problem, you don't need to pick up at this place just ask the mamasan which girl you want and she will answer all your question, I am not sure why are you asking all this question if have already been there.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Transmuter; 1273001]I'm new to Indonesia. When I saw a post about hotel travel I realised it is walking distance to my hotel and hence I walked there.

I understand they are local, only limited capability to communicate in english. It was difficult to convince them to show me the types of beer before I order (I'm German.

In the entrance I got two number tags. One was for the bag I brought with me, the other was "to order". It took a while until I understood it is not about food or beverage.

Anyway, I had a few beers and watched the scene. Normally I go to pick-up bars and see what happens. In Hotel Travel it seems very well organised and I have a few questions about it:

1. What's the difference between the green, red, blue skirted girls?

2. Once I want to engage what do I have to tell the brown-dressed elder ladies?

3. What is a reasonable rate?

4. What do I get for the monies?

5. Where does the action taking place. No take out I guess, right?

Thanks for guidance, guys.

T[/QUOTE]I'm guessing but the difference between the colours would probably be to identify which captain / mummy the girls are under. Most of your other questions have been covered here in abundance. Please use the search function. There is take out available but it take note that it is cheaper just after midnight.

MD II

[QUOTE=Transmuter;1273001]2. Once I want to engage what do I have to tell the brown-dressed elder ladies?[/QUOTE]Under different Mammy. If you want a particularly girl and are talking to one of the Mami's, she will always steer you to one of HER girls, she can't do a transfer deal with the other groups. Once one of the Mamis has got your attention, the others will tend to respect her turf and not butt in and compete, unless you really insist.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1270072]What's with Filipino women on these sites? They seem to be as organized, systematic and persistent as Avon or the Scientologists. I set all my preferences to make it clear that I'm only looking for Indonesian women, but they still spam me. Do they teach them how to hit on foreign men in special classes at school?

DIA is good fun. I've managed to pull a few women through it. Oddly enough, I actually like hanging out with women, having dinner with them, talking to them, so I'm quite happy to meet a few loss leaders who won't put out, for a date or two. I guess the hit rate is around 50% for women I actually meet. I had one real sweety who gave me a shag and then got all guilty after it because of her American boy-friend. After that, she decided she could give me blow jobs, but her pussy was off limits. She swallowed, too. Weird.[/QUOTE]First up, on DIA no one reads anything. Thats too difficult, so if the pic looks goo, they may send a hello to 100 guys and if a few replies, then the game is on.

DIA is indeed great fun as are a few similar sites.

Picked up many many many both within Philippines, Hong Kong, China, Thailand (freebies in Thailand, yes, thanks DIA!) and of course Jakarta courtesy of DIA. SEveral had the obligatory bule bf, but as he was always "out of town" on "sales trips", at a "convention" I didn't realyl care if they were real or imagined bfs. One obviously was real enough tho, as the girl wh was a sweet secretary (but who blew me in a taxi going down Sudirman one rainy night) sent me her traditional Javanese wedding videos, with her Aussie BF.

All local girls here. All shapes and sizes and qualities. Some do speaks English, just ask the Mummy which girl can. Open daily from 2pm to 2am.

1. Each dress colored girls are assigned to different Mummy, I think two Mummies for each color group. Each colors have 15-20 girls rotated each time customers picked a girl. Most will go back home after servicing a minimum of 5 customers each.

2. If you don't want the Mummy to pick for you. Choose your pick from the selections and find the Mummy for that group. You can go straight to the room to fuck or chat and buy the girl some drink (optional). You might get better service if the girl likes you. Always worked out for me, I prefer good services. If you think that the girl is not suitable for you, you can always request for a new one.

3. It's a fixed rate system. I think it's IDR370k for an hour inclusive room and condom. Tipping is optional starting from IDR50k, you can give more if you like the girl's service, all up to you. I never gotten a bad service so far but maybe because I speak their language and I chat them up and buy them a drink before the fucking.

4. From what I experienced with about 15 girls there for 3 nights (including my threesome and foursome) , catbath, BBBJ (all I had but not all girl do this) , DFK (not all) , all fucking positions I requested, no anal. I got three shots for my threesome (2 hours) and four shots for my foursome (3 hours). Single girl will be 1 shot (1 hour) unless if you want to extend the session.

5. Rooms are upstairs. I always requested for the bigger room with mirrored walls and ceiling so I can see myself banging the girls. Not sure if there's any extra charges for that particular room (still dirt cheap). Takeout only possible if the girl or Mummy trust or like you. They can decline if they wanted. I did took one 18 years old Sundanese girl back to my room after 10pm because her pussy is so damn tight and GFE was really high. Brought her to CJ Mulia for some live music and also supper at Burger Kings. Banged her four times and sent her to the lobby around 8am next day with a IDR300k tip. Takeout will cost you about IDR1. 2Mil after 10pm.

It's almost the same as Hotel Classic but with different pricing. I've gotten better service at Hotel Travel compared to Level 3 & 5 of Hotel Classic girls. Hope this'll help all newbies considering Hotel Travel for some action. So far, the place never disappoints me.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Transmuter; 1273001]I'm new to Indonesia. When I saw a post about hotel travel I realised it is walking distance to my hotel and hence I walked there.

I understand they are local, only limited capability to communicate in english. It was difficult to convince them to show me the types of beer before I order (I'm German.

In the entrance I got two number tags. One was for the bag I brought with me, the other was "to order". It took a while until I understood it is not about food or beverage.

Anyway, I had a few beers and watched the scene. Normally I go to pick-up bars and see what happens. In Hotel Travel it seems very well organised and I have a few questions about it:

1. What's the difference between the green, red, blue skirted girls?

2. Once I want to engage what do I have to tell the brown-dressed elder ladies?

3. What is a reasonable rate?

4. What do I get for the monies?

5. Where does the action taking place. No take out I guess, right?

Thanks for guidance, guys.

T[/QUOTE]

Trying to call someone an "idiot" loses its punch when you can't even spell it! Idoit? Try RTTD (reading the fucking dictionary)

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1273084]Tranmuter,

Either you cannot read or you are an idoit there are many report about Hotel Travel here you just need to RTTF, if you cannot get laid at hotel Travel you got a big problem, you don't need to pick up at this place just ask the mamasan which girl you want and she will answer all your question, I am not sure why are you asking all this question if have already been there.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]

Fucking A, indeed.

[QUOTE=John Marigold99;1273577]Trying to call someone an "idiot" loses its punch when you can't even spell it! Idoit? Try RTTD (reading the fucking dictionary)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John Marigold99;1273577]Trying to call someone an "idiot" loses its punch when you can't even spell it! Idoit? Try RTTD (reading the fucking dictionary)[/QUOTE]
Try RTTD = reading the fucking dictionary? (nice punch)

NO

[QUOTE=Non Olet; 1274056]Try RTTD = reading the fucking dictionary? (nice punch)

NO[/QUOTE]RTTD should be RTFD (Read The Fucking Dictionary)? So don't judge unless ******

[QUOTE=John Marigold99;1273577]Trying to call someone an "idiot" loses its punch when you can't even spell it! Idoit? Try RTTD (reading the fucking dictionary)[/QUOTE]Well, the word "idoit" is in one dictionary:

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idoit[/url]

Sadly there is no RTTD, try RTFWBG instead, totally irrelevant but fun:

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RTFWBG[/url]

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1274288]Well, the word "idoit" is in one dictionary:

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idoit[/url]

Sadly there is no RTTD, try RTFWBG instead, totally irrelevant but fun:

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RTFWBG[/url][/QUOTE]If it isn't a case of neurological impairment, there's some keyboard keys backwards, and a missing plural key. With the right meds, eddie gets faster and we're done with this topic.

According to one nightlife website, this place (located above the lobby of the Hyatt) is 'lesbian friendly. ' I saw no signs of that, but it is also 'hooker tolerant' although they are discreet and, and least with me, will await your approach.

Perhaps a little more mature and a little more. Robust than most available Indonesian girls, but that is perhaps an appeal to the Hyatt demographic.

Anyways, for $60 (minor negotiations only) I was pretty comprehensively blown, ridden and drained by Sandra. Mid-thirties, maybe 120 lbs and decent looking with good english.

She was there the next night too, along with maybe 4 'co-workers'. I was just drinking though!

Gentlemen,

I have done a good deal of reading, so please don't say RTFF. From what I have read in the Jakarta thread, it is hard to get a sense of the freelancer scene. I will be coming within the next few months or so, and want to get a sense of how easy it is to find GFE, long time sessions in my hotel with good looking 20-30 year old women. My preference is freelance discos and bars. Not a newbie, vet of most many Latin American countries, the PI and LOS.

A quick paragraph on the "Feel" of the scene and the places would be most appreciated.

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1274696]Gentlemen,

I have done a good deal of reading, so please don't say RTFF. From what I have read in the Jakarta thread, it is hard to get a sense of the freelancer scene. I will be coming within the next few months or so, and want to get a sense of how easy it is to find GFE, long time sessions in my hotel with good looking 20-30 year old women. My preference is freelance discos and bars. Not a newbie, vet of most many Latin American countries, the PI and LOS.

A quick paragraph on the "Feel" of the scene and the places would be most appreciated.[/QUOTE]The hotel bars (cj's and bats) and blok M bars are full of what would technically be called freelancers. They can also be found at other places (sometimes Red Square) and at Stadium late if they couldn't pick anyone up earlier. YMMV and you'll surely overpay at the hotel bars but those and Blok M are the core of the Jakarta freelancer scene.

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1274696]Gentlemen,

I have done a good deal of reading, so please don't say RTFF. From what I have read in the Jakarta thread, it is hard to get a sense of the freelancer scene. I will be coming within the next few months or so, and want to get a sense of how easy it is to find GFE, long time sessions in my hotel with good looking 20-30 year old women. My preference is freelance discos and bars. Not a newbie, vet of most many Latin American countries, the PI and LOS.

A quick paragraph on the "Feel" of the scene and the places would be most appreciated.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Catire;1274735]The hotel bars (cj's and bats) and blok M bars are full of what would technically be called freelancers. They can also be found at other places (sometimes Red Square) and at Stadium late if they couldn't pick anyone up earlier. YMMV and you'll surely overpay at the hotel bars but those and Blok M are the core of the Jakarta freelancer scene.[/QUOTE]Well yes, but to add to that, FLs are available ANYWHERE you might see them. Hotel lobbies, shopping centres, restos. Take your pick. If you're a more experienced person in this field, you can spot them more easily. For shooting fish in a barrel, then it's easy enough to go to all the standard bars. Incidentally, I'm not sure how you can have done a great deal of reading here and still not get a feel of the FL scene here.

MD II

[QUOTE=Teacup;1274574]According to one nightlife website, this place (located above the lobby of the Hyatt) is 'lesbian friendly. ' I saw no signs of that, but .[/QUOTE]Probably just means there is a table in the corner where three dykes sit and drink regularly. I don't think there are any dedicated lesbian bars in Jakarta, maybe they have a small corner in some of (mainly male) gay bars around town.

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1274943]Well yes, but to add to that, FLs are available ANYWHERE you might see them. Hotel lobbies, shopping centres, restos. Take your pick. If you're a more experienced person in this field, you can spot them more easily. For shooting fish in a barrel, then it's easy enough to go to all the standard bars. Incidentally, I'm not sure how you can have done a great deal of reading here and still not get a feel of the FL scene here.

MD II[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. As far as your question, there is a difference between knowing the locations and reading a great trip report that gives you a "feel" or "sense" of what a scene is like. Guys are very helpful on the Jakarta site, but I have not seen too many comprehensive trip reports that paint a picture of what it is like. Not a dig, just a comment.

I do apreciate the information.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1275073]there is a difference between knowing the locations and reading a great trip report that gives you a "feel" or "sense" of what a scene is like. Guys are very helpful on the Jakarta site, but I have not seen too many comprehensive trip reports that paint a picture of what it is like.[/QUOTE]Would you be so kind as to include the links of the comprehensive trip reports you have written that give a feel and sense of what a scene is like, that paint a picture? Seeing your great reports would be most helpful, so that we can see the standard. Thank you. This is not a dig.

How can I get this book: Jakarta X-Plorer by Moammar Emka?

Publication date is 2009. No matter how I try to search and find it seems to be unavailable.

Any pdf's? Or links?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1275094]Would you be so kind as to include the links of the comprehensive trip reports you have written that give a feel and sense of what a scene is like, that paint a picture? Seeing your great reports would be most helpful, so that we can see the standard. Thank you. This is not a dig.[/QUOTE]Mostly I post on a my home board- although I have posted a couple of long reports on Peru, and maybe Colombia and TJ. However, that is not very fair, is it? So, here is a long post in the PI is just posted. I am not saying this is "the standard," and I was not trying to be critical, the guys in the Jakarta thread are very helpful, and I have gotten some great PMs.

Here is a link to my PI report. You can tell me if it paints a picture or not.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1275271&viewfull=1#post1275271[/url]

It is in multiple parts, 10183-10191.

The Psychman definitely put up there!

[QUOTE=Danibbler;1275285]The Psychman definitely put up there![/QUOTE]Thanks- I really was not meaning to bust balls here; I just love to read a good trip report that gives me a flavor for a scene, and really hope to get to Jakarta within the next few months.

Oh. Here is also a Tijuana report that is a bit less intensive, but than again only covers a four day trip, and not the best local, so that is what I was working with.

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?2221-Tijuana-Reports&p=998366&viewfull=1#post998366[/url]

Again, in multiple posts, so scroll up.

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1275073]Thanks for the information. As far as your question, there is a difference between knowing the locations and reading a great trip report that gives you a "feel" or "sense" of what a scene is like. Guys are very helpful on the Jakarta site, but I have not seen too many comprehensive trip reports that paint a picture of what it is like. Not a dig, just a comment.

I do apreciate the information.[/QUOTE]Yes perhaps several of us aren't painting with the same verve and detail we once did. But there have been a few reports over the last few weeks that were pretty detailed. Perhaps you might have missed them.

MD II

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1274696]Gentlemen,

I have done a good deal of reading, so please don't say RTFF. From what I have read in the Jakarta thread, it is hard to get a sense of the freelancer scene. I will be coming within the next few months or so, and want to get a sense of how easy it is to find GFE, long time sessions in my hotel with good looking 20-30 year old women. My preference is freelance discos and bars. Not a newbie, vet of most many Latin American countries, the PI and LOS. A quick paragraph on the "Feel" of the scene and the places would be most appreciated.[/QUOTE]I think the real feeling can be achivede only by being there. The forum is superb for the knowledge, preparation work. Great to make you aware of what it is like when you are there, ie you know where to go, you move like you have been there forever and you know what to expect in many ways. But being there is really up to each one to get HIS feeling. Homework shuld be done through ISG as then one cuts a lot of ways and BS that surrounds the mongering areas. One knows the sad stories of the girls are fake etc. First time I went to Nana (BKK) I was with friends and I moved around like I owned the place: they thought I had been there tons of times and indeed I was entering the go-go bars first time as them! Did I knew the feeling already? I think so or, let's put it this way, I had a feeling of what it was going to be.

Long time not visiting this spa, finally last week I went there. Located at Lindeteves Trade Center (LTC) Glodok, jl, Hayam Wuruk. A bit difficult to find the way to the spa at 8th floor if you don't use a car, asking security at 1st floor and found it. They have local and Chinese massaseur.

First I choose Chinese massaseur (350 K / hour). Pick number 83 (name SanSan or CHanChan from Shenzen) as papasan suggested (good massage and can speak english). Massage's so so, but what I don't like was she try to upselling. For extra services like FJ normally for PRC about 800. 1000 K, but she ask for 1200 K. Other service also more expensive. So I just choose massage only.

Unsatisfied, after ate some free food and order (pay) drink, I again choose the 2nd session. This time with no 25 (Fen Fen from Hubei). Face 7, white skin, body 7, 5 but small boob. I read on local forum that she's quite popular and have a good service. After about 15 minutes massage, we discussed about the service. Agreed at 1000 K, then she open her chlotes. Ritual as usual foreplay, BBBJ, MOT, WOT, scissor and finished in doggie. Not bad but not very good, I will give FJ = 7, 5.

Went out poorer but happy.

Went to Classic Terminal. 4 Pm and already at least 50 girls. Mostly young. Prices are the same 271k for one girl and 400k for twosome. I went with an 18yo local. Pretty but poor service. She basically lay there. Well, thats what happens with the young ones on many occasions.

BBBJ and CFS.

Any suggestions in Bandung? I am going to be there for a week?

Cheers

Hey Hbengkok do you Play 1000k direct to the girl or do you pay it at the end at the receptionist / cashier?

[QUOTE=Hbengkok; 1276232]Long time not visiting this spa, finally last week I went there. Located at Lindeteves Trade Center (LTC) Glodok, jl, Hayam Wuruk. A bit difficult to find the way to the spa at 8th floor if you don't use a car, asking security at 1st floor and found it. They have local and Chinese massaseur.

First I choose Chinese massaseur (350 K / hour). Pick number 83 (name SanSan or CHanChan from Shenzen) as papasan suggested (good massage and can speak english). Massage's so so, but what I don't like was she try to upselling. For extra services like FJ normally for PRC about 800. 1000 K, but she ask for 1200 K. Other service also more expensive. So I just choose massage only.

Unsatisfied, after ate some free food and order (pay) drink, I again choose the 2nd session. This time with no 25 (Fen Fen from Hubei). Face 7, white skin, body 7, 5 but small boob. I read on local forum that she's quite popular and have a good service. After about 15 minutes massage, we discussed about the service. Agreed at 1000 K, then she open her chlotes. Ritual as usual foreplay, BBBJ, MOT, WOT, scissor and finished in doggie. Not bad but not very good, I will give FJ = 7, 5.

Went out poorer but happy.[/QUOTE]

Went to Hotel Travel at about 11 o'clock in the evening last night. It was heaving, almost like the subway in Tokyo at peak hour, people lining up for rooms. I had no less than three girls say "Nggak mau!" (I'm not fat, disfigured, or unusually ugly) to a bule customer. Never had anything like that before, maybe it was so busy that they'd all reached their quotas or whatever, they were being more picky. One of them said she'd do it, but only with another girl there too. In the end, I went down to Jaksa and pulled a girl there instead, at least I wasn't going to cop flack for being a bule there. I won't cross Hotel Travel off my list, but I'm not going back on Friday night.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1276939]I won't cross Hotel Travel off my list.[/QUOTE]I crossed it off years ago. I'm about as much bule basi as you get and I think it's a crap place for a westerner to go. I do speak bahasa, but I've had nothing but bad experiences there. It's a fine place for locals or Malaysians, but I don't recommend it to any of my western friends. Bad service from the girls and the rooms are not nice. The locals loudly singing karaoke in the main room is annoying as well.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1277024]I crossed it off years ago. I'm about as much bule basi as you get and I think it's a crap place for a westerner to go. I do speak bahasa, but I've had nothing but bad experiences there. It's a fine place for locals or Malaysians, but I don't recommend it to any of my western friends. Bad service from the girls and the rooms are not nice. The locals loudly singing karaoke in the main room is annoying as well.[/QUOTE]Really? I'm a big fat bule, and I've had maybe 10 sessions there, ranging from good to spectacular. Never less than good. I do tend to go earlier in the day, maybe mid-late afternoon, or before 10 PM.

I'll be in Jakarta in 2 weeks. Any good experience on cif and of so whas it included or with extra kost?

[QUOTE=Fitnfun; 1276475]Went to Classic Terminal. 4 Pm and already at least 50 girls. Mostly young. Prices are the same 271k for one girl and 400k for twosome. I went with an 18yo local. Pretty but poor service. She basically lay there. Well, thats what happens with the young ones on many occasions.

BBBJ and CFS.

Any suggestions in Bandung? I am going to be there for a week?

Cheers[/QUOTE]I spent a week at Classic hotel last month, and visited Terminal and Terminal 2 every night. The lookers arrive after 8pm and the rate is R270, 000 plus tip around R50, 000 for a session lasting around 45 minutes. Wait at the ground floor restaurant and watch the girls come in and head to the elevators. Try to make eye contact and if lucky chat up a girl that you have the hots for and catch up with her later at the Terminal she works at. Huge selection of gals, some good performers, the others need to be guided. Once you set up a rapport with a girl you like, take her cell number and shag her during the daytime for R 200, 000 tip plus a lunch. Visit the ground floor karaoke bar if you like to enjoy Russian and Kazakh women. Some are stunners, asking for R2 million, negotiated down to R1. 5, but performance was basic. Locals go for this flesh as a status symbol. Tried Hotel Travel, but girls at Classic are much better. Alexis is expensive and you waste time sitting in the Maanga Dua traffic. English is not a popular language. Tell the hotel bell hop where you need to travel and he will get the Blue Bird cab to drop you off. Keep a hotel card and get a Blue bird cab to get you back. Beware of the other cabbies. Negotiate before you get in.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;1276692]Hey Hbengkok do you Play 1000k direct to the girl or do you pay it at the end at the receptionist / cashier?[/QUOTE]This time I paid at cashier with my credit card. There's a form that the massage girl want you to sign, one column is about the tip, that you can fill / write how much you want to give. Before I know, I bring cash for tip, but because wearing robe / short without pocket, it; s difficult to hide the money.

[QUOTE=Zenlove; 1277413]I spent a week at Classic hotel last month, and visited Terminal and Terminal 2 every night.

Visit the ground floor karaoke bar if you like to enjoy Russian and Kazakh women. Some are stunners, asking for R2 million, negotiated down to R1. 5, but performance was basic.[/QUOTE]Are they freelance or work at karaoke?

Where exactly the place? At the Classic Club they charge about 1, 7 million for the imported lady, but since you can negotiate maybe they aren't from there.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Zenlove;1277413]The lookers arrive after 8pm and the rate is R270, 000 plus tip around R50, 000 for a session lasting around 45 minutes. Wait at the ground floor restaurant and watch the girls come in and head to the elevators. Try to make eye contact and if lucky chat up a girl that you have the hots for and catch up with her later at the Terminal she works at. Huge selection of gals, some good performers, the others need to be guided. Once you set up a rapport with a girl you like, take her cell number and shag her during the daytime for R 200, 000 tip plus a lunch. Visit the ground floor karaoke bar if you like to enjoy Russian and Kazakh women. Some are stunners, asking for R2 million, negotiated down to R1. 5, but performance was basic. Locals go for this flesh as a status symbol. Tried Hotel Travel, but girls at Classic are much better. Alexis is expensive and you waste time sitting in the Maanga Dua traffic. English is not a popular language. Tell the hotel bell hop where you need to travel and he will get the Blue Bird cab to drop you off. Keep a hotel card and get a Blue bird cab to get you back. Beware of the other cabbies. Negotiate before you get in.[/QUOTE]Actually, the girls from Terminal are there from as early as 4 PM on weekdays and weekends. And the Terminal girls use a backdoor entrance go get in, not the one through the ground floor restaurant.

I'm also not sure how you could negotiate down the price of the import girls at Bunker (the ground floor KTV area with an entrance fee) , as it's 1, 700, 000 Rp. Per hour regardless of your bargaining skills. As far as I know, and I've been there quite a few times, none of the imports go for above 1, 700, 000. And they get pretty pissed off if you don't give them more than 200, 000 Rp. Of tips. The only place I've known that charges higher than 1, 700, 000 for imports (such as Koreans) is Alexis.

Oh, and the Travel Girls are no different than Classik. Once the contract at one venue is over for the girl, they rotate between the two. I've seen the same girls rotate between the two venues for years.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1277024]I crossed it off years ago. I'm about as much bule basi as you get and I think it's a crap place for a westerner to go. I do speak bahasa, but I've had nothing but bad experiences there. It's a fine place for locals or Malaysians, but I don't recommend it to any of my western friends. Bad service from the girls and the rooms are not nice. The locals loudly singing karaoke in the main room is annoying as well.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go as far as "nothing but bad experiences". The girls tend to be young and inexperienced, and often just go starfish. If they can get the job finished in 15 minutes, they'll be back on the couch texting granny back in the village all that much quicker to check on junior. On the other hand, it's one of the only on-site knocking shops open til late at night, which fills a niche need. I've had good service there a few times, including the first time I went, which put me in a favorable state of mind. Still, I prefer slightly older girls who have a better repertoire.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1277024]I crossed it off years ago. I'm about as much bule basi as you get and I think it's a crap place for a westerner to go. I do speak bahasa, but I've had nothing but bad experiences there. It's a fine place for locals or Malaysians, but I don't recommend it to any of my western friends. Bad service from the girls and the rooms are not nice. The locals loudly singing karaoke in the main room is annoying as well.[/QUOTE]As some of you may know, I'm not exactly a bule. But me too, I've never but once, had a good session at Travel. It was with a girl I knew from jl. Industri, and maybe the exception was due to a "please don't tell the mamasan I've worked in a brothel before".

[QUOTE=Menteng;1277929]As some of you may know, I'm not exactly a bule. But me too, I've never but once, had a good session at Travel. It was with a girl I knew from jl. Industri, and maybe the exception was due to a "please don't tell the mamasan I've worked in a brothel before".[/QUOTE]300k is still pretty cheap. Young slim girls from what I remembered, and it was pretty clean. I don't even think if I know how to define good sessions anymore. Give me a pretty girl that knows how to suck and fuck and thats fine with me.

Pb

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1277976]Give me a pretty girl that knows how to suck and fuck and thats fine with me.[/QUOTE]Well, that's the problem. They don't really seem to know or they aren't enthusiastic about putting what they know into practice.

Not a report, but a question. Is genuine Apcalis for sale in Jakarta? Cialis is available in the pharmacies for about Rp350,000 for a two-pack which I can buy worldwide. One would think that there is a sales opportunity here, but I've never been offered it or seen it. I really need a reliable retailer and I don't travel via India. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=John Dust;1279248]Not a report, but a question. Is genuine Apcalis for sale in Jakarta? Cialis is available in the pharmacies for about Rp350,000 for a two-pack which I can buy worldwide. One would think that there is a sales opportunity here, but I've never been offered it or seen it. I really need a reliable retailer and I don't travel via India. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]John, I've bought some at hole in the wall type vendors before, although I didn't ask for it by name, it was just what they had on offer. The guy just said it was "Indian viagra" and that it was good quality and reasonable price (but not dirt cheap, like in India. My favorite brand there was called "Pop-Up", available for about 20 cents a. Pop. We'll talk about population issues on another thread).

Diverging slightly, has anyone come across an Indonesian herb called "pasak bumi" or "tongkat ali"? It's the active ingredient in a lot of the male strength jamu, but is also sold in its pure form by some online vendors. Interesting.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1279270]John, I've bought some at hole in the wall type vendors before, although I didn't ask for it by name, it was just what they had on offer. The guy just said it was "Indian viagra" and that it was good quality and reasonable price (but not dirt cheap, like in India. My favorite brand there was called "Pop-Up", available for about 20 cents a. Pop. We'll talk about population issues on another thread).

Diverging slightly, has anyone come across an Indonesian herb called "pasak bumi" or "tongkat ali"? It's the active ingredient in a lot of the male strength jamu, but is also sold in its pure form by some online vendors. Interesting.[/QUOTE]Years ago a friend gave me a piece of pasak bumi he bought in Banjarmasin. I had to keep it in whiskey and every day I was supposed to drink a small glass of it. Then, after a week my erection would be able to break a coconut. I've never tried the latter one, not the least for lack of an impressive erection.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1279325]Then, after a week my erection would be able to break a coconut. I've never tried the latter one, not the least for lack of an impressive erection.[/QUOTE]Just ask the waitress to open it up for you. It always works for me.

[QUOTE=John Dust;1279248]Not a report, but a question. Is genuine Apcalis for sale in Jakarta? Cialis is available in the pharmacies for about Rp350,000 for a two-pack which I can buy worldwide. One would think that there is a sales opportunity here, but I've never been offered it or seen it. I really need a reliable retailer and I don't travel via India. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]That sounds expensive, I can get Cialis in Kuala Lumpur for USD47-50 for a pack of four from the pharmacy.
[QUOTE=Menteng;1279325]Years ago a friend gave me a piece of pasak bumi he bought in Banjarmasin. I had to keep it in whiskey and every day I was supposed to drink a small glass of it. Then, after a week my erection would be able to break a coconut. I've never tried the latter one, not the least for lack of an impressive erection.[/QUOTE]
Hahahahahaha You forget we've seen your photos bro. :p I have some friends who do swear by Tongkat Ali as well, and I have tried one of the concoctions with it. It worked quite well but my doctor has issued strict instructions not to consume anything which has not had proper clinical trials. This was after an episode with some supposed Macca extract where I ended up with a bleeding nose and blood in the semen (after a strenuous session;)). Scared the living daylights out of me.

MD II

Hi, I'm going to Thailand for a month starting July 13. I had the plan of going to Indonesia around July 24 and stay for a week, just to experince a different mongering scene compared to Bangkok, but notice ramadan starts July 20? My luck hehe.

Now I'm thinking of going to Jakarta July 15 and stay until 19. What do you guys think, is it worth going to Jakarta for those few days and to hopefully have a good time or will it be too much hassle? What I really want is to expernce something different compared to the mongering scene in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80; 1280212]Hi, I'm going to Thailand for a month starting July 13. I had the plan of going to Indonesia around July 24 and stay for a week, just to experince a different mongering scene compared to Bangkok, but notice ramadan starts July 20? My luck hehe.

Now I'm thinking of going to Jakarta July 15 and stay until 19. What do you guys think, is it worth going to Jakarta for those few days and to hopefully have a good time or will it be too much hassle? What I really want is to expernce something different compared to the mongering scene in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Any time other than Ramadhan, I'd do it. But not during Ramadhan. Maybe try the Philippines?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1280217]Any time other than Ramadhan, I'd do it. But not during Ramadhan. Maybe try the Philippines?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I have been considering going to Angeles in the Philippines, but after reading on the forum, it is not so much to do beside fucking.

I will think about going to Jakarta July 15, and go back to Bangkok the day before Ramadan starts; July 19. The days just before Ramadan should be ok, right?

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1279721]This was after an episode with some supposed Macca extract where I ended up with a bleeding nose and blood in the semen (after a strenuous session.). Scared the living daylights out of me.

MD II[/QUOTE]Are you sure it was the Macca? I've never touched that, but during a session at Knight1001's place I bleeded like a pig while the girl was giving a BBBJ. I was scared like hell but imagine the girls reaction!

BTW, any of you know about bro Knight's whereabouts? Have lost track.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80; 1280240]Thanks for the reply. I have been considering going to Angeles in the Philippines, but after reading on the forum, it is not so much to do beside fucking.

I will think about going to Jakarta July 15, and go back to Bangkok the day before Ramadan starts; July 19. The days just before Ramadan should be ok, right?[/QUOTE]The day before ramadan should be OK. But keep in mind that people start fasting at the sunrise so maybe only July 19 can slightly problematic.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1280268]BTW, any of you know about bro Knight's whereabouts? Have lost track.[/QUOTE]He was in the area around Nov 2011 for a month or so, traveling and having good time. I suspect he's back home and planning a trip later this year?

[QUOTE=Master Diver II;1279721]after an episode with some supposed Macca extract where I ended up with a bleeding nose and blood in the semen[/QUOTE]I take a lot of highly concentrated Maca every day since it comes from here in Peru. Its innocuous and just gives you more energy and a greater quantity of semen.

[QUOTE=David_33;1280425]I take a lot of highly concentrated Maca every day since it comes from here in Peru. Its innocuous and just gives you more energy and a greater quantity of semen.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Menteng; 1280268]Are you sure it was the Macca? I've never touched that, but during a session at Knight1001's place I bleeded like a pig while the girl was giving a BBBJ. I was scared like hell but imagine the girls reaction!

BTW, any of you know about bro Knight's whereabouts? Have lost track.[/QUOTE]I believe the basis is that most things that help in terms of erections, do so by dilating blood vessels. The key is correct dosage and how your body reacts to it. Either my macca extract included something else or it's not suitable for me. The incident occurred during the second round, which incidentally followed shortly after the first round; little bro woke up while showering after round 1 - this was not normal for me as I was already in my 40s!:p Anyway, it's safer for me to stay away rather than risk other health issues.

Knight was here around November (I think) but he's based in Europe or Middle East now. I think JAD should know, as I heard they met up. I have his email address somewhere and will forward to you if I find it bro.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80; 1280212]Hi, I'm going to Thailand for a month starting July 13. I had the plan of going to Indonesia around July 24 and stay for a week, just to experince a different mongering scene compared to Bangkok, but notice ramadan starts July 20? My luck hehe.

Now I'm thinking of going to Jakarta July 15 and stay until 19. What do you guys think, is it worth going to Jakarta for those few days and to hopefully have a good time or will it be too much hassle? What I really want is to expernce something different compared to the mongering scene in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Normally the first couple of days, the two days in the middle and the last few days of Ramadhan may be difficult. Ironically, some of the girls don't mind having fun during the night so it's not all bad; you do need to know your way around though. Alternatively, if you're into it, the internet dating scene can still reap dividends.

MD II

A doctor friend of mine told me that a lot of guys who are on daily Aspirin treatment for their heart condition do not even know that their blood gets to be so thin that they freak out when they get uncontrollable bleeding I. E. Even from just overly aggressive dental flossing.

SEAJ

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1265580]More tits![/QUOTE]Where is this sir?

I wonder if any of you know of any establishments like spa`s or bordellos here in Jakarta that have girls who offer anal sex, and that you might be able to request this from the management / mamasan. In my experience I only had a few girls who agreed on anal sex in 2012, a couple of girls in-house girls at the stadium bordello and a few freelancers at the bars in blokm. However there should be establishments which can offer services like this, anyone has any light to shed on anal sex in Jakarta?

[QUOTE=Wamena;1281145]I wonder if any of you know of any establishments like spa`s or bordellos here in Jakarta that have girls who offer anal sex, and that you might be able to request this from the management / mamasan.[/QUOTE]In my limited experience, that approach doesn't go down well, or certainly not until you are a known regular with a good reputation. In fact, I tried it at Berlian a while back, and I had a bit of a bad reputation for a visit or two, one or two of the girls whispered to each other and turned me away, even when I didn't ask for anything like that again. After a visit or two, the word got around that I don't push for weird stuff or get "kecewa" when they say no and, more importantly, I tip. So now I'm back in favor again. I find if you have a good time with a girl and then go back, she's much more likely to offer more the second time. Had that with Michelle the other day, quite good the first time around but way better the second, a great AR performer. She doesn't take it up the ass, though.

[QUOTE=Wamena;1281145]I wonder if any of you know of any establishments like spa`s or bordellos here in Jakarta that have girls who offer anal sex, and that you might be able to request this from the management / mamasan. In my experience I only had a few girls who agreed on anal sex in 2012, a couple of girls in-house girls at the stadium bordello and a few freelancers at the bars in blokm. However there should be establishments which can offer services like this, anyone has any light to shed on anal sex in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]I had in the past posted about Ibu Linda's massage parlor in Hayam Wuruk area. It's a couple of streets before the street where Berlian is. Almost every girl offers Anal, since almost all are 30+. At Maribaya, there is a girl by name Yeni. She is from Surabaya and have seen her there for over 10 years there. She is game with anything including Anal. I guess, if you try and pick up a girl who is 30 and above in any bordello, you are most likely to get Anal. That's what has been my experience.

Cheers,

Jakarta FR.

I simply love jakarta for the quality and ease of carrying out my activities. First night in CJs was a Sunday and the number of girls were less than normal. Saw several old timers but was attracted to a very good looking girl who quoted 2 juta for ST. Tried to bring her down but no luck so ended up taking another girl for 1 juta for LT.

2nd night back in CJ, picked up a girl who I had tried during my earlier visit. I had found the experience good and was happy to repeat her. She did not disappoint and was great fun for the next 3 hours. After that let her go and went to sleep as I had to travel early next morning.

After 2 days, again found the same girl I had missed on the 1st night and offered her 1. 5 million to which she agreed. Apparently she has half arabic lineage and was absolutely GFE in bed. The only problem is the high cost for ST. She does not stay LT or thats what she told me.

Last night in jakarta wanted to try out Hartono about which I had heard so much. Took a taxi to his place and it was really tough finding the address. Also used google map to trace the address but several roads had detours as they were closed. Finally found the place and was welcomed by the mamasan. She arranged the lineup of about 8 girls out of which I only found one of the girls to be worth the money. The standard rate is 3 mill for 4 hours. Paid the cash and took the girl to my hotel. One of the best experience I would say. Although expensive the girl was absolutely GFE and took lot of efforts to make me satisfied. Stayed for almost 4 hours and we made full use of it. Had 3 pops and the girl did not mind going for another one. She said if she is late beyond the 4 hours she has to pay hartono 3 mill (not sure if thats true)

Hope to be back soon and try out more of the hartono pearls. Also wanted to check out Alexis / Travel this time but did not get the chance so planning to do that next time.

Thanks MurphyLove for that Hartono report. I've heard of the name before but never realized that it was a take out house.

One mill, one and a half mill, two mill, three mill, before you know it you're talking serious money.

Am I too long out of the bar scene? Is that the sort of money that's being thrown around these days?

No wonder my never-ending supply of students from East Jakarta always insist on an extra fifty thou "buat ongkos" when I pay them my going rate of three hundred thou.

I used to think I was a big spender too, pelit buanget mister!

[QUOTE=Dorman; 1283589]One mill, one and a half mill, two mill, three mill, before you know it you're talking serious money.

Am I too long out of the bar scene? Is that the sort of money that's being thrown around these days?[/QUOTE]Absolutely not. At least I would hope you guys aren't paying those kind of prices.

Hartono's has always been over priced. In my opinion, paying $300 in Jakarta for a short time girl who is not some kind of star is a bit nutty. You can find hot girls all over town!

Here's a story about my last visit to Hartono's: (I've only been there 3 times and have never taken a girl from there.) About 4 years ago, I had taken a very hot girl from Tiga Puluh the night before. I must say she was a stunner and a very rare find. I shagged her 3 times that night and paid her 700k in the morning. At that time, it was the most I had ever given any girl in Jakarta, but she was really nice so I thought it was worth the money. We ended up hanging out the next day and going to a movie together. After the movie, we took a taxi and I dropped her off at home in a silverbird taxi. After dropping her off, the taxi told me she was a very nice girl and asked me how much I paid for her. I didn't tell him how much, but he then asked me if I wanted to have another girl even better than her. I said "sure" and off we drove. He took me to Hartono's. At first I was disappointed to see where we landed because I had been there before and not seen any girls I thought worth that kind of money. He guaranteed me that they had many girls in there as nice or better than the girl I had just been with. So I went in and checked. There were about 8 girls in there at the time and ONE of them was in the same league as the girl I had just dropped off. But I chatted with that girl and she didn't have an attitude that I appreciated so I took a pass. I then went outside and told the taxi that he was wrong about the girls being better than the other one, but thanked him for trying.

A few weeks later, I saw that hotty from Tiga Puluh at Bats standing in front of the elevators outside Bats arguing with a Japanese guy. She was demanding 2 million for the night and he was telling her it should only be 1 million since he just paid 2 million for her drinks and dinner inside Bats. I'm not sure how that worked out, but it's obvious that these girls ask whatever rate they think they can get.

I will say that even though girls at Blok M and CJs and Bats have upped their rates, Hartono's still charges 3 million. And from what they claim, these are not girls who are as hard core as the Bats or Cjs girls.

For my taste and value for money, I'd prefer Dorman's student girls over the hartono's chicks.

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1283641]Absolutely not. At least I would hope you guys aren't paying those kind of prices.

Hartono's has always been over priced. In my opinion, paying $300 in Jakarta for a short time girl who is not some kind of star is a bit nutty. You can find hot girls all over town!

Here's a story about my last visit to Hartono's: (I've only been there 3 times and have never taken a girl from there.) About 4 years ago, I had taken a very hot girl from Tiga Puluh the night before. I must say she was a stunner and a very rare find. I shagged her 3 times that night and paid her 700k in the morning. At that time, it was the most I had ever given any girl in Jakarta, but she was really nice so I thought it was worth the money. We ended up hanging out the next day and going to a movie together. After the movie, we took a taxi and I dropped her off at home in a silverbird taxi. After dropping her off, the taxi told me she was a very nice girl and asked me how much I paid for her. I didn't tell him how much, but he then asked me if I wanted to have another girl even better than her. I said "sure" and off we drove. He took me to Hartono's. At first I was disappointed to see where we landed because I had been there before and not seen any girls I thought worth that kind of money. He guaranteed me that they had many girls in there as nice or better than the girl I had just been with. So I went in and checked. There were about 8 girls in there at the time and ONE of them was in the same league as the girl I had just dropped off. But I chatted with that girl and she didn't have an attitude that I appreciated so I took a pass. I then went outside and told the taxi that he was wrong about the girls being better than the other one, but thanked him for trying.

A few weeks later, I saw that hotty from Tiga Puluh at Bats standing in front of the elevators outside Bats arguing with a Japanese guy. She was demanding 2 million for the night and he was telling her it should only be 1 million since he just paid 2 million for her drinks and dinner inside Bats. I'm not sure how that worked out, but it's obvious that these girls ask whatever rate they think they can get.

I will say that even though girls at Blok M and CJs and Bats have upped their rates, Hartono's still charges 3 million. And from what they claim, these are not girls who are as hard core as the Bats or Cjs girls.

For my taste and value for money, I'd prefer Dorman's student girls over the hartono's chicks.[/QUOTE]I'm with Smoothy on all points. I took a Hartonos girl once (9 years ago) and while the "service was good, it wasn't mind blowing. At that time I was charged 3 million LT. Not my choice really but my managing director insisted that we all partake. It was on expenses so at least my pocket wasn't hit. During the same trip, he had someone bring some girls to our roomsat2 million LT. The girl gave me her number and came over the next night; she was happy to leave in the morning with 500k. Sometimes the "arrangers" or pimps are taking a huge cut. Since then I've become a lot more seasoned and seen much the same thing as Smoothy: the girls will assess you and take what they think they can get. Hence, I always stay in smaller boutique hotels (favourite question: where are you staying = how much you can afford) and let them know very early that I have been to Jakarta many times and know my prices.

Even now that I have moved to the dating scene, a similar scenario is at play; so I will always stay somewhere decent but not overly expensive, and go out to simple as well as nicer restaurants. It sets the "oleh oleh" and general expectation levels accordingly. One might not be averse to the odd penniless student though. ;)

MD II

I came in as a newbie. I discovered Jakarta's lack of infrastructure and mass transit. Its a miserable city but the people who live there are proud just like anywhere else they probably think they live in the best place in the world. There are not so many foreigners around. I found the local people are nice. In many respects nicer and not jaded or spoiled like the Thais.

In the day time it was miserably hot and polluted. Traffic is bad and its doesn't seem like there is much to do. I rarely saw a park or a nice place. There are some interesting narrow streets and ghettos. The Girls are nice. There are places all for around for pay and play. I can't recall any addresses but I even got laid in the Stadium Disco aswell as the Dojo ghetto brothel area where you get a cheap screw in a nasty little room and can wash after with a pail of water and a ladle. The girls were not expensive and in my experience they were enjoyable. Yeah Jakarta has some sweet poontang but a bit of a torturous place to live. I think 3 nights is enough time for a visit to Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Globotto;1284460]. I can't recall any addresses but I even got laid in the Stadium Disco aswell as the Dojo ghetto brothel area where you get a cheap screw in a nasty little room and can wash after with a pail of water and a ladle. The girls were not expensive and in my experience they were enjoyable.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call that exactly a hard sell, but even so, it's interesting, I don't think we've heard much about Dojo on this forum. Care to tell us a bit more? Prices?

The trouble with seedy brothel districts in my view is that they tend to be only slightly cheaper than Kota bordellos, but not as good value, in my experience, but prove me wrong.

I'll second Giobotto's sentiments on the people and physical environment of Jakarta. I took the bus a lot which was hot but fun. The young people there give their seat to elderly and women which is very polite. I had one of the best DIAs ever in Jakarta. She had HUGE knockers and we banged 5X in 24 hours. A recent record for me. On our second date she brought a girlfriend who was younger, hotter and even bustier! The three of us had a fantastic time. One of my best times ever! When I go back in October I'm going to take her to Bali, possibly with another of her girlfriends. Sorry, guys, no contact info. I'm keeping this one for me.

[QUOTE=Globotto; 1284460]I came in as a newbie. I discovered Jakarta's lack of infrastructure and mass transit. Its a miserable city but the people who live there are proud just like anywhere else they probably think they live in the best place in the world. There are not so many foreigners around. I found the local people are nice. In many respects nicer and not jaded or spoiled like the Thais.

In the day time it was miserably hot and polluted. Traffic is bad and its doesn't seem like there is much to do. I rarely saw a park or a nice place. There are some interesting narrow streets and ghettos. The Girls are nice. There are places all for around for pay and play. I can't recall any addresses but I even got laid in the Stadium Disco aswell as the Dojo ghetto brothel area where you get a cheap screw in a nasty little room and can wash after with a pail of water and a ladle. The girls were not expensive and in my experience they were enjoyable. Yeah Jakarta has some sweet poontang but a bit of a torturous place to live. I think 3 nights is enough time for a visit to Jakarta.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=D Cups;1284597]I'll second Giobotto's sentiments on the people and physical environment of Jakarta. I took the bus a lot which was hot but fun. The young people there give their seat to elderly and women which is very polite. I had one of the best DIAs ever in Jakarta. She had HUGE knockers and we banged 5X in 24 hours. A recent record for me. On our second date she brought a girlfriend who was younger, hotter and even bustier! The three of us had a fantastic time. One of my best times ever! When I go back in October I'm going to take her to Bali, possibly with another of her girlfriends. Sorry, guys, no contact info. I'm keeping this one for me.[/QUOTE]I can totally understand that bro. A lot of these girls are not the type you can necessarily pass around. You need to get to know them and let them like you. There are some straight up P4Ps on the dating sites, but those are a different kettle of fish. Thinking about the Jakarta environs, yes it's not easy to find parks (ok there is one around Monas and whatever happened to Taman Ria Senayan) but the city grows on you in a funny way and you learn to find little havens here and there; you also learn to time yourself to avoid the worst of the traffic. Is it strange to find myself having withdrawal symptoms if I haven't come back here for a month?

MD II

[QUOTE=Globotto;1284460]I came in as a newbie. I discovered Jakarta's lack of infrastructure and mass transit. Its a miserable city but the people.In the day time it was miserably hot and polluted. Traffic is bad and its doesn't seem like there is much to do. I rarely saw a park or a nice place. There are some interesting narrow streets and ghettos. a bit of a torturous place to live. I think 3 nights is enough time for a visit to Jakarta.[/QUOTE]More so than most cities, Hotel in Jakarta makes a big difference. One that's like an oasis is what you need. IF you want to go cheap, or you're just low budget, you're liable to conclude something like this guy did. There's a new Sofitel that's being built near to the Mercure, Looking forward as soon as it's ready.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1284819]More so than most cities, Hotel in Jakarta makes a big difference. One that's like an oasis is what you need. IF you want to go cheap, or you're just low budget, you're liable to conclude something like this guy did. There's a new Sofitel that's being built near to the Mercure, Looking forward as soon as it's ready.[/QUOTE]Great city to live in, lousy city to pass through.

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1284793]I can totally understand that bro. A lot of these girls are not the type you can necessarily pass around. You need to get to know them and let them like you. There are some straight up P4Ps on the dating sites, but those are a different kettle of fish. Thinking about the Jakarta environs, yes it's not easy to find parks (ok there is one around Monas and whatever happened to Taman Ria Senayan) but the city grows on you in a funny way and you learn to find little havens here and there; you also learn to time yourself to avoid the worst of the traffic. Is it strange to find myself having withdrawal symptoms if I haven't come back here for a month?

MD II[/QUOTE]I know exactly what you mean. Jakarta is a dirty, smelly place with way too many cars (although during Idul Fitri the streets are mercifully empty and you can actually see the mountains that surround the town). But it is like you say: it grows on you and you can never really leave.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=OmBule; 1270992]Now the next day I was at Ambaraukmo Plaza, the swankiest mall in Jogjakarta. There's a newish star-rated hotel next to it, the Hotel Ambarukmo. On the opposite side of the street, just before where the warung nasi kambing is, there is a seafood restaurant.

I.[/QUOTE]Well as you wrote such a nice detailed report I remember some practical yogyakarta info.

If you pass Ambarukmo plaza (it is on your left side) , just continue straight on and you will see a pertamina station (really not far). Just behind the station turn left and follow the road for a few minutes (I am talking about a motorized vehicle). This road will lead you to some nice local music bars where local students hang out. I never saw any bule (especially the usual lucifer / ruiz crowd) hang around there. It could be interesting to see what you can get there, especially if you are around for more then a few days. If you would like something more organized. Just sit down at the family karaoke in this street (your left side / big sign / parking place / an ATM inside the sportcomplex nextdoor). No way you can miss it) and a guy speaking english quite well will approach you to offer girls. Pictures are provided on his cellphone. I do not know the prices but as it is hard to find in yogya some organized FS this could be your place.

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1283641]Absolutely not. At least I would hope you guys aren't paying those kind of prices.

Hartono's has always been over priced. In my opinion, paying $300 in Jakarta for a short time girl who is not some kind of star is a bit nutty. You can find hot girls all over town!

H[/QUOTE]I almost got a heart attack when I read those prices.

Most I paid in jakarta was around 1. 4 juta, which included 1 hour excellent roomservicecallmassage and 1 hour FS in a 4-5 star jakarta hotel for quite perfect looking local midtwenty girls. Which is still to much in my opinion but they know what you pay for the room and they know the massage heated you up (2 hours massage in a 4-5 star hotel should be around 400. 000 ). On the other hand it includes you just staying in your room without having to face traffic, getting hot outside and lose time. Short term, less girlfriendfeeling though. But o so perfect bodies and face. Excellent service.

Most I payed in Bali kuta was 700. 000 for a full (well 4 hours.) night.

Streetwise full night in medan around 600. 000 total. But watch out what you pick up qualitywise, they may look good but are drugged most of the time.

Nowadays I prefer dating websites and if I do not have time or just want a professional treatment without hassle afterwards I go to the more "little" jakarta massage spa's which cost around 500. 000 for spa and 1. 5 hours of FS. Perhaps still not the cheapest choice timewise but pratical.

[QUOTE=Dorman; 1283589]One mill, one and a half mill, two mill, three mill, before you know it you're talking serious money.

Am I too long out of the bar scene? Is that the sort of money that's being thrown around these days?

No wonder my never-ending supply of students from East Jakarta always insist on an extra fifty thou "buat ongkos" when I pay them my going rate of three hundred thou.

I used to think I was a big spender too, pelit buanget mister![/QUOTE]Well, I have spent that and also paid 400, 600 to others during my earlier stays. It all depends on the girl and whether your johny has developed the hots for her in which case, brain stops working. On a more serious note, people like me visit jakarta for 3. 4 days and attend meetings all through the day. So its difficult to really spend time trying to hook up girls and have to do the best with whatever is easily available. Maybe at a higher cost because the window of time is so short. The downside of waiting too long to bring down the price is that you may end up missing the girl and going alone for the night cursing that you should have agreed to the price, which has happened to me. This is the first time I spent 3 mill or for that matter even 1. 5 mill in jakarta. I have always stayed within 700 to 1 mill which is more or less the going rate for LT of better looking girls in CJs.

I wish I could stay longer and develop my own supply of students from east jakarta but not everyone is as lucky as you.

Has somebody participated on one of the JakartaAfterDark-Tours recently? Can those tours be recommended?

Giotto

Hi Giotto,

You may remember me as the Rev. Spent a week at your wonderful place about 2 years back from south africa.

I found JAD tour absolutely brilliant and as a new guy in jakarta would not have been able to negotiate my way without this help from JAD.

Not only does he know his way around he is fun to be with and has a broad understanding of all things worldly and exp of the city and its delights. Spend the money you won't be disappointed.

The rev

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1286560]Has somebody participated on one of the JakartaAfterDark-Tours recently? Can those tours be recommended?

Giotto[/QUOTE]He wants 200 hundred bucks to go around with you for 3 hours. In a public cab. With you paying the fare.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1286560]Has somebody participated on one of the JakartaAfterDark-Tours recently? Can those tours be recommended?

Giotto[/QUOTE]Getting to lazy Giotto? Do some research. Yes JAD has been recommended by many here.

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1286697]Getting to lazy Giotto? Do some research.[/QUOTE]Yep,

I am very lazy by nature. Did a search of JAD, found nothing. Search of JakartaAfterDark returned some results in 2011.

I thought there should be some more recent tour reports or recommendations. May be not.

Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1286701]Yep,

I am very lazy by nature. Did a search of JAD, found nothing. Search of JakartaAfterDark returned some results in 2011.

I thought there should be some more recent tour reports or recommendations. May be not.

Giotto[/QUOTE]From David_33

"I just spent a week and a half in Jakarta and used Jakarta After Dark's service. JAD was extremely knowledgeable and made my trip a much easier and enjoyable one. I would highly recommend his assistance."

13/5-12.

PB

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan; 1286715]From David_33

"I just spent a week and a half in Jakarta and used Jakarta After Dark's service. JAD was extremely knowledgeable and made my trip a much easier and enjoyable one. I would highly recommend his assistance."

13/5-12.

PB[/QUOTE]Found it. Classified ads section. Nothing here in the Jakarta thread?

Reports from the guy Jakarta After Dark 2 obviously deleted, links don't work. Was there an incident here in the Indonesia forum?

Giotto

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1286691]He wants 200 hundred bucks to go around with you for 3 hours. In a public cab. With you paying the fare.[/QUOTE]Ahhh.

I begin to realize why he might have disappeared...the "Cheap-Charly" discussions. 50 USD for LT in Phnom Penh is - too much. I know. And please - DO NOT TIP!

Basically - I would NOT drive around in a taxi in Jakarta for 200 USD / 3 hours, even if YOU paid for the taxi fare.


Giotto

[QUOTE=TheAfricanBoy; 1286637]Hi Giotto,

You may remember me as the Rev. Spent a week at your wonderful place about 2 years back from south africa.

I found JAD tour absolutely brilliant and as a new guy in jakarta would not have been able to negotiate my way without this help from JAD.

Not only does he know his way around he is fun to be with and has a broad understanding of all things worldly and exp of the city and its delights. Spend the money you won't be disappointed.

The rev[/QUOTE]TheAfricanBoy,

Thanks - that's the kind of reply I had hoped for.

Get back to the Lodge one day - that I can invite you for a beer.


Giotto
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[QUOTE=Giotto; 1286726]Ahhh.

I begin to realize why he might have disappeared. The "Cheap-Charly" discussions. 50 USD for LT in Phnom Penh is. Too much. I know. And please. DO NOT TIP!

Basically. I would NOT drive around in a taxi in Jakarta for 200 USD / 3 hours, even if YOU paid for the taxi fare.[/QUOTE]Don't need to tell me. You need a chaperone for 200 bucks plus cab fare, with JAD you got one.

[QUOTE=Giotto;1286726]I would NOT drive around in a taxi in Jakarta for 200 USD / 3 hours, even if YOU paid for the taxi fare.Giotto[/QUOTE]He isn't around any more because Jackson had a problem with him posting his videos all over the forum. JAD has apologized and is awaiting reinstatement.

You pay once and from then on he helps you during your trip for nothing (at least that is what happened with me). I did invite him to eat with me a couple of times, but mostly in the executive lounge so it didn't cost me anything. For someone on his own its nice to have help with the money changing, Sim card purchasing and getting around in Jakarta which is for me, a completely confusing city. He also txt´d for me in Indonesian when I had a communication breakdown with a cutie.

[QUOTE=David_33; 1286813].

You pay once and from then on he helps you during your trip for nothing (at least that is what happened with me). I did invite him to eat with me a couple of times, but mostly in the executive lounge so it didn't cost me anything. For someone on his own its nice to have help with the money changing, Sim card purchasing and getting around in Jakarta which is for me, a completely confusing city. He also txt'the for me in Indonesian when I had a communication breakdown with a cutie.[/QUOTE]Thanks, David.

Looks like a good deal to me then.

I just realize that my 200 USD / 3 hours comment will most likely be misunderstood. I would not suffer Jakarta in a taxi for USD 200 / 3 hours - I would take much more.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1286560]Has somebody participated on one of the JakartaAfterDark-Tours recently? Can those tours be recommended?

Giotto[/QUOTE]As with most things in life, it's what you make of it that matters. I took JAD's tour some 8 years ago. We've been friends since then, and he's a really helpful guy. He can give you a crash course on Jakarta and it does give you a head start; In the long run, you do save money and he does help in more ways than one. We still meet up for coffees and meals when I'm in town, but I'm more than capable of finding my own ceweks nowadays.

MD II

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1286691]He wants 200 hundred bucks to go around with you for 3 hours. In a public cab. With you paying the fare.[/QUOTE]Business must have changed then. He used to drive his own car. Anyway, his "aftersales" activities are great!

[QUOTE=Menteng;1286960]Business must have changed then. He used to drive his own car. Anyway, his "aftersales" activities are great![/QUOTE]JAD now takes the bus. LOL.

I'll be in Jkt around mid July and looking forward to having a drink and stroll to a few hot spots with him.

[QUOTE=David_33; 1286813]He isn't around any more because Jackson had a problem with him posting his videos all over the forum. JAD has apologized and is awaiting reinstatement.[/QUOTE]I remember watching this videos last year. About places in Jakarta, if I remember correctly. Somebody walking with a hidden camera through various massage / KTV / SPA places. What was wrong with that? I really liked the videos, found them highly informative.

If I read all the positive statements, JAD was obviously adding some value for many of the readers of this forum. Why is such a member AWAITING REINSTATEMENT? Do we have so many members that add this kind of value to the forum?

Obviously yes.


Giotto (shaking his head in disbelieve)

[QUOTE=Giotto;1287161]Why is such a member AWAITING REINSTATEMENT?[/QUOTE]The way I understand it, there wouldn't have been any problem if JAD had just posted on the Jakarta threads, but he posted all over the forum and Jackson got irked. Its too bad.

[QUOTE=David_33;1287166]The way I understand it, there wouldn't have been any problem if JAD had just posted on the Jakarta threads, but he posted all over the forum and Jackson got irked. Its too bad.[/QUOTE]Understand.

Now - it would have been possible to leave the info at least there where it belongs. And send a message to JAD: "You are bad. You are so very bad. You are contributing TOO MUCH to my site! Don't do that! Only do that in the Indonesia forum. Got it???"

That would do the trick. But no. Not even in the Jakarta thread or the classified ads in Indonesia.

All ok for me. No smileys. A stupid auto-correction system, that permanently forces me to correct the auto-correction system. But useful contributions in the Indonesia forum are deleted. That's the way it goes. That's the future of the forum?

Thanks.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto;1287169]That's the way it goes. That's the future of the forum?[/QUOTE]Thr future of the forum is no different than the present of the forum: to continue making profits for whoever is running it. That's the way it goes. Easy to lose sight of, huhn.

[QUOTE=David_33;1287166]The way I understand it, there wouldn't have been any problem if JAD had just posted on the Jakarta threads, but he posted all over the forum and Jackson got irked. Its too bad.[/QUOTE]I think not everybody is aware about the contents of those particular rants of JAD.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1287429]I think not everybody is aware about the contents of those particular rants of JAD.[/QUOTE]Yes bro, myself included. It's a pity because he is a great guy. Incidentally, when are you coming back for a visit my mentor? I'll never forget the advice you gave to a friend of mine about "not doing anything". It has become a classic anecdote.

MD II

Gents,

I just visited Jakarta city 7days in May. 2012. During this period, I visited several hotel clubs and bath houses, MP. In the alley of Kartika. However, the outstanding place that was really impressed me the most was Classic terminal. Classic club is also at the ground floor of the hotel. However, this club are Not worth with over charge girls at 800, 000 rp Indo and 1. 6million rp. Import. The Classic terminal is located at the second floor of hotel. At the entrance door, you will be given a wrist band. All drinks and charges during you visit this club will use your wrist band number. Exception is the cost for girl only cash up front. The Classic terminal rooms are big and have enough tables to hold 500customers. Also, there are billiards halls with 9tables. The girls with differents color dress sitting on many sofas around the club rooms. I come to this club everynight and always see at least 100 girls, the busy night, I counted over 200 girls sitting, just amazing to me that I never see that many working girls anywhere in one room, Not even in Bangkok. There are many mamasans working and hunting customers around the club for her girls. Each mamasan works for her own group and dressing color identified her girls. However, all girls are charging at the same rate 270, 000rp. An hour or 400, 000rp. If you take 2girls. What's a bargain here. 45usd is all that cost for 2girls. I use the exchange rate 1usd=9100rp. The girl session was Not really outstanding, just basis FS. And BJ. For one thing. Indo. Girl will only do B. J. With cover. That was fine to me. There was Not any GFE. Even though the girl let me play beforehand. Girls always take me to shower and bath me through out before laying in the bed for actions. I also noticed that Indo. Girls are most smokers than other SEA. Nations. The only downside was cigarettes smoking fill up the air in this Classic terminal. The Tobacco companies do a great job here in Jakarta as over 80% of Indo. People smoking. People can light up the cigarette just about anywhere they want from the toilet to bars, restaurants, any place in hotels, shopping malls, . So, Jakarta is smokers heaven as people say and it is true. Back to the Classic terminal, the value is just awesome great. I also was enjoy the dancing girls on stage nightly and the live band starting from8pm til midnight. The Classic terminal is very honest with No padding bills, No hidden charge, No surprise cost added to your bill. You must go to the cashiers queu to clear the bill and receive a pass to get out the front door. I think this Clasic terminal is the Best club in all SEA. And totally unique.

[QUOTE=Tratnguyen1; 1287479]Gents,

The girl session was Not really outstanding, just basis FS. And BJ. For one thing. Indo. Girl will only do B. J. With cover. That was fine to me. There was Not any GFE. Even though the girl let me play beforehand. Girls always take me to shower and bath me through out before laying in the bed for actions.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you enjoyed yourself overall bro, but I have to say that I'm surprised: I seldom have bad "sessions" in Jakarta and the last time I had a CBJ there was 2003. GFE is also in abundance here as a whole. Maybe your luck was out or you got complacent sitting in Classic. There is so much more to this city.

MD II

Gents,

Besides visiting Classic terminal which was a clear top of club in Jakarta city in term of value and quantity working girls here. I also managed to make a visit to Malio club and Spas with sauna room in Malioboro hotel. Again, this Malioboro hotel use the wrist band system just like Classic terminal. The club girl charges 800000rp. For local Indo. I had a session for 1 hour. The girl was little better GFE. Than Classic terminal but Not by much. So, I gave a tip 200, 000rp. Add to my wrist band tap. I must bring the attention to all of you to be aware that Malioboro is Not honest for all charges and padding the bill with a lot of hidden charges without any descriptions. If you need to do money changer in Malioboro then the rip off rate will be happen 1usd=8000rp in lieu of open market rate 1usd=9100rp. The other day, I went to Alexis bath house on the 7th. Floor of Alexis hotel. I chose a local Indo girl 1. 2million rp. The session was Not something to write about, very much a routine BJ. With cover and FS. With no GFE. At the end, I gave her a token 100000rp. Tip. I do think Alexis bath house is over rated and very expensive for girls here.

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1287667]I'm glad you enjoyed yourself overall bro, but I have to say that I'm surprised: I seldom have bad "sessions" in Jakarta and the last time I had a CBJ there was 2003. GFE is also in abundance here as a whole. Maybe your luck was out or you got complacent sitting in Classic. There is so much more to this city.

MD II[/QUOTE]I have had about 20 girls in Classic in the past year. 3 of them insisted on condom for the BJ. Those 3 got no tip at all from me and I warned them about that up front when they brought out the condom for the BJ. I've gotten GFE 2 times there. All the rest were not GFE. I find the service to be sub par. But the price is cheap as hell. An hour with a young girl even though she provides crap service is still a pretty good deal at under 300k. It's better than Hotel Travel. The rooms are nicer.

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1287431]Yes bro, myself included. It's a pity because he is a great guy. Incidentally, when are you coming back for a visit my mentor? I'll never forget the advice you gave to a friend of mine about "not doing anything". It has become a classic anecdote.

MD II[/QUOTE]Please say hello to JAD and your friend when you see them. I'm settling down in Spain (Palma de Mallorca) now. Planning to stay for about a year. After that, Colombia again. But before Colombia, first I intend to pulang kampung.

Well, finally made it to Jakarta last week, and booked with Lady Panache.

I cannot say it was bad, but it was below my expectations. She is kind and talkative, has a good perspective, but while I was expecting a energetic lady, she didn't have initiative, and I had to drive the whole thing.

A nice person, but not te best experience. I will think about the other poular lady on the website for the next time.

Cheers.

Sauro

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1287744]I have had about 20 girls in Classic in the past year. 3 of them insisted on condom for the BJ. Those 3 got no tip at all from me and I warned them about that up front when they brought out the condom for the BJ. I've gotten GFE 2 times there. All the rest were not GFE. I find the service to be sub par. But the price is cheap as hell. An hour with a young girl even though she provides crap service is still a pretty good deal at under 300k. It's better than Hotel Travel. The rooms are nicer.[/QUOTE]I've tried way more than 20 girls at Classik, possibly at least 50, and 3/4 of them were pure GFE (DFK, hugging, BBBJ, optional bareback and so on). In fact, I got to say I've overall found more GFE here than Thailand and Singapore combined. Maybe it has to do with my age though. I don't know.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1288262]I've tried way more than 20 girls at Classik, possibly at least 50, and 3/4 of them were pure GFE (DFK, hugging, BBBJ, optional bareback and so on). In fact, I got to say I've overall found more GFE here than Thailand and Singapore combined. Maybe it has to do with my age though. I don't know.[/QUOTE]Gents,

If you can have GFE in Classic terminal than It is great for you and more for your power in Jakarta. I found out, all girls that I have been with were just more standard FS. And all BJ. With cover. That was okay to me and I still think at the cost of 270000rp. An hour that is great bargain in everywhere SEA. With quantity of almost 200 girls nightly, there are a lot of above average looking Indo. Girls working. However, I alway have more GFE. In Bangkok because I know the landscape in BKK much better and frequently go to the MP. That people know me quite well.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1288262]Maybe it has to do with my age though. I don't know.[/QUOTE]I thought the problem was to do with their age, not the customers. Most of them just barely squeeze past the 18+ line. Either they don't know what to do with their assets yet or they are used to men lusting after their young flesh without having to do much. Give me the 25+ group in Gajah Mada / Mangga Besar gangs any day.

Can someone please guide me where to buy at Jakarta and the present costs.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Pancha; 1289343]Can someone please guide me where to buy at Jakarta and the present costs.

Thanks[/QUOTE]This has been covered many times but basically any Pharmacy (Apotek) will sell you the original product. If you want a generic then keep an eye out for stalls that say "Obat Perkasa" or "Obat Macho" or Pil Biru. If you are in Kota, those guys are around outside the mongering places.

If you want it delivered, PM me and I will pass you on a number and hey presto a delivery guy will discreetly drop it off to you and you pay him.

Original Viagra is around 480,000 IDR for 4 tablets but delivery of a bottle of 10 50mg Cialis is around 250,000 IDR

Cheers

[QUOTE=Cooze Hound; 1289529]This has been covered many times but basically any Pharmacy (Apotek) will sell you the original product. If you want a generic then keep an eye out for stalls that say "Obat Perkasa" or "Obat Macho" or Pil Biru. If you are in Kota, those guys are around outside the mongering places.

If you want it delivered, PM me and I will pass you on a number and hey presto a delivery guy will discreetly drop it off to you and you pay him.

Original Viagra is around 480, 000 IDR for 4 tablets but delivery of a bottle of 10 50mg Cialis is around 250, 000 IDR.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Be careful with generic medicine in Indonesia, especially bought at the street.

You don't have any control on quality or content.

I saw on television an undercover program that there is a widespread business that people re use bottles. They clean it and fill it with an inferior liquid and sell it like the original brand. Buyers got terrible sick. The so called business men got perhaps 5, 000 Rp per bottle profit; but that is enough profit and reason for them to cheat, even people almost die. And they know it!

My advice: buy you support act at a decent apotek.

Thanks mate. I have bought it before at Mall Amba but was not sure of the originality.

[QUOTE=Cooze Hound; 1289529]This has been covered many times but basically any Pharmacy (Apotek) will sell you the original product. If you want a generic then keep an eye out for stalls that say "Obat Perkasa" or "Obat Macho" or Pil Biru. If you are in Kota, those guys are around outside the mongering places.

If you want it delivered, PM me and I will pass you on a number and hey presto a delivery guy will discreetly drop it off to you and you pay him.

Original Viagra is around 480, 000 IDR for 4 tablets but delivery of a bottle of 10 50mg Cialis is around 250, 000 IDR.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1286691]He wants 200 hundred bucks to go around with you for 3 hours. In a public cab. With you paying the fare.[/QUOTE]While I believe he advertises something like 3 hours, he spent 5 hours chaperoning me around, and probably would have gone 8 or 9 hours if I hadn't conked out. I believe he treats his other customers similarly.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;1290293]While I believe he advertises something like 3 hours, he spent 5 hours chaperoning me around, and probably would have gone 8 or 9 hours if I hadn't conked out. I believe he treats his other customers similarly.[/QUOTE]5 hours? How many shags did you get in during those 5 hours?

Hi,

Will be in Jakarta for the Month of July.

Wanted to check if its going to be active or things will have slowed down because of Ramadan during that time. Sorry if this has been discussed before. Cudnt find the details though.

Thanks

Ah hell, this has been a long time coming, but it is also a long time over due. Been a while since I posted anything, but I may as well cover in general terms my thoughts on the night life around Jakarta. I guess you can split the 'nightlife' that I've visited in Jakarta into 3 groups – Business Hotels, the Blok, a few bars and the 'Bordellos'!

I tend to be in Jakarta for one week, about once a month on average, so get to play around quite a bit and do enjoy the hell out of the place. The only thing I'll mention about money is I generally tend to pay between 500, 000 to 1, 000, 000 and it is all based on the girl's performance. I've paid 1 mill to girls from the blok, and also thrown girls from CJ's or BAT's out of my room with 500K in their hand and not much of a smile! I find Indonesia girls to be some of the best and some of the worst in Asia. But certainly I have a hell of a lot more fun here than in Thailand or Vietnam, so I would classify Indonesia as my favorite playground.

[B]Hotel Bars[/B]

I stay in the Mulia when I am in town (where CJ's is located) , but if I do go to one of the two big hotel bars it tends to be BAT's in the Shang-Ri-La. That is probably going to be exclusively BAT's from now on since CJ's has put their drink prices up again – it will soon be more expensive to have a beer than shag a girl. Both bars have pretty good bands and loads of girls. BAT's is smaller but CJ's is generally dark and it's hard to see what the girls really look like unless you're standing in front of them. I feel the set-up in BAT's is also a lot better for interacting with the girls, quicker to circulate around, and a lot easier to see what's available. As for choice, hard to say, even fat girls get laid – in my view BAT's has the better looking girls, I've never walked out of their empty handed – can't say the same about CJ's. Could be the factor that if you take a girl from BAT's to the Mulia she's not in a rush to get back to the bar, where as take a girl out of CJ's too early and immediately she starts factoring in the possibility of a two in one, night.

One other bar I'll put in here is the Satu Lagi Bar in the Hotel Kristal. This is out in the Cilandak area. There are girls in the bar, have only stayed there once, so can't really comment apart from – go look elsewhere, there's better pickings. Although the girl I did pick had the biggest set of tits I have ever had my hands on in Indonesia!

[B]Blok M – 'The Blok'[/B]

Love this place, it's got everything, even a new layer off tarmac on the road, so it's not that bad looking. There are probably around 6 bars on the Blok which have girls in them, but I tend to rotate around 3 – D's Place, My Bar and Top Gun. The Blok has everything from 18 yo SYT up to 81 yo hopefuls the whole gambit of humanity and generally a good range of good looking girls in amongst the cannon fodder. My Bar is my favorite, but doesn't get going till late, but the good thing about it – it's the last to close (4am) so you can party thru the night if you wish. D's place has got dancers on the stage – and they can certainly get it on (or off) as the night goes on, there's the "VIP" room down the back and all-in-all has a good atmosphere with a good assortment of freelancers roaming in and out. Top Gun, well it's another institution bar, with an OK live band and lots of girls. You find the girls will rotate from one bar to the next – especially the good looking ones, so I tend to sit in D's for a while, watch the dancers, chat to the girls there and wait to see what walks through the door. By 11pm, if nothings caught my eye I'll head to My Bar. One point of note – girls from BAT's and CJ's may pop up in My Bar after 1am, that's when the hotel bar's start to wind down, so you can pick them up for half price there. If you want to totally escape the rat race – head to the Sportsman's at the top of the street – no working girls allowed and got good food – I suspect I'll be watching some of Euro 2012 in their prior to heading out for fun.

[B]Other Bars[/B]

There's a lot of bars out in the Kemang area that do have a mixture of working and relationship looking girls, mostly hangouts for the expats living and working in Jakarta – Eastern Promise, Murphy's, Star Bar, De Hooi, V-Door. You may find one or two girls on the game in there, but mostly they are girlfriends or looking to be girlfriends!

Aphrodite is another mixture bar. A few of the good looking girls I know who hang around the blok will also go there – only been once.

Red Square – I've heard so much about Red Square, but it's never lived up to its promise. I have a feeling this is a Friday / Saturday night bar. Been there till closing on a couple of Thursday nights and would have been very lonely if I hadn't taken a few friends with me. There were some working girls there but the place just never got started the nights I've been there. Again, as per Aphrodite's, I know a lot of girls who bum around the Blok also go to here – but I get the feeling that's when they want to have a 'girls' night out – but are they ever not working?

[B]Bordellos / Spa's. [/B]

Melawi Hotel – 5+1 – 6th Floor.

Walk in the front door of the hotel, go straight to the lift in front of you and head to the 6th Floor – you'll come across a long winding corridor at the end of which is a 'reception desk', small bar, and some woman of varying quality. Only been here twice – first time was paid for by somebody else, the second time I walked in, took one look at the slim pickings and left. The girl I picked the first time was up for everything – and before anybody asks, that does mean all three holes, but spoke little English.

The Alexis.

To experience the Alexis fully you need to go with somebody who is paying the bill. There is a walk up spa where you can grab a girl from the line up. But the Karaoke rooms with naked dancing girls, spa bath and all the rest have to be the best night out available in Jakarta – although I did find the girls pretty mechanical. Basically you rock up with a bunch of friends (book the room well ahead) , order bottles of booze, pick as many girls from the line ups that keep coming into the room until you've got enough – then party. You've got rooms with a spa pool where you can have fun, you can get a room in the hotel, or you can just do whatever you want as long as you're not shy. The girls are also available to take away at the end of the night. Back to my first sentence, this can clock up a lot of dollars very, very quickly – in the thousands – but, as I said, if somebody else has deep pockets, it's certainly an experience. I woke up the following morning with two metronomes beside me – yes you could fuck, but are you finished yet – so if you're completely into GFE, don't even bother for the Spa.

A couple of other comments. I have had fun, I have yet to have issues with any off the girls taking stuff from my hotel room or any other crazy things, and I have left the hotel early in the morning and told girls they can leave when they want (never on the first night with me) – maybe I'm just good at picking honest girls. I do have a number of regular girls now who take care of my every whim, but I always leave my last night completely free to have some variety.

Beware the girls that run in swarms, especially in BAT's – you could end up buying drinks for 3 or 4 girls and be the owner of a rather hefty bar bill. If you want to become everybody's friend, buy a bottle, if you want to become BFF – buy two!

Beware the taxi's in the Blok – the ones out front of the bars will charge way over the going rate. If you're leaving before midnight go up to the taxi rank at the top of the road and get a metered cab.

And finally – Ramadan, we're getting there, the questions will start to arise, so here's my experience. The main days of no fun are the first two days of Ramadan, the day two weeks in (don't ask me why) and the first day of Eid. Most of the main girl friendly bars are closed (The Blok, CJ's, Red Square etc.). BATS is the only one that I know is open, but all the lights are on and there is only some soft music playing in the back ground. There are a limited number of girls, not a lot, but there are some, so if you are in need of some fun, it can be found.

Aloha,

Wow, I've been so busy here that I haven't checked the Jarkarata section out. Mostly spend time in the Hawaii section. I was in Jakarta last October and spent three days with JAD. I had a blast. He can save you a lot of headaches and wasted time figuring out where to go and what places has the best girls. Like anywhere else,"local" knowledge is so valuable. I'm not sure what he's out for, but for anyone that wants a great time, he's the real deal. Next time through I'll be looking him up again. If you guys ever come through here, check out the Hawaii section Honolulu. Its nothing like Jakarta but hey. When you have lemons, make lemonadge.

Happy mongering, OM

Î have been to Hotel Travel last week.

I still paid the old price of 300. 000 Rupiah and not more.

But I also arrived already at 3:30 pm so it was still empty.

This time I have had one of my best times.

I entered and sit down at a table. The first Mama I send back because

I wanted to check the selection of girls first. Then another Mama came.

With a very nice young girl. She immediatly smiled at me and I could not resist.

She is wearing a blue skirt and her name was Nina or so.

But she will only work one more week and then stop and go home.

She was very good and it was one of my best GFE experiences with a working girl.

Also she is only 22 years old and she is really not older then that she has a lot of experience.

Especially she knows how to use her tongue and get you horney (Lick my body and a very good BBJ without any hand).

I convinced her after the first round to a second round for an extra tip.

It is a pity that she will stop working because I would even book her for a whole night.

And take her back to my room.

I do not know anything about a price increase at Travel.

Maybe because I was too early there or because they liked me.

Was in Jakarta again and decided to visit Blok M' s bars.

Top Gun was quiet so crossed the street and went to D' s.

It wasn't long before one of the stage dancers was introduced to me as being a new girl and she was happy to take me to the VIP room. The rooom has been remodelled slightly, with an extra 'private' corner.

The girl (forgot her name, but she has her hair cut in a bob) quickly stripped and started to open my pants. To my surprise she immediately asked if I wanted 'pompom'. This was still a no-no last year. I was tempted by her very attractive bum, but politely declined and chose the BBBJ, which she performed very good after some DFK and me fingering her pussy. After I came in her mouth she cleaned my parts and I closed up and paid her 400, 000.

I then went back to the bar and after a few beers returned to my hotel for a well-earned sleep.

I will be in Jakarta again in 10 days and seeing how attractive her body was I will certainly re-consider the 'pompom' offer.

Regards,

Ko

I also invited my good friend Wulan to my room to celebrate my return to Jakarta after more than 6 months (!). Still as delightful as ever. She mentioned that she had a new 'teman' in Maribaya and suggested that I come the next day for a threesome.

I always (well, usually) follow good advice so next afternoon I took the familiar elevator to the 6th floor. Business was quiet, with about 20 girls and only one other customer. Wulan introduced her friend Dila to me. Slim and fairly new to the game; only 2 months. Without much ado we went to the room and had a good time. Dila may be new, but her BBBJ is just as good as Wulan's and her teamwork is also excellent.

She is still fairly young so it took some additional oil (and some extra time, pelan-pelan) for me to enter her. After that, when I was in up to the hilt, she provided a very enjoyable experience and an excellent orgasm. Niice and tight and she said she liked it too (according to Wulan).

Pictures will come later, when I am on a less slow connection.

After we had showered Wulan told me that our favourite girl Shella has quit and has gone 'pulang kampung'. Probably made enough money to settle down. All the best to her (bangs head against the wall and howls to the moon).

B. T. W. : I am now on a wifi connection in Jakarta and don't seem to have any problem connecting to ISG. Already posted another report on D's. No blocking AFAIKT.

Regards,

Ko

Had an interesting 3 days in Block M. First night stopped by Top Gun and saw several very good looking ladies who were dancing on the floor. I noticed that most of the clientele are Bule (white) and the girls are quite focused on hooking them. I tried to talk to a couple of the cutest girls but all I was got polite smiles but no bites. I have dark skin but noticed this cold shoulder also happened to some Chinese looking guys. Went home alone.

The next night I decided to be more focused and approached one of the pretty girls I tried the night before. Offered her a drink which led to a few rounds and went back to my hotel with her. I must say, it was a fantastic GFE experience with lots of cuddling, smooching and several rounds that night and the next morning. One time in the morning we just chatting and she gave me a slow sexy BBBJ and CIM. I came back to Top Gun that night and she ran up to me and I bought her friends a couple of rounds and some food. Soon I had three girls all over me. I went back with my first friend again and had another wonderful night. I must say, can't wait to get back there again. Indonesians are really quite sexy.

I knew that last year TC (Today Country) at lokasari closed and the place was undergoing repairs. Does anyone know whether this has been re-opened or whether TC has re-surfaced anywhere else. Are there any other places like TC where they had very young once.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Yomama99;1290912]Soon I had three girls all over me.[/QUOTE]Uh oh. That's a sign that you overpaid. These girls talk. They know exactly how much you paid the last girl.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel;1290837]After we had showered Wulan told me that our favourite girl Shella has quit and has gone 'pulang kampung'. Probably made enough money to settle down. All the best to her (bangs head against the wall and howls to the moon).[/QUOTE]My guess is she has a "sponsor" now. She traveled to KL for a formula 1 event with some guy and after that her status on BBM was frequently "I love you darling" or "I miss you honey", always in English. In all my years knowing her, I never saw her put a status like that before. It wasn't long after that, she quit the 6th.

You had your chance...

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1291085]Uh oh. That's a sign that you overpaid. These girls talk. They know exactly how much you paid the last girl.[/QUOTE]I think it was cause I did not skimp on the drinks and food at my table. The bar bill was 500, 000. Hell, I was having fun, dancing and eating so that's fine with me for about 3 hours of entertainment. Also, I must I like the fun loving GFE style which I find better than in other parts of South East Asia.

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1291086]My guess is she has a "sponsor" now. She traveled to KL for a formula 1 event with some guy and after that her status on BBM was frequently "I love you darling" or "I miss you honey", always in English. In all my years knowing her, I never saw her put a status like that before. It wasn't long after that, she quit the 6th.

You had your chance.[/QUOTE]My main regret is that another good girl left Maribaya. Some good ones left, though, and occasionally a little gem arrives. Will try Dila a few more times. First impression was favourable.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1291086]My guess is she has a "sponsor" now. She traveled to KL for a formula 1 event with some guy and after that her status on BBM was frequently "I love you darling" or "I miss you honey", always in English. In all my years knowing her, I never saw her put a status like that before. It wasn't long after that, she quit the 6th.

You had your chance.[/QUOTE]She is still using her original Indonesian hp number, though. When I sent her an sms for confirmation of the end of her presence in Jakarta she answered within a few minutes. Perhaps she's keeping it as a fall-back option. Her phone must contain a lot of contacts.

But whatever the case, I wish her well.

Regards,

Ko

I'll be making my first trip to Jakarta last week of Jun. I've been RTFF the forum and doing my research.

One of my planned stops will be to partake the action at CJ's. I have seen a number of posts regarding prices and pricing strategy. Some of this is a little dated now. I would request a couple of seniors provide some informed comment on how or if prices haved moved at places like CJ's (or BATs).

Inflation in Indo seems to be about 5 to 10% a year. Is this reflected in the Jakarta P4P markets.

Many thanks in advance. I'll be sure to post a report on any notable experiences.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1290421]5 hours? How many shags did you get in during those 5 hours?[/QUOTE]Three shags, two women, four clubs. The shags were perfunctory. Going to places I'd never been before was what really made it worthwhile for me. Before meeting JAD, I was familiar with Blok M, bars in the downtown hotels, and some lower-to-medium end places in Kota. The places we went, west Jakarta, Alexis, and Malioboro were totally new to me, and I would have never seen them without Jakarta After Dark. His web site is http://www.jakartaafterdark.com/. I hope it's O.K. to put that here -- it's not a competitor to ISG.

[QUOTE=ZapMan;1293561]I'll be making my first trip to Jakarta last week of Jun. I've been RTFF the forum and doing my research.[/QUOTE]No changes in pricing. If you've RTTF, then you should be familiar with the 'street prices'. CJ and Bats girls will all start at satu juta and up to you to negotiate down to a reasonable level.

[QUOTE=ZapMan;1293561]One of my planned stops will be to partake the action at CJ's. I have seen a number of posts regarding prices and pricing strategy. Some of this is a little dated now. I would request a couple of seniors provide some informed comment on how or if prices haved moved at places like CJ's (or BATs).[/QUOTE]Rampant inflation aside, the girls in CJ's first like to first see how much they can get from you. Do you look like the typical 2-week millionaire, are a businessman or look Japanese and staying in the hotel, or are you already an experienced Expat living in the city. Your dress sense and ability to speak Bahasa gives that away. I was able to get 800k from all the girls who I picked up there these past couple months (for 1-3 hrs. Short-Time) , although one time there was a real Indo-Chinese stunner I could not resist who not budge below 1. 5 juta for Short-Time (I have seen her go countless of times with other customers, so I understand why she would not budge even when it was near 3:00AM, the closing time).

Remember, most of these girls come all the way from South Jakarta and it would be a waste of their 100k or so plus all the drinks and transportation costs to go home empty handed. And there is definitely more girls than guys whenever I am at CJ's. Buyer's market.

Hi all!

I'm cross posting from the Bali section cause I think there's more traffic here, and this is a non-location specific question. I'm hoping someone on here has experience with this sort of thing.

So, I met a young lady the other day who wants to "borrow money" from me. I know I know. I wasn't at all surprised, she had "part-time freelancer" written all over her and I believe this is how it's supposed to go. Basically I'd look at it as a gift, in return for sex. Preferably regular sex. The amount she's asking for is about the same as a LT session (in Bali, anyway) , and I'm guessing I'd probably get a certain number of "freebies" in return. Now, I've always avoided this kind of thing in the past, but if the arrangement were to work out as I imagine it might, it would be worth it. I've passed up opportunities like this in the past, and regretted it, plus I'm between girlfriends, tired of mediocre ST sessions in sanur, and too busy to haunt the nightclubs at 1am looking for a hit-or-miss experience. When I've had private (but more up front, pay-as-you-go) arrangements with girls, it's nice. One quick text message and some cute 20ish girl rides her motorbike over to your place for an afternoon sesh. No late night hunting necessary, and she's only screwing so many people (maybe only 1 or 3 other dudes, or even none) so the sex can be a little more enthusiastic.

So anyway I know that this kind of deal ("lend" a girl some rp and she becomes your part time mistress) is Something That Is Done here in indonesia. But I've never done it myself and would be curious to hear the ins and outs from someone who has. Any advice? Say I "lend" her enough money for an LT session, but I don't have time for LT right then and there, and would really prefer to have her come over a few times for afternoon ST's instead. How likely is it that I ever see this girl again after she's got my money? Also, how to word the negotiations: indonesians never speak directly about anything, and this girl is fresh off the boat from flores. I suppose I [B]could[/B] Just say "I'll lend you this money, if you'll have sex with me, let's say 3 or 4 times for this 1j" but I feel like there must be a smoother, more indonesian euphemistic way to say this. Like "taxi money" but different (she already has her own bike)

I live in Indonesia by the way, so this could be ongoing (both in good ways and bad)

[QUOTE=DJ Monger; 1293946]Hi all!

I'm cross posting from the Bali section cause I think there's more traffic here, and this is a non-location specific question. I'm hoping someone on here has experience with this sort of thing.

So, I met a young lady the other day who wants to "borrow money" from me. I know I know. I wasn't at all surprised, she had "part-time freelancer" written all over her and I believe this is how it's supposed to go. Basically I'd look at it as a gift, in return for sex. Preferably regular sex. The amount she's asking for is about the same as a LT session (in Bali, anyway) , and I'm guessing I'd probably get a certain number of "freebies" in return. Now, I've always avoided this kind of thing in the past, but if the arrangement were to work out as I imagine it might, it would be worth it. I've passed up opportunities like this in the past, and regretted it, plus I'm between girlfriends, tired of mediocre ST sessions in sanur, and too busy to haunt the nightclubs at 1am looking for a hit-or-miss experience. When I've had private (but more up front, pay-as-you-go) arrangements with girls, it's nice. One quick text message and some cute 20ish girl rides her motorbike over to your place for an afternoon sesh. No late night hunting necessary, and she's only screwing so many people (maybe only 1 or 3 other dudes, or even none) so the sex can be a little more enthusiastic.

So anyway I know that this kind of deal ("lend" a girl some rp and she becomes your part time mistress) is Something That Is Done here in indonesia. But I've never done it myself and would be curious to hear the ins and outs from someone who has. Any advice? Say I "lend" her enough money for an LT session, but I don't have time for LT right then and there, and would really prefer to have her come over a few times for afternoon ST's instead. How likely is it that I ever see this girl again after she's got my money? Also, how to word the negotiations: indonesians never speak directly about anything, and this girl is fresh off the boat from flores. I suppose I [B]could[/B] Just say "I'll lend you this money, if you'll have sex with me, let's say 3 or 4 times for this 1j" but I feel like there must be a smoother, more indonesian euphemistic way to say this. Like "taxi money" but different (she already has her own bike)

I live in Indonesia by the way, so this could be ongoing (both in good ways and bad) [/QUOTE]I've never done it, but what comes into my mind is this: Tell her it's your pocketmoney, to be used several times when you're feeling lonely and need company of a girl. And ask her, when you lend her the money, would she be so kind as to accompany you when you need it?

BTW, how can you be sure that after receiving the money, she will not disappear?

[QUOTE=DJ Monger; 1293946]Hi all!

I'm cross posting from the Bali section cause I think there's more traffic here, and this is a non-location specific question. I'm hoping someone on here has experience with this sort of thing.

So, I met a young lady the other day who wants to "borrow money" from me. I know I know. I wasn't at all surprised, she had "part-time freelancer" written all over her and I believe this is how it's supposed to go. Basically I'd look at it as a gift, in return for sex. Preferably regular sex. The amount she's asking for is about the same as a LT session (in Bali, anyway) , and I'm guessing I'd probably get a certain number of "freebies" in return. Now, I've always avoided this kind of thing in the past, but if the arrangement were to work out as I imagine it might, it would be worth it. I've passed up opportunities like this in the past, and regretted it.

DJ Monger.

"I would say follow your gut feeling. To ask a bunch of morally compromised mongers such as we all are may not be that wise as the advice coming back may be right across the spectrum.

If you like her why not, to show somebody some trust can be tremendously rewarding. Not always, but that is the human nature part of the deal that you signed up for when you went mongering in the first place. The key quote to remember here is this."with expectation comes disappointment"

OS

[QUOTE=DJ Monger; 1293946]Hi all!

I'm cross posting from the Bali section cause I think there's more traffic here, and this is a non-location specific question. I'm hoping someone on here has experience with this sort of thing.

So, I met a young lady the other day who wants to "borrow money" from me. I know I know. I wasn't at all surprised, she had "part-time freelancer" written all over her and I believe this is how it's supposed to go. Basically I'd look at it as a gift, in return for sex. Preferably regular sex. The amount she's asking for is about the same as a LT session (in Bali, anyway) , and I'm guessing I'd probably get a certain number of "freebies" in return. Now, I've always avoided this kind of thing in the past, but if the arrangement were to work out as I imagine it might, it would be worth it. I've passed up opportunities like this in the past, and regretted it, plus I'm between girlfriends, tired of mediocre ST sessions in sanur, and too busy to haunt the nightclubs at 1am looking for a hit-or-miss experience. When I've had private (but more up front, pay-as-you-go) arrangements with girls, it's nice. One quick text message and some cute 20ish girl rides her motorbike over to your place for an afternoon sesh. No late night hunting necessary, and she's only screwing so many people (maybe only 1 or 3 other dudes, or even none) so the sex can be a little more enthusiastic.

So anyway I know that this kind of deal ("lend" a girl some rp and she becomes your part time mistress) is Something That Is Done here in indonesia. But I've never done it myself and would be curious to hear the ins and outs from someone who has. Any advice? Say I "lend" her enough money for an LT session, but I don't have time for LT right then and there, and would really prefer to have her come over a few times for afternoon ST's instead. How likely is it that I ever see this girl again after she's got my money? Also, how to word the negotiations: indonesians never speak directly about anything, and this girl is fresh off the boat from flores. I suppose I [B]could[/B] Just say "I'll lend you this money, if you'll have sex with me, let's say 3 or 4 times for this 1j" but I feel like there must be a smoother, more indonesian euphemistic way to say this. Like "taxi money" but different (she already has her own bike)

I live in Indonesia by the way, so this could be ongoing (both in good ways and bad) [/QUOTE]DJ,

While I concur with Offshore Swell, my own experience is that this is the first of many such requests. They can get bigger, bolder and more frequent, depending on how you respond.

Good luck with her. Let us know how it turns out.

Lucky21

[QUOTE=Menteng;1294052]BTW, how can you be sure that after receiving the money, she will not disappear?[/QUOTE]Probably not. If the guy "lends" money once, he might do it again, so he's worth cultivating. Personally, I'd say go for it. You said it was only the same as an LT session. Well, at least get a shag when you hand the money over, and everything else is profit. My guess is the gratitude will fade pretty fast unless it's followed up with more cash, but make hay while the sun shines.

[QUOTE=DJ Monger; 1293946]So anyway I know that this kind of deal ("lend" a girl some rp and she becomes your part time mistress) is Something That Is Done here in indonesia. But I've never done it myself and would be curious to hear the ins and outs from someone who has. Any advice? Say I "lend" her enough money for an LT session, but I don't have time for LT right then and there, and would really prefer to have her come over a few times for afternoon ST's instead. How likely is it that I ever see this girl again after she's got my money? Also, how to word the negotiations: indonesians never speak directly about anything, and this girl is fresh off the boat from flores. I suppose I [B]could[/B] Just say "I'll lend you this money, if you'll have sex with me, let's say 3 or 4 times for this 1j" but I feel like there must be a smoother, more indonesian euphemistic way to say this. Like "taxi money" but different (she already has her own bike)

I live in Indonesia by the way, so this could be ongoing (both in good ways and bad) [/QUOTE]I think Menteng has the right approach - then again, he is very smooth:). You need to make a judgement on the girl and what your gut feel is though. Yes, this kind of arrangement can work out quite economically, depending on how well you manage it. It can also pay dividends in other respects. I'm a big fan of GFE and prefer it over PSE; on the other hand, if you get both GFE and PSE in one package... ;) :D

MD II

[QUOTE=Wamena;1281145]I wonder if any of you know of any establishments like spa`s or bordellos here in Jakarta that have girls who offer anal sex, and that you might be able to request this from the management / mamasan. In my experience I only had a few girls who agreed on anal sex in 2012, a couple of girls in-house girls at the stadium bordello and a few freelancers at the bars in blokm. However there should be establishments which can offer services like this, anyone has any light to shed on anal sex in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]Sophie. Groundfloor. Took it gladly doggy style. A bit plump but in a sexy way. 700k. I did not ask in advance or before the act, just on the spot inspiration. Very unusual for me.

Visited TP and MB last night, a few ladies in TP that were top quality but didn't approach any of them. MB has changed a bit inside, quite a different look, for those of you who know this fine, but I haven't been there in a while. Not very many girls at MB, guess it was a slow night. Did see a few cute girls that seemed to be distant. Did end up with a karaoke girl who wanted 1M for short time, however got her to 400k for ST. Can't figure out the prices for these girls, definitely don't think any of them is worth 1M. Will return on the w / e so maybe a bit more girls will lower the prices.

Greetings. I am planning to visit CJ later next month. Can any brothers here share some advice on the ladies at CJ? How much do they charge for ST? Any additional tips to share is highly appreciated. Thank you.

[QUOTE=LazyBee;1295625]Greetings. I am planning to visit CJ later next month. Can any brothers here share some advice on the ladies at CJ? How much do they charge for ST? Any additional tips to share is highly appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I think 700. 000idr to 1. 000. 000idr is the going rate, but some might try to ask for higher. Don't give in to easy for higher rates, since this will cause inflation.

I have picked up many times from BATS and CJ's. The max is 1 million for over night (+ taxi money depending on performance) and minimum is 500, 000 (for ST).

As many punters have said before, the fixing price also depends (even if slightly) on how much the girl likes you.

All the best!

McM.

QUOTE=ZapMan; 1293561]I'll be making my first trip to Jakarta last week of Jun. I've been RTFF the forum and doing my research.

One of my planned stops will be to partake the action at CJ's. I have seen a number of posts regarding prices and pricing strategy. Some of this is a little dated now. I would request a couple of seniors provide some informed comment on how or if prices haved moved at places like CJ's (or BATs).

Inflation in Indo seems to be about 5 to 10% a year. Is this reflected in the Jakarta P4P markets.

Many thanks in advance. I'll be sure to post a report on any notable experiences.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1295698]I have picked up many times from BATS and CJ's. The max is 1 million for over night (+ taxi money depending on performance) and minimum is 500, 000 (for ST).

As many punters have said before, the fixing price also depends (even if slightly) on how much the girl likes you.

All the best!

McM.

[QUOTE=ZapMan; 1293561]I'll be making my first trip to Jakarta last week of Jun. I've been RTFF the forum and doing my research.

One of my planned stops will be to partake the action at CJ's. I have seen a number of posts regarding prices and pricing strategy. Some of this is a little dated now. I would request a couple of seniors provide some informed comment on how or if prices haved moved at places like CJ's (or BATs).

Inflation in Indo seems to be about 5 to 10% a year. Is this reflected in the Jakarta P4P markets.

Many thanks in advance. I'll be sure to post a report on any notable experiences.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Interesting to hear McMaiden's voice of experience. I assume that these prices are after negotiation in the bar itself? One wonders how the girls manage to make a living, given that:

1) They typically don't score a John every night.

2) It costs IDR150K to enter CJ's.

3) Taxi costs may be high of she lives far away.

4) Cost of dress, make up etc to be able to enter an upscale hotel bar.

The Shooter paid $130 for a night of debauchery with a CJ lass on his last visit, overpaying by about $26, but he has no regrets. FR below.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1267247&viewfull=1#post1267247[/url]

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1295797]Interesting to hear McMaiden's voice of experience. I assume that these prices are after negotiation in the bar itself? One wonders how the girls manage to make a living, given that:

1) They typically don't score a John every night.

2) It costs IDR150K to enter CJ's.

3) Taxi costs may be high of she lives far away.

4) Cost of dress, make up etc to be able to enter an upscale hotel bar.

The Shooter paid $130 for a night of debauchery with a CJ lass on his last visit, overpaying by about $26, but he has no regrets. FR below.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1267247&viewfull=1#post1267247[/url][/QUOTE]Man, you overpaid, I'm sure you'll survive. I'd put the cost of CJ's at anywhere between 1M & 2M (you got to be kidding) for a LT. I basically stick to around the 1M$ mark for high end hotel girls for LT. Some may still say I overpay, but 10 or 15$ is not going to break the bank. Crap I'll have to drink one less beer next time. They'll try for the high prices for a ST if you're staying in the hotel and pick them up early. Hell they may get somebody who says yes and they have a chance for two in one night. Bonus. As you say, it's expensive for them to get in, expensive for me to drink in, and when all is said and done you can get girls just as good looking elsewhere in town for a lot less. I did pay 500k for an ST once, but that was as I kicked the girl out the door after 30 mins of crap service, or maybe it was just false advertising! That put the first table off limits for a while. Maybe that's the other reason I went elsewhere. CJ's is my least favorite place in Jakarta when all is said and done, but do need to go back every now and again just to confirm, and when I do I've normally got a girl in tow. Hey a little bonus for her as she has possibly never been there before.

[QUOTE=Wamena;1295692]I think 700. 000idr to 1. 000. 000idr is the going rate, but some might try to ask for higher. Don't give in to easy for higher rates, since this will cause inflation.[/QUOTE]Thank you Bro Wamena and for the info. And Bro. McM for sharing your experience.

Well, hopefully can get a night of excitement.

Cheers and thanks again.

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1295797]Interesting to hear McMaiden's voice of experience. I assume that these prices are after negotiation in the bar itself? One wonders how the girls manage to make a living, given that:

1) They typically don't score a John every night.

2) It costs IDR150K to enter CJ's.

3) Taxi costs may be high of she lives far away.

4) Cost of dress, make up etc to be able to enter an upscale hotel bar.

The Shooter paid $130 for a night of debauchery with a CJ lass on his last visit, overpaying by about $26, but he has no regrets. FR below.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1267247&viewfull=1#post1267247[/url][/QUOTE]That's why a lot of them like to target at least one hotel guest, sometimes more before scoring an LT. I once sat with a couple of friends (over drinks) and watched one girl run through three Mulia Hotel guests (I assumed they were because she was back within 45 minutes each time. And in one case back out within 5 minutes of returning) within the one evening. That's also why ladies night (Wednesdays) is pretty packed. I even know a couple of normal girls (non-P4P) who come in for the free entrance, drinks and the band.

MD II

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1295797]Interesting to hear McMaiden's voice of experience. I assume that these prices are after negotiation in the bar itself? One wonders how the girls manage to make a living, given that:/QUOTE]I have read with interest, the Shooter's soujorns across Jakarta. Well written prose, I must say.

I am not the price police and I don't care what anyone paid though I do like to pay depending on the perceived value (might be right or wrong after the deed is done). I don't like to overpay and will never under-pay since its the girl's livelihood.

If its LT, I do pay some taxi-money. The runners can ask somebody else for their taxi-money. I girl I paid a million was with me from around 11 till next morn so highly unlikely that it was the second round for her.

Even if she can make IDR400, 000, its still not bad pocket-money.

I must admit that the IDR 500, 000 was not for a Category 1 ayam.

McM

Hello Mongers, I need some help.

First, let me say that I am not a monger. I am a traveler. But I do like sex, and on every trip I try to dedicate one day to such a diversion. But I am also pretty old now. 72. So it is not that easy. Also, I do not like bar hopping, late at night. But I am willing to go to one specific place if I have a near certainty of getting what I want.

I would prefer to see a girl at my hotel, but I know how chancy agencies can be. But with a recommendation I could go for that too.

I am a senior member and have used this guide for useful advice (e. G. In Bali, Philippines, Canada) But this will be my first time in Jakarta. I will have my sex day there on Sept 29. I have all the day and night too, but do not want to be hunting late at night. I have my air ticket already, but no hotel yet.

I did read a lot of the postings already, but frankly I find them somewhat confusing because most assume you already know the places. Well, I did find Block M on the Google map, and also the Melawai hotel. But is the 6th floor bar of Melawai the same as Malioboro? This is just an example, but I would like a clarification on this.

So I would welcome any help. This is what I am looking for:

BBBJ and DFK are a must. I also like DATY if the girl is very clean, and I also enjoy a shower together to start. As for the fucking, at my age I am strictly a one pop person and it can happen that I cannot keep it up during straight sex which I do like to do. So I may want to finish with another BBBJ and possibly (but not required) CIM.

I am willing to pay up to around 1, 000 000 if I get these with girl at least 7. 5 in looks (preferably higher).

I will be grateful for any help. (I) Clarify Melawai / Malioboro and suggestions for other similar places and how to do it (ii) a useful recommendation for a good agency for a girl to come to my hotel (iii) a recommendation for a specific person you might know (send me contact info by private message). (iv) whatever else you might think useful.

You can post your suggestions and / or send me private message.

Thanks a lot, from an old guy.

Additional questions.

1.) A previous report mentioned a place called Maribaya. Is that different one fro Malioboro? Also near block M?

2.) Are Spas a good place for what I want? Which one you would suggest after reading my post below?

[QUOTE=Nabradi; 1296136]Additional questions.

1.) A previous report mentioned a place called Maribaya. Is that different one fro Malioboro? Also near block M?

2.) Are Spas a good place for what I want? Which one you would suggest after reading my post below?[/QUOTE]God bless you. I hope when I'm 72 still posting!
Sent you a pm.

[QUOTE=Nabradi; 1296136]Additional questions.

1.) A previous report mentioned a place called Maribaya. Is that different one fro Malioboro? Also near block M?

2.) Are Spas a good place for what I want? Which one you would suggest after reading my post below?[/QUOTE]Maribaya is a bar within the Hotel Melawai on Jalan Melawai on the south end of Blok M in South Jakarta. There's also decent Money Changers & Restaurants on this street. Expect the girls in Maribaya (often referred to as the 5th floor) to speak some English.

Malioboro is in the North of Jakarta and probably quite tough to negotiate if you don't speak much bahasa.

[QUOTE=Nabradi; 1296136]Additional questions.

1.) A previous report mentioned a place called Maribaya. Is that different one fro Malioboro? Also near block M?

2.) Are Spas a good place for what I want? Which one you would suggest after reading my post below?[/QUOTE]Yr. 1. : No, Malioboro is in North Jakarta, not too far from the National monument. Action there is mostly in the evening, but during the day you can visit the spa (not my piece of cake, but to each his own).

Maribaya is the bar on the 6th floor of hotel Melawai in Blok M. Price is now 450, 000 per girl per hour. Opening hours are 11:00 a. M. Until 11:00 pm, but the first girls are on standby from 10:00 a. M. Shift change is around 5:00 pm The bar is open 7 days a week, but availability of girls varies per day. I spent many enjoyable hours there with one or two and sometimes three girls.

Yr. 2. : You will have to wait for answers from other contributors. Sorry.

Choice of hotel is entirely up to you. In 20 years of visiting Jakarta I never came across a hotel that was not Girl Friendly.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1296532]Choice of hotel is entirely up to you. In 20 years of visiting Jakarta I never came across a hotel that was not Girl Friendly.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]A small addition: avoid the Sofyan hotels! They are not girl friendly and you can't get a decent drink there!

atNabradi: Where are you going to stay? If we know, we might direct you to places nearby to get what you want. Certainly at 1 million you can have fun the way you like.

I would avoid agencies but if you have to, try to contact JakartaAfterDark.

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1295797]Interesting to hear McMaiden's voice of experience. I assume that these prices are after negotiation in the bar itself? One wonders how the girls manage to make a living, given that:

1) They typically don't score a John every night.

2) It costs IDR150K to enter CJ's.

3) Taxi costs may be high if she lives far away.

4) Cost of dress, make up etc to be able to enter an upscale hotel bar.

The Shooter paid $130 for a night of debauchery with a CJ lass on his last visit, overpaying by about $26, but he has no regrets. FR below.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1267247&viewfull=1#post1267247[/url][/QUOTE]Please don't feel too sorry for these girls! Even if they only land a customer once a week, they still will make out ok.

Few if any of the working girls travel long distances by taxi. Instead, they take the bus, minivans, train or ojek (motorcycle taxi) to get around.

If a monger spends the night of LT with a young lovely, walks her downstairs in the morning, shoves 50, 000 extra rupiah into her hand and then deposits her in a BlueBird and watches her be driven away, chances are the girl will then tell the taxi driver to drop her off down the street (before the meter fare has increased past the minimum amount) , so she can get out and take the bus / minivan / train / ojek home.

The basic cost of living for these girls is a lot lower than one might think. They may share a one-room apartment with other girls and eat for 10, 000 rupiah or less per day.

As a benchmark, a (non-working girl) Indonesian who earns 1, 200, 000 rupiah a month is in the top 25% of wage earners in the country.

[QUOTE=Menteng; 1297046]A small addition: avoid the Sofyan hotels! They are not girl friendly and you can't get a decent drink there!

AtNabradi: Where are you going to stay? If we know, we might direct you to places nearby to get what you want. Certainly at 1 million you can have fun the way you like.

I would avoid agencies but if you have to, try to contact JakartaAfterDark.[/QUOTE]I do not have a hotel yet. Only my air ticket. I was thinking maybe the Crown Plaza. But I will look on the posts on the hotel thread.

Do you have a recommendation? Something decent, not too expensive, but clean and friendly.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman;1297281]As a benchmark, a (non-working girl) Indonesian who earns 1, 200, 000 rupiah a month is in the top 25% of wage earners in the country.[/QUOTE]I hate to be pedantic, but I don't think that's right. The average income, across Indonesia, is around $3000 per year. That comes in at a bit more than double the figure you mention. And the kind of girls that we want to hang out with are a bit above the average in terms of education, earning ability and so on, if you consider that the average includes a lot of rural folk of the kind who don't have the initiative to get on a bus and come to Jakarta. This is getting off the subject of cewek / nyewek a bit, but since we are talking about the economics of the trade, it's slightly relevant.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita[/url]

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1297587]I hate to be pedantic, but I don't think that's right. The average income, across Indonesia, is around $3000 per year. That comes in at a bit more than double the figure you mention. And the kind of girls that we want to hang out with are a bit above the average in terms of education, earning ability and so on, if you consider that the average includes a lot of rural folk of the kind who don't have the initiative to get on a bus and come to Jakarta. This is getting off the subject of cewek / nyewek a bit, but since we are talking about the economics of the trade, it's slightly relevant.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita[/url][/QUOTE]Agreed. I think the average CJ's type of girl spends between 10 and 15 million rupiah a month.

Just visited Jakarta and had a great time. Visited Top Gun. Not that many true lookers but really enjoyed playing pool with some of the girls and watching the band. Eventually crossed the street to D's. I remember reading in the forum that there was a room at the back where you could get a private dance an a BJ. Never would have found this without the forum. Thanks!

WG

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1297626]Agreed. I think the average CJ's type of girl spends between 10 and 15 million rupiah a month.[/QUOTE]I helped a girl find a kos a few weeks ago. She couldn't find anything in central Jakarta that met her (not particularly high) standards for less than a juta. Even the ones at a million were pretty ratty (literally!). She wanted AC, for which she had to pay a minimum of 1. 5. Some of them share a room to cut costs, but even so. She also talked about the economics of picking up guys at BATS. She said she needed to invest about 200 thou for a night out looking for a guy. Considering that there is almost always 2-3 girls for every guy in any happening bar, you have to assume that the average pick up success rate is only around 33, even assuming every guy goes home with a girl. Which means they'd need to charge 600k just to break even. Of course, some girls manage to pull almost every time, but they are the really hot ones. I suppose it drives a selection process: if you can't meet your target, you better find another way of earning a living. No point wasting pity, but good to be realistic about the dynamics of it.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1297769]She said she needed to invest about 200 thou for a night out looking for a guy. Considering that there is almost always 2-3 girls for every guy in any happening bar, you have to assume that the average pick up success rate is only around 33, even assuming every guy goes home with a girl. Which means they'd need to charge 600k just to break even. Of course, some girls manage to pull almost every time, but they are the really hot ones. I suppose it drives a selection process: if you can't meet your target, you better find another way of earning a living. No point wasting pity, but good to be realistic about the dynamics of it.[/QUOTE]Interesting analysis but that's why the girls get smart very quickly: they'll take note which bar is having ladies night and schedule their week accordingly. That will change the financial commitment aspect quite drastically. Incidentally, I think the ratio varies a lot from the beginning of the night to the end. They are also very savvy how to minimize their transport costs. In addition, that's why there is a take up of last minute offers even while on the way out in the hotel lobbies. They don't necessarily just go to the one place either: Sometimes various combinations of bars like CJs / BATS / Falatehan / Stadium / Delilah / Three Horse / Red Square / Tiga Puluh etc. Let's just be smart about not killing the market and have fun.

MD II

[QUOTE=Master Diver II;1298124]They don't necessarily just go to the one place either: Sometimes various combinations of bars like CJs / BATS / Falatehan / Stadium / Delilah / Three Horse / Red Square / Tiga Puluh etc. Let's just be smart about not killing the market and have fun.[/QUOTE]For sure. And they have different price strategies in different venues. There's a regular I meet in Jaksa, she was quite happy with 300k for a few hours, she still chases up for further meetings. I know she goes to CJs a lot and gets a lot more than that when she pulls there. But I often meet her in the afternoon, which is low season rates. Maybe I get a regular client discount. I know Jaksa is sneered at a bit by most of the regulars here, but it's certainly a good place to go shopping for seconds. Ha! I mean the ones who didn't pull. Must be said, the really hot ones are probably above that and they don't get left on the shelf anyway.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1298126]the really hot ones are probably above that and they don't get left on the shelf anyway.[/QUOTE]On any given night in CJs, there may be 2 or 3 of those "really hot ones". They are a rare commodity.

I read this year Ramadan will begin at 20 JUL.

After that days, the bars in blok M will be open as they are now?

And the places like Malioboro, Alexis and so?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Buds66; 1298195]I read this year Ramadan will begin at 20 JUL.

After that days, the bars in blok M will be open as they are now?

And the places like Malioboro, Alexis and so?

Thanks![/QUOTE]It's always a bit hard to tell what's going to happen until it does. On past record, most pubs and clubs will shut, except (in some cases) those based in star-rated hotels and / or those with extra special protection. When they are open, they often have to or choose to compromise a bit, often a bit farcically. For example, one resto I went to refused to serve me a LARGE beer in Ramadhan ("But I can have a small one?" "Certainly, Sir." "And the small one costs half as much as the large one? And I can order two?" "Of course, Sir". I'm not joking! Which chapter of al-Quran did THAT come from?). Most bordellos shut, although sometimes they operate under reduced circumstances. The Fifth Floor is famous, for another example, for closing but offering girls from hotel rooms instead.

Alexis would be interesting. I bet you that has some major backing. I don't usually go there, I'm too much of a tight-wad.

Last year, the Blok M bars still opened most of the time, but closed earlier. Otherwise, it was business as usual. I preferred it, the girls all wanted to get out of the bar well before one, although on the flip side, they also wanted to leave earlier to go home for saur.

A lot of gf type girls will be fasting. They don't usually have sex while doing so, that counts as breaking the fast. Very few girls feel strongly about not having sex after buka, though. In some cases, they go home to their kampungs. The girls who are going home want more money, so they will either be greedy or eager to please and or both. Some girls who operate in bordellos will be enthusiastic about giving you their number so you can visit them somewhere, so they don't lose an income for the whole month.

Food is slightly more difficult to get in the day time, but doesn't affect most travelers who eat in western or upmarket places.

Taxis and useful members of the working classes are difficult to find and employ.

People are generally a bit lazy and sleepy, it's not a good time for business.

If you live here, it's kind of a pain in the arse, but not a total waste of time or a bad time necessarily.

Hope this post covers all the details, and hope no-one else needs to come out with the string of Jakarta / Ramadhan questions that we always get. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1298533]. If you live here, it's kind of a pain in the arse, but not a total waste of time or a bad time necessarily.

Hope this post covers all the details, and hope no-one else needs to come out with the string of Jakarta / Ramadhan questions that we always get. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Very good overview, thanks. As an addition: bars in e.g. Bandung and Surabaya are completely closed, so avoid being outside Jakarta during this time. Also, be aware that many girls consider during Ramadan a Long Time as until 4 o'clock in the morning, because than they have to go home to cook breakfast.

Bali is generally OK, except for the week before and after Idul Fitri, because then all Java girls have gone home!

Have fun.

NO

[QUOTE=Buds66; 1298195]I read this year Ramadan will begin at 20 JUL.

After that days, the bars in blok M will be open as they are now?

And the places like Malioboro, Alexis and so?

Thanks![/QUOTE]With regards to the high end hotels:

BATS in the Shang-ri-la is open thru out, but has no live music and all the lights are on for the first couple of days of Ramadan. There's also a day two weeks in which is off significance and the same regime applies. No live music and all lights on. There is no covercharge for those days and you'll find a few girls down there, but not too many. The rest of the time, it's business as usual.

CJ's in the Hotel Mulia is closed the three days mentioned above. Business as usual the rest of the time.

I also thinks the first day of Eid is treated as above, but have never been there for that as the whole country just about shuts down and not worthwhile being there for business.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger; 1261707]They're not all from Indramayu. I've seen Ayam from the likes of Bogor, Bandung and Surabaya at Pangeran Jayakarta and some of the Kota places. Oh, and the girl can still refuse a customer. I've seen it happen many times.

You?[/QUOTE]For sure, I was refused service by girl in travel

The one and only time I'll go there.

Ftr I'm not unattractive or unclean, getting way more free action these days.

She just wasn't keen, saying too big.

185cm is All

[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1263830]I won't comment on KK, because I am local. But from what I read, looks like more difficult to bang girls in their home country (I. E. In Usbek) , because selling sex's discreet. .[/QUOTE]True. It's damn near impossible to get Japanese in Japan, but in Australia it's easy.

Besides if you live here sometimes it's worth spicing it up.

As much as I do love our divine brown beauties

So tipping.

Certainly not customary where I'm from

And while I see it's value.

It's what? 10% if bill in a resto.

But I see guys throwing around 100's like it's monopoly money.

Even for shit service!

Even for private hire!

May well be for you? But not for bule who live here outside oil and gas.

I know what life costs here, I live like a decent paid local.

I know exactly how valuable 50rb is.

And that's the biggest tip I'll give,

It's enough really.

If she gives bad service, or pads the charges, she gets none.

I know how hard a masseur works in their hour for far less money.

So I'm not giving out candy for aspic.

I also don't buy girls drinks.

What's your policy?

So

=Koperen Karel; 1290826]Was in Jakarta again and decided to visit Blok M' s bars.

Slightly, with an extra 'private' corner.

The girl (forgot her name, but she has her hair cut in a bob) quickly stripped and started to open my pants. To my surprise she immediately asked if I wanted 'pompom'. This was still a no-no last year. I was tempted by her very attractive bum, but politely declined and chose the BBBJ, which she performed very good after some DFK and me fingering her pussy. After I came in her mouth she cleaned my parts and I closed up and paid her 400, 000.

Hmmm.

Plenty of good lookers there.

BBBJ in the's is 200. Don't negotiate.

FS is 300-400 covered optional BTW.

In the corner go for it

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]

Sorry about the last post.

I'm posting from an iPhone and it's pretty limiting for being able to edit and post.

[QUOTE=Townsy;1299369]What's your policy?[/QUOTE]If I am at Classik, Travel, Pangeran etc. I usually tip 100k but that's because I always do two shots and / or ask for BBBJ and / or bareback.

[QUOTE=Irish Mongrel;1298921]I also thinks the first day of Eid is treated as above, but have never been there for that as the whole country just about shuts down and not worthwhile being there for business.[/QUOTE]Yes, often the first day and perhaps the day before and the day after the first days are particularly strict. I'm not really sure if Idul Fitri itself is "strict" or if it's just a matter of logistics, everyone's gone home.

[QUOTE=Townsy;1299369]So tipping.[/QUOTE]Do what you want to do. I always laugh when guys say "Don't tip too much, you'll spoil the market." If I want to tip or pay more than the going price, that's between me and the girl. I'm not out there as a signed up representative of the Mongers Community. I think being slightly generous gets you much better service next time if you go back to the same place, even if it's a different girl. And if you don't, well, it just makes me feel good to give a girl who's done a good job a bit of extra money and see her smile. I get my rocks off AND I go away feeling like a generous guy. I usually tip 50k regardless, unless it's wilfully bad service or seriously bad attitude. If it's just a lack of skill or enthusiasm, she gets 50k extra and no repeat service.

You talk about making the same salary as a well-off Indonesian. Indonesian guys tip girls, often quite a lot if they like them. They also tip golf caddies, waiters and other useful proles. I used to go out mongering with a local Chinese guy, young and wealthy family, but not rolling in it personally. He gave crazy amounts to girls if he thought they were a bit special (we often disagreed: the usual breakdown, he was into pale skin and mancung noses). Golf caddies also tell me that locals are better tippers than bules. I think locals understand that no-one really lives on their wages in this country.

I'm not in gas and oil, either.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1299585]I usually tip 50k regardless, unless it's wilfully bad service or seriously bad attitude. If it's just a lack of skill or enthusiasm, she gets 50k extra and no repeat service.[/QUOTE]I give about the same at the cheapo short time places like Classic, Travel, etc. 100k for a girl who does a good job. 50k for mediocre. Nothing if she pisses me off and is horrible (very rare that happens).

I see no problem with tipping those girls 100k. They spend an hour in there servicing you and almost always let you get off 2 shots in that hour. It's less than 300k for that hour. I don't mind giving them that extra 100k. As a matter of fact, I think that's pretty much the standard tip these days even for the locals.

Where I see the problem to be is not the tip at those type of places, but the prices guys are paying to take girls out of places like CJ's, BATS, etc. I keep hearing about guys giving 1. 5 million for all night. That's too much in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1299658]Where I see the problem to be is not the tip at those type of places, but the prices guys are paying to take girls out of places like CJ's, BATS, etc. I keep hearing about guys giving 1. 5 million for all night. That's too much in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Agreed. But the beer in those bars is overpriced, too. Obviously there's a market for all available products in that price range. I spose a newcomer to town might feel safe in the hotel bar and think that going down to Palatehan or Kota was slightly too edgy or something.

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1299658]Where I see the problem to be is not the tip at those type of places, but the prices guys are paying to take girls out of places like CJ's, BATS, etc. I keep hearing about guys giving 1. 5 million for all night. That's too much in my opinion.[/QUOTE]I have a GFE regular who occasionally works in BATS. I give her 1M a night, but a night starts at 6 pm when she arrives at my hotel and finishes when she gets up late in the morning. If we go to BATS together she may meet up with a couple of friends. Stunners, in my view, whose minimum is 2M, and they do get it. They do not go for anything less according to my regular. Would I pay it? Probably yes, if I knew it was going to be money well spent. Certainly have the body and a good personality, and that's always a start. I've certainly paid a lot more in other places, and it's just like buying a good bottle of single malt that you've never tried before. You may not like it, but you're sure as hell going to try it. These girls target the guys staying in the hotel, easy to spot in hotel bars. They're the ones signing off on every drink.

[QUOTE=Irish Mongrel;1299700]whose minimum is 2M, and they do get it.[/QUOTE]I agree with a lot of your post. But I seriously doubt that any girl in BATS has a "minimum" of 2M. They may get it on occasion, but I've taken the top stunners (in my opinion) home from there and never paid anywhere near that. I do think they target guys staying at the hotel. And that's mainly for short times. On any given night in BATS, there may be 2 or 3 girls of high enough quality to consider worthy of paying $100 USD. I've seen a handful of girls there in the last 10 years who would be worthy of 2M, but they have always come there with guys and weren't freely on the market. I can understand why guys who stay there overpay, because they don't know any better. I still remember the first girl I ever met from BATS. A little cutie named Intan. She ended up marrying a Brit and moved away. But the first time I met her, she went with me for 300k (that was the rate back then). She told me that she normally looked for guys new in Jakarta who had just arrived at the hotel and didn't know anything about Jakarta. She said she would ask them for 2 million rupiah and they would be so happy a beautiful girl was available to them that many times they would say yes. Since that price was similar to the price they would pay in their own country, they would pay it.

I completely understand why a guy who is new in town would pay that much. But there's no excuse for anyone who reads this forum to pay that much.

Very good observation. Thanks. As for me, an all-nighter out of Balikpapan or Samarinda, would cost me Rp. 450, 000. 00 at the most. Nothing as beautiful as those available stock out of Jakarta. But, cann't be too choosy.

Ciao,

Pete33.

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1299895]I agree with a lot of your post. But I seriously doubt that any girl in BATS has a "minimum" of 2M. They may get it on occasion, but I've taken the top stunners (in my opinion) home from there and never paid anywhere near that. I do think they target guys staying at the hotel. And that's mainly for short times. On any given night in BATS, there may be 2 or 3 girls of high enough quality to consider worthy of paying $100 USD. I've seen a handful of girls there in the last 10 years who would be worthy of 2M, but they have always come there with guys and weren't freely on the market. I can understand why guys who stay there overpay, because they don't know any better. I still remember the first girl I ever met from BATS. A little cutie named Intan. She ended up marrying a Brit and moved away. But the first time I met her, she went with me for 300k (that was the rate back then). She told me that she normally looked for guys new in Jakarta who had just arrived at the hotel and didn't know anything about Jakarta. She said she would ask them for 2 million rupiah and they would be so happy a beautiful girl was available to them that many times they would say yes. Since that price was similar to the price they would pay in their own country, they would pay it.

I completely understand why a guy who is new in town would pay that much. But there's no excuse for anyone who reads this forum to pay that much.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1299895]I agree with a lot of your post. But I seriously doubt that any girl in BATS has a "minimum" of 2M. They may get it on occasion, but I've taken the top stunners (in my opinion) home from there and never paid anywhere near that. I do think they target guys staying at the hotel. And that's mainly for short times. On any given night in BATS, there may be 2 or 3 girls of high enough quality to consider worthy of paying $100 USD.

I completely understand why a guy who is new in town would pay that much. But there's no excuse for anyone who reads this forum to pay that much.[/QUOTE]There are some girls that are star quality that hit BATS between 10/12 at night. I was down last November, spent 2 weeks at a hotel near there. I would go down and eat some noodle soup at night and watch them getting out of the cabs going in. Heading down again next week for a few weeks, I'll probably try my hand there.

I spent all of my time in Blok M, My last visit I had fun but the girls were not as pretty as the ones going to BATS. I actually got a couple of phone numbers.

The ones I was chatting up were early 20's and could not have weighed more than 45kg. If that, banging bodies and looked to be decent in the titty department.

I'll post a report next week. Hopefully get some pics.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1298533]It's always a bit hard to tell what's going to happen until it does. On past record, most pubs and clubs will shut, except (in some cases) those based in star-rated hotels and / or those with extra special protection. When they are open, they often have to or choose to compromise a bit, often a bit farcically. For example, one resto I went to refused to serve me a LARGE beer in Ramadhan ("But I can have a small one?" "Certainly, Sir." "And the small one costs half as much as the large one? And I can order two?" "Of course, Sir". I'm not joking! Which chapter of al-Quran did THAT come from?). Most bordellos shut, although sometimes they operate under reduced circumstances. The Fifth Floor is famous, for another example, for closing but offering girls from hotel rooms instead.

Alexis would be interesting. I bet you that has some major backing. I don't usually go there, I'm too much of a tight-wad.

Last year, the Blok M bars still opened most of the time, but closed earlier. Otherwise, it was business as usual. I preferred it, the girls all wanted to get out of the bar well before one, although on the flip side, they also wanted to leave earlier to go home for saur.

A lot of gf type girls will be fasting. They don't usually have sex while doing so, that counts as breaking the fast. Very few girls feel strongly about not having sex after buka, though. In some cases, they go home to their kampungs. The girls who are going home want more money, so they will either be greedy or eager to please and or both. Some girls who operate in bordellos will be enthusiastic about giving you their number so you can visit them somewhere, so they don't lose an income for the whole month.

Food is slightly more difficult to get in the day time, but doesn't affect most travelers who eat in western or upmarket places.

Taxis and useful members of the working classes are difficult to find and employ.

People are generally a bit lazy and sleepy, it's not a good time for business.

If you live here, it's kind of a pain in the arse, but not a total waste of time or a bad time necessarily.

Hope this post covers all the details, and hope no-one else needs to come out with the string of Jakarta / Ramadhan questions that we always get. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your update Gonzo 2.

I was planing to visit from 28/7 to 5/8 and base on your info it's not the right time.

Can you please advise.

Thanks

here is my experience from a recent sampling of various aspects of the nightlife in jakarta.

let me preface it with a comment: i prefer tall young indonesian girls wearing short skirts and natural breasts, i generally seek gfe and i usually let the girls approach me, which admittedly is not the best way to score the aforementioned tall young indonesians. i do it because i like to fantasize that i seduced the girl and that if she likes me we will both enjoy. back to real life, at closing time i may end up with any girl who is not fugly because i don't want to go back empty handed but i am just too drunk and too tired to enjoy or know what i am doing. somehow i still manage to have fun in the process.

don't get me wrong, i am an experienced monger and i know the choices i will be faced with at the end of the night, after the beauties i have been looking at all evening will be long gone with more enterprising guys who walked up to them. will it be one of the leftover hardened pros, or perhaps the ugly short fat girl who kept following me all night? no. i will still be looking for the unlikely chance encounter with my dream girl, and chances are some time i will find her because in jakarta the night does not end.

day 1: jalan falatehan in blok m is a rather small and low class street, i got there late around 1am. a pretty (or maybe i was looking through my glass) but short girl chatted me up at topgun, then brought me to mybar across the street. at closing (4am) i decided she was not so bad after all and at least she spoke english. i asked her for a price at the club and she replied whatever you want. she was very good in bed but her pussy smelled of something, maybe condom, which was a real turnoff. i verified several times that it was not my condoms which smelled but it was her juices. when i gave her 500k she said the minimum price is 750k, i paid and she left after st.

on jl falatehan i have also visited highway to elle, which did not have any attractive girls, and d's place, which must be where the highway girls retire. one of them followed me on the street, begging me to take her. not cool. also i found it hard to get a blue bird or express taxi in the area late at night.

day 2: hit red square at 11:00pm. this is an upscale place, a bit small and crowded, many pretty girls there but hard to know if they are wg, none of them came to me so i moved on to stadium at 4:00am. as previously reported it is huge disco playing techno and full of weird and ecstatic people. place was packed, i was immediately approached by a flabby, old indian girl asking me to join her table, one of the few around the bar. some of her friends looked ok, i made the mistake of ordering long island ice tea, they passed my glass around and drank it all, the next one was stolen while i was not looking. in most bars i noticed that long island is disproportionately expensive and very popular with the girls. around 7am i hooked up with a soft lady who did not appear to be taking drugs, she had some nice story about being a forex agent, but could not quite answer questions on the matter, anyway she provided a nice bbbjtc and stayed with me until 7pm the next day without ever mentioning money. i resorted to bj because like the previous girl her pussy smelled of something reminiscent of a bad quality condom. i think i gave her 800k or so, she told me she is 37 but her body looked much younger and she was very gentle and personable. she even called my room to let me know she got home.

note: if there was ever a fire at stadium i would expect a great number of casualties, just getting out of the place at closing (7am) is chaotic and takes forever.

day 3: bats at shangri la (110k entrance includes 1 drink) , nice place, good band and girls, but all seasoned pros in my opinion; i. e. they work every night, at shangri la or cj's (mulia hotel) , ask for 1. 5m and only do short time. took a very pretty young 1. 5m lady back to my room, service was mediocre, fully covered, and then again that smell. i still don't know what was up with that, could not finish.

day 4: cj's. nice music too but 40% more expensive drinks (and girls?) than bats, entrance fee with 1 bacardi coke set me back 160k. many pretty ladies (including my bats date who recognized me from the night before) standing around. finally a young thing, a bit short, a bit plump but with beautiful eyes started staring in my directions and eventually danced with me. she says she is 19 and a student. needs 2 million to buy books. i am like. what? 2 million? her story is: her friend brought her to cj's 2 weeks ago for the first time and i am her 6th customer ever, she just needs the money, won't go below 1. 7m, which i reluctantly agree to because of her eyes, smile and the fact that she is so new. but no. back in the room the smell again. her service was not so good, she would not give cbj because "she never did", no kissing and semi starfish experience. despite my efforts to teach her i remained unconvinced but not unsatisfied. note: sunday morning she wanted to bring me to church with her family. expensive experience and not entirely gratifying, but with a freshness not found with a hardened pro at almost the same price.

day 5: went back to block m and reconfirmed my first impressions. due to a barfight at mybar headed back to bats and engaged the most beautiful girl there, stole her from a fellow monger who was already sealing the deal. we spent the evening dancing and she was just so gorgeous. then all hell broke lose, at 2am she brought me to the bathroom area to talk, asked if i wanted to go with her and how much i would give her. i offered 1m because that is the maximum many on on the forum say they pay, she would not go below 1. 5m for st, that is at 2am and i could tell she somewhat liked me. so how do you guys do it? of course back to the bar some other girls asked "where is your girlfriend" and probably they might have gone for 1m. but then for me being cheaper has never been the same as being sexy. so i left and went to mille's (lokasari plaza. 8th fl in kota) , a disco open until noon. not a bad place though quite dark and a bit strange because it is full of "ecstatic flies", girls and some men loaded with ecstasy wearing large sunglasses that make them look like flies shaking their heads from left to right to the music. at 9am inda comes to me, pretty, sexy, just what i was looking for. she says "mister can you give me some ecstasy?". what the fuck. i send her away and she comes back and dances on me for like an hour. we go back to my hotel.

on the way she explains that she works at alexis, has her day off and asks if i will give her some money. i assure her i will, she wants 60 usd. in short she was fantastic, bbbj alone lasted over an hour, total gfe with her moaning, cuddling and asking for another round. we agreed to meet again at 8pm the next day for an evening out.

day 6: terminal at hotel classic. i first stopped for a drink at the bar on the ground floor of hotel terminal, couple girls dancing topless on stage and a couple came to me asking for drinks, but the place looked dead and i moved up to the 2nd floor. terminal is a big place with a center stage for music / dancers, many girls sitting in couches and the mamasan will hook you up with one of her girls. the 400k promo for 2 girls is a bargain, i let one chose the other but only the one i chose was good, her friend did not do anything the whole time, except being the first one to ask for tips. overall not a bad place if you don't go late and just want one hour of fun with 2 girls, not much interaction otherwise though you can always buy them a drink. i was the only non-indonesian in the place when i went.

day 7: since i am only meeting inda at 8 i decided to go visit her workplace in the afternoon. traffic was bad and it took 1 1/2 hour to get to alexis from my hotel in kota.

alexis (7th fl lounge) is a very high end place that has been described several times. many very beautiful girls there, but the mamasan only presented 2 out of maybe 80+ after i told her my preferences. i picked one, whom i really liked and we went to the warm pool for 30 minutes, followed by a disappointing 1 hour session in the room. she seemed to be trying hard but always complained that "you are too big" so nothing happened. bj was brief and covered, she tried to wank me but i was not really interested in that option. damage: 1. 5m for 1. 5 hours, in the end the sex part and cost are not so different from the freelancers, and ymmv too, so i suppose the choice of entertainment between sauna and disco boils down to a matter of preference and time constraints.

when inda did not show up at 8pm i was surprised, somehow i was expecting her. i blamed myself for being so naive, believing a beauty from alexis met in a disco at 9am while she was tripping on ecstasy would still remember me the next day, let alone show up in my room. i called the phone number she gave me and got her mother, it was her home phone, this girl is so extra-ordinary she does not own a cellphone. mother speaks no english, me no indonesian, we were both clueless but she sounded nice, for one thing she did not hang up on me. then it all went very fast, at 8:40pm i was making alternate plans, at 8:45 inda was at my door, at 8:50 i was receiving the best bbbjtc of my life at 11:00 we were having dinner and at midnight she took me to a disco of her chosing called "pujasera" not sure of the spelling since there is no name on the door.

pujasera disco is in a roman-style building very near lokasari plaza that would ressemble a strip club in the us from outside. inside it is creepy, quite large, completely dark with a few strobe lights, the music is just anything played at accelerated speed to create a high pitched voice effect combined with bass. i left this place 10 hours ago and i still can' t hear well. the service is awful, waitresses always discard your glass still half full and i had to fight with them, i don't recommend the place unless you are into techno / trance. what made it bearable is that inda danced and grinded for 6 hours non-stop without ever sitting down. what a performance she put on and then another glorious round back at the hotel. a real trooper. she volunteered that she actually did not take ecstasy that night out of respect for me, whereas she normally would have, like everyone else at the disco. i will miss her and i will miss jakarta.

Great report Mahal, thanks!

[QUOTE=Mahal;1300408]Day 2: Hit Red Square at 11:00PM. This is an upscale place, a bit small and crowded, many pretty girls there but hard to know if they are WG, none of them came to me so I moved on to Stadium at 4:00AM.[/QUOTE]Most of them probably not. Many of my "nice" female friends go there for a fun night out. They may pull, but it's not usually primarily a commercial workers zone. This is one place where you may actually have to suck your gut in and put on a clean shirt and show a bit of charm if you want to get anywhere.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1300408]Then all hell broke lose, at 2AM she brought me to the bathroom area to talk, asked if I wanted to go with her and how much I would give her. I offered 1M because that is the maximum many on on the forum say they pay, she would not go below 1. 5M for ST, that is at 2AM and I could tell she somewhat liked me. So how do you guys do it?[/QUOTE]You did exactly as I would likely have done. Dump her, find another girl or go to another venue, and find some girl who isn't only out to rip guys off. When those girls pull me aside like that and ask how much I will pay, I normally tell them I'm not interested anymore. I hate it when they negotiate price, but it doesn't happen that often. I try to avoid the girls who are so hard core. I think maybe because I've been in Jakarta so long, I can usually figure out which girls are hard core hookers who only really care about money and which ones are actually out to have some fun in life and are sweeter. I can also speak bahasa well enough for them to know I've been in town a while. I will say I had one girl surprised me at BATS not too long ago and negotiated price after we had a very lovely evening prior to that. By that time of night, I was horny and the remaining selection was quite poor, so I made the mistake of taking her home and had a horrible experience. But it's an extremely rare occasion that I will take one home who pulls me over and tries to negotiate an absurd price prior to going home with me. It always seems a bad move.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1300408]Day 1: Jalan Falatehan in Blok M is a rather small and low class street, I got there late around 1AM. A pretty (or maybe I was looking through my glass) but short girl chatted me up at TopGun, then brought me to MyBar across the street. At closing (4AM) I decided she was not so bad after all and at least she spoke English. I asked her for a price at the club and she replied whatever you want. She was very good in bed but her pussy smelled of something, maybe condom, which was a real turnoff. I verified several times that it was not my condoms which smelled but it was her juices. When I gave her 500K she said the minimum price is 750K, I paid and she left after ST.[/QUOTE]I saw Smoothy's comment that he doesn't like negotiating the price beforehand, which probably works if you are known as a regular and as a Jakarta-based expat. Also, it's still not that uncommon to find a semi-pro or opportunist who really will just take whatever notes you thrust at her on her way out the door. It works so long as both parties are reasonable. My "up to you" price for an all nighter is 500k, which works at Blok M and Jaksa, I can't be bothered with BATS or CJs. Still, I'd recommend against a newcomer accepting the "up to you" offer. It never really is just "up to you". If she's a hard-core professional, get the price clear first.

[QUOTE=Mahal; 1300408]Here is my experience from a recent sampling of various aspects of the nightlife in Jakarta.

I asked her for a price at the club and she replied whatever you want. She was very good in bed but her pussy smelled of something, maybe condom, which was a real turnoff. I verified several times that it was not my condoms which smelled but it was her juices. When I gave her 500K she said the minimum price is 750K, I paid and she left after ST.[/QUOTE]She ripped you off I'm afraid. You don't pay 750k for a cewek from Falatehan for ST - least of all if you got her at 4am when they're as desperate too. Funny thing is I have come across the condom smell before, and asked the girl if she had been with someone earlier. I'm still not sure what it was til today. If anyone out there has any ideas, let me know.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1300408]Day 2: Hit Red Square at 11:00PM. This is an upscale place, a bit small and crowded, many pretty girls there but hard to know if they are WG, none of them came to me so I moved on to Stadium at 4:00AM.[/QUOTE]You need to put some effort in at Red Square. I can spot the odd "ayam" but there are a lot of civilians just looking for a night of fun too. An ex-gf took me there and she was with a group out to drink and dance like maniacs the whole night.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1300408]I made the mistake of ordering Long Island Ice Tea, they passed my glass around and drank it all, the next one was stolen while I was not looking. In most bars I noticed that Long Island is disproportionately expensive and very popular with the girls.[/QUOTE]Yes they love it. I end up buying it for a couple of friends every other time I'm in one of these clubs, and it is horribly overpriced.

[QUOTE=Mahal; 1300408]Day 3: Bats at Shangri La (110K entrance includes 1 drink) , nice place, good band and girls, but all seasoned pros in my opinion; I. E. They work every night, at Shangri La or CJ's (Mulia hotel) , ask for 1. 5M and only do short time. Took a very pretty young 1. 5M lady back to my room, service was mediocre, fully covered, and then again that smell.

Day 4: CJ's. Finally a young thing, a bit short, a bit plump but with beautiful eyes started staring in my directions and eventually danced with me. She says she is 19 and a student. Needs 2 million to buy books. I am like. What? 2 million? Her story is: her friend brought her to CJ's 2 weeks ago for the first time and I am her 6th customer ever, she just needs the money, won't go below 1. 7M[/QUOTE]I would have walked away at the mention of these prices, and maybe laughed when they quoted them. I have been to CJs and BATS regularly and never paid these amounts. Even to help with books. Chalk that up as another story from the ceweks, as oppose to the usual sick / accident / hospital fees story.

[QUOTE=Mahal; 1300408]Day 5:. Headed back to BATS and engaged the most beautiful girl there, stole her from a fellow monger who was already sealing the deal. We spent the evening dancing and she was just so gorgeous. Then all hell broke lose, at 2AM she brought me to the bathroom area to talk, asked if I wanted to go with her and how much I would give her. I offered 1M because that is the maximum many on on the forum say they pay, she would not go below 1. 5M for ST, that is at 2AM and I could tell she somewhat liked me. So how do you guys do it? Of course back to the bar some other girls asked "where is your girlfriend" and probably they might have gone for 1M. [/QUOTE]Interestingly you didn't have a single good experience by paying the silly money. Perhaps it just shows that throwing money doesn't necessarily get you the best service? Maybe you lucked out by walking away.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1300408]So I left and went to Mille's (Lokasari Plaza. 8th fl in Kota) , a disco open until noon. At 9AM Inda comes to me, pretty, sexy, just what I was looking for. She says "Mister can you give me some ecstasy?". What the fuck. I send her away and she comes back and dances on me for like an hour. We go back to my hotel.

On the way she explains that she works at Alexis, has her day off and asks if I will give her some money. I assure her I will, she wants 60 USD. In short she was fantastic, BBBJ alone lasted over an hour, total GFE with her moaning, cuddling and asking for another round. We agreed to meet again at 8PM the next day for an evening out.[/QUOTE]It's always the unexpected ones that manage to blow your mind somehow.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1300408]Day 7: since I am only meeting Inda at 8 I decided to go visit her workplace in the afternoon. Many very beautiful girls there, but the mamasan only presented 2 out of maybe 80+ after I told her my preferences. I picked one, whom I really liked and we went to the warm pool for 30 minutes, followed by a disappointing 1 hour session in the room. She seemed to be trying hard but always complained that "you are too big" so nothing happened. BJ was brief and covered, she tried to wank me but I was not really interested in that option. Damage: 1. 5M for 1. 5 hours.[/QUOTE]You seem to have very deep pockets bro, but you'd be better off just having a massage at Delta IMHO just to warm up for an evening.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1300408]When Inda did not show up at 8PM I was surprised, somehow I was expecting her. I blamed myself for being so naive, believing a beauty from Alexis met in a disco at 9AM while she was tripping on ecstasy would still remember me the next day, let alone show up in my room. I called the phone number she gave me and got her mother, it was her home phone, this girl is so extra-ordinary she does not own a cellphone. Mother speaks no English, me no Indonesian, we were both clueless but she sounded nice, for one thing she did not hang up on me. Then it all went very fast, at 8:40PM I was making alternate plans, at 8:45 Inda was at my door, at 8:50 I was receiving the best BBBJTC of my life at 11:00 we were having dinner and at midnight she took me to a disco of her choosing called "Pujasera" not sure of the spelling since there is no name on the door. I don't recommend the place unless you are into techno / trance. What made it bearable is that Inda danced and grinded for 6 hours non-stop without ever sitting down. What a performance she put on and then another glorious round back at the hotel. A real trooper. She volunteered that she actually did not take ecstasy that night out of respect for me, whereas she normally would have, like everyone else at the disco. I will miss her and I will miss Jakarta.[/QUOTE]You're very lucky. As a whole, the girls are very unreliable but 45 minutes late is actually pretty good for Jakarta. Menteng used to advise me to make at least two dates and only cancel one when the other showed up. But a great, and very honest FR bro. Perhaps you need to chat with JAD on your negotiation skills. Incidentally just for reference, there are very few fixed lines in Jakarta. Quite often the "home" phone is a CDMA phone that they will still carry with them. It is normal for girls to have at least two phones: one CDMA and one GSM. The CDMA numbers will start with the prefix 021 just like the fixed lines and the GSM prefix is 08. Just something to note when you receive numbers from the girls. It's highly unlikely that an Alexis girl did not have a GSM phone.

MD II

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1300605]I saw Smoothy's comment that he doesn't like negotiating the price beforehand, which probably works if you are known as a regular and as a Jakarta-based expat. Also, it's still not that uncommon to find a semi-pro or opportunist who really will just take whatever notes you thrust at her on her way out the door. It works so long as both parties are reasonable. My "up to you" price for an all nighter is 500k, which works at Blok M and Jaksa, I can't be bothered with BATS or CJs. Still, I'd recommend against a newcomer accepting the "up to you" offer. It never really is just "up to you". If she's a hard-core professional, get the price clear first.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with "It works so long as both parties are reasonable." I think the problem these days is too many of these girls have been screwed over by guys who refused to pay them decently, so they now ask a price up front. I'll never forget one time when these 2 girls called me one morning and told me they had just finished a double up on some guy who took them home and he only gave them 125k for the 2 of them. The girls wanted me to explain to him that they wanted 300k each and that 125k for both (62. 5k each for those who don't want to do the math) was unfair. I'd been with the girls many times so I knew they provided good service, but they could not speak English. They put the guy on the phone and I simply explained to him that Jakarta was such a wonderful and special place. That you could get a unique GFE experience here because the girls were not so hard core to demand a certain fee up front. That the going rate for 2 girls like those was 300k each and no less than 250k each if the girls provided good service, and us guys kind of had a code of honor to pay the girls a fair rate. I asked him if the girls did something wrong. He told me,"nothing wrong, they were a good fuck. But if they don't have the common sense to negotiate up front, they'll get what I give them."

It's guys like that who have ruined the GFE scene in Jakarta. And the pricing.

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1300672]I absolutely agree with "It works so long as both parties are reasonable." I think the problem these days is too many of these girls have been screwed over by guys who refused to pay them decently, so they now ask a price up front. I'll never forget one time when these 2 girls called me one morning and told me they had just finished a double up on some guy who took them home and he only gave them 125k for the 2 of them. The girls wanted me to explain to him that they wanted 300k each and that 125k for both (62. 5k each for those who don't want to do the math) was unfair. I'd been with the girls many times so I knew they provided good service, but they could not speak English. They put the guy on the phone and I simply explained to him that Jakarta was such a wonderful and special place. That you could get a unique GFE experience here because the girls were not so hard core to demand a certain fee up front. That the going rate for 2 girls like those was 300k each and no less than 250k each if the girls provided good service, and us guys kind of had a code of honor to pay the girls a fair rate. I asked him if the girls did something wrong. He told me,"nothing wrong, they were a good fuck. But if they don't have the common sense to negotiate up front, they'll get what I give them."

It's guys like that who have ruined the GFE scene in Jakarta. And the pricing.[/QUOTE]Hehe. What an arsehole. Still, quite an entertaining scenario. Good on you for attempting to negotiate for them. I had a regular a while back who came round to my place with eyes flashing and chest heaving one night, she said she and four other girls had gone around to a guys place to make him pay what he'd agreed to one of the girls. She, at least, was quite wiry and strong, labor in the fields as a young girl no doubt, and quite fierce. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall during the confrontation. She said the guy called the satpam, but the satpam listened to both sides and supported the girl. As we said, "so long as both parties are reasonable."

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1298533]It's always a bit hard to tell what's going to happen until it does. On past record, most pubs and clubs will shut, except (in some cases) those based in star-rated hotels and / or those with extra special protection. When they are open, they often have to or choose to compromise a bit, often a bit farcically. For example, one resto I went to refused to serve me a LARGE beer in Ramadhan ("But I can have a small one?" "Certainly, Sir." "And the small one costs half as much as the large one? And I can order two?" "Of course, Sir". I'm not joking! Which chapter of al-Quran did THAT come from?). Most bordellos shut, although sometimes they operate under reduced circumstances. The Fifth Floor is famous, for another example, for closing but offering girls from hotel rooms instead.

Alexis would be interesting. I bet you that has some major backing. I don't usually go there, I'm too much of a tight-wad.

Last year, the Blok M bars still opened most of the time, but closed earlier. Otherwise, it was business as usual. I preferred it, the girls all wanted to get out of the bar well before one, although on the flip side, they also wanted to leave earlier to go home for saur.

A lot of gf type girls will be fasting. They don't usually have sex while doing so, that counts as breaking the fast. Very few girls feel strongly about not having sex after buka, though. In some cases, they go home to their kampungs. The girls who are going home want more money, so they will either be greedy or eager to please and or both. Some girls who operate in bordellos will be enthusiastic about giving you their number so you can visit them somewhere, so they don't lose an income for the whole month.

Food is slightly more difficult to get in the day time, but doesn't affect most travelers who eat in western or upmarket places.

Taxis and useful members of the working classes are difficult to find and employ.

People are generally a bit lazy and sleepy, it's not a good time for business.

If you live here, it's kind of a pain in the arse, but not a total waste of time or a bad time necessarily.

Hope this post covers all the details, and hope no-one else needs to come out with the string of Jakarta / Ramadhan questions that we always get. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thank you Gonzo Two. Very good answer!

When I arrive to Jakarta on my trip to Irian Jaya, I have to stay at the Sheraton Bandara near the airport, due to an extremely early flight. Because of the schedule I only have a late afternoon and early evening.

Two questions: 1.) Is anything available in that immediate area? 2.) The hotel has a Spa. They also say that in room massage is available. On the Spa menu is a "Gentlemans Service" (or something like this) for 900K. 2 hours. Any chance that all this means I could get sex right on the premises?

Greatly appreciate any answer on this.

[QUOTE=Nabradi;1301467]Two questions: 1.) Is anything available in that immediate area? 2.) The hotel has a Spa. They also say that in room massage is available. On the Spa menu is a "Gentlemans Service" (or something like this) for 900K. 2 hours.[/QUOTE]Can't help re that area but you have plenty of time to visit Hotel Travel or Classic for enjoyable 2-3hrs

[QUOTE=Nabradi;1301467]Two questions: 1.) Is anything available in that immediate area? 2.) The hotel has a Spa. They also say that in room massage is available. On the Spa menu is a "Gentlemans Service" (or something like this) for 900K. 2 hours. Any chance that all this means I could get sex right on the premises?[/QUOTE]There's a grubby, low budget red light district right near the airport filled with East Javanese hookers, forget the name. Might be a bit basic and rough, I think they're aiming at the local workers' market. Something costing 900k and labelled "Gentlemans Service" definitely sounds promising, doesn't it? I'm just surprised that they put it explicitly on the menu like that. Let us know how it goes.

PS Whoops! I thought you were talking about Jayapura. Other members may know more about the situation near the airport in Jakarta. A few years ago, someone said that the hotel actually based in the airport has a full-service, on site knocking shop. Only in Jakarta!

Does anyone have favorite central Jakarta lunchtime venues where you can also get a meal in addition to dessert?

[QUOTE=Andy Russett;1302406]Does anyone have favorite central Jakarta lunchtime venues where you can also get a meal in addition to dessert?[/QUOTE]4 posts since 07? And now you are hungry?

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1302487]4 posts since 07? And now you are hungry?[/QUOTE]What generated the interest is I recently completed the two books entitled Jakarta After Hours or something. The books are dated, but they discussed more meal options, e. G. Sushi, than I have seen on this forum over that past two years. Many of the MP's open before lunch and there are restro's near by and also many of the hotels (classic, alexis etc.) have on site restuarants. However, it seems like there may be more options out there and I wanted to hear the senior members opinions. Were those books discussed extensively when they first came out? It sounds like some things have changed and maybe not for the better. What is your view on them?

[QUOTE=Andy Russett;1302596]What generated the interest is I recently completed the two books entitled Jakarta After Hours or something. The books are dated, but they discussed more meal options, e. G. Sushi, than I have seen on this forum over that past two years. Many of the MP's open before lunch and there are restro's near by and also many of the hotels (classic, alexis etc.) have on site restuarants. However, it seems like there may be more options out there and I wanted to hear the senior members opinions. Were those books discussed extensively when they first came out? It sounds like some things have changed and maybe not for the better. What is your view on them?[/QUOTE]Imperial Chef, near the Olimo bus station, is good for duck and pork, and conveniently located near the Mangga Besar. Hayam Wuruk bordello area.

Went to Hotel Classic for the first time due to many positive reviews. Stepped in at level 5 and asked mamasan to recommend a girl.

Since I didn't know any of them.

The girl choosen was pretty but didn't say a word. We went to the room were she was showing no interest at all to shower together.

Do a BJ or do anything to arouse me. She was obviously straight from the kampung and it took her 10 minutes to figure out what was outside and inside.

Of the condom. I asked her for a BJ, but she refused why I went out and cancelled the whole thing.

I experienced the same thing last year in HT. The people there were very friendly and asked if I wanted to change the girl or if I wanted the money back.

I though Classic had a similar policy, but not. They forced an unattractive girl on me as a replacement and angrily refused any kind of refund of the money.

I wasn't interested in that girl and all the other girls the mamasan had were all newbies just like the first catastrophe.

I told them that HT would have helped me to get a refund if the girl was too inexperienced to do a satisfying job, the guards were polite, but the old.

Chinese mamasan (with her hoarse whisky voice) was starting to be aggressive. The money is small and not important. The important thing is for the

Establishment to show that they care for their customers.

I left the place before things went sour. But will never return.

A warning to all members. This place don't care * about you if they send you a inexperienced girl.

I have been to classic two times: The first and the last! Tomorrow HT.

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[QUOTE=Madrid2000;1302978]I experienced the same thing last year in HT. The people there were very friendly and asked if I wanted to change the girl or if I wanted the money back.[/QUOTE]Yeah, well. Hotel Travel does have young, inexperienced girls. I've more or less given up, last time I went, admittedly on a busy Saturday night, two of the girls said no, they didn't want to serve a Bule, and the third said she'd only do it as part of a double act. I lost interest and went home after a beer. I bet you they wouldn't have been so fussy on a Tuesday afternoon. I much prefer joints where you can chat and mingle with the girls, I hate the whole fish bowl concept. The best you can try to do is to tell the Mamasan to step back and give you some space, then look at the girls, try to make eye contact. Some of them will smile or wink or blow a kiss, then you know they are going to be ok. I've given up trusting Mamasan's recommendations, maybe if you're a regular, favored customer it works, but usually they have their own motivations for recommending someone, and your personal satisfaction seems to be quite low on their list of priorities.

A short stop over in Jakarta wsas used to visit Travel & Berlian.

At hotel Travel, on Sunday evening, followed my standard recipe. Choose one girl, let her choose another one. It is not that I am too fond of threesomes but I cannot resist bargains & I find that two girls are usually more at ease with a bule. Worked fine this time. The chubby onbe was good during sex and the other one talkative. The fact that me no bahasa and they no english did not really hinder the conversation. Value for money.

Next afternoon Berlian. Chose the friendliest smiling girl. Good choice, was friendly during the whole process.

[QUOTE=Mahal;1300408]her pussy smelled of SOMETHING reminiscent of a bad quality condom. I think I.[/QUOTE]I know the smell you are talking about, I too, always thought it was a condom odor but finally figured it out. The girl has thrush. Take her to the pharmacy and buy her a course of Canestan oral. The thrush will clear up in a week and you can go back to a nice fresh sweet smelling pussy.

Hi coming to Jakarta in late August is Stadium night club still happening / Any police raids lately? Any member know any other clubs play good techno are good party place?

Hi any one been to the Stadium lately? Any police raids? Looking to be in town late August I want to go check out.

Just came back from a trip to jakarta.

Stayed at a friend's house near jatinegara station.

Very busy area during the day, traffic jams all along.

At night, the place quiets down, but some interesting things happening there, just strolling along the main road, away from the station, noticed several big holes in the wall along the tracks. And behold, lots of hookers there! Doing there business in little makeshift shacks, or even in the open!

Great for kicks. And the sight of a white tourist like myself was surely not a usual thing there, I got a lot of 'hello mister'.

Back at the house, I asked my local friend about that scene. He told me the going rates there are 50. 000 rp for a fuck in one of the huts, or 20. 000 to 30. 000 for a blow-job! No doubt very local scene with very local prices. But for the thrill-seekers among you, how's that for kicks?

[QUOTE=Belgianguy;1305550]At night, the place quiets down, but some interesting things happening there, just strolling along the main road, away from the station, noticed several big holes in the wall along the tracks. And behold, lots of hookers there! Doing there business in little makeshift shacks, or even in the open![/QUOTE]Make sure they don't have dicks! The area is a pretty notorious lady boy zone, although there are real girls there, too. They tend to hang out in slightly different areas.

Yearly issue but from what I heard most bars and clubs are closed during the fasting month, the owner of some of the venues I go said they are open. Most hotels and plaza will function normally however bars restaurants in Kemang will be closed as the Bangka area is close to there for the first three days of Ramadhan. In Central Jakarta

BATS is open being a (steak restaurant) as same as Face Bar (opposite Mandarin Oriental) although they tone down alcohol display and music. Other stand alone venues I'm not sure about.

[QUOTE=Paulb;1305252]Hi any one been to the Stadium lately? Any police raids? Looking to be in town late August I want to go check out.[/QUOTE]To Paulb.

I was in Jarkata last month did go to Stadium for 2 night no police raid just a few flight broke out, but there might be a police raid when you are in town you can call the police station and ask them about that.

Fast eddei 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48;1306289]. but there might be a police raid when you are in town you can call the police station and ask them about that.[/QUOTE]Haha. But seriously, if you tip the bar staff five or ten thou for your first drink, by the second, you'll be their friend. Just ask them if there's going to be a raid that night. They usually know. In fact, since they are the ones that usually sell whatever it is that the police are looking for, that's another clear signal: if nothing is available that night, it's usually because they are expecting a raid. I used to go there with a gang of friends, mixed bunch, about half Indonesians. One of them always used to call ahead and check with his mates there. I don't think raids ever happen there without the prior knowledge of management.

I stayed recently at MyHotel in Glodok on Jl Gajah Mada. Very basic hotel, but new, clean and cheap: under USD 25 when booking through Agoda. From there the MPs Berlian and Kartika and the disco Stadium are within walking distance, as well as the Lokasari / Mangga Besar brothels, and even the Pangeran Jayakarta MPs (15 min walk if you're in good health).

On the west side of Jl Gajah Mada, near the intersection with JL Mangga Besar Raya, there are several street vendors (they appear after sunset) that sell enhancement pills of various kinds, Cialis etc. I bought a 4-pack of the Chinese version (as it has always served me well) for 50 kRp, and true enough it gave the "rush" in the face after 20 minutes and was good for 5 sessions: An IndoCupid contact came to the hotel directly after her work and we had two sessions before dinner, two sessions after dinner and finally a glorious morning session.

The location of MyHotel is good in also another way since it is along the [b]Koridor 1 Busway[/b], so one can quickly go to BATs, Tigah Pula and Block M, at least before 11 pm (when I think the last bus runs). I have marked the route in the Jakarta Monger map in green colour.

Thanks Shuga for this information. Good to know. You mention about the Jakarta Monger Map. Where can I find it? Did you get girls from the places you mentioned or did you always have freelancers from dating sites? I like a LT just as you can get in Pattaya or BKK.

[QUOTE=Shuga; 1306474]I stayed recently at MyHotel in Glodok on Jl Gajah Mada. Very basic hotel, but new, clean and cheap: under USD 25 when booking through Agoda. From there the MPs Berlian and Kartika and the disco Stadium are within walking distance, as well as the Lokasari / Mangga Besar brothels, and even the Pangeran Jayakarta MPs (15 min walk if you're in good health).

On the west side of Jl Gajah Mada, near the intersection with JL Mangga Besar Raya, there are several street vendors (they appear after sunset) that sell enhancement pills of various kinds, Cialis etc. I bought a 4-pack of the Chinese version (as it has always served me well) for 50 kRp, and true enough it gave the "rush" in the face after 20 minutes and was good for 5 sessions: An IndoCupid contact came to the hotel directly after her work and we had two sessions before dinner, two sessions after dinner and finally a glorious morning session.

The location of MyHotel is good in also another way since it is along the [b]Koridor 1 Busway[/b], so one can quickly go to BATs, Tigah Pula and Block M, at least before 11 pm (when I think the last bus runs). I have marked the route in the Jakarta Monger map in green colour.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sumart;1306478]You mention about the Jakarta Monger Map. Where can I find it?[/QUOTE]In [b]Reports of Distinction[/b] [i]Ryo Saeba[/i] put a link to the map, see post #87.

[QUOTE=Sumart]Did you get girls from the places you mentioned or did you always have freelancers from dating sites?[/QUOTE]This was only a 3 day visit so I kept the girl from IC, who was not a freelancer but a freebee: she cost me nothing but a dinner each night and was happy with that and the good sessions. Actually, the first night I woke up just as she finished her first prayer (4.30 am), she was horny so we had a thorough session then. :)

Steet hookers noted at opposite KFC on the road to Olympia hotel Mangga Besar. Didn't try it as I heading to Travel hotel.

Spent another two nights in Kota just before the start of Ramadan. Went to Hotel Travel both nights. And used my 'standard' procedure. Pick a girl, not a skinny one. And let her pick a companion. First night service was excellent. Wanted to have the same girls next night bu alas were occupied. Two others were also good.

During the daytime went to Blok M just to check it out. Jalan Falatehan is easily found from the busway end halt. But nothing going on there, as to be expected during the day. And the night activity is much too late for me.

No signs of Ramadan activity, unlike Solo where I was before.

[QUOTE=Indonam; 1306059]Yearly issue but from what I heard most bars and clubs are closed during the fasting month, the owner of some of the venues I go said they are open. Most hotels and plaza will function normally however bars restaurants in Kemang will be closed as the Bangka area is close to there for the first three days of Ramadhan. In Central Jakarta

BATS is open being a (steak restaurant) as same as Face Bar (opposite Mandarin Oriental) although they tone down alcohol display and music. Other stand alone venues I'm not sure about.[/QUOTE]Indonam,

Thanks for the update- I booked a trip for Aug 3-5, forgetting about Ramadan. Does anyone know if the bars in the Kota area, like Bintang Mewar, etc, will also be closed?

Friendly

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1306404]Haha. But seriously, if you tip the bar staff five or ten thou for your first drink, by the second, you'll be their friend. Just ask them if there's going to be a raid that night. They usually know. In fact, since they are the ones that usually sell whatever it is that the police are looking for, that's another clear signal: if nothing is available that night, it's usually because they are expecting a raid. I used to go there with a gang of friends, mixed bunch, about half Indonesians. One of them always used to call ahead and check with his mates there. I don't think raids ever happen there without the prior knowledge of management.[/QUOTE]To Gonzo two.

Oh well Paulb ask a dumb question and he got a dumb answer, if you keep your nose clean and don't carry any drug you should be ok, police Raid they are looking for drug and bust the drug pusher even the Management kno about the raid he wouldn't tell all the staff.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Siepko Bach; 1307317]Spent another two nights in Kota just before the start of Ramadan. Went to Hotel Travel both nights. And used my 'standard' procedure. Pick a girl, not a skinny one. And let her pick a companion. First night service was excellent. Wanted to have the same girls next night bu alas were occupied. Two others were also good.

During the daytime went to Blok M just to check it out. Jalan Falatehan is easily found from the busway end halt. But nothing going on there, as to be expected during the day. And the night activity is much too late for me.

No signs of Ramadan activity, unlike Solo where I was before.[/QUOTE]Lack of daytime activity in Jalan Pelatehan has nothing to do with Ramadan. The street is always dead during the day.

In daytime the only Blok M mongering activities can be deployed in Hotel Melawai (Maribaya Bar) and in the "Hookers Graveyard" (name escapes me as a result of late hour).

Regards,

Ko

I was been in Jakarta some days ago.

Berlion and Kartika are closed, and a man in front of them said: "Augustus!". If it is true, may be they don't work all Ramadan long.

Hotel Travel has the entrance door locked, but it is open and fully working: it needs enter by hotel. The girls wear jeans&t-shirts, but they work as usual.

Hi guys!

After having adventures in Russia, Ukraine and other Europe country I would like to try something new and different. Even I simply love EE dievuskas! So I thought Asia would be perfect of this matter.

The big question is where to go Philippines, Indonesia or Thailand? So I hope someone with a little experience can help me out.

The sunny beach is not a must for me. I also don't enjoy having st sex in bordellos or on street corner.

What I do like is total GFE (this is must for me). Also things like taking few drinks, talking, eating dinner together etc.

I also like comfortable hotels, quality strip clubs, bars and casinos with poker but the last one is not a must. I prefer girls with nice ass, breast no need to be big and not to low.

Any suggestions guys?

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1307812]I also like comfortable hotels, quality strip clubs, bars and casinos with poker but the last one is not a must. I prefer girls with nice ass, breast no need to be big and not to low.

Any suggestions guys?[/QUOTE]To summarize 5 to 10 years of readily available and accessible posts on this forum, Jakarta does indeed have comfortable hotels. Also, no shortage of girls with nice asses and small-to-medium sized breasts. Suggestions? I'd suggest reading through some of the previous posts on this very forum to get a sense of how this wonderful city works and then, if you still need it, to come back with much more specific requests for information.

Hi There,

I'm playing with the thought of visiting Jakarta in the next few days, however, I'm still a little bit unsure.

As I was reading through your reports, I noticed that you mostly refered to girls which you booked for an hour or so.

But how about a whole night?

The following is my intention:

In the afternoon, I hire a taxi and I check out the different locations where the girls "work". After getting a rough overview, I book a nice, beautiful girl till next morning. I'm looking for a girl friend experience.

My intention:

I go out with her. We shop around. I take her out for dinner. And finally we end up in my hotel room and enjoy ourselves.

Is Jakarta the wrong place to do this stuff? How about during Ramadan?

Where do you advise me to go? Bangkok, Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1307780]. And in the "Hookers Graveyard" (name escapes me as a result of late hour).

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]Bali Hai.

NO

Thanks for replay!

Jakarta indeed seems to have all my heart would desire. I do have ONE BIG concern tho and want to ask.

WG you guys find on Bats, Cj`s and etc. Now I got impression these girls come from very poor / uneducated background. For me good level of communication is very important, I don't say I need to have conversation with the girls about European economic crisis.

But I do want to have a normal conversation. Things like "no money, no honey baby" or "do you want bom bom" dose not do it for me. Hope I can have an answer on this. Since I rly don't know what to expect in asian scene.

My plan B.

I registered on indo cupid today and have found one smart and educated "possible girlfriend" during my stay in Jakarta. She have a high end job and dose not have any money concerns whatsoever.

Funny thing was she claims on her profile seeking just for friendship. We get a great conversation going and she tells me that she is avergine and will do this just with her future husband (I know not good). What became even bigger shock after this she wrote me I like sex and I need sex but just don't take away my virginity. I hope she did meen oral and anal so I can live with that.

So either way trip to Jakarta will it be.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1308221]Thanks for replay!

Funny thing was she claims on her profile seeking just for friendship. We get a great conversation going and she tells me that she is avergine and will do this just with her future husband (I know not good).[/QUOTE]Had this many times, and is just a way of maintaining a facade of respectability and letting you know that she is a "good girl." Mmmm, my favourite type and have had a handfull of these on permanent standby in Jakarta for a few years. Some of the best sex I have experienced, and these days I do not bother "hunting" at the usual Jakarta venues.

One of my favourite "good girls" has a good job, lives with mum & dad, and on her way home will drop into my hotel for session. On arrival she will drain me dry with a CIM BBBJ (she knows that by letting off the head of steam she is guaranteed of a good long pounding later) then its off to a nice place for dinner and a couple of glasses of wine. Then back to my hotel for a good round of sex. OK, its a routine and may not have the excitement of "the hunt," but is good quality sex, and she is usually on her way by 11 PM which means I get a decent nights sleep and can work the next today (yep, some of us need to earn a living).

[QUOTE=Pak Mike; 1308225]Had this many times, and is just a way of maintaining a facade of respectability and letting you know that she is a "good girl."[/QUOTE]

I was chatting with a good girl on Asiandating earlier. A few days ago, she gave me the "good girl" routine. The next day, she sent me photos of her just wearing her bra and undies. Of course, she doesn't use her real name on Asiandating, but she sent me the images by email, which contains her real name. I googled and searched a few other forums, and for a good girl, she's pretty active. Haha. I'm the first guy she's ever chatted with on a forum like that, she said. Nope, she's never actually met a guy on a forum in real life before. Haha. Going to take her out later tonight.

The one bit I did believe was when she said she hates guys on the forum (see, we've already forgotten the bit about never having chatted on a forum before) talking to her about sex within the first few minutes of going online. Definitely don't ask them how much they charge for anal, or something like that. The ones I've met on Asiandating have never actually asked for or taken cold, hard cash, although the restaurants they like to be taken to charge twice as much for a bottle of wine as the cost of a shag down in Kota. At least you get to drink half of it.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1307780]In daytime the only Blok M mongering activities can be deployed in Hotel Melawai (Maribaya Bar) and in the "Hookers Graveyard" (name escapes me as a result of late hour).

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]I think you mean My Place, also known as Bali Hai.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1307812]I also like comfortable hotels, quality strip clubs, bars and casinos with poker but the last one is not a must. I prefer girls with nice ass, breast no need to be big and not to low.

Any suggestions guys?[/QUOTE]Forget about gambling, unless you know an insider.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1308393]I think you mean My Place, also known as Bali Hai.[/QUOTE]Which has now closed up permanently, according to my friend. I will check soon though as I drive past every day.

[QUOTE=Cooze Hound;1308417]Which has now closed up permanently, according to my friend. I will check soon though as I drive past every day.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure that is true. I was told it will be renovated into a nicer "hotel." As to what that means I have no idea. It could be normal hotel. Or it could continue as a brothel.

[QUOTE=Pak Mike; 1308225]Had this many times, and is just a way of maintaining a facade of respectability and letting you know that she is a "good girl." Mmmm, my favourite type and have had a handfull of these on permanent standby in Jakarta for a few years. Some of the best sex I have experienced, and these days I do not bother "hunting" at the usual Jakarta venues.

One of my favourite "good girls" has a good job, lives with mum & dad, and on her way home will drop into my hotel for session. On arrival she will drain me dry with a CIM BBBJ (she knows that by letting off the head of steam she is guaranteed of a good long pounding later) then its off to a nice place for dinner and a couple of glasses of wine. Then back to my hotel for a good round of sex. OK, its a routine and may not have the excitement of "the hunt," but is good quality sex, and she is usually on her way by 11 PM which means I get a decent nights sleep and can work the next today (yep, some of us need to earn a living).[/QUOTE]You just got to love it LOL! Just in two days this girl developed from "looking for friendship" and saving my self for my future husband to a sex starving women)

This is high educated chick who was claiming to be a very good girl) Now she is literally asking me to come and fuck her brains out. Discussing what kind of sex will we have and asking 100s of times if I think her body is good naff for me and if I promise her not to fuck other girls)

I have no experience with asian culture and women, but I guess this is a part of the tradision / religion just to have sex with the man you love. Or I might be wrong. Because even she totally change her attitude she still claims to be mother theresa. And that she only will have sex with the guy she loves LOL.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1308551]This is high educated chick who was claiming to be a very good girl) Now she is literally asking me to come and fuck her brains out. Discussing what kind of sex will we have and asking 100s of times if I think her body is good naff for me and if I promise her not to fuck other girls)[/QUOTE]I think there's a few things at work. The biggest thing is that they want you to talk to them nicely and not treat them like they think men treat kampung hookers. If you show them that "treating with respect" and "having casual sex with" are not mutually exclusive, they are all for it. Then, they really are looking for a husband, if they can find someone who will sign up. If they thought that not putting out was the way to get one, they'd definitely keep you waiting. My usual MO with the dating sites is to meet up with 'them, then tell them, with a touch of sorrow, that I feel that I'm just not suited for the matrimonial state, but they seem really nice and I wouldn't mind staying in touch, meeting for a cup of coffee, chatting every now and again. Just as friends. Strictly platonic. Usually melts their hearts, they usually decide that there's no need to emphasize the "no physical contact" rule, and the game is on. I'm quite happy to wait for the second meeting before getting a shag, but maybe I'm a slow worker, some people here seem to get it on the first time as a matter of course.

After doing some reading on Asia forum I am starting to get an impression of what to expect in different destinations. But still its hard to determine which would be the best place to go to for my first visit in Asia.

Now I am thinking to go to one of the places for two weeks period. As I wrote in previous post I am more of a long term guy for whom GFE are important, professionalism, comfortable hotel, some nice cafes and dining places.

So after weighing my options I came up with two destinations that I think would probably sue me which are Bangkok or Jakarta.

Now from these two places where would you say is higher quality of the girls, where is more lt GFE possible.

Jakarta seems to have terrible traffic making it hard to come places for a noob and things are more spread but got things for different taste and price. Bangkok p4p scene seems to be huge where you got a red light districts for foreigners making it look like and easy travel destination for a first time traveler.

So taking in consideration my needs and that I would go for two weeks, first time traveler to Asia. What would you think guy would be better choice?

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1308745]After doing some reading on Asia forum I am starting to get an impression of what to expect in different destinations.

So taking in consideration my needs and that I would go for two weeks, first time traveler to Asia. What would you think guy would be better choice?[/QUOTE]Jakartas extremely dangerous, hotels are not value for money, immigration staff at airport hassle western travellers, I've been to jakarta once and couldn't stomach the place and left after 3 days, but can easily handle Thailand no pompem!

Your analysis is dead on. For a newbie to mongering in Asia, LOS is a much easier place to navigate. More central pink zones, you can easily get around by BTS / foot to most of all the hot spots [although if you're into soapies, need a taxi at times]. And getting laid is as easy as ordering room service [literally!].

For those with more experience and a little bit of Bahasa, Jakarta remains the place to go. But you need to know your way around the city, deal with traffic, and a little bit of patience. I prefer the women here, little less commercial but that's my own personal opinion. Also I was fortunate to live here for several years back in early '90's.

For your first trip, I'd suggest Bangkok and Pattaya (or Philippines, where English is spoken everywhere). But keep in mind two weeks in one place is an awful long time, no? You do have enough time to spend few days in Bkk, few days in Pattaya (where I haven't been in over 30 yrs), and then take a short hop over to Jkt? If you do head to Jkt, set up with JAD first for one of his 'tours'...well worth the time and money.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1308745]As I wrote in previous post I am more of a long term guy for whom GFE are important, professionalism, comfortable hotel, some nice cafes and dining places.[/QUOTE]My advice would be to stay in Europe.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1308756]Your analysis is dead on. For a newbie to mongering in Asia, LOS is a much easier place to navigate. More central pink zones, you can easily get around by BTS / foot to most of all the hot spots [although if you're into soapies, need a taxi at times]. And getting laid is as easy as ordering room service [literally! ].

For those with more experience and a little bit of Bahasa, Jakarta remains the place to go. But you need to know your way around the city, deal with traffic, and a little bit of patience. I prefer the women here, little less commercial but that's my own personal opinion. Also I was fortunate to live here for several years back in early '90's.

For your first trip, I'd suggest Bangkok and Pattaya (or Philippines, where English is spoken everywhere). But keep in mind two weeks in one place is an awful long time, no? You do have enough time to spend few days in BKK, few days in Pattaya (where I haven't been in over 30 yrs) , and then take a short hop over to Jakarta? If you do head to Jakarta, set up with JAD first for one of his 'tours'. Well worth the time and money.[/QUOTE]Thank you for informative feedback!

Yes you are right, I do like an idea of not just staying in one place for two weeks, since it might get very monotone. Think I will go for two / three week tour BKK to start with, then Pattaya since I read that buses departure every 30 min and its only abut 130km between places. And will head towards either Philippines or Jakarta. Still need to think what is more convenient traveling from Pattaya. Good thing is in this way I will gain more experience of Asia scene and will know better what to expect.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1308773]Thank you for informative feedback!

Think I will go for two / three week tour BKK to start with, then Pattaya since I read that buses departure every 30 min and its only abut 130km between places. And will head towards either Philippines or Jakarta. Still need to think what is more convenient traveling from Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Tiger Air has flights from Phuket to Jakarta with a short stop in Singapore. It's very convenient to fly from Phuket to Jakarta one way and Jakarta to BKK the other way. Air Asia has non stops BKK to Jakarta. Tiger and Cebu Pacific have round trips BKK to AC.

Three weeks makes for a very good itinerary. I recommend roughly a week in 3 destinations of your choosing. I don't think you should try to spread yourself out too thin and try for 4 destinations. Basically you can flip a coin about Jakarta or AC. Both destinations have plenty of girls and won't disappoint. It is a matter of personal taste as to which is better. AC has practically no learning curve for a newbie. Girls are super friendly and speak English. All the bars are located on one long street. It is comparable to Pattaya in this regard. Jakarta on the other hand is a far more complex and a more interesting major city. Jakarta girls are pretty spectacular and the food is great. Jakarta is comparable to BKK. AC and Pattaya are cheaper than BKK and Jakarta. If you only have two weeks, then stay in LOS and spit your time between BKK and Pattaya.

Here is an idea of 2 sample trips: Plan 1. BKK 3 days. Pattaya 6 days. Jakarta 6 days. BKK 6 days. Or Plan 2. BKK 4 days. AC. 5 days. Pattaya 6 days. BKK 7 days. If you prefer resort towns over cities then spend a more days in Pattaya over BKK and forget about Jakarta and visit AC.

There is no bad choice among these 4 destinations. They are all insane! Yet they are all very different. You are going to have the time of your life.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1308808]Tiger Air has flights from Phuket to Jakarta with a short stop in Singapore. It's very convenient to fly from Phuket to Jakarta one way and Jakarta to BKK the other way. Air Asia has non stops BKK to Jakarta. Tiger and Cebu Pacific have round trips BKK to AC.

Three weeks makes for a very good itinerary. I recommend roughly a week in 3 destinations of your choosing. I don't think you should try to spread yourself out too thin and try for 4 destinations. Basically you can flip a coin about Jakarta or AC. Both destinations have plenty of girls and won't disappoint. It is a matter of personal taste as to which is better. AC has practically no learning curve for a newbie. Girls are super friendly and speak English. All the bars are located on one long street. It is comparable to Pattaya in this regard. Jakarta on the other hand is a far more complex and a more interesting major city. Jakarta girls are pretty spectacular and the food is great. Jakarta is comparable to BKK. AC and Pattaya are cheaper than BKK and Jakarta. If you only have two weeks, then stay in LOS and spit your time between BKK and Pattaya.

Here is an idea of 2 sample trips: Plan 1. BKK 3 days. Pattaya 6 days. Jakarta 6 days. BKK 6 days. Or Plan 2. BKK 4 days. AC. 5 days. Pattaya 6 days. BKK 7 days. If you prefer resort towns over cities then spend a more days in Pattaya over BKK and forget about Jakarta and visit AC.

There is no bad choice among these 4 destinations. They are all insane! Yet they are all very different. You are going to have the time of your life.[/QUOTE]Very informative and great post, so thank you!

I can't wait to enter Asian soil for the first time in my life and explore some of what Asia has to offer. Either it will be two or three weeks I am sure I will have a great time.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1308756]Y few days in Pattaya (where I haven't been in over 30 yrs)[/QUOTE]You need to visit Pattaya again. It's far nicer than it was years ago. The improvements just in the last 10 years are pretty remarkable. If I were a rookie sex tourist, I'd head straight to Pattaya and stay there for the full 2 weeks. Hell, even living in Jakarta over 10 years, I would probably rate Pattaya as the best place in the world to go. The only problem is it's not as cheap as places like Angeles City or Cambodia when it comes to prices for the girls. But it's so comfortable staying there with all of the conveniences, I think it's worth the more expensive price the girls charge. Still cheaper than Bangkok or Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1308988]You need to visit Pattaya again. It's far nicer than it was years ago.[/QUOTE]LOL! Unfortunately there is no way I can 'sneak' off for even 48 hours. My wife stayed in BKK with me for 3 months couple of years back and her girlfriends own some legit spas there. So if I was ever to find an excuse to visit, she'd wonder why I wouldn't stay at her friend's place. In my next life. :D

[QUOTE=PattayaTony;1308754]Jakartas extremely dangerous, hotels are not value for money, immigration staff at airport hassle western travellers, I've been to jakarta once and couldn't stomach the place and left after 3 days, but can easily handle Thailand no pompem![/QUOTE]Immigration at Cengkareng (Jakarta airport) is completely hassle free. Pay the USD 25 (or EUR 20) charge for Visa on Arrival, take the receipt to the second desk for your visa and get in one of the queues for immigration. If you were hassled you probably behaved like an ass. In over 20 years of regular entry I was never hassled. Whatever gave you the idea that Jakarta is dangerous, or even extremely dangerous, is a mystery to me (and I expext to many regular visitors). Hotels are what you select. They vary from 0-star to 5 star + with accompanying price rates. Value for money is in the eye of the beholder. One negative side of Jakarta: traffic."If you're not in a traffic jam, you're not in Jakarta".

But if you are happy in Thailand, goood for you. More Indonesian girls for the rest.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1309248]Immigration at Cengkareng (Jakarta airport) is completely hassle free. Pay the USD 25 (or EUR 20) charge for Visa on Arrival, take the receipt to the second desk for your visa and get in one of the queues for immigration. If you were hassled you probably behaved like an ass. In over 20 years of regular entry I was never hassled. Whatever gave you the idea that Jakarta is dangerous, or even extremely dangerous, is a mystery to me (and I expext to many regular visitors). Hotels are what you select. They vary from 0-star to 5 star + with accompanying price rates. Value for money is in the eye of the beholder. One negative side of Jakarta: traffic."If you're not in a traffic jam, you're not in Jakarta".

But if you are happy in Thailand, goood for you. More Indonesian girls for the rest.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]Immigration hassled every westerner on my plane, other westerners next to me even pointed out to me how much trouble it was, one guy was held up for over 20 minutes and had to make a cellphone call to get through, for me the pen I used wasnt blue enough and I had to write out the card again and of course I was grilled with stupid questions. I suggest you travel a bit more around asia and see how hassle free other countrys are.

Yes jakarta is dangerous, some dirty fucker tryed to rip my back pockets off, in broad daylight, I suggest you read western governments travel safety websites a bit more and use google a bit as they all back me up and say safety is a issue in Indonesia.

Friends,

I am planning a trip to Jakarta from SIN (where I have a 2. 5 days stopover) enroute my final destination.

With reading pages from Jakarta & Batam threads, I am up with some questions.

1) Tickets from SIN to CGK on Aug 26th (Sunday) are very expensive ( 300-400 USD) , any suggestions?

2) I read at places (forgot whether it was Batam or Jakarta thread) that one can get 24 hour LT gals. Can someone re-point me to that info / places where I can do so, pref. In Jakarta?

3) Been talking to a couple gals from Jakarta who work in their daytime but would love to F* around in off hours, do you think it would be safe to indulge with any such ones found on DIA? In particular, getting them to my hotel room, etc?

4) Do you guys have your favorite places in Jakarta where you have had the highest GFE-hit ratio?

5) Can I expect all sexual activities in Hotel Classic & Hotel Travel alone? Or should I look for other places?

Remember, this is my first time to Indo. So any good sampling would be fine.

Regards,

-R.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel;1309248]In over 20 years of regular entry I was never hassled. Whatever gave you the idea that Jakarta is dangerous, or even extremely dangerous, is a mystery to me (and I expext to many regular visitors).[/QUOTE]About 15 years ago, I regularly used to get minor grief for having too many Indonesian stamps in my passport and a lot of requests for a ten dollar donation. I've got much better documents these days, but even so, I haven't heard of anything like that happening for well over a decade. If you are from a developed nation, the only money you will be asked for is for official fees (I hear it's different for African and Chinese passport holders). Jakarta is "extremely dangerous"? Pffffft. What words would you use to describe Brazzaville, or even Dar es Salaam or Nairobi, then? It may be slightly less user friendly than Bangkok for a completely inexperienced traveler, but the worst most people suffer is a slightly padded taxi fee. Even then, it's been years since I've had a real "argo kuda" problem or even a taxi driver deliberately going a really long way around (some drivers don't know the city as well as they should, it must be said, even Blue Bird has it's share of drivers just in from Indramayu. Most of them will ask you if you know how to direct them where you want to go, if that's the case. Poor bastards, I feel a bit sorry for them, I always wonder if they are going to make it safely back to the base in time).

[QUOTE=PattayaTony;1308754]Jakartas extremely dangerous, hotels are not value for money, immigration staff at airport hassle western travellers, I've been to jakarta once and couldn't stomach the place and left after 3 days, but can easily handle Thailand no pompem![/QUOTE]Are you serious? Take a look at Crime News Pattaya. As a westerner I feel that Jakarta is a very safe and friendly place if comparing to P.

PB

Recently spent a weekend in Jakarta. Must say that despite Ramadan this place does allow for a fantastic mongering weekend:

Friday evening: started off at Top Gun in Block M. Decent band and quite some *lookers around. But many of them had hilarious price expectations: was quoted IDR 1. 5mn for s / t. After some beers over the street to D's P. Which is a very interesting venue. Front part is a Sportsbar with various activities, in the back part a separate room caters to more intimate activities starting at IDR 100k; an experience not to be missed, highly recommended *. (PM me is further details are needed). A few attractive girls next to some more average looking ones. After experiencing some good services time to bid farewell and move down the road to MyBar, which get's active post 12 am (during Ramadan closes at 1:30am). The quality of girls was similar to Top Gun, but (possibly also later hour) the price level in a different league and all seemed to be more friendly, more in a party mode. Also good band, had a great time and s / t take out ended up being only IDR 500k all in. Very enjoyable time with a stunner, who knew how to perform.

Saturday: Evening activities started at Hotel Classic, again a *very interesting *venue. Forget what is on Floor 1 (said to be a total rip-off) , Floor 3 (if I remember correctly) is what you are looking. A huge hall with an un-imaginable selection of beauties (and some less so, but all in the 20. 30yr range I wld guess). Very pushy Mama-sans, but they do get the message if you want to go slower on the selection process. Quality is great. Maybe my friend and I simply got*very lucky. And prices very reasonable at below IDR 300 (incl. Room and protective gear). Had a great looking 20 yr old, excellent GFE experience (cannot forget her cfm look at me while she was blowing me.) with the works in a modern decent room with shower. Very well spent IDR's, this was real value for money. Rest of the evening again in Top Gun, which was a bit disappointing as the ratio of below average ladies was far too high compared to other venues and those who did have the looks behaved like bitches. Which they probably are. Finished off again at MyBar with a s / t take out with a friend of the previous night's babe, who again did know the art of performance.

Jakarta during Ramadan might be slightly slower and bars might be closing a bit earlier than normal, but this activity beats many other places anytime of the year. Always provided you are into the Indonesian / Malay looking type gals.

To some earlier mails on Indonesia hassels. I have been to Indonesia countless times, never had any really noteworthy negative experience; but hey this is Southeast Asia and at the end of the day you never know. If you can't take it, simply stay home and leave the beauties to those who like this place.

Every year, when Maribaya closes for Ramadan, a few girls take rooms in Melawai and operate from there. I normally went to Maribaya on the last day and connected with those girls who tend to rent rooms and take their HP numbers and give them mine. They would then sms me the room numbers. It was mongering as usual for me in Maribaya even during the holidays. But, this time, unfortunately, I have had to be away from Jakarta for a longer time on account of being deputed to some God forsaken country for the past 4 months. Just landed today. Obviously could not connect to any girl in Maribaya to know their room numbers. I have an option of going to Melawai and finding out the details from the guys down and will be led there. But, the girls would have to pay commission to those guys. I would not want want the girls to loose out, since they are staying back during holidays to make some extra buck for their families.

In the past, I used to PM the details to regulars. But, this year I have to be dependant on our friends on the board here. Would anyone know the room numbers or have the HP numbers of the girls operating from there. Would appreciate if you could PM me the details.

Cheers

[QUOTE=PattayaTony; 1309269]Immigration hassled every westerner on my plane, other westerners next to me even pointed out to me how much trouble it was, one guy was held up for over 20 minutes and had to make a cellphone call to get through, for me the pen I used wasnt blue enough and I had to write out the card again and of course I was grilled with stupid questions. I suggest you travel a bit more around asia and see how hassle free other countrys are.

Yes jakarta is dangerous, some dirty fucker tryed to rip my back pockets off, in broad daylight, I suggest you read western governments travel safety websites a bit more and use google a bit as they all back me up and say safety is a issue in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]Yes. You are obviously right. Please do not venture out into Jakarta. Its not a place to be in. Getting girls is very difficult. And hunting for mongering places is an ardous task. You may not get any girl. Suggest Pattaya is better off. Jakarta is not a friendly place and the people are not friendly. Neither are the girls. Nor are their any bars or pubs.

[quote=farape;1309477].friday evening: started off at top gun in block m. decent band and quite some *lookers around. but many of them had hilarious price expectations: was quoted idr 1. 5mn for s / t. after some beers over the street to d's p. which is a very interesting venue. front part is a sportsbar with various activities, in the back part a separate room caters to more intimate activities starting at idr 100k; an experience not to be missed, highly recommended *.................to some earlier mails on indonesia hassels: i have been to indonesia countless times, never had any really noteworthy negative experience; but hey this is southeast asia and at the end of the day you never know. if you can't take it, simply stay home and leave the beauties to those who like this place.[/quote]

maybe you look like a newbe or you met a selfoverrating chick. as a regular visitor to jakarta (and top gun & d's place) i pay 300 k for short time (2 or 3 hours) and 500 k for long time (all night) plus 50 k taximoney. the girls know and accept that (except some girls with star allures). ....................about the horrors of jakarta: i also have been to indonesia countless times, i realy look very caucasian with blond hair (what is left) and my worst experience was that i had to have a girl removed by security that anticipated on vomiting on my clean shirt.


[quote=john aldrich;1309541]yes. you are obviously right. please do not venture out into jakarta. its not a place to be in. getting girls is very difficult. and hunting for mongering places is an ardous task. you may not get any girl. suggest pattaya is better off. jakarta is not a friendly place and the people are not friendly. neither are the girls. nor are their any bars or pubs.[/quote]

i absolutely agree with john, please don't come to indonesia, too dangerous and absolutely not fit for mongoring foreigners (leave the place to us :) ).

have fun,

no

[QUOTE=John Aldrich;1309541]Yes. You are obviously right. Please do not venture out into Jakarta. Its not a place to be in. Getting girls is very difficult. And hunting for mongering places is an ardous task. You may not get any girl. Suggest Pattaya is better off. Jakarta is not a friendly place and the people are not friendly. Neither are the girls. Nor are their any bars or pubs.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Non Olet;1309549]Maybe you look like a newbe or you met a selfoverrating chick. As a regular visitor to Jakarta (and Top Gun & D's place) I pay 300 K for short time (2 or 3 hours) and 500 K for long time (all night) plus 50 K taximoney.I absolutely agree with John, please don't come to Indonesia, too dangerous and absolutely not fit for mongoring foreigners (leave the place to us :) ). Have fun,[/QUOTE]Ha! Hide all the women in town! Natty (Bangkok) Bumpo is coming to the big durian. And I am looking forward to it.

Captain Beefheart: "Better watch out there's ah man eater around. Hide all the women in town. When it blows its stacks."

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1309290]Friends,

I am planning a trip to Jakarta from SIN (where I have a 2. 5 days stopover) enroute my final destination.

With reading pages from Jakarta & Batam threads, I am up with some questions.

1) Tickets from SIN to CGK on Aug 26th (Sunday) are very expensive (300-400 USD) , any suggestions?

2) I read at places (forgot whether it was Batam or Jakarta thread) that one can get 24 hour LT gals. Can someone re-point me to that info / places where I can do so, pref. In Jakarta?

3) Been talking to a couple gals from Jakarta who work in their daytime but would love to F* around in off hours, do you think it would be safe to indulge with any such ones found on DIA? In particular, getting them to my hotel room, etc?

4) Do you guys have your favorite places in Jakarta where you have had the highest GFE-hit ratio?

5) Can I expect all sexual activities in Hotel Classic & Hotel Travel alone? Or should I look for other places?

Remember, this is my first time to Indo. So any good sampling would be fine.

Regards,

-R.[/QUOTE]Indeed prices are high on all airlines around that date. Take the metro from Changi airport and then the ferry to Batam and use Lion Air to fly to Jakarta for around 1mil IDR, s on same day.

Or stay overnight at Batam for a lower rate on the next day. About 600k. Use that difference to hire an overnight gal at Batam. Believe me it's very easy and straight forward to get to Batam. You'll need about 2, 5 to 3 hrs from the airport.

Forget DIA girls for such a short time and stick to Hotel Travel and Hotel Classic 3rd floor up the mechanical escalator (not ground floor) for afternoon delights. They used to have a promo for a 3some around 400k at Classic.

Use the other venues described here for the evening / night activities. Do not expect to find the woman of your life in only 2 days. Simply enjoy cheap and easy sex.

Next time I'll charge you for such info! LOL

I truly, honestly appreciate your response. I owe you one for sure!

The route you suggest to get to Jakarta looks interesting. Doesn't sound as pale as flying in a plane. Looks like I will do that!

It could be just me, but did not realize that the Hotel Travel & Classic are closed at nights. Is that really so?

Or are you simply suggesting I go to the other venues for the LT fun?

Thanks again!

-R.

[QUOTE=El Greco; 1309623]Indeed prices are high on all airlines around that date. Take the metro from Changi airport and then the ferry to Batam and use Lion Air to fly to Jakarta for around 1mil IDR, s on same day.

Or stay overnight at Batam for a lower rate on the next day. About 600k. Use that difference to hire an overnight gal at Batam. Believe me it's very easy and straight forward to get to Batam. You'll need about 2, 5 to 3 hrs from the airport.

Forget DIA girls for such a short time and stick to Hotel Travel and Hotel Classic 3rd floor up the mechanical escalator (not ground floor) for afternoon delights. They used to have a promo for a 3some around 400k at Classic.

Use the other venues described here for the evening / night activities. Do not expect to find the woman of your life in only 2 days. Simply enjoy cheap and easy sex.

Next time I'll charge you for such info! LOL[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1309784]I truly, honestly appreciate your response. I owe you one for sure!

The route you suggest to get to Jakarta looks interesting. Doesn't sound as pale as flying in a plane. Looks like I will do that!

It could be just me, but did not realize that the Hotel Travel & Classic are closed at nights. Is that really so?

Or are you simply suggesting I go to the other venues for the LT fun?

Thanks again!

-R.[/QUOTE]Try Jl Palatahan in Blok M. A string of bars with many girls, that are willing to stay the night (or even longer) with you in your hotel and start with Ds Place or with Top Gun. Just tell them straight away that you are not in for short time. Come to good agreements about price and duration, pay in the morning, because otherwise some familymember might get ill during the night (500 to 700 K for LT until breakfast after some negotiations is fine)
Have fun,

NO

[QUOTE=John Aldrich; 1309538]Every year, when Maribaya closes for Ramadan, a few girls take rooms in Melawai and operate from there. I normally went to Maribaya on the last day and connected with those girls who tend to rent rooms and take their HP numbers and give them mine. They would then sms me the room numbers. It was mongering as usual for me in Maribaya even during the holidays. But, this time, unfortunately, I have had to be away from Jakarta for a longer time on account of being deputed to some God forsaken country for the past 4 months. Just landed today. Obviously could not connect to any girl in Maribaya to know their room numbers. I have an option of going to Melawai and finding out the details from the guys down and will be led there. But, the girls would have to pay commission to those guys. I would not want want the girls to loose out, since they are staying back during holidays to make some extra buck for their families.

In the past, I used to PM the details to regulars. But, this year I have to be dependant on our friends on the board here. Would anyone know the room numbers or have the HP numbers of the girls operating from there. Would appreciate if you could PM me the details.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I have a few room numbers and hp numbers, PM if interested

Thanks NO. That is useful info!

I will follow your tips. Since you have quoted the LT price, let me ask. How much barfine should I expect to pay?

Also - is it safe to venture in that area in late evening / night time? And take a taxi from there to my hotel in Central Jakarta?

[QUOTE=Non Olet; 1309821]Try Jl Palatahan in Blok M. A string of bars with many girls, that are willing to stay the night (or even longer) with you in your hotel and start with Ds Place or with Top Gun. Just tell them straight away that you are not in for short time. Come to good agreements about price and duration, pay in the morning, because otherwise some familymember might get ill during the night (500 to 700 K for LT until breakfast after some negotiations is fine)

Have fun,

NO[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pikefish;1308429]Pretty sure that is true. I was told it will be renovated into a nicer "hotel." As to what that means I have no idea. It could be normal hotel. Or it could continue as a brothel.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Hotels, the owner of Top Gun is constructing a hotel on the corner where Oscar's used to be on Paletahan. Or so he tells me. I have noticed a building rising there so time will shortly tell.

Rabame (?) no bar fines for the girls in Blok M as they are freelancers.

And on the Immigration hassle front, a couple of guys have mentioned a particular younger officer on the immigration counter after VOA whom does all he can to thwart admission. Asking for proof of money, air ticket back out etc.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1310096]Thanks NO. That is useful info!

I will follow your tips. Since you have quoted the LT price, let me ask. How much barfine should I expect to pay?

Also. Is it safe to venture in that area in late evening / night time? And take a taxi from there to my hotel in Central Jakarta?[/QUOTE]Indeed, no bar fines in Blok M. All girls are independant entrepreneurs. The only additional cost (if the girl performed satisfactory) is to give her 50 000 rups ($5-) extra for a taxi home as a courtesy. On the way to your hotel: do not take the taxi's in Jl Palatehan but ask at the bar of D's Place or Top Gun to call for a Blue Bird taxi. Or walk out of the street (against the traffic) and turn right. There are generally some Blue Birds and Silver Birds waiting.

Jl Palatehan is very safe, but to go to your hotel after midnight I strongly advise to take a cab. Price to central Jakarta hotels: between 20 000 and 40 000 rups by Blue Bird and 200 000 to 400 000 if you take a non metered cab waiting outside the bars. Moreover you have to pay the parking guy in Palatehan 2 000 rups ;) so keep some small money ready and remember, if you have a white skin, taxidrivers never can change large bills and you better have some smaller bills in your pocket.

Have fun,

NO

I've been here since early July, hit Blok M some nights, other places other nights. I have to say third floor of the Classic Hotel has a club Terminal 21 that is awesome. I was there on weekday nights, I saw no fewer than 75 girls all ready to go, Two at a time for 400, 000 which is 40. 00 USD. All were cute young and hot.

Blok M is always a party as is Kota. These girls are giving pussy out of both pant legs.

I had a hard time letting them keep a rubber on, as most wanted me to remove it.

Trying to decide where I'll go tonight. LOL

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1308221]Thanks for replay!

Jakarta indeed seems to have all my heart would desire. I do have ONE BIG concern tho and want to ask.

WG you guys find on Bats, Cj`s and etc. Now I got impression these girls come from very poor / uneducated background. For me good level of communication is very important, I don't say I need to have conversation with the girls about European economic crisis.

But I do want to have a normal conversation. Things like "no money, no honey baby" or "do you want bom bom" dose not do it for me. Hope I can have an answer on this. Since I rly don't know what to expect in asian scene.

My plan B.

I registered on indo cupid today and have found one smart and educated "possible girlfriend" during my stay in Jakarta. She have a high end job and dose not have any money concerns whatsoever.

Funny thing was she claims on her profile seeking just for friendship. We get a great conversation going and she tells me that she is avergine and will do this just with her future husband (I know not good). What became even bigger shock after this she wrote me I like sex and I need sex but just don't take away my virginity. I hope she did meen oral and anal so I can live with that.

So either way trip to Jakarta will it be.[/QUOTE]Good luck mate. Yes there are virgins around but it's a big question as to what she means by sex and you'll just have to find out. Incidentally, please have a backup plan. There are plenty of girls on Indo Cupid so it shouldn't be too hard.

MD II

Seniors, who have experience both in Jakarta and Bali. How does Bali compare to Jakarta in terms of quality, quantity and cost (of gals for mongering, in case its not clear)?

Any pointers / tips?

[QUOTEHow does Bali compare to Jakarta in terms of quality, quantity and cost (of gals for mongering, in case its not clear)?

Any pointers / tips?[/QUOTE]Simple tip. Stay at Jakarta. Cheaper, better quality and more choice. Unless of course, you're looking for beaches, better air etc.

Cheers.

McM

Hi,

Was in Jakarta for 5 days 4 nights last week and had sex all four nights. No surprise here, I know.

Due to Ramadan (1) , pregnancy (1) and broken heart (1) , my usual DIA and similar contacts were not available for game, so I had to retort to the paying alternative. Saved me money I think (average "gift" was 500 K) , headaches (for sure) , brought average satisfaction, but what's new.

Night 1 : was in Bats, which was crowded and did not change much from the usual. As always, a mix of fat and ageing (in my eyes at least) wry omen and a few hot ones. One I thought I recognized from previous encounters, but she seemed busy entertaining other guys. So either I was wrong or she was ignoring me, or both, but I did not try my luck. At some point a semi drunk bit short came to me and started conversation. I was getting drunk, yes I know what's new too? And talked back. After this and that, we decided to go home. NOthing to write home about. She did not know how to blow, did not really enjoy the fuck. Let her go with the agreed 600 000 after a fuck.

Night 2 : I had contacted this girl on DIA prior to coming over, and her first mail was "Oke what hotel you stay? Text my phone +628588xxxxxxx". It did not take much thinking to realize what was at stake here. So I finally decided to call for her. We discussed a bit and agreed for 500 000 for 2 shots. Of course, she was older than expected (38) and not even close to the pics one DIA. But all in all a good experience : good BBBJ with CIM and wet towel after, quite enjoyable. Second shot was good, varied positions and ending with good HJ since I would not come with the rubber on. She has a tight body, no stretch mark, fake but nice boobs. Worth the time and money all in all. Can share contact, am sure she will be eager to comply with lots of requests.

Night 3 : went to blok m top gun. Picked up a shy smiling cutie. She gave good BJ, sex was just ok, and the blood left hinted at soon coming period. Sent her home with 400 000 and a pat on her butt.

Night 4 : could not leave Jakarta on such an average experience. So went back to Block M. It was the same as the night before, quite crowded. After an hour and 3 scotch sodas, noticed a very slim yet curvy thing in an incredibly short white dress. She was not the firt one I noticed, but for sure the only one with a smile. So we exchanged looks then started talking etc. One hour later, and another two drinks later, we were in my room. She really had a hot body, gave an ok GFE, nothing to remember all my life, but enough to remember the name she gave me : Mary. Yeah sure. Claims she goes blok m once or twice a week. That one was a Thursday.

So all in all, not really my best week ever. But still had what I paid for.

Have fun

Perfect! That's what I wanted to hear, thanks.

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1310546]

[QUOTEHow does Bali compare to Jakarta in terms of quality, quantity and cost (of gals for mongering, in case its not clear)?

Any pointers / tips?[/QUOTE]Simple tip. Stay at Jakarta. Cheaper, better quality and more choice. Unless of course, you're looking for beaches, better air etc.

Cheers.

McM[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1310496]Seniors, who have experience both in Jakarta and Bali. How does Bali compare to Jakarta in terms of quality, quantity and cost (of gals for mongering, in case its not clear)?

Any pointers / tips?[/QUOTE]If it's just girls you are looking for, the quality and price (for quality) is better in Jakarta. But there is some talent in Bali. Personally, I like to go to Jakarta and find a nice girl and take her to Bali with me. The indo girls can normally get a cheaper rate for the hotel than you can as a foreigner, so it ends up saving you money.

[QUOTE=Monte3; 1310412]I've been here since early July, hit Blok M some nights, other places other nights. I have to say third floor of the Classic Hotel has a club Terminal 21 that is awesome. I was there on weekday nights, I saw no fewer than 75 girls all ready to go, Two at a time for 400, 000 which is 40. 00 USD. All were cute young and hot.

Blok M is always a party as is Kota. These girls are giving pussy out of both pant legs.

I had a hard time letting them keep a rubber on, as most wanted me to remove it.

Trying to decide where I'll go tonight. LOL[/QUOTE]Thanks for this post Monte. Teminal 21 sounds amazing! Can you take more than 2 girls? At those prices I'd be tempted to take 4! Is this a club where you can barfine girls or is it strictly in house? I'm thinking of hitting up Jakarta while in Phils so I'll definitely check it out. Enjoy your trip!

I have been reading somewhat many threads inside ISG`s Indonesia page. Mostly looked / read the Photo gallery and some of the Indo`s I find very gorgeous. I have also been reading about hotels and some in the general Jakarta thread.

Could some of you experts on Jakarta give me a hint of a 2-3 days mongoringpackage. Just wanting Freelanceladies. I presume I will end up in Block M (My Bar, Top Gun, Sportsmann) so I would realy like to have tip of the closest decent hotel preferably walking distance to this place. As I have read most of the hotels (99, 9%) are GF and no joiners fee am I right? So then it is just location location and licefree bed (I hope) which is realy important to me.

Since I never had any Indonesian sexual experince except from internet (hehe) I would realy like to fuck a few Indo girls so I can get that out of my head (have been bothering me for LT since I find some of them very beautiful). Otherwice if you have any tips on some local behaviour I should be aware of to get this ladies (I have money) I would also appreciate this. I will be going mid to late August any holy holiday I should be aware of around these dates?

In Thailand som LT sessions with freelance can last to long (can not get rid of them) is that a problem in Jakarta? And do you have to state a price upfront in Jakarta or can we just take it back when session is over. I am no cheap charlie but will try to stick to prices seen inside ISG (ranging from 300. 000 to 1mill+).

And what is the deal of the Classic Hotel I have read about this but I can not state if it is a real hotel or a prostitute venue. And is it far from Block M, hehe?

[QUOTE=Skogis;1311457]And what is the deal of the Classic Hotel I have read about this but I can not state if it is a real hotel or a prostitute venue. And is it far from Block M, hehe?[/QUOTE]Hotel Classic is a Brothel. You can take the girl in an on site short time room for an hour. If she's an attractive girl, about 15 minutes after you finish with her, another guy will be having sex with that same girl in a different room. The girls service approximately 8 guys a day, so the earlier you get there, the fresher the girl. Price is 270k for 1 girl for an hour or 400k for 2 girls for an hour. They will expect at least a 50k tip each, but I normally give them 100k tip each if they are good.

Hotel Classic is far from Blok M. All the way at the other side of Jakarta. Even non rush hour, it will take you close to an hour to get there from Blok M. At Rush hour, maybe 2 hours by taxi. North Jakarta has brothels designed mainly for the local Chinese and Indonesians such as Hotel Classic. South Jakarta has freelancer bars in Blok M for the expats such as Top Gun, D's Place, and My Bar. There are also expat freelance bars in the 5 star hotels like Hotel Shangri La and Hotel Mulia but the price is higher. The girls in the expats bars speak English, the girls in the North Jakarta brothels don't normally speak a word of English.

Folks, so I have been in touch with a couple of DIA gals from Jakarta.

One of them just cracked me up when chatting with her on WhatsApp. Here's what it is. She only enjoys giving BBBJ a little, but no CIM. Doggy is her favorite part. And she has big assets (according to her) , face looks on in a picture I saw of her. And the best part. She brought up the money topic in the conversation and on being asked how much she expects, she said that she wants 2 million IDR for over night (LT) and about 800K-1 million IDR for ST.

When I told her its kinda high. She tells me that this is the normal rate.

Now this gal is only a care-taker of an apartment complex, not a hifi model of any sort! So I did not expect these rates, esp. After knowing the pro-prices at Classic, TopGun LT, etc.

Any advice from fellas here? Should I bargain for a lower one telling her of the reality I know or just dump her before I meet her or what?

Any tips are welcome. At this moment, I am only amused!

PS: She knows I am from the US of A.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1311520]Folks, so I have been in touch with a couple of DIA gals from Jakarta.

One of them just cracked me up when chatting with her on WhatsApp. Here's what it is. She only enjoys giving BBBJ a little, but no CIM. Doggy is her favorite part. And she has big assets (according to her) , face looks on in a picture I saw of her. And the best part. She brought up the money topic in the conversation and on being asked how much she expects, she said that she wants 2 million IDR for over night (LT) and about 800K-1 million IDR for ST.[/QUOTE]I won't pretend I know specificaly Jakarta very well but in general when it comes to mongoring I use DateinAsia, Tagged, craigslist aso frequently. So I know you can run into someone like you did. First you think they are normal non p4p girls but later it turns out to be complete opposite.

As for the pricing issue there are a few things worth remembering on a general level (my meaning). First try to look up what is the main price beeing quoted from the freelancegirls. In Jakarta I have been reading ISG forum and also got PM`s that a freelancegirl can cost from 3. 500. 000 ST and from 500. 000. 1MILL LT (overnight and multiple entries). I guess you can consider your DIA date a freelancegirl. So 2MILL sounds steep to me if she is not very Hi So, Model material or have some special skills as squirting, wetsex and the like. But ofcourse only the sky is the limit when it comes to pricing and ofcourse someone having their looks and beauty playing as an advantage can keep a higher price as long as they get customers / sponsors.

Second and more important is if you agree to a high asking price the girl can easily choose not to perform (starfishing) and she still knows she will still get good money from the situation. Example: If you agree to give her 2MILL for LT she can perform badly so you want her out of the room quickly. She knows you will not give her full asking price but she will probably end up with around 1MILL or so (for maby a bad and even short ST session). This is calculated up front. I have made this mistake when I was a young mongorer and it is educational.

And third never pay upfront. You tend to get more motivated girls this way.

Just my cup of tea.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1311457]Could some of you experts on Jakarta give me a hint of a 2-3 days mongoringpackage. Just wanting Freelanceladies. I presume I will end up in Block M (My Bar, Top Gun, Sportsmann) so I would realy like to have tip of the closest decent hotel preferably walking distance to this place. As I have read most of the hotels (99, 9%) are GF and no joiners fee am I right? So then it is just location location and licefree bed (I hope) which is realy important to me.[/QUOTE]Your best bet is to contact JAD and hire him for one of his infamous tours

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1311554]Your best bet is to contact JAD and hire him for one of his infamous tours[/QUOTE]The Ambhara hotel is just across the road from Jalan Pelatehan.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1311457]I have been reading somewhat many threads inside ISG`s Indonesia page. Mostly looked / read the Photo gallery and some of the Indo`s I find very gorgeous. I have also been reading about hotels and some in the general Jakarta thread.

Could some of you experts on Jakarta give me a hint of a 2-3 days mongoringpackage. Just wanting Freelanceladies. I presume I will end up in Block M (My Bar, Top Gun, Sportsmann) so I would realy like to have tip of the closest decent hotel preferably walking distance to this place. As I have read most of the hotels (99, 9%) are GF and no joiners fee am I right? So then it is just location location and licefree bed (I hope) which is realy important to me.

/QUOTE]I'm not an expert, but I'll give it a shot. Smoothy already addressed Hotel Classic so I'll mention other info for you to continue your research. Ramadan will be over on 19 Aug. You may want to travel to Jakarta on or after this date. As far as hotels go, look on TripAdvisor for the Ambhara Hotel as well as the hotel Gran Mahakam. I don't know what your budget is. Ambhara is closer to Jalan Palatehan. Mahakam is also within walking distance but you may prefer a taxi. Mahakam is nicer and has a more conservative feel but like any hotel I've used in Jakarta they won't bat an eye if you bring in a girl you've picked up. Hotel Melawai is an easy walk from Mahakam. Just head to the elevator and go up to the 6th floor. Also, there are two malls within walking distance so you have that. Look up Ambhara and Mahakam and take your pick. Or try something else in the area. If you want to venture into Kota you may want to save it for your next trip and just use this round to get your feet wet in the Blok M area which is relatively tame and manageable.

I might be moved to Jakarta for work and may not be provided with housing, so I've been checking apartment prices and am a bit shocked at how high rent is there. I'm finding most apartments priced from 1300usd on up to 5000usd! I was expecting prices similar to Bangkok. Now I know in a lot of countries there rental sites aimed at naive foreigners and charging 'gringo' prices while the locals pay significantly less. Could anyone with experience renting in Jakarta comment? I'm looking for something cheap, nothing fancy, but not filthy or in a dangerous area. What should I be paying? Feel free to PM me if you're so inclined. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1311705]I might be moved to Jakarta for work and may not be provided with housing, so I've been checking apartment prices and am a bit shocked at how high rent is there. I'm finding most apartments priced from 1300usd on up to 5000usd! I was expecting prices similar to Bangkok. Now I know in a lot of countries there rental sites aimed at naive foreigners and charging 'gringo' prices while the locals pay significantly less. Could anyone with experience renting in Jakarta comment? I'm looking for something cheap, nothing fancy, but not filthy or in a dangerous area. What should I be paying? Feel free to PM me if you're so inclined. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]To Satyr23,

I am not sure which area of Jarkata you are looking at you should be able to get a studio apartment outside the city center for less than 7 Mil RP a month, Condo in Jarkata are cheaper than in Bangkok you should ask for help by Local co worker for help don't go to real estate agent they will find all the high price condo for you to get more comissions.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1311705]I might be moved to Jakarta for work and may not be provided with housing, so I've been checking apartment prices and am a bit shocked at how high rent is there. I'm finding most apartments priced from 1300usd on up to 5000usd! I was expecting prices similar to Bangkok. Now I know in a lot of countries there rental sites aimed at naive foreigners and charging 'gringo' prices while the locals pay significantly less. Could anyone with experience renting in Jakarta comment? I'm looking for something cheap, nothing fancy, but not filthy or in a dangerous area. What should I be paying? Feel free to PM me if you're so inclined. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Welcome to jakarta Satyr23 if you might move to jakarta. I am native here and the price which you got from 1300usd to 5000usd is possible. It is depend which area are you looking for.

Are you looking for a long term apartment or short term? You can try apartment around "kemayoran" or "MOI kelapa gading". They are safe and clean and have a decent price too.

By the way don't your company arrange one for you?

Good luck

[QUOTE=Simple Aja; 1311816]Welcome to jakarta Satyr23 if you might move to jakarta. I am native here and the price which you got from 1300usd to 5000usd is possible. It is depend which area are you looking for.

Are you looking for a long term apartment or short term? You can try apartment around "kemayoran" or "MOI kelapa gading". They are safe and clean and have a decent price too.

By the way don't your company arrange one for you?

Good luck[/QUOTE]It's complicated with the company. Looking for long term. A year lease. Thanks, I'll check those areas out.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1311764]To Satyr23,

I am not sure which area of Jarkata you are looking at you should be able to get a studio apartment outside the city center for less than 7 Mil RP a month, Condo in Jarkata are cheaper than in Bangkok you should ask for help by Local co worker for help don't go to real estate agent they will find all the high price condo for you to get more comissions.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Nice! Thanks, that price is more like it. Sounds like good advice.

Gentlemen,

Any knowledge on Tara Lee and / or Ayuko (both can be found on SEA)? I'm planning to meet one of them but, before that, would like to know if anybody met them before and how was it.

If anybody has any good info, please, share (before I take one for the team).

Thanks and cheers.

Sauro

All,

I am in touch with a DIA gal who works at the Ritz Carlton, Jakarta.

She has told me things like. She will meet me and decide if she wants to sleep with me or not, she has been with 20 odd men in the past, she does not "charge" anything for sleeping with folks but they usually pay her in some way, etc.

I know her real name, designation at the hotel, cell phone number since we chat on WhatsApp, etc.

Since many of you here have had fun encounters with DIA gals. I want to check if anyone here has met this one that I am describing? It would be my first time and do not want to waste time if she is not worth it in any way. Hence asking for more info here if you are one of those lucky 20 men from her past.

I can certainly say that she looks cute and hot.

The only other thing that she has left me in limbo on is her deciding about sleeping with me after meeting up. Do not have precious minutes to waste and get myself interviewed for sex at a place like this but also do not want to pass up a real non-pro gem, you know what I mean!

From chatting she seems like a hard working and nice gal who is just out to have some fun in life. Of course you can never say anything for sure about anyone. Esp. Girls!

Let your feedback pour in.

Rbamane.

I dated two different gals from the Ritz. Can't say for sure that you are describing either because there are lots of women that work there and you didn't give much in the way of specifics. Both were non-pros and I had a good time. One was a receptionist and one was a supervisor, but I can't remember of what. The one that was a receptionist was finishing up her university and didn't have alot of time to hang out between work, school and going home practically every weekend. The other one was high maintenance. Who knows, it may be neither and you may have a diamond. Good luck.

Oh, it might not even be the same Ritz. There are two in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1314372]All,

I am in touch with a DIA gal who works at the Ritz Carlton, Jakarta.

She has told me things like. She will meet me and decide if she wants to sleep with me or not, she has been with 20 odd men in the past, she does not "charge" anything for sleeping with folks but they usually pay her in some way, etc.

I know her real name, designation at the hotel, cell phone number since we chat on WhatsApp, etc.

Since many of you here have had fun encounters with DIA gals. I want to check if anyone here has met this one that I am describing? It would be my first time and do not want to waste time if she is not worth it in any way. Hence asking for more info here if you are one of those lucky 20 men from her past.

I can certainly say that she looks cute and hot.

The only other thing that she has left me in limbo on is her deciding about sleeping with me after meeting up. Do not have precious minutes to waste and get myself interviewed for sex at a place like this but also do not want to pass up a real non-pro gem, you know what I mean!

From chatting she seems like a hard working and nice gal who is just out to have some fun in life. Of course you can never say anything for sure about anyone. Esp. Girls!

Let your feedback pour in.[/QUOTE]I have dated a two girls I met through an internet site, My experience has been, they will hound you more than the P4P girls, I mean hound you, BBM you to, SMS you every 15 minutes, even when you're in a meeting and have explained you cannot answer beforehand. Then good luck getting her to leave your room in the morning.

The two I spent a minute or two with wanted to go eat the brunch at Shangra-La hotel or the Mandarin, I had no problem however, I have a steady lady at home and when on the road am all about maximizing my experience!

I even explained before hand, you need to get out of here by 0830, as my work day starts. One fussed and complained and stormed off, only to sms me 30 minutes later asking to come back the next evening.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1314372]All,

I am in touch with a DIA gal who works at the Ritz Carlton, Jakarta.

She has told me things like. She will meet me and decide if she wants to sleep with me or not, she has been with 20 odd men in the past, she does not "charge" anything for sleeping with folks but they usually pay her in some way, etc.

I know her real name, designation at the hotel, cell phone number since we chat on WhatsApp, etc.

Since many of you here have had fun encounters with DIA gals. I want to check if anyone here has met this one that I am describing? It would be my first time and do not want to waste time if she is not worth it in any way. Hence asking for more info here if you are one of those lucky 20 men from her past.

I can certainly say that she looks cute and hot.

The only other thing that she has left me in limbo on is her deciding about sleeping with me after meeting up. Do not have precious minutes to waste and get myself interviewed for sex at a place like this but also do not want to pass up a real non-pro gem, you know what I mean!

From chatting she seems like a hard working and nice gal who is just out to have some fun in life. Of course you can never say anything for sure about anyone. Esp. Girls!

Let your feedback pour in.[/QUOTE]I have been dating quite a lot of girls from various datingsites (incl DIA ofcourse) mostly in Thailand and China but I guess this does not prevent me from commenting on your upcomming date in jakarta Indonesia.

I have had simular approaches earlier but I did not go through with them. If I am about to be interviewed upfront for sleeping with me then it is a no go or a turn off for me. These girls (simular setting) I consider to be somewhat semi p4p and NOT non p4p. But this is just my meaning.

My ideal setup with datingsites girls is that we don't talk about coming events as sexual encounters and so on. We take it as it comes. And I feel my rate of success is fairly good without having discussed the matter of sex beforhand. That is for me an ideal setting for meeting a non pro girl. If they are non pro the word money will never be mentioned (yes I know we guys at some point have to pay for it if we like it or not, hehe). Without making this a big issue I feel your girl (20 guys before you) have crossed the line of a professional working girl. At best her feet crosses the line having one foot in non pro and the other in pro. But she may be a stunner and she knows it so she would like to go through a certain screeningprocess before interacting because she knows she can choose.

I don't, in any way, try to make you feel discomfort or anything. If she is hot go through with the interview, be accepted and fuck her brains out. Give her whatever you feel is appropriate in line of gift, money or whatever. You can also try to give her nothing. That, atleast in my book, devides non pro from pro girls.

LOL. Lucky you. .

Anyways, I don't care about them hounding me because I am not a white man. They would likely do me a wham bam thank you man thingy, but I do not mind keeping in touch with them with a few msgs a month. Lets see. But thanks for the heads up!

[QUOTE=Monte3; 1314740]I have dated a two girls I met through an internet site, My experience has been, they will hound you more than the P4P girls, I mean hound you, BBM you to, SMS you every 15 minutes, even when you're in a meeting and have explained you cannot answer beforehand. Then good luck getting her to leave your room in the morning.

The two I spent a minute or two with wanted to go eat the brunch at Shangra-La hotel or the Mandarin, I had no problem however, I have a steady lady at home and when on the road am all about maximizing my experience!

I even explained before hand, you need to get out of here by 0830, as my work day starts. One fussed and complained and stormed off, only to sms me 30 minutes later asking to come back the next evening.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1314852]LOL. Lucky you. .

Anyways, I don't care about them hounding me because I am not a white man. They would likely do me a wham bam thank you man thingy, but I do not mind keeping in touch with them with a few msgs a month. Lets see. But thanks for the heads up![/QUOTE]May I ask what difference it makes whether you are a white man or not?

There's no doubt the online girls are more clingy and will hound you more. I avoid them because I have too soft a heart to listen to them cry. I prefer the hard core hookers where they know it's a business transaction.

[QUOTE=Monte3; 1314740]The two I spent a minute or two with wanted to go eat the brunch at Shangra-La hotel or the Mandarin.

I even explained before hand, you need to get out of here by 0830, as my work day starts. One fussed and complained and stormed off, only to sms me 30 minutes later asking to come back the next evening.[/QUOTE]Asking to eat / drink / stay / do anything at Shangrila, and it is likely they are P4P in disguise. They probably spend more time at BATS in the hotel than you'd care to know!

I've only been asked a few times why I'm not staying at Shangrila, and it gave the game away pretty quick.

That said, they usually are trying to bolt out of the room ASAP these days. But the actions when kicked out are in line with P4P I. E. I didn't win this morning, so I'll try my luck tonight, or whenever. If I don't find a bigger payer first!

[QUOTE=Hung Man 1808; 1315122]Asking to eat / drink / stay / do anything at Shangrila, and it is likely they are P4P in disguise. They probably spend more time at BATS in the hotel than you'd care to know!

I've only been asked a few times why I'm not staying at Shangrila, and it gave the game away pretty quick.

That said, they usually are trying to bolt out of the room ASAP these days. But the actions when kicked out are in line with P4P I. E. I didn't win this morning, so I'll try my luck tonight, or whenever. If I don't find a bigger payer first![/QUOTE]Good call. Not many "nice" girls in Jakarta would be asking to go to Shangri-La. They are likely hard core hookers running a scam on the dating sites trying to get more than just the 1 million or so they could get for one night of sex by finding a long distance sponsor. Either that, or they think they are getting too old for hooking anymore and want to find someone to be their permanent sponsor / husband from now on. I still like to make sure the girl knows it's nothing more than a business transaction and pay them each time rather than going the date site route.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1311520]Folks, so I have been in touch with a couple of DIA gals from Jakarta.

One of them just cracked me up when chatting with her on WhatsApp. Here's what it is. She only enjoys giving BBBJ a little, but no CIM. Doggy is her favorite part. And she has big assets (according to her) , face looks on in a picture I saw of her. And the best part. She brought up the money topic in the conversation and on being asked how much she expects, she said that she wants 2 million IDR for over night (LT) and about 800K-1 million IDR for ST.

When I told her its kinda high. She tells me that this is the normal rate.

Now this gal is only a care-taker of an apartment complex, not a hifi model of any sort! So I did not expect these rates, esp. After knowing the pro-prices at Classic, TopGun LT, etc.

Any advice from fellas here? Should I bargain for a lower one telling her of the reality I know or just dump her before I meet her or what?

Any tips are welcome. At this moment, I am only amused!

PS: She knows I am from the US of A.[/QUOTE]Bro, that is way too high unless she is a superstar. I would say less than 500K for ST and less than 700K for LT. Why pre-book your girl. Just go to Block M and check out the chemistry yourself.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1314860]May I ask what difference it makes whether you are a white man or not?[/QUOTE]I believe that the girls think that white men are rich and can be their sugar daddies, whereas a brown skin man is usually not the rich kinds and may just be a business transaction, not the LT sugar daddy! Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1314845]I have been dating quite a lot of girls from various datingsites (incl DIA ofcourse) mostly in Thailand and China but I guess this does not prevent me from commenting on your upcomming date in jakarta Indonesia.

I don't, in any way, try to make you feel discomfort or anything. If she is hot go through with the interview, be accepted and fuck her brains out. Give her whatever you feel is appropriate in line of gift, money or whatever. You can also try to give her nothing. That, atleast in my book, devides non pro from pro girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I think I will go with her. Initially I tried talking dirty to her but she found it boring, so now I chat with her as if she were my casual gf. And she likes that. Just general stuff about her work, my work, life, etc. And so on. And I of course drop hints at how well I'd love to treat her when she is with me. Folks who have read about my BKK fiasco know how I treated a Baccara gal like a gff. It was an experience.

[QUOTE=Yomama99;1315176]Bro, that is way too high unless she is a superstar. I would say less than 500K for ST and less than 700K for LT. Why pre-book your girl. Just go to Block M and check out the chemistry yourself.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I don't think I am going to use her services. Because I now know that I have options.

[QUOTE=Rbamane;1315228]I believe that the girls think that white men are rich and can be their sugar daddies, whereas a brown skin man is usually not the rich kinds and may just be a business transaction, not the LT sugar daddy! Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]I don't really think it has anything to do with skin color. An American black man is perceived as about the same as an American white man in Jakarta and Thailand. And white guys are not their preference most of the time. They normally prefer a rich Chinese or Japanese guy first.

I do notice in Thailand that they will ban Indians, Arabs and African Blacks from the bars telling them "members only". But that's not really racism as much as a logical business decision based on experiences with those types of customers in the past. I do think a bit of that goes on in Jakarta as well on a personal level with the girls, but not as much as in Thailand. Once those bars / girls find out a black guy is American, they accept him with open arms, so it has nothing to do with skin color. It's all about culture and how different people are perceived who come from different cultures. And the perception of the types who get banned from the bars in Thailand is that they are normally cheap and / or rude. (at least that's what I've been told by the Thai girls) I'm not agreeing with it or saying it's right, but it happens. I actually think being arabic in Jakarta is an advantage with most of the girls.

I've never seen anyone get banned from any bar in Jakarta though other than the "Japanese Only" bars. But I have no problem with that. I don't want to go to those bars anyway.

[QUOTE=Rbamane;1315228]I believe that the girls think that white men are rich and can be their sugar daddies, whereas a brown skin man is usually not the rich kinds and may just be a business transaction, not the LT sugar daddy! Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Well, maybe. But I knew a bunch of girls in one of the economy apartment blocks near Tanah Abang, most of them did the Blok M clubs in the evenings. But they called one of the girls in the group "Ibu Non-Blok", because she was popular with Africans, Arabs, Pakistanis, and other guys from the "non-block" nations. Quite fat, big tits, big arse. I suppose she did the smart thing and deployed her assets, such as they were, where they had the most value. A few others were known to have a knack with the Japanese. And then there are a whole bunch of girls who won't go near the Bules, but like to serve the local Chinese market. So, I don't really buy this idea that it's all focussed on serving Bules and everyone else gets sloppy seconds. Different girls work different market segments, just find the ones that are a match for you.

Oh, and a lot of the girls are sophisticated enough to draw a distinction between a local Chinese and an Australian or an American from an Asian background, or something like that. I was chatting with a girl who had a UK bf from a Jamaican background, but she said she wouldn't go near an African (Nigerian, etc). The knowledge of geography actually seems considerably better than average than for the general Indonesian population.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1315262]Oh, and a lot of the girls are sophisticated enough to draw a distinction between a local Chinese and an Australian or an American from an Asian background, or something like that.[/QUOTE]Based on my favourite game to spice things up in the bar, I'm not so sure. Conversation goes like this:

Girl: Hello Mister.

Me: Hi,

Girl: Where you from?

Me: GUESS. :)

Even after dropping some hints, they often don't get it. Successful guess rate after five attempts is around 10, and some of those I suspect are blind luck. Anyone that knows me, would know picking up my accent to be a no brainer. Except in perhaps CJs. :)

[QUOTE=Hung Man 1808; 1315391]Based on my favourite game to spice things up in the bar, I'm not so sure. Conversation goes like this:

Girl: Hello Mister.

Me: Hi,

Girl: Where you from?

Me: GUESS. .

Even after dropping some hints, they often don't get it. Successful guess rate after five attempts is around 10, and some of those I suspect are blind luck. Anyone that knows me, would know picking up my accent to be a no brainer. Except in perhaps CJs. .[/QUOTE]But if you are a westerner, their guesses will be "America"?"England"?"Australia"? Etc. They won't be guessing India, Africa, Asia or the middle east.

Hi Bros,

Going to Jakarta again, usually stay at Mulia as its easy for hunting. I have my regulars there so I don't pay the normal high prices that other tourist pay.

This time Mulia seems to be full and I've been put up at Ibis Slipi. Seems like there is an Onyx bar there. Any action at this bar?

Spartan

[QUOTE=Spartan; 1316097]Hi Bros,

Going to Jakarta again, usually stay at Mulia as its easy for hunting. I have my regulars there so I don't pay the normal high prices that other tourist pay.

This time Mulia seems to be full and I've been put up at Ibis Slipi. Seems like there is an Onyx bar there. Any action at this bar?

Spartan[/QUOTE]Quite a downgrade from the Mulia to the Ibis. I don't know that Onyx bar.

But I'm curious, how much do you pay your "regulars" at CJ's?

Friends,

I will be flying into CGK from Batam on Lion Air and out to SIN on Air Asia.

Few questions.

1) Are these airlines pretty safe / how has been your experience on them if you did travel them?

2) Any tips to note while I travel on these, based on your experience?

3) What about Tiger Airways - they seem better than these, but is slightly expensive.

Thanks!

Answers embedded in quote. Enjoy Indonesia, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1316496]I will be flying into CGK from Batam on Lion Air and out to SIN on Air Asia. Few questions.

1) Are these airlines pretty safe / how has been your experience on them if you did travel them? AR: Very safe for both.

2) Any tips to note while I travel on these, based on your experience? AR: Allow 3 hours at least for transfer time between flights as these one-sector carriers are often late, especially with domestic flights. Also to allow time to pick up your luggage and get to the international terminal.

3) What about Tiger Airways. They seem better than these, but is slightly expensive. AR: No difference. I used Lion Air many times going between Singapore and Jakarta. Good airline at a great price.[/QUOTE]

AR. I am a fan of yours!

Your responses here are highly appreciated.

Thanks so much!

[QUOTE=Asian Rain;1316518]Answers embedded in quote. Enjoy Indonesia, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1316467]But I'm curious, how much do you pay your "regulars" at CJ's?[/QUOTE]Funny, I went to CJ's for the first time the other night to meet up with a gf, not a worker. I saw an old regular from Top Gun, she playfully hid her face behind her hands and made a show of pretending not to see me (then smiled to show no offence meant). I think she was trying to tell me that she was out there looking for more money than she knew I'd spend on her, that she didn't want Top Gun rates that night. Haha. Good luck to her, hope she found someone with a fat wallet for her Lebaran bonus. As I said, I was with a friend, so I never got to find what prices the girls are charging. But Jeez, a glass of wine is Rp165, 00. You could get ST for two of those at Blok M. I'm way too tight fisted to become a regular there.

EDIT: She did the playful face when I was still at the bar on my own. Of course, if I was with the girl I was meeting, she would have been professional and discreet. Indonesian working girls, to give them credit, are pretty good about knowing when to butt out and keep a low profile. Experts at keeping quiet when you're on the phone to someone else, for example.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1316496]Friends,

I will be flying into CGK from Batam on Lion Air and out to SIN on Air Asia.

Few questions.

1) Are these airlines pretty safe / how has been your experience on them if you did travel them?

2) Any tips to note while I travel on these, based on your experience?

3) What about Tiger Airways. They seem better than these, but is slightly expensive.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Hi,

I concur with this. Budget airlines are cheap and reliable. No need to pay the SQ / GA infamous rates to go to or leave CGK.

I would add that, when I manage to get a decent rate, I prefer to take Air Asia, which has its own terminal which is brand new, less crowded and more efficient.

Arriving in or leaving from the "normal" terminal (#2 for most airlines, thai, sq, ga.) can really be a pain. You can be facing lines at immigration that can take up to one hour. Am not joking. If your flight arrives at the same time as one loaded with foreigners who need visa on arrival, especially Chinese (PRC) , japanese, koreans, who, take longer to clear in general, for some reasons unknown to me if not just with the language bareer. Same goes with departure process, which is most of the time quite annoying at T2.

To be completely thorough, two things about Lion Air :

- one positive : the stewardesses rock! I found Lion Air to have the prettiest in general. Other airlines have apparently lower hiring standards. Although nothing to be compared with our European or US airlines, where age does matter!

- one more negative : lots of Indo people still talk about the one or few case (s) where Lion Air pilots were caught positive on metamphetamine or a similar drug, this being blamed on the very pressuring flight schedules imposed by their sophisticated model. Have no idea if this is a legend or not.

Last, on some destinations, and that goes for Jakarta too, compare extensively with flag carriers. Jakarta-KL seems to be a very competitive route, and sometimes Malaysia Airlines is cheaper than others, if you add up prices for extra luggage, or meals and drinks. And you get miles on all Skyteam programmes for most of the tickets.

Hope this helps

FT

[QUOTE=Spartan; 1316097]Hi Bros,

Going to Jakarta again, usually stay at Mulia as its easy for hunting. I have my regulars there so I don't pay the normal high prices that other tourist pay.

This time Mulia seems to be full and I've been put up at Ibis Slipi. Seems like there is an Onyx bar there. Any action at this bar?

Spartan[/QUOTE]The Onyx bar is a small bar. Sometimes there are FL there and I have used their services whin I was attracted.

The bar is not a regular hunting ground; mostly for hotel guests, but there is the occasional live band.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1316496]Friends,

I will be flying into CGK from Batam on Lion Air and out to SIN on Air Asia.

Few questions.

1) Are these airlines pretty safe / how has been your experience on them if you did travel them?

2) Any tips to note while I travel on these, based on your experience?

3) What about Tiger Airways. They seem better than these, but is slightly expensive.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I fly a lot with Airasia with no problems whatsoever. About 50 legs so far. Make sure you book your meal, baggage and your preffered seat in advance. Also do the online check in.

Tiger air I flew twice where Airasia was not flying eg Saigon to Singapore. Again no problems, Simply book your baggage when making the reservation otherwise you"ll have to pay very high charges at the airport.

Lion air I never had the chance to use them.

All those who replied about the flights on the low cost carriers to CGK. Thanks a lot!

It feels good to hear that there are frequent travelers on those routes / airplanes from our community.

Cannot wait to be on that plane now.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1316496]Friends,

I will be flying into CGK from Batam on Lion Air and out to SIN on Air Asia.

Few questions.

1) Are these airlines pretty safe / how has been your experience on them if you did travel them?

2) Any tips to note while I travel on these, based on your experience?

3) What about Tiger Airways. They seem better than these, but is slightly expensive.

Thanks![/QUOTE]To Rbamand,

I fly Lion air last yr from CGK to Batam they have 4 flight a day about 45 USD one way on time no problem and from Batam you just take the fast Ferry to Harbur front in Singapore about one hr.

Fast Eddie 48

Hi been in country for a couple of weeks and so much to understand about this country. Do not count my posts as I was a member under a different name previously. (Never use an e-mail address for a screen name! LOL) Hope to get a tour with JAD in the next couple of months. Work is crazy right now (oil). I am looking for a few numbers if any senior member can pm me. Sorry just so busy right now so hoping you can help a fellow member. I am in Cilandak near PIM.

A field report:

BATS-walk in and get followed by so many skirts. Picked a 22 yo that was 4'9" and maybe 80 pounds. Over priced but was cute. Asked for a million and over paid at 600, 000 plus tip. I rocked her world but was not impressed with her skills. BATS is got to be the easiest place to pick-up here as over half the girls are on the take. I have yet to try block m or any of the other places listed here.

So begging guys. Pm me with any information!

[QUOTE=El Greco; 1317237]I fly a lot with Airasia with no problems whatsoever. About 50 legs so far. Make sure you book your meal, baggage and your preffered seat in advance. Also do the online check in.

Tiger air I flew twice where Airasia was not flying eg Saigon to Singapore. Again no problems, Simply book your baggage when making the reservation otherwise you"ll have to pay very high charges at the airport.

Lion air I never had the chance to use them.[/QUOTE]Air Asia is fine if you for sure are not going to change your flight plans. I prefer Lion Air because if my plans change, I can change the flight dates with no extra cost. Air Asia is a nicer airline, but you pretty much have to buy a new ticket if you change your plans. I've never flown Tiger, but did buy my girlfriend a ticket on it once. $70 round trip Jakarta to Singapore on Tiger at the time (last year). And she said it was as good as Air Asia.

I was thinking of visting the city in Jan for a couple of nights and am struggling to find recent intel on cheap, girl-friendly hotels or guest houses like I have stayed in Cambodia & Thailand in the past. Price-wise I was thinking about USD$30 per night max for 2-3 star quality with en-suite & a / see. Hope someone can help.

DL

[QUOTE=Donnylad; 1317615]I was thinking of visting the city in Jan for a couple of nights and am struggling to find recent intel on cheap, girl-friendly hotels or guest houses like I have stayed in Cambodia & Thailand in the past. Price-wise I was thinking about USD$30 per night max for 2-3 star quality with en-suite & a / see. Hope someone can help.

DL[/QUOTE]To Donnylad,

There are a Jarkata hotel thread you can go to get more info just search and you shall find, all the info are there for you ro read.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Donnylad;1317615]I was thinking of visting the city in Jan for a couple of nights and am struggling to find recent intel on cheap, girl-friendly hotels or guest houses like I have stayed in Cambodia & Thailand in the past. Price-wise I was thinking about USD$30 per night max for 2-3 star quality with en-suite & a / see. Hope someone can help.[/QUOTE]Some of the places on Jaksa might serve, although none of them are really much good. Djody's Guest House is not too bad, Nick's is a flea-bag, so is Borneo. I only use those places when I pick up a girl in Jaksa who even I would be embarrassed to take back to my apartment, and I usually end up paying for the night but leaving after I've done what I need to do and go home. Many of the other cheapies on Jaksa discourage tourists checking in with obvious hookers, although if she's a "girl-friend" (ie. You actually check in together) , they may not kick up a fuss. Still, quite unlike quality hotels, who usually don't give a shit, they worry about hookers bringing the tone down. For about double what you mention, there are a few hotels on Wahid Hasyim that might be a bit better. I don't know if F1 is girl-tolerant, seems likely, I've never used it. Jakarta is generally not good for what you want, though. It's more geared towards expats and visitors with some cash to spend. Jogja and Bali and practically anywhere else in Indonesia, except the more Islamic provinces (Aceh, West Sumatra, some of the Nusa Tenggara islands) , are much better. Hotel Travel is inconveniently located for tourists, but will tolerate anything so long as you don't stain the sheets. There are a few other places that are pretty explicitly short-time hotels, often used for nookie with someone else's wife, but most of them aren't really designed for anything except that single purpose.

EDIT: The other thing about the cheap Jaksa places is that even a self-respecting Blok M girl would probably turn up her nose and sneer at you if you tried to take her there, let alone anything classier than that. They are really only good if you pull a girl on Jaksa itself. The girls on Jaksa range from grim to just ok, with the ones in the latter group usually being left-overs from Blok M and the clubs - ie. the ones who can't always get a guy, so they go to Jaksa for a last-chance shot or a consoling drink. Nicks actually has a dorm with a nightly charge that some girls use when they are really down on their luck, but you are talking the bottom of the barrel, bar the railway lines.

DOUBLE EDIT: Forget the advice about Hotel Travel, it's just a knocking shop, not a real hotel. I'm getting it mixed up with the one near Utan Kayu, forget the name ... don't worry about it anyway, a bad choice, filled with Arabs, extremely shady characters, and Mamasans pushing girls who should be at primary school ... lousy vibe, dangerous, and uncool.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1317334]Air Asia is fine if you for sure are not going to change your flight plans. I prefer Lion Air because if my plans change, I can change the flight dates with no extra cost. Air Asia is a nicer airline, but you pretty much have to buy a new ticket if you change your plans. I've never flown Tiger, but did buy my girlfriend a ticket on it once. $70 round trip Jakarta to Singapore on Tiger at the time (last year). And she said it was as good as Air Asia.[/QUOTE]Being a retiree I can easily plan ahead 3-6 months therefore always going after their promos. Even if I miss a flight, which has happened, is not a big deal. Only a few hundred baht.

I remember a few years back they had a zero fare promo. I booked several flights going around SE Asia. Eg Jakarta to Singapore not even a penny was charged since airport tax is payable in cash on departure. I paid nothing flying to Pnom Penh from Bangkok and I had to pay 7 dollars for the taxi ride to my hotel. I was thinking of that and was laughing.
Those days have gone now but still their promos are cheap. Eg BKK to Chang Rai for 7 euros and returning from Chang Mai for 8 euros, or round trip to Surathani on my way to Koh Samui for 17 euros. Just peanuts.

I book the extras a few days before my flight when I am certain that I am going to fly.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1316467]Quite a downgrade from the Mulia to the Ibis. I don't know that Onyx bar.

But I'm curious, how much do you pay your "regulars" at CJ's?[/QUOTE]Usually pay 600k for LT, only for the few that I like. The rest are waiting to take you to the bank. 1 mil for ST. Crazy. Yet people still pay. Go figure.

Reading reports it seems that the malls have dried up in south and central Jakarta. It is the end of the holiday and was in Pacific place yesterday. Mall was not it's usual business. I am an attractive 40yr old. (If I say so myself! LOL) I only noticed one overt stare. I could feel her looking and did not want to turn around for the stare. She was cute but not really one to be interested. Been to a lot of the malls and do not know if it is the holiday but really nothing there.

Went to CITOS today and really got nothing. I really would like one of the shop girls in the stores with the black skirts and high heels! Will try block m this weekend. That is 3 days away!

Called a couple agencies and they are asking 2 mill and up for short time. Was tempted but turned them down. Anyone with experience using them?

With high hopes I boarded the plane from Bangkok to Jakarta this evening. Have heard so much nice stories of BATS so decided to fly down to have a go. What happens? It is fucking closed. What do I do then. Just write this report and go to bed I guess.

Tomorrow I go to Philippines to see what is cooking over there. Probably closed down the hole country I guess. Skogis angry.

But I have to say Indonesia do have some beautiful women. I was getting my hopes up allready during the flight so stunning beautiful cabincrew. Delishes.

I have told myself as long as I am in Asia I will not wank but I am not sure right now have to ease the pressure but would appreciate to have a girl helping me. NB! There will be no pics from this action, hehe.

[QUOTE=WTF0506; 1317331]Hi been in country for a couple of weeks and so much to understand about this country. Do not count my posts as I was a member under a different name previously. (Never use an e-mail address for a screen name! LOL) Hope to get a tour with JAD in the next couple of months. Work is crazy right now (oil). I am looking for a few numbers if any senior member can pm me. Sorry just so busy right now so hoping you can help a fellow member. I am in Cilandak near PIM.

A field report:

BATS-walk in and get followed by so many skirts. Picked a 22 yo that was 4'9" and maybe 80 pounds. Over priced but was cute. Asked for a million and over paid at 600, 000 plus tip. I rocked her world but was not impressed with her skills. BATS is got to be the easiest place to pick-up here as over half the girls are on the take. I have yet to try block m or any of the other places listed here.

So begging guys. Pm me with any information![/QUOTE]Over half the girls are on the take? More like 99. 9, LOL.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman;1318119]Over half the girls are on the take? More like 99. 9, LOL.[/QUOTE]Those figures imply that there are around 1000 girls in BATS, and only one of them isn't on the take. That sounds about right.

So. Senior members would skin me for this. Yep blue balls and did an online order from a website (Jakarta top). Cost way above market rate (but did talk them down) Girl delivered and she was stunning! 36C on a 5'2" frame of 90 pounds. Easily one of the best looking girl I have been with. Not a fully active partner but there is something to be said about just grabbing and doing! Dine at the Y and she had started with the fake moaning. I do have a few skills and there was some definite surprise on her part.

Short time was one pop. She said that and I took off the kid gloves for a hard pounding. She was here about 2 hours.

Rating:

Face: 10+

Body: 9. 9.

Boobies: 10+

Attitude: 5.

Skills: 5.

BJ: NO!

Repeat? No. Maybe. It would have to be another bad case. I think we all have been there before. Well except Asian rain and west coast.

Face and boobs 10+ and Body 9. 9? I've lived in Jakarta over 10 years and never met an Indonesian girl who qualified for scores that high. I can only imagine this Indonesian Aphrodite.

How about some photos?

Yes these photos are touched up. But Yuni is way better then the photo shown. Price is way too high but nice eye candy. You do all the work.

[url]http://jakartatopescort.com/[/url]

I like that Yuni. That's my type of girl. I'd like to see some photos that are non-glamour shots. But she looks good in those. Great tits.

I met a girl a while ago from dateinasia who used a glamour shot for her pic. She looked stunning in the photo. When I met her in person, she wasn't even decent looking. I could tell it was the same girl from the photo, but it wasn't easy to figure that out. They worked wonders with those photos. So I shy away from any girl who posts glamour shots on her profile now.

I'll take your word for it that she is hot, but it would be very nice to see a "normal" photo. Preferably naked. LOL!

Are you in Jakarta?

I also have met those from DIA and the pro photo shoots. If it looks too good to be true. It most likely is. Give yourself an out if she shows up and is a bit rough. LOL

[QUOTE=PattayaTony;1308754]Jakartas extremely dangerous, hotels are not value for money, immigration staff at airport hassle western travellers, I've been to jakarta once and couldn't stomach the place and left after 3 days, but can easily handle Thailand no pompem![/QUOTE]Hi guys, I'm a newbie (well, just reactivated and mostly a reader not a poster). But Tony, you must be joking. Pattaya less dangerous than Jakarta? Seriously the dangers in Pattaya are beyond the regular BS. Nights out mongering are generally fueled by more than a few pints or shots of whiskey. The dangers thus, of ending up with someone who used to be a guy or some sexy babe who still maintains her male organ are way, way, way greater in Pattaya than in Jakarta. I've got nothing against that, just in case it is your cup of tea. Just that I'd rather be comfortable in knowing I'm in a place where that option usually doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1308745]So taking in consideration my needs and that I would go for two weeks, first time traveler to Asia. What would you think guy would be better choice?[/QUOTE]For a first time traveler to Asia visiting for 2 weeks, there is no question at all which is the better choice. Thailand all the way.

[QUOTE=Kelong Jimmy;1320359]Hi guys, I'm a newbie (well, just reactivated and mostly a reader not a poster). But Tony, you must be joking. Pattaya less dangerous than Jakarta? Seriously the dangers in Pattaya are beyond the regular BS. Nights out mongering are generally fueled by more than a few pints or shots of whiskey. The dangers thus, of ending up with someone who used to be a guy or some sexy babe who still maintains her male organ are way, way, way greater in Pattaya than in Jakarta. I've got nothing against that, just in case it is your cup of tea. Just that I'd rather be comfortable in knowing I'm in a place where that option usually doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]Well, KJ, Jakarta is not exactly free of the specific danger you mention. Watch out for particularly tall girls with adam's apples, is all I can say. I'm glad to say that some of the clubs on Blok M have an explicit policy of banning waria (shemales) and that the real girls will turn them in. Top Gun, for example, has that policy. Stadium is much less picky. Not only are shemales not what most right-thinking mongers are looking for (As a friend of mine said, there's enough real girls willing to do whatever you want, so why would you bother?), but a lot of them are total criminals and will put drugs in your drink and pick your pockets or take you somewhere for further processing. If you have much experience, you can spot them and avoid them, but I've seen them hit on guys who don't seem to be able to tell.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1320449]Well, KJ, Jakarta is not exactly free of the specific danger you mention. Watch out for particularly tall girls with adam's apples, is all I can say. I'm glad to say that some of the clubs on Blok M have an explicit policy of banning waria (shemales) and that the real girls will turn them in. Top Gun, for example, has that policy. Stadium is much less picky. Not only are shemales not what most right-thinking mongers are looking for (As a friend of mine said, there's enough real girls willing to do whatever you want, so why would you bother?), but a lot of them are total criminals and will put drugs in your drink and pick your pockets or take you somewhere for further processing. If you have much experience, you can spot them and avoid them, but I've seen them hit on guys who don't seem to be able to tell.[/QUOTE]My Bar at Blok M used to have a shemale who frequented there that was the best looking shemale I've ever seen in Indonesia. I wouldn't even have known it if one of the girls I'd known for years hadn't told me. Each night, that shemale invariably would be making out with a different young, good looking white guy who came to the bar that night. I now see that same shemale on dateinasia, but at least the ad does specify that it is a shemale.

I think Jakarta is more dangerous because in Thailand you are on the lookout for it. In Jakarta it's easier to have your guard down.

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1320499]My Bar at Blok M used to have a shemale who frequented there that was the best looking shemale I've ever seen in Indonesia. I wouldn't even have known it if one of the girls I'd known for years hadn't told me. Each night, that shemale invariably would be making out with a different young, good looking white guy who came to the bar that night. I now see that same shemale on dateinasia, but at least the ad does specify that it is a shemale.

I think Jakarta is more dangerous because in Thailand you are on the lookout for it. In Jakarta it's easier to have your guard down.[/QUOTE]I believe most men (but not all) who get fooled want to be fooled. If a person can't tell by looking them over, surely the voice would be a give away. I saw a cute bartender in Chiang Mai years ago. Went up and ordered a drink. Voice sounds like Charles Bronson. Okay there's the clue. Anyway, I think spotting them is seldom the problem. The main problem is that they can be very aggressive evn after you've made it clear you're not interested. They can act like some African women in Dubai where "no" doesn't seem to mean "no." Thankfully, most I have seen in Jakarta are banging on taxi windows but upon entering a bar you are protected by the banci force field. Even still, be a little bit on your gaurd and if there is any question disengage. Smoothy, did you ever hear the person's voice?

A Tiny report with some reflections, spent two days in Jakarta and did end up taking zero (o) girls and had a so-so time.

BATS at the Shangri-La: a medium sized hotel pub with cover band, this bar reminded me of an American Sports Bar. Customers seems to be mostly expats, many men in suits but also women. When I visited there were maybe 10 freelancing girls on the premises, quality 4-7, I flirted with a a pretty classy woman, MILF type 35-45 years old perhaps, I bought her a drink and for that she let me cuddle and kiss her, pretty nice but didn't feel like taking her she was asking for big money, smoked a lot, was sweating a lot (menopause?) and I wanted to move on. Like most places in Jakarta nearly all girls smoke cigarettes almost constantly which puts me off. Drinks are expensive and the service was not great, I am not used to pay entrance fee to a place like this. As you can hear I did not like this place.

CJ's at Mulia: I liked this better that BATS, a much posher place with more beautiful people in general, clientel seems to be rich beautiful welldressed people with some expats and working girls, quality 6-8. Music: a live band was really good when I was there and service was also good although expensive. Chatted with some not super attractive girls but never got the chance to chat with the really hot ones. Again: LOTS of cigarette smoke.

Classic Hotel: Well I did not get this hotel / establishment, I went to several different places in this hotel to find me some girls / sex, first the "stripclub" which was pretty boring, girls quality 3-6 then I went to the massage / spa which had no girls at all? Then up some floors to some KTV type place packed with loads of locals and cigarette smoke and SUPER loud music where the mamasan kept bringing me totally bored girls that could speak zero English, I did not like or understood what anyone said so I left unsatisfied.

I met a girl from Tagged. Com but I did not like her either hehe so all in all no luck in Jakarta. I did not like the city much either, I had not much time to explore but what I saw was not that nice and it was pretty difficult going places due to distances and traffic and almost non existent public transport.

I did not find Jakarta girls that attractive as I had come from Thailand and spent time in Phils before, where quality is higher and the whole nightlife scene is much more geared towards punters.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1320449]Well, KJ, Jakarta is not exactly free of the specific danger you mention. Watch out for particularly tall girls with adam's apples, is all I can say. I'm glad to say that some of the clubs on Blok M have an explicit policy of banning waria (shemales) and that the real girls will turn them in. Top Gun, for example, has that policy. Stadium is much less picky. Not only are shemales not what most right-thinking mongers are looking for (As a friend of mine said, there's enough real girls willing to do whatever you want, so why would you bother?), but a lot of them are total criminals and will put drugs in your drink and pick your pockets or take you somewhere for further processing. If you have much experience, you can spot them and avoid them, but I've seen them hit on guys who don't seem to be able to tell.[/QUOTE]Yep, I agree and at least I think the shemales are easier to spot in Jakarta because they're usually not in the same circles as the real girls or they simply look odd in there. I do spot them in a group sometimes with real girls at places like Dragonfly, but the numbers are usually 1 shemale to about 50 real girls. And yes, I've chatted with one before and could easily make it out from the voice and size of shoulders. When in doubt I always leave out.

And I never pick up in Stadium. Too much drugs. Live band on 2nd floor with the shows are sometimes good, that's about all I go there for.

[QUOTE=Wiild; 1320592]A Tiny report with some reflections, spent two days in Jakarta and did end up taking zero (o) girls and had a so-so time.

BATS at the Shangri-La:.

CJ's at Mulia:.

Classic Hotel:.

I met a girl from Tagged. Com.

I did not find Jakarta girls that attractive as I had come from Thailand and spent time in Phils before, where quality is higher and the whole nightlife scene is much more geared towards punters.[/QUOTE]Bro,

So sorry to hear such a sad story about your trip to Jakarta. I am guessing that you may not have read the forum to get a better feel and directions as to how to enjoy Jakarta. Unlike Thailand or Philippines where girls are all out in the open and available in numbers everywhere, Jakarta is somehow more secretive and is more about knowing the right places (its a huge city) and how to move around so as not only not waste your time but also, especially for short stays, optimise your monguering. You have certainly walked next to extremely hot places loaded with lovely girls without knowing it. Its a pity you did not call on JAD's services. I can assure you that you would have had a totally different experience.

BATS: its a typical hit or miss place, it can be excellent or real lousy. The girls move around several clubs and bars and hence depends where they went at any particular time. I lived for months in the Shangri La and had the opportunity to see how it goes on there. The main lesson for that bar is: get in, not too early, evaluate the place and move on if not much is happening. In that bar as well as in all other places, I did pick up real jewels at times.

CJ's Mulia: its one of the best pick-up spots of Jakarta, though a bit pricy. The girls there were (while I lived there) better than average elsewhere like BATS or Tiga Puluh. Again, sometimes you may find it hard to choose as there are so many stunning girls and sometimes there nothing worth to see or talk to. Same as for any place in Jakarta, if you don't find anything you like, move on.

Classic Hotel: I only discovered that place last year ... believe it or not, though I had lived in Jakarta before, and believe me, I do believe that its one of the best value for money places in Jakarta. Loads and loads of pretty and fresh girls, most of them willing to please you, read the posts of those who have been there and see their pictures taken there. I actually cursed myself for not having tried it long ago. I honestly do not understand how come you did not like it ... Maybe you did not go to the right place?

Tagged. Com: I notice that you met only ONE girl from there. Its like buying one lottery ticket in your life and expect to win the jackpot. I cannot count the gems that I had from Tagged. However, I had to talk and chat with dozens of them before getting a good hit. When I used to date them, some days I arranged up to 4 meetings with different girls in one day. The trick here is to play the numbers. Eventually, out of a certain number, you will definitely have a hit.

Lastly, Jakarta is a city that needs one to invest himself much more than in any other city, especially cities like Bangkok which receive you with open arms (and eventually wide open legs. Hehehe).

Jakarta is more secretive and is like a woman who likes to be seduced and kissed first before it admits you in her bed. Hence the tremendous advantage to have someone like JAD who has all the keys to all interesting doors.

For over 10 years I had travelled to Jakarta many times and barely got laid from time to time. It was not until I found this forum that things became really interesting. Today, though I have all the choices between the asian countries, Jakarta still remains my favorite.

Bottom line is, either you do your homework before you go there, or else, don't waste your time and go to Tahiland.

All the best of luck.

[QUOTE=Knight 1001; 1320722]Bro,

So sorry to hear such a sad story about your trip to Jakarta. I am guessing that you may not have read the forum to get a better feel and directions as to how to enjoy Jakarta. Unlike Thailand or Philippines where girls are all out in the open and available in numbers everywhere, Jakarta is somehow more secretive and is more about knowing the right places (its a huge city) and how to move around so as not only not waste your time but also, especially for short stays, optimise your monguering. You have certainly walked next to extremely hot places loaded with lovely girls without knowing it. Its a pity you did not call on JAD's services. I can assure you that you would have had a totally different experience.

For over 10 years I had travelled to Jakarta many times and barely got laid from time to time. It was not until I found this forum that things became really interesting. Today, though I have all the choices between the asian countries, Jakarta still remains my favorite.

Bottom line is, either you do your homework before you go there, or else, don't waste your time and go to Tahiland.

All the best of luck.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wiild; 1320592]A Tiny report with some reflections, spent two days in Jakarta and did end up taking zero (o) girls and had a so-so time.

I did not find Jakarta girls that attractive as I had come from Thailand and spent time in Phils before, where quality is higher and the whole nightlife scene is much more geared towards punters.[/QUOTE]My guess is you ended up in Jakarta at the worst time of the year, which is Ramadhan. When there is a possibility, best to postpone or bring forward your trip to two weeks before or two weeks after Ramadhan, if not a month either way. Been there during the Muslim fasting month three years ago. Thankfully on work as I would have cursed myself had I booked the trip and paid for it myself.

[QUOTE=Knight 1001; 1320722]Bro,

You may not have read the forum. You have certainly walked next to extremely hot places loaded with lovely girls without knowing it. Its a pity you did not call on JAD's services. I can assure you that you would have had a totally different experience. Jakarta is a city that needs one to invest himself much more than in any other city, Bottom line is, either you do your homework before you go there, or else, don't waste your time and go to Tahiland.

All the best of luck.[/QUOTE]Thanks Knight, no worries, it was not sad, it was an experience to have seen a new city. If I should be postive for a second, Jakarta nightlife somehow reminded me of Beijing, difficult, annoying, cryptic but if you score, you can score big and it is really satisfying. If I had found one special lady / had some good sex maybe I had been more happy and not so critical but my assessment now is that for a 2-7 day visit a normal traveller / tourist with an interest in sex have no major interest in Jakarta unless one has other businesses in town I certainly did read the forum and spent some time researching, I had a shortlist + map of 7 places but only visited 3 of them as distances were so big and taxis from the more expensive hotels were pretty expensive.

I did not find anything about this JAD, is it a forum-user or company?

What are "the extremely hot places loaded with lovely girls" that I missed without knowing it?

Classic: I went to the 3rd floor place with the many girls and super-loud music, I see that others liked this place but too me if was not nice at all when I visited, OK there were many slim girls but almost all of them looked like they did not want to be there + the mamasan was really pushy, not so nice to the girls nor me. I had big hopes for this place but did not like it at all.

A major issue for me about Jakarta in general was the cigarette smoke in the clubs and that the girls smoked so much + the hospitality was lower than all other Asian countries that I have visited, you simply did not feel that welcome to the country of in any of the establishments that I visited.

[QUOTE=Monkey Pig;1320555]I believe most men (but not all) who get fooled want to be fooled. If a person can't tell by looking them over, surely the voice would be a give away. I saw a cute bartender in Chiang Mai years ago. Went up and ordered a drink. Voice sounds like Charles Bronson. Okay there's the clue. Anyway, I think spotting them is seldom the problem. The main problem is that they can be very aggressive evn after you've made it clear you're not interested. They can act like some African women in Dubai where "no" doesn't seem to mean "no." Thankfully, most I have seen in Jakarta are banging on taxi windows but upon entering a bar you are protected by the banci force field. Even still, be a little bit on your gaurd and if there is any question disengage. Smoothy, did you ever hear the person's voice?[/QUOTE]Sure, I heard his / her's voice. Sounded a bit dicey. But one of the hottest girls I've ever met in Jakarta had a similar voice. A bit mannish sounding, but that girl was great in bed. She has 3 kids now and married an expat.

Trust me, that ladyboy at My Bar was pretty damn hot and not easy to tell it was a Ladyboy. Was there a shadow of doubt? Absolutely. But I have been with girls who have been tall and questionable in jakarta before who were all woman and great shags. I've been in Asia a long time and can normally pick the Lady boys out pretty easily. That one was an exception. Hell, I considered taking him / her home once until one of the girls in My Bar told me it was a Ladyboy who lived near her. I won't mention any names, but I know quite senior members of this forum who were fooled by lady boys in Jakarta and they had been around plenty. Scary stuff.

In my opinion, any guy who thinks it's impossible to get fooled by those ladyboys - HAS been fooled by them and just doesn't realize it.

Just keep your guard up gents. Indonesia doesn't have as many as Thailand, but the threat is out there.

[QUOTE=Knight 1001;1320722]So sorry to hear such a sad story about your trip to Jakarta.[/QUOTE]This quote seems so funny to me. To those of use who have lived there,"Sad" and "Jakarta" don't really belong in the same sentence.

Knight, are you back in town?

[QUOTE=Wiild;1320748]my assessment now is that for a 2-7 day visit a normal traveller / tourist with an interest in sex have no major interest in Jakarta unless one has other businesses in town.[/QUOTE]I agree with that. Jakarta is maybe the best place in the world for an expat to live, or for a long term visit, or for someone to visit who already did live there in the past. But for a newbie who isn't familiar with the city, Thailand and the Philippines are far better places to spend a week of mongering.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1320889]I agree with that. Jakarta is maybe the best place in the world for an expat to live, or for a long term visit, or for someone to visit who already did live there in the past. But for a newbie who isn't familiar with the city, Thailand and the Philippines are far better places to spend a week of mongering.[/QUOTE]Well as a ten year resident, Jakarta gave me a nice surprise a couple of nights ago. I called up one of my standby's, an occasional Blok M girl in her mid 20's, skilled at "empot empot ayam" technique. Anyway there I was sucking on a glass of red wine and I heard 2 voices approaching from the street. She had taken it upon herself to bring her 17 yr old neighbor, pretty face, ever so slightly chunky and with a trophy rack. This girl was curious about trying a "bule" and I was that guy.

After a vigorous 3 some we all crashed out and woke with the mosques and off they went.

Most mongering expats living here have similar stories, if not better. But for this 54 yr old Jakarta is a great place.

BTW as Smoothy has said about the Shemale in MyBar, is true and both she and a similar friend or hers would often lurk in Top Gun a bit earlier.

Each to their own.

[quote=wiild; 1320748]thanks knight, no worries, it was not sad, it was an experience to have seen a new city. if i should be postive for a second, jakarta nightlife somehow reminded me of beijing, difficult, annoying, cryptic but if you score, you can score big and it is really satisfying. if i had found one special lady / had some good sex maybe i had been more happy and not so critical but my assessment now is that for a 2-7 day visit a normal traveller / tourist with an interest in sex have no major interest in jakarta unless one has other businesses in town i certainly did read the forum and spent some time researching, i had a shortlist + map of 7 places but only visited 3 of them as distances were so big and taxis from the more expensive hotels were pretty expensive.

i did not find anything about this jad, is it a forum-user or company?

what are "the extremely hot places loaded with lovely girls" that i missed without knowing it?

classic: i went to the 3rd floor place with the many girls and super-loud music, i see that others liked this place but too me if was not nice at all when i visited, ok there were many slim girls but almost all of them looked like they did not want to be there + the mamasan was really pushy, not so nice to the girls nor me. i had big hopes for this place but did not like it at all.

a major issue for me about jakarta in general was the cigarette smoke in the clubs and that the girls smoked so much + the hospitality was lower than all other asian countries that i have visited, you simply did not feel that welcome to the country of in any of the establishments that i visited.[/quote]wild,

reading your further comments about the clubs, the smoke, the girls, the hospitality, the transportation system or lack of it, the taxis, etc. you show clear signs of having developped a serious allergy to jakarta. and my friendly recommendation, would be: do not go back there, you'll only be wasting your time and money.

jakarta is definitely not a sex fast food place, unless you know exactly where to go. to name but a few of the places that you must have passed by unknowingly would be maribaya 6th floor, blok m pick up bars, the numerous spas and massage parlours rep001tered all around he city, where there are scores of gorgeous freelancers only willing to please, north kota girlies bars loaded with so many lovelies that the main trouble is to choose one and still get hard looking at the others after you're done, malioboro, mangga besar other girlies bars and barlian and kartika, etc, etc etc. they are all described in the forum, with appreciations, maps and directions.

its quite strange that you felt unwelcomed, i always thought and felt that indonesians in general, and ladies in particular, were particularly genuinly welcoming and very easy to get along with. your reaction has probably something do with the way they treated you.

jad is a sex tour guide, extremely knowledgeable about all that jakarta has to offer sex wise. i am surprised that you did not come accross his name in your reading the forum. if you ever get back to jakarta, which i doubt, look up his name in the classified ads or look at his site [url]http://jakartaafterdark.com.[/url]

and by the way, i have been to beijing numerous times and there is absolutely no comparison with jakarta for me. jakarta is heaven compared to beijing though i love chinese women.

enjoy your mongering elsewhere bro, and share with us where you go and what you find.

cheers

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1320886]This quote seems so funny to me. To those of use who have lived there,"Sad" and "Jakarta" don't really belong in the same sentence.

Knight, are you back in town?[/QUOTE]Hi Bro,

Unfortunately not yet, but I am planning to be there sometimes around mid October or a bit later. I intend to do another south east asia tour. Will let you, and the other friends when I firm up my plans. Let me know if you have any travel plans around that time. Take care.

Cheers

I've been hooked on DIA / FB GFs for almost a year now. Been a while since I did regular mongering. Outback steakhouse / Chilis dinners, a vial of perfume, lingerie and trinkets qualifies you to GFE levels way above the charts. And being young and single also helps.

Anyway, I wanted to try Orchardz (the Jl. Industri Raya one) Grand Boutique Spa, on which there are no recent reports. Anybody been there recently. I mean, is it Bule friendly now and offers the same variety of services?

PS: Kartika and Berlian should be now stocked with fresh talent right? This usually happens in the wake of Ramadan.

[QUOTE=Tenth Legion;1321290]PS: Kartika and Berlian should be now stocked with fresh talent right? This usually happens in the wake of Ramadan.[/QUOTE]You inspire me. I'll report back by the end of the week. I need a bit of distraction, I get the impression that my main squeeze from AsianDating has found a better candidate than me. One gathers this from her updates on YM which are passionate but, sadly, obviously not directed at me. Ah well.

[QUOTE=Knight 1001;1321222]And by the way, I have been to Beijing numerous times and there is absolutely no comparison with Jakarta for me. Jakarta is heaven compared to Beijing though I love Chinese women.[/QUOTE]Excellent summary, totally agree with your comments. Hope to catch up later this year. I also might be out around late October.

Dear Gents.

I am back in Jakarta next week for the first time in about 2 years I guess! Really looking forward to it. Can't understand some of the comments below about Jakarta being like Beijing? If you go the right places I think Jakarta is probably the wildest place for girls in all of Asia (with perhaps the exception of Chang Ping in South China).

I have a question please if I may (I have read the forum and I do always write up trip reports where appropriate).

Please could someone give me directions to Hotel Travel and Hotel Classic. Are they in the Manga Basar area? I seem to recall Hotel Travel is over that way.

Many thanks for any advice / help you can offer.

BB

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1321522]Please could someone give me directions to Hotel Travel and Hotel Classic. Are they in the Manga Basar area? I seem to recall Hotel Travel is over that way.[/QUOTE]Google is your best friend.

[url]http://www.jakarta100bars.com/2009/12/travel-hotel-jakarta-mangga-besar.html[/url]

[url]http://www.classichoteljakarta.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1321645]Google is your best friend.

[url]http://www.jakarta100bars.com/2009/12/travel-hotel-jakarta-mangga-besar.html[/url]

[url]http://www.classichoteljakarta.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Or even a google map:

[url=http://goo.gl/maps/aFKWE]http://goo.gl/maps/aFKWE[/url]

/Barri

[QUOTE=Wiild; 1320748]Classic: I went to the 3rd floor place with the many girls and super-loud music, I see that others liked this place but too me if was not nice at all when I visited, OK there were many slim girls but almost all of them looked like they did not want to be there + the mamasan was really pushy, not so nice to the girls nor me. I had big hopes for this place but did not like it at all.

A major issue for me about Jakarta in general was the cigarette smoke in the clubs and that the girls smoked so much + the hospitality was lower than all other Asian countries that I have visited, you simply did not feel that welcome to the country of in any of the establishments that I visited.[/QUOTE]Dude, sorry but if I may say so, you maybe got to relax and let it all happen. Maybe try being a bit more accepting yourself next time you're in Jakarta or anywhere else in South East Asia. The cigarette, particularly the kretek, is part of Indonesian life. In fact I believe this is one country that has more smokers than non-smokers.

I also can't make up what could seem so unwelcoming in Jakarta from what you've explained, especially in the establishments of interest to us. The only major problem as far as I can see is the traffic. Other minor issues, yes, but nothing to feel so disappointed about from my experience. I can't imagine Jakarta being a city where I'm made to feel unwelcome. The hospitality, well depends on what you expect for what you're willing to pay, I guess. Same as anywhere else.

Maybe you want to elaborate on your experiences so that we might have an idea of what you went through as a precaution for coming visits.

Many Thanks.

[QUOTE=Barri; 1321707]Or even a google map:

[url=http://goo.gl/maps/aFKWE]http://goo.gl/maps/aFKWE[/url]

/Barri[/QUOTE]

I find it interesting that almost nobody ever mentions the places in Kelapa Gading. There are good knockshops similar to classic and travel there as well. Kings Cross, MTR2, etc.

[QUOTE=Knight 1001; 1321227]Hi Bro,

Unfortunately not yet, but I am planning to be there sometimes around mid October or a bit later. I intend to do another south east asia tour. Will let you, and the other friends when I firm up my plans. Let me know if you have any travel plans around that time. Take care.

Cheers[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Traveler1234]Excellent summary, totally agree with your comments. Hope to catch up later this year. I also might be out around late October.[/QUOTE]Planning to go there at the end of November. Really hope to see you guys, along with the MD, JAD, Ebowan, etc, etc

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1321801]I find it interesting that almost nobody ever mentions the places in Kelapa Gading. There are good knockshops similar to classic and travel there as well. Kings Cross, MTR2, etc.[/QUOTE]Pangeran Jayakarta.

PanJay has MTR1. That place isn't what it used to be though. I haven't seen a hottie there in a while. Last time I went to MTR2 at Kelapa Gading though, it was pretty good.

[QUOTE=Kelong Jimmy; 1321712]Dude, sorry but if I may say so, you maybe got to relax and let it all happen. Maybe try being a bit more accepting yourself next time you're in Jakarta or anywhere else in South East Asia.

Maybe you want to elaborate on your experiences so that we might have an idea of what you went through as a precaution for coming visits.[/QUOTE]I do appreciate that you and others love the city you live in, keep doing that, and I did post my original findings as reference for travelers like myself, not to tell you expats that I don't agree on your views. My point of view as a short time visitorand tourist is clear: Jakarta ranks VERY low. If you read travel literature and other travelers opinions in forums / blogs etc this can not come as a surprise to you guys. I did try to to be accepting and I have no discrimination towards Indonesia or other South East Asian destinations; I did enjoy Lombok, Gili Islands and some places in Bali. I love going to Thailand and I have enjoyed Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, The Philippines and South China.

My main problems with the Jakarta as a city was: traffic, pollution / lack of fresh air, very visible poverty, the lack of public transport, a rather unpleasing architecture / city planning and a feeling of not being 100% safe. Plus a lack of major attractions or nice neighborhoods for dining / shopping, everything seemed to be mall based.

I found the local people more unfriendly and less smiling than the rest of Indonesia and other Asian countries.

All the three nightclubs I frequented were in hotels with super high security / armed guards, I was told I need to take a taxi there, unsafe to travel any other way, this left me with a feeling of unease.

I just did some searched online for quality of life and it seems it's not only me who have this view of Jakarta:

[url]http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/life/most-hated-cities-861160[/url]

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[QUOTE=Wiild;1322064]My main problems with the Jakarta as a city was: traffic, pollution / lack of fresh air, very visible poverty, the lack of public transport, a rather unpleasing architecture / city planning and a feeling of not being 100% safe. Plus a lack of major attractions or nice neighborhoods for dining / shopping, everything seemed to be mall based[/url][/QUOTE]As an expat who has lived here for a decade and loves the city, I can't say I'm surprised at your perception of the place. I'm always a bit surprised when I meet people who fall in love with this city straight away, I thought it sucked for the first year that I lived here. The ones who do like it straight away are usually the ones who have friends who can show them a good time. And there are a handful of people who just seem to land on their feet. Hope you have a good time at your next destination.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1322068]As an expat who has lived here for a decade and loves the city, I can't say I'm surprised at your perception of the place. I'm always a bit surprised when I meet people who fall in love with this city straight away, I thought it sucked for the first year that I lived here. The ones who do like it straight away are usually the ones who have friends who can show them a good time. And there are a handful of people who just seem to land on their feet. Hope you have a good time at your next destination.[/QUOTE]Yea Gonzo, I guess so. And yes, in agreement also with Wild, you can't help but notice the negative side of Jakarta which is the extreme opposite of the levels of pleasure available in the city. That said, we're generally not there to look at the poverty, the quality of life of the locals and the architecture. In most cases I'm either there on work or on a dirty weekend off of it. I don't think you want to go to Jakarta for the scenery, because there's nothing really great to see compared to other tourist driven destinations in Indonesia.

If I'm in Jakarta, I'm out there to just have a great adventure in pursuit of great sex with arguably (if you're in the right places and lucky) some of the best looking women you'll find in Asia. I believe most of us are and heck, that's what all of you've been rambling about all along. The pollution, air quality and the traffic jams are just there as part of the adventure. So I can forgive the imperfections of Jakarta because the dirty adventure scene it offers is, if you could find some ratings and figures, for sure in the top 10 of the world.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1321976]PanJay has MTR1. That place isn't what it used to be though. I haven't seen a hottie there in a while. Last time I went to MTR2 at Kelapa Gading though, it was pretty good.[/QUOTE]Actually, there's some pretty decent talent fresh from the kampung at MTR1. I agree the pickings there are usually mediocre compared to SariAyu or Royal but for some reason it is the top place to be right now in Panjay. Could be a post-Lebaran thing, but who knows. I was with a sweet and petite 18 year old fair-skinned Bandung stunner few hours ago. It did take a full minute just to get the base of my dick in.

By the way, is your phone still working?

[QUOTE=Wiild;1322064]My main problems with the Jakarta as a city was: traffic, pollution / lack of fresh air, very visible poverty, the lack of public transport, a rather unpleasing architecture / city planning and a feeling of not being 100% safe. Plus a lack of major attractions or nice neighborhoods for dining / shopping, everything seemed to be mall based.[/QUOTE]There are other countries with equal traffic issues.

HK is more polluted than Jakarta.

Poverty. Yep, more apparent here.

Lack of transport. Yep, again except for Philippines, everywhere else has better.

Feeling not 100% safe. Wow, what an over-statement.

And you forgot the most important thing: pussy here is delicious.:)

Peace

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1322114]Poverty. Yep, more apparent here.

Lack of transport. Yep, again except for Philippines, everywhere else has better.

Feeling not 100% safe. Wow, what an over-statement.[/QUOTE]Funny, the only city I've been to in SEAsia that seems to have the same general vibe as Jakarta is Manila. I only passed through there for the day, no real time for pussy hunting there, I just had four or five hours to kill between landing and going off somewhere on a domestic flight. Spent most of the time wandering up and down the kampungs near Old Airport Road, it felt perfectly safe, just like Jakarta. All these Ibu doing their washing in the river, street stalls, kids going off to school, a few night clubs winding down, some of the heavily armed security guards called me over for a shot of moonshine. When I told a Fillipino friend about it later, he laughed, he said I'd been strolling through the most dangerous part of town with all my cash, belongings and papers, where even the locals are a bit nervous to set foot, even in day time. It's all a matter of perception, I guess. I always figure if you look nervous and uneasy, you draw the predators, just like a wounded fish draws sharks.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1322231]Funny, the only city I've been to in SEAsia that seems to have the same general vibe as Jakarta is Manila. I only passed through there for the day, no real time for pussy hunting there, I just had four or five hours to kill between landing and going off somewhere on a domestic flight. Spent most of the time wandering up and down the kampungs near Old Airport Road, it felt perfectly safe, just like Jakarta. All these Ibu doing their washing in the river, street stalls, kids going off to school, a few night clubs winding down, some of the heavily armed security guards called me over for a shot of moonshine. When I told a Fillipino friend about it later, he laughed, he said I'd been strolling through the most dangerous part of town with all my cash, belongings and papers, where even the locals are a bit nervous to set foot, even in day time. It's all a matter of perception, I guess. I always figure if you look nervous and uneasy, you draw the predators, just like a wounded fish draws sharks.[/QUOTE]My last visit to Manila was about four years ago, but I hear it is pretty much the same. Talking about safety, virtually every joint on Roxas Blvd, the casinos, had counters up front with signs that read: "Deposit your firearms here." Now how safe would you feel knowing some of your fellow patrons do carry firearms? Would you know who's got a gun under their belt out in the street? I don't see that in Jakarta. Only thing is at some major hotels or malls, you do get to run through scanners prior to entry. These are mainly American owned establishments which are most likely to be targeted by extremists. In that sense Manila is rather more unsettling than Jakarta, as you never know who might be carrying your graveyard ticket.

Hi guys, lots of posts here re JTown negs, and agreed, JTown has a lot of negs, so as an 8 yr resident I often fall back on,"Well, please don't let us prevent you from enjoying life somewhere you feel more comfortable.".

Now, do you know that old Senayan stadium complex? If U-turn off gatot subroto just before the mpr buildings and the road goes around the stadium perimeter and there are a whole of bunch of flower and plant sellers. Some of the grls working in those stalls and shops are willing! Had one giving me the eye when shopping with the gf. A quick few words. Picked her up there in the evening, she jumps in the car and was off, mouth full of cock before I have got into top gear! She was a right rural, dark tanned root to boot, body all hot and hard from labouring with plants in the sun, a real toey muscly little goer. Gawd you could go those country gals for nights on end I reckon! Had a reprise a coupla weeks later and then she was just gone! Yeah, another Jtown neg, the mysterious disappearing sweeties. Haha what a bloody town!

Arrived in Jakarta last night around 11pm and had a quick look at Blok M Bars as I am staying walking distance from there. Absolutely dead but I knew they would be on a Sunday night so no loss there.

Today at 5pm went to Hotel Melawi in Blok M which used to be quite good for some afternoon fun. Well I can't really recommend it anymore. Pretty poor choice og girls and the price has now gone up to 500, 000 which is pretty crazy by Jakarta standards. Nothing there interested me and I thought the price was taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. I actually used to quite like it there for an afternoon offload but certainly not anymore.

Tonight at 8pm I left my Blok M hotel and headed over to Hotel Classic. To my great surprise the roads were completely unclogged and it only took 20 minutes! Amazing! Hotel Classic is pretty cool actually and well worth a look. Nice place, nice rooms and lovely girls. Not super amazing but very very nice none the less and what a great deal at around 300, 000 all in.

I would highly recommend this place. Just google hotel classic jakarta for the directions and most taxi drivers know it.

I tipped 50, 000 there. Is that too much? She asked for 100, 000 but in my experience no matter what you tip and Indonesian girl they will always moan for more. What is the optimum time and day to visit there? I was there at 8pm on a Monday and it was certainly pretty busy and plenty of girls there.

[QUOTE=WazWallaby; 1323147]Hi guys, lots of posts here re JTown negs, and agreed, JTown has a lot of negs, so as an 8 yr resident I often fall back on,"Well, please don't let us prevent you from enjoying life somewhere you feel more comfortable.".

Now, do you know that old Senayan stadium complex? If U-turn off gatot subroto just before the mpr buildings and the road goes around the stadium perimeter and there are a whole of bunch of flower and plant sellers. Some of the grls working in those stalls and shops are willing! Had one giving me the eye when shopping with the gf. A quick few words. Picked her up there in the evening, she jumps in the car and was off, mouth full of cock before I have got into top gear! She was a right rural, dark tanned root to boot, body all hot and hard from labouring with plants in the sun, a real toey muscly little goer. Gawd you could go those country gals for nights on end I reckon! Had a reprise a coupla weeks later and then she was just gone! Yeah, another Jtown neg, the mysterious disappearing sweeties. Haha what a bloody town![/QUOTE]U sure it's not the same area where late nights you can find guys on mopeds with ladies standing in front? It's usually husbands renting out their wives for the night. Yea, in the Senayan perimeter, entering gatut subroto. Taxi drivers have pointed it out to me as we pass by, but I find that kinda sick.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1323178]I tipped 50, 000 there. Is that too much? She asked for 100, 000 but in my experience no matter what you tip and Indonesian girl they will always moan for more.[/QUOTE]50k is my tipping too for average service which is the usual there. 100k for a very good one that makes me leave with a smile on my face.

Try their duo promo for about 400k.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1323178]I would highly recommend this place. Just google hotel classic jakarta for the directions and most taxi drivers know it.

I tipped 50, 000 there. Is that too much? She asked for 100, 000 but in my experience no matter what you tip and Indonesian girl they will always moan for more. What is the optimum time and day to visit there? I was there at 8pm on a Monday and it was certainly pretty busy and plenty of girls there.[/QUOTE]Interesting that you say most taxi drivers know it. I've been there many times and only a few times have the taxi drivers had a clue where Hotel Classic was. Luckily I know the way and can direct them.

50k is fine. I tip that and if they are great, I give them 100k. If they put a condom on me for the BJ, they get nothing and I warn them about that as they pull out the condom and let them make the choice. I find that the girls are very good looking at classic, but their service is normally fairly poor. Once in a while you can find a good one, but not often. On the other hand, the Melawai (Maribaya) girls may not be as young or good looking, but they provide service that is about 100 times superior to any I've ever had at classic. It's kind of like going to the Eden club in Bangkok where the girls there aren't the hottest, but the service is the best.

I wouldn't give up on melawai, there are some winners on the afternoon shift there. And as I mentioned, you won't normally beat the service anywhere in Jakarta. But if you want young girls and plenty of them, north jakarta places like Classic, Hotel Travel, Malioboro, Kings Cross, Sun City, etc are better options. For me, it depends on my mood. If I haven't gotten a really good blowjob, wild shag, or good rimming in a while, I will go to Hotel Melawai because the chances of me getting really good service there is high. But if I just want a girl who will many times act a bit indifferent to me and be lackluster in bed, but not to worry about that since she's young and good looking, I'll hit north jakarta. Like I said, at times I do find a girl at classic who is a good shag, but it's not that often. When I go there, I have the mindset that I won't get the greatest shag, but I'll be in a room naked with a good looking young girl. And if she does provide a good shag, all the better.

[QUOTE=Wiild; 1322064]<SNIP

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[url]http://excelle.monster.com/benefits/articles/2982-the-worlds-20-worst-places-to-work?page=3[/url][/QUOTE]Both url's are US based and are not very well informed, the way I see it.

Crime? Not noticed in more than 20 years of very regular visits.

Poverty? Welcome to South East Asia.

Traffic?"Kalau tidak macet, bukan Jakarta".

If you don't like Jakarta, or Indonesia for that matter, don't go there. But don't moan about it.

You must have guessed from this forum that the likers are in the vast majority.

Do you really think they are all stupid?

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Smoothy; 1323282]Interesting that you say most taxi drivers know it. I've been there many times and only a few times have the taxi drivers had a clue where Hotel Classic was. Luckily I know the way and can direct them.

50k is fine. I tip that and if they are great, I give them 100k. If they put a condom on me for the BJ, they get nothing and I warn them about that as they pull out the condom and let them make the choice. I find that the girls are very good looking at classic, but their service is normally fairly poor. Once in a while you can find a good one, but not often. On the other hand, the Melawai (Maribaya) girls may not be as young or good looking, but they provide service that is about 100 times superior to any I've ever had at classic. It's kind of like going to the Eden club in Bangkok where the girls there aren't the hottest, but the service is the best.

I wouldn't give up on melawai, there are some winners on the afternoon shift there. And as I mentioned, you won't normally beat the service anywhere in Jakarta. But if you want young girls and plenty of them, north jakarta places like Classic, Hotel Travel, Malioboro, Kings Cross, Sun City, etc are better options. For me, it depends on my mood. If I haven't gotten a really good blowjob, wild shag, or good rimming in a while, I will go to Hotel Melawai because the chances of me getting really good service there is high. But if I just want a girl who will many times act a bit indifferent to me and be lackluster in bed, but not to worry about that since she's young and good looking, I'll hit north jakarta. Like I said, at times I do find a girl at classic who is a good shag, but it's not that often. When I go there, I have the mindset that I won't get the greatest shag, but I'll be in a room naked with a good looking young girl. And if she does provide a good shag, all the better.[/QUOTE]Amen, brother.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1323282]50k is fine. I tip that and if they are great, I give them 100k. If they put a condom on me for the BJ, they get nothing and I warn them about that as they pull out the condom and let them make the choice. I find that the girls are very good looking at classic, but their service is normally fairly poor. Once in a while you can find a good one, but not often. On the other hand, the Melawai (Maribaya) girls may not be as young or good looking, but they provide service that is about 100 times superior to any I've ever had at classic. It's kind of like going to the Eden club in Bangkok where the girls there aren't the hottest, but the service is the best.[/QUOTE]I agree with all that, particularly about the tipping. The only place where I've seen girls complain about a 50K tip is Kartika. In fact, if you offered 100K, they'd probably complain about that, too: who knows, it might work, might as well try. That, and the fact that they act like a pack of angry seagulls when you walk in the door, is the reason I never go there.

Regarding the service quality : age ratio at Melawai vs. Classic (or Travel) , I also agree. I always find 25+ give better service than anyone younger, and at 30+, they are often even better. Obviously learned something after all those years, and part of it is the value of attracting repeat customers. But you can get that a lot cheaper than Melawai at Berlian, Ibu Linda, and a few other places in the area. At those places, they often charge 250-300 rack rate and the girls are happy with an extra 50.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1323488]the fact that they act like a pack of angry seagulls when you walk in the door, is the reason I never go there.[/QUOTE]This has to be the quote of the week. What a perfect description of that experience! I have had good times at kartika though. I would recommend to anyone to try the soapy there and take 2 girls. The way they slide both on top and underneath is quite a unique thing indeed. I'm still not even sure how they do it. But I like.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1323178]Today at 5pm went to Hotel Melawi in Blok M which used to be quite good for some afternoon fun. Well I can't really recommend it anymore. Pretty poor choice og girls and the price has now gone up to 500, 000 which is pretty crazy by Jakarta standards. Nothing there interested me and I thought the price was taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. I actually used to quite like it there for an afternoon offload but certainly not anymore.[/QUOTE]Bowerboy, I think your problem at Melawai was twofold.

One, I think you hit it at the wrong time. Day shift ends at 4:30 and all of the evening shift gals have not yet made it in at 5 pm.

Two, the evening crew is currently slim pickings, hopefully this will change with a new influx sometime soon.

I was there earlier this week in the day time (1pm) and counted 16 girls, eight of whom I can vouch for giving exceptional service. Agree with Smoothy that some may not be the youngest, but they more than make up for it in the service department. Quite a few early twenties girls too.

Likewise am a visitor to Classic but usually end up dissapointed that a young great looking girl seemingly has little interest in ensuring customer satisfaction. But still keep returning, for the occaisional one that performs.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1323497]This has to be the quote of the week. What a perfect description of that experience! I have had good times at kartika though. I would recommend to anyone to try the soapy there and take 2 girls. The way they slide both on top and underneath is quite a unique thing indeed. I'm still not even sure how they do it. But I like.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the thoughts about Melawi. It still reeks a bit of "Bule" pricing and has risen dramatically in just 2 years. I know the service is not as good at Classic but still. 2 smoking hot 19 year olds for less money than one 30 year old at Melawi does seem hard to justify.

Will try Blok M bars tonight to see what is around.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1323497]This has to be the quote of the week. What a perfect description of that experience! I have had good times at kartika though. I would recommend to anyone to try the soapy there and take 2 girls. The way they slide both on top and underneath is quite a unique thing indeed. I'm still not even sure how they do it. But I like.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised one of the three bodies doesn't go shooting off that tiny little table!

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1323518]Thanks for the thoughts about Melawi. It still reeks a bit of "Bule" pricing and has risen dramatically in just 2 years. I know the service is not as good at Classic but still. 2 smoking hot 19 year olds for less money than one 30 year old at Melawi does seem hard to justify.

Will try Blok M bars tonight to see what is around.[/QUOTE]I find when I take 2 girls at Classic, they both get lazy and / or shy. So I stick with just 1. However. 270k for 1 and 400 for 2 there is a great deal however you look at it if you get even a decent girl. Considering the girls are young and attractive and the quality of the rooms and establishment is good, that is perhaps the best deal I've found anywhere in the world. But again, the girl may not be that great a shag. The last girl I went with at Classic was without a doubt one of the top 10 worst shags I've ever had (the worst was at Hotel Travel). Even at 270k, I felt absolutely ripped off that night. I should have thrown her back 5 minutes after stepping into the room with her, but I was hoping she'd change her attitude. She didn't.

It's true, the pricing at Melawai is a bit out of line. I complain about that myself every time I go. But Melawai is the only place like that in that part of town. So for convenience sake, if I were staying at Ambhara, I would visit frequently. The 2 girls I regularly go with on the day shift there are both 20 years old, not 30. And they are both good looking girls. Both of them go out of their way to make sure you are happy and one of them gives the best rim I've ever had in Jakarta. Ana on evening shift back a few years ago was also a great rimmer! Unfortunately Shela isn't there anymore, she was a keeper.

By the way, you asked when is the best time to go to Classic. You went at the best time. Avoid it on the weekends, there will be hundreds of local guys loitering around in there on the weekend since the cover charge is so low. It's a pain in the ass.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1323547]By the way, you asked when is the best time to go to Classic. You went at the best time. Avoid it on the weekends, there will be hundreds of local guys loitering around in there on the weekend since the cover charge is so low. It's a pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. And not just loitering, sometimes the rooms are booked solid so you have to wait. Last time that happened, the girl I'd picked sat there rolling her eyes, looking gloomy and bored and fiddling with her phone, refusing any attempt at conversation. I could tell she was going to be a lousy shag, so I bailed on the grounds that the Mamasan hadn't told me about the waiting for a room. She gave me a filthy glare, but I don't care. Saturday night is a pain in the arse. I went around to Berlian and mentioned to the girl I chose, she clucked her tongue sympathetically and said, these young girls, they just want to fill their target and go back to their kos, no real dedication to the job. Spot on.

I am not sure if it is just me being totally jaded with mongering or whether Jakarta has really slid (at least the standard expat side of things).

I went to Melawi Hotel this afternoon and yes the selection was definitely better than the evening shift. But I still coulnt really find any girl that justified the 500, 000 (which is cheap in general but is a big rise over the last couple of years).

Blok M tonight was pretty much dead at 11pm tonight. There was only really 1 decent looking girl there and to be fair she was pretty smoking hot. So its 11pm and there are about 5 girls to each guy and nothing really going on and I offered her 500, 00 for a very short time and she wasnt interested. Fair enough. I went home empty handed.

For the serious monger I would very strongly suggest staying up in North Jakarta near Menga Bessar area. That is where the real action is and honestly I would pretty much write off the Blok M area.

Just my 2 cents worth! Part of the problem I admit is that I live in Bangkok so when I come here there is no burning need to go out of my way for sub standard or over priced pussy.

Blok M doesn't have the hotties it once had, but there is some talent there still. That one girl who works in the back room of D's place is pretty damn hot. I forget her name because I don't like her personality, but she's definitely hot. Her sister was even hotter, but it seems she married some guy and isn't there anymore.

North Jakarta is good if you are interested in short time knockshops. If you want a GFE where you can chat up a girl, have a little fun with her, then take her home for the night, Blok M beats North Jakarta. The problem is that Blok M doesn't get started these days until midnight now. The influx of a lot of sex tourists and a lot of young guys who don't seem to work too much and can go out late has caused the time change. Back when I first came to Jakarta, the action started much earlier. But back then, there were pretty much only old guys who worked in the oil patch living in Jakarta as expats. They needed to get home earlier to get to work in the morning.

I go to Melawai often where I look around, see nothing I like, have a beer and leave. Admittedly, there are only a few girls there I consider to be keepers at the moment. But the service there is excellent with pretty much any girl you take. I like it there because even if the girls aren't the hottest, I always feel good when leaving there. The girls make sure to get me off twice (if I want) and will give a massage as well in between rounds. Many times I'm actually disappointed leaving a place like Classic or Travel since the girl was such a pain in the ass in the room. But many times I'm quite happy as well, so it is hit or miss there.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1323547]I find when I take 2 girls at Classic, they both get lazy and / or shy. So I stick with just 1.[/QUOTE]I love the 2 girls offer, you might be right they can be passive or pretend to be shy, so you have to motivate them and tell them what to do, buy them something to drink to relax, I had the girls touch and kiss each other, fun to eat pussy and fuck simultaneously.

The trick is to pick the girls that you know from the same mamasan, or at least you should know 1 of the girls and let her pick her friend,

It works out for me and I do tip well.

Cheers,

NC

[QUOTE=Menteng;1321866]Planning to go there at the end of November. Really hope to see you guys, along with the MD, JAD, Ebowan, etc, etc[/QUOTE]We'd be only too pleased to meet you bro. It's been too long. Hopefully Knight1001 will be there around the same time too.

MD II

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1326061]We'd be only too pleased to meet you bro. It's been too long. Hopefully Knight1001 will be there around the same time too.

MD II[/QUOTE]Hi Bros'

You know what they say. You have to be careful about what you wish for because you may just get it.

That is just to say that the ticket and hotel are both booked. Will be in town on 19th October evening and sure hope we'll be able to get together again. Those who will already be there, pm me your local numbers.

Would be just great to have you there Menteng, MDII, JAD, Traveller 1234, Smoothy, as well all other friends. Count down is started as far as I am concerned hehehe. See you all soon.

Cheers

HI all.

Was in Jakarta for a few days recently.

Was loaded with work and schedules, so could not really plan my usual dating sites approach. Only met one new "friend" had a nice dinner in a quite nice restaurant called kembang goela, classical setting and quite good service and food. The smokers lounge is just awesome. Had a bit of fondling there. I guess next date will prove successful.

Had not called previous encounters cause I knew this was going to be a busy time.

Yet, needed some release at odd hours, so visited Block M. Top Gun one night. Picked up a tall slim thing called Marcella or was it Marcellina. Claimed she was 37 when I thought she was 25. Tell me about hardsale LOL. Really nice slender body. Gave ok service including BBBJ and decent cowgirl and doggie. Nothing much indeed. I gave 500 K. She stayed until morning. But I was not really in the mood for a morning thing and she seemed eager to leave.

Another night, visited CJ in Mulia. Had not been there for a while. Never saw so many women that I would call not attractive at all. And when I think they will ask, and maybe get. 1 M from someone, I just cannot understand.

Anyway after a while, close to 2AM, was approached by a decent looking girl. I think her name was Amelia. Stage name I guess. Not tall, curvy, the obvious push up bra. Nice smile though. So we went out together. In the cab, she asked me "why you don't ask me how much?" well bby it's free no? After some joking, I told her I would pay 600 K 650 K is I was happy. She obviously had no choice.

And I regretted even paying that. She was an average kisser, her body was really in need of some toning up, she did not like me to suck her tits, complained that sucking my dick made her feel nauseous. But the BJ was decent. And fucked in an average manner. Funny, though, while I was close to finish in doggie, the condom broke, which I did not really feel, and she realized when I had come already, as I did. OK I was a bit wasted. Anyway the funny part is not that the condom broke. It was her reaction, where her only concern seemed to be that some of the plastic was left inside. As if she was going to have another customer the hour after. Anyway, that killed a bit of the magic. Which was already quite non existent. I gave her the agreed amount. And she managed to extract a pack of cigs that was lying there half finished.

One afternoon, I was on the Jln Subroto thing after a long meeting in Wisma Mulia. It was 6 PM, was looking for a cab to go back to my hotel in Kuningan. I crossed the road using this "bridge". Waited for like 20 minutes no cab. Woalked toward the next intersection. And noticed a "Delta Spa". Was tired and a bit pissed about my work. So decided to try it. Not remembering reading anything about it, did not know what to expect but still went. Facility is clean. I got ushered to first floor after being given some sort of bracelet with a number and changed from my clothes into some sort of shorts / trunks. IN the first floor I said that I wanted the full body in the standard suite. I waited for quite a while around 20 mins. Then I was led to some sort of cubicle. Where i was welcomed by a young quite round not to say fat person. Massage was really awesome. There was a lot of tickling in the sensitive zones when i was lying face down. Then when i was on my back there was more than tickling, and it turned out to be a really nice HJ.

Surprisingly there was no money discussed. She cleaned me up with a warm towel. Kissed me on my lips. And took me out. I was actually a bit embarrassed cause i did not have cash on me. Would have tipped her. Overall a very nice experience. At the end i paid like 650K. Which seemd to be more than what i had been told, but i really would have had a thick face if i complained...

Maybe someone here knows about the rules and might explain if my experience is the SOP there. If it is, then i will come back :-)

Have fun

FT

[QUOTE=FrenchTouch; 1326725]One afternoon, I was on the Jln Subroto thing after a long meeting in Wisma Mulia. It was 6 PM, was looking for a cab to go back to my hotel in Kuningan. I crossed the road using this "bridge". Waited for like 20 minutes no cab. Woalked toward the next intersection. And noticed a "Delta Spa". Was tired and a bit pissed about my work. So decided to try it. Not remembering reading anything about it, did not know what to expect but still went. Facility is clean. I got ushered to first floor after being given some sort of bracelet with a number and changed from my clothes into some sort of shorts / trunks. IN the first floor I said that I wanted the full body in the standard suite. I waited for quite a while around 20 mins. Then I was led to some sort of cubicle. Where I was welcomed by a young quite round not to say fat person. Massage was really awesome. There was a lot of tickling in the sensitive zones when I was lying face down. Then when I was on my back there was more than tickling, and it turned out to be a really nice HJ.

Surprisingly there was no money discussed. She cleaned me up with a warm towel. Kissed me on my lips. And took me out. I was actually a bit embarrassed cause I did not have cash on me. Would have tipped her. Overall a very nice experience. At the end I paid like 650K. Which seemd to be more than what I had been told, but I really would have had a thick face if I complained.

Maybe someone here knows about the rules and might explain if my experience is the SOP there. If it is, then I will come back.

Have fun

FT[/QUOTE]That's standard service there if you get the hot stone massage. It's pricey as you mention though at between 600 to 650k. I prefer La Luna where the massage is 120k and if you want extras, you negotiate in the room. Full sex is on the cards there, but it's not at Delta.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1326784]That's standard service there if you get the hot stone massage. It's pricey as you mention though at between 600 to 650k. I prefer La Luna where the massage is 120k and if you want extras, you negotiate in the room. Full sex is on the cards there, but it's not at Delta.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insight.

I would not have liked to bang here, she was not attractive. But she delivered a good service. Massage was excellent, HJ delicious, and facilities were worth the price. Will check on La Luna, but location is important too.

I was in the area. Would normally not ride a cab in the Jakarta traffic t get a massage.

Have a nice day and week end there.

FT

I have planned to visit Jakarta for the first time in about 2. 5 weeks, but this Islamic terrorism and violent anti western crap going on in North Africa is starting to make me think about calling an audible and skipping Jakarta. To guys on the ground in Jakarta right now; what is the vibe like? I understand that a demonstration of approximately 400 people was staged in front of the US Embassy on Friday. I know Indonesia is not Egypt, but Islamic Anti American demonstrations and mongering do not mix in my view. Anyway, I will be watching the news closely until my departure.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1327423]I have planned to visit Jakarta for the first time in about 2. 5 weeks, but this Islamic terrorism and violent anti western crap going on in North Africa is starting to make me think about calling an audible and skipping Jakarta. To guys on the ground in Jakarta right now; what is the vibe like? I understand that a demonstration of approximately 400 people was staged in front of the US Embassy on Friday. I know Indonesia is not Egypt, but Islamic Anti American demonstrations and mongering do not mix in my view. Anyway, I will be watching the news closely until my departure.[/QUOTE]To Natty,

I just got my ticket to Jakarata for business and trade show next month just talk to my friend there everything is normal no issue, I don't you should worry too much people in Indo is not anti American like in the Middle east.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1325946]I love the 2 girls offer, you might be right they can be passive or pretend to be shy, so you have to motivate them and tell them what to do, buy them something to drink to relax, I had the girls touch and kiss each other, fun to eat pussy and fuck simultaneously.

The trick is to pick the girls that you know from the same mamasan, or at least you should know 1 of the girls and let her pick her friend,

It works out for me and I do tip well.

Cheers,

NC[/QUOTE]My experience at Maribaya is quite different. When I take 2 girls they happily work together without much persuasion required. Maybe they get better instructions beforehand or they are more used to bules with a penchant for trios. I don't know, but every time I'm happy with the experience.

Regards,

Ko

Hello,

When I was last in Jakarta and wanted a change from my usual comfort zone places places like BATS, CJS, and I suppose Stadium to a point, I remember having a bit of an adventure one night by going blind into the unknown asking the Silver Bird taxi driver to take me from my hotel to what was called the Arab Disco or (Tiga Kuda 3 Horses) at the Hotel Menteng II on Jalan Cikini Raya 105.

Is it still there? And has anyone been there recently?

If it is still in business and you like seedy jam packed hot and sweaty places full of freelancers and fancy something different with a bit of a Middle Eastern flavour (and lower prices) then I recommend this place.

Regards

[quote=natty bumpo;1327423]i have planned to visit jakarta for the first time in about 2. 5 weeks, but this islamic terrorism and violent anti western crap going on in north africa is starting to make me think about calling an audible and skipping jakarta. to guys on the ground in jakarta right now; what is the vibe like? i understand that a demonstration of approximately 400 people was staged in front of the us embassy on friday. i know indonesia is not egypt, but islamic anti american demonstrations and mongering do not mix in my view. anyway, i will be watching the news closely until my departure.[/quote]indonesians and particularly javanese are to my mind some of the most respectful people on earth. what they do like is for that respect. both in demeanor and speech to be reciprocated. you could most likely attend the demo and they would treat you politely. who knows? there could easily be some isg stalwarts in the mob.

i would say model the risk in a numerical way and bear in mind that the us loses more to gun massacres each year than indonesia does to mob violence. each is an anarchaic act which is at the heart of the terror, but my call is let your balls hang down and then go and put them to work.

os

FYI gents

In case anyone is staying at the Crowne Plaza Jakarta. They have an in-room massage service. I got an hour and then offered a HJ. Total package was $40 USD. Not bad for an incredible massage with happy ending. Best part is you can roll over and go to bed vs. Walk home from the health spa. Not sure if anything is offered, but I was happy with that.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1327423]I have planned to visit Jakarta for the first time in about 2. 5 weeks, but this Islamic terrorism and violent anti western crap going on in North Africa is starting to make me think about calling an audible and skipping Jakarta. To guys on the ground in Jakarta right now; what is the vibe like? I understand that a demonstration of approximately 400 people was staged in front of the US Embassy on Friday. I know Indonesia is not Egypt, but Islamic Anti American demonstrations and mongering do not mix in my view. Anyway, I will be watching the news closely until my departure.[/QUOTE]I agree with Offshore.

Maybe Indonesian hate US goverment and CIA, but not the common US people. Demo is just a part of ordinary life here, but other than that, everything still run smoothly as usual. Now you can mongering at many places, compare to during ramadhan month. Jakarta is safer than other big cities, just use common sense and you will be able to in and out safely.

[QUOTE=Hbengkok; 1327608]I agree with Offshore.

Maybe Indonesian hate US goverment and CIA, but not the common US people. Demo is just a part of ordinary life here, but other than that, everything still run smoothly as usual. Now you can mongering at many places, compare to during ramadhan month. Jakarta is safer than other big cities, just use common sense and you will be able to in and out safely.[/QUOTE]Probably not much risk of you getting kidnapped or whatever, that said I would stay away from obviously American hotel chains, I usually stay in the Le Meridien, I know it's part of Starwood like Sheraton etc, but with the french name it gets under the radar.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1327510]My experience at Maribaya is quite different. When I take 2 girls they happily work together without much persuasion required. Maybe they get better instructions beforehand or they are more used to bules with a penchant for trios. I don't know, but every time I'm happy with the experience.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]Ko, maybe because Classic is cheaper then the girls are less motivated. What do you pay at Maribaya for 2 girls.

The girls do work together or in turns, the difficult part is to get them to interact with each other. Like lesbo things.

Nille

[quote=offshore swell; 1327590]indonesians and particularly javanese are to my mind some of the most respectful people on earth. what they do like is for that respect. both in demeanor and speech to be reciprocated. you could most likely attend the demo and they would treat you politely. who knows? there could easily be some isg stalwarts in the mob.

i would say model the risk in a numerical way and bear in mind that the us loses more to gun massacres each year than indonesia does to mob violence. each is an anarchaic act which is at the heart of the terror, but my call is let your balls hang down and then go and put them to work.

os[/quote][quote=natty bumpo;1327423]i have planned to visit jakarta for the first time in about 2. 5 weeks, but this islamic terrorism and violent anti western crap going on in north africa is starting to make me think about calling an audible and skipping jakarta. to guys on the ground in jakarta right now; what is the vibe like? i understand that a demonstration of approximately 400 people was staged in front of the us embassy on friday. i know indonesia is not egypt, but islamic anti american demonstrations and mongering do not mix in my view. anyway, i will be watching the news closely until my departure.[/quote]i am in jakarta with some frequency, was there the for the recent ramadan holiday, there were a couple of days things were dark, for most of the time it was like the key for the door lock was lost to every bar and honky tonk in town. be heads up about where you are, and whats happening around you, you'll be ok. don't know where you'll be staying or how long you'll be there. have fun but be smart about things.

i agree with offshore swell the javanese people are very kind and warm.

you're going to love the girls. they are warm sweet and very open.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1327423]I have planned to visit Jakarta for the first time in about 2. 5 weeks, but this Islamic terrorism and violent anti western crap going on in North Africa is starting to make me think about calling an audible and skipping Jakarta. To guys on the ground in Jakarta right now; what is the vibe like? I understand that a demonstration of approximately 400 people was staged in front of the US Embassy on Friday. I know Indonesia is not Egypt, but Islamic Anti American demonstrations and mongering do not mix in my view. Anyway, I will be watching the news closely until my departure.[/QUOTE]Most Indonesians couldn't care less what happens in the middle east, unless it relates to one of their sisters who is working there as a housekeeper. Any anti-American demo I've seen in Jakarta is about as big as two football teams and consists entirely of skinny little losers who dress up like deranged dental assistants and who are either unemployed or students at third-rate universities. Anti-American attitudes are NOT even close to being main-stream in Indonesia and the "threat level" is minuscule.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1327423]I have planned to visit Jakarta for the first time in about 2. 5 weeks, but this Islamic terrorism and violent anti western crap going on in North Africa is starting to make me think about calling an audible and skipping Jakarta. To guys on the ground in Jakarta right now; what is the vibe like? I understand that a demonstration of approximately 400 people was staged in front of the US Embassy on Friday. I know Indonesia is not Egypt, but Islamic Anti American demonstrations and mongering do not mix in my view. Anyway, I will be watching the news closely until my departure.[/QUOTE]It's very safe in Jakarta, but still be careful as wherever you go there are places that it's better to avoid at night.

Choose a well known safe mongering location like classic, travel, malio or alexis.

And avoid US embassy if you can.

And if anyone ask you, just say you're from Canada or some other country.

Hi Mates,

I'm heading to Jakarta next month. I've been looking around on the net and found this site "Cute Asian Model's Escort" ([url]https://sites.google.com/site/cuteasianmodelsescort/home[/url]). Has anyone heard about their services? If so please let me know how they are. Just wondering, because most of the time when these people advertise photos of girls, it's a totally different person turn up at the door.

Also if have contacts that I can use to get good quality girls to my hotel with out going out please PM me

Thanks for your help in advance

[QUOTE=Dkooau; 1328280]Hi Mates,

I'm heading to Jakarta next month. I've been looking around on the net and found this site "Cute Asian Model's Escort" (

[url]https://sites.google.com/site/cuteasianmodelsescort/home[/url]

). Has anyone heard about their services? If so please let me know how they are. Just wondering, because most of the time when these people advertise photos of girls, it's a totally different person turn up at the door.

Also if have contacts that I can use to get good quality girls to my hotel with out going out please PM me

Thanks for your help in advance[/QUOTE]Never heard of them.

I do not recognize any of the girl as well.

Most the escort service is in a bit hiatus due to the capture of one escort provider in surabaya.

Most of them does not take new client.

I do know some girl with similar price range

[QUOTE=Cooldoe; 1328409]Never heard of them.

I do not recognize any of the girl as well.

Most the escort service is in a bit hiatus due to the capture of one escort provider in surabaya.

Most of them does not take new client.

I do know some girl with similar price range[/QUOTE]Great, Would you be able to PM me their contacts? Or tell me where I can get hold of them. Thanks mate

[QUOTE=Dkooau; 1328280]Hi Mates,

I'm heading to Jakarta next month. I've been looking around on the net and found this site "Cute Asian Model's Escort"

[url]https://sites.google.com/site/cuteasianmodelsescort/home[/url]

Has anyone heard about their services? If so please let me know how they are. Just wondering, because most of the time when these people advertise photos of girls, it's a totally different person turn up at the door.

Also if have contacts that I can use to get good quality girls to my hotel with out going out please PM me

Thanks for your help in advance[/QUOTE]To Dkooau.

You should PM JAD Jarkata after dark he is a member with ecsort contact he can give you better advice than most of us.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Dkooau; 1328280]Hi Mates,

I'm heading to Jakarta next month. I've been looking around on the net and found this site "Cute Asian Model's Escort" (

[url]https://sites.google.com/site/cuteasianmodelsescort/home[/url]

). Has anyone heard about their services? If so please let me know how they are. Just wondering, because most of the time when these people advertise photos of girls, it's a totally different person turn up at the door.[/QUOTE]You're not serious. 3.5 juta for short time? You can visit a high end spa, pick a 10/10 for less than half of that. And at least 1 or 2 of the girls are advertising on craigslist.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1328686]You're not serious. 3.5 juta for short time? You can visit a high end spa, pick a 10/10 for less than half of that. And at least 1 or 2 of the girls are advertising on craigslist.[/QUOTE]If those guys need to throw money around it is better they do that with escort agencies than spoiling the free market.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1328686]You're not serious. 3.5 juta for short time? You can visit a high end spa, pick a 10/10 for less than half of that. And at least 1 or 2 of the girls are advertising on craigslist.[/QUOTE]True on the prices. Even enjoyed a FHM girl for far less that that.

Between the website and Craigslist I've spotted photos of two girls I know ermm well. However, the same photos are also found on their Facebook pages (some possibly even publicly without friending). I even know of one 'agency' that requested friending when approaching girls, so they could get to the photos. So whether it is the girls themselves providing the photos, or a facebook photo hunting exercise, is debatable. Someone go find out!

I'm loath to tell the girls where I've seen the photos, in case it is them providing the photos willingly, and they shoot their rates up!

On my recent trip to Jakarta after having made 5 or 6 trips over the last 5 years I came to the following conclusion which I think is a good rule of thumb for anyone planning a Jakarta trip.

Blok M and all of the Hotel Nightclubs are for people passing through that don't want to go out of their comfort zone and want some expensive female companionship in familiar surroundings without having to go out of their way. Travelling businessmen, people passing passing through for the night and so on. For the true enthusiast you will not find any of this interesting at all.

The true enthusiast should stay in North jakarta and focus on the clubs and esteblishments there, namely Hotel Travel and Hotel Classic and I personally think Stadium nightclub is well worth a look just for the spectacle of it. Also laced in with all that is places like Berlian and so on.

True enthusiats should stay at the Mercure (I think it is that one) and just spend a couple of days in that North Jakarta area and don't waste your time on the over priced "touristy" type places elsewhere.

Just my 2 cents worth!

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1329242]Blok M and all of the Hotel Nightclubs are for people passing through that don't want to go out of their comfort zone and want some expensive female companionship in familiar surroundings without having to go out of their way. Travelling businessmen, people passing passing through for the night and so on. For the true enthusiast you will not find any of this interesting at all.

The true enthusiast should stay in North jakarta and focus on the clubs and esteblishments there, namely Hotel Travel and Hotel Classic and I personally think Stadium nightclub is well worth a look just for the spectacle of it. Also laced in with all that is places like Berlian and so on.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be so categorical. You won't find me in a hotel nightclub, I'm too much of a tight-wad. But Blok M and Kota have a slightly different range of women available. The ones in Blok M tend to be a bit more into hanging out and partying, a bit more like the "GFE". Kota is definitely better for simple (and not so simple. Haha!) sexual services, the knocking shop scene. Actually, I think the "true enthusiast" should get busy on DIA or similar and find some interesting non-working girls, but that's just because I've been on a bit of a run with that for the last week or so. All I'm really saying is that the scenes are different, they both have their place.

[QUOTE=Dkooau;1328548]Great, Would you be able to PM me their contacts? Or tell me where I can get hold of them. Thanks mate[/QUOTE]Sorry bro I do not have PM privilege right now.

[QUOTE=Hung Man 1808; 1328748]True on the prices. Even enjoyed a FHM girl for far less that that.

Between the website and Craigslist I've spotted photos of two girls I know ermm well. However, the same photos are also found on their Facebook pages (some possibly even publicly without friending). I even know of one 'agency' that requested friending when approaching girls, so they could get to the photos. So whether it is the girls themselves providing the photos, or a facebook photo hunting exercise, is debatable. Someone go find out!

I'm loath to tell the girls where I've seen the photos, in case it is them providing the photos willingly, and they shoot their rates up![/QUOTE]Unfortunately that what usually the fraud do.

Do not trust the online escort.

I do not like craiglist as well, they are catered to foreigner so the price usually higher.

If you are a bit adventurous and can speak Indonesia well, maybe try mirc #jakarta #bawel channel.

Lots of girl advertise there

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1329268]I wouldn't be so categorical. You won't find me in a hotel nightclub, I'm too much of a tight-wad. But Blok M and Kota have a slightly different range of women available. The ones in Blok M tend to be a bit more into hanging out and partying, a bit more like the "GFE". Kota is definitely better for simple (and not so simple. Haha!) sexual services, the knocking shop scene. Actually, I think the "true enthusiast" should get busy on DIA or similar and find some interesting non-working girls, but that's just because I've been on a bit of a run with that for the last week or so. All I'm really saying is that the scenes are different, they both have their place.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with your comments, both markets are different but I wouldn't be categorical about saying Blok M is only for tourists or those passing through. There are many of us long tern expats that Blok M is are preferred place out of convenience. I like heading North but the traffic makes this a once per month adventure, Blok M as it all with lower prices and convenience for us living South. And in my experience you will get more GFE in Blok M than up North where the tarts are more hard core and detached.

[QUOTE=MrBill1963;1329946]And in my experience you will get more GFE in Blok M than up North where the tarts are more hard core and detached.[/QUOTE]I completely disagree. Are you sure you were not confusing Blok M with Kota when you said the cewek are more "hardcore detached"? All I see in Blok M are 40 and 50 year old hags who are way past their expiry date.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1330034]I completely disagree. Are you sure you were not confusing Blok M with Kota when you said the cewek are more "hardcore detached"? All I see in Blok M are 40 and 50 year old hags who are way past their expiry date.[/QUOTE]To Egy Monger

I think Blok M is a hit and miss some time there are many young college girl in weekend after midnight is best, most of the time the selection is poor and girl are shy and unfriendly, the last girl that I pick up at Long Gun is the worst girl I ever have in Jarkata no BJ at all want to leave after 30 min so just give her 100k and throw her out the door.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1328686]You're not serious. 3.5 juta for short time? You can visit a high end spa, pick a 10/10 for less than half of that. And at least 1 or 2 of the girls are advertising on craigslist.[/QUOTE]If Alexis good? Would you be able to take the girls to your hotel from there?

[QUOTE=Hung Man 1808; 1328748]True on the prices. Even enjoyed a FHM girl for far less that that.

Between the website and Craigslist I've spotted photos of two girls I know ermm well. However, the same photos are also found on their Facebook pages (some possibly even publicly without friending). I even know of one 'agency' that requested friending when approaching girls, so they could get to the photos. So whether it is the girls themselves providing the photos, or a facebook photo hunting exercise, is debatable. Someone go find out!

I'm loath to tell the girls where I've seen the photos, in case it is them providing the photos willingly, and they shoot their rates up![/QUOTE]Some of these models are outrageous. I had a offer for 18jt for short time.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1330034]I completely disagree. Are you sure you were not confusing Blok M with Kota when you said the cewek are more "hardcore detached"? All I see in Blok M are 40 and 50 year old hags who are way past their expiry date.[/QUOTE]Haha. I think you're exaggerating a bit. Most of the Top Gun girls would be in their mid or late 20's into their 30's. If you like the 18 year old starfish straight in from Indramayu, then Classic and Travel are the places to go. Fresh, young flesh, to be sure, but do they know what to do with it? Anyway, no point arguing. That's what's so good about Jakarta, something for everyone.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1330262]Haha. I think you're exaggerating a bit. Most of the Top Gun girls would be in their mid or late 20's into their 30's. If you like the 18 year old starfish straight in from Indramayu, then Classic and Travel are the places to go. Fresh, young flesh, to be sure, but do they know what to do with it? Anyway, no point arguing. That's what's so good about Jakarta, something for everyone.[/QUOTE]You're right, there's definitely something for everyone. As someone who is mid-20s such as myself I get kinda turned off by the scene in Blok M. Yes, Top Gun does have the youngest talent out of all the bars in the street but let's face it how many of them are actually under 30? Only a few. I swear I saw a 55-year old hag trying to negotiate with another monger in D's Place (Yup, I asked about her age).

By the way, in Kota they're not only from Indramayu, I've seen from Bandung, Cirebon and even Manado.

Just a question guys. Most of the pics in the Photo Gallery is with out the glove. Is that the normal practice in Indonesia, unless you request the glove?

I think the main difference between the two scenes is that the girls in South, except for those in Maribaya, are "take-aways", while those in the North are generally for "in-house" activities.

Hi,

For those of us who like low end.

[url]http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/lifeandtimes/sex-by-the-train-tracks-indonesias-working-girls/409130[/url]

BL

[QUOTE=Dkooau;1330330]Just a question guys. Most of the pics in the Photo Gallery is with out the glove. Is that the normal practice in Indonesia, unless you request the glove?[/QUOTE]Hell yeah, it's pretty standard not to use a condom here. In fact, I would say Jakarta rivals the Phillipines when it comes to condom use.

[QUOTE=Dkooau;1330244]If Alexis good? Would you be able to take the girls to your hotel from there?[/QUOTE]If I recall correctly, the take out rate is around 5X the short time rate and the short time rate ranges from about 1 million (Indonesian providers) to 2 million (foreign providers). Take out is for all night though. I didn't think Alexis was all that great, unless you wanted to take advantage of their pool / spa. It's definitely overpriced. But I've only been there once.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;1330568]If I recall correctly, the take out rate is around 5X the short time rate and the short time rate ranges from about 1 million (Indonesian providers) to 2 million (foreign providers). Take out is for all night though. I didn't think Alexis was all that great, unless you wanted to take advantage of their pool / spa. It's definitely overpriced. But I've only been there once.[/QUOTE]Alexis is good, it's expensive, with nice facilities.

There are girls from Indo, PRC, Vietnam, Thailand. Many nice girls.

It's nice that the girl joins you in the spa and you can play / talk.

With her, get some massage before going to the room.

I would not recommend take out, I've done it a few times, but did not felt I got good values for it,

It's expensive and often the girl is tired and just want to sleep to you can't have sex with her all night.

Better value, pick up girls from the bars / discos.

NC

[QUOTE=Egy Monger;1330311]By the way, in Kota they're not only from Indramayu, I've seen from Bandung, Cirebon and even Manado.[/QUOTE]They're a mixed bunch in Berlian and Ibu Linda's, from all over the archipelago. But the ones there are also mostly a few years older than you are, young lad. I had one in Travel who was a Betawi, which seems to be quite unusual, she was the exception to the rule. Almost all of the others (not a huge statistical sample, I must say) have been straight in from Indramayu. I've read that there are one or two sub-districts in Indramayu where sex work is long standing tradition, there is an established recruitment process to get girls in from there, with the parents often pushing them to get out and earn a living. Often, Mum and Granny did a spell, too, back in their day, or so the article said. Don't know if it's true or not, but it sounds plausible.

Could not find any information that looks correct on how much wine / liquor that a person can bring into indo when there on a short visit. Can anyone she some light? I know that these products are avaiable but I prefer some of own local stuff when I travel, usually bringing 1 or 2 bottles for myself and maybe some hard liquor as well. Is the prices for alcohol comparable to my purchasing in duty free?

Just had very pleasant experience with Lulu in my hotel. New girl, very sweet and cute, Pribumi, lovely large tits, shy, not much English. 700, 000 rupiah for "short time" which in my case was actually a rather long time. YMMV. Handler brings two girls to your room and lets you choose, and if neither are to your taste, can swap without penalty. BBBJ, CIM if you want, Mish, Cowgirl. Probably could have tried more, but it was obvious that I was too big for her. Goes to completion, does not watch the clock. PM me if you want the contact number and name.

[QUOTE=Mantrini;1330798]Could not find any information that looks correct on how much wine / liquor that a person can bring into indo when there on a short visit. Can anyone she some light? I know that these products are avaiable but I prefer some of own local stuff when I travel, usually bringing 1 or 2 bottles for myself and maybe some hard liquor as well. Is the prices for alcohol comparable to my purchasing in duty free?[/QUOTE]1 Liter is allowed. I have been lucky and managed 1 bottle 1. 5 liters, but they scan the bags and can see if you have more and they mark with an X in chock and then they ask you to open so they can inspect.

RL