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Hello!
I am going to stay a few days in Kanchanaburi just before Christmas. Any action there? Bars, soapies, freelancers, karaoke? Have never been there, so any information will be appreciated. Will continue to Ayuthaya and Khorat. Have seen som posts about the latter, but what about Ayuthaya?
Thanks:-)

Thanks Freeler,

a lot of useful information! I have already booked a hotel; Felix River Kwai. Do You know if it is far from the citycentre? As I have certain company at the hotel, I do not intend to bring a girl back.....

Freeler,
Now you make me hesitaite between Khon Khaen and Kanchanaburi... Which of the two has the hotest scene ?

If you go to Surin, you MUST take an extra day to travel to Khao Prah Vihearn (spelling...?). My preferred Khmer site, after Angkhor of course. You can spend a night in Sisaket. I remember having had a very good full service session in a massage parlor (there are not many, it should not be difficult to find) nearby the train station.

Hello everyone!

I will be going to Krabi, ao nang, railay, and koh lanta soon, Im looking for a good time, my question is does any one know if there is any brothels or sex seen in those places?
and how much shold u pay??

thank you on forehand Eric

Sugenman,

Forget about any of that in KohLanta, AoNang and Railai. These places are the home of the LP crowd and not for us.
If you are up to it, Krabi has one or two cheap hotels with an inhouse sexservice, no young girls, no stunners, but always willing. Find them and you'll be paying B200 a pop.

C'est tout!

Erik and Norhead,

Sorry for removing my answers yesterday, for a change I didn't mean to! I just wanted to add a little, change a little and put them together. But I guess I focus a little more than I should on the DELETE button, and it was gone...
This really is the only thing I wanted to add:
A better map of Kanchanaburi: http://kan.sawadee.com/kanmap.htm
This site (http://kan.sawadee.com) has lots of info on Kan, and as far as I could check: spot on!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Freeler
[i]Sugenman,

Forget about any of that in KohLanta, AoNang and Railai. These places are the home of the LP crowd and not for us.
If you are up to it, Krabi has one or two cheap hotels with an inhouse sexservice, no young girls, no stunners, but always willing. Find them and you'll be paying B200 a pop.

C'est tout!

Erik and Norhead,

Sorry for removing my answers yesterday, for a change I didn't mean to! I just wanted to add a little, change a little and put them together. But I guess I focus a little more than I should on the DELETE button, and it was gone...
This really is the only thing I wanted to add:
A better map of Kanchanaburi: http://kan.sawadee.com/kanmap.htm
This site (http://kan.sawadee.com) has lots of info on Kan, and as far as I could check: spot on! [/i][/QUOTE]
you wold not know the name of the hotells?

tnx Sugenman

By the way does any one know if you kan bye viagra in thailand with out a peskription over the conter?

you can buy Viagra at almost any pharmacy. I have found it at every place I looked.
Depending on your specific needs, I suggest to buy 50mg tablets that can be split in two (I have the pharmacist do this). Every person is different, but, I found that 25mg is enough to get the blood flowing.
As for price, I would expect to pay around Baht450 for each 50 mg tablet. (I forgot the exact cost).
good luck.

Chiang Rai report

I only spent one night in Chiang Rai so far, and my day was a disastrous saga of canceled flights, further delays owing to Prime Minister Thaksin's yen for airport ceremony, and utter miscommunication. As I said to the person I journeyed to meet after it became clear that we were not going to -- no sense us getting together really: why change an unmitigated disaster to a mitigated one just for the sake of appearances?

I arrived at mid-day and the person I was to meet wasn't to be found, so I decided to do a visa run to Mae Sai. I went to the Chiang Rai bus station and hopped the first one to Mae Sai, immediately making a massive mistake in where I chose to sit. Since the bus was fairly empty and ready to leave, I figured no problem, I'd just dive into the first open row. Unfortunately, the seats on this bus were far too close together for someone of my height, and I literally couldn't sit in a normal position, as my leg bone was too long to go from where I was sitting to the row in front of me. The bus also made dozens of stops along the way, picking up and depositing travelers, and before long it was packed, I had a seatmate, and I was completely packed in. (You'd think I'd know better, having been in similar positions in other countries, but I'm apparently an infinitely slow learner.) But, hey, it was 25baht.

We arrive a couple of hours later at Mae Sai, I check out of LOS and into Burma/Myanmar, and head across the bridge. Before I even made it off the bridge I was flooded with begging children who worked hard at getting their hands into my pockets (even had to tell them "no" more harshly than I've ever had to speak in LOS) and, from tuk-tuk drivers, offers of drugs and women. At this point (about 2pm) what I most wanted was lunch, so I passed by and found my way into a little literally hole-in-the-wall cafe where I had a marvelously filling meal for 60baht. I then felt a bit better and wandered back to the bazaar area and put up with being assaulted for a while. (Huge amounts of goods from the US at great prices, btw, not to mention most of the same things found in LOS.) I was tired at this point, and still hoping to hook up with my evening appointment, so I simply came back across and grabbed a songtaew back to the bus station to head back to Chiang Rai. This time I was smarter (probably because I was pretty much still in pain from the previous ride) got in early, and headed to the back where there were a few seats with good legroom. Had a nice talk on the way back with a farang retiree from Oakland who now lived in Chiang Mai and was considering a move to Chiang Rai as there was a woman there he was dating/sleeping with from one of the CR massage parlors. Never did find out which one, or get a chance to explore for one.

So back in CR I made another unsuccessful call and decided to find a place for the night. Freeler gave me a good guesthouse suggestion, but it was full, so I found a place called Boonbundan Guest House that was 200b a night for a fan-cooled room with what was promised to be hot water but was only tepid, at best. A bit run down, the plmbing needing work, but very clean and pretty spacious for the price. I'll happily stay there again.

The other advantage of this place is its location -- walking distance to the CR night market and most of the bars. I cleaned up, wandered around a bit, and had dinner and drinks at a nice little place called the Bamboo bar, run by a girl who's married to a Dutchman, her pretty 20-year old daughter, and her sister, recently come up from Korat. Talked for a bit, relaxed at last, and then headed up the road more, where I found a go-go bar whose name I forget (starts with A -- but you can't miss it with all the lights on the outside) on Phahonyothin, I believe, just a bit north of the Night Bazaar.

I popped inside and was immediately joined by a very pretty 21-year-old Burmese girl (Akha tribe) named Nuen who proceeded to make out with me for the next hour-and-a-half in return for two small glasses of coke running 50b each. She was from Mae Sai and had been in CR for two months, so she extolled the virtues I'd missed in the town. We talked price and barfine, which was stiff (bar fine 500b, short-time, meaning 4 hours 1500b) and non-negotiable in a hilarious way -- she simply pretended not to understand each time I tried to bargain or said the price was too high. I finally said no, I'm not paying that much, asked to settle the bill, and prepared to leave. She then agreed to meet me at my room after her shift ended so I'd avoid the bar fine, and stay until I told her to go in the morning for 1500b. Still too high, I think, but at this point I wanted something good to happen in the say, so I said yes. Turned out to be an absolute hell-cat and worth every baht and then some.

After I let her go the next day I hopped a bus back to CM, air-conditioned, a much easier and nicer three-hour trip for less that 150b, and since I was pretty worn out from the previous day and night I basically slept most of the way.

I really ended up giving all three places I visited short shrift, and want to head back. The good side was I got my visa renewed and had a memorable night, so that helps wash away all the rest of the annoyances, which were more circumstance that anything else.

joe,
You had a memorable night? Please explain.

juice.

Umm, you want a graphic novel? My companion made it so, basically -- great bj, active and enthusiastic as heck in bed, one of those women where everything is calculated to get a physical reaction out of you. Did that nice little trick with dragging her nails -- not too much, just enough.

Kurt:

It is the otherway round. from K-star to Korat Hotel.

Ok, I’m back at my laptop, so I can access some of the notes I took on my little portable keyboard and post them. As promised, Firedick, here are what I know about Krabi and Trang, which I’ll caution is not a heck of a lot, but since no one’s really posted much about either in a while perhaps you’ll find it useful. I’ll post some more later, as I get the time to clean up my jottings a small bit.

Krabi

I spent a whole bunch of time wandering around Krabi once it got dark and I'd gotten some food at the night market across from my hotel, but I'll be blunt -- though it's close to Phuket it's also a million miles away. If you’re at all looking for the kind of scene you find in Patong, Pattaya or Bangkok, you’ll be sorely disappointed. That said, I'll be the first to admit that there may be tons of things going on that I didn't see, as I was only there for a night, but basically the only place I found any action was on Maharat Soi 2, which I think is also called Phattana Road. (A caution that I've jotted this down two days after leaving -- it's possible I'm off a street but the general area is right.)

There was a massage parlor attached to a karaoke where it seemed like extras were probably available, given the proximity, but none of the women particularly attracted me, so I didn't inquire, though I did get a massage. I should note that I found a general lack of stunners, for those of you in search specifically of them, in Phuket, Krabi and Trang. Didn't bother me all that much, as there were plenty of women who were far more than cute enough, but if you're heading out looking for diamonds you'd best prepare to do some searching. I didn't count all the karaoke places up and down this soi in Krabi, but there were several, and they were stiff and unyielding in their prices -- 1500b ST, 3000LT was pretty much the norm, and I did my best in a couple of places to bump things down without any luck, as they just let me walk even though they were basically empty. So I walked. Finally I came to the Opera karaoke, run by a katooey so the cabaret is him going to town in your basic gay cabaret style (which I thankfully missed) and I found a few decent looking women here and a comfortable atmosphere. There was a tall girl who just couldn't sit still, bouncing around to the music, talking to everyone, mouthing the words to songs and generally forcing me to pay attention to her, so I did. Turned out she was the mamasan, Neung, twenty-four years old and a ball of fire. I decided to take her short-time even though again I couldn't move down the price, figuring at least I didn't have to pay a bar fine or hassle with the hotel, plus I was getting tired of looking and was ready for some action at this point.

Short time meant adjourning to a room on the third floor which was your basic mattress on the floor, clearly well-used, but clean and with a decent air-conditioner. Neung was as energetic here as she was downstairs, both blew (covered at her insistence) and screwed like a champ. She was somewhat concerned when I didn't finish after a long while but was game and completely up to the task, and I went away happy. She was quite surprised when I bought her a drink after we headed back downstairs and stayed to talk to her for a bit, telling me no one had done that before. Odd.


Trang

There might be a lot going on in Trang, but I had neither the time nor energy to really find it to any great extent. I stayed at the Trang Hotel, which with a few coats of paint and a truly small bit of work would be a very nice place. As it is it's a bit frayed around the edges, but the rooms are large and clean, the air works very well, and the price is reasonable at under 500baht. I was feeling a bit knackered, as the trip here was very hard on me -- supposed to be a van from 11:00 to 12:30, simple enough, ended up being picked up early and then having to wait an hour-plus in the sun outside the travel agency, melting away, for another van where I ended up packed in tight, unable to move or straighten my legs, with what passed for air conditioning essentially non-existent. Got to Trang at 2:30 hurting and exhausted, then headed to the hotel to stretch out for a few minutes. Freeler, you may be fine packed into the cheapest transport available, but it's really hard for me, at 6'2" and with less and less flexibility as I get older, to manage a lot of these trips, so it becomes a pay now or pay later scenario. And in spite of Freeler's caution that the LP crowd has now discovered Trang, of the 16 people in the van there were only myself and one Thai woman getting off -- the rest were continuing to Hat Yai. Now, it might well be that people are heading in droves now to the resort areas, as they're still nowhere as built up as many places, but around town I saw a minimal number of farangs, certainly far far less than Krabi, which is night and day from Phuket, Samui, Bangkok or Chiang Mai. Those I did see were either the backpacking crowd or what looked to be fairly long-term players with a TG in tow and an agenda in mind which did not include conversation.

I apologize, FD, that I've not got more useful info on the whole diving scene -- the places to stay around those areas fell into the outrageous price range (upwards of 2800b) for my purposes. I will say that I spoke with two Thai bargirls in Phuket who named as their dream opening a place in the Trang Andamans, but that's really the extent of my involvement there. My trip to Trang is really a small and temporary swat at a place I knew precious little about -- an "Uncertain Heart" excursion as opposed to the darker sides Skinless and Freeler champion -- sorry guys, I've definitely got a willingness to strike out into places a little off the main track, but I lack your relentless drive into the seamy side -- I just keep meeting really sweet folks everywhere, regardless of whether they're spreading their legs or not, which is one of the reasons I like coming to LOS. Yup, I'm no doubt a softie at the core, but I still know how to protect myself in the clinch.

So, after checking in and cleaning up a bit I wandered around for a while. Didn't really feel like dealing with a moto, since my back was still a pretzel, so I decided to figure out how to get to Surat Thani, check out the markets, and have a late lunch. Interestingly, the travel folks I tried both declined to book a van for me, both explaining where the minivans could be found and what they cost but neither wanting to reserve something for me. When I walked to the van place I understood why -- they wouldn't make a reservation either, telling me just to show up the next morning. Ok.

I spent several hours walking around (my general preference on these things) poking into the day and evening markets and just getting a feel for what was around me before going back to my room and taking a nap while the day's heat subsided. I woke hungry at 7pm or so, and found things had undergone that particular Thai transformation from day to evening. I seriously considered just doing room service and sleeping until morning, but felt the weight of forum expectations :), so out I went for a small while. I ended up, after walking a bit, at the Trang Southern Bar for drinks, dinner and etc. I was directed by a twenty-year-old darling named Warn (which aptly means sweet) to a seat inside where I had a basically awful meal of chicken and noodles, partly because I didn't understand that agreeing to yellow noodles meant I'd get spaghetti (and I could do a whole riff on Thais and spaghetti, but I think it falls into the general category of "hey, it's a noodle, right?) and a particularly tasteless gravy, but I was actually far overdue for an unremarkable meal here, so this falls in the category of so it goes. Warn, on the other hand, was a clearly delectable dish and her menu was made clear by the usual questions regarding wives, children, Thai girlfriends, was I staying alone and why, an offer to make my bed less empty, etc. I truly wish I'd had either the energy or time to indulge, but since I was feeling crappy and knew there is always another day in LOS, I decided to decline and head back to my hotel.

Once there I decided to have a beer before crashing (it was only 10pm) and wandered into the bar attached to the hotel, where I discovered there was a karaoke in a style very different from those in Krabi, which are basically straight-up *****houses, and more like the more genteel versions found elsewhere, (which we've not spent much time discussing here, since they generally don't fit the equation) where you pay 100b to buy flowers for the singers, and gradually work on romancing them back to your room with the promise of immensely more (and perhaps a long-time relationship.) At any rate, I spent a bit of time drinking and watching the completely Thai crowd, buying a couple of flowers for the entertainment of having the girls be mostly terrified of talking to me -- the language problem, and having to deal at all with a farang, since there simply weren’t that many around, though once one struggled though it all the others lined up to take their turns, with huge peals of laughter over what we couldn't manage to understand -- and I got an offer from a waitress to go with me after I tipped her for taking those 100b roses to the singers. Ultimately, I decided more than anything I needed sleep, and wandered off and did so -- Skinless, I admire and am cowed by your stamina, but for me, sometimes I need to wait to boink another day. I've certainly gotten more than my fair share of tail so far this trip, and it's a nice luxury to turn down available offers to do things like sleep. Perhaps I'm becoming more like Z than I think!

I gave some serious thought to sticking around another day and looking around more, but I decided to head instead to Koh Samui, as I felt like doing nothing for a couple of days other than seeing if one girl I'd failed to boink last time was still around. I also felt like seeing if my memory of the place was faulty, or if I truly did prefer it to Patong. So I got up early, another minivan ride up to Surat Thani (3 hours) a one-hour ride to the pier, and about the same over on the ferry. I think I'm going to stay here for several days, work a bit and sleep a lot and ideally get rid of the little sore throat I've picked up.


Ko Samui

Wow – what a massive and disappointing change in less than two years. I stayed in the same place I did last time, the Samui Resotel, which is on the south end of Chaweng. It was pretty much the same, some improvements actually, with the exception that they now had a sign-in process for bringing women back to your room/bungalow and an addition of 200baht per night for the privilege. I still like the place, but that does take a bit of the bloom off the rose.

Let’s see, changes. There are now at least two traffic lights on Samui, which pretty well says it all, as well as Burger King, McDonalds, Starbucks, etc. Most of the smaller Thai stands, including beer bars, along the main drag in Chaweng have been replaced by strip malls. Oh goody. Construction everywhere, and traffic a complete mess. When I was there, the 10th or so of December, plus a couple of days, it was raining like hell, which is normal this kind of year, the tourists were unbelievably cranky about it (doesn’t anyone ever look at climate maps?) It was also pretty empty as far as tourists in general, and places were going pretty cheaply.

The Reggae Bar, which has always been one of the main hotspots on Chaweng, had been closed down for a month as of two days before I arrived, as they had a girl working there who lacked both the proper identification and the age of eighteen. Truly rather idiotic at this point in things, isn’t it? Ah well. The area around the stadium was filled with tons more beer bars than used to be there, but the general quality of women was underwhelming – to the point where there was one bar where it was clear not a single one was under forty, and when that’s obvious looking at Thai women that tells you a lot. There was also simply a general dearth of women period compared to when I was there in May the last time.

I ended up stopping in at this little beer bar near the Resotel, the Rose Garden, where I’d had a good time and good relationship my last visit. There were only two holdovers I recognized, including the owner, which was a bit disappointing, as I’d hoped to hook up with this very nice albeit totally professional TG from my last visit. So be it. But my luck with this bar held, and I hooked up with Meam, a lovely little thing from just this side of the border with Laos, right next to the Mekong, twenty-three years old with a one-year-old baby back home with mom and dad. She’d spent four months with an Englishman at Koh Phranget, and was only at the Rose Garden for about ten days, according to her -- a week, according to her coworkers who I knew from my last trip. She was an affectionate little thing, though she had the frequently found Thai reluctance to blow, and after the first night she was quite concerned about her fatigue. The next night she was doubly concerned about mine, as she wore me out. I stayed with her the three days I was there, and it was time well spent, though I didn’t really get a lot of rest as she was a very avid and interested partner.

I did note that there were some nightlife changes on the main drag of things, though I didn’t indulge – a couple of karaokes and what was clearly a soapy massage place – it advertised “the most beautiful hostesses” and paino (sic.) music. The Green something or other, I believe – it’s in the middle of the beach strip, and anyone looking will have not trouble finding it.

Me, I did my pseudo rest time, mostly spent screwing with Meam and occasionally sleeping, then grabbed a flight to Bangkok for the gathering on the 13th at TLR.

More later, but as this is already my usual massive tome, I’ll stop for now.

Joe_Zop,

I know what you mean about Samui. The place has developped a lot over the last few years, at least Chaweng has.

The rest of the island is still quite laid back, and Samui remains my favorite sea,sex and sun destination.

My advice to would-be visitors is to book a room in one of the many beach resorts outside of Chaweng and Lamai. Bophut and Maenam are just fine. If one feels the need for some evening thrills, Chaweng is only 15 minutes away by car.

Obviously, if mercenary female company is required, then it is better to be closer to the center of things, unless one has a LT GFE (as I normally do).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by joe_zop
[i]...
Ko Samui

Wow – what a massive and disappointing change in less than two years. I stayed in the same place I did last time, the Samui Resotel, which is on the south end of Chaweng. It was pretty much the same, some improvements actually, with the exception that they now had a sign-in process for bringing women back to your room/bungalow and an addition of 200baht per night for the privilege. I still like the place, but that does take a bit of the bloom off the rose.
-> Them started proceeding like this three years before but if you check in your girlfriend them will not charge. But they raised price about 100% within 5 years. At the other hand the registration should rise your security. But it's still a quite place to stay. Also Try the Papillon Resort; opposite end of the beach.

Let’s see, changes. There are now at least two traffic lights on Samui, which pretty well says it all, as well as Burger King, McDonalds, Starbucks, etc. Most of the smaller Thai stands, including beer bars, along the main drag in Chaweng have been replaced by strip malls. Oh goody. Construction everywhere, and traffic a complete mess. When I was there, the 10th or so of December, plus a couple of days, it was raining like hell, which is normal this kind of year, the tourists were unbelievably cranky about it (doesn’t anyone ever look at climate maps?)
-> Rainy season seems to be pretty late this year; Chaweng had a lack of water in October where usually the rainy season starts; and in November there where a few rainy days in the second half of the month.
It was also pretty empty as far as tourists in general, and places were going pretty cheaply.
->Have you been to Tesco Lotus? I Think many small shops will close within the next few month and Chaweng / Samui will lose much more of it's charme. The area round Laem Din Market is changing very much, too. Have you been to Lamai?

The Reggae Bar, (-> Reggae PUB or BAR?? ) which has always been one of the main hotspots on Chaweng, had been closed down for a month as of two days before I arrived, as they had a girl working there who lacked both the proper identification and the age of eighteen. Truly rather idiotic at this point in things, isn’t it? Ah well. The area around the stadium was filled with tons more beer bars than used to be there, but the general quality of women was underwhelming ... There was also simply a general dearth of women period compared to when I was there in May the last time.
(This I can confirm; been there in March and in November)

I ended up stopping in at this little beer bar near the Resotel, the Rose Garden, where I’d had a good time and good relationship my last visit. ...

I did note that there were some nightlife changes on the main drag of things, though I didn’t indulge – a couple of karaokes and what was clearly a soapy massage place – it advertised “the most beautiful hostesses” and paino (sic.) music. The Green something or other, I believe – it’s in the middle of the beach strip, and anyone looking will have not trouble finding it.
-> Green Mango & Full Circle