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[QUOTE=Dg8787;1961973]A while back in the BKK forum a west coast American had posted it took him 2 weeks to adjust back to PST. Meanwhile there was no jet lag going to BKK.

I have the same problem. Going to PH requires no adjustment. First few nights in Ph I get a 2 hour in the room massages and sleep well. Prior to the massages I unload on a few girls. Maybe this routine helps a bit.

On the the return trip I find myself needling a mid afternoon 2-3 hour nap for a couple of weeks. Of course no massages and poon.

Does anyone have a routine that lessens the jet lag?[/QUOTE]No routine. The older I get, the worse my jetlag is. When I travel from America to phils, it takes 2 full weeks to get off American time and onto Phils time. When I return, it takes 3 weeks to re-adjust. If I'm only in phils a few days, I just stay on American time, sleeping during the day and staying up all night (I awake about 10 pm and go back to sleep about 2 pm). That way I'm still on American time when I return home. However, when I'm there for a month or more, I fully adjust to Asian time, then re-adjust when I return home. I have tried everything when I return home, including trying to force myself to stay awake during the daytime, and ambien-ing myself in the night to sleep; however none of this works. It takes a full week upon my return before my sleep time starts to shift towards night time (after 1 week home, about 30 minutes per day my sleep time starts to shift, first from going to sleep around 2 pm, then the next day about 2:30 pm, and so on).

I have friends who have never experienced jetlag. Amazing.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1962074]No routine. The older I get, the worse my jetlag is. When I travel from America to phils, it takes 2 full weeks to get off American time and onto Phils time. When I return, it takes 3 weeks to re-adjust. If I'm only in phils a few days, I just stay on American time, sleeping during the day and staying up all night (I awake about 10 pm and go back to sleep about 2 pm). That way I'm still on American time when I return home. However, when I'm there for a month or more, I fully adjust to Asian time, then re-adjust when I return home. I have tried everything when I return home, including trying to force myself to stay awake during the daytime, and ambien-ing myself in the night to sleep; however none of this works. It takes a full week upon my return before my sleep time starts to shift towards night time (after 1 week home, about 30 minutes per day my sleep time starts to shift, first from going to sleep around 2 pm, then the next day about 2:30 pm, and so on).

I have friends who have never experienced jetlag. Amazing.[/QUOTE]I read an article a few years ago on the bio-mechanics of Circadian Rhythms. It claimed that human bodies require approximately one day per time zone crossed to re-adjust completely. The time difference between here and the East Coast of the US is 13 hours now, which would mean a 13 day period of adjustment. I find, then when I do fly back to the States, it's much worse the older I become.

GE.

Yet another reason why I have not been back there in over 2 years.

Jet lag is a medical condition. So I have my doctor in the USA prescribe 10 MG Ambien for my long transpacific flights to ensure I get 4 or 5 hours sleep en route before arrival in SEA. Once in Manila or BKK I pre schedule a nice little reunion with one of my favorite girls. After she leaves I try to stay up to 1 am. Then to avoid a night of tossing and turning and no sleep, I take another 10 MG Ambien. Result: I am out like a light and I wake up early in the morning the next day around 7 am feeling good, raring to go. NO JET LAG! I can then sleep normally without pharmaceutical aid the rest of the trip. I repeat the process on the return flight with the same level of success. By the way GE is correct, the effects of Jet Lag can be far worse on the return flight if not treated.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1962212]Jet lag is a medical condition. So I have my doctor in the USA prescribe 10 MG Ambien for my long transpacific flights to ensure I get 4 or 5 hours sleep en route before arrival in SEA. Once in Manila or BKK I pre schedule a nice little reunion with one of my favorite girls. After she leaves I try to stay up to 1 am. Then to avoid a night of tossing and turning and no sleep, I take another 10 MG Ambien. Result: I am out like a light and I wake up early in the morning the next day around 7 am feeling good, raring to go. NO JET LAG! I can then sleep normally without pharmaceutical aid the rest of the trip. I repeat the process on the return flight with the same level of success. By the way GE is correct, the effects of Jet Lag can be far worse on the return flight if not treated.[/QUOTE]I have tried this method, of trying to ambien-ing myself to sleep around midnight (both when arriving in phils, and then arriving back again at home), for several nights running. It works per-se, in that in knocks me out for about 5-6 hours, and I awake relatively refreshed at 7 am. But by noon-2 pm I am wiped out, can't keep my eyes open, and I go right back to sleep. My sleep rhythm has been thrown off completely by adjusting to the previous time zone.

A decade ago, GE's suggested 1 day per time zone difference was about spot on. Hence a 15 (or 16, depending Daylight Savings Time) hours difference from phils to the US west coast, took me about 10 days to adjust when going to phils, and 14 or 15 days to adjust when going to the US. Older now, and that's now 14 or 15 days to adjust when arriving in phils, and 20 days to adjust when arriving back in the US. Regardless the direction (now), the first week of my arrival there is no movement on the daily schedule towards normalizing -- for about 6 days running, I will go to sleep around noon-2 pm, and awake fresh around 9-11 pm (wide awake at night, no relief without ambien). I always try to plan my arrival back in the States to allow me one extra week of vacation before returning for trabajo.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1962244]Regardless the direction (now), the first week of my arrival there is no movement on the daily schedule towards normalizing -- for about 6 days running, I will go to sleep around noon-2 pm, and awake fresh around 9-11 pm (wide awake at night, no relief without ambien). I always try to plan my arrival back in the States to allow me one extra week of vacation before returning for trabajo.[/QUOTE]The Jet Lag you describe is really uncomfortable. I hate those sleepless nights and being tired in the afternoons. I discovered a natural painless solution one trip to SEA when I arrived without my medication in Hong Kong. I transferred that afternoon to Macau. Later that same night I could not sleep. It was horrible. So after a couple of hours of tossing and turning, I put on my clothes and went out. It was after 3 am. First I hit my favorite Sauna and had a neck massage, then thigh massage (HJ), and later full service. I left the Sauna around 5 am tired, but feeling pretty good. Next, I wandered over to the Wynn Casino Hotel. The place was still busy with inveterate Chinese gamblers. I walked around the casino and eventually I went to the Wynn's Red 8 Restaurant where I ate a mouth watering BBQ Duck with spicy wonton soup. I left the Wynn around 6 am as the sun was coming up and took it relatively easy until I passed out in my hotel room around 2 pm. The next night it was the same thing. I couldn't fall asleep at an appropriate time, but rather than toss and turn I went out again at 3:30 am and hit a different Sauna. Later around 5 am I had an amazing noodle soup with spicy pork belly on the side at the Grand Lisboa noodle restaurant. I left the Grand Lisboa again as the sun was coming up. There is something about the sun that awakens one and I wandered around Macau until noon. This time I took a nap around 4 pm, woke up at 8 pm and repeated the 2 previous nights activities more or less.

My point is that slowly over time I noticed my body was acclimating to the new time zone and I could fall asleep naturally at an appropriate hour so I no longer felt tired and prone to falling asleep in the late afternoons. I believe the reason I felt no jet lag pain or discomfort on that trip was because I went with the flow and did not try to force a time change on my body. And significantly because I was in Macau, a city that does not sleep and where there is always something interesting to do at any hour so psychologically I didn't care if I was up at 4 or 5am and could not sleep. I spent 5 nights in Macau that trip. By the time I flew on to BKK, I was pretty much over the jet lag. When I arrived in BKK I was falling asleep without any medication at around 2:30 am and I was no longer walking around in the afternoon like a zombie. Getting over jet lag, naturally, takes time. Not trying to force myself to sleep when sleep was not possible and finding something worthwhile to do late at night and in the early predawn hours was very important and it made the jet lag tolerable and even a minor thing. I hope this helps.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1962074]No routine. The older I get, the worse my jetlag is. I have friends who have never experienced jetlag. Amazing.[/QUOTE]As some of you know I fly a lot sometimes more than 200000 miles a year in aircraft to which friends think I use them to commute to work LOL.

As Westie knows I don't suffer from jet lag (maybe am lucky) but my 'trick' (if it is one) is not use medicines but to 'force' my body clock into the time zone that I am to arrive in.

So say I am flying from Manila to NYC I know the time in NYC when I depart the Philippines. I then stay awake, sleep whatever as though am in NYC. I sleep when my watch tells me it is bed time in USA not wherever I am.

This can be awkward at times if transits are long and take practice but I find this work.

Recently did a 28 hour stretch on 3 planes arrived at 5 pm, went to bed 9. 30 pm and woke 6 am. Went for a swim, shops, played tennis for a few hours, dinner with friends and was feeling great and then was in bed 11 pm the next day. No jet lag. And I had a nice cutie with me also LOL.

Now as we all know in mongering YMMV and the same for this. Each person is different and some techniques work better than others as we all have different rhythms etc- for me this does and I have been doing this travel schedule over 20 years now.

Anything to do in Manila when not jet lagged?

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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1962355]..played tennis for a few hours... [/QUOTE]Hahaha, yeah. Otherwise, flying frequently enough will inure you to the worst of jet-lag.

Been to the Phils several times but not since Duturte new shoot any one laws went into effect. Is it safe to go there now? Keep hearing any one can walk up and shoot you. I really want to go but if it's that dangerous I'll just go to Thailand or Jakarta.

[QUOTE=W20415;1963421]Been to the Phils several times but not since Duturte new shoot any one laws went into effect. Is it safe to go there now? Keep hearing any one can walk up and shoot you. I really want to go but if it's that dangerous I'll just go to Thailand or Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I was there for 2-3 weeks last month. Nobody walked up and shot me, same as previous trips. YMMV.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1962418]Anything to do in Manila when not jet lagged?[/QUOTE]BD, as I am sure you are well aware, there is lots to do in Manila when you are feeling good. The question relevant to the conversation is; what to do in Manila when one is jet lagged and can't sleep. Off the top of my head I can suggest Burgos Bars up until closing time (3 am), LA Cafe (all night), and City of Dreams gambling complex (all night) for food, and possible early morning FL pickup. I am sure there are other possibilities. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=W20415;1963421]Been to the Phils several times but not since Duturte new shoot any one laws went into effect. Is it safe to go there now? Keep hearing any one can walk up and shoot you. I really want to go but if it's that dangerous I'll just go to Thailand or Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Most of the shootings takes place in squatter areas of lets say Manilas barangays and shit. If you walked in those areas pre, during or post DU30 you would most likely end up in a box anyway. Foreigners aren't reported whacked to my knowledge so far. But since I presume you will stay in touristic / sextistic areas of pines you will (most likely) be fine as long as you don't use, store or sell drugs. Happy pooing.

[QUOTE=W20415;1963421]Been to the Phils several times but not since Duturte new shoot any one laws went into effect. Is it safe to go there now? Keep hearing any one can walk up and shoot you. I really want to go but if it's that dangerous I'll just go to Thailand or Jakarta.[/QUOTE]If you think it is unsafe then it must be as nes't pas? Life as usual and people all happy that duggies are being killed it seems, so unless you wander around the bad areas don't.

And you ask a lot of questions in your 30 odd FRs even when you have visited here many times before as you have family here you said so surely they would know? Have a view? Just wondering as last time you were worried about being blacklisted etc.

Confusing me.