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Is there any FKK in Brazil?

By FKK I mean fully naked girls and amenities (sauna, hot tub etc) comparable to Germany.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2372024]I have visited the FKKs in Germany close to 15 times, and I just completed my 2nd visit to Globe. I absolutely agree with you. Globe is more expensive, but I don't think it is worth the additional money. As to eye candy, the large FKKs in Germany feature a large number of working girls, and one can find plenty of eye candy among them. No need to travel all the way to Zurich, although I liked that city.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2372118]Is there any FKK in Brazil?

By FKK I mean fully naked girls and amenities (sauna, hot tub etc) comparable to Germany.[/QUOTE]Not really. The closest thing are the termas in Rio.

Although, the word termas translates to spa that is not an accurate description. Men usually don't go to termas for the amenities. If a termas offers any amenities they usually are not that good. Weak massages, so-so steam baths. Monte Carlo offered both of these. The women also don't walk around naked.

What you typically will find is scantily-clad Brazilian women, a bar, some food, loud music and possibly a short sexy stage or pole dance by some of the girls. If you are interested in more specifics, you should inquire on the Rio de Janeiro thread.

OK I was remembering wrong. These were Boates. One was a sauna (American Bar I think is the name). All of them trash bars like I remembered, but before I remembered you could find a gem here and there. Not anymore apparently. There's a relatively new place (Casarao) on the street that I assume is the reason as it soaks up all the talent on that stretch. I ended up liking Casarao so much (it was awesome every night of the week) that it was essentially my only destination for the entire trip. Price to quality ratio was far from what I remembered of the high end shops. I found enough 8-9's to choose from in Casarao that I didn't bother even checking out the high end joints with the higher pricing structure. Scandalo / Bomboa / etc.

BTW I understand why no one answered my post here (I had a total of 1 post) . So I thought ID put up this info even though this thread got no replies before.

[QUOTE=JohnJabber;2360409]Some years ago, I forget how many (3, 5, 10? There was a string of saunas (walking distance between them) along Rua August in el Centro. I can't remember the names of them. Strangely, I can't find any mention of them on the forum and I'm sure this forum must have been the way I found them way back when. Are they still around? Any thoughts on quality / safety / etc?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2372024]I have visited the FKKs in Germany close to 15 times, and I just completed my 2nd visit to Globe. I absolutely agree with you. Globe is more expensive, but I don't think it is worth the additional money. As to eye candy, the large FKKs in Germany feature a large number of working girls, and one can find plenty of eye candy among them. No need to travel all the way to Zurich, although I liked that city.[/QUOTE]Not going to beat this topic to death in the wrong forum, but there is an element that most people miss about clubs like Globe. The reason guys visit forums like this one is a shared interest, the same is true of clubs like Globe or even a termas like Centaurus in Rio. The price limits who will be in the club and also with whom you will be sharing the women. I have friends from around the world whom I met in these places. Interestingly, rarely inside or outside the clubs do we discuss women. So, a common interest brings us together, price limits whom we will encounter but that we met in basically a brothel does not dictate the nature of our ongoing relationships. Not unlike upscale country clubs in the United States.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2371188]Honestly I do not understand why Abbobora gets so much love on this site. Is got great facilities but its more expensive and the lineup is not better than Moema Prime[/QUOTE]That is exactly my take on Abbobora. It has bigger lineup in addition to better facilities compared to Prime. Optically most of the lineup is below Prime.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2370622]When I was in scandallo, I invited a few girls that I like to sit chat and drink with me, and also got their contacts. Since I was currently with a girl in the club, I told them I will contact them the next day. One girl from Curitiba offered me 1500 for 4 hours + her other friend for 800 for 4 hours. So I kinda hit the jackpot. Another girl I contacted gave me a price of 1200 for 4 hours, before she starts work in the club. Too bad there was some communication problem as she did not know I was trying to tell her don't go to scandallo so early and spent time with me before going.

These were also without negotiations. And I did not see a need to negotiate lower. Also I don't speak much Portuguese, and people know I'm a foreigner.[/QUOTE]This is very useful info. I will definitely try during my next trip. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2369973]Like Lalabo, one of my goals with this trip is to do a little scouting. The mongering scene is Sao Paulo is large, and I admit I have sampled only a small part of it. So, I'm making sure to mix in some places I have not been to before along with others that I already know I like. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2369973]
I spent three hours hanging out at The Connection Nightclub. While there, I had three drinks and an appetizer that I shared with a girl. When I left, my final bill was 260 reals. That was about $65 for the night, plus roundtrip taxi fare at about 70 reals each way. Like I said, if I had the opportunity, I would give The Connection Nightclub another try on another night. Lots of 7's and 8's at more potentially more favorable prices than at places like Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo.[/QUOTE]Thanks for doing real scouting unearthing potential new gems. Mine was not much of scouting (maybe personal scouting for future). As it was my first trip I chose not to be adventurous, just tried the most talked about clinics and boates.

I will definitely check out Connection during my next trip.

Just wondering if everyone else has the same experience as I did here.

I speak good Spanish and can mix in enough Portuguese to have a conversation / negotiate.

Non-negotiable.

Entrance / min consumption paid on exit 60 Rs.

Exit Tax to take garota off premises other than "hotel" next door 100 Rs.

Rooms 40 min = 40 Rs. 1 HR = 80 Rs.

Chicas start out with Rs 250-300 for 40 minutes and Rs 400-500 for 1 HR. This can be fairly easily negotiated down to 200 Rs /40 min or 300 Rs / HR. Even lower is possible but starts putting them in a pissy mood.

Some of the girls will try to make you think the first tier is 30 minutes if they size you up as green. This is easy to shut down. Just correct them and say its 40 minutes.

If you want all night, get their number and followup the next day to avoid exit tax. It was fairly easy (but did take some firm negotiating) to get all nights for 600 Rs starting about 9 pm and lasting till morning wake up (9 am or so for me). For a 600 Rs all night it has to be the right night. The average garota pulls an average of 1100-1400 Rs nightly on Thurs / Fri / Sat so enticing them away from club on those nights would be pricey. Oh on the 600 Rs all nights plan on a fairly pricey meal. They're going to want to eat and it ain't going to be Burger King.

So some all in examples.

Recon. Couple of 40 minute sessions to check out talent and get phone # - (garota / room / house) 200+40+60= 300 x 2 sessions = 600 Rs ($150 USD).

All nighter two garotas - (garaotas / uber / meal) - 600*2 + 50 + 100 = 1330 Rs ($330 USD).

Hate to take up space with a non-info message, but a huge thanks for all of the trip reports and information. My first time visit is not until February and I have read back 200 pages both on this and the Rio thread. I have to now re-read them all and take notes of the procedure and costs on each location.

I have been thinking about using a guide for a day but sure would like to meet some expats too. PM me if interested.

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2371547]You should definitely consider Rio. I feel a trip to Brazil without experiencing Rio once is defeats the purpose of traveling to Brazil in the first place. Rio is very different than SP due to the Termas scene and beaches. I am only recommending you to check out the following.

1. Quatro x Quatro (aka, 4 x4).

2. Centaurus.

3. Monte Carlo.

4. Solarium, and others.

Read up in the RIO forum for other places to enjoy.[/QUOTE]I'm a huge Rio fan!

I know both SP and Rio well.

I'm not a big fan of the high end boate scene (Scandalos, etc), however, I definitely understand the attraction, especially for the monger tourist on a visit.

I'm also not a big fan of the Termas in Rio, though I go occasionally.

In both Rio and SP, I scout the Centro scene and find the hidden diamonds.

I enjoy the hunt.

In Rio I love the Cariocas; the mulata, the moreninha, the bronceada with sexy tan lines.

Both cities are great!

On a pure monger basis, yes I'm sure SP has more availability, however, I'll take Rio for overall ambience, relaxation, beach, etc.

Just my perspective from a non high end club scene type of guy.

[QUOTE=JohnJabber;2372904]Just wondering if everyone else has the same experience as I did here.

I speak good Spanish and can mix in enough Portuguese to have a conversation / negotiate.

Non-negotiable.

Entrance / min consumption paid on exit 60 Rs.

Exit Tax to take garota off premises other than "hotel" next door 100 Rs.

Rooms 40 min = 40 Rs. 1 HR = 80 Rs.

Chicas start out with Rs 250-300 for 40 minutes and Rs 400-500 for 1 HR. This can be fairly easily negotiated down to 200 Rs /40 min or 300 Rs / HR. Even lower is possible but starts putting them in a pissy mood.

Some of the girls will try to make you think the first tier is 30 minutes if they size you up as green. This is easy to shut down. Just correct them and say its 40 minutes.[/QUOTE]Very good summary, I will give feedback on some details that differ marginally from what you report. My numbers are from what I have seen there over the last 2 years. I have gone once every few months, and the last time was maybe 5 months ago, so maybe things have changed to match your numbers exactly.

Entrada: you paid 60, all usable toward consumption. They keep moving the entrada. For years it was 20 to enter with 0 of that toward consumption OR 30 to enter with all 30 in consumption. Last time I went they had raised it to 40 all in consumption. Maybe its moved to 60 but I am sure I paid no more than 40 a few months ago.

Salida / girl exit. Correct.

Rooms. Correct, with one caveat which also affects your comment about the girls negotiation.

Again, maybe its changed, but for as long as I have gone there the official times are 1/2 hour and hour. Now, you note that some of the girls say 30 minutes and some say 40 minutes, and you imply that the ones that say 30 are deceiving. In fact, the ones that say 30 minutes are being more honest than the ones that say 40 minutes. Its a real annoying thing, I agree, to hear different times from different chicks. As I understand it, having heard this from numerous girls, the official time is 30 minutes BUT the girls think they can stretch it to 40 minutes by ignoring the desk ringing the room phone for a few minutes. Now bear in mind you have to shower twice within that time. So its actually the girls that "claim" its 40 minutes that are exaggerating a bit. I think you will get the same amount of time from both the girls that say 30 and the ones that say 40. Once the desk starts ringing that phone it gets too annoying to stay longer and its time to shower. I always do an hour so I don't have too much first hand experience with the half hour "grace period".

Garotas: again maybe there has been an increase but what I was seeing routinely was the proposition 200 1/2 hour and 300 1 HR. Occasionally some would ask for 250/350 but I was never asked for more. They also don't drop lower than 150 1/2 and 250 hour, maybe 200 if you are are super charmer or they are desperate.

As for the all night, outside the club stuff, that ranges all over the price range, but your reported experience seems reasonable.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2372989]I'm a huge Rio fan!

I know both SP and Rio well.

I'm not a big fan of the high end boate scene (Scandalos, etc), however, I definitely understand the attraction, especially for the monger tourist on a visit.

I'm also not a big fan of the Termas in Rio, though I go occasionally.

In both Rio and SP, I scout the Centro scene and find the hidden diamonds.

I enjoy the hunt.

In Rio I love the Cariocas; the mulata, the moreninha, the bronceada with sexy tan lines.

Both cities are great!

On a pure monger basis, yes I'm sure SP has more availability, however, I'll take Rio for overall ambience, relaxation, beach, etc.

Just my perspective from a non high-end club scene type of guy.[/QUOTE]So do I!

In São Paulo my favorites are Tangará, near Jardins and Moema, 120 reais for a half-hour, about 25 girls available as average. And If you like nightlife go to Espaço Vergueiro on Thursdays and Fridays are the best days. 170 reais for one hour. About some 10/12 girls available.

PM for details.

ABG.

Thanks Rovnak,

From your response and reading previous reports it seems there have been some changes at Casarao. The entrada is now a 40+20.40 I think is the entrada and 20 the min consumption (or the other way around? Doorman made a big deal of pointing to the sign saying as much so apparently its new and he wants to make sure its clear on entry.

At the hotel next door they only collect the money for the room and they collect it directly from you. Everything else is strictly between you and the garota. Apparently this is new? As far as the 40 minutes issue, I asked for 40 minutes at the desk, after which they asked for 40 Rs. They never corrected me to say its 30 minutes. Cuarenta is Cuarenta in both Portugese and Spanish so I'm sure we all understood each other, and I did look at the clock start and finish on the 40 minute sessions (several times anyway) and they were indeed 40 minutes when the buzzer went off. So I was lucky (at least several times over a few weeks) or its a new structure. I did notice that the girls didn't seem to mind taking activities all the way to the buzzer and then showering. Got a few reminder buzzers during clean up but nobody seemed overly pissed about it.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2373086]Very good summary, I will give feedback on some details that differ marginally from what you report. My numbers are from what I have seen there over the last 2 years. I have gone once every few months, and the last time was maybe 5 months ago, so maybe things have changed to match your numbers exactly.

Entrada: you paid 60, all usable toward consumption. They keep moving the entrada. For years it was 20 to enter with 0 of that toward consumption OR 30 to enter with all 30 in consumption. Last time I went they had raised it to 40 all in consumption. Maybe its moved to 60 but I am sure I paid no more than 40 a few months ago.

Salida / girl exit. Correct.

Rooms. Correct, with one caveat which also affects your comment about the girls negotiation..[/QUOTE]

First of All a huge thank you to ABG, he showed me around for a few days and I thought it was easy getting around on the metro or using Uber.

I went mostly to 3 Clinicas and was TOTALLY happy with the quality of women and prices 120/ half HR 170/ full hour all gave BBBJ nothing asked they just Do it. A couple would do CIM but I was getting tired since I was travelling screwing the last 3 weeks. I went 3 different days to Tangara and loved every minute of it. It was a relaxed place and the ladies are of all types, colors and size. I went with Vanessa an older maybe early 30's blonde who was great, BBBJ and CIM total GFE, tons of kissing and touching. I had an nice connection with her. Went with Marie and she is maybe the hottest lady I saw in Brazil (SP) and yes half hour 120 reals or $30 usd. She would be a 500+ / HR lady in the US. I also saw a friend of ABG Gabrille and she is really sweet. I also had Juju who is really hot a 9 for sure and was very GFE and BBBJ also. If you can't find someone you like at Tangara then you are in trouble.

I also went to Yankin twice, really easy to get to from the metro so I liked that, had to Uber to Tangara. At Yankin they have fewer women but found a few that were very hot. I went with one mulatta (darker) lady named analuh, she was really nice and again BBBJ I don't know about CIM I think so. I also went to a 3rd Clinica Vanni Way and only went once but same as the others, but a smaller line up but still very nice looking ladies. Prices were the same as the others 120-170 HR.

Overall I really liked SP it is a first world city, it is clean the traffic is bad at rush hour but organized. They have excellent food / restaurants and the weather is ok, I think the Summer would be too hot for me. The biggest draw back is the language barrier, I speak passable Spanish, but trying to understand the spoken Portugese was hard. I have always gone to Colombia mostly MDE and hands down the clinicas in SP are WAYYYYY better than the Casa in MDE. The women are better looking way better looking and more GFE, tons of kissing and BBBJ without even asking. It is a long flight from Panama City and Colombia is much closer to Houston or PTY. The prices for food are not bad and I would do a Airbnb next trip cheaper than the hotel.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2373384]First of All a huge thank you to ABG, he showed me around for a few days and I thought it was easy getting around on the metro or using Uber.

I went mostly to 3 Clinicas and was TOTALLY happy with the quality of women and prices 120/ half HR 170/ full hour all gave BBBJ nothing asked they just Do it. A couple would do CIM but I was getting tired since I was travelling screwing the last 3 weeks. I went 3 different days to Tangara and loved every minute of it. It was a relaxed place and the ladies are of all types, colors and size. I went with Vanessa an older maybe early 30's blonde who was great, BBBJ and CIM total GFE, tons of kissing and touching. I had an nice connection with her. Went with Marie and she is maybe the hottest lady I saw in Brazil (SP) and yes half hour 120 reals or $30 usd. She would be a 500+ / HR lady in the US. I also saw a friend of ABG Gabrille and she is really sweet. I also had Juju who is really hot a 9 for sure and was very GFE and BBBJ also. If you can't find someone you like at Tangara then you are in trouble.

I also went to Yankin twice, really easy to get to from the metro so I liked that, had to Uber to Tangara. At Yankin they have fewer women but found a few that were very hot. I went with one mulatta (darker) lady named analuh, she was really nice and again BBBJ I don't know about CIM I think so. I also went to a 3rd Clinica Vanni Way and only went once but same as the others, but a smaller line up but still very nice looking ladies. Prices were the same as the others 120-170 HR..[/QUOTE]Thanks JBJ, we had a wonderful time together, I hope to see you soon, if it is anything that you need from São Paulo please call me!

ABG.