German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=MyTwoInches;2178248]Some NRW clubs keep out the undesirable riff raff customers, and that makes those clubs much better. True.[/QUOTE]Well the thing is if it is to globe service level and price, I do not mind agreeing into some mild up selling, the problem is the following below when it comes to up selling in German FKK club especially recently.

Negotiations are annoying.

Some girls sometimes ask insane price like few hundred euro per hour. But this is very rare. I never came across it but I read different numbers like 300,400 euros per one hour on forum. Maximum I came across is 200 euro per one hour, which seems to be common in palace Frankfurt, they used to ask for 150 euro per one hour, now they increased it to 200 euro.

Let say you agree to mild upsell like 150 euro per one hour. The service level is not sure thing, she will DFK etc, but over all it is not to the level of globe, where services that I experiences are secured, but for 140 chf per 30 min where 30 min is 30 min and no negotiations.

All in all, when up selling became to this spread and this level, and expected to get worst, I would prefer where they open FKK club where that is more expensive but all services are secured and delivered in more price like globe. This also keeps clients who do not want to pay up away, so less competition and relax to have sessions with stunners, unlike gt.

More reasons law or clients give to girls, more they will use it to take money out of monger, which I do not mind, I am willing to buying myself into mild up selling in exchange for service, but deliver and secure the service to level of globe is what I mean.

I am glad that I experienced German FKK where you got the whole crazy sex package for just 60 euro per 30 min for few years back in the day when I began going to German FKK at Artemis Berlin. Now these golden era is gone and big question mark whether such luck going to come back again. I may come across some girls here and there who provide like I do still at LR, and sometimes GT, but in other establishment. They are becoming like globe without secure service. If you going to upsell, then deliver the same level.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2178223]Artemis used to be really good club from 2009 till like 2015, but I stopped going there in 2015 due to same reasons as you mentioned and mostly radical decline in line up quality optically.

How did you find line up of globe Zurich? Many stunners there to your eyes?[/QUOTE]I did not find any 10's, mostly 7's, a couple of 8's.

[QUOTE=Sho423;2178321]I did not find any 10's, mostly 7's, a couple of 8's.[/QUOTE]OK, thanks man, I may add Zurich with my next trip depending on cost, so good to hear feed back that lead to more motivation to go or not to go.

Visa, economical situation of the nation and culture of nations, platform to get them to legally working nation such as Germany with FKK format etc in this case plays big role in forming prostitutes aka working girls.

But why there is such a big concentration of Romanian prostitute followed by Bulgarians.

Beside above reasons, what cause such a big domination beside what I wrote on first line, I mean there are so many other poor nations in eastern Europe and also Greece had serious problem back in early 2010's, but I never hardly spotted big concentration of girls from other nations, but Romanians and Bulgarians.

I wonder why this is. I have to say they are country with many beautiful girls, so it is the right country for many of us monger, but it is amazing how Romanians and Bulgarians dominated most of line up throughout European legal brothels.

[QUOTE=Sho423;2178321]I did not find any 10's, mostly 7's, a couple of 8's.[/QUOTE]That's disappointing to hear. Globe is my next target destination. Personal tastes aside, do you find the pictures on the site accurate?

If pictures are accurate I would rate a good amount as 8+ for body, but seeing them in person and face is very important (which many are blocking face for privacy reasons).

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2178279]A while ago, when there was a discussion about a bunch of locals who come in on Sundays, lounge around all day and night, hardly take any sessions -- I asked what is the point about wasting 50 E entry fee on lousy food and a so so pool and a loud smoky lounge, and someone (it might have been you McA -- let's face it, it is always just you and me getting into these endless wonkish discussions that have nothing to do with Ramona taking just half the dick into the mouth during BJ or Jenny arches her back too much while doing doggie, LOL-- if I have to guess, you must be doing policy or strategy analysis for a living :-) said "but the locals are not like you and me, they want to come in, relax, meet friends, eat and drink; fucking is less important to some of them".

Now, we are saying the locals want to hurry up their fucking because they don't have enough time to relax / eat / meet people, because they have a wife at home and father in law next door to the club, hence they might logically prefer the RLD over FKK.

I don't doubt there are both types of locals.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Takedown;2178284]
And yes most locals are the quick few hour types but there is a very noticeable group of lingerers that regularly occupy the same spot at clubs like Sharks, Living Room, and Golden Time.[/QUOTE]As Takedown says, the locals who linger and are attending 30 plus times a year are a small but noticeable minority. Jnpr, are you telling me that every time you attend Sharks, you recognize the eighty percent of the clientele? There was the young Turk, and the guy Siri called the Asian hermaphrodyte, and a few more. But for every one of these hardcore local Germans there are six or seven casual local German mongers who have an outside life. And these guys may attend 1-5 times a year.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2178347]OK, thanks man, I may add Zurich with my next trip depending on cost, so good to hear feed back that lead to more motivation to go or not to go.[/QUOTE]No problem, the thing I liked about Globe was the lesbian show, but 30 minutes for 140 franc, those 30 minutes goes by pretty quick. So an hour is the way to go if money isn't an issue.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2178283] how the manager is always watching, controlling the girls' behavior and how she spends her time. Girls there are on a very tight leash.[/QUOTE]I guess, but to me this whole leash idea you have at GT and Samya only makes me feel the girls are acting extra much. So the chances of getting honesty falls dramatically.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2178567]I guess, but to me this whole leash idea you have at GT and Samya only makes me feel the girls are acting extra much. So the chances of getting honesty falls dramatically.[/QUOTE]They're hookers.

Culture, norms and religious beliefs are there to withhold people from acting out on their instincts. But when you have organized stakeholders trying to uproot these barriers on a country wide basis, the threshold for acting on instinct falls. As also seen in Thailand and to some degree Germany. The only reason these countries are held back from going even further up the liberal route is the international social sphere where they are in minority, and where the brainwashed are in majority. So why do people brainwash each others into norms and belief systems? Answer: to win wars and spread ones own genes as much as possible. The rest is strategy.

[URL]http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/religion-oldest-weapon-of-mass-destruction-in-human-history/[/URL]

And so again this falls back on social anthropology. And forced brainwashing from childhood on what is right and wrong. A paradigm is hard to change.

[QUOTE=Sho423;2178532]No problem, the thing I liked about Globe was the lesbian show, but 30 minutes for 140 franc, those 30 minutes goes by pretty quick. So an hour is the way to go if money isn't an issue.[/QUOTE]Well yeah, if I find top stunner I would, but I would go one hour two cum session, I never really like too long session as it get bored a bit. 30 full min is good for me.

Lesbian show never turned me on actually, each their own, but many girl offer me in Germany as a upsell and I laugh it off LOL they are like we can do you erotic massage and lesbian show for 200 euro LOL I tell these girls, I have been in FKK for longer than you babies LOL.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2178284]I am with you on the long term trend. Prices for same service will continue to rise on average. I do have to interject that in the the short term, the price can lower the demand and thus increased the supply. This happened last year at Acapulco with girls dropping their failed BBBJ up charge. It also temporarily gave some relief at Oase 2 years ago when good service at Sharks and local boycott forced Oase girls to temporarily ease their upselling. At the very least, it forced the club to add happy hour entry and improve the food.

And yes most locals are the quick few hour types but there is a very noticeable group of lingerers that regularly occupy the same spot at clubs like Sharks, Living Room, and Golden Time.[/QUOTE]Temporary drop the up sell. Temporally is the problem part.

And I do not mind mild up sell if service is delivered, but nowadays these girls are beginning to ask for more or same price as globe Zurich. I laugh at their face.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2178530]As Takedown says, the locals who linger and are attending 30 plus times a year are a small but noticeable minority. Jnpr, are you telling me that every time you attend Sharks, you recognize the eighty percent of the clientele? There was the young Turk, and the guy Siri called the Asian hermaphrodyte, and a few more. But for every one of these hardcore local Germans there are six or seven casual local German mongers who have an outside life. And these guys may attend 1-5 times a year.[/QUOTE]I have no idea who the truly representative locals are. I see approximately 15 to 20 faces that I can recognize and have seen before. Is that too many or too few? Anyway, the statements to the effect "locals want to take quickies and attend only a couple of times a year", and "locals like to come in, relax, use wellness and not much interested in fucking" were both yours. I truly have no insight into their behavior.

This whole thing started with the forecast that prices will comes down because demand will be depeessed, and I questioned it. At least till now, I see no evidence. Whether it happens in future, who knows?! In the Hessen clubs Or Artemis which I attend occasionally, there are always so many dudes and pricing is cosnsitently moving up. Of course if I prove to be wrong and I can get bbbj, bls, and other things from a super looker on the oase kino couches for 30 Euro, I will not be upset!

Only competitive advantage German FKK now has is amount of FKK and girls, but now quality and services decreased and price increased LOL. Oh also annoying negotiation increased also without secure delivery of service sometimes.

Solution is Zurich or mildly keep on talking to German FKK management which I do between session as I do have chit chat with desk about random things in life and FKK. They sound like they do actually care in some clubs, but caring never reflect on services etc. LOL.

Nrw is still safe, Hessen is out, Artemis Berlin is out.

Why nrw is exception remained in mystery, but I clearly see differences in service level in NRW and it is not just competition as Hessen got competition too.

[QUOTE=AbcInFKK;2178522]That's disappointing to hear. Globe is my next target destination. Personal tastes aside, do you find the pictures on the site accurate?

If pictures are accurate I would rate a good amount as 8+ for body, but seeing them in person and face is very important (which many are blocking face for privacy reasons).[/QUOTE]When I went to Globe, as far as body is concerned, site photo is quite accurate meaning I did not see any fat girl or ridiculously old girls, so globe management tend to care for some direction, before I go, I was told, globe only accept natural beauty girls by working girls in Germany, so it must have been true before, but when I went I did see some silicone, but over all line up was higher than German FKK, but it was not as what I was told or expected meaning all line up being stunner, but as for body, it is pretty good, face is different to what I expected except for two girls I found there. But I went on Sunday, so low line up day I guess.