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[QUOTE=Goferring;1969892]Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a BG.[/QUOTE]There is good information in your post. Last year I took a girl from AC on a trip to Mindanao and had a wonderful time. I had met her on a previous trip before in AC.

A) She met me at NAIA and we overnighted at Victori Court, for a catchup session.

B) Prior to the trip I sent her some money so she could buy some clothes and cover her away from work expenses.

C) On the trip she had a friend to talk with.

D) By the end of a week, it was getting tiring.

I think as (visiting) foreigners we do enjoy the variety of filipina, so one girl does limit our fun threshold.

Yes, I would do this again, maybe less than one week though.

BD.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1970280]For all of you Virgin Hunters, there is an 18 year old on Seeking Arrangement selling hers for the low low price of only 4,000,000 php (80,530 USD). I'd rate her a 6-7.

Some of these girls are really out of touch with reality. Or maybe I am?[/QUOTE]Her price is not as outrageous as it seems. A lot of guys marry these so-called virgins and take them back to their homeland where community property laws allow the girl to get an automatic 50 percent of the virgin hunter's assets upon divorce. So, let's say the guy has a house and lot worth $300,000 USD, the formerly virgin ex-wife gets at least $150,000 or about 7,443,525 pesos.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1970307]There is good information in your post. Last year I took a girl from AC on a trip to Mindanao and had a wonderful time. I had met her on a previous trip before in AC.

A) She met me at NAIA and we overnighted at Victori Court, for a catchup session.

B) Prior to the trip I sent her some money so she could buy some clothes and cover her away from work expenses.

C) On the trip she had a friend to talk with.

D) By the end of a week, it was getting tiring.

I think as (visiting) foreigners we do enjoy the variety of filipina, so one girl does limit our fun threshold.

Yes, I would do this again, maybe less than one week though.

BD.[/QUOTE]I had one week with her in Angeles on a previous trip and had a wonderful time. This time one week in a condo in Manila and second week also in a condo in Boracuy. I don't dive so we went everywhere together and the latter part of week two she showed signs of becoming less cooperative. I was paying her 3 K salary per day and would not allow her to use the phone in my presence. So, no appointments with Johns or romantic conversations with them. She interacted well with other couples so we had no problems socially as I introduced as my girlfriend. In Emails I expressed annoyance at her lack of cooperation but she assured me that she had done that unknowingly and she will be better. In February 2017, I plan 3 weeks with her and I hope I am not pushing it. My thanks to the OP for making me aware of the pitfalls and I plan to be more assertive this time.

With interest reading BM Goferring's post. Interesting and educational to new BMs.

Bringing a girl on a trip is really a hit and miss. Even if you try screen the girl out prior to leaving together my strong point is "WTF are we going to talk about now"? These last words was exactly my thoughts bringing my first girl on a 4 days to Boracay a few years back. Even though she wasn't a bar girl or a FL (at least she didn't come forward as one) as she worked in perfumery I found out our world collided after a day or two. I am used to only 2-3 hrs encounters with Phil girls, then switch, because then one don't run out of common phrases or polite shit to cover the off session time. This problem really did arise after a day or two.

On my actual trip the girl was nice and very playful. No problem there. But as long as one can't do naughty biz 24/7 one need to do some general banter once in a while. One could of course choose to go the odd silent way, fine by me, but at least this girl seemed afraid from silence bla bla blaing all the time. Well after a while I was tired from discussing Korean soap stars, Phil got talent and how great phil food is (I hate that crap, my personal meaning). I found playing cards was a great timepasser (reversed dresspoker after session to make it interesting). I don't say I am the best educated guy out there and I don't need to debate world politics or environmental issues but some general knowledge of how things works outside Phils would be nice. Except from some moaning I was quite for the last 2 days, throwing in a "yes" here and a "no" there (even a "maybe" at times). I had my Ipad and she her phone / TV. Saved me (us).

All my mistake and I don't blame the girl at all. In fact I put all the blame on myself. She did her best and was a good bed performer and actually a nice girl. If I knew what I know today and could do it all over again, I would tell her to bring a friend and store them over in their own room. Aftermath; I did a couple of trips with better results bantering. I guess I am not a small talker after all. I am back doing the 2-3 hrs routine.

Can someone please explain how to do this. I have a regular FB account, that I use for friends and family and when I try to make a fake (2nd) account FB LE voids it. Can't seem to find any instruction online or on ISG for that matter how to do this. I'd really appreciate it if someone has some tips. Or a link.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1970321]Her price is not as outrageous as it seems. A lot of guys marry these so-called virgins and take them back to their homeland where community property laws allow the girl to get an automatic 50 percent of the virgin hunter's assets upon divorce. So, let's say the guy has a house and lot worth $300,000 USD, the formerly virgin ex-wife gets at least $150,000 or about 7,443,525 pesos.[/QUOTE]Certainly not true in America. Wife is only entitled to half of earning and property acquired after the date of marriage. Only way that can happen is if dumb shit agrees to it in writing before or after marriage. People hear these bull shit ex-husband tales of woes and pass it along. Please check the laws first.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1970321]Her price is not as outrageous as it seems. A lot of guys marry these so-called virgins and take them back to their homeland where community property laws allow the girl to get an automatic 50 percent of the virgin hunter's assets upon divorce. So, let's say the guy has a house and lot worth $300,000 USD, the formerly virgin ex-wife gets at least $150,000 or about 7,443,525 pesos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1970459]Certainly not true in America. Wife is only entitled to half of earning and property acquired after the date of marriage. Only way that can happen is if dumb shit agrees to it in writing before or after marriage. People hear these bull shit ex-husband tales of woes and pass it along. Please check the laws first.[/QUOTE]Must agree with DG. Those stories of the ex taking everything are from 20+years ago. Marriage / divorce laws are set by each state (not the federal government), but I'm no longer aware of states that have any laws pertaining to everything one person owns. States use community property laws, which consider property acquired during the date of marriage to the "effective date of separation" (not the date of divorce, which might be years later). The 'property' can be many things (real estate, income, etc) and generally excludes some things in different states (gifts and bequeaths). Have had 2 friends get divorced (9 and 13 years together with wives) from their (Russian) wives in 2 different states here in the last 2 years, and the same community property laws applied (the 2 wives get a monthly spousal support check for a period of time, several years, then it stops).

The concept of your spouse being entitled to *everything* seems to be fairly engrained. He / she is entitled to half off any marital property (or the value of it) gained only during the time of marriage. One of my buddies who is currently married to a Russian gal was quietly planning to divorce her a few years back. He was convinced that her family's estate (in Russia) was fairly massive, and even though they had been married only 2 years, that he was somehow entitled to half of it. I asked him to contact an attorney (he did), and he was sorely disappointed to find that he was not going to get anything from her side (she never worked during the marriage, and provided nothing to the community) and he might have to give her a small monthly spousal support from his retirement and also one of their 2 older vehicles. This idea is SO engrained, that recently the same gent told me over coffee: "You know, if Tatiana were to die, I would get half of her parents estate". Really! Is that in her parents will (they are still alive) or Tatiana's will? "No. There is no will. I am her husband. Naturally it would come to me when she dies. Right?" Jesus guy, please see your lawyer again. Should the parents die (not his wife), their estate would go to their multiple children, and your wife would get a share. Any share your wife received is not considered 'community' in the community property (as it is a bequeath) of your state, unless she includes it to her husband in her trust / will upon her death. The attorney gave him the same information. Interestingly the Russian wife was his retirement plan (which I was not aware of when I was a groomsman at their wedding). Later he shared with me his unhappiness in the marriage, saying she was supposed to work and supplement his income, but she refused to work once she was here in the States. He was also counting on her family's estate. Now they are stuck on his $1500/ month retirement. She too contacted an attorney (I found out from one of her Russian friends) and was sorely disappointed in her divorce prospects.

You can use a different email address / username and phone number for verification.

[QUOTE=GoldMembr;1970439] I have a regular FB account, that I use for friends and family and when I try to make a fake (2nd) account FB LE voids it. Can't seem to find any instruction online or on ISG for that matter how to do this. I'd really appreciate it if someone has some tips. [/QUOTE]

Pre-nup boys. If you are American and considering marriage please be sure to get a pre-nup. If she objects, it's a red flag. A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Is she going into marriage thinking it will fail? Educate yourself on the legal process. She must have her own lawyer. It's beneficial to video tape the signing, with both lawyers there and both parties indicating that they are signing willingly. Pre-nup boys.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;1970729]A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Is she going into marriage thinking it will fail?[/QUOTE]Is the man?

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;1970729]Pre-nup boys. If you are American and considering marriage please be sure to get a pre-nup. If she objects, it's a red flag. A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Is she going into marriage thinking it will fail? Educate yourself on the legal process. She must have her own lawyer. It's beneficial to video tape the signing, with both lawyers there and both parties indicating that they are signing willingly. Pre-nup boys.[/QUOTE]Good advice for those with a pot to pixx in. Otherwise save the money for her green card.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1970328]All my mistake and I don't blame the girl at all. In fact I put all the blame on myself. She did her best and was a good bed performer and actually a nice girl. If I knew what I know today and could do it all over again,.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Choose your travel pet carefully and with simple criteria: someone you can get along with. Just like you choose companions to befriend in ordinary situation. Unless, of course you only do short time hookers because you have nothing for personality, then trying to buy a girlfriend you only get what you deserve.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1970502]Must agree with DG. Those stories of the ex taking everything are from 20+years ago. Marriage / divorce laws are set by each state (not the federal government), but I'm no longer aware of states that have any laws pertaining to everything one person owns. States use community property laws, which consider property acquired during the date of marriage to the "effective date of separation" (not the date of divorce, which might be years later). The 'property' can be many things (real estate, income, etc) and generally excludes some things in different states (gifts and bequeaths). Have had 2 friends get divorced (9 and 13 years together with wives) from their (Russian) wives in 2 different states here in the last 2 years, and the same community property laws applied (the 2 wives get a monthly spousal support check for a period of time, several years, then it stops).

The concept of your spouse being entitled to *everything* seems to be fairly engrained. He / she is entitled to half off any marital property (or the value of it) gained only during the time of marriage. One of my buddies who is currently married to a Russian gal was quietly planning to divorce her a few years back. He was convinced that her family's estate (in Russia) was fairly massive, and even though they had been married only 2 years, that he was somehow entitled to half of it. I asked him to contact an attorney (he did), and he was sorely disappointed to find that he was not going to get anything from her side (she never worked during the marriage, and provided nothing to the community) and he might have to give her a small monthly spousal support from his retirement and also one of their 2 older vehicles. This idea is SO engrained, that recently the same gent told me over coffee...[/QUOTE]It is surprising that he was able to afford a Russian bride on his meager pension of $1500. That is not very far from the poverty line. Expecting his Russian bride to work and finance his retirement was a harebrained idea. It is not surprising that they both were unhappy in the marriage as both expected a free ride.

It seems like the men in your examples were poor and barely surviving even before marrying their Russian brides and not aspiring to improve their financial situations via other means than marriage. They had nothing to lose.

In cases where men actually have something to lose like a house and substantial assets and income, the odds of the woman getting the marital home are greatly increased if she is mail order bride who has children in the marriage. Divorce courts will put the interest of the children ahead of any rights and entitlements the man might think he has in the marital home. He also gets the benefit of paying child support in addition to alimony.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1970800]It is surprising that he was able to afford a Russian bride on his meager pension of $1500. That is not very far from the poverty line. Expecting his Russian bride to work and finance his retirement was a harebrained idea. It is not surprising that they both were unhappy in the marriage as both expected a free ride.

It seems like the men in your examples were poor and barely surviving even before marrying their Russian brides and not aspiring to improve their financial situations via other means than marriage. They had nothing to lose.

In cases where men actually have something to lose like a house and substantial assets and income, the odds of the woman getting the marital home are greatly increased if she is mail order bride who has children in the marriage. Divorce courts will put the interest of the children ahead of any rights and entitlements the man might think he has in the marital home. He also gets the benefit of paying child support in addition to alimony.[/QUOTE]I think the guy married the Russian bride before retirement and she would be an extra pension fund for him.

Mail order brides do not have any more or less rights, with or without children than any other divorcing person.

You are wrong that the courts will place children's interest over and above the pre-existing marriage right to property and assets. Prior assets will remain sole and separate property as long as it is not co-mingled with community funds or assets. Period. It would be wise to get an appraisal to establish the value of assets prior to marriage.

Best to consult with an attorney over real facts than to generalize and promote woeful ex-husbands tales.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;1970729]Pre-nup boys. A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Pre-nup boys.[/QUOTE]Remember also that you cannot disinherit your wife. A will that tries to do it will not be enforced. Thus you may be worth more dead than you are alive. It won't take much encouragement for Cuja Renato to do away with you on a trip back to visit the inlaws knowing that he can hit up the newly minted widow for the cost of that expensive medical treatment he needs. I wouldn't marry a Filipina for love nor money.