German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2179690]In principle, we can't simply say it is market supply and demand if they have minimum prices, which can be lower, no matter how bad the demand is. It is just not market supply and demand as we understand it in economy.[/QUOTE]If all looks and service was equal, but obviously they're not. There's the 'looks to service' ratio to factor in. Phrasing this carefully; some girls attractiveness would not warrant the 50 E minimum of 'standard' service hence they have to provide a higher standard of service to compete with the more attractive girls.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2179693]They only ask for what they think they can get. I don't believe any girl is going to completely price herself out of the market on principle. The reason for this '100%' inflation is the fact that some mugs are actually paying it.[/QUOTE]
Citizen,

I agree. Girls will ask for what they can get and see what happens. Girls can ask for it and will try it since the name of the game is to get what you can from a guy since there is no come back later.

Some girls are left on the sidelines unemployed since they have priced themselves out as they say they will not do this or that for a 50 note. There are many that fall into this category. No DFK, no ball licking, no rimjob, no DATY for a 50 note session. That is pricing themselves out of that price bracket.

As for the mugs that pay the increase to 100 for a 30 minute basic session that ends up being 15 minutes. Here are some anecdotes:

A few years ago I knew Dutch in Golden Time who would pay the girls 60 bucks for half a hour as they believed that via sentiment that 50 bucks was too low. That sentiment and pricing may have gone up for this group in that time.

Just like there are guys in the Hessen clubs known for paying 70 bucks for half hour since once again they feel that the value of a 50 note was not what it was before. 20 euro extra men.

Then there are Americans that tip anyway since it is part of their understanding of service culture. It becomes the new price unofficially.

That sentiment does not justify the inflation if the inflation over the last 16 years is only 30% averaging around 2% a year but really I do not feel like it is 30% when I look at the price I pay for things and we are not talking about sex services but normal groceries and household products.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2179691]From what I hear, 100 does not buy you what it used to, especially on busy nights. All I am really talking about is whether there is a tipping point, where mongers start exploring alternatives. The rates you mention can be juxtaposed with Bfsie's report farther down on this page about a pregnant German 18 year old working at an apartment for 120 E /60 min with DFK included. Presumably, he didn't have to pay an entry fee to see this German WG. And the receptionist probably also took a more active interest in ensuring that he left happy.[/QUOTE]McAdonis,

There is a tipping point. My colleagues and I do talk about this each visit when we meet as we ponder the meaning life, the answers to the world and how to get a decent blowjob without a condom.

I did not have these feelings or sentiments before but more and more I get the feeling there are alternatives. Add me to the statistics that you are compiling as in that camp.

I know there are codgers talking of the Americas or the Spains and for all I know even Greece was mentioned.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2179706]McAdonis,

There is a tipping point. My colleagues and I do talk about this each visit when we meet as we ponder the meaning life, the answers to the world and how to get a decent blowjob without a condom. [/QUOTE]Getting a decent blowjob without a condom from beautiful stunner is the meaning of life, preferably in open air like the GT summer garden LOL!

Good food, good sex with best girls, good house, good car, good traveling, good bank account balance and good health, good pet, good freedom, I cannot ask for more in life.

Getting BBBJ from stunner is one of central core of meaning of life.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2179690]In principle, we can't simply say it is market supply and demand if they have minimum prices, which can be lower, no matter how bad the demand is. It is just not market supply and demand as we understand it in economy.[/QUOTE]Wages are often determined by surpluses or shortages of skilled workers. People who work in professions where there is a shortage: healthcare, technology, engineering, have probably been seeing steady pay increases. People in professions where their is a skill surplus probably haven't seen much in terms of wage increase.

Just because some of us are lucky to be in white-collar in demand professions, the reality is wage stagnation has been a problem in many developed countries:

"In America, median wages have been stagnant for more than 40 years. In Japan and Germany, it's been 20 years without a pay rise. And it's a global problem. Wage growth has been weak around the world for nearly a decade In Britain in particular, wages fell very dramatically. There was a more than 10% fall of real wages in the six years after 2008. " [URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35709058[/URL].

WGs easily were making 10 x what they make back home. Now it is maybe 8 x. They are still better off than most workers.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2179703]Citizen,

I agree. Girls will ask for what they can get and see what happens. Girls can ask for it and will try it since the name of the game is to get what you can from a guy since there is no come back later.

Some girls are left on the sidelines unemployed since they have priced themselves out as they say they will not do this or that for a 50 note. There are many that fall into this category. No DFK, no ball licking, no rimjob, no DATY for a 50 note session. That is pricing themselves out of that price bracket.[/QUOTE]I think some of it comes down to bragging rights with the other girls too. They'd all love to rush back into that changing room and tell everyone they just got 300 euros for a 5 minute handjob.

It comes back to the 'looks:service' ratio thing. A girl gets overpaid for a low level of service therefore (in her mind at least) she must be very attractive.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2179711]WGs easily were making 10 x what they make back home. Now it is maybe 8 x. They are still better off than most workers.[/QUOTE]Yes but, just like us, the rose-tinted glasses go on and it's "not like the good old days of FKK"!

Plus, nobody likes to go backwards financially.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2179711]Wages are often determined by surpluses or shortages of skilled workers. People who work in professions where there is a shortage: healthcare, technology, engineering, have probably been seeing steady pay increases. People in professions where their is a skill surplus probably haven't seen much in terms of wage increase.

Just because some of us are lucky to be in white-collar in demand professions, the reality is wage stagnation has been a problem in many developed countries:

"In America, median wages have been stagnant for more than 40 years. In Japan and Germany, it's been 20 years without a pay rise. And it's a global problem. Wage growth has been weak around the world for nearly a decade In Britain in particular, wages fell very dramatically. There was a more than 10% fall of real wages in the six years after 2008. " [URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35709058[/URL].

WGs easily were making 10 x what they make back home. Now it is maybe 8 x. They are still better off than most workers.[/QUOTE]No matter what people say, the principle is the principle. When you have minimum prices, which can be lower, no matter how bad the demand is, it is not market supple and demand as we understand (or people define) it in economy. It is easy and simple, period.

I will be spending a full night / day at FKK Colloseum at the end of this month. Not a log of info on this venue here.

Can someone recommend a German board where they review the girls?

Thanks!

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2179747]I will be spending a full night / day at FKK Colloseum at the end of this month. Not a log of info on this venue here.

Can someone recommend a German board where they review the girls?

Thanks!

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE][URL]http://huren-test-forum.lusthaus.cc/forumdisplay.php?f=312[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2178690]Only competitive advantage German FKK now has is amount of FKK and girls, but now quality and services decreased and price increased LOL. Oh also annoying negotiation increased also without secure delivery of service sometimes.

Solution is Zurich or mildly keep on talking to German FKK management which I do between session as I do have chit chat with desk about random things in life and FKK. They sound like they do actually care in some clubs, but caring never reflect on services etc. LOL.

Nrw is still safe, Hessen is out, Artemis Berlin is out.

Why nrw is exception remained in mystery, but I clearly see differences in service level in NRW and it is not just competition as Hessen got competition too.[/QUOTE]You can find super sexy girls at Globe with behavior in bed or even in club to make you feel they are in love for you, but girls are at Globe to make big money, some clients are big money, and public sex killed my GFE illusion for Katalina, even she returned to me when she saw me after 1 year. She never forgot how I treated her at Sharks, she was my GFE illusion at Globe, but when I saw her in public sex, not anymore illusion for me, so I didn't follow her when she went for diner, I let her go diner alone. She made me dream with her elegance and charm, until I saw her like this. That's Globe, beauties even too many silicon now, excellence for girls behavior, but vulgarity for public sex, and Tuesday is for voyeurs about public sex in the afternoon, then rooms are closed in the afternoon, only public sex, so for sure no GFE illusion possible. Globe worth for me when I m in my mountains, or when castings in Germany are down, but Germany is a better playfield for GFE illusion, just have to find a elegant beauty with charm and good manners, difficult to find a new one on 2018, I knew I lost my best FKK girl when I stopped with her on October, because no more GFE illusion due to her public behavior. I search in deep Germany to find my new Eve. I found a real Romanian beauty on this Saturday, of course I would have to explain her how to take care to shave, for her feet and nails, but she didn't worth in bed, but as said Jasmin, 35 yo Moldavian, a real woman with charm, even not anymore so firm body, I give so much love for my way for sex, then I m dangerous because I know how to get what I want from girls, this is interesting game fo GFE illusion. Best is to find a arrogant beauty look, not busy, and to treat her like a woman princess, then usually it works.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2179505]
But I must concede that BJs were all covered. I did not bother to negotiate on this as I was headed to Bernd's the following evening where I know I will get everything I want.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. Good way to look at it from another angle like ' averaging out. ' I like Mainhatten still, although I tend to get lucky there I will take on the risk of a CBJ as my cock is usually already hard anyway by time they touch it and just as you know the next day you will be satisfied with what you desire at Bernd's it is the same with me. I know the next day (if end of trip all the preceding days) I will be with Gypsies who will provide me too with everything I want (and hopefully nothing I do not want).

So looking at it from your angle is a good way. I can survive for a night or two there, I get BBBJ 4 X-5 X a week at home and 100 percent of the time at DayCare and despite what is posted at times I find both Sharks / Oase are fully loaded up with girls giving 50 e rooms with BBBJ, have to hunt but it is all over. So a night off at 'FKK CBJ' is ok with me.

Hope you enjoyed Bernd's :D

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2179677]Even workers in normal jobs do not have 100% utilization. Are you saying that there is no chit chat, blah, blah, blah, no breaks, no lunch breaks, no meetings that do not end up concluding anything? That is, in your work, can you honestly say that you are working for every minute of the day performing value add?

What you are talking about now is productivity. If your workers provide low productivity then their wage growth is low meaning you can always get more workers instead of investing in infrastructure. When worker productivity improves or workers become less in number then wage growth accelerates. Supply and demand.[/QUOTE]Quite right Bitumen. Well put.

As you astutely observed, even in white collar non hourly jobs, there can be lots of downtime. Our wages are determined taking all these productivity issues into consideration.

And there are several dozens of professions where a worker who hung out own shingle can have downtime -- a lawyer, a private practitioner physician, an electrician, a plumber, any free lance entertainer, yadda yadda. If you work for yourself in any service sector, you run the risk of having downtime. A high priced lawyer may charge $500 an hour, and if he has a couple of dry days won't necessarily cut his fee to $300 *immediately*. He would, if the dry spell continued for a long time. And that's the key -- the response to the reduced or increased demand is not adjusted on a microsecond basis, but over time it will. So, if a girl is consistently getting no business in the club and can't even cover the entry fee with her earnings she will, over time, adjust and offer BBBJ and DFK or whatever else to gain some additional customers if she is smart; and if she is too dumb she will not adjust, see her wallet get totally emptied and can't even pay the entry fee, desperately hit a few of her ex-customers on Social media for help, and when that too fails, will be forced out of profession (she will call it "retired".

In all this, supply / demand is working just fine. Not on a microsecond to microsecond, but in the intermediate to longer term, very surely it does.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2179723] When you have minimum prices, which can be lower, no matter how bad the demand is, it is not market supple and demand ....[/QUOTE]


If we simply fixate on the 50E number and don't consider what you get in return, we are not even talking the same language. Price calculation has a numerator and denominator -- what you gave out and what you received in return. To simply focus on the numerator, i.e 50E and ignore what you receive in return --- well, this does not imply price is stable over time.

Think of airlines.

Say, an airline kept the fare unchanged to $500. But where they used to serve a full meal and drink, they gave peanuts and water. And then that too went out. Leg room shrunk from 24 inches to 18 inches to 12 inches. Seat width shrunk horribly, and if you are unlucky to be obese and in the middle seat you will feel like that al Qaeda guy tortured in Guantanamo. Used to have 2 bags check in, then one then none, and now pay $50 for a cabin bag. In flight entertainment. Gone. You can think of a dozen other things which were included and for which you have to pay.

Do we think effective price has not changed even if the headline number stayed relatively constant?

Hi,

I will be travelling for 2 nights (landing in FRA) and I would like to visit 2 or 3 clubs in the area surrounding the 3 cities. I haven't booked accommodation yet so I don't mind sleeping in one of the above 3 cities, my flight back is from FRA however. Also I will use public transportation only and ICE of course if necessary.

Could someone recommend me the 3-4 best clubs in the 3 cities area except for Sharks and Palace in Darmstadt and Frankfurt?

Thanks!