American Politics

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2752360]What I wrote is original content from my experience in the industry.

EhiTooms, PVMonger and you accept what you read and hear in the left of center media without critical analysis. And you believe that links to pontifications of people who think exactly like you do proves you're right. And you demand we provide links to prove our point. What do you want, a Breitbart for every Intercept? Research papers with footnotes? If you don't know that China's building lots of coal fired power plants, or you don't believe GDP or inflation numbers, then instead of asking for links, do some research.

I'm left shaking my head at some of the requests for links. For example, anyone who knows much about energy knows that China is building coal fired power plants.

But maybe you're right. If I'd provided Tooms a link to the definition of the word "or" in advance of saying that the Labor Force Participation was absolutely, undeniably down under Obama, maybe it would have prevented a misunderstanding.

As to the rest of your post, I already addressed most of your misconceptions so don't see any point in doing it again..[/QUOTE]We want sources because without sources anybody's post is mere opinion. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but they are not entitled to their own facts. So if you want to demonstrate you superior knowledge of a subject, provide a source.

What is a source? Any source from the middle should be acceptable. As well as industry-specific publications. [URL]https://adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Spidy;2752589]Since this is a political discussion group (located in a Sex Forum), you should by now realize, even those with experience in said fields of industry/business are very often going to get push back, perhaps more so, because of said bias. Also realize, [b]when things become politicized[/b], wrightly or wrongly, is when, even "experience" gets pushed aside.



Again, personally for me, it's not about ME being "right" or YOU being "wrong". More often than not, I have opposing political opinions, views and beliefs and provide them as counterpoints, to your political arguments, most times they may not align, sometimes they do.

Since the right-wing media infrastructure/block, has 1500+ English and 300+ Spanish radio stations across America and of course blanket Nationwide coverage of Fox News
(I am not entirely sure), but a conservative estimate, puts right-wing distribution of propaganda, maybe about 15:1 right vs. left radio stations. As well as a vast right-wing internet and social-media influence, online.

Right-wing PAC, dark money groups, special donors and right-wing billionaires pumping millions/billions into legal political bribery (thanks to a right-wing POTUS 1972) on the right, far out paces anything on the left. The fact that Repubs, are constantly "banging their drums" and messaging through this massive right-wing media block, it's a wonder at all, those of us with an opposing opinions on the left, get heard.

And you think, those on the left, are the ones that are brainwashed, or should I say, [i] "...accept things without critical analysis".[/i]



I didn't demand anything. I asked a simply a question. Show me where I disputed China's stance on coal. I primarily highlighted China's impressive march toward more cleaner energy solutions.

As I told another BM:

Sorry I don't believe everything I hear on right-wing media and I didn't go to Trump University.

So unless your calling BMs suckers, I'll continue to ask for references, should I think it's appropriate. And no doubt I'll get the standard QAnon/Repub/Bothsidesist reply of [b]"Google it!"[/b] or [b]"Do the research, man!" [/b]

So if we DO NOT included links to articles/references, does that mean we are "MORE" believable?


Sure in the short term they should. In the long term not so much. It will be the US, who's caught with its pants down, going forward, if we don't get our act together on cleaner renewables and electrification of the US.[/QUOTE]Massive right wing media conspiracy, haha! I don't know about cable service where you live, but all I have on the right is Fox. MSNBC on the left is more extreme than Fox, while CNN, also on the left, is in the same league with Fox in terms of level of partisanship. The networks, NBC, ABC and CBS, are somewhat left of center.

At the party level, Democrats and Republicans raise about the same amount of money:

[URL]https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.php?cmte=&cycle=2022[/URL]

At the candidate level I believe Democrats raise more, although I don't have a hallowed link to support that.

You conveniently fail to mention all those left wing billionaire campaign donors. Democrats now make greater use of dark money than Republicans:

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/29/us/politics/democrats-dark-money-donors.html[/URL]

On China, here are more hallowed links, related to your belief that China is making great strides in renewable energy:

[URL]https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/[/URL]

[URL]https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa/[/URL]

In the last 15 years, USA emissions are down from about 7.4 billion tons per year to 6.3 billion tons in 2021. That's thanks largely to the substitution of natural gas, produced by American oil companies, for coal. The same oil companies that some constituencies of the Democratic Party want to put out of business for their "lies." Meanwhile, China's emissions of GHG's have risen from 8.5 billion tons per year to 13 billion tons per year.

Also, Tooms, if you read this, look at the great strides made by President Trump at the end of his term! In the last year of his administration, green house gas emissions fell by almost 10%! If we'd kept that up, emissions would be down to about 1 billion tons by 2040, just 14% of the level fifteen years ago!

Unfortunately Biden and Democrats were elected in 2020. And you know what happens under Democrats. The whole world falls apart. We're in the middle of the Biden Recession. The Biden Inflation is the highest since 1981! And still CO2 emissions are going up! Biden's going to destroy the world as we know it!!

BTW Spidy, I have no idea what a BM is. Bowel movement? Please speak English.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2751784]Ass kicking? Really?

Who was the person who commented on the post as if it was [B]real news[/B]? Not me. You didn't even know that the site that the OP copied-and-pasted from (without citation I might add) was even satire. If you had, you'd have commented differently. But sure, believe what you want to believe.[/QUOTE]

PVMonger, since you have a tough time realizing what's satirical and what's real without checking your "sources", I'll save you some time. What I posted above about Trump and Biden is 100% sarcasm, aimed at EhiTooms. The "Trump Pandemic" was Toom's brainchild.

I think she could make a fine VP for our Lord and Savior.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/10/11/tulsi-gabbard-announces-shes-leaving-the-democratic-party/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2752607]Massive right wing media conspiracy, haha! I don't know about cable service where you live, but all I have on the right is Fox. MSNBC on the left is more extreme than Fox, while CNN, also on the left, is in the same league with Fox in terms of level of partisanship. The networks, NBC, ABC and CBS, are somewhat left of center.

At the party level, Democrats and Republicans raise about the same amount of money:

[URL]https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.php?cmte=&cycle=2022[/URL]

At the candidate level I believe Democrats raise more, although I don't have a hallowed link to support that.

You conveniently fail to mention all those left wing billionaire campaign donors. Democrats now make greater use of dark money than Republicans:.[/QUOTE]I know what is satire and what is not. It is [B]you[/B] that can't tell the difference.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2752591]Finally! Now, please point me to where in your list it states "the Thai Government". I've read the list several times and I couldn't find "the Government" listed anywhere. I couldn't find "the King" listed either.

Just as the Thai government isn't completely responsible for inflation in Thailand (or Thighland as Donnie the Dumbass calls it), President Biden isn't completely responsible for inflation in the USA.

Imports cost more, primarily because of the cost of shipping. Thailand is a big tourist destination but not as big as the USA ($15 BB vs $84 BB). [URL]https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/ST.INT.RCPT.CD?locations=TH[/URL] But the per capita figures show the USA only about 10% higher. As I recall, the Fed didn't raise interest rates much either initially. And, yes, supply chain glitches and shortages are still with us. So all of the factors that you listed are exactly the same for the USA. As they are with almost every other country in the world.[/QUOTE]I agree with your first two paragraphs completely. Kudos for not taking Tooms' low road and blaming inflation in Thailand in October, 2022, entirely on Donald Trump. Like Michelle Obama and me, you took the high road.

Your third paragraph contains a few misconceptions and fallacies. The appropriate way to look at tourism as to its effect on the economy of Thailand versus the USA is as a percent of GDP. If your numbers are correct, tourism accounts for 17% of Thailand's GDP and 0.4% of the USA's GDP. For a long while it was much easier traveling to the USA than Thailand. You didn't have to quarantine if you came to the USA.

Prominent Democrat economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman agree that the Democrats' ill conceived $1. 9 trillion American Rescue Plan (ARP) supercharged inflation. From the time that Biden's $1400 per person checks hit peoples' mailboxes, inflation started its steady March upwards in the USA. And yes, inflation in certain European countries now, at this point in time, is comparable to current inflation in the USA. However, it was slower developing in Europe, because Europe didn't have the massive, overdone stimulus in 2021, that we did because of the ARP. Furman says as much on his Twitter feed. The fact that, say, UK inflation is NOW as high as ours doesn't do much for the American workingman. The American is farther behind the eight ball, because of lost purchasing power in 2021 and the first quarter of 2022. For example, at 7/31/2021, YoY CPI inflation was only 2% in the UK. It was 5.4% in the USA.

As Furman put it, according to the Washington Post,

"The USA Fiscal response in 2020 was among the largest in the world. It was comparable to, or slightly smaller than, the responses in a few other countries like Germany and Canada, but roughly the same. The fiscal response in 2021 so far in the United States is massively larger than what any other country has done to date or is currently discussing."

Furman, if you've forgotten, was chairman of Obama's Council of Economic Advisors.

Do a search on my username and "Summers" for similar thoughts expressed by Clinton's Secretary of the Treasury and Obama's Director of the NEC, Larry Summers.

And no, Biden and the Democrats aren't entirely responsible for inflation in the USA. Like Thailand, you can blame central bank policy and supply chain glitches too. Commodity prices were a factor, but thanks in part to the strong dollar, that's not necessarily still the case.

I'd even go so far as to admit the Fed should shoulder more of the blame than Biden for inflation in the USA. It'll be a cold day in hell before Tooms admits something similar about Bernanke and George W. Bush and the 2008/2009 recession.

[QUOTE=Canada;2752127]Republicans and all intelligent people know Biden is the dumbest president ever because Biden is proving it every day. Democrats obviously are too stupid to see the facts and the democrats are counting on the dumbest people in America to continue to vote democrat. History has proven that if you are are stupid, a criminal, an illegal or on government assistance then you are a democrat.[/QUOTE]So what is your guess on the dumb socialists who rebuke your posts. Are they criminals, illegals or on government assistance. My guess is that the guys rebuking your accurate posts are on welfare or social security. Have always been a drain on the hard working republicans tax payers.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2752607]Massive right wing media conspiracy, haha! I don't know about cable service where you live, but all I have on the right is Fox. MSNBC on the left is more extreme than Fox, while CNN, also on the left, is in the same league with Fox in terms of level of partisanship. The networks, NBC, ABC and CBS, are somewhat left of center. [/QUOTE] I'll give you MSNBC, but the others are definitely, I think more right of center, more often than not.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2752607]At the party level, Democrats and Republicans raise about the same amount of money:
[URL]https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.php?cmte=&cycle=2022[/URL]

At the candidate level I believe Democrats raise more, although I don't have a hallowed link to support that.

You conveniently fail to mention all those left wing billionaire campaign donors. Democrats now make greater use of dark money than Republicans:
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/29/us/politics/democrats-dark-money-donors.html[/URL] [/QUOTE] Right! Like the one year Dems exceeded Repubs, 2020 was were Trump was ousted. Understandable, this was a one-off and not the norm, as I think Repubs have been the bigger winner in more years, the Dems, IMO.

However, I will say that the more I look at the problem, the more I realize we may never know as long as Repubs keep blocking bills to identify donors with more than $10K in contributions.

But then ask yourself why would they (want a bill to identify donors), when thanks to a right-wing POTUS in 1972, they got exactly what they wanted, ...legalized bribery! Ergo, why Repubs have always benefitted more.

[b]Republicans block bill requiring dark money groups to reveal donors[/b]
[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3656002-republicans-block-bill-requiring-dark-money-groups-to-reveal-donors/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2752607]On China, here are more hallowed links, related to your belief that China is making great strides in renewable energy:

[URL]https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/[/URL]

[URL]https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa/[/URL]

In the last 15 years, USA emissions are down from about 7.4 billion tons per year to 6.3 billion tons in 2021. That's thanks largely to the substitution of natural gas, produced by American oil companies, for coal. The same oil companies that some constituencies of the Democratic Party want to put out of business for their "lies." Meanwhile, China's emissions of GHG's have risen from 8.5 billion tons per year to 13 billion tons per year. [/QUOTE] Throw out all the emission red herrings and strawman arguments you want. Knock yourself out, prattling on about emissions in China. That was never my argument.

China leads the world in clean renewable energy.

[b]Which Country Is The World Leader In Renewable Energy In 2021 [/b]
[URL]https://tfetimes.com/which-country-is-the-world-leader-in-renewable-energy-in-2021/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2752607]BTW Spidy, I have no idea what a BM is. Bowel movement? Please speak English. [/QUOTE] That's a very good guess, but I think we all already know you suffer from constipation. (....kkkk!)

But seriously, it stands for Board Member(s), as in other ISGer(s), or as in another person(s) who posts here, on the forums boards. Is that English clear enough for you?

The next thing you know, typically pro Repub Mainstream Media will try to float the hogwash that crashing the economy and grounding auto travel, shutting down factories and businesses due to horrible Repub economic stewardship is a fine way to reduce green house gas emissions by almost 10%!

[B]MSNBC's Morning Joe echoes right-wing talking points ahead of the midterms[/B]

[URL]https://www.mediamatters.org/morning-joe/msnbcs-morning-joe-echoes-right-wing-talking-points-ahead-midterms[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2752673]I agree with your first two paragraphs completely. Kudos for not taking Tooms' low road and blaming inflation in Thailand in October, 2022, entirely on Donald Trump. Like Michelle Obama and me, you took the high road.

Your third paragraph contains a few misconceptions and fallacies. The appropriate way to look at tourism as to its effect on the economy of Thailand versus the USA is as a percent of GDP. If your numbers are correct, tourism accounts for 17% of Thailand's GDP and 0.4% of the USA's GDP. For a long while it was much easier traveling to the USA than Thailand. You didn't have to quarantine if you came to the USA..[/QUOTE]You may not blame President Biden for inflation in the USA but the Moron Brigade does. But, then again, look at their name.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2752677]So what is your guess on the dumb socialists who rebuke your posts. Are they criminals, illegals or on government assistance. My guess is that the guys rebuking your accurate posts are on welfare or social security. Have always been a drain on the hard working republicans tax payers.[/QUOTE]I agree the socialists on this site trying to distract the attention away from Biden disastrous presidency are probably welfare cases or living out their miserable lives on fixed income social security. It is obvious that they are against small business and the American way of life and are bitter that the Republicans on this site are far more successful. The majority of these socialists can't make an evaluation on what us happening in the USA with the worst president in history. They are in denial and want links to prove that inflation is worst in 40 or 50 years. They want links to prove that the border is not secure and crime is up in all the shithole democrat states. They gather information on Liberal far left fake news. They are not smart enough to make their own decisions.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2752827]You may not blame President Biden for inflation in the USA but the Moron Brigade does. But, then again, look at their name.[/QUOTE]So let me make sure of something. Do you agree with this? [URL]https://dailycaller.com/2022/03/11/simply-not-true-biden-inflation-government-spending/[/URL].

"The American people think the reason for inflation is government spending money. Simply not true. ".

Inflation can be caused by increased demand for a good or decreased supply.

However, it can also be caused by increasing the amount of money in relation to the number of goods. It is on this point I have blamed Biden, Trump, and the Fed for inflation but not equally. Biden gets more of the blame because he has actively suppressing American oil production. Even smart Dems know this. If you think cancelling the keystone pipeline his first day in office did not send a message to oil producers, think again. And then there is the incessant hassling of refiners. The Biden administration has been calling for more refining capacity today while in the same breath saying we will not need refiners in six years.

So IMO Trump gets 20% of the blame on inflation, the Fed gets 30%, and Biden gets 50%, and it sure as hell would help if Biden knew what fucking caused inflation to begin with.

And you Dems keep making this a partisan thing, and it is not. Clinton knew what caused inflation and so did Obama but not this clown. All Biden is about is enriching his perceived allies and bankrupting his opponents. Everything Biden does is for the benefit of Biden.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2752677]So what is your guess on the dumb socialists who rebuke your posts. Are they criminals, illegals or on government assistance. My guess is that the guys rebuking your accurate posts are on welfare or social security. Have always been a drain on the hard working republicans tax payers.[/QUOTE]Yeah, when I saw people acting the most irrational, the core feelings were usually greed / fear of losing money or guilt.

The other day Spidy posted something that made my jaw dropped. He said that the reason electric cars were popular were because of consumer choice. The subsidies on electric cars are $7500 apiece and like I said it is $7200 more in the USA than Mexico to convert your car to run on natural gas. That $14,7000 can buy people a used car, and it certainly influences what people do when buying cars.

A buddy of mine went to some political event. He is a Republican and was called out for being one as he was like one of three Republicans there. He then told me that the big donors were harassing the crap out of the Dem pols for electric car subsidies. They were like we helped you win so now you got to help us.

So when Newsome said that California would only be selling EVs a few years from now, it was not for the environment or climate change or any of that. No, he was giving his big Democratic donors a big wet sloppy blowjob. And if you know about the economics of EVs, that is really the only thing that makes any sense.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2752677]So what is your guess on the dumb socialists who rebuke your posts. Are they criminals, illegals or on government assistance. My guess is that the guys rebuking your accurate posts are on welfare or social security. Have always been a drain on the [b]hard working republicans tax payers[/b].[/QUOTE]Then the top ten states that are the most dependent on Federal "handouts" all voted for Biden in 2020 right? Nope.

Rank State Federal Share ratio of Pct. Of.

Of state revenue Fed Fed Govt Workers.

Funding.

To Income.

Taxes paid.

1 West Virginia 45.16% 2. 36 4. 08%.

2 New Mexico 41.80% 1. 87 6. 06%.

3 Mississippi 47.31% 2. 53 3. 23%.

4 Alabama 41.20% 1. 25 3. 33%.

5 Alaska 50.83% 1. 62 6. 83%.

6 Idaho 41.08% 0. 91 2. 75%.

7 Louisiana (Tie) 52.27% 1. 60 2. 13%.

7 Maine (Tie) 43.27% 1. 19 2. 31%.

9 Wyoming 56.43% 1. 36 3. 37%.

10 Montana 46.58% 1. 04 3. 54%.

So much for the myth of the "hard working Repub tax payers". But I guarantee that you'll find some insane way to spin this.

The upshot is that the Moron Brigade has lied once again.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2752710]

Throw out all the emission red herrings and strawman arguments you want. Knock yourself out, prattling on about emissions in China. That was never my argument.

China leads the world in clean renewable energy.

[b]Which Country Is The World Leader In Renewable Energy In 2021 [/b]
[URL]https://tfetimes.com/which-country-is-the-world-leader-in-renewable-energy-in-2021/[/URL]

That's a very good guess, but I think we all already know you suffer from constipation. (....kkkk!)

But seriously, it stands for Board Member(s), as in other ISGer(s), or as in another person(s) who posts here, on the forums boards. Is that English clear enough for you?[/QUOTE]I feel foolish. I thought you were calling me and other right of center posters pieces of doo doo, when you were actually calling us Board Members! And that has a nice ring to it. Maybe "Esteemed Board Members" would be marginally better. Anyway apologies if I got a little nasty.

I really believe you have to look at the overall performance of China on greenhouse gas emissions. The bottom line is what are the green house gas emissions, and it doesn't make any difference if you get there from renewables, substituting natural gas for coal, or improving energy efficiency. If you take renewables from 5% of total power consumption to 10%, but continue to spew lots of CO2 from coal fired power plants, you haven't accomplished much.

China's coal consumption was flat from around 2014 to 2020 but up to an all time high in 2021,

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/265491/chinese-coal-consumption-in-oil-equivalent/[/URL]

Coal consumption in the USA has declined at a rate of 7.3% per year since 2014, from 852 million tons per annum to 501 million tons per annum,

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/184333/coal-energy-consumption-in-the-us/[/URL]

I don't believe the statement in your link that "China is the country that has been the fastest at trying to go green completely. " According to the link below, China generates 28.8% of its electricity from renewables," compared to 20.5% from the USA. Undoubtedly, if you included cement and steel (which require lots of coal to manufacture) in the mix along with electricity, China wouldn't look as good. Spain, Portugal, Germany and Italy clock in from 40% to 65%, and other countries, mostly with abundant hydroelectric power, are higher.

[URL]https://yearbook.enerdata.net/renewables/renewable-in-electricity-production-share.html[/URL]

If China is going to spend more than the USA on renewables that's probably mostly because China generates so much more power than the USA. And it's adding a lot more capacity than the USA.

China can supply most or all of its coal needs internally. So from a national security perspective, they'll prefer coal over natural gas, even though generating electricity from natural gas emits considerably less CO2 per gigawatt hour than coal. The domestically produced coal in China BTW on average is dirtier and produces more CO2 per gigawatt hour than the higher BTU coal burned by European and Japanese power plants.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2752717]The next thing you know, typically pro Repub Mainstream Media will try to float the hogwash that crashing the economy and grounding auto travel, shutting down factories and businesses due to horrible Repub economic stewardship is a fine way to reduce green house gas emissions by almost 10%!

[B]MSNBC's Morning Joe echoes right-wing talking points ahead of the midterms[/B]

[URL]https://www.mediamatters.org/morning-joe/msnbcs-morning-joe-echoes-right-wing-talking-points-ahead-midterms[/URL][/QUOTE]Do you watch Morning Joe? I do. Your link is nit picking, misleading and inflammatory. Most people would accept a lot of what Joe, Mika and Willie said as fact.

While Scarborough occasionally says he's a conservative, he swings to the left as or more often than the right these days. He has to. He doesn't have a stable of hot, horny young vixens like you do. And his wife, a Democrat by breeding and inclination, would cut him off if he sounded too Republican. He left the Republican Party some time ago.

MSNBC's viewership is left wing. They don't want to watch shows with Republicans. MSNBC wants high ratings, to sell commercials, so it complies. Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell and Joy Reid sound just as nutty from time to time as Tucker Carlson on COVID or Sean Hannity on Hunter Biden. And the daytime crew at Fox, after 9:00 AM, is definitely more "fair and balanced" then their equivalents at MSNBC.