Taipei

I am curious; based on my knowledge it is very difficult for a Mainland Chinese person to get a Visa to enter Taiwan and not to mentioned; to stay and work in Taiwan. I was told by my China counterpart that the Taiwanese government does welcome the Chinese from Mainland but the China side is restricting their own China citizen from exiting their country to go to Taiwan. Again I was told that for a Mainland Chinese to visit Taiwan, they will have to Apply for a Taiwan VISA through the Taiwan Government and upon approval they will than need to apply for an Exit Permit for them to go to Taiwan via Hong Kong or Macau. A HongKong/Macau Entry permit, plus Taiwan VISA is not sufficient for them to go to Taiwan.

Here is the real question:

Given that it is that difficult for mainland Chinese to get into Taiwan, how on earth did these Mainland Chinese Sex workers get to Taiwan? Please tell me if I am wrong but so far my experience in Taiwan (less than 20 providers) all of them seems to be local Taiwanese girls (as I recalled). None of them are from the Mainland China. I say this because all of them speaks Taiwan Chinese and Taiwanese (Minnan Hua or Haka).

FYI: I speak both Taiwanese dialect and I'd lived in China long enough to be able to tell the difference.

Sorry, no intention here to question member/s who had found mainland Chinese providers but just another question: How often or what are the chance of getting a Mainland Chinese girl in Taiwan?

Perhaps when we are referring to non-local Taiwanese, we are referring to Non-Taipei Taiwanese or non-Chinese (Vietnamese, Thai, etc)?

Can anyone enlighthen me? Thanks.

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Althrough I may be a Senior member on the board but I am still a Newbie in Taiwan, there are so much to learn from you guys who live here.

[quote=ace gallant]

fyi: i speak both taiwanese dialect and i'd lived in china long enough to be [/quote]strange, if you speak both taiwanese dialects (fukken and hakka), then you can easily find out the answer to your question. since no one has really explained this, i will try.

as far as i know there are 3 ways to enter taiwan from china legally:
1. blood relatives in taiwan (including marriage)
2. business trips to taiwan
3. special govn't exchange program

open tourism is not allowed yet due to enimosity between taiwan and china. there's also the problem of china tourists mysteriously "vanishing" during their stay in taiwan. china also doesn't want its people to be open to the truth about taiwan yet.

illegally:
1. boat (supposed to be quite easy for around us$1,200)

most of working girls from china here in taiwan are here on fake marriage. i don't think it needed to be explained further. another common method is smuggled in via boat from the eastern shores. later being more dangerous, as about 1.5 years ago, the taiwanese smuggler threw girls into wide open sea at night upon encountering taiwan coast guard at night. most of them drawned. ( i think the captain of the ship has been charged and thrown in jail with 2nd deg murder?)

most of the time when these girls are caught by police raids, they said they've decieved or were controlled by smugglers to come prostitue in taiwan. they then describe an inhumane hell of prostitution. well, don't believe a word they say, they are here for the money, and some really want the better way of life in taiwan. just a couple of months ago, 2 beggars from china landed in taiwan with business visa (no kidding). they made us$1,000 each in just 3 days. these people are caught b/c they want to be caught. they have made enough money and want to go home. no easier way then being sent back for free paid for by taiwan govn't. the police are just playing alone as they need to show they are actually cracking down on crimes. (a side note: taiwan police only dare crack down on prostitution and other misdemeanor crap as they are too chicken shit to take on gangs, mafia, and the rich and powerful. the corrupted judicial system here doesn't help the situation.)

now, it will be difficulte to find china girls here in taipei as the market here demands clean bill of health, decent looks, and trained. china girls are cheaper but are not trained and most importantly some carry stds. let me remind you guys out there that here in taiwan, for your own safety, you must use protection when with china girls. anyway, so unless you know some pimp, it'd be difficult to get china girls.

however, once you leave taipei, it's not too much trouble. most of the hotels with "resting" sign, can get mainland girls for you for around $2,500~$3,500. some girls will want more tip by offering to not use protection. don't take the offer. some will be really sweet and tell you a sad story so you'd spill your wallet for her. be smart. you can find them in small ktvs. however, forigners without local guide basically will not be able to access this venue.

the easiest city to get china girls is the sin city of taiwan, taichung. 2 hours by car/train from taipei or an hour on the new hi-speed train. once you get there, hop into a taxi and tell them what you want. the taxi drivers down there are all pimps. they will surcharge you $300~$500 for their knowledge and service. again, you need to at least speak mandarin or have a local guide with you. do watch out though, as this is the sin city with the highest crime rate in taiwan, don't stay out too late or don't wonder around in unknown places at night. gang shoot out wars occur on a regular basis here. (no one knows what the mayor is doing about it, but such is often the case with kmt rule.)

rule of thumb is: city/county with kmt rule will often be abundunt with opportunities, however, crime rate is also higher so watch yourself.

regarding vietnamese/thai, well there's also a lot of vietnamese here on fake marriage, but again, you need to head south to find them in small ktvs. not much thai here from what i know. maybe some in kaoshung? there's been reports on this board of none local girls from outcall services here in taipei. you might want to try that.

i hope this answered your question. lastly, i love my country ok. taiwan is great. the corruptions and crimes here are mainly due to people who have identity crisis. they call themselves chinese instead of taiwanese as they have been brain washed by 50 years of kmt rule. i only found the truth when i went abroad to us 15 years ago. these lost people are afraid they will lose their place and power if taiwan is no longer part of chinese heritage. that's why they are watching their own asses by scaming as much money as they can and trying to find a way out of the country. henceforth, the freebie girls at the bars. they are part of this group. guys, they are actually naive enough to think they can get you to take them home ok? that's why they are doing their best to please you and fuck you. you got your freebies already, so i ask you at least don't make fun of these lost souls here on this board and be a gentleman. anyway, just my 2 cents worth. ( oh, must wear protection with freebies as these are also high risk std group)

oh, and [quote=oakly tan]i'm visiting taipei next month, i'm really want to try taipei local.[/quote]please spend sometime to read this board. there's plenty of information telling you where to have "local fun" in taipei.

[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Given that it is that difficult for mainland Chinese to get into Taiwan, how on earth did these Mainland Chinese Sex workers get to Taiwan? Please tell me if I am wrong but so far my experience in Taiwan (less than 20 providers) all of them seems to be local Taiwanese girls (as I recalled). None of them are from the Mainland China.[/QUOTE]If there is a way to make money, you bet your sweet ass some Chinese guy has a way around it. Trust me, they WERE from the Mainland. I have played in all the major cities in China and lived in Shanghai for 3 years, hard not to be able to tell the difference. Question is - why eat hamburger if you can have steak? Mainland girls are not all that great. And if they are here they charge you Taiwan prices, so I prefer to go local. Have had some outstanding experiences with girls my provider has introduced me to, so no incendive to go Mainland.

But there are many places that offer China girls since they will do almost anything for money and all they do is work. The place in Lin Shen was only one place I know of, but mostly all I have to do is call my Mamasan and she can find them for me. Although I heard that the police are cracking down hard on WGs from China, so they might be keeping a low profile.

I am going to Beijing next week so I cannot partake is this back and forth AG, but if you are interested PM me and I can tell you all that I know. But as of next week I will be back in the land of cheap Korean town MPs and my WG turned freebie. Wish me luck and look for reports from the Beijing thread soon. Am looking forward to finding some new places out there.

[quote=ulrico]....and where did you found the local taiwan girls?[/quote]we are in taiwan, local girls are plentiful.

massage parlors for the old (and i mean cro-magnon old) women, asiaworld for the over 30 but not yet 40 crowd, or call a provider for anything younger (but be careful, they are cracking down on **** girls, so always double check the girls age).

there is not a lot of choices here in taipei anymore, so if you find a good provider, stick with her and she will give you good choices so you keep coming back. failing all that, go hang out outside room18 on a saturday night and try your luck.

remember, be bold but dont be stupid.

good luck.

[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]I am curious; based on my knowledge it is very difficult for a Mainland Chinese person to get a Visa to enter Taiwan and not to mentioned; to stay and work in Taiwan. I was told by my China counterpart that the Taiwanese government does welcome the Chinese from Mainland but the China side is restricting their own China citizen from exiting their country to go to Taiwan. Again I was told that for a Mainland Chinese to visit Taiwan, they will have to Apply for a Taiwan VISA through the Taiwan Government and upon approval they will than need to apply for an Exit Permit for them to go to Taiwan via Hong Kong or Macau. A HongKong/Macau Entry permit, plus Taiwan VISA is not sufficient for them to go to Taiwan.

Here is the real question:

Given that it is that difficult for mainland Chinese to get into Taiwan, how on earth did these Mainland Chinese Sex workers get to Taiwan? Please tell me if I am wrong but so far my experience in Taiwan (less than 20 providers) all of them seems to be local Taiwanese girls (as I recalled). None of them are from the Mainland China. I say this because all of them speaks Taiwan Chinese and Taiwanese (Minnan Hua or Haka).

FYI: I speak both Taiwanese dialect and I'd lived in China long enough to be able to tell the difference.

Sorry, no intention here to question member/s who had found mainland Chinese providers but just another question: How often or what are the chance of getting a Mainland Chinese girl in Taiwan?

Perhaps when we are referring to non-local Taiwanese, we are referring to Non-Taipei Taiwanese or non-Chinese (Vietnamese, Thai, etc)?

Can anyone enlighthen me? Thanks.

Enjoy!

AG

BTW: Althrough I may be a Senior member on the board but I am still a Newbie in Taiwan, there are so much to learn from you guys who live here.[/QUOTE]My understanding is that they are smuggled in. The girls you find in the classified section of the English language China Post or Taipei Times will be mainlanders, from my experience anyway. I think I've used this option three or four times.

Only other mainland Chinese option I've run across in Taiwan was when I just hopped in a cab and told him that I wanted "happy happy". Was sort of an interesting experience (down in Jubei). Took me to this shop and another dude, the pappy, asks me a few questions to make sure I'm not a cop, which he figures out pretty quickly given my non-Taiwanese Mandarin accent. Takes me to this room in a nearby apartment building and tells me to wait. Wait for about 15-20minutes or so and the girl shows up. Seem to remember paying NT3000.

Thanks to all brother for your answers.

Neuromancer the only experience I had with those providers advertising in the Class. Ads is a Taiwanese from Taichung. Not too sure about the rest but I bet you when you call them up asking whether they are Mainland chinese girls, they will tell you NO. As I had said in China board, I never trust the mummies!

Ragnarok42 , have a good trip to Beijing, try to hook up with brother Sammy T, he is a great ISG brother. If you are contacting him for the first time, let him know AG from Shanghai board recommended you to hook up with him. Beijing speciality: (NO it is not Beijing girls!) But Mongolian and Russians!

Windwalker: Thanks for your detail explaination. Gives me a clearer view of how to start a business by smuggling Mainland chinese into Taiwan... hehehe!! Just joking. Well... althrough I speak both local dialect, it doesn't means those people I deal with in Taiwan knows the details as you do. Besides; those people I am with in Taiwan are mainly business associates, therefore I will have very little opportunity to ask such questions. But you are right, been able to speak the dialect, enable me to be able gain a lot of information which others do not have access to. I had made a trip to Taichung in my last trip to Taiwan and I agree with what you said; that's why I am asking the question. I am going to ask Jackson to start a Taichung Thread so that we can start posting reports. Although I only spent about 18 hours in Taichung I can sense that it is the China's Chang Ping equivilent in Taiwan.

Lastly; Well you guys are right too; when in Taiwan, why do we bother to have Mainland Chinese girls in Taiwan? However from my experience, both Mainland Chinese Girls and Local taiwanese has their pros and cons. IMHO: A Pussy is a Pussy; you get good ones and you get bad ones.

Enjoy Brothers! And I'll be back!
AG

[QUOTE=Ragnarok42]We ARE in Taiwan, local girls are plentiful. There is not a lot of choices here in Taipei anymore, so if you find a good provider, stick with her and she will give you good choices so you keep coming back. Failing all that, go hang out outside Room18 on a Saturday night and try your luck.
Good luck.[/QUOTE]


Do you know good providers (including web addresses)?
Where exactly in Taipei may I find Room 18?

Thank you for your kind clarification!

[QUOTE=Ulrico]Do you know good providers (including web addresses)?
Where exactly in Taipei may I find Room 18?

Thank you for your kind clarification![/QUOTE]Room 18 is in Warner Village, near NY NY and the Hyatt. It's not a p4p place though, just a dance club with lots of hot chicks. I think it's past it's prime though - was THE place to go three or four years ago.

[QUOTE=Neuromancer]My understanding is that they are smuggled in. The girls you find in the classified section of the English language China Post or Taipei Times will be mainlanders, from my experience anyway. I think I've used this option three or four times.[/QUOTE]I was told by one of my working friends in Beijing that most of the mainland girls have a marriage arranged with a local Taiwanese guy which is the quickest and easiest way to get the necessary paperwork to come over. The girls are required to leave their passports and pay a hefty deposit before they are allowed to go to work. The problems start when the girls want to leave but normally they are not allowed to do so until they have paid off their debts. She asked me what I thought about the whole thing as I was Taiwanese but I just said that I lived in China now and didn't know anything about that kind of thing.

Just got back from a KTV last night and had a blast. A friend just called me out of the blue and we got to this place. I will try to hookup with him again and find it.

Here is the scoop. Very private high end club, and they have electronic locks on the room door, so that no one can enter unexpectedly. Once the doors was closed and the music video started playing the the singing begins, you could playfully disrobe the gals. Half the girls in the room were almost totally naked with the exception of their panites.. i tried to take my gals panties off but to no avail. The entire time of her doing a lap dance on me. None of us were naked but i got a lot of fingering her throughout the stay.

I ask my friend the cost, it was somewhere in the $1-2K NTD ranger per hours per girl. There were only a few stunners, most were college gals looking for a few extra bucks on the side.


PM me late next week and i will try to get their address.

[QUOTE=Bnlee2]Just got back from a KTV last night and had a blast. A friend just called me out of the blue and we got to this place. I will try to hookup with him again and find it.

Here is the scoop. Very private high end club, and they have electronic locks on the room door, so that no one can enter unexpectedly. Once the doors was closed and the music video started playing the the singing begins, you could playfully disrobe the gals. Half the girls in the room were almost totally naked with the exception of their panites.. i tried to take my gals panties off but to no avail. The entire time of her doing a lap dance on me. None of us were naked but i got a lot of fingering her throughout the stay.

I ask my friend the cost, it was somewhere in the $1-2K NTD ranger per hours per girl. There were only a few stunners, most were college gals looking for a few extra bucks on the side.

PM me late next week and i will try to get their address.[/QUOTE]How much was the room and how much were the drinks?

What do you estimate total damage for a 3-4 hour drinking session?

Was this in central area or outer Taipei? Curious to know more as Taipei will be in the upcoming travel plans at the end of the year.

[QUOTE=Ulrico]Do you know good providers (including web addresses)?
Where exactly in Taipei may I find Room 18?

[/QUOTE]

Its usually a plus if you can speak Chinese and I find providers everywhere. I usually get 2 to 3 messages on my phone every week about providers promising college girls, stewrdesses, etc. What I do is call with very specific requests and see what they deliver. Usually the first one is crap, they don't send you there A stock until after they are sure you are not a cop. Then you see what kind of ladies they have. I have gone through a few and have only one I use now. But lately she has been slipping so I am considering restarting my searching.
Also, after being raided last time I tend to shy away from these sorts of "open a room and the girl shows up" affairs, still find myself jumpy. So at least for a time being its going to be Asiaworld and my trusty older woman at the Nanjing MP.
And what was said about Room 18 is correct, I used to go and get myself in the mood after watching hot 18 year olds dance, then go find a WG at the MP, but at least it was more palatable after being at 18 and I could imagine it was someone else. Good hunting and tell us what you find!

15th Floor of AsiaWorld is an amazing place. There are men and boys of all ages (even 10 year olds!...so there must be a range of services available) in the lounge area eating and smoking and playing cards. There was an older assistant who asked me if I was there for the special massage and I said I was and how much. 4200 inclusive of the sauna. Soft drinks were free. After about 10 minutes waiting and watching Al Dull on the tube talking about how he will save the universe from global warming, a rather attractive lady in her late 30's early 40's who spoke pretty fair English came and got me to lead me up the stairs and through the secret door. What a trip! I think SHE would have been a really fun roll in the hay!

I was lead directly to a room with a massage table and shower. Pretty clean and orderly. In about 5 minutes, a fair looking (6 in dim light) enhanced C came in (#88) and got things started with a fairly good massage through a large towel. Too much moaning and groaning to suit me but she seemed pretty nice. Had me roll over and she was getting nekkid. Nice rack but upon digital exploration found them to be 'corrected'. Nice job in the way they looked and only slightly too firm in places. Lawn was not mowed but she was not too interested in having it handled and would not even think about DATY. All in all a pretty mechanical CBJ and again too much groaning when doing the deed.

Damages: 4300 (charged for a shoe shine I din't ask for) Total in private room 45 minutes! UGH!

ONE girl to see: 6 face 8 body 5 attitude 5 performance I would guess she was about 33 and said she was a local girl. Wanted me to come back. Right!

Facility: 8 but staff VERY unattentive! Had to wonder around lost most of the time.

Now the comparison to my two favorites in Pudong (Shanghai New area!!)
The girls in Pudong sure seem to be fresher and have a LOT better attitude for GFE activities. Obviously the cost is about half in China. The facilities are about equal, but the Pudong staff tend to be more helpfup if not speaking as much English. I think the possibilities are much better in Pudong. AsiaWorld rated only slightly better than my one (bad) experince at the famous SH on Wuluwuxi in Shanghai and way way worse than any of my experiences in Pudong or Shandong.

[quote=guybert56]15th floor of asiaworld is an amazing place. there are men and boys of all ages (even 10 year olds!...so there must be a range of services available) in the lounge area eating and smoking and playing cards. there was an older assistant who asked me if i was there for the special massage and i said i was and how much. 4200 inclusive of the sauna. soft drinks were free. after about 10 minutes waiting and watching al dull on the tube talking about how he will save the universe from global warming, a rather attractive lady in her late 30's early 40's who spoke pretty fair english came and got me to lead me up the stairs and through the secret door. what a trip! i think she would have been a really fun roll in the hay!

i was lead directly to a room with a massage table and shower. pretty clean and orderly. in about 5 minutes, a fair looking (6 in dim light) enhanced c came in (#88) and got things started with a fairly good massage through a large towel. too much moaning and groaning to suit me but she seemed pretty nice. had me roll over and she was getting nekkid. nice rack but upon digital exploration found them to be 'corrected'. nice job in the way they looked and only slightly too firm in places. lawn was not mowed but she was not too interested in having it handled and would not even think about daty. all in all a pretty mechanical cbj and again too much groaning when doing the deed.

damages: 4300 (charged for a shoe shine i din't ask for) total in private room 45 minutes! ugh!

one girl to see: 6 face 8 body 5 attitude 5 performance i would guess she was about 33 and said she was a local girl. wanted me to come back. right!

facility: 8 but staff very unattentive! had to wonder around lost most of the time.

now the comparison to my two favorites in pudong (shanghai new area!!)
the girls in pudong sure seem to be fresher and have a lot better attitude for gfe activities. obviously the cost is about half in china. the facilities are about equal, but the pudong staff tend to be more helpfup if not speaking as much english. i think the possibilities are much better in pudong. asiaworld rated only slightly better than my one (bad) experince at the famous sh on wuluwuxi in shanghai and way way worse than any of my experiences in pudong or shandong.[/quote]

guybert,

i think different countries has their differences. different monger has different taste as well. i don't think it is fair to compare apple to oranges.

you also forgotten to mention:

shanghai saunas has:

1) younger working girls; 26 year old there is considered old.......
2) shanghai saunas in general charges cheaper for th packages. 500rmb (2000nt) - 1000rmb (4000nt)
3) there are many more saunas that provides full services in shanghai.

in a city where competition is high, the fight for business bring better pricing for customer and may be better services.

i suggest you make a trip via taipei high speed train to taichung for a night out in your next trip to taiwan. you will find it very different from taipei! the train ride is 45 mins and 700nt. i'll be posting about my experience in taichung soon. watch for it.

enjoy!
ag

Waiting for that report on taichung. Went down there a few month but didn't get any action. Btw. Can anyone put some feedback on any places to visit while in tainan. Going down there tomorrow for the rest of the week.

Thanks brothers.