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[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]Thanks for the tips from those who gave them. Ended up pulling a girl from Devil's early in the evening. Ate some food than got three pops in before bed. TBH, she seemed a little shocked that I went for the third. Is there a standard operating procedure here? I wanted to get my money's worth! She was into all three sessions once they started but I did sense a little hesitation before starting the third like I said. Did one more early in the morning. She hung around and watched some TV with me, then headed out. All in all a good time.[/QUOTE]She is yours for the time period specified. In a ST bar, its usually 2 hours, and either 4 or 8 for their LT. In the past, they stuck to that: you had to have her back in the bar in two hours. However, when I was there a few weeks ago, there was some blurring of that. Mama's and girls were telling me they could stay for 3 hours instead of two. For LT they were giving me this wild stuff about bringing her back tomorrow at lunch (24 hours). Ask the mama before you take her from the bar. If she says 3 hours, then the girl is yours for the timeframe. However, many girls will also start to dress after your first pop. Just tell her to get showered and come back to bed with you.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]One problem I have in these bar style places, which I'm not really used to (usually tend towards different style places in other countries) , is how to identify what kind of tits the girls are working with in the bars. Of course many look good on stage, but when you get them home, the tits have some sag. Like my girl last night. Young and sexy, but still, prefer to have perky tits with stand up nipples. Any hints?[/QUOTE]They sag from children. Don't ask in the bar if she has kids. Ask how many she has. Zero is best.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]One more question that I didn't find an answer to by RTF, what's the deal with the massage places on Fields? Average prices? Services? Some hot young girls in the windows of these places, but wearing clinical uniforms. Is this legit massage only?[/QUOTE]I've never been offered any extras in these places. 400-500 is the going price (the girls typically get 150).

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]Finally, what about the waitresses at kokomos? The ones wearing the pink uniforms. Some of them are fucking hot. Available for take out?[/QUOTE]I don't think so. Same for Phillies. They can be pretty, and they are sweet. Don't push your luck in these places, there are so many other legit places to get the snatch. If you find you must, drop her your phone number (like you'd be the first guy to do that there).

Thanks a lot for the info bro. Very helpful!

[quote]She is yours for the time period specified. In a ST bar, its usually 2 hours, and either 4 or 8 for their LT. In the past, they stuck to that: you had to have her back in the bar in two hours. However, when I was there a few weeks ago, there was some blurring of that. Mama's and girls were telling me they could stay for 3 hours instead of two. For LT they were giving me this wild stuff about bringing her back tomorrow at lunch (24 hours). Ask the mama before you take her from the bar. If she says 3 hours, then the girl is yours for the timeframe. However, many girls will also start to dress after your first pop. Just tell her to get showered and come back to bed with you.[/quote]I'm going to have to try that, then try to get used it. I usually just talk to the girls and never the mamasan. It'll be a bit odd for me, but I'm sure I'll get over it. In fact, I don't think I even noticed who the mamasan even was at the places I went to last night. I guess I'll just have to ask a waitress to point me in her direction tonight.

Thanks again man, a lot of great info in your posts and replies!

[quote]I had no idea that in the ST bars, that gents barfined girls in advance, left the bar, and just came back whenever they wanted to see if the girl was still there.[/quote]I keep trying to figure out what the point of this is, but for the life of me, I can't come up with anything. If it doesn't prevent her from being barfined by anyone else, what exactly would be the point of barfining her early then coming back later? Why not jut barfine her later, when you come back?

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker;1309696]I'm not much of a bar guy and I'm sure there are others who might know better but can't you just ask to see their tits in the bar? Every bar I have been in I've been able to fondle and see the girls tits, put a hand in the pants and finger their pussy and they usually have their hands on my cock the whole time they are sitting with me. I guess you just have to ask and be forward with them.[/QUOTE]So if you don't get girls from bars, where do you go? I'm not much of a bar guy either, never liked strip clubs and I don't even drink (I prefer privacy) , but I don't know where else to pick them up!

I've had a lot of sex in my life, a lot of freaky stuff, a lot of 2 or 3 couple swinging scenes, many women, but never been into the wide open scenes. No guilt or shame, it's just not comfortable for me when there are a lot of other guys and girls around.

I guess I will have to be more forward and get over my agoraphobia if I want to enjoy my few days here, eh?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1309748]So if you don't get girls from bars, where do you go? I'm not much of a bar guy either, never liked strip clubs and I don't even drink (I prefer privacy) , but I don't know where else to pick them up!

I've had a lot of sex in my life, a lot of freaky stuff, a lot of 2 or 3 couple swinging scenes, many women, but never been into the wide open scenes. No guilt or shame, it's just not comfortable for me when there are a lot of other guys and girls around.

I guess I will have to be more forward and get over my agoraphobia if I want to enjoy my few days here, eh?[/QUOTE]If you are not a bar guy then WTF are you doing in AC? I really don't understand people that go to AC and search for something other then bar girls. Phils has so many nicer better, cheaper places to explore where you can get girls from the internet, discos, malls, hotels. To me chasing non bar pussy in AC is crazy. Same cost or there about considering how cheap AC bars are, less time wasting and far better chance of getting a good experience then hoping your DIA or mall pick up will work for you. Sure at the bar there is no guarantee either but you have FAR FAR FAR better odds then picking up at SM mall in AC. If you think that a local girl in AC is interested in you LOL you really don't understand how things work in AC. They all know WHY you are in AC. They are not that stupid. Even if you have a legit reason they would still rather avoid you because everyone else too would assume you are a sex tourist. In AC just go for the bar girls. Pure and simple, don't over complicate it. Those that think they are getting something else then a bar girl in one form or another are just kidding themselves. I know there are exceptions, sure you can get a girl to come visit from another province, manila or wherever but after you account for the costs, wasting of time, limits that she may impose on you then whats the point? AC is meant to be a bar town and enjoy it as bar town. I really don't understand why would you want to turn your trip there into something else.

There are plenty of posts how you can get non bar girls in phils. Its easy. If you are willing to go down those paths then stay in Manila, Cebu, Boracay and at least enjoy yourself in a much better environment still surrounded by beautiful girls. Its not hard you just need to give it a go. Make sure that you have more then few days though as it may take 2-3 days for you to set up. AC you need 5 minutes or less just point and shoot.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309725]I keep trying to figure out what the point of this is, but for the life of me, I can't come up with anything. If it doesn't prevent her from being barfined by anyone else, what exactly would be the point of barfining her early then coming back later? Why not jut barfine her later, when you come back?[/QUOTE]She may barfine LT with some else and you miss out. Usually it DOES prevent her from barfining if you want her LT but if its just a ST barfine then she is free to barfine but needs to be ready at agreed time. I too see no point in booking ST girls but I know guys that get hanged up on a girl that has great BJ skills and want to go drink get a BJ then get a LT barfine elsewhere. For them it makes no difference I guess.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1309769]There are plenty of posts how you can get non bar girls in phils. Its easy. If you are willing to go down those paths then stay in Manila, Cebu, Boracay and at least enjoy yourself in a much better environment still surrounded by beautiful girls. Its not hard you just need to give it a go. Make sure that you have more then few days though as it may take 2-3 days for you to set up. AC you need 5 minutes or less just point and shoot.[/QUOTE]Thanks McDon. You've gone some way to solving my earlier quandary that I posted. I will be in AC for legit reasons but even bringing a gal in, whom doesn't consider herself, nor is she a sex worker, she is going to be tarred with that brush being with a long nose in AC. My intention is to finesse why stay as far as possible.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1309688]I read that AC is a punting nivarna but I also have an opportunity of a byo gal from Cebu. She's cute, good looking and loyal.

I've also got a realistic budget and also realistic expectations of actually doing some work while I'm in town. Can you guys help me gather my thoughts on this.

Advantages of BYO.

Friendly and no need to go out looking for a gal each night.

No need to deal with runners, bar fines etc.

Would cost an airfare from CEB-Angeles-CEB. P4, 000.

Extra daily allowance for her of P1, 000 to cover her expenses.

So for a week, would cost P11, 000 to have a honey join me.

Disadvantages of BYO.

She's always there. As soon as I get home from stress work, she wants to play, go out, be friendly.

I'm a little introverted and do enjoy some privacy.

What does she do all day?

Can't get out and experience other Angeles delights.

Advantages of JIT. Just in Time. Ie bargirls, freelancers.

Fits my timetable.

Fits my energy / interest requirements if I have to work long / late etc.

Only pay when needed.

Disadvantages of JIT.

Have to constantly be selecting a new girl or type.

Deal with occasional runner / fruitcake.

Many of the honeys don't come out to late and I might need to go early to accommodate early work starts.

Daily cost of P2, 000-3, 000.

Your experiences are appreciated.

BD[/QUOTE]LOL you are seriously thinking of BYO in AC? No offense but unless you have a bi supermodel type then forget it.

Go to AC and experience AC for what it is. If you want to keep a girl for few days you can do that there too. Depends on your budget, you taste and negotiating skills you can find 2-3 day gf experience in AC for about 1000-1500 a day quite easily and thats with very little knowledge and negotiations, regulars will probably do it for half that. Also you can vary your mongering experience there according to your needs. If all you have is few hours then BF short time from santos for 700 peso. Want a cheap GF experience then go to perimeter Road. Have time and want someone for 2-3 days for cheap look up DIA they are bar girls too but you can find someone that may agree to do it under the right circumstances skipping the barfine, taking time off work and directly charging you say 800 or 1000p a day. I have 2 bi girls in AC that I do that on regular basis with, both take time of work and I normally give them 2000p each for 3 days. In those 3 days I probably spend another 2-3000p on each of them on other things but thats my choice, I can tighten up my budget and I wont hear them complaining (have done it once in the past) but I am there to enjoy myself so I spend whatever I feel its appropriate, after all you only live once.

Bringing someone from elsewhere in AC while you are busy can also bring problems that you may not have anticipated. Once I had a very hot manila girl offer ST by the pool in the hotel while her boyfriend was at work. All she wanted was 500p for few hours while her boyfriend was away. Keep in mind that filipinas are very adjustable once she works out why most man are in AC and that they are all p4p types she may turn into an entrepreneur before you know it. Even if she is not like that beside watching tv what else is she going to do? Budget at least 1000p extra on shopping / entertainment. Add to that at least 1-2000 on food unless you intend to cook yourself LOL. All up you are at around 15000p for the week which is what you will spend if you bf one different LT each night.

Like I said unless you have something that is really really special bringing a chick in AC is just not worth it.

Why am I here? Bucket list, wanted to see the place, short and cheap flight from Japan, easy access to sex.

I didn't say I am adverse to P4P, I'm just not really into bars. For me, bars are not fun places, in the Philippines or anywhere else. I don't want to sit in some dark dungeon breathing in cigarette smoke (even if there are pretty girls in bikinis or nude doing a semi-dance zombie stagger on stage while dreaming about being anywhere else but there) with outdated 1980's music playing that wasn't even good when it came out, watching guys get fall down drunk. There's just no fun in any of that for me.

I've had a lot of sex in my time, about half pay and the other half "personal life" scores. So don't get me wrong, I like the fun and convenience of P4P. But I think the Angeles way of doing things is just too hardcore for me.

It's just not my scene. To each his own.

I usually go for spas / massage / anma type places where I can take my time and choose a girl, where the set up is all ready (walk in, pay a set fee, have a girl come to your room / booth / etc) or, at least, the casual bars of some places in Latin America where you can sit and chat for a while. For me, the apex of what P4P can be is the relaxation of the Macau Spas.

Of course there are many pretty girls here, many nice girls, and I will try to fit in as much as possible to enjoy my time here. But going by my experience so far, I would probably never return. Thanks again for the continued help and advice.

I just want to say, re: Ramos street, that I had a little different experience than WC on my two visits for ST today. It could be that WC is better at talking to the mama, negotiating, is a regular, etc, or maybe I am a total idiot and / or dick. The latter is plenty probable.

I tried three bars and was asked immediately "You want short time?" I mean, not even a chance to sit down. Guess that's the way it goes. Asked to grab a drink and decide, no problem. But whole time I was drinking girls asking me ST ST ST. Never a chance to finish a single cup of juice. Asked how long is ST? Told 1 hour. Said my friend got a bit longer, time raised to 2 hours. Now I will say, while the girls were in my room, they didn't try to rush out, but still, I didn't get the laxed vibe "come back whenever you want" stuff. Quoted long time at 1400 pesos,"bring back tomorrow". Didn't get a time on that, but since it was around 11 am and then 1 pm, still a pretty long time.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1309779]LOL you are seriously thinking of BYO in AC? No offense but unless you have a bi supermodel type then forget it.[/QUOTE]Thanks McDon. I've been doing a heap of RTFF since I first posted my thoughts. I'm probably over analysing the situation. Can't imagine I'll be too lonely in AC.

One thing that has come up is an overnight work trip to Manila during my stay. For that I might ask an AC lady to be a joiner on that trip. Will be late by the time I finish and it just makes things easier.

Yep, Pinay are very quick to adopt to situations. I admit to originally being cautious about my marital status with pinay. Now I just tell them, the shrug their shoulders and just keep on going.

BD

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1309779]No offense but unless you have a bi supermodel type then forget it.

Like I said unless you have something that is really really special bringing a chick in AC is just not worth it.[/QUOTE]Does a bi FHM model count McD?

Been to AC and got the shirt. Now if I go there is BYO as can go girl hunting to relieve the stress. Yummy. And she does like girls and does attract attention purely because of her figure (and what she wears)

Also a recently converted nursing student who lives AC. But not a FHM model. But is accetpably sexy and horny especially in 5" heels etc

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1309863]Does a bi FHM model count McD?

Been to AC and got the shirt. Now if I go there is BYO as can go girl hunting to relieve the stress. Yummy. And she does like girls and does attract attention purely because of her figure (and what she wears)

Also a recently converted nursing student who lives AC. But not a FHM model. But is accetpably sexy and horny especially in 5" heels etc[/QUOTE]Tell me you have photos to post.

; )

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1309863]Does a bi FHM model count McD?

Been to AC and got the shirt. Now if I go there is BYO as can go girl hunting to relieve the stress. Yummy. And she does like girls and does attract attention purely because of her figure (and what she wears)

Also a recently converted nursing student who lives AC. But not a FHM model. But is accetpably sexy and horny especially in 5" heels etc[/QUOTE]Only if she is a girlfriend of the month WR, the bar has to be set higher for experienced campers LOL.

Post was aimed at what seems like a newbie who has never been to AC. I am sure those that have been there and seen it all know what to expect and if that no longer excites them they either don't bother at all any more or find ways to make it fun again. I am sort of in between, love it for few days do many as I can and then take my FHM model of to a better place. God bless air asia, cheap and reliable flights from AC to Bora, Davao and Palawan with few more to go in the next 12 months.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1309787]Why am I here? Bucket list, wanted to see the place, short and cheap flight from Japan, easy access to sex.

I didn't say I am adverse to P4P, I'm just not really into bars. For me, bars are not fun places, in the Philippines or anywhere else. I don't want to sit in some dark dungeon breathing in cigarette smoke (even if there are pretty girls in bikinis or nude doing a semi-dance zombie stagger on stage while dreaming about being anywhere else but there) with outdated 1980's music playing that wasn't even good when it came out, watching guys get fall down drunk. There's just no fun in any of that for me.

I've had a lot of sex in my time, about half pay and the other half "personal life" scores. So don't get me wrong, I like the fun and convenience of P4P. But I think the Angeles way of doing things is just too hardcore for me.

It's just not my scene. To each his own.

I usually go for spas / massage / anma type places where I can take my time and choose a girl, where the set up is all ready (walk in, pay a set fee, have a girl come to your room / booth / etc) or, at least, the casual bars of some places in Latin America where you can sit and chat for a while. For me, the apex of what P4P can be is the relaxation of the Macau Spas.

Of course there are many pretty girls here, many nice girls, and I will try to fit in as much as possible to enjoy my time here. But going by my experience so far, I would probably never return. Thanks again for the continued help and advice.[/QUOTE]My sugestion is enjoy AC for what it is. Next time you are in phils have a look at QC and QC Avenue. Thats probably the place for you.