Jakarta

[QUOTE=GonzoTwo;1845943]But three years?! It will be a first![/QUOTE]I don't know about that. They banned the sexy tabloids back in 2006 and they still haven't come back.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1845842]Apart from the governor Ahok there are no Chinese or indeed non-Muslim senior officials in the Jakarta administration. .[/QUOTE]Hilo77 I'm afraid you're picking up fag ends from the newspapers. I guess you haven't tried getting a license from the Jakarta bureacracy in recent years. If you had you'd find yourself bombarded by Christian Batak's offering to help and expidite your paperwork, one of whom Pardede is a very effective but low profile Mayor of Jakart Pusat.

[QUOTE=GonzoTwo;1845943] ....As for the move to "eliminate red light districts by 2019", well, has anyone seen any evidence that any Indonesian government agency can consistently implement ANY policy of ANY sort for three years in a row? Quite often, they'll announce some new regulation in the morning and then cancel it by the afternoon (eg. The regulation banning Gojek). In other cases, it might remain in force for a full month or two (eg. Banning cattle imports from Australia). But three years?! It will be a first![/QUOTE]Still on this religious theme (the changes in Jakarta are about votes not religious opinions or sentiments IMHO) if you huff and puff your way up the stairs in the Sarinah building, Thamrin on one of the boarded up doors on the 9 or 10th? Floor you'll see a small sign that say Moslems can not enter. This floor was the site of one of the licensed casino's in the 70's. The casino closed and lost it's permit in about 1974.

Many Jakartan's have been waiting 40 years for it to reopen.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1846118]Hilo77 I'm afraid you're picking up fag ends from the newspapers. I guess you haven't tried getting a license from the Jakarta bureacracy in recent years. If you had you'd find yourself bombarded by Christian Batak's offering to help and expidite your paperwork, one of whom Pardede is a very effective but low profile Mayor of Jakart Pusat.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected, no need to get snarky about it.

[QUOTE](the changes in Jakarta are about votes not religious opinions or sentiments IMHO) if you huff and puff your way up the stairs in the Sarinah building, Thamrin on one of the boarded up doors on the 9 or 10th? Floor you'll see a small sign that say Moslems can not enter. This floor was the site of one of the licensed casino's in the 70's. The casino closed and lost it's permit in about 1974.

Many Jakartan's have been waiting 40 years for it to reopen.[/QUOTE]I agree, it's not a religious thing, I have said this in previous posts. It's a middle-class thing, when booze, porn, sex and drugs were the preserve of the very wealthy, deadbeats or bules no one much cared about them. Now, however, the respectable ibu-ibu have got themselves a nice house in Bekasi or Depok, with a Honda parked in the drive, hubby has a good job with the bank and the kids get to go to a half-decent school, and they don't want their lately acquired bourgeois lifestyle, or more importantly their kids, infected with all this nasty business of LGBT / narkoba / prostitusi / porno / oplosan* (delete as appropriate) that seems to be everywhere these days.

It's no different to how our own home countries got gentrified in the past.

The casinos are gone, the swimsuit model magazines are gone, the titty dancers are gone, Stadium is gone, Kalijodo is gone, the internet is censored, the booze is disappearing, none of it is coming back.

No worries, we will still be able to get what we're looking for but the good old days are now officially at an end.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1845885]I wonder who showed them the pics? There is no way they would ever be viewing them here on their own. My bet is that it was one of the 2 dilweeds that were insulting him here about being fat.[/QUOTE]Probably not, more likely a lurker who gets a kick out of messing things up. You will recall I got into a spot of bother a few years ago on another site for posting a perfectly innocent, indeed complimentary, picture and comment on one of our favorite waitresses, the person who showed it to her was, I am sure, not even a contributor, just an irritating sneak. I learned my lesson then.

I feel sorry for Ko, he liked to lounge in Dee's with the girls all around him (at least I am guessing it was him), he seemed to enjoy the ego trip it gave him but he really should have cleared it with them before he posted the pics the way he did.

It may be a blessing in disguise. The current girls at Dees are not very attractive relative to what's out there in Jakarta. I always thought the hottest one was Anjani, but I visited Dees the other night and took Anjani into the VIP room. When her clothes came off, I was so disappointed. Her body is saggy and soft now. She has obviously pumped out a kid. She's been there at least 10 years now anyway. Unfortunately, like Maribaya, Dees has not been refreshing their stock lately. Especially VIP room workers.

There have been some cuties in Dees over the years, but the place is pretty dire these days. Girls like Cweety, Ani, and Ana were very cute little spinners that are no longer there. Those girls were young and comparable to any cuteness anywhere in town. However, the last truly beautiful girl working the's was the waitress you reference. She was marriage material.

Dees is still good to hang out and have a relatively quiet beer. But as far as finding cute girls, these days there are much better alternative hang outs in town and I'd be glad to show Ko a few of them if he's interested.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1846320] the titty dancers are gone[/QUOTE]I'm still not sold on that one. I think they will be back.

[QUOTE=Orangganteng;1845891]What a coincidence. He posts photos like that on here for 10 years, then right after arguing with you about posting photos, someone from this site shows them to the girls.[/QUOTE]If you are insinuating (with no evidence whatsoever) that I showed Ko's photos to the girls, you are every bit the asshole that the person who showed them the pictures is. This assumes someone indeed showed the pictures to the girls and the girls didn't stumble on them on the internet. In this regard, in Thailand many of the girls monitor this forum and I wouldn't rule out the possibility that some of the girls working in Jakarta could do the same (although they would have to use an internet provider that doesn't block this site, which in my experience is not so difficult to find). But given the girls from different venues both found out around the same time, that does tilt it towards someone showing the photos to them or there being some crosstalk between some of the girls who work at D's Place and those who work at Maribaya..

In any case, if you had followed the earlier posts on this subject, most since deleted by the administrator, your thinly-veiled accusation against me would also suggest you are not good at processing information or drawing logical conclusions. Quite apart from the fact I wasn't the only poster involved in the argument, and quite apart from the fact many here saw the argument but were undoubtedly lurkers (lurkers can be offended by behavior here too, including the posting of unauthorized photos), my first interaction here concerning photos was when one of the seniors slammed me when I revealed I take photos of the girls, but will not post them without permission. So, I like taking photos. Showing the girls their photos off the internet would be the fastest way to shut down all photo taking at a particular venue. That would entirely go against my own interest in obtaining photos in the future for my personal use.

If you have had trouble following the above, the short answer to your post is stop making unsubstantiated and defamatory accusations.

Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

It's pretty obvious what happened.

[QUOTE=Orangganteng;1846467]Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

It's pretty obvious what happened.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Einstein, you got it. If I did not respond to your defamation, that would be an admission it was true. On the other hand, if I responded by stating your accusation was false and defamatory, that would be an admission it was true, at least by your twisted logic. Unfortunately, the anonymity of the internet provides a place for dregs like you to make such outrageous accusations against others without real consequences.

You have been on this forum for somewhere around ten years and have a total of 17 posts, assuming your handle is not an alter-ego handle, which if it were wouldn't surprise anyone. Four of your negative posts are reproduced here (one above, and three follow); I suspect they give a good sense of the type of person you are.

[QUOTE=Orangganteng;754046]Glad you enjoyed yourself. I doubt that girl stayed with her parents. Almost all of these girls parents live in kampungs far outside Jakarta. It's more likely that she had to get back to her herpes infected bajaj driver indonesian boyfriend who was waiting on the blok for her to finish so he could collect the money you gave her and give her some dick. I'm sure he was watching you from his bajaj as you were taking her to the Ambhara. Those guys are out trying to shag anything they can while their girl is away, so she would be rushing back to him to avoid him doing one of the other girls there. As much as I enjoy shagging the Blok M girls, DATY with those girls is not something I would be interested in. I consider it tantamount to sucking off one of those bajaj drivers. The chances he was barebacking her just a few hours prior are extremely high.[/QUOTE]
Well that was certainly informative, if not a bit pathological, wasn't it?

[QUOTE=Orangganteng;1615030]You are correct. It's best to ignore posters like him.
Does anyone have any recommend for a place to go Sunday night?[/QUOTE]
So there is no misunderstanding, the above was directed at another poster. A really informative and helpful contribution.

[QUOTE=Orangganteng;1845891]What a coincidence. He posts photos like that on here for 10 years, then right after arguing with you about posting photos, someone from this site shows them to the girls.[/QUOTE]
See my response earlier in this thread. I guess the fact I was one of a few people who argued with that Ko guy about what did and did not represent a legitimate contribution to this forum (I stated it did not necessarily require photo documentation) means I must have shown the girls at Maribaya and D's place his photos. How moronic.

[QUOTE=Orangganteng;1846467]Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

It's pretty obvious what happened.[/QUOTE]To Orangganteng.

LA is right old Ko have been accused many ISG member included myself for not posting photo than I am not for real, Yet all his photo is from the same girl over and over again he pick up at the place and maurabya some is old from 10 yr ago.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1845842]Apart from the governor Ahok there are no Chinese or indeed non-Muslim senior officials in the Jakarta administration. One Christian woman was appointed a district head in South Jakarta last year and that caused a brouhaha.

It has been suggested to me that this is a big play by Ahok to recreate the old official red-light district that used to be in existence in North Jakarta and which was shut down in the early 90's (if I am not mistaken). Ahok has already said that he believes that prostitution cannot be outlawed but it should be regulated and controlled in one specific venue.

I can't help but think he is on to a loser with this strategy. He will certainly be able to close all the current venues (all complacent ideas that big business interests would prove stronger than the local administration were conclusively rebutted when Stadium was closed) but the idea that he will be able then to open a super, official red-light district is absurd. Not with the febrile atmosphere that is going on now, not with this whole anti-LGBT, anti-porno, anti-booze sentiment that is being whipped up.

Face it gentlemen, things are changing here more rapidly than we realise. Accept it in the way you have accepted everything else. Just like booze there will still be plenty of opportunities available, but just like booze it will take much more time and effort to get it, you won't just be able to pop out and pick it up as you feel like, and it's going to cost a lot more too.

Sad, but there you have it.[/QUOTE]Hate to admit things will change but I do believe you will be proven correct.

Once the govt sets there sights on an agenda it will happen but just how long is the question.

Remember when govt said they will close Dollyworld, some argue Dollyworld in Surabaya would never close. Well, guess who won on that.

Now the govt has set its sights on Jakarta. Said will take 3 yrs. It may take more than 3 yrs but in the end the govt will always get their way.

[QUOTE=Sharka;1846799]Hate to admit things will change but I do believe you will be proven correct.

Once the govt sets there sights on an agenda it will happen but just how long is the question.

Remember when govt said they will close Dollyworld, some argue Dollyworld in Surabaya would never close. Well, guess who won on that.

Now the govt has set its sights on Jakarta. Said will take 3 yrs. It may take more than 3 yrs but in the end the govt will always get their way.[/QUOTE]Here is a timeline with links to various articles on the events leading to the closing of Kalijodo. [URL]http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/kalijodo[/URL] (you will need to scroll down to see the timeline)..

Here is an article about how some of the sex workers from Kalijodo moved to another area but the authorities essentially intercepted and removed them. [URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/03/01/kalijodo-girls-move-nearby-red-light-districts.html[/URL]

To my eyes this continues to look like a serious situation that could eventually affect many, if not most, of the venues we like to frequent. But I guess the Alexis Hotel will be an initial test of how far they want to go with this and whether they are also serious about closing down the mid- to upper-class places..

Got to agree with previous poster, The blok as we knew it is in its death throws, Its as if the same girls that were there ten years ago never left, the VIP room ladies will be arriving in wheelchairs soon and I guess we won't have to worry about about teethmarks there almost down to there gums. Mybar doesn't start until 2 am and even then its full of tattooed hacks and ambone's mafia. Theres the odd young dancer in DS that's worth shagging but that's about it. Thanks God I know how to work the dating sites, internet has always been my preferred option anyway. The Oktagon has got it nailed every chick I see coming out of there is smoking hot, no grannies in there, but Kareoke not my scene either, ahhh if only there was a time machine.

[QUOTE=RodneyRude;1846843]Got to agree with previous poster, The blok as we knew it is in its death throws, Its as if the same girls that were there ten years ago never left, the VIP room ladies will be arriving in wheelchairs soon and I guess we won't have to worry about about teethmarks there almost down to there gums. Mybar doesn't start until 2 am and even then its full of tattooed hacks and ambone's mafia. Theres the odd young dancer in DS that's worth shagging but that's about it. Thanks God I know how to work the dating sites, internet has always been my preferred option anyway. The Oktagon has got it nailed every chick I see coming out of there is smoking hot, no grannies in there, but Kareoke not my scene either, ahhh if only there was a time machine.[/QUOTE]I know you score most of your talent from dating sites and web apps. And there is good talent to be found there if you have the time to put in to chat them up. But there is something to be said about going to a bar, having a drink, and chatting the girls up live.

I have visited the blok a few times in the last few weeks and I was impressed. I was in Top Gun a week or so ago and there were about 10 girls who I would have considered taking home. I can't even remember the last time I saw that. Hell, I was in CJs on a ladies night and there weren't 10 girls I would have considered taking home. The girl I took home that night was 20 years old. If she was on the blok 10 years ago, it must have been as one of the little girl street beggars. There has been some very nice talent on the blok recently. And the band in TG was absolutely rockin'. I like the bands at TG way better than the ones at Bats or CJs. My Bar has some good talent too starting around 2 am. Yes, the majority of girls in there are nightmares, but they are invisible to me. There were over 5 girls in there the last time I was there that I would gladly have taken home. Other than Dees place and that absolutely worthless Obama place, I don't think the Blok is dead at all at the moment. I don't think the Blok is as good as it was in 2001, but it's not bad.

From the beginning I didn't plan this visit to be on a budget or like Cheap Charlie, but it turned out a bit like that.

Three years ago since my first visit, but most things are like I remember them. At arrivals I was qouted ridicously high prices (200-250 k) for taxis (unknown companies, no Bluebirds at T1 b). I walked a few meters over to departures, lots of taxis dropping off, but they are not allowed to pick up. So I wanted to try the Damri airport couch, I knew from last time that taking it is easy. Yes, no problem, a porter helped me with my luggage and found the right bus (destination Gambir, 40 k). The bus started at once and drove quickly to the city. Note that this may be quicker than waiting for a taxi. At Gambir there are always becacs (tuktuks) waiting. It was raining so it was difficult to negotiate, 40 k to my hotel, G7. This hotel is nearby Hotel Classic and only costs 336 k. A simple place, but very nice.