Jakarta

I chose G7 Hotel due to the walking distance to Classic, so the next day I went there. Same as in 2013, and the price is only slightly up. I have a feeling the line-up is slightly down though, same with the service (CBJ seems to be the standard now). There are clubs on the ground floor, on 2nd and on 5th. No topless dancing anymore. Karaoke on 3rd and 4th. Spa in the basement. I only tried the clubs. First I went with a girl from 5th, pretty, but basic services, still ok for the price, 350 k. Later I found one from ground floor, same same, but here only 300 k. I suggest going here early, after 10 pm scores of local party goers arrive. Don't expect to much in bed though. But the good things about Classic are the prices, the easy procedures and many girls too choose from (some pretty, some mediocre. Insist on choosing yourself).

The next evening I went to CJs in hotel Mulia. Wednesday girls' night. The place was packed, that means it were many girls too. BUT: few attractive ones! This surprised me a bit since CJs is an expensive place (it is said the FLs here quote 1. 5 to 2 M for LT). I scouted around there for a while, the quite room to the left of the entrance seemed to be the best area. Then I got tired and left, but I might be back another night, as there were some hotties and I want some LT.

The third evening I took a taxi to Hotel Fm1. They have a spa on the 3rd floor, 300 k for an hour, I didn't ask if this is only to use the spa or if it also includes time with a girl. Instead I went to the club on 5th floor. Same setup as Hotel Classic, only on a smaller scale. The girls here seemed more personal and friendly compared to Classic. Tiered pricing, girls in one group are 270 k, in another 550 k. I didn't notice much of a difference in looks. I went with one from the former group, nice girl, but also here the service was somewhat mecanical.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1847100]
The next evening I went to CJs in hotel Mulia. Wednesday girls' night. The place was packed, that means it were many girls too. BUT: few attractive ones! This surprised me a bit since CJs is an expensive place (it is said the FLs here quote 1. 5 to 2 M for LT). I scouted around there for a while, the quite room to the left of the entrance seemed to be the best area. Then I got tired and left, but I might be back another night, as there were some hotties and I want some LT.[/QUOTE]I noticed that as well the last time I went to CJs on a ladies night. The place was packed, but very few hotties. But I went on a Thursday night and the place had quite a few very nice girls. I asked the girl I was talking with (stunner) where the hot girls were on ladies night. She told me she refuses to go to CJs on ladies night because there are too many girls and it drives the price down. I'm not sure if that's why the other stunners didn't show up, but I would prefer getting a stunner on a normal night over a lower priced mediocre chick on ladies night.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1846815]Here is a timeline with links to various articles on the events leading to the closing of Kalijodo. [URL]http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/kalijodo[/URL] (you will need to scroll down to see the timeline)..

Here is an article about how some of the sex workers from Kalijodo moved to another area but the authorities essentially intercepted and removed them. [URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/03/01/kalijodo-girls-move-nearby-red-light-districts.html[/URL]

To my eyes this continues to look like a serious situation that could eventually affect many, if not most, of the venues we like to frequent. But I guess the Alexis Hotel will be an initial test of how far they want to go with this and whether they are also serious about closing down the mid- to upper-class places..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the links.

I have not kept up with the Kalijodo situation and didn't realize the rumors just 2 yrs ago had gone from rumors to full demolition and eviction. It's sad to see another establish RLD wiped out for good. Even sadder is there's almost never any new RLD to replace the old ones. The mongering world is indeed getting smaller.

Now that Kalijodo is gone I suspect their eyes will be on other venues of vice as the dominate Muslim govt don't want the stigma of sex associated with their country. It will spread like a bad cancer. First it was Dollyworld, then Stadium, then Kalijodo and next everything else in future will be fair game.

Wonder where all the displaced girls from Kalijodo ended up?

I'd be curious how many people here have actually even visited Kalijodo once in their life. It was definitely not a popular place among foreigners.

Now if they close Hotel Classic, that will be something. But closing Kalijodo is a non factor as far as I'm concerned.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1847267]Now if they close Hotel Classic, that will be something. But closing Kalijodo is a non factor as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Most folks on this form had not even heard of Kalijodo, till just before my trip when some monger brought it up as to what that area was. Then I visited, a bit more talk and that's all that is, mostly talk from mongers here and just a handful who have actually visited it. I think it's just more talk about Alexis too and once the owner agrees to higher bribes, we'll never hear about any more shut downs.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1847267]I'd be curious how many people here have actually even visited Kalijodo once in their life. It was definitely not a popular place among foreigners.

Now if they close Hotel Classic, that will be something. But closing Kalijodo is a non factor as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE]I spent a few hours there last year. It was and interesting experience roaming the area, exploring the nooks and crannies, and visiting the bars. The beers were large room temperature bottles at 50 k rupiah, served with ice in the glass.

It didn't feel unsafe and people / touts were generally cool. A few touts seemed a little aggressive or drunk / drug affected but it was nothing worse than pulling on your arm for you to go into their bar.

It was 150 k for the women, but there weren't any that interested me. Most of the girls were rough close up.

Not worth it when you can get a girl at Travel or Classic for 350 k.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1847296]Agreed. Most folks on this form had not even heard of Kalijodo, till just before my trip when some monger brought it up as to what that area was. Then I visited, a bit more talk and that's all that is, mostly talk from mongers here and just a handful who have actually visited it. I think it's just more talk about Alexis too and once the owner agrees to higher bribes, we'll never hear about any more shut downs.[/QUOTE]I hope you are right, but the political atmosphere right now seems to be getting increasingly anti-prostitution. It looks like another low-end red-light district, Dadap, is now looking at a forced closure suggesting the government is getting rather serious about this. [URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/03/04/prostitution-business-dadap-well-organized-regent.html[/URL].

I agree though whether they go through with their threats against the Alexis Hotel will be a better test of how far this thing is likely to go.

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Wonder where all the displaced girls from Kalijodo ended up?[/QUOTE]Dadap maybe?

[QUOTE=Menteng;1847454]Dadap maybe?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/03/04/prostitution-business-dadap-well-organized-regent.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1847546][URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/03/04/prostitution-business-dadap-well-organized-regent.html[/URL][/QUOTE]No need to read the entire article as the last line said it all.

All of Indonesia, not just Jakarta, will be RLD free by 2019 if the govt plan is fully implemented. This govt is serious about getting rid of the sex trade and they seem to be winning with the tear down entire neighborhoods tactic. With hundreds of police to enforce evictions, the businesses don't stand a chance.

Again I used the map function on Agoda to find a hotel: Falletehan Hotel by Satin is on Blok M, on the same street as the Bule bars. Price: 490 k. A good hotel except for the noise from the nearby mosque. Different from Hotel G7, Internet is censored here. (G7 is the only place in Indonesia I have got uncensored Internet.).

At 1 am I hit the bars in Fallatehan street. It hasn't changed nuch in the last three years: not very interesting, really. D's, My Bar and Top Gun seem to be the best places. Then there are two more places that seem boring. D's or My Bar have dancers (don't remember which of them). Top Gun is the largest and most popular, so I stop for a drink there. By the bar at the entrance a really cute girl is sitting, 23. I buy her a drink. She will go for 1 M, but can only stay until 6 am. Still, she is so good looking that I say yes. But then she wants the money up-front. I say I always pay after. So I cancel the deal and leave the place. I take a taxi down to Hotel Mulia and CJs. Then I misread the meter when I'm paying and pay too small an amount. The driver notifies me, he seems annoyed. I excuse myself and give the balance. He takes it and replies: "dickhead".

Inside CJs there are less people than Wednesday, but still quite a lot. Also today it's a mixed crowd, and not many attractive girls. In fact it's only marginally better than Wednesday. The problem in this kind of FL place is that it's difficult to evaluate their bodies due to clothing and the fact that most are sitting down. I chat up one that looks good, after a some small talk she mentions 2 M, she will stay all night, and it's ok for me to pay after. I counter with 1. 5 M, something she accepts, and off we go.

She's quite nice, but seeing her without make-up and clothes I get a bit disappointed. We shower together, bbbj. FS in multiple positions. But it's not like what I am used to from Thailand and Philippines. We sleep, then it's repeat in the morning.

[QUOTE=Sharka;1847675]No need to read the entire article as the last line said it all.

All of Indonesia, not just Jakarta, will be RLD free by 2019 if the govt plan is fully implemented. This govt is serious about getting rid of the sex trade and they seem to be winning with the tear down entire neighborhoods tactic. With hundreds of police to enforce evictions, the businesses don't stand a chance.[/QUOTE]According to Wikipedia a red-light district is a part of an urban area where a concentration of prostitution and sex-oriented businesses, such as sex shops, strip clubs, adult theaters, etc. Is found. Strictly speaking places such as Classic and Malioboro are not red light districts. They are buildings and not districts. If the report said the plan to shut down Dadap is in line with the central government's plan for a prostitution free Indonesia by 2019 rather than a red-light district free Indonesia then that would mean that places like Classic an Malioboro would be targeted as well, otherwise, it would be wise to interpret the report as an intention to retain in operation the prostitution in the hotels and spas.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1845842]Apart from the governor Ahok there are no Chinese or indeed non-Muslim senior officials in the Jakarta administration.[/QUOTE]Didn't read through all of the replies yet, but just wanted to say that the Governor is Chinese-Indo. And before Governor, he had a high position within the city.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basuki_Tjahaja_Purnama[/URL]

He is apparently anti-corruption, a very straight shooter, and wants to clean things up.

I talked to a local who said the government wanted to create one red light district in the city instead of having everything spread out. I have no idea if it is true.

My feeling is that the city is getting much less fun. I'm afraid they are just starting on the obvious, and then will tighten all screws until it is just no-fun city.

The last day I walk to the bus terminal at BlokM, it's just across the street, so very convenient. Again I notice how helpful and honest Indonesians are. (An interesting comparison to the Phillippines here.) The hotel portier carries my luggage to the bus, and he refuses any tips. The Damri airport bus is very good, better seats and leg space than in a taxi.

I won't be back in Jakarta if I don't have to though. Mongering and entertainment is better in some of the other Asian countries, even more so now than before.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1848239]I won't be back in Jakarta if I don't have to though. Mongering and entertainment is better in some of the other Asian countries, even more so now than before.[/QUOTE]What countries and cities in Asia do you consider better for mongering than Indonesia / Jakarta? I am just curious.