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[QUOTE=Maxime;2028864]I am afraid your first criterium is difficult to match with criteria 2 and 3 in NRW. There are clubs where service of the girls is key and so DFK (and BBBJ, etc) is the norm, but most are smaller clubs. The big clubs mostly focus on tourists and have bad reputation (among the regular visitors) if you really want good service without too much chance on failure. If DFK is the most important, avoid clubs like Oceans, Magnum, GT, etc. Smaller clubs like Babylon (near Cologne), Luder Lounge (near Dortmund), Bernds Schieferhof (near Bonn) are famous for the service of the girls, but are limited in opening times and / or facilities.

Maybe Babylon (in Elsdorf, NOT the one in Hamburg!) will suit your needs the most. Of course you can find decent girls in the larger clubs mentioned also, but prepare for failure!

In other areas it is roughly the same, except maybe Sakura (near Stutgart) and Globe (near Zurich) that are large clubs with decent facilities AND service focussed girls.[/QUOTE]It's a real shame that none of these clubs open later as I will be busy during the day. I'm now seriously considering going over a bit earlier on and experiencing Bernds on a Friday I think I will miss out otherwise. The downside of going there, then maybe a larger club next day is that it will be a big disappointment potentially (I think I really need to consider Babylon also for Saturday, but I doubt I'll be able to get over there until 8:30 or 9 pm which doesn't mean much time inside Maxime, thanks for this excellent answer.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2027489]Living Room is a better choice than Oceans from a service standpoint. I would avoid Oceans if I were you -- you can ignore Pistons who appears to be trying to steer the tourists to Oceans.

Samya is a reasonable choice also. I personally prefer Living Room over Samya.

Just my opinion.

The best would be to visit all of them multiple times on multiple days over multiple times to see which ones you personally prefer.

Unfortunately, nobody here is going to be able to extend you a money-back guarantee or anything like that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2027576]Wednesday is a low casting day everywhere except Sharks with discount day. You may find about 30/40 girls at Samya after 5 pm, don t believe their planning, maybe 25 at LR at 6 pm, but quantity is not quality, LR is for me the highest in Germany for girls services, the only one to compete with Switzerland.[/QUOTE]All I care about is diversity. I like them black persian and Hispanic honeys. But I also like what looks good and FKK seldom disappoint.

Pistons has given very fair advice and from what I can tell (s) he has not shilled. So I don't get the hate.

Based on the website Living Room looks way better. And has free beer. So I'm down with that.

I will check it out and report back. I do appreciate the feedback.

[QUOTE=Weebey;2028869]It's a real shame that none of these clubs open later as I will be busy during the day. I'm now seriously considering going over a bit earlier on and experiencing Bernds on a Friday I think I will miss out otherwise. The downside of going there, then maybe a larger club next day is that it will be a big disappointment potentially (I think I really need to consider Babylon also for Saturday, but I doubt I'll be able to get over there until 8:30 or 9 pm which doesn't mean much time inside Maxime, thanks for this excellent answer.[/QUOTE]

Berrds on a Friday is a good choice (but what time you will arrive?). Arriving in Babylon at 9 pm is indeed a little late for that club, atmosphere is rapidly declining around 10-11 pm (it closes around 1 am).

Alternative would be to visit Babylon on Friday (early afternoon is good timing) and if you only have time on Saturday (late) evening, Magnum is a good option, but be aware of many failures, so do good pre-session (service check) interviews there! Since then you already had good sex on Friday, you have no stress and can take your time to make the right choice (and decline many golddiggers first).

[QUOTE=Maxime;2029224]Berrds on a Friday is a good choice (but what time you will arrive?). Arriving in Babylon at 9 pm is indeed a little late for that club, atmosphere is rapidly declining around 10-11 pm (it closes around 1 am).

Alternative would be to visit Babylon on Friday (early afternoon is good timing) and if you only have time on Saturday (late) evening, Magnum is a good option, but be aware of many failures, so do good pre-session (service check) interviews there! Since then you already had good sex on Friday, you have no stress and can take your time to make the right choice (and decline many golddiggers first).[/QUOTE]I may be able to get there for 8 pm for Friday I'm hoping.

So Saturday, actually I've not really read up on Magnum yet. So would you recommend this over other larger / later opening clubs?

UltraHappy: don't bullshit about what I appear to be doing please. It is starting to sound like a conspiracy theory. Tin foil hat next? I just report on my findings no matter what club. And personal opinnions. Not my fault if others have different opinnions...

[QUOTE=Ggeorge6;2029216]All I care about is diversity. I like them black persian and Hispanic honeys. But I also like what looks good and FKK seldom disappoint.

Pistons has given very fair advice and from what I can tell (s) he has not shilled. So I don't get the hate.

Based on the website Living Room looks way better. And has free beer. So I'm down with that.

I will check it out and report back. I do appreciate the feedback.[/QUOTE]I think you got all the infos, if you like diversity you have to go to a big clubs: Oase, World, Shark, GT, even you get some other infos those are the biggest nicest club with the strongest LU. Also if you are not used to visit FKK it is also the best club to start.

[QUOTE=Weebey;2029260]So Saturday, actually I've not really read up on Magnum yet. So would you recommend this over other larger / later opening clubs?[/QUOTE]When you ask for larger club do you mean a club with a larger amount of girls or one with the largest amount of square footage? If you want a large club, Magnum is the largest even larger than the biggest Hessen club. However, the large club definitely does not translate into the largest number of girls by any means. The other large club in size in NRW is Oceans. Mainly negative reviews, questionable scam artist staff, but some guys seemingly love this place. As for late opening clubs there is ACA, Mondial, and Samya open til 5 am on Fri and Sat nights and LR open til 4 am every night. Keep in mind Mondial, LR, and Samya are all small clubs. ACA may be open to 5 but many girls do not work til 5 am. Dolce Vita is another late opening club to 5 am nightly I believe. Even that would be a better choice than Magnum. Another small club though.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2029622]UltraHappy: don't bullshit about what I appear to be doing please. It is starting to sound like a conspiracy theory. Tin foil hat next? I just report on my findings no matter what club. And personal opinnions. Not my fault if others have different opinnions...[/QUOTE]Too many mind guys prefer to bullshit about guys, rather than behaving to get from girls. Some even pay for time to speak with my girls about me. Amazing. Like some who pay to chat or drink or sleep without sex, funny. On Friday, I saw one playing like in kindergarten with his girl and he had to pay for this. I always say to my girls, I pay only for sex in room, never for chat, with more and more often extra offered.

I'm happy for you to be able to find good girls for you at Oceans, I didn't, but I found again Emma. De Oceans, now at LR as Jana, and I really enjoyed her LR behavior, not sure I would have the same level at Oceans. Most girls usually offer standard club services.

I posted below information in Sharks forum, about the discussion for WGs service price.

First all, we should acknowledge that all these WGs are actually service providers, they are entitled to get fair and reasonable pay. However, Excessive competition between WGs leads to not only a decline in the quality of service but the prevalence of frustration for both sides. There must be a win-win situation.

I have gone with more than 50 girls in the past three years in different clubs. According to my own experience, majority of them accept 100 one-hour session and would like to provide decent service. They all complained 50 half-hours session and considered mongers might take advantage through that.

So I think the better pricing structure is to set the minimum service to 1 hour for 100 instead of the current half hour. After this first initial hour, 50 for every extension of half an hour.

I am sure most girl would be happy with this pricing structure.

[QUOTE=JohnEllee;2029860]
So I think the better pricing structure is to set the minimum service to 1 hour for 100 instead of the current half hour. After this first initial hour, 50 for every extension of half an hour.

I am sure most girl would be happy with this pricing structure.[/QUOTE]Maybe a few would gain from it if they look like 10's and allways have guys wanting to take them to the room, but the total pool of money spent in FKK's would drop. And not just by a fraction. Perhaps by 20-30%. This is simple financial theory.

You want the current 30 min/1 hour because of 1. The initial entry cost for the clubs, 2. Fractional spending, 3. global competition and 4. the history of girls sometimes trying to cheat on time...

So a guy goes to a club and wants to try out some new girls. The risk is now 100 per girl instead of 50. Given that a lot of girls aren't even worth half hour in a room, how are we to spend an hour. Such sessions would end early, effectively doubling the price on some occasions. It would provide an incentive for greedy girls to give bad service so the session ends after 15 minutes and they can try to get their second 100 in an hour.

A minimum of 100 would increase the risk to customers and as a result lead to a significant reduction of expenditure on new girls, exactly as Pistons says, and would it make it even harder to establish themselves.

Poor service has absolutely nothing to do with competition caused by oversupply of girls. It has all to do with greed and the susceptibility of purchasers. If the price were doubled it would only prove to greedy girls that customers have loads of money so should buy them presents and give them extra.

There are still many girls giving good service and they are busy all day.

Personally I would never pay for a girl in FKK who parcels up her service into portions each of which costs a bit extra. For this I'd go to the RLD, pay a lot less, and still find some great service providers. I go to FKK to meet nice girls who are comfortable with me and vice versa.

I don't see why we should be rushing to support girls who complain about us not paying as much as they would like. With girls like that we would be better off (financially and emotionally and sexually) in monogamous marriages: my wife would never treat me like the greedy girls

Girls are getting incomes of 5, 6, 7, 8000 a month. That's a lot of money in my book.

Next time a fraudster (and i don't mean just in clubs) tries something on me I will reflect that they are probably from a poor country and have a sick family to support, so I will offer some money in the hope that he/she will mend their ways?

(Of course what I say is a gross generalisation).

JohnEllee. You went with 50 girls and they ALL complained about 30 minute sessions? How did this subject come up with 100% regularity.

You say they would like to provide decent service. I don't accept that premise. There is nothing to stop them, apart from their wrongheaded attempt to get extra money by undermining the fundamentals of FKKs and intentionally giving bad service.

As I said in an earlier post, and as you say, workers deserve fair pay. My view is that workers generally should get a significantly larger share of the cake. This is a different matter to workers exploiting their customers by introducing sharp practice. Raising FKK prices will in no way, I believe, reduce the motivation for greedy workers to exploit whatever options they have to extract further extra money by limiting their service

I remember you saying that 3000 euros is nothing to you or most mongers. I wonder how many club regulars consider that to be nothing?

Upselling is not really a problem as long as it is not being voiced at the wrong time. Which basically means during foreplay, before entering the room, or once inside. It is rude, and seen as a mood breaker.

It should be told at reception when you enter. Like at least two of the pro Artemis receptionits did in the past. And it is not because the girls worked for the place. It is to avoid the bad timing of upsells.

And upselling is basically fractional spending. The problem is just the cost of these in my eyes miniscule extras. I don't know who came up with that idea, but he was no Einstein...

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029987]
Poor service has absolutely nothing to do with competition caused by oversupply of girls. It has all to do with greed and the susceptibility of purchasers.
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[QUOTE=Optimist;2029987]
Girls are getting incomes of 5, 6, 7, 8000 a month. That's a lot of money in my book.
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Money isn't the real problem for these girls. The real problem is ensuring they are working in happy environments with some basic oversight that ensures the bad providers don't poison things for the good providers. Subconsciously women are always looking for social structures with good rules (even / especially when they are putting those rules to the test by flouting them).

When greedy girls dominate and provide poor service, the customers grow wary and business goes way down, meaning a loss of morale (and income) for all of the girls. "Improving" the pricing structure would have no effect on this problem: if anything, it would make it worse. It is more important to focus on ethics than money and shift the focus of attention to quality service.

Optimist, excellent points. Couldn't have written them better myself.