Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Roccotopo]Hi, I have been in Bangkok last month for the first time I my life (40 years), I had a great time with gogo girls met in Soy Cowboy, one in particular, a beautiful 24 year old Isaan girl from Tilac.

She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!

I spent with her the last two days before going back to Europe, now we call each other twice a week (she even called me on my mobile one day), we write e-mails daily, she is keep saying she wants me to take her away to Europe, is that normal?

Roccotopo[/QUOTE]No, it is not normal. What is normal is: you start sending her funds via Western Union on a weekly basis. then, you return at the first opportunity and buy a house for her (and whatever family member who happens to need one), then you get her pregnant (or someone else does), then you marry and enjoy the wild ride upon which you have embarked!

[QUOTE=Roccotopo]
She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!
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What, you didn't get her to do your washing/ironing as well? Foolish.

A favorite ploy is for them to insist on seeing you off at the airport. She will tell you it is because she loves and will miss you but in fact she is hoping to bleed you of your last Baht (and maybe some dollars too) before you fly away with that lovestruck grin on your face. Did this happen?

Or maybe she steered you into a gold shop?

Of course she might be genuine and we are just a cynical load of b's. It does happen same as I saw a pig on the take off strip other day.

She might be a pretty woman but I assume that you are not Richard Gere. So how much did she take you for over your few days of bliss?

Don't worry, it has happened to us all. That is part of the spell that keeps us coming back trying to recreate the innocent magic of that long ago cherry trip.

Experts,

I'm scheduled for Thailand for 3 weeks, was thinking mostly BKK and Pattaya. But recent posts have been saying a lot of the 'talent' is gone. Also, I'm approaching 50 and not exactly thin any more-last trip I definitely got a good number of rejects, esp for LT and esp w/the top of the crop. Quite a few girls (in both Thailand and Germany) think I'm Arab/Iranian and apparently don't like folks from that part of the world.

Also, Pattaya even in good times is at least 50% older ladies, mothers, not exactly the male fantasy.

Seriously considering cancelling the trip.

I do see people mention other regions, but don't know any of them (except a little about Phuket, never been there tho). Are there other regions worth going to? Rent a car? 1 week BKK, 1 week Pattaya, where else 1 other week?

Got no idea what to do so any input helpful.

[QUOTE=Booey]I honestly don't know if this is a troll or not, but I'll take the post at face value and try to give an honest answer.

Well, it's not abnormal and it happens quite a lot that a bargirl (bg) will keep in contact with you once you leave Thailand. There is generally only one reason why she wants to stay in contact with you, you've got money and she wants it!

The scenario can play out in many ways, here are some to mull over:

1) She wants to stay on your radar in case you come back to Thailand, hoping that you will use her "services" again and often. Why is that you may ask? It's because she wants your money. To be honest, I have some regulars who email me, I have a mongering email address, once in awhile to say hi and to stay on my radar, they haven't asked for $$, as yet. I think they know better. I actually find their emails quite amusing and harmless.

2) Now this scenario is a little more serious. Eventually, you may get requests for money due to some emergency, her baby/parents are sick and she needs cash to get them medicine or medical care. It could be anything really, work is slow and she needs help with her rent, blah, blah, blah. She will most likely add that if you care about her you will send her the money. Don't believe a word of it, she is lying. Why would she lie, you ask? It's because she wants your money!

3) She may soon tell you that she loves you and that she doesn't want to go with any other man, Thai or Farang, and that she wants to leave the bar and go home to her village and that she will wait for you. Then she will say, "Teerak, if I leave the bar, I will not have enough money to live and take care of me, my baby and my family so you will have to send me money (insert amount here) every month. She may not be so eloquent, but you get my drift. Believe me, if you start sending her money here is what will really happen, she will not go back to her village, she will stay in BKK and keep on working at the gogo's. She will probably leave Tilac and move to another gogo, just in case you send friends to Tilac to check if she is there. Most of the money will go to her Thai boyfriend. Remember she is lying, because she wants your money!

4) Now here is the big one, the holy grail of bg's. She is hoping that you have believed her lies and are now convinced that she loves you. You have fallen for scenarios #2 & #3. You believe that you are both in love, maybe you've even made some trips back to Thailand to visit her. She's taken you to her village and you've met her family, etc, etc. Everything is great! What is the holy grail of bg's you ask? It is that you will marry her, so then she can really get down to business and milk you like a buffalo for every penny that you have. There are many ways she can do this, some of these are: 1) She will convince you to buy land in Thailand and then to build a beautiful house on that land, in her name of course, because remember you are not Thai and you cannot own land in Thailand; 2) Request a ridiculous amount of sin sot (dowry) to be paid to her family before you can get married, I suggest you look up sin sot by the way; 3) Move back to your homeland with you and after she gets her residency or citizenship there, she may accuse you of abuse and soak you in the divorce. These are but a few of the ways she may get your money, I encourage other members here to post some others for our friends edification. Remember, she is lying, because she wants your money!

Ok, I admit that I have been a little harsh here and that in fact some marriages to bargirls do work out. Stickman, wrote a column about bg marriages today, as a matter of fact. I am being harsh here because our friend seems so clueless and needs a wake up call! I suggest that he read Private Dancer and then do some research here and on some other sites as well. Rocco, best of luck to you and remember she is lying because she wants your money!!!!

Anyway, who cares, he's probably a troll! ;)[/QUOTE]


Damn Booey,

You are quite the cynic.

Of course you are also 100% correct; ALL women are looking for the money.

Roccotoppo can read his same story repeatedly in many forums.

Hopefully he will learn from the feedback on his post.

Guido88

[QUOTE=Guido88]Damn Booey,

You are quite the cynic.

Of course you are also 100% correct; ALL women are looking for the money.

Roccotoppo can read his same story repeatedly in many forums.

Hopefully he will learn from the feedback on his post.

Guido88[/QUOTE]

I admit that I did come off a little cynical, but I wanted to make a point and I think a harsh reminder is needed for nearly everyone once in awhile. I have also recently finished reading Private Dancer, which Stickman assures me is the most accurate portrayal of the bargirl scene out there. If you haven't read it, I suggest that you do, it is quite the eye-opener.

I also have to admit that when it comes down to it, I can actually be a bit of a softie. I treat the girls with respect and I am kind to them, hell, I've even spent 50 baht on getting a girl something to eat or drink on the way to the hotel! I do my research before going to SEA and I pay them what I deem to be the fair rate at the time, I do not overpay, at least in my mind, and I have never had any complaints from the girls. If I think they want too much (too mut), I generally walk. I don't want to take a pissed off bg back to my loom, if she thinks I am a Cheap Charlie, I'm guessing the service is going to be pretty bad.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I do have some regular go to girls,who all know that I am a bit of a butterfly (because I told them that I am), and I do treat them better than other girls. I pay them the same rate as other girls, but if I am in the mood, I will take them to a Disco, dinner or to see some live music, etc. But, they all know it is up to me, not them. I even took the time to teach one my regs to swim. Although this turned out to be much more to my benefit than hers, as after a couple of "lessons" she asked if she could bring some friends next time. Woohoo!

Here's the thing though, I genuinely like my regulars, they are fun and they give good service, and I honestly believe that, in fact, they actually like me. BUT, I never lose sight of the fact that in the end it boils down to money. They know I am a butterfly and they also know that if they complain about it, then we are done and I know that if they hit the mother lode with another customer then we are, in some cases, also done. If they have a sponsor or boyfriend then I wish them well and leave it to them to contact me.

Thank you all,

Roccotopo

[QUOTE=Booey]I also have to admit that when it comes down to it, I can actually be a bit of a softie. I treat the girls with respect and I am kind to them, hell, I've even spent 50 baht on getting a girl something to eat or drink on the way to the hotel! .[/QUOTE]Same here. These girls, many of them, live unhappy lives. I do my best to be half decent to them. Maybe that makes me a sucker but I don't let any of them take advantage of me. But some posters here and elsewhere seem to want to get the most out of the girls, pay as little as possible, just generally have no humanity or sense of decency, as if you can cheat these poor girls out of 50 baht, you somehow 'win'.

Because the girls are often treated badly, they get a bad attitude, which they then take out on you. Vicious circle. Ruins it for everyone.

Then again, if you're too nice, they'll take advantage and try to get one over on you. Balancing act.

'You Never Turned Around to See the Frowns on the Jugglers and the Clowns When They All Come Down and Did Tricks for You'

[QUOTE=Beagleface]Experts,

I'm scheduled for Thailand for 3 weeks, was thinking mostly BKK and Pattaya. But recent posts have been saying a lot of the 'talent' is gone. Also, I'm approaching 50 and not exactly thin any more-last trip I definitely got a good number of rejects, esp for LT and esp w/the top of the crop. Quite a few girls (in both Thailand and Germany) think I'm Arab/Iranian and apparently don't like folks from that part of the world.

Also, Pattaya even in good times is at least 50% older ladies, mothers, not exactly the male fantasy.

Seriously considering cancelling the trip.

I do see people mention other regions, but don't know any of them (except a little about Phuket, never been there tho). Are there other regions worth going to? Rent a car? 1 week BKK, 1 week Pattaya, where else 1 other week?

Got no idea what to do so any input helpful.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure that you will enjoy the P4P scene more elsewhere in Thailand than in Bangkok or Pattaya... Even if I also believe that the situation is not as good in those two cities than in the past, they still are (IMHO) the best places for our favorite hobby in Thailand (at least for the mongers who don't speak some Thai) and great talents may be found here, even if they are (proportionally) less numerous than a few years ago. The prices are higher nowadays (especially in Bangkok), and more and more unattractive (IMHO) women are trying their luck on the P4P market (especially in Pattaya), so, the real cute ones are becoming a small minority.

But the local market in Phuket, Koh Samui or Chiang Mai (for instance) is not better. Prices are (on average) higher than in Pattaya (but a bit lower than in Bangkok usually), you won't have the same variety of choice and your options will be less numerous (smaller P4P markets).

I would not recommend the Isan region if you don't speak at least some basic Thai (or a bit of the local dialect which is very similar to the Lao language) and even if you do, you might be disappointed there, as the local scene can not compare to the P4P market in touristic places. I have great fun here, mostly in the local brothels and with certain freelancers (even if I am far than being fluent in Thai), but I really dislike the local Farang-orientated venues (not numerous anyway in these areas) and I am the first to admit that the local talent is not very easy to spot in Northeastern Thailand (especially when you favor the quality of service over the beauty of the provider).

You need some time and patience in Isan (you'll have to make many tries and errors before finding a real gem). At least, P4P is (on average, once again!) much cheaper in Northeastern Thailand than in Bangkok and Pattaya. Girls are (IMHO) more beautiful, they are younger too, but most of the time, not much experienced, they don't speak more than a few words in English (if any) and many (at least at first) will refuse to perform certain things that are (almost) the norm (for instance, a BBBJ) in Farang-oriented destinations.

About the LT "rejections" that you encounter with the most beautiful girls, you should not take it personally as it is clearly a general tendency nowadays. Often, the standard price for a LT session is about twice the ST going rate. The cutest ones would (usually) rather do several ST sessions (more than two) than only one LT: they earn more money this way. Moreover, the most beautiful girls usually have a Thai boyfriend who want them at home for the night (even late).

If I were you, I would stick to Pattaya and Bangkok (for instance, two weeks in Pattaya, one in Bangkok) as it is yet your best bet as a foreigner to get laid and be (usually very well) taken care of easily with almost no hassles if you don't speak the local dialects.

[QUOTE=Beagleface]

Because the girls are often treated badly, they get a bad attitude, which they then take out on you. Vicious circle. Ruins it for everyone.

Then again, if you're too nice, they'll take advantage and try to get one over on you. Balancing act.

[/QUOTE]
Well said!

It really is a balancing act that takes a long time to perfect. Only after you're able to get the hang of the balancing do your rides become sweeter!

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Beagleface: Have you look into going to Dubai. Ladies from all over the world go to provide services. There will be Thai, Phil, China, Pols, Romanian, just about every place you can think of and from the information on the board all are there for st or lt.

QUOTE=Beagleface]Experts,

I'm scheduled for Thailand for 3 weeks, was thinking mostly BKK and Pattaya. But recent posts have been saying a lot of the 'talent' is gone. Also, I'm approaching 50 and not exactly thin any more-last trip I definitely got a good number of rejects, esp for LT and esp w/the top of the crop. Quite a few girls (in both Thailand and Germany) think I'm Arab/Iranian and apparently don't like folks from that part of the world.

Also, Pattaya even in good times is at least 50% older ladies, mothers, not exactly the male fantasy.

Seriously considering cancelling the trip.

I do see people mention other regions, but don't know any of them (except a little about Phuket, never been there tho). Are there other regions worth going to? Rent a car? 1 week BKK, 1 week Pattaya, where else 1 other week?

Got no idea what to do so any input helpful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Strikesfun]
Beagleface: Have you look into going to Dubai. Ladies from all over the world go to provide services. There will be Thai, Phil, China, Pols, Romanian, just about every place you can think of and from the information on the board all are there for st or lt...[/QUOTE]

... at Dubai rates! That's at least twice the price (and often a lot more than that!) than one would pay for the same quality in the most expensive venues or locations in the country of origin of these hookers. Ok, you have variety there, but it's costly.

[QUOTE=Booey]I admit that I did come off a little cynical, but I wanted to make a point and I think a harsh reminder is needed for nearly everyone once in awhile. I have also recently finished reading Private Dancer, which Stickman assures me is the most accurate portrayal of the bargirl scene out there. If you haven't read it, I suggest that you do, it is quite the eye-opener.

I also have to admit that when it comes down to it, I can actually be a bit of a softie. I treat the girls with respect and I am kind to them, hell, I've even spent 50 baht on getting a girl something to eat or drink on the way to the hotel! I do my research before going to SEA and I pay them what I deem to be the fair rate at the time, I do not overpay, at least in my mind, and I have never had any complaints from the girls. If I think they want too much (too mut), I generally walk. I don't want to take a pissed off bg back to my loom, if she thinks I am a Cheap Charlie, I'm guessing the service is going to be pretty bad.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I do have some regular go to girls,who all know that I am a bit of a butterfly (because I told them that I am), and I do treat them better than other girls. I pay them the same rate as other girls, but if I am in the mood, I will take them to a Disco, dinner or to see some live music, etc. But, they all know it is up to me, not them. I even took the time to teach one my regs to swim. Although this turned out to be much more to my benefit than hers, as after a couple of "lessons" she asked if she could bring some friends next time. Woohoo!

Here's the thing though, I genuinely like my regulars, they are fun and they give good service, and I honestly believe that, in fact, they actually like me. BUT, I never lose sight of the fact that in the end it boils down to money. They know I am a butterfly and they also know that if they complain about it, then we are done and I know that if they hit the mother lode with another customer then we are, in some cases, also done. If they have a sponsor or boyfriend then I wish them well and leave it to them to contact me.[/QUOTE]


Booey

I was kidding with the cynic remark. Cynicism is often the result of extensive experience.

Your post was directly on target. Although we all sometimes click with providers attempting to take the relationship anywhere beyond client/hooker or towards home is both futile and expensive.

I find that by treating the girls in a nice manner with humor makes for good current and future sessions. But that is the extent of it.

Hate to see any monger (Rocco) mistake a good time for true love.

Guido88

So I have been to all the clubs on Soi Cowboy, taken out twice from Baccara (both times a nice experience though one of the girls was crazy and bit me strong enough to mark my skin for a week), the other time I bet on the results of a soccer game with the girl, won and she invited me for lunch the next day (she paid!), been hit in the forehead by a ping pong ball and that particular night I am still looking for my dream girl of the night after the bars close.

Head to Nana Liquid and the music is loud. I don't particularly like the place but it is open like until 5 or 6AM and a pick up place so why not. Notice 2 tall girls, one at each end of the bar. The one who stands near the pool tables toasts me, then introduces me to her sister and she hugs the manager, some French guy. OK we dance... She is very skinny, wearing a black dress, smells good, grinds, it all looks fine, she wants 2000 Baht, looks excited that she is going to get them, we head for the hotel.

In the room she won't undress or take her shoes off, I figure something is wrong but no there is no way she is a LB, I check her out, cannot tell but really don't think so. Then she asks me what I am thinking about, I go for a manual check of the situation, she does not allow, yes she is a LB, what the f*** I cannot believe it.

M: Why not tell me in the club?
LB: I thought you knew. Do you want me to go?
M: Yes please.
LB: OK bye. Are you going back to the club?
M: Never again. Bye.

I reckon it might have been the drinks but frankly almost a perfect copy! And I am so glad he did not undress and did not make any trouble to leave, did not even ask for money for the taxi.

By the way I thought this could not happen in the clubs but I remember that one night in Baccara with my GF of the night, she pointed out at a young stud kissing a beauty in a blue dress in the bar upstairs. My GF told me, she does not work here she is a lady boy, the waitress confirmed.

Perhaps I need to stick to MPs after all...

I was barhopping and stopped there because some Coyote girl brought me in. Normally you can't take them out and they are easily recognized by their uniform.

I would have left the bar after one drink but my attention was caught by several girls I could have done. Unfotunately the one I picked, Joyce, was an expert in the art of camouflaging hanging boobs flattened, or should I say destroyed by a resent pregnancy into perky breasts. I did not find out until it was too late, oh well, that is what doggy is for.

But I will go check the place again, see if the other girls in this bar also have something to hide...

[QUOTE=Mahal]I was barhopping and stopped there because some Coyote girl brought me in. Normally you can't take them out and they are easily recognized by their uniform.

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Noramally? You should say, "You can't take them out, PERIOD"! If anyone has been able to barfine a coyote on cowboy, please share.

I will say it again, the whole concept is lame. All the cute ones are non-barfinable and all the ugly ones you can barfine. I don't get it, but I noticed this trend came about the same time as the Japanese invasion took place on soi cowboy. Is there a correlation?