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50 euro is plenty. If they do not like 50 euro they can leave or get whatever normal job they can get which pays better. They are not worth more than 50. If it was 100-200 I would not pay it. That would be 180 to 280 euro with entry plus transport cost, for half hour. German / Western girls cost about that and are more attractive.
Agree with comments and positive environment. Some girls are lazy and dont want to work. They will have that attitude regardless of rate.
Hey,
Looking to FKK round deaux. Everyone here said living room is better but magnum looks great as well. What do yall think for a Wednesday night? Living room or magnum. Does Magnum have free German beer? My priority is relaxation and then diversity (IE black and Hispanic honeys). What do yall think.
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2030019]+1.
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Money isn't the real problem for these girls. The real problem is ensuring they are working in happy environments with some basic oversight that ensures the bad providers don't poison things for the good providers. Subconsciously women are always looking for social structures with good rules (even / especially when they are putting those rules to the test by flouting them).
When greedy girls dominate and provide poor service, the customers grow wary and business goes way down, meaning a loss of morale (and income) for all of the girls. "Improving" the pricing structure would have no effect on this problem: if anything, it would make it worse. It is more important to focus on ethics than money and shift the focus of attention to quality service.[/QUOTE]Fully online with you, also one big problem IDs that many girls are moving from club to club 4 days here, 5 days there, just look at the big cars with romanian plates that are dropping the girls at the entry of the girls, those girls are usually bad service provider.
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2030064]50 euro is plenty. [/QUOTE]I think so. The initial suggestion was to increase it to 60, giving the girls a 20% increase in income each day. But I see many girls who could gain a 200% increase (literally triple their income) simply by changing their behavior when guys walk up to them. There are pretty girls who will sit in a corner chatting with each other and sneer at guys who approach them (many of them quite handsome). So if these girls are happy with just one or two sessions a day then presumably they are not starving and money is not their real problem.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2029987]So a guy goes to a club and wants to try out some new girls. The risk is now 100 per girl instead of 50. Given that a lot of girls aren't even worth half hour in a room, how are we to spend an hour. Such sessions would end early, effectively doubling the price on some occasions. It would provide an incentive for greedy girls to give bad service so the session ends after 15 minutes and they can try to get their second 100 in an hour.
A minimum of 100 would increase the risk to customers and as a result lead to a significant reduction of expenditure on new girls, exactly as Pistons says, and would it make it even harder to establish themselves.
Poor service has absolutely nothing to do with competition caused by oversupply of girls. It has all to do with greed and the susceptibility of purchasers. If the price were doubled it would only prove to greedy girls that customers have loads of money so should buy them presents and give them extra.
There are still many girls giving good service and they are busy all day.
Personally I would never pay for a girl in FKK who parcels up her service into portions each of which costs a bit extra. For this I'd go to the RLD, pay a lot less, and still find some great service providers. I go to FKK to meet nice girls who are comfortable with me and vice versa.
I don't see why we should be rushing to support girls who complain about us not paying as much as they would like. With girls like that we would be better off (financially and emotionally and sexually) in monogamous marriages: my wife would never treat me like the greedy girls
Girls are getting incomes of 5, 6, 7, 8000 a month. That's a lot of money in my book.
Next time a fraudster (and i don't mean just in clubs) tries something on me I will reflect that they are probably from a poor country and have a sick family to support, so I will offer some money in the hope that he/she will mend their ways?
(Of course what I say is a gross generalisation).[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrManGuy;2030064]50 euro is plenty. If they do not like 50 euro they can leave or get whatever normal job they can get which pays better. [/QUOTE]Spot on, I absolutely agree with the both of you!
Just see how many long hours someone has to work in any German unglamorous unskilled labour job like delivering pizzas, working in a warehouse or collecting garbage, to earn a lousy 1500 Euro netto per month, and then just look at your E1500 netto payslip and see what your gross salary is and how much has disappeared into that big black hole called taxes.
These girls are earning a very very nice virtually taxfree living, but the big problem is that many scamsters only want the icing on the cake, a. K. a. Das Gelbe vom Ei. They just want the money and do not want to uphold their end of the bargain, which is the fact that they're prostitutes and that they have to fuck, suck and kiss men for that money. Sorry honey, but that's the way it is. Don't like it? Fine, I can completely understand that some girls do not like this job, but then accept that and go work behind the cash register at your local supermarket for E1100/ month.
What's worse, [B]and this is the part where perhaps the management of FKK clubs should really pay attention,[/B] is that these prima donnas are IMHO slowly but steadily undermining the whole FKK concept. Instead of spending a nice afternoon with beautiful nice girls with good sex in a relaxing atmosphere, visiting an FKK club is also slowly but steadily starting to resemble a permanent and sometimes frustrating hunt for the few good service providers that are left in any given FKK club.
When sex becomes more and more mediocre and expensive at FKK clubs, and a law change + price increase get thrown into the mix, then a lot pf people might slowly start to wonder why they would spend E65 entrance for an FKK club when you can get the same experience in any random Laufhaus or brothel?
[QUOTE=Optimist;2029991]As I said in an earlier post, and as you say, workers deserve fair pay. My view is that workers generally should get a significantly larger share of the cake. [/QUOTE]The danger for girls is not prices staying as they are but the New Law (or some "new" implementation of existing law) making it harder for girls and clubs to dodge taxes. As it is, these girls pay 10% effective income tax instead of the 50% or more they would end up paying if they raked in the same cash in some normal job.
I'm too lazy to engross myself in the details of the New Law or in German specialist websites but I've heard rumours of authorities wanting to get serious with collecting taxes from girls and clubs. Up to now one can say they've turned a blind eye.
Crypto currency.
Discuss...
[QUOTE=XXL;2030355]The danger for girls is not prices staying as they are but the New Law (or some "new" implementation of existing law) making it harder for girls and clubs to dodge taxes. As it is, these girls pay 10% effective income tax instead of the 50% or more they would end up paying if they raked in the same cash in some normal job.
I'm too lazy to engross myself in the details of the New Law or in German specialist websites but I've heard rumours of authorities wanting to get serious with collecting taxes from girls and clubs. Up to now one can say they've turned a blind eye.[/QUOTE]It is obvious that 1 major reason of the new law is to get also better tax recovery, for example today a girl is paying 25 euros per day as income taxe but in reality if she earns in 1 day 1000 euros she is paying 2. 5% income tax that should change to become 35 or 45%. Yes a big move (negative) for the girls.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2030377]Crypto currency.
Discuss...[/QUOTE]Excellent point! Quite possibly the next nail in the coffin of the FKK industry. The only way I can see around it in order to provide some sort of anonymity is if FKK clubs sell vouchers to customers, which can then be used to spend on the girls.
I was at a big German department store a few days ago and they had a little sign at the cash register: "items purchased with cash are excluded from exchange or refunds. " In countries like Sweden, Belgium, France and the Netherlands, already the majority of transactions are done digitally, Germany is still living in the stone age with using PIN to pay for things, although it has slowly gotten a bit better during the last 5 years.
If you ask me, the noose is tightening around the neck of the Western economies, and despite all the Luegenpresse propaganda that we've been hearing for years that 'the crisis is over,' the fundamental problems (too much debt) have IMHO not been solved at all. The big companies and banks are preparing for a cashless society in which a fascist government can monitor every transaction, all in the name of "convenience" or "combating terrorism" or "combating money laundering. " The true reason IMHO for introducing a cashless society is when the world is cashless, you can no longer withdraw your savings like the Greeks and Cypriots did a few years ago when their banking system was crashing. When the world is cashless, the government can easily confiscate a large part of your savings as everything can be frozen in place during a systemic crash, and IMHO a systemic crash is coming sooner or later because that's always the outcome of a Ponzi/exponential system.
I'm buying some of gold and silver myself, because I strongly believe that when the whole house of cards collapses under a mountain of debt, countries like China and Russia could introduce a gold / oil / commodity backed (crypto) currency and become the masters of the universe, similar like the way the US has been master of the universe because of the status of the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency. Whatever the Russians and Chinese might come up with might still be digitally, but it will probably be a strong currency as it's backed by something, and the Dollar (and to a lesser extend the Yen and Euro) might no longer be King as it's just backed by mountains of debt.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2029991]JohnEllee. You went with 50 girls and they ALL complained about 30 minute sessions? How did this subject come up with 100% regularity.[/QUOTE]About 10 girls, I offered 1 hours session at our first-time room. Among other girls, half of them rejected 30 min session when repeated. For The rest half, I could tell their reluctance for 50-euro sessions.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2029991]Raising FKK prices will in no way, I believe, reduce the motivation for greedy workers to exploit whatever options they have to extract further extra money by limiting their service[/QUOTE]I don't believe changing minimum service time from 0. 5 hour to 1 hour is " Raising FKK price". The extension of every half hours is still 50 euros. Artemis pricing schema is 60 e for every half hour. I consider that case is the price rising.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2029991]I remember you saying that 3000 euros is nothing to you or most mongers. I wonder how many club regulars consider that to be nothing?[/QUOTE]Depending on scenarios. 3000 euros is nothing if I spent on right girls.
Yes I agree with you that it could be enormous money for someone if he only wants to spend 50 euro but still demand best looks and service.
No offense.
[QUOTE=Ggeorge6;2030129] (IE black and Hispanic honeys)[/QUOTE]You're not going to find black and hispanic at LR. LR is 97.23% Romanian (96.41 if you include Monica). If you want Hispanic and black you may want to head to Sky Saunaclub in Wuppertal, near Magnum.
[URL]http://www.sky-saunaclub.com/unsere-girls/unsere-girls.html[/URL]
Not my cup of tea so don't ask me how it is. Maybe ask Maxime.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2030456]You're not going to find black and hispanic at LR. LR is 97.23% Romanian (96.41 if you include Monica). If you want Hispanic and black you may want to head to Sky Saunaclub in Wuppertal, near Magnum.
[URL]http://www.sky-saunaclub.com/unsere-girls/unsere-girls.html[/URL]
[/QUOTE]Sky Sauna Club have only Latinas girls (or at least 90% are from South and Central America), but the quality is worse than a RTC.
Harry: I agree with most of what you are saying. The debt will take down the financial system once the debt bubble bursts (who wants to pay the loaner interest when you are the one giving him the money?). But that is inevitable. We are actually on overtime historically for when this should have happened. But that is due to the larger world with more countries where the inflated fiat US dollar inflation has been exported to. I would say it will crash in 7. 5 years due to the rate of decline on the international central bank interest rates. Now 90% of trade in crypto currencies happens in China, and basically the chinese wants to avoid that whole property bubble they've got going there, and are fleeing their fiat currency yuan at a high pace.
The new system will deffinately be a blockchain (crypto) currency based system. Perhaps backed by gold and silver. But not certainly. It will be a closed circuit system where they can possibly tax money itself. But this is in the future. In that same future, this currency can be used to completely eradicate trafficing / pimps also. And thus the arguments against prostitution is mute. Unless the irony occurs and feminists start working against such logarithms to be implemented. Basically upholding trafficking so that they still have an argument.
But untill then, we have a whole range of different crypto currencies. Some of which are almost completely untracable, like Monero. And a currency like this can be used for every shady trade there is.
However the entire banking sector, including the owners of the central banks should possibly be against the oncomming of aspects regarding crypto currencies, and so strong forces will probably be against it. (Every single finance job can be made redundant). And how will the new centralized currencies fare against the set of crypto currencies we already have? And who can stop them? Will it hide in an even darker web, and how will such coupons you mention fare then?
I also think China will take hold of the de facto most important world currency after this. And in such an environment, western philosophy regarding sex might loose some of its international hold. The question is just more if the new status quo will be communist driven, or based more on liberal old asian ideas regarding sex. I personallyy think it will be the latest. International liberal movements have gone too far for it to stop there...
Out of Rom, Bernds, Babylon, Heaven 7, Dietzenbach, and Finca, which clubs currently have the best pure optiks?
I have never been to Babylon, and leaving that club out. Finca for sure. Imagine Finca being more in the lines of World. The club is akin to a Hessen club. Similar vibe, but feels like going back in time. This is probably due to the club being isolated.
No upsells encountered. I've been offered services like BL outside the room(and no extra mentioned), and I didn't even ask. Taken girls to kino pre-zimmer as well.