Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Huacho;3056727]Try [URL]booking.com[/URL]. A lot less bullshit.[/QUOTE]I could tell you some wild stories about Colombia over the last seven or eight years, but I'll keep it short. I actually own a home here, so I don't need to rent Airbnbs. In the past, I only rented them to keep the people I do business with away from my private residence.

However, renting has become more of a hassle. Due to some past incidents involving my current girlfriend's family and friends, I've decided I will never rent rooms or residences to outsiders again. Even though my house is more than large enough to accommodate guests, I don't want anyone near me who doesn't belong there. Unless it's my immediate family or my girlfriend of five years, I keep my home off-limits. I've learned my lesson with 'friends' and acquaintances; I focus on my own business and keep outsiders in the dark. It's as simple as that.

Stay safe and keep your eyes open.

IIRC taxes on short term rentals and hotels is different for foreigners and locals, so AirBnB hosts need your passport so that you don't get charged taxes. That's another reason the hosts wants your passport.

[QUOTE=LatinFun;3056716]She's working in MDE. Excellent BJ, may think she's worth more than she is but negotiation works. Try it out if she's your type.[/QUOTE]Photo didn't attach.

This is for the newbies coming to Colombia: Two of the most vital lessons I've learned since traveling to Colombia are to protect your identity and guard your finances. I cannot stress these points enough: you must be extremely protective of your identification and ensure no one has access to your money under any circumstances. Being overly friendly or carefree with your finances is a mistake; Colombia is not the place for that.

I went through a grueling experience involving the eviction of family members from my home there. It required hiring attorneys and navigating a complex legal system because people tried at every turn to take what was rightfully mine. After significant time, legal fees, and an astronomical headache, I finally prevailed. My advice is simple: keep your documents and your money close. If someone doesn't need to know who you are, do not give them access to your life. Stay safe and Stay Alert.

Went to listen to some live music in El Centro yesterday. I decided to walk around a bit after the event. Made my way down to Botero Plaza. A good amount of chicas out and about for a Sunday. There was something for everyone.

[QUOTE=LatinFun;3056860]Photo didn't attach.[/QUOTE]There's lots of Melissa's in Medellin. She has some good attributes. Slim, no visible tattoes, breasts probably natural, beautiful hair. Some tips for finding her would be helpful.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3056895]There's lots of Melissa's in Medellin. She has some good attributes. Slim, no visible tattoes, breasts probably natural, beautiful hair. Some tips for finding her would be helpful.[/QUOTE]One tip would be it is probably Melisa since there are no double esses in Spanish.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3056882]Went to listen to some live music in El Centro yesterday. I decided to walk around a bit after the event. Made my way down to Botero Plaza. A good amount of chicas out and about for a Sunday. There was something for everyone.[/QUOTE]I love El Centro and go there regularly but a couple of weeks ago as myself, my wingman and his wife were getting in a taxi at the taxi lineup near Botero a dude bum rushed my friend and shoved him against the taxi and ripped his chain and pendant off of his neck and took off running, happened in the blink of an eye. The chain was tiny and not real gold but it had a pendant (also not real gold) given to him by his deceased father, he was pissed beyond words. Just be careful there even during the day and don't wear ANY jewelry. I wish I could see the look on that piece of shit ladron's face when he went to his fence and got the bad news.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3056863]This is for the newbies coming to Colombia: Two of the most vital lessons I've learned since traveling to Colombia are to protect your identity and guard your finances. I cannot stress these points enough: you must be extremely protective of your identification and ensure no one has access to your money under any circumstances. Being overly friendly or carefree with your finances is a mistake; Colombia is not the place for that.

I went through a grueling experience involving the eviction of family members from my home there. It required hiring attorneys and navigating a complex legal system because people tried at every turn to take what was rightfully mine. After significant time, legal fees, and an astronomical headache, I finally prevailed. My advice is simple: keep your documents and your money close. If someone doesn't need to know who you are, do not give them access to your life. Stay safe and Stay Alert.[/QUOTE]Good advise. I will add to that NEVER EVER have any banking apps, CC card apps or any shopping apps on the phone you take outside of your room / apt. I don't care if you have the latest iPhone with all the security that they claim to be impenetrable, it isn't. I now know two guys that had their phones stolen and within minutes their bank accounts hacked and money stolen. Many of the street thieves sell the phones to highly sophisticated gangs that can get into any phone and steal your shit before you can get somewhere to lock or block it.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3057004]I love El Centro and go there regularly but a couple of weeks ago as myself, my wingman and his wife were getting in a taxi at the taxi lineup near Botero a dude bum rushed my friend and shoved him against the taxi and ripped his chain and pendant off of his neck and took off running, happened in the blink of an eye. The chain was tiny and not real gold but it had a pendant (also not real gold) given to him by his deceased father, he was pissed beyond words. Just be careful there even during the day and don't wear ANY jewelry. I wish I could see the look on that piece of shit ladron's face when he went to his fence and got the bad news.[/QUOTE]I see gringos prancing around Lleras with chains dangling around their necks and fancy watches. It's not safe to walk around in the US with a Rolex watch. I don't own any jewelry anymore it's not worth it.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3057004]I love El Centro and go there regularly but a couple of weeks ago as myself, my wingman and his wife were getting in a taxi at the taxi lineup near Botero a dude bum rushed my friend and shoved him against the taxi and ripped his chain and pendant off of his neck and took off running, happened in the blink of an eye. The chain was tiny and not real gold but it had a pendant (also not real gold) given to him by his deceased father, he was pissed beyond words. Just be careful there even during the day and don't wear ANY jewelry. I wish I could see the look on that piece of shit ladron's face when he went to his fence and got the bad news.[/QUOTE]I rarely go around Botero. Long gone are the days when I used to watch live sex shows in the strip clubs and drink beers in the little bars behind the museum. I'm rarely in that area these days. When I'm down town, I'm usually more towards Buenos Aires. Sorry to hear about your friend.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3056904]One tip would be it is probably Melisa since there are no double esses in Spanish.[/QUOTE]A quick search of Facebook says otherwise. There are pages of Melissa's in Colombia.

Also, there's an edit function in this forum. You can write s's, not esses.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3057004]I love El Centro and go there regularly but a couple of weeks ago as myself, my wingman and his wife were getting in a taxi at the taxi lineup near Botero a dude bum rushed my friend and shoved him against the taxi and ripped his chain and pendant off of his neck and took off running, happened in the blink of an eye. The chain was tiny and not real gold but it had a pendant (also not real gold) given to him by his deceased father, he was pissed beyond words. Just be careful there even during the day and don't wear ANY jewelry. I wish I could see the look on that piece of shit ladron's face when he went to his fence and got the bad news.[/QUOTE]Anytime you're in Colombia, you have to stay aware of your surroundings. Your clothing, the materials, and even the way you walk or carry yourself make you stand out—especially compared to a local Paisa. When you're in Centro, you definitely need to pay attention: no jewelry, no expensive watches, and never pull your phone out. Don't make yourself a target. Keep your head on a swivel and stay alert. "

This guy thinks $50 for half an hour is good. I am seeking $50 for minimum a hour which to me is still not enough time for great sex. Guys that come from America, Europe bringing the same price to a country that pays minimum wage. When I am in Jamaica, I am getting overnight 4 nuts, CIM for KFC and taxi. Cmon man. Do the math. Keep the game reasonable. Not all Jamaican girls for clarity but still LOL.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3056595]200 k for 30 min bareback I have gotten a few times. Just get a bunch of # on whatsapp and ask. But like I said don't go for the girls that got plastic or are dressed up fancy. There's hundreds of girls every day you can get #s from everywhere in the city and lleras. Just try haha and I mean like 50 #s a day and you'll get several that will do 200 k bareback plus facebook girls will do it too and friends of their friends. Go read reports of others too if you don't believe me and don't be fat and ugly it helps.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3057017]A quick search of Facebook says otherwise. There are pages of Melissa's in Colombia.

Also, there's an edit function in this forum. You can write s's, not esses.[/QUOTE]But I know the difference between a plural and a possessive.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3056904]One tip would be it is probably Melisa since there are no double esses in Spanish.[/QUOTE]Pretty irrelevant as they borrow non-Spanish names all the time.

People have talked about how Colombia is heaven on earth and honestly even that's understated.

Day 1 - checked into Airbnb in Laureles right off Jardin street. Wash up and head straight to Angeles. I asked for a presentation and the first girl that came out was Sammy. Tall, long black hair, the largest hip to waste ratio I've ever seen in my life. Told the mamasan that's all I needed to see. Pay for an hour, blast off in 10 minutes. 170 plus 80 for BBBJ which was literally like 15 seconds.

Go back home and got some food, Jardin was pretty quite the 2 days I was there.

Day 2 - wake up around noon and for some Crepes and Waffles. Mexican pork crepe, caramel waffle, 2 smoothies, ice coffee for like 80 pesos. Walk around the neighborhood, then head to Bella la Nubia. Only 3 below average older women and 1 young cute girl. Pick the host who was acceptable and tried to get the young girl but said the wrong name and it was an old mid woman but I went with it. Had both of them sucking me and bust in one of their mouths. Then told the acceptable one to stay and ordered the young girl in and had them do it all over again. The young girl was quite talented with her mouth, came in it then called the Uber. About 200 per session. Went to check into new Airbnb near Lleras, saw a few girls but it was early so I didn't get a feel for the whole vibe of the park at night.

Later that night while at a bar on Jardin the host called and said the building was shut down due to a gringo being in another unit with an underaged girl, literally spent the next 4 hours trying to get a new Airbnb.

Day 3 - went to see a girl at an apartment and was one of the best experiences I ever had anywhere. Beautiful with braces, curly hair, tiny waist and wide hips with a little booty. My standard apparently. Started making out with me like I was her high school boyfriend, BBBJ was mediocre but she kept going endlessly until I told her to stop. Then blew in the bag during mish. Didn't get to bend her over so I told her I was coming back. Ended up seeing her every day, let's call her see. 120 for hour +50 for CIM / F.

Checked into new Airbnb with colleague, ate at fixion and got to witness the spectacle of lleras Park for the first time. Brought home two negras and fucked them both in each room.

Day 4 - took colleague to the casa with see. He got a cute small girl with fat ass and I took see again. Same thing, spent 2 hours making out like teens and bent her over. Then we went to the 70 in Laureles, got some of those patatas covered in BBQ and sausage, a few drinks and got some Colombian soup and fried rice. The meat here is so much more tender than anything I've ever had in the US. Went to Lleras, got the number of a woman who was one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen (again). Light skin, braces, curly hair, tiny waste, huge hips, little booty. Didn't grab anyone from the park as I didn't want to turn our monitored Airbnb into a working girl house.

Day 5 - went back to see see. This time did 3 hours (I know). Later that night hit up the girl I met in lleras the night before. Let's call her C2. Rented out an Airbnb just for the night. She played some Rihanna and did a little lap dance, then got to business. 400 k. Went out to a bar and came to find out it was both out our birthday's the day before! We had a LOT in common it was weird. I got her hookah, bought some bottles and she literally spend the next 5 hours grinding and twerking on me despite looking so coy and shy. She literally wouldn't allow me to do anything with my hands other than rub her ass or grab her waist. If she wasn't grinding on me, she was rubbing my dick.

Bought two bottles and hookah and club tried to fuck me over numerous times. The girl was sloppy drunk and I was trying to get her home but she dragged me into another club and tried to get me to buy a bottle. After she brought over another girl I got uncomfortable and left.

Day 6 - Hit up El centro. Place was crowded as hell and intimidating. Saw a number of really below average women that seemed to be on display, but not much more. Didn't walk around a lot. Hit up conejitas Grill and it was a weird vibe. There were a couple women standing around doing absolutely nothing, the stage was empty for the most part and one girl got up there and did the most awkward dance I've ever seen.

Called an Uber to go to new life. The driver drove through those rough streets north of Botero. Jesus man, addicts everywhere and there was a garbage truck that dumped off its bags and half a block of garbage was being rummage through. Depressing. Girl from last night said she was robbed. Ignored her for most of the day anyway.

Ended up at new life, went through the gates and when I get there, it's like 8 guys standing around. It felt weird so we left. I went to hit up numerous mileroticos contacts but was getting no luck, went back to see but she couldn't see me for hours. Found one girl but get to the hotel and needed a physical ID to get in so that was no luck. Just went to the 70 and waited for see since I was already in Laureles. Banged until she went home and told her to hit me up the next day.

Hit up the park, saw girl from last night but wasn't interested. The quality wasn't as great as the previous nights but there was still some talent. Saw a cute small girl with braces that said she was Venezuelan. Tried to hook up but she kept flaking. Just hit up C2 for the night.

Day 7 - woke up late and tried to hit up a slim tattooed girl on Mile who's communication was trash. She told me she was available and directed me to a house in the middle of a middle class neighborhood with some suspect face tattooed guy around the corner but she didn't respond. I then went to Golden house and they only had two available. Went with a skinny girl and had a good nut. 180 k.

Soent the rest of the day just trying restaurants we didn't get a chance. C2 was hitting me up all day, wanted a new girl but she was persistent so I ended the day off with her. Was hoping to get a little more out of her but it was business as usual.

Day of leave. See randomly hit me up and said she was sick which is why she didn't reach out. Invited me over before her shift, got some raw action right before flight. She told me her birthday was in May and wants me to come visit.

Overall got some good action but not the variety I expected. Next trip I'm spending half the time in Laureles hitting up casa and the other half in a no security Airbnb near Lleras.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3057011]I see gringos prancing around Lleras with chains dangling around their necks and fancy watches. It's not safe to walk around in the US with a Rolex watch. I don't own any jewelry anymore it's not worth it.[/QUOTE]There are tons of places in the United States where you can walk around with a Rolex on your wrist and a gold chain around your neck. Stating that an entire country is unsafe to do so is ridiculous especially when referring to the United States.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3057065]People have talked about how Colombia is heaven on earth and honestly even that's understated.

[/QUOTE]What exactly are you referring to? Who are these people?

Good morning guys, my last day in Medellin. What happened was that somehow I caught feelings for a 10/10 Tinder girl. We met twice (300 k + uber, one shot), all good, but then suddenly since Sunday she wasn't online and reachable anymore, which cut my plans of seeing her again. Could be that she needed to protect her side hustle from her family, which is not always easy as she told me. Or she just earned enough for a while and didn't enjoyed as much as I did. I don't know. You had that situation?

Anyways I'm going to see my 2nd favorite girl in a casa now and going to get her private number for my next stay.

Last thing: Tinder girl was a flaquita morenita, 19 years, newbie, insane beautiful face. What city or even country would you recommend for that kind of woman? Need to get over it and make plans for the future.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3057025]This guy thinks $50 for half an hour is good. I am seeking $50 for minimum a hour which to me is still not enough time for great sex. Guys that come from America, Europe bringing the same price to a country that pays minimum wage. When I am in Jamaica, I am getting overnight 4 nuts, CIM for KFC and taxi. Cmon man. Do the math. Keep the game reasonable. Not all Jamaican girls for clarity but still LOL..[/QUOTE]Jamaica is full of beautiful women—and I mean beautiful women. If you can be with a different woman every night for the price of a box of KFC, why would you even consider leaving the island for a place like Colombia? Just my thoughts. Enquiring minds want to know!

[QUOTE=Blakman;3057025]This guy thinks $50 for half an hour is good. I am seeking $50 for minimum a hour which to me is still not enough time for great sex. Guys that come from America, Europe bringing the same price to a country that pays minimum wage. When I am in Jamaica, I am getting overnight 4 nuts, CIM for KFC and taxi. Cmon man. Do the math. Keep the game reasonable. Not all Jamaican girls for clarity but still LOL..[/QUOTE]The problem is I can't last longer than 20 minutes. 30 max and tbh I get bored after 20 minutes anyways.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3057116]There are tons of places in the United States where you can walk around with a Rolex on your wrist and a gold chain around your neck. Stating that an entire country is unsafe to do so is ridiculous especially when referring to the United States.[/QUOTE]Oh really where would that be? It's beyond stupid to walk around with a 20 k watch on. It isn't like it was 30 years ago when most people did not know what a Rolex was. I have seen local news of people being robbed. A flashy car I can understand but walk around with expensive pieces is asking for trouble. Not worth it!

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3057131]Good morning guys, my last day in Medellin. What happened was that somehow I caught feelings for a 10/10 Tinder girl. We met twice (300 k + uber, one shot), all good, but then suddenly since Sunday she wasn't online and reachable anymore, which cut my plans of seeing her again. Could be that she needed to protect her side hustle from her family, which is not always easy as she told me. Or she just earned enough for a while and didn't enjoyed as much as I did. I don't know. You had that situation?

Anyways I'm going to see my 2nd favorite girl in a casa now and going to get her private number for my next stay.

Last thing: Tinder girl was a flaquita morenita, 19 years, newbie, insane beautiful face. What city or even country would you recommend for that kind of woman? Need to get over it and make plans for the future.[/QUOTE]This is why I don't repeat with any specific chica more than once or twice. As much as I think I'm immune to it, it's possible to develop feelings with someone if you have chemistry and repeat too much.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3057131]Good morning guys, my last day in Medellin. What happened was that somehow I caught feelings for a 10/10 Tinder girl. We met twice (300 k + uber, one shot), all good, but then suddenly since Sunday she wasn't online and reachable anymore, which cut my plans of seeing her again. Could be that she needed to protect her side hustle from her family, which is not always easy as she told me. Or she just earned enough for a while and didn't enjoyed as much as I did. I don't know. You had that situation?

Anyways I'm going to see my 2nd favorite girl in a casa now and going to get her private number for my next stay.

Last thing: Tinder girl was a flaquita morenita, 19 years, newbie, insane beautiful face. What city or even country would you recommend for that kind of woman? Need to get over it and make plans for the future.[/QUOTE]I feel you. I've been talking daily to the girl in my story. Wouldn't have even entertained a thot from America a week ago, let alone a working girl from Colombia. But she's so my type and sweet so it's challenging.

Where do you find the Facebook girls?

Are you just looking for random girls or are there any tricks or groups?

If anyone is ready for a cold beer the first week of April, feel free to send me a PM.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3057025]This guy thinks $50 for half an hour is good. I am seeking $50 for minimum a hour which to me is still not enough time for great sex. Guys that come from America, Europe bringing the same price to a country that pays minimum wage. When I am in Jamaica, I am getting overnight 4 nuts, CIM for KFC and taxi. Cmon man. Do the math. Keep the game reasonable. Not all Jamaican girls for clarity but still LOL.

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[QUOTE=Combo;3057178]This is why I don't repeat with any specific chica more than once or twice. As much as I think I'm immune to it, it's possible to develop feelings with someone if you have chemistry and repeat too much.[/QUOTE]I'm the opposite actually. I love falling in love, repeating, having better and better sessions. I just keep my wits about me.

Lots of experience, since I'm now an older dude. So I can think with the big brain.

I'm never and never have been exclusive with any girl, I doubt I'll start now, LOL 😅.

Just fell in love with a beautiful moreninha that I met and seasoned with today.

Exchanged numbers of course, however, I'm off to VM to meet up with a sexy branquinha that I met yesterday.

I fall in love, but not dumb love, just a great energy and vibe love.

I do understand the dangers. We've all seen guys go over the top.

And I'm sure I have as well in my distant past.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3057131]Good morning guys, my last day in Medellin. What happened was that somehow I caught feelings for a 10/10 Tinder girl. We met twice (300 k + uber, one shot), all good, but then suddenly since Sunday she wasn't online and reachable anymore, which cut my plans of seeing her again. Could be that she needed to protect her side hustle from her family, which is not always easy as she told me. Or she just earned enough for a while and didn't enjoyed as much as I did. I don't know. You had that situation?

Anyways I'm going to see my 2nd favorite girl in a casa now and going to get her private number for my next stay.

Last thing: Tinder girl was a flaquita morenita, 19 years, newbie, insane beautiful face. What city or even country would you recommend for that kind of woman? Need to get over it and make plans for the future.[/QUOTE]Medellin, of course, you already know.

Rio and São Paulo as well.

I'm a fan of the morenas too.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Combo;3057178]This is why I don't repeat with any specific chica more than once or twice. As much as I think I'm immune to it, it's possible to develop feelings with someone if you have chemistry and repeat too much.[/QUOTE]That is really good advice.

Side story: That once happened to me in Nicaragua before, which made me quit my job and spent over a year there. Was a good time though, had also friends there and it was great living and party there, besides being with her. Should have learned from it that it's leading nowhere.

So maybe it was good that I couldn't meet her again to not falling deeper into this.

[QUOTE=Balboa;3057185]I'm the opposite actually. I love falling in love, repeating, having better and better sessions. I just keep my wits about me.

Lots of experience, since I'm now an older dude. So I can think with the big brain.

I'm never and never have been exclusive with any girl, I doubt I'll start now, LOL 😅.

Just fell in love with a beautiful moreninha that I met and seasoned with today.

Exchanged numbers of course, however, I'm off to VM to meet up with a sexy branquinha that I met yesterday.

I fall in love, but not dumb love, just a great energy and vibe love.[/QUOTE]That's lust, not love.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3057168]Oh really where would that be? It's beyond stupid to walk around with a 20 k watch on. It isn't like it was 30 years ago when most people did not know what a Rolex was. I have seen local news of people being robbed. A flashy car I can understand but walk around with expensive pieces is asking for trouble. Not worth it![/QUOTE]That is the whole point of buying an expensive watch. To wear it in public. What are you supposed to do with an expensive watch? Just keep it in your drawer? You buy such a watch because you like how it looks and you want to wear it out in public. There are plenty of place in America where you can wear expensive watches and not have a problem. People do it all the time.

A very nostalgic report. Reminded me of my casa and club days. Looks like you played it cool and handled minor issues without sweating too much and had fun. Good job.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3057065]People have talked about how Colombia is heaven on earth and honestly even that's understated.

Day 1 - checked into Airbnb in Laureles right off Jardin street. Wash up and head straight to Angeles. I asked for a presentation and the first girl that came out was Sammy. Tall, long black hair, the largest hip to waste ratio I've ever seen in my life. Told the mamasan that's all I needed to see. Pay for an hour, blast off in 10 minutes. 170 plus 80 for BBBJ which was literally like 15 seconds.

Go back home and got some food, Jardin was pretty quite the 2 days I was there.

Day 2 - wake up around noon and for some Crepes and Waffles. Mexican pork crepe, caramel waffle, 2 smoothies, ice coffee for like 80 pesos. Walk around the neighborhood, then head to Bella la Nubia. Only 3 below average older women and 1 young cute girl. Pick the host who was acceptable and tried to get the young girl but said the wrong name and it was an old mid woman but I went with it. Had both of them sucking me and bust in one of their mouths. Then told the acceptable one to stay and ordered the young girl in and had them do it all over again. The young girl was quite talented with her mouth, came in it then called the Uber. About 200 per session. Went to check into new Airbnb near Lleras, saw a few girls but it was early so I didn't get a feel for the whole vibe of the park at night.

Later that night while at a bar on Jardin the host called and said the building was shut down due to a gringo being in another unit with an underaged girl, literally spent the next 4 hours trying to get a new Airbnb.

Day 3 - went to see a girl at an apartment and was one of the best experiences I ever had anywhere. Beautiful with braces, curly hair, tiny waist and wide hips with a little booty. My standard apparently. Started making out with me like I was her high school boyfriend, BBBJ was mediocre but she kept going endlessly until I told her to stop. Then blew in the bag during mish. Didn't get to bend her over so I told her I was coming back. Ended up seeing her every day, let's call her see. 120 for hour +50 for CIM / F.

Checked into new Airbnb with colleague, ate at fixion and got to witness the spectacle of lleras Park for the first time. Brought home two negras and fucked them both in each room.

Day 4 - took colleague to the casa with see. He got a cute small girl with fat ass and I took see again. Same thing, spent 2 hours making out like teens and bent her over. Then we went to the 70 in Laureles, got some of those patatas covered in BBQ and sausage, a few drinks and got some Colombian soup and fried rice. The meat here is so much more tender than anything I've ever had in the US. Went to Lleras, got the number of a woman who was one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen (again). Light skin, braces, curly hair, tiny waste, huge hips, little booty. Didn't grab anyone from the park as I didn't want to turn our monitored Airbnb into a working girl house.

Day 5 - went back to see see. This time did 3 hours (I know). Later that night hit up the girl I met in lleras the night before. Let's call her C2. Rented out an Airbnb just for the night. She played some Rihanna and did a little lap dance, then got to business. 400 k. Went out to a bar and came to find out it was both out our birthday's the day before! We had a LOT in common it was weird. I got her hookah, bought some bottles and she literally spend the next 5 hours grinding and twerking on me despite looking so coy and shy. She literally wouldn't allow me to do anything with my hands other than rub her ass or grab her waist. If she wasn't grinding on me, she was rubbing my dick.

Bought two bottles and hookah and club tried to fuck me over numerous times. The girl was sloppy drunk and I was trying to get her home but she dragged me into another club and tried to get me to buy a bottle. After she brought over another girl I got uncomfortable and left.

Day 6 - Hit up El centro. Place was crowded as hell and intimidating. Saw a number of really below average women that seemed to be on display, but not much more. Didn't walk around a lot. Hit up conejitas Grill and it was a weird vibe. There were a couple women standing around doing absolutely nothing, the stage was empty for the most part and one girl got up there and did the most awkward dance I've ever seen.

Called an Uber to go to new life. The driver drove through those rough streets north of Botero. Jesus man, addicts everywhere and there was a garbage truck that dumped off its bags and half a block of garbage was being rummage through. Depressing. Girl from last night said she was robbed. Ignored her for most of the day anyway.

Ended up at new life, went through the gates and when I get there, it's like 8 guys standing around. It felt weird so we left. I went to hit up numerous mileroticos contacts but was getting no luck, went back to see but she couldn't see me for hours. Found one girl but get to the hotel and needed a physical ID to get in so that was no luck. Just went to the 70 and waited for see since I was already in Laureles. Banged until she went home and told her to hit me up the next day.

Hit up the park, saw girl from last night but wasn't interested. The quality wasn't as great as the previous nights but there was still some talent. Saw a cute small girl with braces that said she was Venezuelan. Tried to hook up but she kept flaking. Just hit up C2 for the night.

Day 7 - woke up late and tried to hit up a slim tattooed girl on Mile who's communication was trash. She told me she was available and directed me to a house in the middle of a middle class neighborhood with some suspect face tattooed guy around the corner but she didn't respond. I then went to Golden house and they only had two available. Went with a skinny girl and had a good nut. 180 k.

Soent the rest of the day just trying restaurants we didn't get a chance. C2 was hitting me up all day, wanted a new girl but she was persistent so I ended the day off with her. Was hoping to get a little more out of her but it was business as usual.

Day of leave. See randomly hit me up and said she was sick which is why she didn't reach out. Invited me over before her shift, got some raw action right before flight. She told me her birthday was in May and wants me to come visit.

Overall got some good action but not the variety I expected. Next trip I'm spending half the time in Laureles hitting up casa and the other half in a no security Airbnb near Lleras.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3057129]What exactly are you referring to? Who are these people?[/QUOTE]Is it not implied? They are Americans like me from the sex prison of the USA, and heaven because where else outside of Brazil / Mexico in the western hemisphere can you go up to a cute 20 year old and she'll suck your dick for $20? That's for a centro girl. Waitresses and kiosk girls I've gotten numbers and given $200 k for sex right away. Can you even imagine asking a girl that works at lulu lemon in the states if she wants to fuck for $60 lmao? Cmon now.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3057168]Oh really where would that be? It's beyond stupid to walk around with a 20 k watch on. It isn't like it was 30 years ago when most people did not know what a Rolex was. I have seen local news of people being robbed. A flashy car I can understand but walk around with expensive pieces is asking for trouble. Not worth it![/QUOTE]You don't know what you are talking about. There are literally THOUSANDS of people all over the USA That wear Rolexes in public without getting robbed, thousands. I am basing my statement on facts. I lived in several states in the northeast and wore a Rolex daily for twenty years. CT, MA,RI. I sold my Rolex prior to moving to Colombia of course. By the way, a 20 k Rolex is a poor man's Rolex.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3057131]Good morning guys, my last day in Medellin. What happened was that somehow I caught feelings for a 10/10 Tinder girl. We met twice (300 k + uber, one shot), all good, but then suddenly since Sunday she wasn't online and reachable anymore, which cut my plans of seeing her again. Could be that she needed to protect her side hustle from her family, which is not always easy as she told me. Or she just earned enough for a while and didn't enjoyed as much as I did. I don't know. You had that situation?

Anyways I'm going to see my 2nd favorite girl in a casa now and going to get her private number for my next stay.

Last thing: Tinder girl was a flaquita morenita, 19 years, newbie, insane beautiful face. What city or even country would you recommend for that kind of woman? Need to get over it and make plans for the future.[/QUOTE]She's not your girl it's just your turn. She's a prostitute dude.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;3057241]Is it not implied? They are Americans like me from the sex prison of the USA, and heaven because where else outside of Brazil / Mexico in the western hemisphere can you go up to a cute 20 year old and she'll suck your dick for $20? That's for a centro girl. Waitresses and kiosk girls I've gotten numbers and given $200 k for sex right away. Can you even imagine asking a girl that works at lulu lemon in the states if she wants to fuck for $60 lmao? Cmon now.[/QUOTE]"where else outside of Brazil / Mexico in the western hemisphere can you go up to a cute 20 year old and she'll suck your dick for $20?

There are plenty of countries in Southeast Asia where you can get the same thing. Not saying that Colombia isn't great but saying that it is not so unique.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3057285]You don't know what you are talking about. There are literally THOUSANDS of people all over the USA That wear Rolexes in public without getting robbed, thousands. I am basing my statement on facts. I lived in several states in the northeast and wore a Rolex daily for twenty years. CT, MA,RI. I sold my Rolex prior to moving to Colombia of course. By the way, a 20 k Rolex is a poor man's Rolex.[/QUOTE]That is beside the point. There are thousands of people mugged each day for the change in their pocket. I am not talking about places like CT, MA and RI. Not many people live there. I bought my first Rolex for 1 k 40 years ago. You think 20 k is nothing. There are people who bust your candy filled cabeza for a cell phone that would be inoperable.

Great post on Laureles and my stomping grounds for now. You are in the sweet spot between the two parque's and Transversal 39 D. Have always found plenty of action with "locals" there.

Where is Angeles?

And you are right next to Rituales and Santa Lena, two good spots for mornings. And the Starbucks seems to attract the crowd wanting to meet gringo's.

Great review!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3057194]That's lust, not love.[/QUOTE]Duhhh genius, smh.

Why a guy needs to respond with such an obvious statement baffles me.

Thanks for clueing me in tho. I actually thought it was true love.

[QUOTE=Balboa;3057350]Duhhh genius, smh.

Why a guy needs to respond with such an obvious statement baffles me.

Thanks for clueing me in tho. I actually thought it was true love.[/QUOTE]Chill out kids they're all working girls.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3057287]She's not your girl it's just your turn. She's a prostitute dude.[/QUOTE]That hurts. Why you have to destroy my illusion that she only meets few good looking guys like me and fell in love as well, haha.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3057131]......Last thing: Tinder girl was a flaquita morenita, 19 years, newbie, insane beautiful face......[/QUOTE]Up to around 12 years ago I used to meet girls like that at New Life, oh well.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3057423]That hurts. Why you have to destroy my illusion that she only meets few good looking guys like me and fell in love as well, haha.[/QUOTE]Keep travelling enough and you'll get used to it buddy.

Hello community,

I just spent a few months in Medellin, and I will leave in about 2 weeks. Since I speak Spanish and since I was very successful on my last times here with 'normal' girls (2016/2017 both years for a few months), I thought I was going to easily meet someone, which I definitely need in my life after 2 years of being 100 % single following a 4 years very toxic relation. But probably because I am not going out a lot anymore, because I trust myself much less than before and because I am way too difficult (my ex was a pure top model and I struggle with aiming at 'normal' women) and because there are way too many foreigners here now (the local chicas don't give a f* about us and think we are all sex-tourists IMHO), absolutely nothing happened in these 5 months. Zero, nada. I had some opportunities but just not attracted. I love Medellin for many reasons but how boy, did I struggle with meeting women.

So yeah, before I go, I would like to 'pay for fun' for the first time in like 10 years, I am normally against the idea but fu* 2 years without sex is fuc* up. Why do I need help here: the few times I have been with putas in my life, it's been absolutely terrible, no matter how hot the women was. I just can't get hard / cum at all if things are not natural, etc.

So my question is: what is my best bet to have a 'girlfriend experience', where I first go to the restaurant, have a few drinks, make a good connection with the chica. Then we go back to my place and do our business, in the most natural way, with fun connection. All I need is a 'flaquita' though (skinny), natural, with good positive energy. What would be the website to look in for that, would a lot of chicas be fine with this kind of plan / understand what I am looking for, and how much should I expect to pay?

Advices will be appreciated. Cheers.

[QUOTE=TerminateHer22;3057342]Great post on Laureles and my stomping grounds for now. You are in the sweet spot between the two parque's and Transversal 39 D. Have always found plenty of action with "locals" there.

Where is Angeles?

And you are right next to Rituales and Santa Lena, two good spots for mornings. And the Starbucks seems to attract the crowd wanting to meet gringo's.

Great review![/QUOTE]Angeles is on Cra 81 #42-60. It's telegram / WhatsApp can be found on Mileroticos.

I regret I didn't go back because it seemed like they have the best collection of affordable women in Medellin.

Laureles absolutely seems like the best place for a long term stay. Easy access to Bello and Poblado or any other neighborhood around the city.

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Hello Gents,

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if the want to be cops or guys in yellow jackets and police that come up to you and the girls and harrass you?

I was there in December, and could not enjoy my time at the Park at night without being pestered by one of the hundreds of those security govt.

People in yellow jackets telling us or the girls to move and we could not stand and talk to them. I was hoping this got better.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=KillArmy;3057494]Hello community,..........So my question is: what is my best bet to have a 'girlfriend experience', where I first go to the restaurant, have a few drinks, make a good connection with the chica. Then we go back to my place and do our business, in the most natural way, with fun connection. What would be the website to look in for that, would a lot of chicas be fine with this kind of plan / understand what I am looking for, and how much should I expect to pay?.........[/QUOTE]

You have a very particular need: a puta working girl who will convincingly treat you like her novia for an evening of eats / drinks and sex. Rather than looking online, I think your best bet would be to go to a strip club, where you could find a chica who turns you on physically and has an engaging / outgoing vibe. Then buy her a drink or two, and have a leisurely conversation: both to be sure, in advance, that she really understands what you are looking for in terms of a "Trato de Novia" (girl friend experience) and for you to get a face-to-face feel that she has the kind of simpatico personality and potential sexual chemistry that you are looking for.

Many of the girls in the club will discretely exchange WhatsApp to meet outside the club, especially if for a date during the day or early evening. Or you can arrange a take out fee with the club but that would prove to be more expensive.

In terms of clubs, Fase II might be the best bet to try first, but it wouldn't come cheap. I think I've read that the girls are now asking 500 mil for a session in the club. If you are by yourself, best to take the chica to the far end of the bar for a private chat. If you are by yourself, sitting at the tables requires a minimum hard liquor bottle purchase. Luna Lunera might be another club to try. Fewer girls, and pricier minimum drink, but chicas tend to be "flaquitas" as you prefer.

You could also go to a casa (e. G. Zandalay in El Centro; Energia or Angeles in Laureles), explain to the mamasan what you are after, tell her that you want a presentation of the chicas and then a chance to privately interview the lady of your choice to see if you want to schedule a date outside the casa with her later in the day or next. I've always had no problem asking for interviews with chicas before taking them to a room. Domicilio service probably in the 300 to 400 mil COP range. Hard to say for a more open ended dinner+sex date.

Looking on-line would no doubt prove be cheaper. But given your particular needs / expectations, then, at least, you should probably try to schedule a video call before making a firm date.

Had a great time in Provenza last night. I'm not a big fan of El Poblado and only go here because the girl I've been chilling with of late lives in Sabaneta and likes some of the clubs in the area that have live music. We went to La House and danced a lot to 2 bands. I also danced with some of her friends that showed up as well. There were also plenty of single women there locals and foreigners looking to dance. I realized I also knew the organizer of the event from a couple of years ago when I hung out with a group of people around Estadio.

After the party, a group of us wanted to hit another spot in Laureles but it was closed, it was about 2 am. So she and I decided to walk around Provenza and have a drink. We walked the strip and there were still a lot of people out hitting the clubs. We decided on a chill spot to just drink and people watch and vibe. The spot was right across from a theater. Anyway, there was mad talent walking around. Big booties and mad silicon boobs everywhere. I can definitely see why so many dudes from all over the world are flocking to El Poblado.

I was in Medellin in February and I got Facebook and WhatsApp from some of the chicas I met. After leaving the country, I got more invites based on friends or friend of friends, etc. Quite a few are from Bello. Some of them look hot based on pictures and videos, a few may be trannies, hard to tell. What is your experience with FB? Are they mainly working girls or are some of these scammers? When I return was wondering if it is worth reaching out to these women to meet in a secure location. I am headed to Bogota next month and a couple are based in that city.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3057610]You have a very particular need: a puta working girl who will convincingly treat you like her novia for an evening of eats / drinks and sex. Rather than looking online, I think your best bet would be to go to a strip club, where you could find a chica who turns you on physically and has an engaging / outgoing vibe. Then buy her a drink or two, and have a leisurely conversation: both to be sure, in advance, that she really understands what you are looking for in terms of a "Trato de Novia" (girl friend experience) and for you to get a face-to-face feel that she has the kind of simpatico personality and potential sexual chemistry that you are looking for.

Many of the girls in the club will discretely exchange WhatsApp to meet outside the club.[/QUOTE]Exchange whatsapps for what? If he is in the strip club buying drinks and talking and fucking, then he has already crossed off most of the list. If he brings aa Subway sandwich to the club and sits it in front of her then the list is complete.

[QUOTE=KillArmy;3057494]So my question is: what is my best bet to have a 'girlfriend experience', where I first go to the restaurant, have a few drinks, make a good connection with the chica. Then we go back to my place and do our business, in the most natural way, with fun connection. All I need is a 'flaquita' though (skinny), natural, with good positive energy. What would be the website to look in for that, would a lot of chicas be fine with this kind of plan / understand what I am looking for, and how much should I expect to pay?
[/QUOTE]I'm surprised this hasn't come naturally for you. All of my experiences were like this if I chose them to be. The girls in Lleras seemed to all have been eager to play the GFE game of holding hands and being close while walking through the park and spending time together. Especially now since there was like a 5/1 ratio of women to men at the park recently.

The best way to ensure the women are more affectionate is to be a repeat customer. My tactic my entire trip was to spend the day visiting casas for variety and spend the night repeating with the most beautiful Lleras freelancers. A lot of these girls have almost no consistency in their lives with men even the beautiful ones. Being a familiar face that becomes trustworthy over time will get you whatever you want after a while. I had a girl putting on special dresses for me.

The best bet would simply be to get the WhatsApp of a girl at Lleras early in the afternoon and tell her to meet you at a restaurant then take it from there. Most of these women can't afford to eat in Poblado so they'll be more than content to be treated for the night to food and drinks. I wouldn't do this after haggling because if you pay her too little, she may want to try to pick up another date before the night is out to make more money.

Or have your fun with the girl as the "ice breaker" then walk with her back to Lleras and ask her if she wants food and drink. That what happened with my second GFE girl who was a video model.

Lastly if you go to a casa, ask the girl in confidence for her personal contact so you can meet up with her after hours where you can pay her directly.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;3057599]Hello Gents,

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if the want to be cops or guys in yellow jackets and police that come up to you and the girls and harrass you?

I was there in December, and could not enjoy my time at the Park at night without being pestered by one of the hundreds of those security govt.

People in yellow jackets telling us or the girls to move and we could not stand and talk to them. I was hoping this got better..[/QUOTE]Still the same. Some nights were worse than others, the strategy is simply to either walk with the girl you want to get with or have your WhatsApp ready to exchange contact info. Or simply don't talk to a girl right in front of security.

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[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3057655]Still the same. Some nights were worse than others, the strategy is simply to either walk with the girl you want to get with or have your WhatsApp ready to exchange contact info. Or simply don't talk to a girl right in front of security.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. One more question, do they still allow the girls in the park, or only some of them? Last time my friend was there in late December, they were closing off the areas into the Park and not allowing some girls to come in. What a shame.

[QUOTE=TigerMuskie;3057647]I was in Medellin in February and I got Facebook and WhatsApp from some of the chicas I met. After leaving the country, I got more invites based on friends or friend of friends, etc. Quite a few are from Bello. Some of them look hot based on pictures and videos, a few may be trannies, hard to tell. What is your experience with FB? Are they mainly working girls or are some of these scammers? When I return was wondering if it is worth reaching out to these women to meet in a secure location. I am headed to Bogota next month and a couple are based in that city.[/QUOTE]I have over 300 Facebook female friends in Medellin. I have only met with maybe less than 10 percent though, if that, as I am picky. But I recommend building a pipeline of attractive girls on your profile.

There are very few trannies that I come across, but you just have to go with your senses. Most are female, but many are bisexual and you can tell by the way they dress or they just are too close to ther girls on their profile. As far as scammers, there are some catfishes, fake profiles, etc. Type of stuff you come across any dating app or SM app. To prevent this, ask for their Whats App number and hit them up on Messenger or Whats App asking them for a quick video call. If they hesitate, its fake. Also, fake profiles will have very few photos of the girl, maybe 1 or 2, few friends, or mainly be ads. Stay away from these type of profiles. There are many gems to be found on FB and many members on this board only do FB while in Medellin as they have so many friends. Most in Bello are working girls by the way. Good luck.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;3057696]I have over 300 Facebook female friends in Medellin. I have only met with maybe less than 10 percent though, if that, as I am picky. But I recommend building a pipeline of attractive girls on your profile.

There are very few trannies that I come across, but you just have to go with your senses. Most are female, but many are bisexual and you can tell by the way they dress or they just are too close to ther girls on their profile. As far as scammers, there are some catfishes, fake profiles, etc. Type of stuff you come across any dating app or SM app. To prevent this, ask for their Whats App number and hit them up on Messenger or Whats App asking them for a quick video call. If they hesitate, its fake. Also, fake profiles will have very few photos of the girl, maybe 1 or 2, few friends, or mainly be ads. Stay away from these type of profiles. There are many gems to be found on FB and many members on this board only do FB while in Medellin as they have so many friends. Most in Bello are working girls by the way. Good luck.[/QUOTE]I don't know any guy who doesn't think that they are picky. Ja ja ja. I agree that very few are trannies but when in doubt, ask more questions or request more pictures or a video call. I would disagree that many are bisexual. That has not been my experience. You can't tell by the way they dress and girls are just more comfortable being close to their girlfriends. Very few photos doesn't necessarily mean it is a fake profile but it is a factor. Sometimes they just don't put much effort into their FB profile. I just met a girl who only has her profile picture and no other pictures and very few posts and she turned out to be great. Most of the girls you meet on FB are semi-pros and just meet clients from time to time and do not do it fulltime. Well, at least that has been my experience.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;3057696]
There are very few trannies that I come across, but you just have to go with your senses. Most are female, but many are bisexual and you can tell by the way they dress or they just are too close to ther girls on their profile. As far as scammers, there are some catfishes, fake profiles, etc. Type of stuff you come across any dating app or SM app. To prevent this, ask for their Whats App number and hit them up on Messenger or Whats App asking them for a quick video call. If they hesitate, it’s fake. Also, fake profiles will have very few photos of the girl, maybe 1 or 2, few friends, or mainly be ads. Stay away from these type of profiles. There are many gems to be found on FB and many members on this board only do FB while in Medellin as they have so many friends. Most in Bello are working girls by the way. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Great advice! Thanks StudBucket.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3057652]Exchange whatsapps for what? If he is in the strip club buying drinks and talking and fucking, then he has already crossed off most of the list. If he brings aa Subway sandwich to the club and sits it in front of her then the list is complete.[/QUOTE]Mr I, with all due respect to the man of 18,000 posts and counting, I don't think you read KillArmy's original post carefully. He lamented, " the few times I have been with putas in my life, it's been absolutely terrible, no matter how hot the women was. I just can't get hard / cum at all if things are not natural, etc. ".

He's looking to find a working girl who will convincingly act like she's on a date with him. My suggestion was based on my own experience. Over my last seven years in Medellin, on a number of occasions, I have gone to both high end strip clubs (Fase II, Luna Lunera) and low (Barra Ejecutiva; Conejitos), spotted a hot looking chica with my kind of vibe, bought her one drink, exchanged Whats App numbers, and been out the door in half an hour. For me often the star pole dancer--I'm a sucker for acrobatic twerk artists.

In most all cases, these chicas have been happy to come to my apartment in the early evening, smoke a joint, and have something resembling a normal date without them watching the clock. Some became regulars (were only working at the club temporarily) and if lively company, I would take out for dinner or drinks from time to time.

KillArmy may require an unusually good and willing actress (or punta sex therapist) to meet his orgasmic needs, but my suggested modus operandi (method) might be one way for him to find a promising candidate. Dinosaur9's advice might work for him as well. In both cases, our recommendations provide for face-to-face auditions, which might serve him better than looking online as he was inclined to do.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3057737]Mr I, with all due respect to the man of 18,000 posts and counting, I don't think you read KillArmy's original post carefully. He lamented, " the few times I have been with putas in my life, it's been absolutely terrible, no matter how hot the women was. I just can't get hard / cum at all if things are not natural, etc. ".

He's looking to find a working girl who will convincingly act like she's on a date with him..[/QUOTE]I understood it. Sometimes you have to look within. Whenever I am in those places you named, the chicks always make it seem like I am on a real date with them. Some people know how to make their own fun and some people are waiting for fun to happen to them. If it has always been terrible then it definitely ain't the girls. Honestly, I can not think of a terrible time I have had with a hooker in Colombia. When you look at posts from people like me, Iron Quinn, and Tomjackin who never seem to have a bad time, you have to question someone who has never had a favorable time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3057756]Whenever I am in those places you named, the chicks always make it seem like I am on a real date with them. Some people know how to make their own fun and some people are waiting for fun to happen to them. If it has always been terrible then it definitely ain't the girls. Honestly, I can not think of a terrible time I have had with a hooker in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Very hard to have a bad time in Colombia. Most likely the guys fault if he is having a bad time there. Now other countries that is another story.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3057763]Agreed. Very hard to have a bad time in Colombia. Most likely the guys fault if he is having a bad time there. Now other countries that is another story.[/QUOTE]"Very hard to have a bad time in Colombia. " I think the guys who have been drugged and robbed would probably disagree.

Dinosaur9, Nil Admirari, I want to thank both of you for your incredibly helpful answers, this was super interesting, and I will look into things next week for sure.

I am sure they can be useful for other readers as well.

For the ones claiming it's 'my fault' if I have no fun here, I simply never pay for fun. I had a lot of success between lets say 2014 == 2023, and I never felt the need of paying for it. I have no problems at all with the people who do but as much more gents than what people think (I believe), my brain is playing tricks with me like absolute crazy if I feel like there is no connection at all, if this is 'work' for whoever I am with, if things are as I wrote, not 'natural'. It's a bit difficult to explain (and English is not my first language), would be a long conversation for sure.

Anyway, thank you again for the answers and crossed fingers from my side.

And since my message will be looked by a moderator, how the flying fuck is it acceptable to have messages like the one from 'Huacho' ? He is a paying customer in here maybe, so he can write whatever he wants, including 'advising other members to kill themselves'?

[QUOTE=Huacho;3057690]Find a tall building and jump off of it.[/QUOTE]Dude, don't leave your day job to go into psychiatry.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3057833]They probably deserved it and should stay in the states. LOL.[/QUOTE]Hey, hey, LOL. I'd been going for 11 years and it was the 3rd date with a 'normal' girl I met when I was drugged. Ha ha. Thankfully I can laugh a little about it now. Seriously though, it was when I was trying to date non-pros and not paying. While some 40+ guys can regularly pull 20 year olds and not pay, it's not the norm. If you're playing that game be extra careful!

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3057837]Hey, hey, LOL. I'd been going for 11 years and it was the 3rd date with a 'normal' girl I met when I was drugged. Ha ha. Thankfully I can laugh a little about it now. Seriously though, it was when I was trying to date non-pros and not paying. While some 40+ guys can regularly pull 20 year olds and not pay, it's not the norm. If you're playing that game be extra careful![/QUOTE]I agree, got to be careful at all times in Colombia. That's why I just smash and dash. I don't care for the "GFE" fake experience it just costs more and wastes more of my time. I just want to smash then my post nut clarity kicks in and I am ready to get away and do my own thing.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3057778]"Very hard to have a bad time in Colombia. " I think the guys who have been drugged and robbed would probably disagree.[/QUOTE]Or me who spent a weekend in jail for successfully resisting a robbery.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3057654]I'm surprised this hasn't come naturally for you. All of my experiences were like this if I chose them to be. The girls in Lleras seemed to all have been eager to play the GFE game of holding hands and being close while walking through the park and spending time together. Especially now since there was like a 5/1 ratio of women to men at the park recently.


The best bet would simply be to get the WhatsApp of a girl at Lleras early in the afternoon and tell her to meet you at a restaurant then take it from there. Most of these women can't afford to eat in Poblado so they'll be more than content to be treated for the night to food and drinks. I wouldn't do this after haggling because if you pay her too little, she may want to try to pick up another date before the night is out to make more money.

Or have your fun with the girl as the "ice breaker" then walk with her back to Lleras and ask her if she wants food and drink. That what happened with my second GFE girl who was a video model..[/QUOTE]Are we seriously wining and dining prostitutes now? Lmao the GFE is supposed to be included in the service. If not, they're just a shitty pro. There are ways to filter, can usually tell within 30 seconds by her personality and eye contact but tbh it's luck of the draw sometimes.

Just shocking, imagine spending 500 k on a Lleras girl AND paying for food and drink. No shortage of marks in Medallin.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3057833]They probably deserved it and should stay in the states. LOL.[/QUOTE]Nobody deserves to be drugged and robbed [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3057902]Nobody deserves to be drugged and robbed.[/QUOTE]Some guys will take the girls' side no matter what. Yeah well, let's see how they feel about it if and when it happens to them, or someone they care about. Miraculously, feelings always seem to change then.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3057902]Nobody deserves to be drugged and robbed.[/QUOTE]Sorry master, you're correct.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;3057892]Are we seriously wining and dining prostitutes now? Lmao the GFE is supposed to be included in the service. If not, they're just a shitty pro. There are ways to filter, can usually tell within 30 seconds by her personality and eye contact but tbh it's luck of the draw sometimes.

Just shocking, imagine spending 500 k on a Lleras girl AND paying for food and drink. No shortage of marks in Medallin.[/QUOTE]Yeah for some men there is value in hanging out with an actual feminine, engaged and pleasant woman that you're going to nail after it's all said and done. Particularly when you come from western countries where the women are insufferable.

I couldn't imagine going to MDE and sport fucking my entire time there. Not all the women are equipped for this, but you have to eat and sometimes it better to do it with a model. But yeah the expenses can get up there.

[QUOTE=Manizales911]Nobody deserves to be drugged and robbed[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say that. I would say that the people that drug and rob people deserve to be drugged and robbed.

Had a buddy in town for the weekend, we were on la setenta Friday night, and we hit the proverbial jackpot. A group of girls were celebrating one of their 21st birthdays and they were out all happy and full of energy as most paisas are, so we began talking them up and they invited us to join them. 6 girls, 4 of them going to nursing school at the University of Bello, and the other 2 already working as nurses! All of them 19-22, very cool. We made no attempts to take any of them home with us, as we decided these types of girls better to play the long game. If you speak Spanish and live here, the opportunities are endless.

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[QUOTE=Kazeu;3057947]I wouldn't say that. I would say that the people that drug and rob people deserve to be drugged and robbed.[/QUOTE]Good point, LOL.

I am cheap but love my living room, full kitchen, big tv, and queen / king bed. What's the going rate nowadays. I have lived in Laureles and 5 minutes from Lleras. Forgot the town. What's the max I should spend.

Good sex is relatively easy to find but a good Tantra massage which is a sensual massage is much more difficult to find. Any girl can provide sex but finding a girl who has the patience and skills to give a sensual massage is not that easy. I have tried some online girls who advertise it in the past and they have not been that good. A friend went to a Tantric Massage shop and he said it was very disappointing. I know some guys are thinking why not just have sex with an attractive girl? And the answer is that a good sensual massage is a different experience and you can have both. It is not one or the other.

So on this trip, I tried doing something different. I found a girl who is good in bed but she is also willing to learn so I just decided to teach her how to give a good sensual massage, and now she is actually very good at it. She has a great attitude about it. The lessons continue. I like her to get to the point that she can be great at it. She is getting there. And it is much better than any girl advertising online or in the shops.

So if you are looking for a good tantric massage and can't seem to find it, you might want to find a willing girl and just teach her the things that you would like her to do.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3058105]I am cheap but love my living room, full kitchen, big tv, and queen / king bed. What's the going rate nowadays. I have lived in Laureles and 5 minutes from Lleras. Forgot the town. What's the max I should spend.[/QUOTE]Parque Lleras is in Poblado. If you don't need AC or a hot tub, you should be able to find a nice one bedroom apartment with what you listed for under $75 per day. If you rent for a month, it will be around $1200. Those are prices around Laureles. Poblado is higher. It's been 8 years since I stayed in Poblado, so I don't know how much higher it is there.

[QUOTE=MaxLee88;3057961]Had a buddy in town for the weekend, we were on la setenta Friday night, and we hit the proverbial jackpot. A group of girls were celebrating one of their 21st birthdays and they were out all happy and full of energy as most paisas are, so we began talking them up and they invited us to join them. 6 girls, 4 of them going to nursing school at the University of Bello, and the other 2 already working as nurses! All of them 19-22, very cool. We made no attempts to take any of them home with us, as we decided these types of girls better to play the long game. If you speak Spanish and live here, the opportunities are endless.[/QUOTE]It's helpful to speak Spanish in place where that's the official language but it's not necessary. I speak very little Spanish and I am old and fat. I have more women than I time when I visit Medellin. There's even the opportunity to date locals who work bakeries, restaurants etc. I prefer the P2P scene because don't need someone 24/7.

On. Your last trip I trying to help a gringo who was looking for wife. In that instance you really need to know Spanish which he did not. I find the many people in Colombia are happy to live there. I went to school with 2 Colombiana's and they returned back home when they were done.

The people who have most problems in Medellin are the gringos who do not have enough money or don't to spend any money. I see people who have problems that could be resolved by investing in $40 for Tinder. You make the trip that costs money and a place to stay but won't spend a small amount of money. I digress.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3058138]
So if you are looking for a good tantric massage and can't seem to find it, you might want to find a willing girl and just teach her the things that you would like her to do.[/QUOTE]Seems like when I first started going to casas in Medellin, the girls would ask me if I wanted a massage. Sometimes I opted for some of the time to be a massage. My more recent experiences have been just straight to the blow and stroke. I had forgotten about the massages until reading your post. I also get regular massages from my girl and a place in Medellin that specializes in professional messages.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3058191]Seems like when I first started going to casas in Medellin, the girls would ask me if I wanted a massage. Sometimes I opted for some of the time to be a massage. My more recent experiences have been just straight to the blow and stroke. I had forgotten about the massages until reading your post. I also get regular massages from my girl and a place in Medellin that specializes in professional messages.[/QUOTE]Speaking of massages does anyone have any experience with the women that hand out their cards up and down Calle 10 during the day thy offer in home massages?

Seems like a way to exploit newbies but I came across a fine one and I'm wondering what's up.

I've got to go to Medellin on a legit business trip and want to go to La Isla for old times sake. I don't want to go alone so was planning on staying at Hotel M as I used to, to meet some fellow travelers. I read that it closed but the second hotel M building might still be open? Or that there might be a new hotel in it's place?

TLDR is there somewhere in Medellin affiliated or similar to "the mansion" where I'll certainly meet fellow solo travelers interested in hitting up la Isla?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3058191]Seems like when I first started going to casas in Medellin, the girls would ask me if I wanted a massage. Sometimes I opted for some of the time to be a massage. My more recent experiences have been just straight to the blow and stroke. I had forgotten about the massages until reading your post. I also get regular massages from my girl and a place in Medellin that specializes in professional messages.[/QUOTE]Generally, massages from girls in casas are a waste of time. It is like getting a regular massage from someone who doesn't know how to give a regular massage. So it is not a good regular massage and it is not a sensual teasing massage. If you want a real massage, you should go to a professional and not expect a happy ending. If you want a sensual teasing massage that may end with a blowjob or regular sex, you need to go to a girl who specializes in such massages and she will know what to do.

This is my longest trip to Medellin. It has been 5 months already and I probably will be here for another 2 months. I left the country in January for a week so I was able to reset the 6 month limit for the year. You could actually extend to a year if you spend the last 6 months here before the end of the year and then leave for a short while and come back the beginning of the next year and that would be a year. I did the online extension after 3 months and it was relatively easy.

The weather is nice except for a lot of rain from time to time. City of Eternal Spring is true.

Food is average. Some guys like it but I think that most of my meals have been average to subpar. If you pay up a bit more, you can get better food. Pizza, hamburgers, fried chicken and pasta are generally your best bets but not the healthiest.

You can rent an Abnb apartment for a reasonable price generally under $1000 per month in Laureles, a bit more in Poblado. It would be cheaper if you rented for the year but most of us aren't going to stay year round so you have to pay a bit more.

As for girls, with some time and effort, you can find the type of girls that you want. Attractiveness is very subjective and girls that are very attractive to you may not be attractive to others and vice versa. Stories about guys and seeing girls who are 9's and 10's are generally true in the eyes of those guys but you may have a different opinion about those girls. I don't worry about other guys think. I just see girls that I find attractive. On a long term trip, you can take your time because there is always tomorrow and the girl who rejects your offer may come back to you later in the month and accept it when the rent is due.

As many long term visitors do, I prefer to have a rotation of regular girls. I think a good number is 5 to 7. It gives you diversity and reliable performance. Young attractive girls who provide a solid GFE performance in bed for a reasonable price, no complaints here.

Medellin can be dangerous with many reports of robberies and druggings. I would not dismiss the concerns. You just have to be aware of your surroundings and to take precautions. So far so good for the past 5 years or so of visits to Medellin but I try not to be complacent.

I think Medelllin and Colombia generally can be good place for guys to visit for a long trip. I do miss great food so I do look forward to my next trip to Southeast Asia!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3058191] a place in Medellin that specializes in professional messages.[/QUOTE]I am still looking for a good professional massage place in Medellin, strictly legitimate without the extras.

Realized with experience that the ones providing extras don't know a rats ass about massage therapy but want to obscure it with a rub and tug.

Back in 2020, I had a girl that passed out the same card and while I never got a massage. She was part of a threesome and was providing other girls for me. This was during covid limitations so I don't know if this puts an asterisk on my advice. Ask snapshot, he should know LOL.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3058237]Speaking of massages does anyone have any experience with the women that hand out their cards up and down Calle 10 during the day thy offer in home massages?

Seems like a way to exploit newbies but I came across a fine one and I'm wondering what's up.[/QUOTE].

I remember now, my last stay was in manila. A few minutes drive to Lleras. It was a nice 2 bedroom apartment. But it was so quiet. You can be heard if you were doing some serious pounding. I found something was told just treat the place with respect.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3058159]Parque Lleras is in Poblado. If you don't need AC or a hot tub, you should be able to find a nice one bedroom apartment with what you listed for under $75 per day. If you rent for a month, it will be around $1200. Those are prices around Laureles. Poblado is higher. It's been 8 years since I stayed in Poblado, so I don't know how much higher it is there.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Ray42;3058240]I've got to go to Medellin on a legit business trip and want to go to La Isla for old times sake. I don't want to go alone so was planning on staying at Hotel M as I used to, to meet some fellow travelers. I read that it closed but the second hotel M building might still be open? Or that there might be a new hotel in it's place?

TLDR is there somewhere in Medellin affiliated or similar to "the mansion" where I'll certainly meet fellow solo travelers interested in hitting up la Isla?[/QUOTE]The Mansion is no more. They have leveled the property. Also M2 has been sold. Gone. No other place in Medellin similar.

I just come back from Medellin, I spent 5 days there and it was great! I was like always in Hotel Nutibara in El Centro, near Parque Berrio and seriously, I fucked 6 ladies bareback very pretty who were between 19 to 22.

The first one was Alexandra a beautiful girl venezolana 19 years old. She was walking with her friend near the church waiting customers! She was really pretty and sexy, beautiful face. When she saw me, I was sitting on a bench near the church she came to me with a big smile! She asked me if I like her and she turn on her. I touched her ass then her tits. Ans she sate near me. I gave her a deep french kiss. And she asked me 100 for a short time. I told her normally it's 50 and not 100. But I finally say yes for 100 but I wanted fuck her bareback! She was OK and then we went to my hotel! And I was seriously surprised how good she was with me. We fucked during 40 good minutes. Lot of DFK, I licked her pussy, fingered her pussy then 4 different positions, and the she wanted I finish and I came inside her pussy. Then we went directly to shower together. I was still horny and I fucked her again few seconds in the shower and then I asked her to do me a blowjob and I came a second time in her mouth. It was really good. I decided to give her 50 more because she was really nice. So finally I paid 150 000 pesos.

Then the next day, in the afternoon around 7 pm, I decided to go to the street with lot of bars and then I decided to stop in front of the bar Veracruz because the waitess were sexy. And I met Angie, sexy lady 21 years old, she unfortunately take a lot f cocaine in the bar in front of everybody but is really sexy too. When I arrived, I saw she was already drinking with friends of her and another sexy lady. She was already busy, but I waited she go back to the bar alone few minutes later to bring back the bootles and then I went to her directly, I told her I ve noticed her and she was really pretty? That I'd loved to pay her some drinks. And then she told me, she was busy right now with her friends, and come back the next day. She gave me her whasapp. So I decided to stop in the bar just to take a drink alone and few minutes later she came back to me quickly and she proposed me a short time right now in a room near to ther bar but she couldn't stay long time with me because she wanted to leave the bar with friends. But I think she wanted to have money before to leave. And then directly she asked me 200 but I told her it was too much, then without any hesitation she asked me 100. I didn't want to negotiate more, and finally we went to the room next to the bar, I paid 20 for the room and 100 for her. She took a quickly shower and then I started to kiss her like I always love to do with the girls, and then I licked her pussy, she liked that but she told me she can't stay long time because her friends are waiting her so I decided to fuck her, she gave me a condom but I told her I don't like this, I asked her if I can fuck her bareback and she told me OK but she didn't want I come inside her pussy. And after 3 positions in 10 minutes I came on her belly. Then we go back to the bar together, I proposed her to pay her a drink again but she told me she has to go. 3 guys and her another sexy friend with red hair were waiting for her. I just told her it s a pity, because it was only 9 pm and I didn't want to be alone and go back my hotel now. Then she asked another girl in the bar to stay with me. And the girl was lovely too, just 18 blond hair, and I paid her few drinks, but she was already drunk, and she loved to touch my dick and kissed me but I told her I didn't want to fuck her like she was in this situation. She shagged herself against me on my chair in the bar, we kissed and we touched each other and then I decided to give her an extra of 50 000 pesos and I went my hotel alone to sleep.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3056595]200 k for 30 min bareback I have gotten a few times. Just get a bunch of # on whatsapp and ask. But like I said don't go for the girls that got plastic or are dressed up fancy. There's hundreds of girls every day you can get #s from everywhere in the city and lleras. Just try haha and I mean like 50 #s a day and you'll get several that will do 200 k bareback plus facebook girls will do it too and friends of their friends. Go read reports of others too if you don't believe me and don't be fat and ugly it helps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;3058287]The Mansion is no more. They have leveled the property. Also M2 has been sold. Gone. No other place in Medellin similar.[/QUOTE]The Mansion was past its prime. There was more and more complaints about the quality of the girls and that may have been a reason why it just started going downhill. I think also more girls become available online and guys discovered that they didn't need the Mansion to meet girls.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3058260]This is my longest trip to Medellin. It has been 5 months already and I probably will be here for another 2 months. I left the country in January for a week so I was able to reset the 6 month limit for the year. You could actually extend to a year if you spend the last 6 months here before the end of the year and then leave for a short while and come back the beginning of the next year and that would be a year. I did the online extension after 3 months and it was relatively easy.

The weather is nice except for a lot of rain from time to time. City of Eternal Spring is true.

Food is average. Some guys like it but I think that most of my meals have been average to subpar. If you pay up a bit more, you can get better food. Pizza, hamburgers, fried chicken and pasta are generally your best bets but not the healthiest.

You can rent an Abnb apartment for a reasonable price generally under $1000 per month in Laureles, a bit more in Poblado. It would be cheaper if you rented for the year but most of us aren't going to stay year round so you have to pay a bit more.

As for girls, with some time and effort, you can find the type of girls that you want. Attractiveness is very subjective and girls that are very attractive to you may not be attractive to others and vice versa. Stories about guys and seeing girls who are 9's and 10's are generally true in the eyes of those guys but you may have a different opinion about those girls. I don't worry about other guys think. I just see girls that I find attractive. On a long term trip, you can take your time because there is always tomorrow and the girl who rejects your offer may come back to you later in the month and accept it when the rent is due.

As many long term visitors do, I prefer to have a rotation of regular girls. I think a good number is 5 to 7. It gives you diversity and reliable performance. Young attractive girls who provide a solid GFE performance in bed for a reasonable price, no complaints here.

Medellin can be dangerous with many reports of robberies and druggings. I would not dismiss the concerns. You just have to be aware of your surroundings and to take precautions. So far so good for the past 5 years or so of visits to Medellin but I try not to be complacent.

I think Medelllin and Colombia generally can be good place for guys to visit for a long trip. I do miss great food so I do look forward to my next trip to Southeast Asia![/QUOTE]Not sure if you care or not. Many of you won't, but by staying 7 months in Colombia in a 365 day period you will be making yourself a tax resident of Colombia and will technically be required to register with the appropriate tax authorities. The enforcement is pretty lax, but may be something you want to take into account. I would not do this for my financial privacy.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;3058389]Not sure if you care or not. Many of you won't, but by staying 7 months in Colombia in a 365 day period you will be making yourself a tax resident of Colombia and will technically be required to register with the appropriate tax authorities. The enforcement is pretty lax, but may be something you want to take into account. I would not do this for my financial privacy.[/QUOTE]I am a Colombian tax resident and I just don't see the big deal. Your info is already all over the place and if you have nothing to hide then what's the big deal?

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3058408]I am a Colombian tax resident and I just don't see the big deal. Your info is already all over the place and if you have nothing to hide then what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]Why do you think your financials are all over the place? I'd rather not have my financial information and net worth in the hands of a corrupt government officials in a 3rd world country. Maybe I'm paranoid, but it helps me sleep at night.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;3058389]Not sure if you care or not. Many of you won't, but by staying 7 months in Colombia in a 365 day period you will be making yourself a tax resident of Colombia and will technically be required to register with the appropriate tax authorities. The enforcement is pretty lax, but may be something you want to take into account. I would not do this for my financial privacy.[/QUOTE]That is the primary reason I don't apply for an extensed visa. I keep the time in Colombia under 180 days each year. It's not a problem for me to alternate each month between Colombia and the US. I usually spend a few days more than a month in the US to keep the total in Colombia under 180 days. My biggest problem is finding an apartment I like in Medellin for a reasonable price. One thing to keep in mind for anyone planning to stay 180 days, any part of a day in Colombia is considered a day when they are counting. In other words, if your passport is stamped one minute before midnight and you leave the next day, they count that as two days.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3058430]That is the primary reason I don't apply for an extensed visa. I keep the time in Colombia under 180 days each year. It's not a problem for me to alternate each month between Colombia and the US. I usually spend a few days more than a month in the US to keep the total in Colombia under 180 days. My biggest problem is finding an apartment I like in Medellin for a reasonable price. One thing to keep in mind for anyone planning to stay 180 days, any part of a day in Colombia is considered a day when they are counting. In other words, if your passport is stamped one minute before midnight and you leave the next day, they count that as two days.[/QUOTE]Nice plan. That's something I could see myself doing in the future.

So I just wrapped my first visit to MDE a couple of weeks ago and am preparing a major report to share, but I wanted to drop a quick update that seems timely. In chatting with one of the ladies I met, I heard that in the last few days the city is majorly cracking down on everything happening around the Parque. I'm a first timer so I have no comparison but there was definitely a massive police presence there- yet it did nothing to deter the amazing time I had (more on that in a forthcoming report).

But anyways this lovely young woman with a perfect ass and beautiful pouty lips has told me it's been a huge deal, they're making all of the bars at the Parque that are known working girl spots to close down early, and apparently the rumor is that everything is to be shut down in the next couple of months. And girls are getting fined for propositioning people in the Parque itself.

Any of you old pros, expats, or general contrarians can feel free to take that with a grain of salt, but anyone who is reading this and itching to finally pull the trigger, I'd consider doing it sooner than later.

[QUOTE=KnightCrawller;3058439]So I just wrapped my first visit to MDE a couple of weeks ago and am preparing a major report to share, but I wanted to drop a quick update that seems timely. In chatting with one of the ladies I met, I heard that in the last few days the city is majorly cracking down on everything happening around the Parque. I'm a first timer so I have no comparison but there was definitely a massive police presence there- yet it did nothing to deter the amazing time I had (more on that in a forthcoming report).

But anyways this lovely young woman with a perfect ass and beautiful pouty lips has told me it's been a huge deal, they're making all of the bars at the Parque that are known working girl spots to close down early, and apparently the rumor is that everything is to be shut down in the next couple of months. And girls are getting fined for propositioning people in the Parque itself.

Any of you old pros, expats, or general contrarians can feel free to take that with a grain of salt, but anyone who is reading this and itching to finally pull the trigger, I'd consider doing it sooner than later.[/QUOTE]This has happened before. The club owners are some of the most powerful people in Medellin and they will get the clubs back open in short time if they get closed down. I question the validity of the rumor that girls are getting fined for propositioning men because that is perfectly legal here in Colombia. I live in Manizales but I'm heading to Meddy in a few days, I'll report back what I see. It will be dead due to Semana Santa next week though but that has no effect on me, I have my rotation.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;3058414]Why do you think your financials are all over the place? I'd rather not have my financial information and net worth in the hands of a corrupt government officials in a 3rd world country. Maybe I'm paranoid, but it helps me sleep at night.[/QUOTE]There are corrupt government officials in every government. Colombia has had my info for almost 20 years without issues. Calling Colombia a third world country shows your lack of knowledge of the country.

[QUOTE=KnightCrawller;3058439]So I just wrapped my first visit to MDE a couple of weeks ago and am preparing a major report to share, but I wanted to drop a quick update that seems timely. In chatting with one of the ladies I met, I heard that in the last few days the city is majorly cracking down on everything happening around the Parque. I'm a first timer so I have no comparison but there was definitely a massive police presence there- yet it did nothing to deter the amazing time I had (more on that in a forthcoming report).

But anyways this lovely young woman with a perfect ass and beautiful pouty lips has told me it's been a huge deal, they're making all of the bars at the Parque that are known working girl spots to close down early, and apparently the rumor is that everything is to be shut down in the next couple of months. And girls are getting fined for propositioning people in the Parque itself.

Any of you old pros, expats, or general contrarians can feel free to take that with a grain of salt, but anyone who is reading this and itching to finally pull the trigger, I'd consider doing it sooner than later.[/QUOTE]It's all political theater. Elections are coming at the end of May.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3058514]There are corrupt government officials in every government. Colombia has had my info for almost 20 years without issues. Calling Colombia a third world country shows your lack of knowledge of the country.[/QUOTE]I've never been in a car crash in my entire life, but I still wear my seatbelt. Just cause you haven't had issues in 20 years, doesn't mean people should not be cautious. If you wanna give your info, good for you, but there are absolutely different levels of corruption. You know nothing about me and I know way more than enough about Colombia to know I don't want them handling my financial info. Let everyone decide for themselves. Colombia is far from a safe haven. Go ahead and wear your rolex in the streets of Colombia. I'll keep mine safe at home.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;3058517]It's all political theater. Elections are coming at the end of May.[/QUOTE]100% . The police presence ebbs and flows with elections and public opinion on tourists. That has been my experience since 2014 or so. They've completely shutdown freelancers in Parque Lleras 2-3 x and the action just moved to Parque Poblado. This works until all of the Lleras businesses raise a ruckus due to fewer customers and then they re-open it.

[QUOTE=KnightCrawller;3058439]So I just wrapped my first visit to MDE a couple of weeks ago and am preparing a major report to share, but I wanted to drop a quick update that seems timely. In chatting with one of the ladies I met, I heard that in the last few days the city is majorly cracking down on everything happening around the Parque. I'm a first timer so I have no comparison but there was definitely a massive police presence there- yet it did nothing to deter the amazing time I had (more on that in a forthcoming report).

But anyways this lovely young woman with a perfect ass and beautiful pouty lips has told me it's been a huge deal, they're making all of the bars at the Parque that are known working girl spots to close down early, and apparently the rumor is that everything is to be shut down in the next couple of months. And girls are getting fined for propositioning people in the Parque itself.

Any of you old pros, expats, or general contrarians can feel free to take that with a grain of salt, but anyone who is reading this and itching to finally pull the trigger, I'd consider doing it sooner than later.[/QUOTE]That is one of the pluses of Facebook girls. Crackdowns on streetwalkers, bars and nightclubs doesn't really affect the girls from Facebook. It is always business as usual with Facebook girls.

[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colombia-medellin-body-found-eric-gutierrez-molina-american-airlines/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3058610][URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colombia-medellin-body-found-eric-gutierrez-molina-american-airlines/[/URL][/QUOTE]It's surprising how many of the victims in these types of things are Latinos (from the US or elsewhere).

[QUOTE=Combo;3058616]It's surprising how many of the victims in these types of things are Latinos (from the US or elsewhere).[/QUOTE]I thought about this same thing and wondered why. I think it's because they get too comfortable. You know, they speak the language and can blend in. But, they need to remember they are still an outsider and not one of them! Getting too comfortable and letting your guard down sets you up to get victimized.

[QUOTE=Combo;3058616]It's surprising how many of the victims in these types of things are Latinos (from the US or elsewhere).[/QUOTE]Probably from the over confidence of knowing the language and culture with the western upbringing and dollar.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;3058518]I've never been in a car crash in my entire life, but I still wear my seatbelt. Just cause you haven't had issues in 20 years, doesn't mean people should not be cautious. If you wanna give your info, good for you, but there are absolutely different levels of corruption. You know nothing about me and I know way more than enough about Colombia to know I don't want them handling my financial info. Let everyone decide for themselves. Colombia is far from a safe haven. Go ahead and wear your rolex in the streets of Colombia. I'll keep mine safe at home.[/QUOTE]Since you don't live here (I do) you don't know what financial information you would be sharing. The truth is very little is required. The US form 1040 without supporting schedules or documents. So the only information that you would be sharing is your 'social security number'. Not your bank accounts, not your place of employment, not your investment accounts, not your net worth.

Being cautious is prudent in any country. But despite your 'advice' I think most people are more likely to be scammed in the US vs a foreign country.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3058645]I thought about this same thing and wondered why. I think it's because they get too comfortable. You know, they speak the language and can blend in. But, they need to remember they are still an outsider and not one of them! Getting too comfortable and letting your guard down sets you up to get victimized.[/QUOTE]Guy was a flight attendant so has probably been here dozens of times. Enough that he starts thinking "nah, it won't happen to me" and then it does.

Also I'm pretty sure this kind of thing happens to Colombianos as well. Probably a lot more than to extranjeros but the media doesn't care about that.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;3058653]Probably from the over confidence of knowing the language and culture with the western upbringing and dollar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;3058645]I thought about this same thing and wondered why. I think it's because they get too comfortable. You know, they speak the language and can blend in. But, they need to remember they are still an outsider and not one of them! Getting too comfortable and letting your guard down sets you up to get victimized.[/QUOTE]Great points. Only country I have gotten in a vehicle with a stranger was in San Salvador, El Salvador to go to another titty bar. I would not do that in any other country and I bet some of these guys think because they speak the language it will be easier to get help.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3058610][URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colombia-medellin-body-found-eric-gutierrez-molina-american-airlines/[/URL][/QUOTE]Seen some reports that theres a large police presence in Lleras, this headline won't help at all.

I mean, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, the tourism money is huge but also can't be allowing Lleras to become a complete passportbro playground.

Headed there for work in a couple weeks but I'm staying in Laureles for 10 days. Might take a trip down to Poblado and see how things are looking.

[QUOTE=ClarkCent;3058685]Seen some reports that theres a large police presence in Lleras, this headline won't help at all.

I mean, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, the tourism money is huge but also can't be allowing Lleras to become a complete passportbro playground.

Headed there for work in a couple weeks but I'm staying in Laureles for 10 days. Might take a trip down to Poblado and see how things are looking.[/QUOTE]I've been through there a few times over the last 2 weeks and didn't notice anything unusual. I might pass through the park tonight after a party, depending on the weather.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3058610][URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colombia-medellin-body-found-eric-gutierrez-molina-american-airlines/[/URL][/QUOTE]I wonder what he got into for this to happen to him. Dude was a flight attended so he wasn't a newbie, he was gay and in El Poblado.

[QUOTE=Combo;3058616]It's surprising how many of the victims in these types of things are Latinos (from the US or elsewhere).[/QUOTE]And gay as well. (His longtime partner, Ernesto Carranza, told CBS News). I know a gay cat who was in Arizona and went out with some people he thought he knew. He said that he had spent the previous Thanksgiving with them. Well anyway, he went out to a club with them and the next thing he knew he woke up in Denny's nekkit. The cops told him that kind of shit happens all the time (so it is not just Colombia) and to just be thankful that he is still alive. He was more so worried about what his dad was going to say, because it was not his first time fucking up and he had warned him many times before to cut the bullshit.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3058255]Generally, massages from girls in casas are a waste of time. It is like getting a regular massage from someone who doesn't know how to give a regular massage. So it is not a good regular massage and it is not a sensual teasing massage. If you want a real massage, you should go to a professional and not expect a happy ending. If you want a sensual teasing massage that may end with a blowjob or regular sex, you need to go to a girl who specializes in such massages and she will know what to do.[/QUOTE]Yes, I'd say in the past decade it was less and less actually girls who knew how to give a massage. Most of the time now when you get a massage from them its so they can check their phone and give half ass massages that do nothing.

However if anyone wants a FANTASTIC massage girl peep Ailen! Top 5 massages in Medellin prob my #1 currently.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hermosa-escort-con-apto-muy-comodo-y-seguro-esperandote-tambien-domicilios/19477824/[/URL]

She is amazing! I have a review of here if you check my messages.

The poor quality of food is my number 1 enduring frustration about living in Medellin. There are probably 15 to 20 restaurants I consider worth my while. If you are ok with bland and tasteless dishes that are heavy on starch, grease and salt then you will have no problem. Most of the Peruvian places are good (Mistura, Rocoto, Cuzco, etc.), there are a couple of good Colombian restaurants in Poblado (Idilico, oci. Mde, Sambombi). I honestly can't think of another Colombian restaurant worth a visit. Mwanwhile, locals wait on liine to get into Mondongos and Crepes and Waffles (a watered copy of the Cheesecake Factory). There are a few good ethnic restaurants around town. I spend more time cooking than I would like but the other advantages of the city outweigh all that.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3058260]This is my longest trip to Medellin. It has been 5 months already and I probably will be here for another 2 months. I left the country in January for a week so I was able to reset the 6 month limit for the year. You could actually extend to a year if you spend the last 6 months here before the end of the year and then leave for a short while and come back the beginning of the next year and that would be a year. I did the online extension after 3 months and it was relatively easy.

The weather is nice except for a lot of rain from time to time. City of Eternal Spring is true.

Food is average. Some guys like it but I think that most of my meals have been average to subpar. If you pay up a bit more, you can get better food. Pizza, hamburgers, fried chicken and pasta are generally your best bets but not the healthiest.[/QUOTE]

I've been visiting el Centro since I first came to Medellin, 10 years ago. It's one of my favorite parts of the city because of the atmosphere (gritty, but vibrant), the low cost, and the kinds of women I can meet there.

I usually walk on the side of the Veracruz church and up Carrera 53 for a block. I'll often stop in a cafe or bar there and watch the women walking around. Sometimes, it takes me a while to find a woman to go with. I avoid women sniffing the white or pink powder on the street. I'll talk with a woman, but then sometimes get suspicious they might be trans, or it seems they are too drunk or drugged out for my taste. Some women are too high pressure, or won't do what I want for the price. It will often take an hour or two walking around, looking and talking to 2 or 3 women before I go up to the room. I offer a woman 50 k for a half hour. Sometimes they ask for a little more (60 k-70 k total). I don't try to bargain. I do tell them a couple things I like in bed.

I've been going to the same love hotel right there. I like that they check the woman's ID. Some women won't go with me because they don't have their ID to get into this hotel. Short-time in the hotel is 14 k pesos. It's supposedly for a half hour, but they often won't knock unless the woman asks them to. I will usually offer the woman a beverage from the hotel (5-10 k). Sex is usually good, sometimes great. Many of the women I go with have excellent bodies and faces. I'll admit that I had to get used to all the tattoos some women have. Most women are patient with me and do several positions. I often get oral sex with no condom, for no additional cost. I generally tip 20 k for satisfactory service, and up to 50 k for exceptional service with a woman I want to continue with. I always pay after sex. Sometimes they ask for payment before, but I say no and they don't press the issue. Some women are ok with their photo being taken and will give me their phone number.

I've only had a handful of bad experiences over the years. Sometimes the sex isn't very good. One time, the sex was great, but then the woman wanted 200 k when I expected to pay her 80 k. There was a loud argument and hotel staff got involved. I wound up just paying her the 200 k to avoid further drama. Even at that price, the sex was well worth it. I know other people have been drugged, had their phones and wallets stolen etc. The young men on the corner, watching your every movement, are also a potential risk should you let yourself be vulnerable.

While the risks in el Centro are real, they are usually avoidable. Depending on your tastes, the great pleasures of el Centro are almost guaranteed.

My budget for a woman in el Centro:

50 k. Charge for half hour.

20 k. Tip.

8 k. Beverage for her.

14 k. Hotel.

92 k. Total ($25 usd).

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3058408]I am a Colombian tax resident and I just don't see the big deal. Your info is already all over the place and if you have nothing to hide then what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]I am a resident of Colombia. Yet I work really hard not to become a tax resident.

May not be a big deal if you only have retirement income or a modest salary. But if you have a successful business or investments, world income would leave you nothing left.

Also it is not 183 days in a year it is in the last 12 months. If you stayed 4 months say Late August, left for Christmas, returned in Feb and stayed 3 months you would already be over.

You might not trigger it on your departure. Coming back in would. Would have to wait to return until the prior August days had all fallen off, best below 180.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3058777]The poor quality of food is my number 1 enduring frustration about living in Medellin. There are probably 15 to 20 restaurants I consider worth my while. If you are ok with bland and tasteless dishes that are heavy on starch, grease and salt then you will have no problem. Most of the Peruvian places are good (Mistura, Rocoto, Cuzco, etc.), there are a couple of good Colombian restaurants in Poblado (Idilico, oci. Mde, Sambombi). I honestly can't think of another Colombian restaurant worth a visit. Mwanwhile, locals wait on liine to get into Mondongos and Crepes and Waffles (a watered copy of the Cheesecake Factory). There are a few good ethnic restaurants around town. I spend more time cooking than I would like but the other advantages of the city outweigh all that.[/QUOTE]Try:

* Mundo verde (el tesoro) healty and great food.

* Olivia (el tesoro) if you just want a pizza, really great ones.

* Simah, awesome ambiance, great food.

* San Carbon if you want meat.

* Entre Maderos, just order appetizers.

* Esperitu.

* La Provincia.

* Naan, if you like Indian food.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3058777]The poor quality of food is my number 1 enduring frustration about living in Medellin. There are probably 15 to 20 restaurants I consider worth my while. If you are ok with bland and tasteless dishes that are heavy on starch, grease and salt then you will have no problem. Most of the Peruvian places are good (Mistura, Rocoto, Cuzco, etc.), there are a couple of good Colombian restaurants in Poblado (Idilico, oci. Mde, Sambombi). I honestly can't think of another Colombian restaurant worth a visit. Mwanwhile, locals wait on liine to get into Mondongos and Crepes and Waffles (a watered copy of the Cheesecake Factory). There are a few good ethnic restaurants around town. I spend more time cooking than I would like but the other advantages of the city outweigh all that.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. I've found some good places around town that have quality food and tasty, but in general, you are spot on. Most tourists will probably wind up going to chains. If you spend enough time in Medellin, you can find a few hidden gems. Weekends can be tough, especially on Sundays, because it's family day and just about every restaurant will be crowded. I tend to like the food on the coast more than Antioquia, but I do like the soups here. In general, it tends to be a positive experience, although the customer service and consistency can sometimes be lacking.

After chatting up with a few girls. I decided to do a price check starting with the 200 k that they say is 200 mil. 90 percent was fine with it immediately or after a little haggling. I soughta felt like I could have dipped lower. Don't try it at home precaution, I am still attractive and fit for 61. So there could be different results. Found a spot seems to be centrally located. Gym on the rooftop. The girls seem to be very aggressive wanting to know when I arrive. Like they want to be first. What's the dynamics with that since its paid sex? What are the flags to abort an arrangement? I took an HIV test negative. Starting truvada today. Anyone with experience with it. What's the first spa I should entertain. The plan is spa a day, visitor a day.

I just bought my ticket to Medellin for April. It's only my 2nd visit. My 1st was in 2022 and I stayed in Airbnb's. I had no trouble with them and found a great place that didn't have security staff. Now that scopolamine is more prevalent, would I be better off with a hotel or Airbnb with security? Did it make a difference? On my 1st visit I used tinder and parque Lleras to find women. That may make me an amateur in many of your eyes, and I am, but I was very pleased with the results I got. Anyways the 2 questions are, best places to stay, best way to find women. If anyone is willing to mentor, please pm me. I'll give you my number and maybe we can chat. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3058914]Agree 100%. I've found some good places around town that have quality food and tasty, but in general, you are spot on. Most tourists will probably wind up going to chains. If you spend enough time in Medellin, you can find a few hidden gems. Weekends can be tough, especially on Sundays, because it's family day and just about every restaurant will be crowded. I tend to like the food on the coast more than Antioquia, but I do like the soups here. In general, it tends to be a positive experience, although the customer service and consistency can sometimes be lacking.[/QUOTE]I have been to 66 countries and would rank Colombia approximately #60 in restaurant quality. El Salvador is worse, Iceland is worse, and Paraguay is worse. Probably a couple of others if I run through the whole list. Arepas suck.

[QUOTE=Villainy;3058669]Since you don't live here (I do) you don't know what financial information you would be sharing. The truth is very little is required. The US form 1040 without supporting schedules or documents. So the only information that you would be sharing is your 'social security number'. Not your bank accounts, not your place of employment, not your investment accounts, not your net worth.

Being cautious is prudent in any country. But despite your 'advice' I think most people are more likely to be scammed in the US vs a foreign country.[/QUOTE]I'd rather be cautious as it makes me feel better. Being scammed in the US is completely different than being scammed in a country that is not your own, especially one where laws are not enforced well. Espeically one where you can hire an assassin to for a couple K usd. Probably even yes.

I've spent as much time as I could in Colombia without being a tax resident. Since you seem to have more experience than I, maybe you could fill us in with what it really means to be a tax resident, because it doesn't seem possible that they will only ask you for a 1040. Being a tax resident as a foreigner means that if you have significant assets in any part of the world, you will be taxed on the total value of all your assets. Provided that the total value meets some threshold. A 1040 only provides information on income, it doesn't provide information on assets at all so it doesn't make sense to me.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3058931]I just bought my ticket to Medellin for April. It's only my 2nd visit. My 1st was in 2022 and I stayed in Airbnb's. I had no trouble with them and found a great place that didn't have security staff. Now that scopolamine is more prevalent, would I be better off with a hotel or Airbnb with security? Did it make a difference? On my 1st visit I used tinder and parque Lleras to find women. That may make me an amateur in many of your eyes, and I am, but I was very pleased with the results I got. Anyways the 2 questions are, best places to stay, best way to find women. If anyone is willing to mentor, please pm me. I'll give you my number and maybe we can chat. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I like to stay at San Peter Apartments in Laureles. They have 24-hour security and check IDs. At the ground floor is the Medellin Sports Bar where you can watch sports and hang out with other gringos, and a pretty good hamburger place across from it. Check it out.

I am a resident here. Honestly don't do much P4P as meet plenty of non pros who want a relationship on Tinder.

Yet, I hear FB a lot. If I had a huge list of young Colombian girls as friends. My real friends would know something is up.

So do guys not care about family, have 2 accounts?

Would appreciate info on how you pull it off!

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;3058985]I like to stay at San Peter Apartments in Laureles. They have 24-hour security and check IDs. At the ground floor is the Medellin Sports Bar where you can watch sports and hang out with other gringos, and a pretty good hamburger place across from it. Check it out.[/QUOTE]The street / club noise there from La 70 is ridiculous at night no matter what floor you're on and that sports bar is pretty small.

[QUOTE=ClamEater;3058989]I am a resident here. Honestly don't do much P4P as meet plenty of non pros who want a relationship on Tinder.

Yet, I hear FB a lot. If I had a huge list of young Colombian girls as friends. My real friends would know something is up.

So do guys not care about family, have 2 accounts?

Would appreciate info on how you pull it off![/QUOTE]What do you mean your real friends would know something is up? Do they not know that you like women? Also you can block people from seeing your friends list.

[QUOTE=ClamEater;3058989]I am a resident here. Honestly don't do much P4P as meet plenty of non pros who want a relationship on Tinder.

Yet, I hear FB a lot. If I had a huge list of young Colombian girls as friends. My real friends would know something is up.

So do guys not care about family, have 2 accounts?

Would appreciate info on how you pull it off![/QUOTE]Yes, I've had 2 accounts for years. I do the same with IG and also have two phones and use multiple browsers. You have to be increasingly careful as the algorithms will analyze your social media trends, location, proximity, and web browsing to match you to others.

Naan is super bland and ordinary. Zaaika (Poblado and Envigado) and The Curry Lounge are world's better and authentic. Indians who visit Medellin are regular customers. You will never find an Indian in Naan.

I agree Olivia is a good option. Their menu is not very creative but they use quality ingredients and maintain good food safety.

La Provincia has consistently been one of the city's very best restaurants.

I've been to the rest of the places on your list. They are a cut above the standard Colombian restaurants but that is not saying much. I would probably like them more if I were a big red meat eater.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;3058879]Try:

* Mundo verde (el tesoro) healty and great food.

* Olivia (el tesoro) if you just want a pizza, really great ones.

* Simah, awesome ambiance, great food.

* San Carbon if you want meat.

* Entre Maderos, just order appetizers.

* Esperitu.

* La Provincia.

* Naan, if you like Indian food.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3059066]Yes, I've had 2 accounts for years. I do the same with IG and also have two phones and use multiple browsers. You have to be increasingly careful as the algorithms will analyze your social media trends, location, proximity, and web browsing to match you to others.[/QUOTE]You can hide your friends on Facebook. Wouldn't that solve the problem on that particular platform? I don't use Facebook to find girls, but if I did, then hiding my friend list would be an absolute must. I keep my "normal' and my mongering lives completely separate, and never the two shall meet!

Hello,

I don't use this site much but from time to time check in.

I read some reports on a casa called Purple Elixir, never seen or heard of it before but when I search I cannot find anything anywhere.

Does anyone know if it's still open or location? Thank you!

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3058994]The street / club noise there from La 70 is ridiculous at night no matter what floor you're on and that sports bar is pretty small.[/QUOTE]I stayed on the 15th floor once and it was fine.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;3058985]I like to stay at San Peter Apartments in Laureles. They have 24-hour security and check IDs. At the ground floor is the Medellin Sports Bar where you can watch sports and hang out with other gringos, and a pretty good hamburger place across from it. Check it out.[/QUOTE]Agreed except the noise from the clubs on La 70 can be unbearable unless you are on a top floor or bring ear plugs, seriously.

[QUOTE=ClamEater;3058989]I am a resident here. Honestly don't do much P4P as meet plenty of non pros who want a relationship on Tinder.

Yet, I hear FB a lot. If I had a huge list of young Colombian girls as friends. My real friends would know something is up.

So do guys not care about family, have 2 accounts?

Would appreciate info on how you pull it off![/QUOTE]I have three FB accounts for different uses. Or simply go into your settings and keep your friends list from being seen, simple.

Pretty chill this week as a lot of people are out of town for Semana Santa. The beaches are probably packed. I even know some chicas vacationing in the DR.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;3058985]I like to stay at San Peter Apartments in Laureles. They have 24-hour security and check IDs. At the ground floor is the Medellin Sports Bar where you can watch sports and hang out with other gringos, and a pretty good hamburger place across from it. Check it out.[/QUOTE]What's the advantage to staying in Laureles vs. Poblado? During my first visit I really enjoyed the walking and picking up the chicas near Lleras. If I stay in laureles I assume I would have to walk to Lleras. Correct? Or is there another place to find women in Laureles that I'm not aware of?

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3059089]I stayed on the 15th floor once and it was fine.[/QUOTE]I've stayed on those upper floors several times during the weekend and the noise from the street is very loud. Other people have noted the noise in reviews and I agree with them from personal experience. The noise may be fine with you but not for some others.

This Colombia trip is costing me $90 round trip flight. $290 - 200 credit card credit. I go to Jamaica for 3 months to care for my mother. Job pays for it. Every April I go someplace other than Jamaica for variety. So I stay true to my nature. Free or inexpensive. By the way about this time last year I was in Brazil. So I don't get stuck in one country. The high for me is exploring the world on a limited budget LOL. Ghana next. With my skills and research appearance. I think I can do well anywhere.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3057159]Jamaica is full of beautiful womenand I mean beautiful women. If you can be with a different woman every night for the price of a box of KFC, why would you even consider leaving the island for a place like Colombia? Just my thoughts. Enquiring minds want to know![/QUOTE].

AI on Colombia 183 rule: The 183-day rule in Colombia dictates that if you stay in the country for more than 183 days within any consecutive 365-day period, you become a tax resident, regardless of your visa status. This triggers the obligation to report and pay taxes to the DIAN on your worldwide income and assets. Key Aspects of the 183-Day RuleRolling Period: It is not limited to a calendar year (Jan 1 – Dec 31). It is any 365-day period. Physical Presence: The 183 days can be continuous or interrupted (totaled over several trips). Entry / Exit Days: Both the day you arrive and the day you leave count toward your total time in Colombia. Trigger Mechanism: Upon reaching day 184, you are considered a tax resident for the fiscal year in which the period concluded.

[QUOTE=ClamEater;3058837]I am a resident of Colombia. Yet I work really hard not to become a tax resident.

May not be a big deal if you only have retirement income or a modest salary. But if you have a successful business or investments, world income would leave you nothing left.

Also it is not 183 days in a year it is in the last 12 months. If you stayed 4 months say Late August, left for Christmas, returned in Feb and stayed 3 months you would already be over.

You might not trigger it on your departure. Coming back in would. Would have to wait to return until the prior August days had all fallen off, best below 180.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=IamLookin;3059137]AI on Colombia 183 rule: The 183-day rule in Colombia dictates that if you stay in the country for more than 183 days within any consecutive 365-day period, you become a tax resident, regardless of your visa status. This triggers the obligation to report and pay taxes to the DIAN on your worldwide income and assets. Key Aspects of the 183-Day RuleRolling Period: It is not limited to a calendar year (Jan 1 Dec 31). It is any 365-day period. Physical Presence: The 183 days can be continuous or interrupted (totaled over several trips). Entry / Exit Days: Both the day you arrive and the day you leave count toward your total time in Colombia. Trigger Mechanism: Upon reaching day 184, you are considered a tax resident for the fiscal year in which the period concluded.[/QUOTE]Yes exactly. That is right although I think Ai got it 1 day wrong. My high priced CO tax accountant / attorney who lived in Miami for 15 years tells me. Don't go above 180.

Also my wording on triggering needs explaining. If you do hit 183 days. Yes you are by the letter of the law. You are to keep DAN happy for that Calendar year. Yet they won't know about it in a practical sense on your exit. If you do not stay out long enough to get under preferably 180 in the past 365 day so days falls off for each you are adding. DAN will be informed on your arrival.

In summary what really sucks about this is. If very close you have to plan your trips either at almost the same time each year or later in the year after the prior year. AND best Exit the same time or earlier if you came in the same time.

Royal PITA.

I always leave enough room if I would have to return for 10 days for something urgent in Colombia. (Not talking girls LOL).

I best add this is not legal advice.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3059095]What's the advantage to staying in Laureles vs. Poblado? During my first visit I really enjoyed the walking and picking up the chicas near Lleras. If I stay in laureles I assume I would have to walk to Lleras. Correct? Or is there another place to find women in Laureles that I'm not aware of?[/QUOTE]I find that everything is cheaper in Laureles, plus I like the vibe there better. There are a few casas in Laureles also but I have not been to them. Poblado is much more expensive, especially if you drink or dine around Parque Lleras or Provenza. Usually when I visit my paisa comes and stays with me. If I want to go to Lleras then it's a cheap Uber or Didi ride there. Walking would be too far. I like staying at San Peter because it's safe and I have a whole apartment with a kitchen, plus the noise doesn't bother me. But to each his own. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3059095]What's the advantage to staying in Laureles vs. Poblado? During my first visit I really enjoyed the walking and picking up the chicas near Lleras. If I stay in laureles I assume I would have to walk to Lleras. Correct? Or is there another place to find women in Laureles that I'm not aware of?[/QUOTE]Laureles, in general, in more residential and less hilly. For mongering, El Poblado is probably the better option between the 2 because of Lleras where there is a critical mass of available women. El Poblado also has better airbnb options, IMO. You would need to take a taxi from Laureles to Parque Lleras because it isn't walking distance. Really depends on what you like. If you want to be close to the action all the time, El Poblado is better between the 2, IMO. If you're doing FB or any kind of online stuff where you're not depending on streetwalkers, then you could probably stay pretty much anywhere (Envigado, Sabaneta, Belen, Laureles, Prado, Boston, etc.). But Lleras is pretty much ground zero for most sex tourists and night life seekers that visit the city. There is also El Centro if you like a more low budget trashier vibe.

[QUOTE=ClamEater;3058989]I am a resident here. Honestly don't do much P4P as meet plenty of non pros who want a relationship on Tinder.

Yet, I hear FB a lot. If I had a huge list of young Colombian girls as friends. My real friends would know something is up.

So do guys not care about family, have 2 accounts?

Would appreciate info on how you pull it off![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Manizales911;3059092]I have three FB accounts for different uses. Or simply go into your settings and keep your friends list from being seen, simple.[/QUOTE]I did the same as Manizales911. When I moved to Medellin years ago I created a 2nd FB account with completely different info so as not to advertise to friends and family.

You also don't want to advertise yourself as a potential target.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3059122]This Colombia trip is costing me $90 round trip flight. $290 - 200 credit card credit. I go to Jamaica for 3 months to care for my mother. Job pays for it. Every April I go someplace other than Jamaica for variety. So I stay true to my nature. Free or inexpensive. By the way about this time last year I was in Brazil. So I don't get stuck in one country. The high for me is exploring the world on a limited budget LOL. Ghana next. With my skills and research appearance. I think I can do well anywhere..[/QUOTE]That's an absolute fantastic deal. I guess you got it down to a science.

There are some [B]hotties[/B] in this video! And OMFG look at "las nalgas", like at around the 1:10 mark. It's been a minute since I've run up in some Colombiana cho cho. This makes me want to think about booking a trip! But I got to manage the budget. I got to manage the [B]International Tricking[/B] budget hahaha! A monger has too many trips queued up already. It's hard out here for a trick LOL! I need to rethink this shit. [B]Right now[/B]:

[URL]https://youtu.be/DRFom3LxIK0?si=ynaUbqDYvjAUE8zr[/URL]

I think you can get used to anything. That said, it's hard for me to understand how anyone manages to sleep withing two streets of la 70. Medellin is generally pretty noisy but that area takes it to another whole level.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3059102]I've stayed on those upper floors several times during the weekend and the noise from the street is very loud. Other people have noted the noise in reviews and I agree with them from personal experience. The noise may be fine with you but not for some others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;3059137]AI on Colombia 183 rule: The 183-day rule in Colombia dictates that if you stay in the country for more than 183 days within any consecutive 365-day period, you become a tax resident, regardless of your visa status. Key Aspects of the 183-Day RuleRolling Period: It is not limited to a calendar year (Jan 1 Dec 31). It is any 365-day period. [/QUOTE]I think AI is failing you in this instance. According to the Migración Colombia web site "Migración Colombia may grant extensions of stay to foreigners whose nationality does not require a visa and who intend to extend their stay, having used an Entry and Stay Permit (PIP), without this exceeding one hundred and eighty (180) calendar days (continuous or discontinuous) within the same calendar year". This is also contrary to another poster who said it is any 365 period, not a calendar year. Either way, it comes down to what the immigration agent wants to do.

Reference: https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/permiso-de-ingreso-y-permanencia-pip/permiso-de-ingreso-y-permanencia-pip

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3059215]it's hard for me to understand how anyone manages to sleep withing two streets of la 70. Medellin is generally pretty noisy but that area takes it to another whole level.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. La 70 can be ridiculous in terms of the noise. Even with soundproof windows, the noise can be disturbing. Laureles has some very noisy areas. Anywhere near Estadio can be noisy when there ia a concert, futbol game, or other event. Also, around the 2 parks can be noisy, especially on the weekends and holidays. Colombians tolerate loud noise much better than Americans, IMO. With so many options in Medellin there is no reason to stay in an area that you know will have excessive noise. The touristy areas in Laureles tend to be noisy. That being said, you can find quiet streets, if you know where to look and what to look for. Also, if you are booking an Airbnb, read the reviews because sometimes people will be honest about the negatives of a location.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3059238]I think AI is failing you in this instance. According to the Migracin Colombia web site "Migracin Colombia may grant extensions of stay to foreigners whose nationality does not require a visa and who intend to extend their stay, having used an Entry and Stay Permit (PIP), without this exceeding one hundred and eighty (180) calendar days (continuous or discontinuous) within the same calendar year". This is also contrary to another poster who said it is any 365 period, not a calendar year. Either way, it comes down to what the immigration agent wants to do.

Reference: https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/permiso-de-ingreso-y-permanencia-pip/permiso-de-ingreso-y-permanencia-pip[/QUOTE]Tax residency is not related to whether you have permission to stay in the country or not.

On my first visit I stayed at an Airbnb with no reception, just a private apartment in Manila. I really enjoyed the privacy, and the quiet location. Chicas came, chicas went, no questions.

1. With the whole scopolamine thing, is it really so prevalent and risky to justify staying someplace with a front desk that checks the girl's ID?

2. Does getting the woman's ID actually make you safer?

3. Or is checking your chica in at reception really not a big deal and I just need to get over it? Do the chica's mind?

Thanks guys your experience is valued.

Kinda funny to see the changes in Meddy. I guess Florida doesn't want the Spring Break crowd so now they will start coming to Medellin [URL]https://www.instagram.com/reel/DV3eGMTk3Ey/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet[/URL].

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3059280]On my first visit I stayed at an Airbnb with no reception, just a private apartment in Manila. I really enjoyed the privacy, and the quiet location. Chicas came, chicas went, no questions.

1. With the whole scopolamine thing, is it really so prevalent and risky to justify staying someplace with a front desk that checks the girl's ID?

2. Does getting the woman's ID actually make you safer?

3. Or is checking your chica in at reception really not a big deal and I just need to get over it? Do the chica's mind?

Thanks guys your experience is valued.[/QUOTE]Its not a big deal and nobody cares. Unless you are trying to do minors which is a terrible idea. ID check is for your protection. Stop thinking like a westerner from sex prison. Prostitution is LEGAL and part of the culture since forever.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3059280]On my first visit I stayed at an Airbnb with no reception, just a private apartment in Manila. I really enjoyed the privacy, and the quiet location. Chicas came, chicas went, no questions.

1. With the whole scopolamine thing, is it really so prevalent and risky to justify staying someplace with a front desk that checks the girl's ID?

2. Does getting the woman's ID actually make you safer?

3. Or is checking your chica in at reception really not a big deal and I just need to get over it? Do the chica's mind?

Thanks guys your experience is valued.[/QUOTE]If you get an AirBnB in a building that checks IDs, make sure the host is ok with bring back chicas. Some aren't. But as long as your host is ok with the visitors, don't worry about the front desk. They've seen it all before. The guards are typically guys, so the only judgement you're going to get is an evaluation of your taste in chicas.

With no pesos, what is my strategy. Questions. Do I get cambio at the airport? Do airport taxis take credit card? Laureles best choices: Western union, centro mall, ATM? I like Brazil where you could pay chicks with credit card. Is that the case with casas, strip clubs? Advice appreciated.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;3059388]If you get an AirBnB in a building that checks IDs, make sure the host is ok with bring back chicas. Some aren't. But as long as your host is ok with the visitors, don't worry about the front desk. They've seen it all before. The guards are typically guys, so the only judgement you're going to get is an evaluation of your taste in chicas.[/QUOTE]This is correct, you should ask the host about their visitor policy just be clear that you are not having a lot of people over for a party. Some hosts do care about having chicas over but it is mainly women hosts who care about it.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3059280]On my first visit I stayed at an Airbnb with no reception, just a private apartment in Manila. I really enjoyed the privacy, and the quiet location. Chicas came, chicas went, no questions.

1. With the whole scopolamine thing, is it really so prevalent and risky to justify staying someplace with a front desk that checks the girl's ID?

2. Does getting the woman's ID actually make you safer?

3. Or is checking your chica in at reception really not a big deal and I just need to get over it? Do the chica's mind?

Thanks guys your experience is valued.[/QUOTE]I would recommend telling them you have to register them online and asking for a Pic of their ID so send to security. I think they'd be less likely to drug you if they can be directly tied to the incident.

With that said, I'd only to a no security Airbnb if I plan on just using getting my nut then kicking them out. If you plan on casually hanging with them in the apartment and eating / drinking in their presence, just get a place with security in El Poblado. I had a place with a sign at reception saying no prostitution and still had women coming and going. They don't care for the most part as long as you're not causing distractions.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3059392]With no pesos, what is my strategy. Questions. Do I get cambio at the airport? Do airport taxis take credit card? Laureles best choices: Western union, centro mall, ATM? I like Brazil where you could pay chicks with credit card. Is that the case with casas, strip clubs? Advice appreciated.[/QUOTE]What exactly are you asking LOL?

I'd just pay the taxi from the airport with cash. When you get to the city, just visit a Banco Colombia ATM and take out pesos.

A some of the girls online do take cards and they'll explicitly state it. Many of them take online transfers with whatever app they use. Casas seem to all take credit though you have to ask.

With that said it's a lot easier to scam with cards so I'd stick to pesos.

I have always wondered why some guys are willing to spend up to $1,000 a month on rent, yet complain about spending $40 or $50 per session with a girl. It's something I've never understood. You would be surprised how many men I meet who will drop a grand on a luxury apartment in Medellin just to impress people, but then nickel-and-dime when it comes to actual dates or sessions. It completely blindsides me.

One of the biggest lessons I learned from my travels is that no matter where you live in Medellin, you're always within a stone's throw of where you need to be. Whether you're in Poblado, Aranjuez, or Centro, you're still in the same city. Nowhere is so far that you can't get there in a 5 to 15-minute taxi ride. To me, excessive spending on luxury apartments just to impress girls has always been a waste of income. While I always prioritize safety and security, that doesn't mean I need to pay triple the rent to impress someone I might only see once or twice a month. Stay safe and stay alert, PN.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3059392]With no pesos, what is my strategy. Questions. Do I get cambio at the airport? Do airport taxis take credit card? Laureles best choices: Western union, centro mall, ATM? I like Brazil where you could pay chicks with credit card. Is that the case with casas, strip clubs? Advice appreciated.[/QUOTE]Don't think taxis, strip clubs take credit cards. Only restaurants and shopping in malls. ATM's are your highest exchange rates. Don't exchange cash at airport. Definitely chicas & cases cash only.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3059392]With no pesos, what is my strategy. Questions. Do I get cambio at the airport? Do airport taxis take credit card? Laureles best choices: Western union, centro mall, ATM? I like Brazil where you could pay chicks with credit card. Is that the case with casas, strip clubs? Advice appreciated.[/QUOTE]At airport go up to the second floor and withdraw money from ATM. Make sure to DECLINE conversion. Take COMBUSES bus to San Diego Mall-20 mil and from there Didi / Uber / taxi to your Airbnb in Laureles 12-20 mil [URL]https://combusessa.com/rutas/aeropuerto-sandiego[/URL].
Just a reminder for those who don't know ALWAYS decline conversion -bank is trying to get another 7-9% from you. Don't worry - declining won't cancel your transaction.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3059411]I have always wondered why some guys are willing to spend up to $1,000 a month on rent, yet complain about spending $40 or $50 per session with a girl. It's something I've never understood. You would be surprised how many men I meet who will drop a grand on a luxury apartment in Medellin just to impress people, but then nickel-and-dime when it comes to actual dates or sessions. It completely blindsides me.

One of the biggest lessons I learned from my travels is that no matter where you live in Medellin, you're always within a stone's throw of where you need to be. Whether you're in Poblado, Aranjuez, or Centro, you're still in the same city. Nowhere is so far that you can't get there in a 5 to 15-minute taxi ride. To me, excessive spending on luxury apartments just to impress girls has always been a waste of income. While I always prioritize safety and security, that doesn't mean I need to pay triple the rent to impress someone I might only see once or twice a month. Stay safe and stay alert, PN.[/QUOTE]I don't usually stay longer than 2 weeks. I always get an apartment (never Poblado) that has an extra room and shower. I stock the shower that girls use with nice soaps and plenty of towels. They love going in there. It makes for better experience. I use a spare room to place my belongings.

I get a nicer place for myself and with some it makes for longer and better experience. I have fucked a lot girls and most them can't wait to come back. It's not me it's nice place and easy money.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3059411]I have always wondered why some guys are willing to spend up to $1,000 a month on rent, yet complain about spending $40 or $50 per session with a girl. It's something I've never understood. You would be surprised how many men I meet who will drop a grand on a luxury apartment in Medellin just to impress people, but then nickel-and-dime when it comes to actual dates or sessions. It completely blindsides me.[/QUOTE]Did they say they were trying to impress people or you just assume that is what they are doing? Different people put different values on different things. Have you seen the house that Mark Zuckerberg lives in? Does it also blindside you that he wears the same cheap ass hoodie everyday? Shouldn't he be in an Armani suit and custom gator shoes since he spent millions trying to impress people with the house?

[QUOTE=Blakman;3059392]With no pesos, what is my strategy. Questions. Do I get cambio at the airport? Do airport taxis take credit card? Laureles best choices: Western union, centro mall, ATM? I like Brazil where you could pay chicks with credit card. Is that the case with casas, strip clubs? Advice appreciated.[/QUOTE]Use your ATM card, or get a Schwab debit card. The best ATMS are the Servibanca ATMs as those would give you the most cash per withdrawal.

Personally, every time I go to Medellin, I bring as much cash as I can in euros. I usually go to the Unicentro shopping mall.

Inside, there are lots of currency exchange places, so I just check a few and pick the one with the best rate. And honestly, the rates there are unbeatable.

I've exchanged money in Medellin many times, and Unicentro is always my go-to spot. I never use my Visa card, because the exchange rates there are way better than what you get with a card.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3059444]Use your ATM card, or get a Schwab debit card. The best ATMS are the Servibanca ATMs as those would give you the most cash per withdrawal.[/QUOTE]

I haven't heard much talk of this casa. In 2020, it was one of the better places to go. Decent neighborhood. Does anyone have knowledge of its existence.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3059404]I would recommend telling them you have to register them online and asking for a Pic of their ID so send to security. I think they'd be less likely to drug you if they can be directly tied to the incident.

With that said, I'd only to a no security Airbnb if I plan on just using getting my nut then kicking them out. If you plan on casually hanging with them in the apartment and eating / drinking in their presence, just get a place with security in El Poblado. I had a place with a sign at reception saying no prostitution and still had women coming and going. They don't care for the most part as long as you're not causing distractions.[/QUOTE]I always kicked them out. Are you telling me they will stay and hang out? What do they want normally? Booze, food, someplace to sleep? Do they stay a couple hours or the whole night? That sounds awesome as morning sex is my preference. How do I accomplish this? Someone educate me before I waste another trip to Medellin.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3059411]I have always wondered why some guys are willing to spend up to $1,000 a month on rent, yet complain about spending $40 or $50 per session with a girl. It's something I've never understood. You would be surprised how many men I meet who will drop a grand on a luxury apartment in Medellin just to impress people, but then nickel-and-dime when it comes to actual dates or sessions. It completely blindsides me.

One of the biggest lessons I learned from my travels is that no matter where you live in Medellin, you're always within a stone's throw of where you need to be. Whether you're in Poblado, Aranjuez, or Centro, you're still in the same city. Nowhere is so far that you can't get there in a 5 to 15-minute taxi ride. To me, excessive spending on luxury apartments just to impress girls has always been a waste of income. While I always prioritize safety and security, that doesn't mean I need to pay triple the rent to impress someone I might only see once or twice a month. Stay safe and stay alert, PN.[/QUOTE]Men who don't spent a $1000 a month on rent just to impress people. I don't know where you get that idea. They do it to get a comfortable apartment. Up to $1000 a month? That is not a lot to spend to rent an apartment in Poblado at all. Why do they then try not to be spend more than $40 or $50 for a girl? It is the whole mentality of trying not to overpay which is separate from the actual amount. Sometimes they get it in their head that there is a so called going rate that they should pay and they shouldn't pay more. If you're paying only $300 a month for an apartment, I don't know about the quality of that apartment but it's all good.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;3059473]Personally, every time I go to Medellin, I bring as much cash as I can in euros. I usually go to the Unicentro shopping mall.

Inside, there are lots of currency exchange places, so I just check a few and pick the one with the best rate. And honestly, the rates there are unbeatable.

I've exchanged money in Medellin many times, and Unicentro is always my go-to spot. I never use my Visa card, because the exchange rates there are way better than what you get with a card.[/QUOTE]Sorry I disagree, I get a better rate using my Schwab ATM card than cash exchange places, but I usually stay in Poblado if that makes a difference. I get about 5% more cash.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;3059508]Sorry I disagree, I get a better rate using my Schwab ATM card than cash exchange places, but I usually stay in Poblado if that makes a difference. I get about 5% more cash.[/QUOTE]I also have a Schwab debit card. If and when I do return to Medellin, I too will probably stay in Poblado. Which Colombian bank do you prefer these days?

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3059444]Use your ATM card, or get a Schwab debit card. The best ATMS are the Servibanca ATMs as those would give you the most cash per withdrawal.[/QUOTE]It depends. I've found that Schwab works best with a Banccolombia ATM where you can withdraw up to 1. 5 million pesos in one transaction. In theory you can withdraw up to 7 million Pesos from Davivienda but it doesn't like Navy Federal Cards for some reason.

Decline the conversion fee so you get the actual rate and all fees are given back on the 25th to your account on schwab. I understand that AMEX and Fidelity has no foreign transaction fee cards as well.

I also suggest getting a wise, dollar app or Revolut recharageable card. There's fees associated with these cards but if you lose them and the wrong criminal gets ahold of them they can only take what's on your card not empty your account which can happen with most Bank cards.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3059432]I don't usually stay longer than 2 weeks. I always get an apartment (never Poblado) that has an extra room and shower. I stock the shower that girls use with nice soaps and plenty of towels. They love going in there. It makes for better experience. I use a spare room to place my belongings.

I get a nicer place for myself and with some it makes for longer and better experience. I have fucked a lot girls and most them can't wait to come back. It's not me it's nice place and easy money.[/QUOTE]A two bedroom with a locked door is an easy way to chica proof the space. There's portable safes if you don't trust the hotel safe but theyre portable. Generally it's easiest just to get a two bedrrom place with a locked door and keep all belongings there.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

Stopped by Glow with some friends last night. Think this place has changed names a couple of times since my last visit. Wasn't impressed with the talent, but also realize it's Easter and a lot of chicas are with family. Vibe seems similar to Cartagena. Get bottle service for a table. Invite chicas over for a shot to initiate contact. Many dudes were purchasing prepackaged stacks of pesos to make it rain. Seemed to be a high number of middle eastern type dudes in the spot. Not sure if this is the new trend. Also the music was loud and mostly hip hop in English and Spanish. Definitely wasn't my vibe, but I'm glad I took the opportunity to see how things are since I rarely go to Lleras. For Newbies, I think it would be a lot of fun. I did this kind of stuff in Sosua years ago in a much better vibe.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3059512]I also suggest getting a wise, dollar app or Revolut recharageable card. There's fees associated with these cards but if you lose them and the wrong criminal gets ahold of them they can only take what's on your card not empty your account which can happen with most Bank cards.[/QUOTE]I am able to lock all of my cards, including my Schwab debit card, to where they can only be used to withdraw funds if and when I personally unlock them. I keep my debit cards locked, and only open them when I want to withdraw some cash. Once I get my money, the card gets locked again immediately, preventing some crook from cleaning out my account. The lock feature is one that I love, and I make use of it without fail. Everybody else should too. It's a free feature designed to protect you and your money. No reason not to. Just remember that you have your account locked before you attempt to withdraw any cash. When I first started using the feature, I had my Schwab account locked for a long time, and I had forgotten I had locked it. Wondered what the hell was going on, and ended up calling the bank, which advised that I had locked the account. Well, at least that proved to me that it works LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;3059510]I also have a Schwab debit card. If and when I do return to Medellin, I too will probably stay in Poblado. Which Colombian bank do you prefer these days?[/QUOTE]I use Davienda, allow 2 million pesos per draw. Santa Fe Mall is good & safe to use cause many people around. Decline conversion rate.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3059535]I am able to lock all of my cards, including my Schwab debit card, to where they can only be used to withdraw funds if and when I personally unlock them. I keep my debit cards locked, and only open them when I want to withdraw some cash. Once I get my money, the card gets locked again immediately, preventing some crook from cleaning out my account. The lock feature is one that I love, and I make use of it without fail. Everybody else should too. It's a free feature designed to protect you and your money. No reason not to. Just remember that you have your account locked before you attempt to withdraw any cash. When I first started using the feature, I had my Schwab account locked for a long time, and I had forgotten I had locked it. Wondered what the hell was going on, and ended up calling the bank, which advised that I had locked the account. Well, at least that proved to me that it works LOL![/QUOTE]Correcto. I've been lazy since being in Colombia for 5 years without incident. But yes Lockdown your ATM cards you can do it on the app in the same place that you tell them that you're going to Colombia.

Pro Tip as Husker Dude said use a ATM attached to a Bank and even better to do it at a Mall in the same location at the same time. Getting Two million out is 500 bucks You use credit cards for all major non Pussy purchases and even if you're a high roller It's kinda hard to spend 500 USD a day solely on pussy and I know some degenerates.

You can also get alerts on spending on the card by text or email and a check of your balance and statements should track your money.

Anything non Pussy or Party favor related should be paid by credit Credit card companies have no problem reimbursing you if you do lose your card.

One other reason to go with Schwab they mail cards to whereever you are free of charge. It will take a few days even thought they overnight it but you can get a new card in a jam.

Chase has a feature where if you lose your credit card you can lock it down while still being able to use it through the app or on Apple or G pay.

I reccommend that someone staying more than two weeks to have two debit cards and two credit cards one of each that remains in the safe.

Better safe than sorry.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3059280]On my first visit I stayed at an Airbnb with no reception, just a private apartment in Manila. I really enjoyed the privacy, and the quiet location. Chicas came, chicas went, no questions.
1. With the whole scopolamine thing, is it really so prevalent and risky to justify staying someplace with a front desk that checks the girl's ID?
2. Does getting the woman's ID actually make you safer?
3. Or is checking your chica in at reception really not a big deal and I just need to get over it? Do the chica's mind?
Thanks guys your experience is valued.[/QUOTE]My whole approach from 2012-2022 (when I was scoped, actually probably ketamine) was to get rentals without porteros in places like Manila, Conquistadores, and broader Laureles. I wasn't doing more than 1-2 a day, but still like to have my privacy. I don't go anymore, but I think you're fine as long as you only drink beers that you directly open. Even if you have mixed drinks these girls can get something in there!

A Portero that has her ID is an even greater deterrent, but given all of the 'sex tourist' stuff these days it may hamper your style. Just what I think.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3059078]You can hide your friends on Facebook. Wouldn't that solve the problem on that particular platform? I don't use Facebook to find girls, but if I did, then hiding my friend list would be an absolute must. I keep my "normal' and my mongering lives completely separate, and never the two shall meet![/QUOTE]Yes you can, but I like friends of mine from various parts of my 'normal' ife to see things and make connections. I've lived in several different cities and been to college 3 x, plus lived outside of the USA Hiding all of those friends would be a bit much for me. It is literally 4-5k people. My Medellin list was ~1k when I stopped in 2022.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3059510]I also have a Schwab debit card. If and when I do return to Medellin, I too will probably stay in Poblado. Which Colombian bank do you prefer these days?[/QUOTE]The best for the most cash and lowest fee is Servibanca, there is one inside the Exito, but there is one super hidden inside of a pharmacy in Provenza.

[URL]https://www.servibanca.com.co/cajeros[/URL]

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3059579]The best for the most cash and lowest fee is Servibanca, there is one inside the Exito, but there is one super hidden inside of a pharmacy in Provenza.

[URL]https://www.servibanca.com.co/cajeros[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, that is a lot of discussion about ATMs and money. It's not that difficult. I would agree that Servibanca and Davivienda are the two best bank ATMs. They both allow you to withdraw 2,000,000 pesos in one transaction and the fee is basically the same, about 26 mil or so. Like others have indicated, the Charles Schwab debit card will reimburse you for the bank fees so I don't worry that much about bank fees. The other banks tend to have a lower amount in the range of 600 mil or less but there may be other banks with similar limits. If you are seeing chicas, you definitely have to have cash because they is what they want.

I don't lock down my card because it is too much of a hassle but it would be an extra level of safety.

Using the credit card for eating out and shopping would work for the most part. I generally don't take my credit card outside unless I plan on using it because losing your credit card is a big deal. You definitely have to report it quickly so you should have the telephone number of the CC company written down somewhere.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3059579]The best for the most cash and lowest fee is Servibanca, there is one inside the Exito, but there is one super hidden inside of a pharmacy in Provenza.
[/QUOTE]Davivienda and Servibanca each charge the same ATM fee, 26,000 COP. They both allow 2 million withdrawal per transaction. In my experience, Servibanca only dispenses 100 mil notes when getting 2 million. Davivienda almost always dispenses a mixture of 100, 50, 20 and 10 notes. Also, Davivienda has many more ATM's than Servibanca, and most of them are attached to a branch bank. I think Servibanca only has ATM's, no branches. Last year, Servibanca ATM fees were less, but not now.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3059504]Men who don't spent a $1000 a month on rent just to impress people. I don't know where you get that idea. They do it to get a comfortable apartment. Up to $1000 a month? That is not a lot to spend to rent an apartment in Poblado at all. Why do they then try not to be spend more than $40 or $50 for a girl? It is the whole mentality of trying not to overpay which is separate from the actual amount. Sometimes they get it in their head that there is a so called going rate that they should pay and they shouldn't pay more. If you're paying only $300 a month for an apartment, I don't know about the quality of that apartment but it's all good.[/QUOTE]Many of us will always say it is each individual's money. I have just always found it strange that a person would pay for such a nice apartment or a high-end place to live, yet be very fickle about spending money on girls or entertainment—whatever floats your boat, floats your boat remember it's always " your finances. " I've always thought that was extremely strange in that behavior.

​One thing I notice is that they speak the same Spanish in Poblado that they speak in Centro, Buenos Aires, or Aranjuez. I won't spend extra money to be in Poblado just to say it's 'comfortable and nice. ' I can be comfortable in any neighborhood; therefore, I will always find a place where I feel at home without needing to spend the most to achieve comfort or safety. I take my precautions, I do what I need to do, and I find the best bargain I can for mi plata! That's all I'm saying. " PN!

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3059648]Davivienda and Servibanca each charge the same ATM fee, 26,000 COP. They both allow 2 million withdrawal per transaction. In my experience, Servibanca only dispenses 100 mil notes when getting 2 million. Davivienda almost always dispenses a mixture of 100, 50, 20 and 10 notes. Also, Davivienda has many more ATM's than Servibanca, and most of them are attached to a branch bank. I think Servibanca only has ATM's, no branches. Last year, Servibanca ATM fees were less, but not now.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up, yes this was based on last year experience. I haven't tried Davivienda yet, I had easy access to servibanca as there is one in Lleras park LOL.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3059701]Thanks for the heads up, yes this was based on last year experience. I haven't tried Davivienda yet, I had easy access to servibanca as there is one in Lleras park LOL.[/QUOTE]Where is that servibanca in Lleras park? I have been several times to PL but never saw a ATM like that. I always had to walk like 5 minutes to an ATM outside of Lleras Park. I couldn't find anything closer but curious on this as it will save me time as it sounds like it is in the park?

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3059712]Where is that servibanca in Lleras park? I have been several times to PL but never saw a ATM like that. I always had to walk like 5 minutes to an ATM outside of Lleras Park. I couldn't find anything closer but curious on this as it will save me time as it sounds like it is in the park?[/QUOTE]It is not on google maps or anywhere, I found it by mistake while buying water at a pharmacy (it is inside of the pharmacy). There is a tiny pharmacy called "Drogueria y Minimarket Pura", it is right next to Pergamino cafe.

PS
The hooter's in Llleras Park have some hotties lol

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3059714]It is not on google maps or anywhere, I found it by mistake while buying water at a pharmacy (it is inside of the pharmacy). There is a tiny pharmacy called "Drogueria y Minimarket Pura", it is right next to Pergamino cafe.

PS
The hooter's in Llleras Park have some hotties lol[/QUOTE]Okay I did hear a pharmacy does have it I will check it out next time I go. And yes hooters does have many hotties but to me I am lazy and will go to an easier option smash and dash.

Personally there's nothing like a comfortable home. Entertainment comes with nice livingroom, big tv, space, even a nice view. King, queen bed that's nicely made. Attractive bathroom. You have rewarded yourself. The most important being. But some guys lose themselves when it comes to p $$$why and will live anywhere to offset the money they are willing to spend for companionship / p$$$y. The mindset of that guy who prefers a nice apartment is women I am first / you got to earn my money. You not going to quote a price and expect me to pay it. I am not going to overpay your ass. You got lots of fools willing and able to do that LOL. Just my thoughts LOL. Shots fiyad as we would say in my neighborhood.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3059660]Many of us will always say it is each individual's money. I have just always found it strange that a person would pay for such a nice apartment or a high-end place to live, yet be very fickle about spending money on girls or entertainment whatever floats your boat, floats your boat remember it's always " your finances. " I've always thought that was extremely strange in that behavior.

​One thing I notice is that they speak the same Spanish in Poblado that they speak in Centro, Buenos Aires, or Aranjuez. I won't spend extra money to be in Poblado just to say it's 'comfortable and nice. ' I can be comfortable in any neighborhood; therefore, I will always find a place where I feel at home without needing to spend the most to achieve comfort or safety. I take my precautions, I do what I need to do, and I find the best bargain I can for mi plata! That's all I'm saying. " PN![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;3059720]Personally there's nothing like a comfortable home. Entertainment comes with nice livingroom, big tv, space, even a nice view. King, queen bed that's nicely made. Attractive bathroom. You have rewarded yourself. The most important being. But some guys lose themselves when it comes to p $$$why and will live anywhere to offset the money they are willing to spend for companionship / p$$$y. The mindset of that guy who prefers a nice apartment is women I am first / you got to earn my money. You not going to quote a price and expect me to pay it. I am not going to overpay your ass. You got lots of fools willing and able to do that LOL. Just my thoughts LOL. Shots fiyad as we would say in my neighborhood.[/QUOTE]The place that I live in Medellin is extremely nice. It is as nice as the home live in when I'm in America and much larger than the home that I live in when I'm in America. I make sure that I equip the home with as many of American amenities as I can, because I don't want to have to leave my home and search all day for items in a grocery store or around Medellin, when I can just ship them to my place. On the other hand, I'm not going to haggle or wrestle with a woman about a price that she's requesting for her services. If I'm not happy with the price of services then I just turned the services down, but I'm not going to haggle with someone Simply because I've already set standard. I'm going to make the most of the place that I live in Colombia because it's mine & it is paid for. I don't have to spend another penny in it If I choose not to upgrade it any further. On the same token I'm not going to have a nice home here in Medellin and haggle with women over a 40 or $50 fee for seeing them for 2 to 4 hours.

As I've grown older, life has taught me a lot about people—specifically, how their behavior and lifestyle align with me. When something doesn't add up, I simply remove myself from the equation. I know a dog shouldn't purr like a cat, and a cat shouldn't bark like a dog. That's all I'm going to say about that. PN.

Finally got a chance to see what all the hype is about with this place. It's Semana Santa so the lineup was light, as they only had 8 chicas on duty but the talent was very nice. A couple of spinners, different colors, big bootey, etc. The host told us that there is usually at least 25 or more chicas available. The facility is nice with space to chill out and drink, socialize with the chicas, take a dip in the pool or jacuzzi or there is even a party room with a pole. They told us there are 2 price levels (reminded me of Doctor Amor) some chicas are 550,000 and others are 650,000. I took a few pics of the facility and also their business card, in case anyone is interested.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3059850]Finally got a chance to see what all the hype is about with this place. It's Semana Santa so the lineup was light, as they only had 8 chicas on duty but the talent was very nice. A couple of spinners, different colors, big bootey, etc. The host told us that there is usually at least 25 or more chicas available. The facility is nice with space to chill out and drink, socialize with the chicas, take a dip in the pool or jacuzzi or there is even a party room with a pole. They told us there are 2 price levels (reminded me of Doctor Amor) some chicas are 550,000 and others are 650,000. I took a few pics of the facility and also their business card, in case anyone is interested.[/QUOTE]Was there an entry fee? Are they open 24/7? Do you bring a backpack with your suit to go in pool / jacuzzi? Was there other guys there or was it mostly to yourself? I have never been to an FKKK? But is this kinda like that? Was there a restaraunt on site?

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3059851]Was there an entry fee? Are they open 24/7? Do you bring a backpack with your suit to go in pool / jacuzzi? Was there other guys there or was it mostly to yourself? I have never been to an FKKK? But is this kinda like that? Was there a restaraunt on site?[/QUOTE]No entry fee. I only ordered drinks so not sure about food. I saw a few other guys besides my group, but not many during the holiday. Not sure about the pool, if you need a bathing suit or not. You can check out their website I think it's on their card. I haven't looked at the website yet. You might also be able to contact them and inquire about those questions as well as the girls. The host and some of the girls spoke some English. The host actually spoke very well. Looks like they are also on FB/Insta. Also, was no kind of pressure to take a chica.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3059853]No entry fee. I only ordered drinks so not sure about food. I saw a few other guys besides my group, but not many during the holiday. Not sure about the pool, if you need a bathing suit or not. You can check out their website I think it's on their card. I haven't looked at the website yet. You might also be able to contact them and inquire about those questions as well as the girls. The host and some of the girls spoke some English. The host actually spoke very well. Looks like they are also on FB/Insta. Also, was no kind of pressure to take a chica.[/QUOTE]Why didn't you take a girl?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3059868]Why didn't you take a girl?[/QUOTE]I had a girl coming over to my place later in the evening. I had dinner with some buddies so we stopped through there afterwards to have a few drinks and check out the spot. One of the guys did take a girl. Haven't spoken to him because he flew to Punta Cana the very next day.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3059871]I had a girl coming over to my place later in the evening. I had dinner with some buddies so we stopped through there afterwards to have a few drinks and check out the spot. One of the guys did take a girl. Haven't spoken to him because he flew to Punta Cana the very next day.[/QUOTE]The place look interesting, but I wouldn't get in that pool myself.

How is the quality compared to La Isla?

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3059874]The place look interesting, but I wouldn't get in that pool myself.

How is the quality compared to La Isla?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to La Isla in about 10 years, but one of my buddies said the women at La Isla are more attractive.

That's a great deal $50 for 2 to 4 hrs. That changes the scope of debate. You are winning. To add to that. When a girl comes to my place the hourly rate never seems to apply. Who the hell started this hourly rate shit in a foreign country. I had one girl in Sosua say oh shit I been here for 3 hours. She lost sight of the time. It was first nut or when you both felt done with each other when the game started. These 30 minute, 1 hour guys done messed up the game. Anyhow question. Few nices one trying to get 400-500 k. Will that hold when I land in Medellin. Remember I was called the Gusto king for getting low rates LOL. I can't spend big money like chatbot. I think that's is name. LOL

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3059816]The place that I live in Medellin is extremely nice. It is as nice as the home live in when I'm in America and much larger than the home that I live in when I'm in America. I make sure that I equip the home with as many of American amenities as I can, because I don't want to have to leave my home and search all day for items in a grocery store or around Medellin, when I can just ship them to my place. On the other hand, I'm not going to haggle or wrestle with a woman about a price that she's requesting for her services. If I'm not happy with the price of services then I just turned the services down, but I'm not going to haggle with someone Simply because I've already set standard. I'm going to make the most of the place that I live in Colombia because it's mine & it is paid for. I don't have to spend another penny in it If I choose not to upgrade it any further. On the same token I'm not going to have a nice home here in Medellin and haggle with women over a 40 or $50 fee for seeing them for 2 to 4 hours.

As I've grown older, life has taught me a lot about peoplespecifically, how their behavior and lifestyle align with me. When something doesn't add up, I simply remove myself from the equation. I know a dog shouldn't purr like a cat, and a cat shouldn't bark like a dog. That's all I'm going to say about that. PN.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Blakman;3060115]That's a great deal $50 for 2 to 4 hrs. That changes the scope of debate. You are winning. To add to that. When a girl comes to my place the hourly rate never seems to apply. Who the hell started this hourly rate shit in a foreign country. I had one girl in Sosua say oh shit I been here for 3 hours. She lost sight of the time. It was first nut or when you both felt done with each other when the game started. These 30 minute, 1 hour guys done messed up the game. Anyhow question. Few nices one trying to get 400-500 k. Will that hold when I land in Medellin. Remember I was called the Gusto king for getting low rates LOL. I can't spend big money like chatbot. I think that's is name. LOL.[/QUOTE]Based on my observations in Medellin, a significant attraction for local women is the availability of hot water. Since many do not have this luxury at home, they tend to spend a considerable amount of time in the shower when visiting an apartment that has it. This contrast is striking because their own homes often lack heated water. Regarding current rates in Colombia, a budget of 400,000 to 500,000 pesos is generally sufficient for a two-to-four-hour encounter. PN.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060139]Based on my observations in Medellin, a significant attraction for local women is the availability of hot water. Since many do not have this luxury at home, they tend to spend a considerable amount of time in the shower when visiting an apartment that has it. This contrast is striking because their own homes often lack heated water. Regarding current rates in Colombia, a budget of 400,000 to 500,000 pesos is generally sufficient for a two-to-four-hour encounter. PN.[/QUOTE]I just started the haggling process with girls I met on tinder even though I won't actually be in Medellin until the 11th just to see what prices are. I'm being quoted 400 to 500 but they are coming down to 350 pretty fast and I'm guessing will accept 300. I'll let you know.

What prices are people getting for tinder / snap / FB girls vs. Lleras venecas? I don't want to start a debate about what you should pay, can pay, willing to pay ect. Simply question is, what's the lowest you can pay. Yes, I'm one of those that will haggle, no I'm not ashamed of it and don't care what other guys think.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3060179]I just started the haggling process with girls I met on tinder even though I won't actually be in Medellin until the 11th just to see what prices are. I'm being quoted 400 to 500 but they are coming down to 350 pretty fast and I'm guessing will accept 300. I'll let you know.

What prices are people getting for tinder / snap / FB girls vs. Lleras venecas? I don't want to start a debate about what you should pay, can pay, willing to pay ect. Simply question is, what's the lowest you can pay. Yes, I'm one of those that will haggle, no I'm not ashamed of it and don't care what other guys think.[/QUOTE]You set the price and the girl accepts or rejects. I'm sure if I was Gusto's it would be hard to get the prices I get in Cali but not impossible. Granted with a guy on a time hack of a short vacation you might pay more to save time. I met a girl that worked at the Mansion on facebook I was with other guys and on a time hack so I gave her 300 K.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

Well in Medellin when I book girls from Facebook or Insta or Tinder, usually I pay 300. But I can pay 400 because I want fuck them bareback! For example, last week for the last night I was in Medellin, I was speaking for few days with a sexy lady from Facebook who was 22 and she wanted 300 and I told her OK because she was very sexy. And directly I asked her if I can fuck her without condom because I don't like condoms. Then she asked me 500 instead of 300. And finally she agree for 400 TAXI included. I got a great time with her!

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3060278]You set the price and the girl accepts or rejects. I'm sure if I was Gusto's it would be hard to get the prices I get in Cali but not impossible. Granted with a guy on a time hack of a short vacation you might pay more to save time. I met a girl that worked at the Mansion on facebook I was with other guys and on a time hack so I gave her 300 K..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gilolo;3060284]Well in Medellin when I book girls from Facebook or Insta or Tinder, usually I pay 300. But I can pay 400 because I want fuck them bareback! For example, last week for the last night I was in Medellin, I was speaking for few days with a sexy lady from Facebook who was 22 and she wanted 300 and I told her OK because she was very sexy. And directly I asked her if I can fuck her without condom because I don't like condoms. Then she asked me 500 instead of 300. And finally she agree for 400 TAXI included. I got a great time with her![/QUOTE]I like your style!

All good knowledge. Thank you for sharing. I have changed my approach from asking the girl what she charges to me making the offer.

Did anyone know if Venezuelan spinners can still be found near Lleras and what the rate is there?

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3060340]All good knowledge. Thank you for sharing. I have changed my approach from asking the girl what she charges to me making the offer.

Did anyone know if Venezuelan spinners can still be found near Lleras and what the rate is there?

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Making the first offer versus asking how much doesn't really matter. For example, if the girl asks for 400 mil and you counter with 250 mil, it is about the same as you offering 250 mil and the girl countering with 400 mil. In both cases, you try to work out a number that works for both sides. There is also other factors that affect the price such as how many shots, how long she will stay, the type of sex and so on. There is no one going rate price for all girls. Each girl is different and each girl has a different price that she is willing to accept. Flexibility is the key.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3060362]Making the first offer versus asking how much doesn't really matter. For example, if the girl asks for 400 mil and you counter with 250 mil, it is about the same as you offering 250 mil and the girl countering with 400 mil. In both cases, you try to work out a number that works for both sides. There is also other factors that affect the price such as how many shots, how long she will stay, the type of sex and so on. There is no one going rate price for all girls. Each girl is different and each girl has a different price that she is willing to accept. Flexibility is the key.[/QUOTE]Good points and the price negotiation isn't separate from the services negotiation. Want an extra 100 mil COP, then lose the condom for everything. If they won't come down to your acceptable number, see if you can add services or time that make it attractive. But always remember, you're in an abundance economy, not a scarcity economy.

[QUOTE=RedKing18;3060179]I just started the haggling process with girls I met on tinder even though I won't actually be in Medellin until the 11th just to see what prices are. I'm being quoted 400 to 500 but they are coming down to 350 pretty fast and I'm guessing will accept 300. I'll let you know.

What prices are people getting for tinder / snap / FB girls vs. Lleras venecas? I don't want to start a debate about what you should pay, can pay, willing to pay ect. Simply question is, what's the lowest you can pay. Yes, I'm one of those that will haggle, no I'm not ashamed of it and don't care what other guys think.[/QUOTE]A word of advice, try to stay away from the tinder girls, they are the ones usually drugging tourists. You find much hotter freelancers in clubs, lleras park and bars, etc.
I would say knowing Spanish would give you an edge while negotiating with the girls, try to build rapport, take their numbers to negotiate at a later time if you really like them.

Here is another perspective. I don't negotiate time, because if we are not having fun, I don't want her to stay. I don't negotiate specific services, because if she does not want to do it, I won't enjoy it. I don't talk about condoms. So my approach is, do you want to come back to my place for sex for X amount of money? I do not negotiate from X amount. I speak fluent Spanish, I know to treat a hooker like a lady and a lady like a hooker, and I am in decent shape and jolly. If she says no, I say okay, maybe next time. If she says yes, I say, just know I always pay afterwards. If that leads to hesitation, I say I can show them the money so they know I am not wasting their time. If they say no, I say 'nice chatting with you, suerte. ' Many have said yes over the years and I get better sex when I let them do what they like to do vs wanting them to perform specific acts. As far as condoms go, I proceed without until and unless she puts one on me. Obviously this works better if you are clean and well groomed and either have a decent apartment or take them to a fairly nice love hotel. Everybody is different but I just advise guys not to get fixated on certain body types or certain needs and to just go with the flow. Obviously Spanish helps a lot and experience and being able to judge character do too.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060139]Based on my observations in Medellin, a significant attraction for local women is the availability of hot water. Since many do not have this luxury at home, they tend to spend a considerable amount of time in the shower when visiting an apartment that has it. This contrast is striking because their own homes often lack heated water. Regarding current rates in Colombia, a budget of 400,000 to 500,000 pesos is generally sufficient for a two-to-four-hour encounter. PN.[/QUOTE]I lived in an apartment where the water heater did not work. Did not care to have it fixed, so for 2 years I lived by heating a water in a medium saucepan, mix it with a bucket of water, take the bucket to the shower and use a water ladle to scoop water and pour on my body to wash and rinse. Probably 60% of the world uses this method.

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;3060398]I lived in an apartment where the water heater did not work. Did not care to have it fixed, so for 2 years I lived by heating a water in a medium saucepan, mix it with a bucket of water, take the bucket to the shower and use a water ladle to scoop water and pour on my body to wash and rinse. Probably 60% of the world uses this method.[/QUOTE]I think this is exactly the point PolloNegro is making. Being able to just go into a shower and enjoy hot water is a luxury for most of these chicas. They recognize this and enjoy it as much as they can. If you have one of those shower heads where you don't ever want to get out of the shower, even better. Same with having a jacuzzi in your spot.

Lleras and El Centro were much different back then. The Mansion was a good option.

[URL]https://youtu.be/vfjw28fSVfI?si=mmbrs-kn8VY7L6MK[/URL]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3060362]Making the first offer versus asking how much doesn't really matter. ...... Each girl is different and each girl has a different price that she is willing to accept. Flexibility is the key.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with MoonShot and go with the flow. Perhaps of interest, this from a Harvard Business School Blog on who should make the first offer in a price negotiation, the buyer or the seller?

"Abundant research on the anchoring effect, documented by psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, shows that the first offer made in a negotiation serves as an anchor that has a strong effect on the final price. For this reason, negotiators are often advised to try to engage in price anchoring by making the first offer. " But the blog then goes on to discuss exceptions based on the respective market knowledge of the parties.

This is generally how I get to "Yes" with a lady of choice.

Once I've made a date with a chica (whether we have met online, in a club, or in Parque Lleras) and we've now moved on to WhatsApp to communicate the details, I write something, to the effect: "Meanwhile: let's agree on the mutual benefits. Pleasures in the sack for me. A generous gift for you." I then describe in detail what I expect in the way of services (DFK, BBBJ, often bareback), add that of course, going bare assumes good hygiene and I have STD tests, and hope all the above is agreeable. I then leave it up to the chica on how to reply.

At this point a few chicas drop out, insisting on doing everything covered. Of those who agree with my requests, I'd estimate one third respond immediately with a price demand of their own (often highlighting a premium for BBBJ and / or bareback), one third will answer, "Bien, amor" but ask me to say how much I'll pay, and one third just agree and leave it up to me to bring up price again. Most will accept what I offer or negotiate but a few of the super hottest chicks clearly can get their asking price, unreasonable as it may sound, be it even in the 500 to 800 range for bareback--take it or leave it amigo. I will almost always take a pass in such cases, but (for a genuine supermodel Victoria Secret quality chica), her pricing may actually be reasonable and market based. These are the same ladies who would be asking (and getting) $1000 to 2000/ hour on escort sites in the US (especially if positively reviewed for looks and performance).

In respect to time, at my age, being a one shot guy, I write something like, "At least one hour to laugh and converse together without looking at the clock. " If the chica proves sociable at all, she'll end up hanging out for another half hour or hour after sex--usually more than enough pleasant but inane conversation for me. That said there are some chicas who are great in bed but have no conversational skill / interest, and I'm just as happy to have them leave after the deed is done.

In sum, many paths to YES.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3060390]Everybody is different but I just advise guys not to get fixated on certain body types or certain needs and to just go with the flow.[/QUOTE]How do they do that when they have seen so much fake shit on porno movies, like them squirting a pint of pina colada mix in a chick's mouth? Same as when I was a kid and could not wait to try moves like the figure 4 leg lock or the camel clutch, not realizing the whole thing was fake.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3060452]I tend to agree with MoonShot and go with the flow. Perhaps of interest, this from a Harvard Business School Blog on who should make the first offer in a price negotiation, the buyer or the seller?

"Abundant research on the anchoring effect, documented by psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, shows that the first offer made in a negotiation serves as an anchor that has a strong effect on the final price. For this reason, negotiators are often advised to try to engage in price anchoring by making the first offer. " But the blog then goes on to discuss exceptions based on the respective market knowledge of the parties.

This is generally how I get to "Yes" with a lady of choice.

Once I've made a date with a chica (whether we have met online, in a club, or in Parque Lleras) and we've now moved on to WhatsApp to communicate the details, I write something, to the effect: "Meanwhile: let's agree on the mutual benefits. Pleasures in the sack for me. A generous gift for you." I then describe in detail what I expect in the way of services (DFK, BBBJ, often bareback), add that of course, going bare assumes good hygiene and I have STD tests, and hope all the above is agreeable. I then leave it up to the chica on how to reply.[/QUOTE]Often, when I ask how much, the girl will say how much will you offer, throwing it back to me. I often but not always like to ask how much to get a sense of how entitled she thinks she is. If she is going to ask for 800 mil, then it is unlikely that we will reach an agreement. If she is going to ask for a little more than I am willing to pay, then it is likely we can reach a deal.

Now there is the question of whether you should give a low ball offer first and then raise it in response to her howls of protest. I generally will give a reasonable offer that should be acceptable to many but not all, and give myself 100 mil room if she is worth that amount. There are times when the girl is in a dire financial situation and I could really drive down the price but I don't do that even though I could. I have enough money so I don't feel the need to go down to the lowest possible price that she would be willing to take under the circumstances.

There are also times when the girl says no to your final offer and then 2-3 weeks later or more, she will say yes. I have had girls come back to me on the next trip after a few months and then say yes so no reason to insult the girl or make snide comments when she is holding out for more money. Just be nice about it and you never know. I.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3060443]I think this is exactly the point PolloNegro is making. Being able to just go into a shower and enjoy hot water is a luxury for most of these chicas. They recognize this and enjoy it as much as they can. If you have one of those shower heads where you don't ever want to get out of the shower, even better. Same with having a jacuzzi in your spot.[/QUOTE]This explained everything clearly. Thank you so much! PN.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060505]This explained everything clearly. Thank you so much! PN.[/QUOTE]No problem. These chicas love luxuries LOL. [URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/tABEJmGO35c?si=eK5b5Vl2AqYg4ARe[/URL].

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3060362]Making the first offer versus asking how much doesn't really matter. For example, if the girl asks for 400 mil and you counter with 250 mil, it is about the same as you offering 250 mil and the girl countering with 400 mil. In both cases, you try to work out a number that works for both sides. There is also other factors that affect the price such as how many shots, how long she will stay, the type of sex and so on. There is no one going rate price for all girls. Each girl is different and each girl has a different price that she is willing to accept. Flexibility is the key.[/QUOTE]In business, which may be a bit different, making the first offer helps you set the narrative of the negotiation. While I didn't go to Harvard Business School, I did go to one just a couple notches down, and two things stuck with me for that $100 k plus tuition. #1 In negotiations, make the first offer, #2 - There is a tremendous amount of $$ to be made in non-sexy industries (I. E. Trash collection, pesticides, vices, cleaning in general, prostitution? Simply because people don't want to be associated with them.

The above noted, I agree 100% that you should always be flexible, polite, and keep your temper.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3060390]Here is another perspective. I don't negotiate time, because if we are not having fun, I don't want her to stay. I don't negotiate specific services, because if she does not want to do it, I won't enjoy it. I don't talk about condoms. So my approach is, do you want to come back to my place for sex for X amount of money? .... As far as condoms go, I proceed without until and unless she puts one on me.....[/QUOTE]I agree with you on always trying to be clear about paying after. For condom, I also have good hygiene, but some newer or less experienced girls will be taught to use a condom. If you mention it up front I find they are often ambivalent and will do BBBJ, but if you don't mention it beforehand, it's harder to have the convo in the moment. This of course depends a lot on relationship and location. Some of the more 'done up' prima donna girls will also try to do covered blowjob. I've never had a girlfriend try to put on on me, but if I have an online date it will occasionally happen.

According to my mathematical equation. You went from $50 2 to 4 hours to $110-$135 2 hrs. Man which one is it. You are under oath LOL. Now I am trying to get a girl to stay the full day for $100. She has gone as low as 600 k. Which I am still not willing to pay. Actually I am testing if she wants to fuck me slightly or very badly. If the hot water principal was still in effect the cover charge would be a whole lot cheaper. So I disagree with that assessment LOL.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060139]Based on my observations in Medellin, a significant attraction for local women is the availability of hot water. Since many do not have this luxury at home, they tend to spend a considerable amount of time in the shower when visiting an apartment that has it. This contrast is striking because their own homes often lack heated water. Regarding current rates in Colombia, a budget of 400,000 to 500,000 pesos is generally sufficient for a two-to-four-hour encounter. PN.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Blakman;3060584]If the hot water principal was still in effect the cover charge would be a whole lot cheaper. So I disagree with that assessment LOL.[/QUOTE]I disagree as well. Whenever I shower with a chick from a place where hot water is this supposed "luxury", they say the water is too hot and want it to be cold. Same thing with drinks. In a lot if countries they do not fancy putting ice in drinks, so if you give them a drink with ice (how we like it where I come from) they will refuse it. It is their culture to take showers with cold water. They are not seeing the foreign way as a luxury they want. Case in point, when I had a girlfriend in Cali I could not stand the cold showers, so I had a heated shower head put in. The only use it ever got was when I was there using it.

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;3060398]I lived in an apartment where the water heater did not work. Did not care to have it fixed, so for 2 years I lived by heating a water in a medium saucepan, mix it with a bucket of water, take the bucket to the shower and use a water ladle to scoop water and pour on my body to wash and rinse. Probably 60% of the world uses this method.[/QUOTE]To each their own but I think that is absolutely ridiculous. I worked too fucking hard to not have hot water wherever I am staying. I stayed at a place last year that had a broken water heater and the owner told me it would be three days before it would be fixed and he wasn't going to reimburse me a single peso, I left anyway and went to a real nice hotel, I didn't ask for or expect reimbursement, I wanted hot water. My daughter lives in a house in Manizales that has no hot water, I offered to pay to install a hot water heater, the family turned my offer down, stupid. And the tap water in Manizales is ICE cold.

Hot water is non-negotiable for me. I could do without it if I had to but I have no reason or need to do without it.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3060618]To each their own but I think that is absolutely ridiculous. I worked too fucking hard to not have hot water wherever I am staying. I stayed at a place last year that had a broken water heater and the owner told me it would be three days before it would be fixed and he wasn't going to reimburse me a single peso, I left anyway and went to a real nice hotel, I didn't ask for or expect reimbursement, I wanted hot water. My daughter lives in a house in Manizales that has no hot water, I offered to pay to install a hot water heater, the family turned my offer down, stupid. And the tap water in Manizales is ICE cold.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3060525]I agree with you on always trying to be clear about paying after. For condom, I also have good hygiene, but some newer or less experienced girls will be taught to use a condom. If you mention it up front I find they are often ambivalent and will do BBBJ, but if you don't mention it beforehand, it's harder to have the convo in the moment. This of course depends a lot on relationship and location. Some of the more 'done up' prima donna girls will also try to do covered blowjob. I've never had a girlfriend try to put on on me, but if I have an online date it will occasionally happen.[/QUOTE]It's best practices to discuss condoms BEFORE she arrives at your apartment. If it is something you have to have then tell her at that point. Ifvshe says no then move on. You don't want to be arguing this point when they are at your place. It wrecks the experience if you have to debate and argue to resolve the issue.

Hello fellas,

I'm in medellin this weekend and wondering where to go, I'm more fan of casas than go around the street as since I'm foreigner don't want to end up scamed or worse (although I just carry with me some cash no cards and a burner phone with no personal info which I could happy give it away in case I try to get mugged. I heard poblado is better for that but my budget is to have half hour for 80 and hour for 120/150 no more just to try the experience for a couple of days this weekend. Anyways if is in the street. How does it work here? If ypu see a girl in the street she'll bring you to a near hostel, (is a safe walk?) thay's where you pay usually the room and then you pay her upstairs. If I read well el centro is kinda sketchy so I would prefer a casa or even better a piso but the girls in mileroticos some ask money in advance (no go) others I had the experience they arent half good as the pictures are. So if someone has a good contact for independent I will make sure I'll mention you and give a tip as well. You can PM with links or WA numbers if that's something cool you can do to help on my quest.

Cheers rocketeer!

[QUOTE=Rocketeer666;3060656]I'm in medellin this weekend and wondering where to go, I'm more fan of casas than go around the street ... I heard poblado is better for that but my budget is to have half hour for 80 and hour for 120/150 no more just to try the experience for a couple of days this weekend. Anyways if is in the street. How does it work here? If ypu see a girl in the street she'll bring you to a near hostel, (is a safe walk?) thay's where you pay usually the room and then you pay her upstairs.[/QUOTE]The street scene you describe is only happening in El Centro (if you are talking COP, not dollars). You can pick a short-time room or go to the one she suggests. Either one should be safe. Don't be there after dark. The casas in El Centro are within your budget, but other areas cost more. If you pick up someone in or around Parque Lleras or Laureles, you have to take them to your place, either where you are staying or a short-time hotel.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3060584]According to my mathematical equation. You went from $50 2 to 4 hours to $110-$135 2 hrs. Man which one is it. You are under oath LOL. Now I am trying to get a girl to stay the full day for $100. She has gone as low as 600 k. Which I am still not willing to pay. Actually I am testing if she wants to fuck me slightly or very badly. If the hot water principal was still in effect the cover charge would be a whole lot cheaper. So I disagree with that assessment LOL..[/QUOTE]Blakman you must not be reading my posts correctly, on March 8, 2026 I posted this: During my recent trip, I had an unexpected encounter with a contact from years ago. In the past, our arrangements typically ranged between 50,000 and 150,000 COP. However, she was quick to inform me that her professional standing had evolved; her current rates now start at 350,000 and can reach 600,000 COP.

​Curiosity and a bit of nostalgia led me to agree to the new terms. We settled on a total of 400,000 COP for the evening. Despite the significant price increase, her energy was unmatched—so much so that within just over an hour, I realized I had met my limit. Recognizing that I needed to conserve my energy for the rest of my trip, I decided to conclude the session early. I provided her with a 50,000 COP tip for her time and bid her a polite farewell, jokingly admitting that her intensity was more than I could handle for one visit. She knocked my socks off & even more. Have fun my brothers.

With that being said, I still have friends who come over & spend 2-4 hours for $200 k or essentially 50 Bucks, give or take? PN.

In Medellin until Monday. Staying in El Poblado. Anyone want to hit up casas or fase dos let me know.

I saw this on Fay Boo and I tried to find a matching story by googling this lead line but I could not find anything. Anybody else heard about this?

It says: ....."German inadmitted by Migration Colombia after demonstrating intention of tourism for sexual exploitation.

Inconsistencies during the migration interview, itineraries to Cartagena and Medellin and sex toys in their luggage prompted the measure. ".

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/MigracionCol[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3060617]I disagree as well. Whenever I shower with a chick from a place where hot water is this supposed "luxury", they say the water is too hot and want it to be cold. Same thing with drinks. In a lot if countries they do not fancy putting ice in drinks, so if you give them a drink with ice (how we like it where I come from) they will refuse it. It is their culture to take showers with cold water. They are not seeing the foreign way as a luxury they want. Case in point, when I had a girlfriend in Cali I could not stand the cold showers, so I had a heated shower head put in. The only use it ever got was when I was there using it.[/QUOTE]When I first started traveling to Colombia, I decided on a major rule: I won't downgrade my lifestyle just to be with a woman. Regardless of how fun she is or how good the chemistry is, I have standards. If she doesn't have a bed, I'm not sleeping on the floor. If there's no hot water, I'll find a way to get it or we'll go our separate ways. It's simple. I'm honestly amazed at how much people will tolerate just to satisfy a sexual desire. That just isn't going to happen with me! PN.

One of my biggest hang ups about Colombia used to be the condiments. Every time I visited, the thing that bothered me most was that despite the wonderful food, I couldn't find the right flavors to go with it. The salad dressings and steak sauces tasted different, and they'd often offer honey instead of syrup. When you're accustomed to a specific taste, that's what you want.

​I vowed that for any extended stay, I'd ship everything to my home here in advance. I didn't want to be in this beautiful country with an excellent steak but no A1 sauce—especially since American brands are priced astronomically here. Having those familiar comforts makes the stay so much better. I love southern food and I love to cook, so I enjoy making meals for the people I'm with and sharing those authentic American flavors. By shipping my favorite products months ahead of time, I skip the store hunt entirely. Since the eggs, meat, and poultry are so affordable here, I can make hot wings, steaks, or pasta that taste exactly like home, all while enjoying life in one of the most beautiful places in the world."

Everyone has their non-negotiables. While some are comfortable boiling water for a bath—noting that much of the world lives this way—I have never been one of them. As a middle-aged man, I have no desire to bathe with a warm pot when I can install a showerhead for on-demand hot water. Similarly, while others can go months without specific foods or comforts, those details are essential for me. To stay away for six to eight months, I need to feel like I'm truly at home! Is it too much to have A1 Syrup Hoecakes &A ton of eggs daily for breakfast? PN.

I have a nice young lady willing to travel from afar in Colombia to come to Medellin. I made it perfectly clear that I can only pay $100 for full day. She pushed for 600 k but at first she pushed for 2 mil LOL. She also has interest in a threesome. I do have my reservation cause she has that fast thinking syndrome. She keeps pushing for when will you arrive. I made it clear that I don't want her visit to be dependent on me. Lately everything has been yes yes yes yes. I will do this that. I don't want to have my short stay ruined on the other hand if it works could be a fantastic trip. She says she loves sex. What yall experience guys think I should do? I had three multiple days experience in Colombia. The Gusto girl was great, another girl was great, and then a tinder girl that's great for short stay but ruined my birthday for long stay.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060804]When I first started traveling to Colombia, I decided on a major rule: I won't downgrade my lifestyle just to be with a woman. Regardless of how fun she is or how good the chemistry is, I have standards. If she doesn't have a bed, I'm not sleeping on the floor. If there's no hot water, I'll find a way to get it or we'll go our separate ways. It's simple. I'm honestly amazed at how much people will tolerate just to satisfy a sexual desire. That just isn't going to happen with me! PN.[/QUOTE]I do not tolerate shit. If I am with a chick and will be staying at her place, then I make it comfortable for me. Thing is that it seems [B]many guys think our comfort is their comfort, which it is not[/B]. That is an ethnocentric way of thinking.

The same girlfriend in Cali, when it was Christmas time I went to Brandsmart and bought a bunch of kitchen gadgets for $10 each. Electric can opener, hand mixer, and shit like that. Stuff that we see as making our lives easier. She never used any of that stuff. Her bed was literally a box spring with plywood on top. I had to sleep on top of pillows and folded up blankets trying to make it softer while she slept like a baby on that hard ass shit. She would not let me buy a mattress because she liked her bed that way.

I have bought several beds for girlfriends whose bed I did not find comfortable. My main girlfriend in Brazil, in addition to a new bed, I bought a fan for every room in the house, because carrying one fan from room to room does not work for me. I saw the tires on her car were bad so I insisted we immediately go buy a set. She would always want to use my phone to take pictures so one day I asked why she does not use her own phone to take pictures. She said it was really old and did not take good pictures. I saw it was an old ass IPhone, probably the one after the original. We immediately went to the store and I bought her a Samsung A55, which was the best they had to offer in the country part of Brazil. I spend money on girlfriends when I see they need something or when it will make me more comfortable. I do not spend money when chicks are telling me buy me this or that.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3060802]I saw this on Fay Boo and I tried to find a matching story by googling this lead line but I could not find anything. Anybody else heard about this?

It says: ....."German inadmitted by Migration Colombia after demonstrating intention of tourism for sexual exploitation.

Inconsistencies during the migration interview, itineraries to Cartagena and Medellin and sex toys in their luggage prompted the measure. ".

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/MigracionCol[/URL][/QUOTE]Show the other pics as well. He was clearly into some freaky perv deviant shit, was there to bang underaged girls, and got caught red-handed.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3060802]I saw this on Fay Boo and I tried to find a matching story by googling this lead line but I could not find anything. Anybody else heard about this?

It says: ....."German inadmitted by Migration Colombia after demonstrating intention of tourism for sexual exploitation.

Inconsistencies during the migration interview, itineraries to Cartagena and Medellin and sex toys in their luggage prompted the measure. ".

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/MigracionCol[/URL][/QUOTE]I can't believe idiots are still takin sex toys to other countries. But it's the interactions and interviews that seem to be catching men up. Just give the Airbnb addresses and keep it moving.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060807]One of my biggest hang ups about Colombia used to be the condiments. Every time I visited, the thing that bothered me most was that despite the wonderful food, I couldn't find the right flavors to go with it. The salad dressings and steak sauces tasted different, and they'd often offer honey instead of syrup. When you're accustomed to a specific taste, that's what you want..[/QUOTE]Same same. The Colombians cook their potatoes chicken and beef or fish perfectly fine its the way they like it and serve it. Someone said he brings small containers of home brought ketchup, bbq bbq sauce and hot sauces like sriracha and tobasco in a fanny pack to the modest sit down restaurants. This turns a bandeja paisa plate into a gourmet meal.

[QUOTE=Bill;3060868]Same same. The Colombians cook their potatoes chicken and beef or fish perfectly fine its the way they like it and serve it. Someone said he brings small containers of home brought ketchup, bbq bbq sauce and hot sauces like sriracha and tobasco in a fanny pack to the modest sit down restaurants. This turns a bandeja paisa plate into a gourmet meal.[/QUOTE]This got a LOL from me. You know when Americans group Latinas together it is often a mistake. When heading for Mexican or Asian fare, I cannot even comment to my gal on how spicy a food is. What is a one or two for me in spiciness will have her face turning red.

It reminds me of the Hot Wings episode with Bill Murray when his costar Pete Davidson came on to eat the last spicy wing with Murray. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUyryfKyQgU[/URL]

Go to the 16 minute mark and watch it. My gal is like Davidson and I am like Murray, and I suspect you are as well. Hell, most Mexicans are like Murray and most Colombians are like Davidson.

You make a good point. It may be the lack of spices that makes so much of Colombian cuisine so lame.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060807] The salad dressings and steak sauces tasted different, and they'd often offer honey instead of syrup.[/QUOTE]Honey is natural, most syrup is composed of high fructose corn syrup, artificial coloring, and artificial preservatives. You are complaining?

I remember some time in early 2000's a colleague of mine and I traveled to Japan together for a work meeting. It was his first time. At the airport he was trying to buy a sim card, and so he was very frustrated that the personnel working there did not speak good English.

Don't make that mistake.

This guy saying that they are cleaning up Lleras due to the mall across the market. I wonder how's the current status there.

[URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/G9KZWKSXVjI?si=eELSemFQT2TX7gSF[/URL]

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060807]One of my biggest hang ups about Colombia used to be the condiments. Every time I visited, the thing that bothered me most was that despite the wonderful food, I couldn't find the right flavors to go with it. The salad dressings and steak sauces tasted different, and they'd often offer honey instead of syrup. When you're accustomed to a specific taste, that's what you want.

​I vowed that for any extended stay, I'd ship everything to my home here in advance. I didn't want to be in this beautiful country with an excellent steak but no A1 sauceespecially since American brands are priced astronomically here. Having those familiar comforts makes the stay so much better. I love southern food and I love to cook, so I enjoy making meals for the people I'm with and sharing those authentic American flavors. By shipping my favorite products months ahead of time, I skip the store hunt entirely. Since the eggs, meat, and poultry are so affordable here, I can make hot wings, steaks, or pasta that taste exactly like home, all while enjoying life in one of the most beautiful places in the world."

Everyone has their non-negotiables. While some are comfortable boiling water for a bathnoting that much of the world lives this wayI have never been one of them. As a middle-aged man, I have no desire to bathe with a warm pot when I can install a showerhead for on-demand hot water. Similarly, while others can go months without specific foods or comforts, those details are essential for me. To stay away for six to eight months, I need to feel like I'm truly at home! Is it too much to have A1 Syrup Hoecakes &A ton of eggs daily for breakfast? PN.[/QUOTE]When I go back to the states I bring an extra empty suitcase with me and load up on condiments etc. I've been in Colombia for over a year straight now but no way am I going to go without my southwest hot mustard etc. So I ship it in. I don't go without my favorite things whether it be spices, condiments or certain clothing items, I just order it online and ship it here, cost be damned. A lot of products in stores here not just food items are junk quality or "seconds" so if it is something that I want of quality I order it from the states and have it shipped. I have a box coming right now with eight items in it.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3060898]This guy saying that they are cleaning up Lleras due to the mall across the market. I wonder how's the current status there.

[URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/G9KZWKSXVjI?si=eELSemFQT2TX7gSF[/URL][/QUOTE]Not going to happen. The club owners in Lleras are some of the most powerful people in Colombia, it's all window dressing.

I think you are probably right about that. In the end, I don't think it matters what combination of business closures, punter and provider harassment, media events, and youtube hype happens, up to and including demolishing the entire area because it would only increase activity in other parts of the city. My Centro rat brain is telling me it would be a plus for the Centro scene.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3060978]Not going to happen. The club owners in Lleras are some of the most powerful people in Colombia, it's all window dressing.[/QUOTE]

I could get my head around it if it were not for two things. These guys I've seen getting denied and deported have not been first time visitors and two everything they are getting stitched up over is available for sale on shops in every neighborhood or via the Rappi delivery service. I had a laugh recently when I saw comments on Instagram between two Colombian women who were clowning the expelled foreigner for his awful taste in lingerie.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3060854]I can't believe idiots are still takin sex toys to other countries. But it's the interactions and interviews that seem to be catching men up. Just give the Airbnb addresses and keep it moving.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3060898]This guy saying that they are cleaning up Lleras due to the mall across the market. I wonder how's the current status there.

[URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/G9KZWKSXVjI?si=eELSemFQT2TX7gSF[/URL][/QUOTE]This is all just alarmism for clickbait. Don't spread it.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3061024]This is all just alarmism for clickbait. Don't spread it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for confirming. I wasn't going to click anyway.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3061010]I had a laugh recently when I saw comments on Instagram between two Colombian women who were clowning the expelled foreigner for his awful taste in lingerie.[/QUOTE]That just goes to sbow. He probably had in his head that the girls are really going to love this.

Today was an exceptional day. I cooked five racks of ribs, potato salad, baked beans, a garden salad, and some Southern hoe cakes. Everyone at my house was absolutely in love with how the ribs turned out! That's what I mean about having specific condiments and adding those little American touches that make everything taste like home.

​Once you prepare food in this country, you realize the difference. I shipped down a gas grill, bought a small propane tank, and brought in wood chips so I'd still have that hickory smell. Between the chips and the authentic mesquite rub, the food turned out absolutely wonderful. I had about 12 guests over, and they couldn't stop talking about it. Some of them are even taking plates home! Five racks of ribs is a lot of food, and the way they were prepared—right down to the thin ends—was just on point. PN.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060807]One of my biggest hang ups about Colombia used to be the condiments. Is it too much to have A1 Syrup Hoecakes &A ton of eggs daily for breakfast? PN.[/QUOTE]Have you ever been inside a Carulla grocery store they cater a lot to expats, and they have a lot of stuff imported from USA. I know for sure they have the Aunt Jemima pancake mix and pancake syrup, they even have beef steaks important in the United States. I'm not sure where they all are in Medellin but there's two in El poblado and one in Laureles that I know. I attached some small Snips of the map you can see.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3060802]I saw this on Fay Boo and I tried to find a matching story by googling this lead line but I could not find anything. Anybody else heard about this?

It says: ....."German inadmitted by Migration Colombia after demonstrating intention of tourism for sexual exploitation.

Inconsistencies during the migration interview, itineraries to Cartagena and Medellin and sex toys in their luggage prompted the measure. ".

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/MigracionCol[/URL][/QUOTE]Why is that? Sex toys are legal, prostitution is legal.

If one goes to Colombia multiple times within a short time span, clean phone, no sex toys, just Tadalafil, and what he is doing is 100% legal there as well as in his country. Do he need to prepare and worry?

You can buy tadalafil and sex toys here. These guys have had their luggage inspected after they were unable to provide satisfactory responses to questions along the lines of "what is the purpose of your visit to Colombia?" It's a good idea to be able to name an attraction or two. You should also be able to indicate where you will be staying and it's better if the address you give is not one of the better known punter clubhouses.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3061101]Why is that? Sex toys are legal, prostitution is legal.

If one goes to Colombia multiple times within a short time span, clean phone, no sex toys, just Tadalafil, and what he is doing is 100% legal there as well as in his country. Do he need to prepare and worry?[/QUOTE]

Propane barbecue is pretend barbecue. But seriously, the longer you are here the more you realize how bad Colombian gastronomy is. Their favorite flavor is bland and their only seasoning is salt, sugar, grease, and cilantro. You can work around it in the big cities where there are international restaurants and specialty grocery chains like Carulla. In the pueblos and smaller cities it is grim. I was in Ibagué last week. I couldn't even find a decent pastel de pollo. One morning I was in a local bakery and everybody was eating calentado. I reverted to fruit and steamed vegetables.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061057]Today was an exceptional day. I cooked five racks of ribs, potato salad, baked beans, a garden salad, and some Southern hoe cakes. Everyone at my house was absolutely in love with how the ribs turned out! That's what I mean about having specific condiments and adding those little American touches that make everything taste like home.

​Once you prepare food in this country, you realize the difference. I shipped down a gas grill, bought a small propane tank, and brought in wood chips so I'd still have that hickory smell. Between the chips and the authentic mesquite rub, the food turned out absolutely wonderful. I had about 12 guests over, and they couldn't stop talking about it. Some of them are even taking plates home! Five racks of ribs is a lot of food, and the way they were preparedright down to the thin endswas just on point. PN.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3061101]Why is that? Sex toys are legal, prostitution is legal.

If one goes to Colombia multiple times within a short time span, clean phone, no sex toys, just Tadalafil, and what he is doing is 100% legal there as well as in his country. Do he need to prepare and worry?[/QUOTE]Immigration officials in any country can deny you because they don't like the look on your face, no reason necessary. Colombia is tired of these Youtube idiots.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3061101]Why is that? Sex toys are legal, prostitution is legal.

If one goes to Colombia multiple times within a short time span, clean phone, no sex toys, just Tadalafil, and what he is doing is 100% legal there as well as in his country. Do he need to prepare and worry?[/QUOTE]Legal? Hilarious. It is not about legality. What Manizales said is spot on. You can be granted a visa at an embassy and when you get to a country immigration can deny you entry.

I just was updating the maps. A lot of places have are outdated.

Please let us know about those places. Free map if you do!

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3061133]Immigration officials in any country can deny you because they don't like the look on your face, no reason necessary. Colombia is tired of these Youtube idiots.[/QUOTE]That's pretty much it. You're visiting at their pleasure.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3061131]You can buy tadalafil and sex toys here. These guys have had their luggage inspected after they were unable to provide satisfactory responses to questions along the lines of "what is the purpose of your visit to Colombia?" It's a good idea to be able to name an attraction or two. You should also be able to indicate where you will be staying and it's better if the address you give is not one of the better known punter clubhouses.[/QUOTE]That is the smartest move, but you are not getting the smartest mongers in MDE. They can book tons of attractions and cancel them if they don't feel like doing any tourism. A coffee tour for example. The easiest is to find a local girlfriend or buddy and provide her or his info.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3061132]Propane barbecue is pretend barbecue. But seriously, the longer you are here the more you realize how bad Colombian gastronomy is. Their favorite flavor is bland and their only seasoning is salt, sugar, grease, and cilantro. You can work around it in the big cities where there are international restaurants and specialty grocery chains like Carulla. In the pueblos and smaller cities it is grim. I was in Ibagu last week. I couldn't even find a decent pastel de pollo. One morning I was in a local bakery and everybody was eating calentado. I reverted to fruit and steamed vegetables.[/QUOTE]You're right. I live in Manizales and generally the food here sucks but there are a handful of decent restaurants but it took a lot of research and trial and error to get a decent roster of restaurants. That said, everything else about this city blows away the big three cities, especially the chicas. Tonight I'm taking a "9" chica to a Mexican restaurant owned by a Mexican family, the chica is the one that found this one, the restaurant has great reviews, we'll see.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3061292]I live in Manizales and generally the food here sucks but there are a handful of decent restaurants but it took a lot of research and trial and error to get a decent roster of restaurants. That said, everything else about this city blows away the big three cities, especially the chicas.[/QUOTE]I agree. Manizales is one beautiful place and I found some great food there. Those hills can go to hell, but I guess that is what makes it so beautiful.

Hola amigos,

Regular poster in the Havana thread, going to try out Colombia in June. I've read the thread back 6 months and chatted with some people who've gone. My only issues are logistical. Some great recommendations here on dinero and restaurants and strip clubs.

My main concerns:

1) Where to stay (my preference on my first trip is to stay in Poblado, K. I. S. S.) for chica-friendliness. Some say hotels are better, others say certain AirBNBs (which is my typical lodging). I know the AirBNB drill, ask the hosts, and read the reviews, same as any city. But if there are hotels that are renowned for their chica hospitality, then maybe I can bypass the rigamarole of AirBNB research and host interviews. It REALLY raises my anxiety dropping the time and money on a trip and not even knowing if I am going to be able to take a chica home (not interested in the love hotels, I like home court advantage). Assume money is not a consideration.

2) Which city to fly into? Many experienced Colombia guys have different views on which airport to take and not be in immigration for 4 hours (I am ADD / type A and waiting in line is painful). I want to go to Medellin, but is it really better to fly into CTG (I'm already researching Cartagena chicas). Some say yes, some say BOG (frankly I'm a little scared of Bogota on my first trip), others say all the airports suck, so just redeye it and get there first (I'd prefer not to start my vacay with jet lag, as I'm no spring chicken). I don't mind flying into one city from the US, then hopping to another in Colombia, and flying back to the US from it, if that is more better than wasting 4 hours at MDE.

3) Is June a good month to go? Being equatorial I wouldn't think the time of year would matter, but it seems to be raining a lot there now. Rain kind of buzzkills strolling in Lleras park, eh?

Also, many references to "casas" here, which seems to be either bordellos or clubs that act that way?

TIA guys. I promise to reciprocate with a detailed report upon my return.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3060802]I saw this on Fay Boo and I tried to find a matching story by googling this lead line but I could not find anything. Anybody else heard about this?

It says: ....."German inadmitted by Migration Colombia after demonstrating intention of tourism for sexual exploitation.

Inconsistencies during the migration interview, itineraries to Cartagena and Medellin and sex toys in their luggage prompted the measure. "

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/MigracionCol[/URL][/QUOTE]Guarantee this is not his first time being denied entry. In 9 out of 10 of these cases, there is a missing variable. I have seen guys with super-dooper packages of Magnums, entire BlueChew packs, PT-141, cock rings, and dildos the size of my arm, only lacking a P-Diddy baby-oils. Bags ran through the X-ray and let through without questions.

"What are you here for?" — "Visiting a friend."

"Where are you staying?" — "MIxa in Pablano."

And then STFU.

+30 year in this game and that smells like BS.

[QUOTE=Jiniterinator;3061354]Hola amigos,

Regular poster in the Havana thread, going to try out Colombia in June. I've read the thread back 6 months and chatted with some people who've gone. My only issues are logistical. Some great recommendations here on dinero and restaurants and strip clubs.

My main concerns:

1) Where to stay (my preference on my first trip is to stay in Poblado, K. I. S. S.) for chica-friendliness. Some say hotels are better, others say certain AirBNBs (which is my typical lodging). I know the AirBNB drill, ask the hosts, and read the reviews, same as any city. But if there are hotels that are renowned for their chica hospitality, then maybe I can bypass the rigamarole of AirBNB research and host interviews. It REALLY raises my anxiety dropping the time and money on a trip and not even knowing if I am going to be able to take a chica home (not interested in the love hotels, I like home court advantage).[/QUOTE]If you have anxiety as being perceived as a "sex tourist" stay in Laureles or someplace like that rather than Poblado. When you look at Airbnb be wary of any renters who are (solo) women. They are the most restrictive in terms of having guests.

[QUOTE=Jiniterinator;3061354]Hola amigos, Regular poster in the Havana thread, going to try out Colombia in June. I've read the thread back 6 months and chatted with some people who've gone. My only issues are logistical. Some great recommendations here on dinero and restaurants and strip clubs.
My main concerns:
1) Where to stay ...........2) Which city to fly into? ........3) Is June a good month to go?.........
Also, many references to "casas" here, which seems to be either bordellos or clubs that act that way?
TIA guys. I promise to reciprocate with a detailed report upon my return.[/QUOTE]Responses (or at least partial answers) to three of your concerns:

1) RISK OF LONG WAIT AT MEDELLIN PASSPORT CONTROL (Fly into another city?) You write: "I'd prefer not to start my vacay with jet lag, as I'm no spring chicken. " In that case you may be in luck. The elderly (anyone over some age, 60? 65?) can go into a "Preferential Line" with virtually no wait.

2) IS June A GOOD MONTH TO GO? FOR WEATHER IN GENERAL? FOR RAIN? To quote one source on local climate: "Medelland, known as the "City of Eternal Spring," has a mild climate year-round with two main rainy seasons (AprilMay, SeptemberNovember) and two drier seasons (DecemberMarch, JulyAugust). Rain typically falls in short, heavy afternoon showers. " In my experience, even during rainy season, rare to have a gloomy, rainy day--per the quote, just briefer, intense storms, most often in the late afternoon but they can interfere with Parque Lleras mongering on occasion.

3) ARE CASAS MORE LIKE BORDELLOS OR CLUBS. Casas are like brothels or bordellos, generally open from late morning into early evening.

Enjoy your visit and we'll keep an eye out for that promised trip report.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3061367]Responses (or at least partial answers) to three of your concerns:

1) RISK OF LONG WAIT AT MEDELLIN PASSPORT CONTROL (Fly into another city?) You write: "I'd prefer not to start my vacay with jet lag, as I'm no spring chicken. " In that case you may be in luck. The elderly (anyone over some age, 60? 65?) can go into a "Preferential Line" with virtually no wait.
[/QUOTE]The preferential age is 65.

Wondering if any of you have lived in Medellin for a year or so, then decided to return? What did you get tired of?

I want to give everyone a heads-up about a situation I recently found myself in. Because of my trusting nature, I was caught off guard. I've known this woman for about eight years—she's 25 now—so I felt I had no reason to doubt her. Over the years, I frequently handled financial transactions for her whenever she asked. Other men would send her money via PayPal, Western Union, Venmo, or Zelle, directing the funds to my personal account for me to transfer to her. I've done this for over three years without any issues; however, the problems began about three or four months ago.

About a month and a half ago, a young woman I know began receiving frequent financial transactions ranging from $1,500 to $2,000. These payments arrived two or three times a week. I was amazed by the volume and commended her for her hustle. Since she was using my PayPal, Venmo, and Zelle accounts, I saw multiple men sending $2,000 a night. When I asked her about it, she explained she was spending upwards of eight hours with these clients, which justified the high rate.

​The transactions seemed legitimate because the same individuals would send $2,000 multiple times over several days. I had no reason to doubt her; I personally watched her earn over $30,000 in a single month, which I then transferred to her, her mother, and her sister.

​The trouble started when these men returned to the United States. They filed "unauthorized transaction" claims, alleging they had been robbed. Because the money was originally sent to my personal accounts, I was left "holding the bag. " My accounts at PayPal, Venmo, and Bank of America were immediately frozen, leaving me with over $40,000 in total delinquency.

​I had to hire an aggressive lawyer to fight the banks. We argued that this couldn't be fraud; if it were a mistake or a robbery, any rational person would have blocked their card or issued a stop-payment immediately. Instead, these men waited two or three weeks until they were back in the States to claim their accounts were hacked.

​Once my lawyer submitted screenshots and location data proving these men were physically in Colombia when they authorized the payments, the financial institutions finally released my funds. It was clear these men had "squandered" thousands of dollars and filed false claims to hide the spending from their wives or girlfriends. Given the circumstances and what I have experienced, I want to make it clear that the majority of the individuals claiming to have been robbed are East Indian men with traditional names—such as Patel, Chakra, and Kumar. Despite their claims, they spent an incredible amount of money on this young woman over the course of a month. Furthermore, they waited until they returned to the United States before reporting that any robbery had occurred.

​My advice: Never facilitate financial transactions for anyone in Colombia under any circumstances. It can be detrimental to your financial standing and your well-being. I escaped "without a scratch" only because of my attorney, but it was a massive risk. Stay safe out there. PN.

I can't verify if these men were drugged, if she scanned their thumbs while they were high, or exactly what made them spend $2,000 a night with this young woman—but I'm telling you, it happened. They sent money to my account on multiple occasions. I don't know her methods, but the transactions were real.

​If you're going to be partying or getting high with women in Colombia, please protect your financial well-being. Do not let your guard down. Throughout February and March, I transferred money for her without issue, and she was receiving $8,000 to $10,000 a week. Whether she was getting clients intoxicated and using FaceID or thumbprints, the risk is real.

​By the time you return to the USA And claim you were robbed, geotracking will show you were physically there, making it nearly impossible to get your money back—especially once you've sent payments to someone else's Zelle. Don't let your guard down. " For the record, I can personally verify this because I've seen it with my own eyes. This girl is building a three-story, six-bedroom home that is nearly complete. I am unsure of the total cost or the source of her funding, but the finishing touches are currently being applied. Based on what I've seen, the house is more than 90% finished, and I can only imagine what it took to get this project done. " Stay safe. PN.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061509]I want to give everyone a heads-up about a situation I recently found myself in. Because of my trusting nature, I was caught off guard. I've known this woman for about eight yearsshe's 25 nowso I felt I had no reason to doubt her. Over the years, I frequently handled financial transactions for her whenever she asked. Other men would send her money via PayPal, Western Union, Venmo, or Zelle, directing the funds to my personal account for me to transfer to her. I've done this for over three years without any issues; however, the problems began about three or four months ago.

About a month and a half ago, a young woman I know began receiving frequent financial transactions ranging from $1,500 to $2,000. These payments arrived two or three times a week. I was amazed by the volume and commended her for her hustle. Since she was using my PayPal, Venmo, and Zelle accounts, I saw multiple men sending $2,000 a night. When I asked her about it, she explained she was spending upwards of eight hours with these clients, which justified the high rate.

​The transactions seemed legitimate because the same individuals would send $2,000 multiple times over several days. I had no reason to doubt her; I personally watched her earn over $30,000 in a single month, which I then transferred to her, her mother, and her sister.

​The trouble started when these men returned to the United States. They filed "unauthorized transaction" claims, alleging they had been robbed. Because the money was originally sent to my personal accounts, I was left "holding the bag. " My accounts at PayPal, Venmo, and Bank of America were immediately frozen, leaving me with over $40,000 in total delinquency.

​I had to hire an aggressive lawyer to fight the banks. We argued that this couldn't be fraud; if it were a mistake or a robbery, any rational person would have blocked their card or issued a stop-payment immediately. Instead, these men waited two or three weeks until they were back in the States to claim their accounts were hacked.

​Once my lawyer submitted screenshots and location data proving these men were physically in Colombia when they authorized the payments, the financial institutions finally released my funds. It was clear these men had "squandered" thousands of dollars and filed false claims to hide the spending from their wives or girlfriends. Given the circumstances and what I have experienced, I want to make it clear that the majority of the individuals claiming to have been robbed are East Indian men with traditional namessuch as Patel, Chakra, and Kumar. Despite their claims, they spent an incredible amount of money on this young woman over the course of a month. Furthermore, they waited until they returned to the United States before reporting that any robbery had occurred.

​My advice: Never facilitate financial transactions for anyone in Colombia under any circumstances. It can be detrimental to your financial standing and your well-being. I escaped "without a scratch" only because of my attorney, but it was a massive risk. Stay safe out there. PN.[/QUOTE]I am surprised you were able to do it, the IRS would asked you to pay taxes because you have frequent payments coming in and out.

Thanks for the PSA.

The same could be said about Venezuelan or Venezuelans, you don't know where the money is coming from, it could be from illegal businesses as well.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061510]I can't verify if these men were drugged, if she scanned their thumbs while they were high, or exactly what made them spend $2,000 a night with this young womanbut I'm telling you, it happened. They sent money to my account on multiple occasions. I don't know her methods, but the transactions were real.

​If you're going to be partying or getting high with women in Colombia, please protect your financial well-being. Do not let your guard down. Throughout February and March, I transferred money for her without issue, and she was receiving $8,000 to $10,000 a week. Whether she was getting clients intoxicated and using FaceID or thumbprints, the risk is real.

​By the time you return to the USA And claim you were robbed, geotracking will show you were physically there, making it nearly impossible to get your money backespecially once you've sent payments to someone else's Zelle. Don't let your guard down. " For the record, I can personally verify this because I've seen it with my own eyes. This girl is building a three-story, six-bedroom home that is nearly complete. I am unsure of the total cost or the source of her funding, but the finishing touches are currently being applied. Based on what I've seen, the house is more than 90% finished, and I can only imagine what it took to get this project done. " Stay safe. PN.[/QUOTE]If the transfer came from the same account, I'd be suspicious. Here is what's odd (I too think like you), I have wealthy desi friends, and they negotiate to death and are frugal, especially when it comes to "entertainment". They were probably getting drugged, or blackmailed.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3061530]If the transfer came from the same account, I'd be suspicious. Here is what's odd (I too think like you), I have wealthy desi friends, and they negotiate to death and are frugal, especially when it comes to "entertainment". They were probably getting drugged, or blackmailed.[/QUOTE]Even if you were drugged and blackmailed, are you so ashamed that instead of going to the authorities, you waited until you returned to America to file a fraudulent credit card claim? You were here in Colombia having fun and partying, but you made a mistake by not paying attention, and it cost you dearly. Rather than accepting that you made a mistake and contacting the local authorities here in Colombia, you waited until you returned to the USA to make fraudulent claims. Now, someone like me has to get attorneys involved, and you're still losing the money you were robbed of while you were here."

Because I'm the third party involved, I actually know your name, your ethnicity, and every personal detail about you. Imagine if I were just some psychopathic fool willing to post my financial records online to reveal the names of the guys sending large sums of money to this girl—or those allowing her to drug and rob them, using their fingerprint or Face ID to access their accounts.

​It makes no sense to blame the person who had no knowledge of what was happening other than transferring money for a friend (or someone I thought was a friend). I now have your information and her information, yet you are still out tens of thousands of dollars."

In today's digital age, things move fast. Unfortunately, men often learn hard lessons the hard way, and today's youth—or inexperienced men—will pay a significantly higher price than men of the past.

​If you allow someone to drug you, rob you, and access your bank account through facial recognition or fingerprint ID, you are in serious trouble. Do not blame the messenger when you were the one willing to listen to the message. If you know your financial access is tied to your phone, you should hide it as carefully as you would your cash or credit cards.

​Don't wait until you are partying with these young women and they rob you of tens of thousands of dollars to return to America and proclaim you were a victim of fraud. In reality, you were partying, doing drugs, and letting your guard down—and it cost you everything.

For the record, I have known this young lady personally for over eight years. I possess copies of her passport, her mother's passport, and her sister's passport. When I reported the situation to my attorney, I provided all of their names, phone numbers, and passport details. I did not just provide information on the individuals making fraudulent claims; I provided comprehensive details for the young lady and her family members.

​My attorney submitted this information to the institutions holding my accounts in delinquency. Once that data was provided, my accounts were finally unfrozen.

​One thing I can testify to regarding the young lady and her family is that they have not changed their phone numbers. Whether this is due to stupidity or boldness, I cannot say; however, I can confirm their numbers remain active in my WhatsApp contacts. I have their address and all of their personal information. It is possible the Colombian authorities and the banking institutions are waiting for the right moment to act—perhaps to seize the house she is currently building—but I have provided all the necessary documentation required to identify exactly to whom I was transferring money. PN.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;3061445]Wondering if any of you have lived in Medellin for a year or so, then decided to return? What did you get tired of?[/QUOTE]Last year I moved from Manizales Colombia to Medellin because I prefer the warmer weather of Medellin and the much more diverse restaurant scene. I lasted three months and moved back to Manizales. Now I go to Medellin for few days a month. The reason I left Medellin was primarily the horrible filth, garbage, homeless and druggies lying in the streets. Yes there are areas of Medellin that don't have this problem but the majority of Medellin is a mess. I didn't work my ass off to retire and live amongst that scene. I was in Laureles just last week and watched a guy take a shit on the sidewalk in broad daylight. The streets of Manizales are spotless compared to most of Medellin and there are few homeless and druggies lying around with the exception of a very small area of El Centro. That said, I do enjoy medellin in small doses but I would NEVER live there again. Just my dos centavos.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061509]I want to give everyone a heads-up about a situation I recently found myself in. Because of my trusting nature, I was caught off guard. I've known this woman for about eight yearsshe's 25 nowso I felt I had no reason to doubt her. Over the years, I frequently handled financial transactions for her whenever she asked. Other men would send her money via PayPal, Western Union, Venmo, or Zelle, directing the funds to my personal account for me to transfer to her. I've done this for over three years without any issues; however, the problems began about three or four months ago.

About a month and a half ago, a young woman I know began receiving frequent financial transactions ranging from $1,500 to $2,000. These payments arrived two or three times a week. I was amazed by the volume and commended her for her hustle. Since she was using my PayPal, Venmo, and Zelle accounts, I saw multiple men sending $2,000 a night. When I asked her about it, she explained she was spending upwards of eight hours with these clients, which justified the high rate.

​The transactions seemed legitimate because the same individuals would send $2,000 multiple times over several days. I had no reason to doubt her; I personally watched her earn over $30,000 in a single month, which I then transferred to her, her mother, and her sister...[/QUOTE]I get it that we all have different levels of risk, for myself what you did is off the charts, exponentially risky beyond comprehension.

This is Colombia where life is cheap, cartels fronting multi-million dollar building projects, money laundering, cheap pussy, dr*gs everywhere and too easy getting into serious problems where the only way out is either fleeing the country or in a body bag.

Why anyone would put themselves into this position is beyond belief, IMHO.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3061375]The preferential age is 65.[/QUOTE]My last time in Medellin, the signage said 62+.

[QUOTE=Balboa;3061635]My last time in Medellin, the signage said 62+.[/QUOTE]62+ is correct.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3061644]62+ is correct.[/QUOTE]I could sure be wrong. I was there in October and thought it said 65.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3061607]I was in Laureles just last week and watched a guy take a shit on the sidewalk in broad daylight. The streets of Manizales are spotless compared to most of Medellin and there are few homeless and druggies lying around with the exception of a very small area of El Centro. That said, I do enjoy medellin in small doses but I would NEVER live there again. Just my dos centavos.[/QUOTE]To be fair I've seen this in Chicago.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061509]I want to give everyone a heads-up about a situation I recently found myself in. Because of my trusting nature, I was caught off guard....

About a month and a half ago, a young woman I know began receiving frequent financial transactions ranging from $1,500 to $2,000. These payments arrived two or three times a week. I was amazed by the volume and commended her for her hustle. Since she was using my PayPal, Venmo, and Zelle accounts, I saw multiple men sending $2,000 a night. When I asked her about it, she explained she was spending upwards of eight hours with these clients, which justified the high rate.

The trouble started when these men returned to the United States. They filed "unauthorized transaction" claims, alleging they had been robbed. Because the money was originally sent to my personal accounts, I was left "holding the bag. " My accounts at PayPal, Venmo, and Bank of America were immediately frozen, leaving me with over $40,000 in total delinquency.

​I had to hire an aggressive lawyer to fight the banks. We argued that this couldn't be fraud; if it were a mistake or a robbery, any rational person would have blocked their card or issued a stop-payment immediately. Instead, these men waited two or three weeks until they were back in the States to claim their accounts were hacked....

.....Once my lawyer submitted screenshots and location data proving these men were physically in Colombia when they authorized the payments, the financial institutions finally released my funds. It was clear these men had "squandered" thousands of dollars and filed false claims to hide the spending from their wives or girlfriends. Given the circumstances and what I have experienced, I want to make it clear that the majority of the individuals claiming to have been robbed are East Indian men with traditional names such as Patel, Chakra, and Kumar. Despite their claims, they spent an incredible amount of money on this young woman over the course of a month. Furthermore, they waited until they returned to the United States before reporting that any robbery had occurred....[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if it was the case here, but when I was drugged (Oct '22) I was knocked out for 60+ hours during which they linked my credit cards to PayPal, Venmo, etc. And did many charges of $1 k to $3 k. When I awoke and attempted to lock my credit cards and bank I was unable to as the bank could not confirm my identity. The thief and her small gang took my Passport, phone (dual authetntication), and any form of ID I had. Since I could not prove that I was me, banks were unqilling to lock or freeze my accounts, even as a precautionary measure. This allowed the thieves to continue charging for another 4-5 days after I woke up. I needed to return to the U.S. and get a replacement phone to prove things... total nightmare. I did get all of the money back eventually though.

Thankfully I had the piece of mind to go to the Federal Police and get a full report on the incident. This made things much easier when I reported the fraudulent activity and provided justification.

Knowing the group that you are speaking of, I can see these gentlemen knowingly paying a large amount under the belief that they could report the charges to their credit card company or bank and get out of it. Unfortunately they were unable to in this case. And if no police report then they have little recourse.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3061651]I'm not sure if it was the case here, but when I was drugged (Oct '22) I was knocked out for 60+ hours during which they linked my credit cards to PayPal, Venmo, etc. And did many charges of $1 k to $3 k. When I awoke and attempted to lock my credit cards and bank I was unable to as the bank could not confirm my identity. The thief and her small gang took my Passport, phone (dual authetntication), and any form of ID I had. Since I could not prove that I was me, banks were unqilling to lock or freeze my accounts, even as a precautionary measure. This allowed the thieves to continue charging for another 4-5 days after I woke up. I needed to return to the U.S. and get a replacement phone to prove things... total nightmare. I did get all of the money back eventually though.[/QUOTE]Did you already have the PayPal and Venmo accounts on your phone or did they create new ones?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3061652]Did you already have the PayPal and Venmo accounts on your phone or did they create new ones?[/QUOTE]I think I had Paypal on my phone, but they created a Venmo account. Since they were using my phone and also laptop they were 'trusted devices. ' To add insult to injury both my phone and laptop had facial recognition which they used to access.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061567]Even if you were drugged and blackmailed, are you so ashamed that instead of going to the authorities, you waited until you returned to America to file a fraudulent credit card claim? You were here in Colombia having fun and partying, but you made a mistake by not paying attention, and it cost you dearly. Rather than accepting that you made a mistake and contacting the local authorities here in Colombia, you waited until you returned to the USA to make fraudulent claims. Now, someone like me has to get attorneys involved, and you're still losing the money you were robbed of while you were here."

Because I'm the third party involved, I actually know your name, your ethnicity, and every personal detail about you. Imagine if I were just some psychopathic fool willing to post my financial records online to reveal the names of the guys sending large sums of money to this girlor those allowing her to drug and rob them, using their fingerprint or Face ID to access their accounts.

​It makes no sense to blame the person who had no knowledge of what was happening other than transferring money for a friend (or someone I thought was a friend). I now have your information and her information, yet you are still out tens of thousands of dollars."

In today's digital age, things move fast. Unfortunately, men often learn hard lessons the hard way, and today's youthor inexperienced menwill pay a significantly higher price than men of the past.

​If you allow someone to drug you, rob you, and access your bank account through facial recognition or fingerprint ID, you are in serious trouble. Do not blame the messenger when you were the one willing to listen to the message. If you know your financial access is tied to your phone, you should hide it as carefully as you would your cash or credit cards.

​Don't wait until you are partying with these young women and they rob you of tens of thousands of dollars to return to America and proclaim you were a victim of fraud. In reality, you were partying, doing drugs, and letting your guard downand it cost you everything.[/QUOTE]Have you been curious about asking those guys why they paid that much or what they paid for?, or just let them know they were overcharged LOL! JK, I know most of my desi acquaintances pay for the whole night usually.

This is really strange but a gal that I have banging from Medellin has arrived in the states. I have her instagram and showed her in New Jersey. I thought it was fake. Then I saw more posts but this time she is Las Vegas. I have noticed that her IG account she is wearing fancy clothes and yachts.

I saw her profile on Seeking in the Medellin / Colombia area on Seeking and it showed her location as the United States. I sent her a message on Seeking and she messaged me on WhatsApp. She wants to meet. I paid 400 k in Colombia do you think I can get that here?

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061509]I want to give everyone a heads-up about a situation I recently found myself in. Because of my trusting nature, I was caught off guard. I've known this woman for about eight yearsshe's 25 nowso I felt I had no reason to doubt her. Over the years, I frequently handled financial transactions for her whenever she asked. Other men would send her money via PayPal, Western Union, Venmo, or Zelle, directing the funds to my personal account for me to transfer to her. I've done this for over three years without any issues; however, the problems began about three or four months ago.

About a month and a half ago, a young woman I know began receiving frequent financial transactions ranging from $1,500 to $2,000. These payments arrived two or three times a week. I was amazed by the volume and commended her for her hustle. Since she was using my PayPal, Venmo, and Zelle accounts, I saw multiple men sending $2,000 a night. When I asked her about it, she explained she was spending upwards of eight hours with these clients, which justified the high rate.[/QUOTE]Holy fuck brother!

Been reading your posts a long time and you always had good intel. What the fuck are you doing? C'Mon. You're better than this. It's 100% this girl is drugging and robbing assholes and you could be making yourself an accomplice to a crime in a foreign nation. Her pussy can't be worth the risk you're taking. That much money in Colombia on a consistent basis is a fucking fortune. You can do all night with a 10 for 300 $ easy. No one is doing 2000 $ USD night after night.

But most importantly, thank you for sharing and keeping us updated on possible dangers. The true mongers appreciate that, and be safe and be careful. Hopefully nothing more comes of that.

I was in Medellin back in February, and hooked up with 4 pros from Tinder. TigerMuskie's positive report about chicas on pasionprepagos inspired me, so I did an incall with 1 pro from that site as well. I met and got numbers from a few chicas in Parque Lleras (but didn't session with any.) And I had some dates with a non-pro that I met on Tinder.

The many pros I talked to from Tinder, and the few from Parque Lleras, mostly quoted me between 400 k and 500 k, usually for just 1 hour with 1 pop. Sometimes CBJ, sometimes BBBJ. A few wanted even more money than that as a starting point, while others said that it would cost more for the things I wanted to negotiate. But fortunately, there were enough chicas willing to negotiate for the price range and services I was looking for: roughly 400 k for 2 hours with 2 pops and BBBJ at my hotel (and I paid for their ubers).

Chica #1 - 26 yo, typical Medellin bimbo looks (pretty face, light skin, long dark hair, fake lips) with big fake tits, and a huge bouncy instagram-worthy booty. Looked like a BBL, but surprisingly was all natural. Nice personality, although the sex was a little cold, but her face and banging body made up for it. Did her two nights in a row, before she left town for the rest of the week on a family vacation. 400 k.

Chica #2 - 19 yo, thicc, short, tan skin, and cute. Somewhat cold personality, but enthusiastic sex. Showed me how she liked to be fingered until I made her cum, and we gave each other massages. Insisted on getting paid before instead of after. Did her one night. 350 k.

Chica #3 - 19 yo, braces, petite body, good-sized tits for her frame, and a nice little booty on her. Dark skin, looked like a mix of Indigenous and African roots. She also had a somewhat cold personality, but gave enthusiastic sex. When I paid her at the end, I gave her the fresh crisp bills I had pulled from the ATM earlier that day. She started inspecting them, so I joked that they were counterfeit bills and that's what I do for a living and why I came to Medellin. She half believed me and kept inspecting them, LOL. Did her one night. 400 k.

Chica #4 - 20 yo, another thicc cutie, light skin, pretty and sweet, nice tits and ass. Awesome personality, really clicked with this one. The first round was with condom. As we were starting the second round after some pillow talk, I was rubbing the head of my cock against her pussy lips and clit, and then she just pulled me inside her, no condom. Neither of us said anything about it, we just went right into bareback sex. I love it when it goes down like that! When I was ready to cum, I asked her if she wanted me to finish inside her or outside, and she said outside. I had her come over again on the last day of my trip, we did it bare again for both rounds, and then we had lunch together at a nearby cafe. We had agreed on 400 k, and I tipped her an extra 50 k for letting me hit it raw.

Chica #5 (pasionprepagos) - 25 yo, tan skin, blonde hair, fake bimbo body with great tits and ass. Wild sex. Incall for 90 minutes with BBBJ, 2 rounds and a very good massage. 470 k.

During this trip I had intended to check out some casas, but didn't end up doing that, because I had so many Tinder chicas blowing up my whatsapp who I wanted to try out. Based on the casa prices I've seen talked about on here, I think I was getting comparable prices with my outcall chicas (when you consider the amount of time and the addition of BBBJ.) Still, I would like to try out the Medellin casas scene, so I might go for it on my next visit.

I also had intended to hook up again with the fun Venezuelan MILF that I met in Centro last year, but unfortunately didn't get any responses from her when I messaged her. Back in December, I had told her that I'd be coming to Medellin in a few months, and she told me she'd be waiting for me. But when I arrived in February, my messages didn't even get read. I wonder if she lost her phone number, or if she went back to Venezuela, or something else happened. Big sad.

I'm coming back to Medellin next week, looking forward to seeing some of these chicas again, as well as the non-pro I had some dates with who is ready to fuck now. Might follow up this report with some more info from my experiences back in February. And anything noteworthy that comes from this next trip. Stay safe and have fun everyone! Anyone else in Medellin next week?

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061509]Because of my trusting nature, I was caught off guard. I've known this woman for about eight yearsshe's 25 nowso I felt I had no reason to doubt her. Over the years, I frequently handled financial transactions for her whenever she asked. Other men would send her money via PayPal, Western Union, Venmo, or Zelle, directing the funds to my personal account for me to transfer to her. I've done this for over three years without any issues; however, the problems began about three or four months ago.

I had to hire an aggressive lawyer to fight the banks.

My advice: Never facilitate financial transactions for anyone in Colombia under any circumstances. It can be detrimental to your financial standing and your well-being. I escaped "without a scratch" only because of my attorney, but it was a massive risk.[/QUOTE]You always post about all your street knowledge yet now you mention your "trusting nature". Those do not mix. The length of time knowing someone never equates to trust. Trust is earned by deeds not given by time. You were a money middle man and could not figure this out? Two things are real tip offs. Repeated money movements and amounts that are very large for "simple girls" in a relatively poor country. Ding ding ding no bells went off?

You did not escape without a scratch. You had and believe you still do a lot of stress and unhappiness about it. Your time spent of this was hardly "without a scratch". All aggressive lawyers are not cheap anywhere on the planet. Care to share the cost you incurred for the lawyer?

There was about 50 officers out there, it was pouring rain off and on and still there was girls everywhere. I would go there every night. I had a girl with the best DD tits I have seen in my life. I posted more but it got deleted by mistake so not motivate to text more. But take my word parque Lleras was fiyah.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3061683]And I had some dates with a non-pro that I met on Tinder.[/QUOTE]If she's on Tinder, she's a pro. She might be a less experienced one, but trust me, she's not on it to meet her future husband.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;3061691]You always post about all your street knowledge yet now you mention your "trusting nature". Those do not mix. The length of time knowing someone never equates to trust. Trust is earned by deeds not given by time. You were a money middle man and could not figure this out? Two things are real tip offs. Repeated money movements and amounts that are very large for "simple girls" in a relatively poor country. Ding ding ding no bells went off?

You did not escape without a scratch. You had and believe you still do a lot of stress and unhappiness about it. Your time spent of this was hardly "without a scratch". All aggressive lawyers are not cheap anywhere on the planet. Care to share the cost you incurred for the lawyer?[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, I didn't have to pay my attorney a single penny. My family keeps a very aggressive lawyer on retainer at all times, and it was he who made me aware that the situation was an easy fix. He explained that since the individual had sent money to my account more than once, the problem could be repaired without issue. Once I spoke to him, I had no further worries. This attorney has worked for us for many years, and his word is his bond; he has always been truthful with my family. While I won't say he's won every single case for every family member, he has won the vast majority of them. Because we keep him on retainer, resolving this issue was actually free. PN.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3061670]This is really strange but a gal that I have banging from Medellin has arrived in the states. I have her instagram and showed her in New Jersey.
I paid 400 k in Colombia do you think I can get that here?[/QUOTE]You can't possibly be serious. She will want a minimum of $500. Usd for a lousy hour.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3061650]To be fair I've seen this in Chicago.[/QUOTE]So what, who cares, I've seen it in 20 different countries but we are comparing cities in Colombia. This is about Colombia and has ZERO to do with any city in the USA.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;3061691]You always post about all your street knowledge yet now you mention your "trusting nature". Those do not mix. The length of time knowing someone never equates to trust. Trust is earned by deeds not given by time. You were a money middle man and could not figure this out? Two things are real tip offs. Repeated money movements and amounts that are very large for "simple girls" in a relatively poor country. Ding ding ding no bells went off?[/QUOTE]In a city like Medellin, where you can find women everywhere, if someone is still in my phone after eight years and I'm still calling them, there's a good reason for it. It's because I rely on them and their skillset.

​This young lady has done many good deeds for me over the years. As I've said, I have her passport, her cédula, and even her mother's and sister's passports. I considered her a true friend. After eight years, if we are still calling each other, it's because she has proven her value and done some pretty great things for me. PN.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3061731]You can't possibly be serious. She will want a minimum of $500. Usd for a lousy hour.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am serious. I don't see women who do meets by the "hour."

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3061728]If she's on Tinder, she's a pro. She might be a less experienced one, but trust me, she's not on it to meet her future husband.[/QUOTE]I have met many women on Tinder that are far from pros. Most just for coffee or a drink one time to see how much chemistry there was. In otherworldly a normal first date. If things do go further money has never been discussed. Although I do live in Medellin and these were not 18 yo girls either. Yet usually less than half my age.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3061661]Have you been curious about asking those guys why they paid that much or what they paid for?, or just let them know they were overcharged LOL! JK, I know most of my desi acquaintances pay for the whole night usually.[/QUOTE]Here's the thing: this young lady has been receiving PayPal, Venmo, and Zelle deposits of $500 twice a week for over three years. Before we jump to the conclusion that $2,000 in payments is 'weird,' you have to consider that she was receiving $500 twice a week from several repeat clients for a long time. In fact, those same people were still sending her money up until I stopped helping her with the transfers—which was only after these new people claimed they were 'fraudulently robbed. ' I had no reason to doubt she was actually working and providing a service; after all, why would the same three or four people continuously send her money two or three times a week for over three years? PN.

​One thing about me is that I've never been interested in "watching someone else's pocket. " I don't care what they have or how much they spend; that's their business. Everyone has a different level of comfort. For example, I paid $15,000 cash for dental implants in Colombia and was thrilled with the work, whereas I was quoted nearly $68,000 for the same labor and cosmetic dentistry in the United States.

​With that in mind, seeing someone spend $2,000 a night partying with people they've never met doesn't strike me as weird at all. I've seen people spend money recklessly my entire life. So, when someone comes to Colombia and starts partying out of the blue, it might be wasteful, but it isn't a "red flag" to me. Hearing that clients were paying her $2,000 a night didn't alert me to a potential robbery or fraud; I've seen men spend more money on far less. It isn't my place to tell people to be frugal. Nothing about the situation made me feel like I shouldn't help her. In fact, over the last eight years, I've seen men consistently send her $500 payments via Venmo, PayPal, and Zelle—averaging at least $1,500 a week for the last three years straight.

I suppose the four or five clients sending her $500 multiple times a week are victims too. Apparently, they just haven't reported the fact that $500 has been vanishing from their bank accounts weekly for three years straight. Make it make sense! PN.

[QUOTE=ClamEater;3061743]I have met many women on Tinder that are far from pros. Most just for coffee or a drink one time to see how much chemistry there was. In otherworldly a normal first date. If things do go further money has never been discussed. Although I do live in Medellin and these were not 18 yo girls either. Yet usually less than half my age.[/QUOTE]

Yup, exactly. I have met many normal women in various countries on Tinder and the Cupid sites. Some of these have turned into relationships. In Medellin, my experience is about 50% of the women on Tinder are pros, and the other 50% are non-pros. On ColombiaCupid, there's a much higher ratio of non-pros (but also a very high ratio of catfish / scam accounts).

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3061670]This is really strange but a gal that I have banging from Medellin has arrived in the states. I have her instagram and showed her in New Jersey. I thought it was fake. Then I saw more posts but this time she is Las Vegas. I have noticed that her IG account she is wearing fancy clothes and yachts.

I saw her profile on Seeking in the Medellin / Colombia area on Seeking and it showed her location as the United States. I sent her a message on Seeking and she messaged me on WhatsApp. She wants to meet. I paid 400 k in Colombia do you think I can get that here?[/QUOTE]She probably hit the jackpot, a couple of girls have told me that it is their dream to get a US tourist visa.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3061787]She probably hit the jackpot, a couple of girls have told me that it is their dream to get a US tourist visa.[/QUOTE]Which, once obtained and passport control passed, they will magically "convert" into an (illegal) immigrant visa hahaha!

[QUOTE=ClamEater;3061743]I have met many women on Tinder that are far from pros. Most just for coffee or a drink one time to see how much chemistry there was. In otherworldly a normal first date. If things do go further money has never been discussed. Although I do live in Medellin and these were not 18 yo girls either. Yet usually less than half my age.[/QUOTE]How old were the women? In my experience I'd say 80-90% of women on Tinder are looking for P4P, although they rarely ask for it openly (usually need some gift or help, or birthday is later that week kkk). If under 25 they were surely 'hoping' to work. If 25-30 they were probably semi-pro. If above 30 (which could still be less than half your age if 60+) then they may have been looking for a different relationship. At the end of the day, they will all want some form of 'sponsorship' or very regular support. That is the case of dating, even in the USA If the woman is much younger than you and more attractive. And I'm personally fine with it. It's much cheaper than marriage!

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3061791]How old were the women? In my experience I'd say 80-90% of women on Tinder are looking for P4P, although they rarely ask for it openly (usually need some gift or help, or birthday is later that week kkk). If under 25 they were surely 'hoping' to work. If 25-30 they were probably semi-pro. If above 30 (which could still be less than half your age if 60+) then they may have been looking for a different relationship. At the end of the day, they will all want some form of 'sponsorship' or very regular support. That is the case of dating, even in the USA If the woman is much younger than you and more attractive. And I'm personally fine with it. It's much cheaper than marriage![/QUOTE]I hung out and did one trip with one who was 24. Cut her loose because was near impossible to get her out of bed in the morning. Met several 26 to 29 but just not idea matchl. Met many from 30 to 44. No more 38+ as they get way to possive instantly. Currently dating a 33 yo spinner with a great job. My question what dating app do you think regular woman use in Colombia? CC is lame and fake company generated profile to get you to buy a membership. I was meeting 2 to 3 women a week. Just saying there are plenty of normal girls too.

Yes I get lots of P4P hits too. But honestly not that interested. I am debating about getting a sugar baby who isn't meet tourists.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3061787]She probably hit the jackpot, a couple of girls have told me that it is their dream to get a US tourist visa.[/QUOTE]That's what it is. She does not speak any English. I have known her for almost 3 years. She told me back then that she had a Visa and sent a screenshot but It never clicked with me. I had so many other women up there I forgot.

She's close to me but at the end of her visit. I have looked at all of videos and pics I took of her. I will definitely have her come and see me. It's pure GFE and I will take her to all of beaches that she wants including the nude ones!

First, thanks to all the posters of this forum who made this trip possible and memorable.

Travel: I used COPA and was lucky to book the flight before the war and higher price due to it.

Lodging: After considering many options I opted to stay at Haven Hotel. I also looked a few Air b&b but opted for Haven due to its location and Most importantly for the security they have in place. I booked a 2 room suite as I was travelling with friend. I booked it as 4 people stay and was not charged extra fee for visitors, but we only brought 1 guest each, daily. Haven also have decent breakfast which was included.

Safety: We stayed in El-Poblado neighborhood and did not feel any issues, there was good police and security presence through out the day.

Food: Not too much to write about, although there is Seafood restaurant that we loved and had excellent food.

Parque Lleras: We sat at on of the bars end of the entrance and had good view. This was our main venue for every night. My friend did not want to go to any clubs or strip clubs. First 3 nights the ratio of Girls vs Guys was 3-1 but around the weekend it gotten worse. I think it was due to Good Friday. On the weekend the security guys were too active, as soon as we tried to talk to girls they will come and ask to keep on moving, WhatsApp exchange worked. Police was there and saw them checking IDs of few girls but they were not bothering tourists. The security had more issues then police though.

Going rate: Almost everyone was asking 400 M almost $100. We did not negotiate too much as well, because in my experience too much of lowballing tend to get not great service. They also asking about $300 for night. 1 girl refused for BBJ, 2 had no issues and 1 asked additional 100 M.

Spa: Went to Angels Spa, there were only 2 girls and both were busy so no luck there.

Escort: I tried contacting "La Celestins" got no response via WhatsApp and Telegraph.

Will I return, yes I would love to, but I will make sure it is not close to Good Friday.

What were you thinking? Probably with the wrong head. Last thing you want is to be investigated by FISERV and get hit with Civil Asset forfiture and possible criminal charges for money laundering or pimping / sex trafficking. This is no joke man. You got lucky.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061568]For the record, I have known this young lady personally for over eight years. I possess copies of her passport, her mother's passport, and her sister's passport. When I reported the situation to my attorney, I provided all of their names, phone numbers, and passport details. I did not just provide information on the individuals making fraudulent claims; I provided comprehensive details for the young lady and her family members.

​My attorney submitted this information to the institutions holding my accounts in delinquency. Once that data was provided, my accounts were finally unfrozen.

​One thing I can testify to regarding the young lady and her family is that they have not changed their phone numbers. Whether this is due to stupidity or boldness, I cannot say; however, I can confirm their numbers remain active in my WhatsApp contacts. I have their address and all of their personal information. It is possible the Colombian authorities and the banking institutions are waiting for the right moment to actperhaps to seize the house she is currently buildingbut I have provided all the necessary documentation required to identify exactly to whom I was transferring money. PN.[/QUOTE]

Lots of police presence. They just doing there job. Stop you if the see exchanging of numbers, any interaction that seems like soliciting. Carry passport in your phone. Non Colombians they will ask for that. If they ask you what did the girl say to you. Think of anything innocent that doesn't involve soliciting. Calle 10 and Lleras Park packed. Club Glow, and club next to it packed. Gusto was not so packed. Got into there free. Its normally if my math is right 20 mil entrance. Other clubs 10 mil. Saw my gusto girl outside gusto 2 days ago. Man she has not stop texting me. I started thinking damn my dick was that good. Then she revealed she loved the way I ate pussy. I had mix feelings on that one LOL. Saw three distinguished black girls. My gusto was talking to a client but kept eyeing me. One of those girls ask for 750 an hour. Who is spoiling these girls. I hit 2 girls so far. 250 and $3. Art of buy nice cheap gifts. The $3 girl was a surprise 10/10. On the sex. We did it all. Shower together, bareback everything, passionate. Splash in her mouth. 250 was condom, no oral though. Great tits, nice slim body, beautiful tits. Could really ride. Very creative there. Pollo Negro I could live here with you. Laureles is a great neighborhood. Colombia is great. Lleras has really made me think Brazil or Colombia. I just love our Brazilians are so loving towards you. Today might be the day for a threesome or tomorrow. I have not gone crazy trying to get 3 girls a day. I guess after Sunday. Still feeling out the prices. With stocks booming I really have cash to splurge. Hard to get the tightness out of you. So far my conclusion on Colombia 5 stars but for cheapy like me. Lets keep the offers to chicas down a bit.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3061647]I could sure be wrong. I was there in October and thought it said 65.[/QUOTE]Maybe they changed it since then, because last month the sign said 62+.

I stopped by plaza Botero during my Medellin visit but there was so many damn people and sketchy in parts that all I did was walk around the sculptures for a few minutes and walked down Carabobo and back up to conejitas. But we were so intimidated and paranoid we noped out after a while.

Can someone help me "get it" so I can actually know what to do when I go back?

For one, what area does "El Centro" actually refer to, that has never been made clear to me. Is there any specific days and areas to look out for freelancers other than night time? I think I went a Saturday evening and it was so many people it took our Uber 30 minutes just to clear the street in front of conejitas. And lastly is it safe to explore south of Grieff? My Uber went north and drove thro that sketchy ass druggie area so we know not to go north.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061730]Believe it or not, I didn't have to pay my attorney a single penny. Because we keep him on retainer, resolving this issue was actually free. PN.[/QUOTE]Put me on the "I don't believe" Team.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3061763]​One thing about me is that I've never been interested in "watching someone else's pocket. " I don't care what they have or how much they spend; that's their business. Everyone has a different level of comfort. For example, I paid $15,000 cash for dental implants in Colombia and was thrilled with the work, whereas I was quoted nearly $68,000 for the same labor and cosmetic dentistry in the United States.

​With that in mind, seeing someone spend $2,000 a night partying with people they've never met doesn't strike me as weird at all.[/QUOTE]Spending large amounts in front of strangers or on strangers in Colombia clearly posts that person as a clueless newbie showing off that they have money and to please rob them. Most posts (including yours) state to blend in and keep a low profile and no jewelry. Spending $2000 USD in most places in Colombia would not be easy.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3061903]I stopped by plaza Botero during my Medellin visit but there was so many damn people and sketchy in parts that all I did was walk around the sculptures for a few minutes and walked down Carabobo and back up to conejitas. But we were so intimidated and paranoid we noped out after a while.

Can someone help me "get it" so I can actually know what to do when I go back?

For one, what area does "El Centro" actually refer to, that has never been made clear to me. Is there any specific days and areas to look out for freelancers other than night time? I think I went a Saturday evening and it was so many people it took our Uber 30 minutes just to clear the street in front of conejitas. And lastly is it safe to explore south of Grieff? My Uber went north and drove thro that sketchy ass druggie area so we know not to go north.[/QUOTE]You don't have to include Centro as part of a mongering trip. For me, I took the advice of others and ventured there only during daytime hours. So I took the Metro to the stop next to all the statues where you've already been and checked them out for a bit since it is a tourist attraction. Then with my phone in my pocket and my hand inside it securing it, I took a stroll around all the adjacent streets and saw all the freelancers hanging out. This was definitely the freelancer area of Centro but I had no intention of pulling there. It was just part of another mongering tourist element just to check it out and not more. Yes it was crowded and chaotic but that also means it was fairly safe during the daytime since there were so many regular locals around. From a mongering perspective it's just too darn crowded as too many locals were everywhere near all the freelancers anyway so there's absolutely no privacy to have any chitchats with the girls anyways.

From that area I actually walked away from this busy area back to the main road where the Metro line is and walked about 10 minutes up to New Life casa which is a much better area in my opinion and did my session there. So for me the freelancer part of Centro was more of a touristy thing since I had no intention of pulling there. 95% of the girls there were fat or ugly anyway. As long as I kept my phone and cash secured and walked through that area without stopping, there were no issues.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;3061920]Put me on the "I don't believe" Team.

Spending large amounts in front of strangers or on strangers in Colombia clearly posts that person as a clueless newbie showing off that they have money and to please rob them. Most posts (including yours) state to blend in and keep a low profile and no jewelry. Spending $2000 USD in most places in Colombia would not be easy.[/QUOTE]If you never tell anyone you're carrying cash, who would ever know? The day I paid my dentist for my implants, he actually closed his office, called a security guard, and had the guard escort him to the bank to deposit the money I'd given him. Although the entire procedure took approximately eight months, he was paid in full, in cash, all at once.

I do very well in my line of work. As a six-figure earner, I have never been careless with my finances; I've made smart investments that have yielded great returns. Consequently, I avoid going anywhere I shouldn't, and I try to stay away from unfamiliar areas.

​I won't claim that no one has ever taken advantage of me—that would be a lie—but now that I have a better understanding of Medellin, I know which areas to visit and which to avoid. I also agree with your point: I make it a rule never to carry more than 2 million pesos in cash. It's a far cry from eight years ago, when I used to walk around with $15,000 in my pocket. PN.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3061903]I stopped by plaza Botero during my Medellin visit but there was so many damn people and sketchy in parts that all I did was walk around the sculptures for a few minutes and walked down Carabobo and back up to conejitas. But we were so intimidated and paranoid we noped out after a while...Can someone help me "get it" so I can actually know what to do when I go back?
For one, what area does "El Centro" actually refer to, that has never been made clear to me.[/QUOTE]

I used to enjoy meandering around El Centro in the afternoon, more for a little seedy visual titillation than any real hope of finding the oft touted here on ISG "diamond in the rough". Seems "One man's diamond is another man's coal. " Is that a proverb?

For chica sightseeing purposes I would define El Centro into three slightly distinct subareas:

1. Plaza Botero itself along with the Avenida Carabobo pedestrian approach to the Plaze by the church between Calles 51 and 52 (the Plaza well worth visiting for itself: the Botero Statues, the Museo de Antioqui, the Palacio de la Cultura Rafael Uribe). It's mostly populated with tourists and locals seeing the sights, but with a sprinkling of working girls here and there in the plaza or lingering on the short pedestrian street leading to it along side the church. Some ISG posters have also reported success picking up (on a P4P basis) the chica vendors selling drinks and snacks in and about the Plaza.

2. Carrera 53 between Calles 51 and 52, along with the short blocks on Calles 51 and 52 between the Plaza / Avenida Carabobo and Carrera 53, with the action centered on the corner of Carrera 53 and Calle 51. This is by far the seediest stretch of El Centro, quite crowded with vehicles and pedestrians, a fair number of drunks / druggies / beggars, numerous (mostly scuzzy) working girls on the street, in door ways, and seated in the open to the street bars that line the street. As I recall, the heaviest concentration of transvestites loiter on the Calle 51/52 short blocks and around the small church. Thiis subarea is the least comfortable of the three for scouting chicas if you are on the squeamish side.

3. Avenida de Grieff / Raudal Corner: Primarily the far side of Avenida de Grieff across from Plaza Botero as it extends fromthe Hotel Nutibara to the Raudal Corner at Avenida de Grieff and Carrera 54 Ccuta. Here I would also include the side streets between Grieff and Calle 54 (a block each of Carreras 54,53, 52 A and Avenida Carabobo). On these streets you won't find many street walkers, but there are a number of bars wide open to the sidewalk with working girls waiting inside as well as several nightclubs, notably Conejitos Grill, Taberna Hilton, and Grill Occidental but also a number of other more hole-in-the-wall, cellar joints (most all with at least some afternoon activity). I've always found this area (on Avenida de Grieff itself and the side streets between there and Calle 54) perfectly comfortable for walking about during daytime and (unwisely perhaps) even on a few occasions at night. Just a mix of locals going about their business and a fair number of fruit and other street vendors on some blocks, but perhaps not the place for someone who doesn't feel reasonably streetwise.

Despite numerous visits to the El Centro streetwalking scene, I have only sessioned with a street chica there once and that was a disappointment. That said, I have found the rare gem of a keeper at the El Centro night clubs, especially Barra Ejecutiva, but that too seems to have declined in quality over the past year or so.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3061903]I stopped by plaza Botero during my Medellin visit but there was so many damn people and sketchy in parts that all I did was walk around the sculptures for a few minutes and walked down Carabobo and back up to conejitas. But we were so intimidated and paranoid we noped out after a while.[/QUOTE]Paranoid about what? Nobody is paying attention to you and neither do they give a shit about you being there.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3061903]Is there any specific days and areas to look out for freelancers other than night time?[/QUOTE]Anytime is the right time. Although I find it best after dark. After about 1 am you are pretty much wasting your time though. The place (Degrieff) is thinning out by then. Botero goes down to nothing way before that. So I will say from noon to midnight for the entire area.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3061903]And lastly is it safe to explore south of Grieff?[/QUOTE]There is nothing there to explore unless you just like walking around on empty streets.

I have posted this in Cartagena thread as well, thought ill post this here. After reading the reports, I am torn between going to Cartagena or Medellin. Brothels, strip clubs, etc probably are the same in both places but what I want to evaluate from safety perspective is walking down old city in Cartagena and pickup some cuties at night or doing the same in Parque ill. In Medellin. Unfortunately, Medellin has been in news for lots of tourist mishaps. Can the experts here suggest where to go for my upcoming trip?

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3062000]I used to enjoy meandering around El Centro in the afternoon, more for a little seedy visual titillation than any real hope of finding the oft touted here on ISG "diamond in the rough". Seems "One man's diamond is another man's coal. " Is that a proverb?

....Despite numerous visits to the El Centro streetwalking scene, I have only sessioned with a street chica there once and that was a disappointment. That said, I have found the rare gem of a keeper at the El Centro night clubs, especially Barra Ejecutiva, but that too seems to have declined in quality over the past year or so.[/QUOTE]My approach and experience has been the same. When I would go, El Centro was just at night to the clubs. There was Barra Ejecutiva, and one next to it that didn't make it through Covid. Just a couple blocks away you have the Grille and a couple others. In years past you would have attractive girls come in from Cali, Pereira, Manizales, etc. For a few weeks to make some $$ but those days seem to have passed, or they just go to Fase II.

Angeles, energy, new life. Thumbs down. Conjeitas, nueva grill, centro thumbs down. Tinder definitely a winner. Girlfriend experience, cum in the mouth without upcharge. Lleras Park definitely a winner even with police and security presence. Paid 400 k plus transport for lleras Park chica. 7 status I think, head game was sick. I gave her a dick beat down and she took it with pleasure. Previous girl was big surprise. She is going to be part 1 of the threesome tonight. Amazing girl friendly skills. Laureles love the neighborhood. Don't hesitate to come to Colombia. Wonderful place. Lleras Park is way better than Sosua.

Better than Sosúa. You really set the bar low.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3062176]Angeles, energy, new life. Thumbs down. Conjeitas, nueva grill, centro thumbs down. Tinder definitely a winner. Girlfriend experience, cum in the mouth without upcharge. Lleras Park definitely a winner even with police and security presence. Paid 400 k plus transport for lleras Park chica. 7 status I think, head game was sick. I gave her a dick beat down and she took it with pleasure. Previous girl was big surprise. She is going to be part 1 of the threesome tonight. Amazing girl friendly skills. Laureles love the neighborhood. Don't hesitate to come to Colombia. Wonderful place. Lleras Park is way better than Sosua.[/QUOTE]

But over the years I think that's been the rival comparison.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3062236]Better than Sosa. You really set the bar low.[/QUOTE]

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Since I only have 5 days left. I decided to splurge. This girl was quite patient with my many questions and request. Tinder and WhatsApp pic was okay so I decided to reward her 400 k. Shortly after I arranged the appointment. Gusto750 k girl decided to come down to the 400 k. I really want this girl she's my first choice. But I am a man of my word so kept the appointment with tinder. Very timely girl. Arrived with the best body so far. After giving her a massage she let me take a few photos. I am tempted to share. Unfortunately for my standards the performance wasn't quite up to my standards. There was no passionate kissing and no lustful kind of sex. She was a willing dick sucker. We showered together. The backshot, she made movements like she was preserving the pussy for more clients. Pussy was tight, she was good with affectionate touches. I nutted on titties after 1 hour 30 minutes. Then had her give me a back massage cause I have had some issues there. It was a very good thorough massage. Her body and massage made it worth 400 k. Head wasn't bad either. Gusto750 wants it tonight. But I think I need recovery time. I mentally fucked her so I think she's got the cravings. Stay tune.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3062176]Angeles, energy, new life. Thumbs down. Conjeitas, nueva grill, centro thumbs down. Tinder definitely a winner. Girlfriend experience, cum in the mouth without upcharge. Lleras Park definitely a winner even with police and security presence. Paid 400 k plus transport for lleras Park chica. 7 status I think, head game was sick. I gave her a dick beat down and she took it with pleasure. Previous girl was big surprise. She is going to be part 1 of the threesome tonight. Amazing girl friendly skills. Laureles love the neighborhood. Don't hesitate to come to Colombia. Wonderful place. Lleras Park is way better than Sosua.[/QUOTE]Wow. Not hard to beat Sosua LOL. I haven't been there since 2014. I found Tinder to have gotten sketchy since 2021 or so. Watch your dinks!

Actually the visitor cannot leave without the person of the apartment. Rule is you come down together. While being drugged does happen. I think its over hyped, even violence against tourist. I walked from new life to Centro, call me crazy or using my skin color to my advantage, but I felt more startle than afraid. By the way early years at Sosua I was tittie drugged and removed of my thousand dollar chain. So thanks for the reminder.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3062379]Wow. Not hard to beat Sosua LOL. I haven't been there since 2014. I found Tinder to have gotten sketchy since 2021 or so. Watch your dinks![/QUOTE]

I rarely post anymore, but I do read what's on here from time to time. I saw the writing on the wall back in 2021 when the influx of gringos started coming in more than ever before. It didn't affect me as I don't hang out in the Poblado / Laureles areas. The ever-increasing prices and restrictions in terms of chicas and accommodations didn't affect me either as I bought my own place up north away gringos a few years back. My style is different than most posters here since I like to drink, do the pink, and party with the chicas. Don't do what I do, but I will not stop what I love to do. Tussi is best with the pussy in a jacuzzi hehe. A girl made a custom shirt that said "No Tussi, No Pussy". I said, not on my watch haha.

My rotation of chicas change over time, but mostly I get references from the girls I already know. It's a hit or miss and when I hit it's usually a home run, but when I miss it's a big swing into thin air. I don't compromise with my demands as I want no condom sex and blowjob and time of at least 2 hours or more. I pay 200-250 k each girl and they stay for hours as I like to party and they do as well obvio hehe. Most of the time, I have to kick them out, so I can recover before my next adventure. If it's a nighttime date, and I'm down to go hard, we'll party till the sun comes out and even into the afternoon, I'm like gawdamn, at that time I had to tap out. These are not hard core pros, as they do not yet know their worth, and enjoy making extra money while going to school or working a minimum wage job.

In a way, I end up paying about 300 k a girl if you include the partying costs (tussi / alcohol) since I can't fuck a girl unless we party it up first. That for me makes it more fun and that's how I usually get no condom and 2 pops without even asking.

For reference, I'm a Chino, in my 40's, but look like in my 30's so I don't blend in physically speaking. But I speak fluent Spanish, understand and respect the culture, and love to hang out in the barrios. I have partied with paisa families out on the local streets of Manrique, Aranjuez, and Castilla, to name a few. I enjoy the barrio party scene, especially during Christmas season, super fun! No gringos to be found, and I still get the X factor looks from locals since I'm the only Asian guy partying up in their barrio. And it's the best and easiest way to meet non-pro hotties as grandmas and grandmamas be introducing me to their granddaughters and grandnieces.

BTW, yes I do know the risks of drinking and partying with chicas, but I don't use any apps or pick them out on the streets, I have my own way of vetting, which isn't perfect, but has worked so far (knock on wood). One of my party friends who does the same thing said we both not going to make it to 50, and I said you probably right haha. I partied enough so far that could fill 2 lifetimes for most people. Tomorrow is not promised, so it's party time! Hehe.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3062387]Actually the visitor cannot leave without the person of the apartment. Rule is you come down together. While being drugged does happen. I think its over hyped, even violence against tourist. I walked from new life to Centro, call me crazy or using my skin color to my advantage, but I felt more startle than afraid. By the way early years at Sosua I was tittie drugged and removed of my thousand dollar chain. So thanks for the reminder.[/QUOTE]The walk from New Life to many parts of el Centro is fine during daylight hours.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3062523]I rarely post anymore, but I do read what's on here from time to time. I saw the writing on the wall back in 2021 when the influx of gringos started coming in more than ever before. It didn't affect me as I don't hang out in the Poblado / Laureles areas. The ever-increasing prices and restrictions in terms of chicas and accommodations didn't affect me either as I bought my own place up north away gringos a few years back. My style is different than most posters here since I like to drink, do the pink, and party with the chicas. Don't do what I do, but I will not stop what I love to do. Tussi is best with the pussy in a jacuzzi hehe. A girl made a custom shirt that said "No Tussi, No Pussy". I said, not on my watch haha.[/QUOTE]What estrado do you live in?

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3061742]Yes, I am serious. I don't see women who do meets by the "hour."[/QUOTE]You'll be lucky if she doesn't charge you $1000 here in the states. Why do you think they all craving that tourist visa? To come charge the same prices than in Medellin? LOL. Those who can't get a visa to USA, go to Panama and start charging $200 usd, that's their backup plan. That means paying 400 k cop in Medellin, you've been spoiling them already, and lotta people been telling y'all, since they found out gringos in general are desperate (unspoken truth), thus they can't get away from something they have hard time getting in their home countries. They Know that, and leverage it well. Let's see how it turns out when they build that mall close to Parque l. Maybe the end of that Park.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3062523]My rotation of chicas change over time, but mostly I get references from the girls I already know. It's a hit or miss and when I hit it's usually a home run, but when I miss it's a big swing into thin air. I don't compromise with my demands as I want no condom sex and blowjob and time of at least 2 hours or more. I pay 200-250 k each girl and they stay for hours as I like to party and they do as well obvio hehe. Most of the time, I have to kick them out, so I can recover before my next adventure. If it's a nighttime date, and I'm down to go hard, we'll party till the sun comes out and even into the afternoon, I'm like gawdamn, at that time I had to tap out. These are not hard core pros, as they do not yet know their worth, and enjoy making extra money while going to school or working a minimum wage job.[/QUOTE]I never thought I would find one woman to satisfy my needs and thought I would be living your lifestyle, RR, but yeah, this is how you do it. It is very rare that women in financial need will not be down to fuck for $ even in the USA. I would have been much more aggressive with attractive civilians in Colombia if I were single again.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3062523]For reference, I'm a Chino, in my 40's, but look like in my 30's so I don't blend in physically speaking. But I speak fluent Spanish, understand and respect the culture, and love to hang out in the barrios. I have partied with paisa families out on the local streets of Manrique, Aranjuez, and Castilla, to name a few. I enjoy the barrio party scene, especially during Christmas season, super fun! No gringos to be found, and I still get the X factor looks from locals since I'm the only Asian guy partying up in their barrio. And it's the best and easiest way to meet non-pro hotties as grandmas and grandmamas be introducing me to their granddaughters and grandnieces.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yeah, a lot of these Colombian families are fucked up. I have not met a Colombian guy who has not fucked around his wife. The legitimate children are friends with the bastard children which I thought was kind of weird.

Of all my gal's daughter's friends, the hottest one was probably a ballerina. If you like spinners, she was a 10 type for you for sure. Thing is the mom of this kid is fucking bat shit crazy, and she has treated her daughter not like a person but like a cupie doll. The last photo I saw of her she was skin and bones and obviously anorexic. It was a photo that caused me pain.

A lot of people say that we men are preying on these young women. Well, I wish this ballerina had a nice sugar daddy who would take her out, show her a good time, and fatten her up. This whole notion that women are always doing what is best for their kids is something I just don't buy.

So yeah, I definitely could see grandparents pushing their kids to be sugar baby types, and they should. I know Colombian women are famed from their materialism but you should hear what my gal's daughter and friends say. They are teenagers and when I saw some athletic Colombian guys and I joked with them about having them as boyfriends, both were like, "Yeah, we are not interested in them. They have no money. " And I would be shocked if both these girls are not virgins.

So if you leave behind the Colombian hookers and the American conditioning, RR, you and I are proof that men who may not get a second glance from American women can kill it and get the best women Colombia has to offer.

[URL]https://tantramedellin.com/[/URL]

Is this truly a Tantra massage place or it is just in the name? I take that real Tantra massage is more sensual. Anyone have any experience of this place?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;3062543]What estrado do you live in?[/QUOTE]Estrato 4. It's walking distance to metro line and a local mall. I like to hang out in the barrios, but doesn't mean I'll live in one. My apt is always stocked up, close to lots of local bars / restaurants, and comes with a great high rise view of the mountains / buildings. Whenever I walk outside and take a scroll, I don't see any gringos. I can't ask for more. Just imagine Laureles back in 2010.

[QUOTE=BlackPantherXX;3062549]You'll be lucky if she doesn't charge you $1000 here in the states. Why do you think they all craving that tourist visa? To come charge the same prices than in Medellin? LOL. Those who can't get a visa to USA, go to Panama and start charging $200 usd, that's their backup plan. That means paying 400 k cop in Medellin, you've been spoiling them already, and lotta people been telling y'all, since they found out gringos in general are desperate (unspoken truth), thus they can't get away from something they have hard time getting in their home countries. They Know that, and leverage it well. Let's see how it turns out when they build that mall close to Parque l. Maybe the end of that Park.[/QUOTE]Gringos are stupid. It's a buyers market not a sellers market. You don't need sex, you want sex. They need money. Once you make them understand the difference between a need and a want, you can bargain better. Most gringos are desperate. I look at a lot of them and say yea, you would have s hard time buying pussy in your country. Some have no social skills.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3062523]I rarely post anymore, but I do read what's on here from time to time. I saw the writing on the wall back in 2021 when the influx of gringos started coming in more than ever before. It didn't affect me as I don't hang out in the Poblado / Laureles areas. The ever-increasing prices and restrictions in terms of chicas and accommodations didn't affect me either as I bought my own place up north away gringos a few years back. My style is different than most posters here since I like to drink, do the pink, and party with the chicas. Don't do what I do, but I will not stop what I love to do. Tussi is best with the pussy in a jacuzzi hehe. A girl made a custom shirt that said "No Tussi, No Pussy". I said, not on my watch haha.

My rotation of chicas change over time, but mostly I get references from the girls I already know. It's a hit or miss and when I hit it's usually a home run, but when I miss it's a big swing into thin air. I don't compromise with my demands as I want no condom sex and blowjob and time of at least 2 hours or more. I pay 200-250 k each girl and they stay for hours as I like to party and they do as well obvio hehe. Most of the time, I have to kick them out, so I can recover before my next adventure. If it's a nighttime date, and I'm down to go hard, we'll party till the sun comes out and even into the afternoon, I'm like gawdamn, at that time I had to tap out. These are not hard core pros, as they do not yet know their worth, and enjoy making extra money while going to school or working a minimum wage job.

In a way, I end up paying about 300 k a girl if you include the partying costs (tussi / alcohol) since I can't fuck a girl unless we party it up first. That for me makes it more fun and that's how I usually get no condom and 2 pops without even asking.

For reference, I'm a Chino, in my 40's, but look like in my 30's so I don't blend in physically speaking. But I speak fluent Spanish, understand and respect the culture, and love to hang out in the barrios. I have partied with paisa families out on the local streets of Manrique, Aranjuez, and Castilla, to name a few. I enjoy the barrio party scene, especially during Christmas season, super fun! No gringos to be found, and I still get the X factor looks from locals since I'm the only Asian guy partying up in their barrio. And it's the best and easiest way to meet non-pro hotties as grandmas and grandmamas be introducing me to their granddaughters and grandnieces.

BTW, yes I do know the risks of drinking and partying with chicas, but I don't use any apps or pick them out on the streets, I have my own way of vetting, which isn't perfect, but has worked so far (knock on wood). One of my party friends who does the same thing said we both not going to make it to 50, and I said you probably right haha. I partied enough so far that could fill 2 lifetimes for most people. Tomorrow is not promised, so it's party time! Hehe.[/QUOTE]That's the way to go! I have a similar set up. I don't do street meat. I only meet them from Facebook where I can see their lifestyle. Ones I befriend them I request their friends and family and once I fuck one of them, it opens the doors for the others. It has worked for me all the time. I've really fucked more than 100 chics from Facebook and I usually only pay them 200 k, more if it's anal. Non pros are the best. You can have that GFE if you choose with them.

[QUOTE=Blakman;3062364]Since I only have 5 days left. I decided to splurge. This girl was quite patient with my many questions and request. Tinder and WhatsApp pic was okay so I decided to reward her 400 k. Shortly after I arranged the appointment. Gusto750 k girl decided to come down to the 400 k. I really want this girl she's my first choice. But I am a man of my word so kept the appointment with tinder. Very timely girl. Arrived with the best body so far. After giving her a massage she let me take a few photos. I am tempted to share. Unfortunately for my standards the performance wasn't quite up to my standards. There was no passionate kissing and no lustful kind of sex. She was a willing dick sucker. We showered together. The backshot, she made movements like she was preserving the pussy for more clients. Pussy was tight, she was good with affectionate touches. I nutted on titties after 1 hour 30 minutes. Then had her give me a back massage cause I have had some issues there. It was a very good thorough massage. Her body and massage made it worth 400 k. Head wasn't bad either. Gusto750 wants it tonight. But I think I need recovery time. I mentally fucked her so I think she's got the cravings. Stay tune.[/QUOTE]I always laugh when peeps over spend and then end of up having horrible sex. That's why you pay them 200 k and then TIP THEM IF IT'S GOOD. They have no incentive to perform when you are giving them so much money. Funny how people think because a female is a 10 and they pay more that they are going to get good service. Truly a dumb concept. SMH.

[QUOTE=MisterJam;3062818]Gringos are stupid. It's a buyers market not a sellers market. You don't need sex, you want sex. They need money. Once you make them understand the difference between a need and a want, you can bargain better. Most gringos are desperate. I look at a lot of them and say yea, you would have s hard time buying pussy in your country. Some have no social skills.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCMU8UyFB0g[/URL]

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[QUOTE=MisterJam;3062821]I always laugh when peeps over spend and then end of up having horrible sex. That's why you pay them 200 k and then TIP THEM IF IT'S GOOD. They have no incentive to perform when you are giving them so much money. Funny how people think because a female is a 10 and they pay more that they are going to get good service. Truly a dumb concept. SMH.[/QUOTE].
You do you, but as a short time visitor I've met very few freelance girls that I'm attracted to who consider 200 k (I. E. $55) in the past 5 years. To be candid, most would be offended as they have regular jobs and spend a lot of money on their upkeep. They also have other guys competing for their attention. I'm a nice guy, but why would they settle? If a girl very willingly goes for 200 k, how many guys are really interested in her? How attractive is she?

Getting to the point, maybe the original poster needs to quickly find a more traditionally attractive girl who takes care of herself, had work done, goes to gym, etc. Good for him. I too have limited time and am willing to pay up for the looks. If the performance matches the looks, then she may become a favorita. On the other hand, there are many guys here that just need a hole. And that can easily be had for 200 k, or much less in Centro. They are quantity over quality. I prefer the reverse... quality over quantity as my time is valuable.

Obviously if you live there and have ample time to build a 'cost effective' rotation things are different. Suerte to all.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3062837]I'm a nice guy, but why would they settle? [/QUOTE]Why is that your concern?

That's the question they should be asking themselves and determining the financial parameters that make sense to them. It's not your job to beg the question for them and raise the bar because you think it makes you look better in their eyes. It just makes you look like a even bigger mark and ruins the equilibrium for everyone else.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3062853]Why is that your concern?

That's the question they should be asking themselves and determining the financial parameters that make sense to them. It's not your job to beg the question for them and raise the bar because you think it makes you look better in their eyes. It just makes you look like a even bigger mark and ruins the equilibrium for everyone else.[/QUOTE]I do not know if they will settle or not, but it sure does not hurt to find out. Just like when I recently bought my motorcycle. I told dude I would pay $3000 less than he wanted. He said he could not go lower than $2000 less. He could have not settled, but asking saved me $2000. Same when I sold my bike. I moved the price $500 higher than I was willing to take, in order to give someone room to talk me down. So when dude offered me $200 less than what I was asking, it was all good.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3062837]
You do you, but as a short time visitor I've met very few freelance girls that I'm attracted to who consider 200 k (I. E. $55) in the past 5 years. To be candid, most would be offended [/QUOTE]During my current visit to Medellin, I am finding quite a few chicas who get offended at offers of even 400 k for anything more than an hour. And many of them are setting their starting price at 500 k and above for just 1 hour.

Fortunately, I have found enough who will give me everything I want for 2 hours in the 350 k to 450 k price range. And one who was happy with 300 k for 2 hours, and another one who is coming over tonight for toda-la-noche for 750 k.

I would be very interested to know where / how one can find good chicas for less than 300 k who aren't Centro crack-hoes. I guess I need to start going to block parties in the hood and meet abuelitas who will introduce me to their granddaughters.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3062937]During my current visit to Medellin, I am finding quite a few chicas who get offended at offers of even 400 k for anything more than an hour. And many of them are setting their starting price at 500 k and above for just 1 hour.

Fortunately, I have found enough who will give me everything I want for 2 hours in the 350 k to 450 k price range. And one who was happy with 300 k for 2 hours, and another one who is coming over tonight for toda-la-noche for 750 k.

I would be very interested to know where / how one can find good chicas for less than 300 k who aren't Centro crack-hoes. I guess I need to start going to block parties in the hood and meet abuelitas who will introduce me to their granddaughters.[/QUOTE]These girls have been conditioned to act as they by gringos who treat them like they do American hookers. How much for an hour? Any civilian you meet outside of the park or P4P does not think like that. Any time I hear of time limitations it turns me off.

I prefer "non-working" girls who do not think that way. I don't need long visits nor do I desire "toda la noche" with a stranger. So, if you walk into the park you are going to find many girls who quote you prices you deem high.

I really like the park but I don't go there to pull chicas. That's not to say that you can't have a good experience there. But, there's less opportunity to haggle over price than with a civilian.

I said 400 k was just not up to my standards where girls lose all awareness in trying to please me. On my trip, I have paid 250 k ok. $3 us dollars tinder. Blazing. 200 k twice tinder blazing. 3 200 k from Lleras park leche papi poco dinero scams. Gusto girl twice 300 k blazing. 2 Lleras park 400 k for 2 hrs blazing. So there's your science. Now its time to go home. I am a happy man.

[QUOTE=MisterJam;3062821]I always laugh when peeps over spend and then end of up having horrible sex. That's why you pay them 200 k and then TIP THEM IF IT'S GOOD. They have no incentive to perform when you are giving them so much money. Funny how people think because a female is a 10 and they pay more that they are going to get good service. Truly a dumb concept. SMH.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3062937]

I would be very interested to know where / how one can find good chicas for less than 300 k who aren't Centro crack-hoes. I guess I need to start going to block parties in the hood and meet abuelitas who will introduce me to their granddaughters.[/QUOTE]Live there or do extended visits.

I was wasting time before my flight. So I checked out Barra Ejecutiva maybe misspelled. But it was okay lots of girls in there. Some of quality, some not. Went to Lleras park to conclude my trip. Had a fabulous session with Gusto girl earlier and at 61 the norm is one session unfortunately. Glow was fiyah. The girls in there are hot. I mean hot. Its more consistent than Gusto.

Started talking to this FB chica on WhatsApp to arrange all night fun. We agreed on 600.000 COL+taxi for 9 pm to 7 am, and all the things I wanted to do, which she happily agreed. She arrives on time as planned. We re-confirm the terms and comes the surprise; she expected 600 USD. We went back to our WhatsApp discussions; turns out indeed, the translation had turned 600 dollars. Luckily, she agreed to do 350.000 for a couple of hours of stay plus the 25.000 COL I had already paid for taxi. Lesson learned. Don't rely on this-makes-life-easy technology solution. The conversation was flying and WhatsApp was translating spot on except in this most important message.

To be honest, I consider myself lucky to have started coming to MDE over 10 years ago. Wish I did it even sooner. If I was a first time MDE traveler post-2021, it goes without saying my experience and expectations would be totally different and it'll take me much longer to get out the gringo bubble and pricing. Actually, I probably might still be stuck in it and accept it as the status quo. I started venturing out the Poblado bubble back in 2015, so it didn't take me long to go straight into the lion's den (barrios and up North) and I came out stronger and happier.

Yes, Medellin right now is overrun and overrated. It sucks for the people who have known it that way. Unfortunately, it will only get worse. For me though, I'm still having a blast and when I leave and come back, it just gets better and better. I have already put in years of hard work, research, vetting, failures and successes.

Looking back, during my first trip to MDE over 10 years ago, I made many typical rookie mistakes. Most of them at the same time! I never got drugged, but was drunk and high and too dumb to notice shit was stolen. I had my new iPhone and most of my cash stolen within 4 hours of landing, must be a MDE rookie record hehe. All I could do was to laugh it off and learn from it. That was the first and last time I'll let that happen. I still had a great and memorable short term trip, capping off partying with a bunch of Mansion girls at club Fahrenheit when Nicky Jam was doing a special concert at the time when he started revitalizing his career in Medallo. And the rest is history.

Rice rocket, great report and thanks for letting all of us know that Bello, a little town north of Medellin, is now the "cool go to" place.

We will all be checking it out as soon as possible.

Isn't there some walkable area with all the sweet non pro easy going chicas hang out? I forget the name.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3063248]To be honest, I consider myself lucky to have started coming to MDE over 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3063069]"Live and let live" is an idiom advocating for mutual tolerance, acceptance, and non-interference in the lifestyles, beliefs, and behaviors of others. It encourages focusing on one's own life while allowing others the freedom to live theirs, fostering peaceful coexistence.

That seems to be a good concept to push for on this board.

There is a lot of snide comments when some feel that others are paying too much as if it will change anyone's behavior or that it will affect the behavior of others in the future.
If anything, it might not be the price that they would accept from a short term visitor because I am here for a while.[/QUOTE]Discussing what one pays, in addition to thoughts on pussy, restaurants, tourist attractions, etc, is what people do on sites like this.

Of course one can pay whatever they want to. Discussion here is simply that, discussion.

[QUOTE=Combo;3063290]Discussing what one pays, in addition to thoughts on pussy, restaurants, tourist attractions, etc, is what people do on sites like this.

Of course one can pay whatever they want to. Discussion here is simply that, discussion.[/QUOTE]It is one thing to have a civil discussion about prices. It is another thing to call people simps, suckers, idiots, retards, and the like when you disagree on how much you think they should pay as if you are the one who decides what the going rate should be. That type of "discussion" actually discourages others from sharing what they pay.

[QUOTE=Combo;3063290]Discussing what one pays, in addition to thoughts on pussy, restaurants, tourist attractions, etc, is what people do on sites like this.

Of course one can pay whatever they want to. Discussion here is simply that, discussion.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. These forums should be about info sharing only, not on political views nor pushing their own personalities and opinions. Just report intel and each of us are capable of using it the way it suits our individual travelling and mongering styles.

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;3063273]Rice rocket, great report and thanks for letting all of us know that Bello, a little town north of Medellin, is now the "cool go to" place.

We will all be checking it out as soon as possible.

Isn't there some walkable area with all the sweet non pro easy going chicas hang out? I forget the name.[/QUOTE]That is where a lot of the girls live but for most mongers it is not the place that you want to hang out unless you want to be robbed. They will be on social media and they will travel to you. Most of the girls on social media are from Bello. That is how it usually works.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3062937]I would be very interested to know where / how one can find good chicas for less than 300 k who aren't Centro crack-hoes. I guess I need to start going to block parties in the hood and meet abuelitas who will introduce me to their granddaughters.[/QUOTE]Go to some of the massage places. Those girls get a couple hundred K for extras, so are more reasonable. Try out the various girls you like (different days) and the ones who you like and click with, get their WhatsApp number and ask them out. Free dinner, good time, they are more likely to be happy with $300 k tip. Even a hard working girl likes a nice night out.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3063248]I started venturing out the Poblado bubble back in 2015, so it didn't take me long to go straight into the lion's den (barrios and up North) and I came out stronger and happier.[/QUOTE]I am also nowadays hanging out in Bello when I visit MDE, though I still stay in Centro. Never again in Laureles, its too loud and attracts the kind of people from home who I don't want to run into.

But yet to find any strip clubs or casas in Bello, any intel would really help.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3063377]That is where a lot of the girls live but for most mongers it is not the place that you want to hang out unless you want to be robbed. They will be on social media and they will travel to you. Most of the girls on social media are from Bello. That is how it usually works.[/QUOTE]I stayed at the mde mansion in Poblado many a time. Seems like 80% or so of the chicas that came there to mingle were from Bello. Any time I mentioned coming out to Bello they always discouraged me for safety reasons.

[QUOTE=Shemp;3063437]I stayed at the mde mansion in Poblado many a time. Seems like 80% or so of the chicas that came there to mingle were from Bello. Any time I mentioned coming out to Bello they always discouraged me for safety reasons.[/QUOTE]I second this as I recall one past favourite girl I met at the Mansion told me the same thing that Bello is not a place where foreigners should visit as there is a high risk of kidnappings there.

A lot of price discussions lately. I guess there is something for everyone. One can pay 50 k in el centro, 80-130 k in the casas, and on dating sites anything between 250 k and open end I guess.

Saying that, would you experienced guys say that 450 k, bareback, for a young stunning 10 is reasonable? That's what I'm paying, problem is I like here a lot and going to see her regularly. Haggling failed and well going to cry later, back home haha.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3063394]Go to some of the massage places. Those girls get a couple hundred K for extras, so are more reasonable. Try out the various girls you like (different days) and the ones who you like and click with, get their WhatsApp number and ask them out. Free dinner, good time, they are more likely to be happy with $300 k tip. Even a hard working girl likes a nice night out.[/QUOTE]First time here in Medellin. Do you have recommendations of good message places? How do you find them? I am having difficulty finding any one, have been here for a week. Seriously need some help.

To whoever suggested I check out Carulla: I really appreciate it. That store had everything I was looking for! I finally found the sweet potatoes I needed and even actual yellow lemons. That information was a godsend; thank you so very much.

​When you live in Medellin, it's easy to get wrapped up in how beautiful the women are; the culture and the overall experience are exceptional. Being able to traverse the city from one end to the other is amazing. But for me, the best part of living in 'Medallo' right now is the balance: waking up to cook a Southern meal—complete with potato salad, a rack of ribs, and sweet potato pie—and enjoying it alongside the incredible company here. This experience is unbelievable; I absolutely love this place. PN.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3063515]A lot of price discussions lately. I guess there is something for everyone. One can pay 50 k in el centro, 80-130 k in the casas, and on dating sites anything between 250 k and open end I guess.

Saying that, would you experienced guys say that 450 k, bareback, for a young stunning 10 is reasonable? That's what I'm paying, problem is I like here a lot and going to see her regularly. Haggling failed and well going to cry later, back home haha.[/QUOTE]Not going to comment on that price, but I'd be careful about developing feelings for a working girl. If that's what you're saying.

[QUOTE=RayClosure22;3063527]First time here in Medellin. Do you have recommendations of good message places? How do you find them? I am having difficulty finding any one, have been here for a week. Seriously need some help.[/QUOTE]Go to the RioSur Mall in Poblado. There are 3 or 4 massage establishments in there. You will get a legit massage & will need to negotiate with the masajista for any extras you may desire.

So anyway, back to Bello, that little town north of Medellin full of girls.

MoonShot and RiceRocket, what is the name of that walking street right in center of Bello?

It might remind our European visitors of the Rambla in Barcelona, very cool, you really have to check it out.

[QUOTE=Shemp;3063437]I stayed at the mde mansion in Poblado many a time. Seems like 80% or so of the chicas that came there to mingle were from Bello. Any time I mentioned coming out to Bello they always discouraged me for safety reasons.[/QUOTE]While many girls are truly from there, historically I also found that some girls would say that so that you gave them more for their taxi ride (I. E. Greater distance more $$, and it wasn't unusual for a friend to drive them, or they take the metro). With the advent of Uber, and me arranging the girls rides, I found that many more were located in Laureles, Boston, and adjacent neighborhoods. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3063603]While many girls are truly from there, historically I also found that some girls would say that so that you gave them more for their taxi ride (I. E. Greater distance more $$, and it wasn't unusual for a friend to drive them, or they take the metro). With the advent of Uber, and me arranging the girls rides, I found that many more were located in Laureles, Boston, and adjacent neighborhoods. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Haha! That mirrors my experience. Even a few from the areas south of the city proper -- Itagui, Sabaneta, La Estrella.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3063515]Saying that, would you experienced guys say that 450 k, bareback, for a young stunning 10 is reasonable? That's what I'm paying, problem is I like here a lot and going to see her regularly. Haggling failed and well going to cry later, back home haha.[/QUOTE]

Yes, 450 k is what I pay for 2 hours with the sweet curvy cutie who gives me bareback without even having to ask for it.

Looks like you got yourself one too, I hope it's not the same chica, LOL. (mine also has me crushing hard on her)

I've got another one in Bogota, a beautiful 19 yo BBW who really aims to please, and gives me 2 hours bareback full service with CIP for 250 k. That's for outcalls to meet me at a love motel (and I pay for her taxis of course.) Last year when she was working at a casa, I was paying her 220 k for 1 hour there (150 for the standard hour rate +50 for BBBJ +20 tip because she was giving me BBFS CIP for free).

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3063394]Go to some of the massage places. Those girls get a couple hundred K for extras, so are more reasonable. Try out the various girls you like (different days) and the ones who you like and click with, get their WhatsApp number and ask them out. Free dinner, good time, they are more likely to be happy with $300 k tip. Even a hard working girl likes a nice night out.[/QUOTE]Great idea, man, thanks for the tip. That has worked out well for me with my favorites at casas in Bogota, and with a chongo chica in Lima.

When you say "massage places", do you mean casas like New Life, etc? Or do you mean legit massage places?

The other day, I was in Centro to do some shopping and check out the Palacio National art gallery (it's great!) I saw a lot of cute shop-girls on the streets and in the commercial centers. I have a feeling that if I spent some time there running game during the day, there could be plenty of these civilian chicas easily up for P4 P or dates. "semi-pro" is the term that veterans in the Dominican Republic threads use, you Medellin guys use the term "civilian" ?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3062837]In t

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You do you, but as a short time visitor I've met very few freelance girls that I'm attracted to who consider 200 k (I. E. $55) in the past 5 years. To be candid, most would be offended as they have regular jobs and spend a lot of money on their upkeep. They also have other guys competing for their attention. I'm a nice guy, but why would they settle? If a girl very willingly goes for 200 k, how many guys are really interested in her? How attractive is she?

Getting to the point, maybe the original poster needs to quickly find a more traditionally attractive girl who takes care of herself, had work done, goes to gym, etc. Good for him. I too have limited time and am willing to pay up for the looks. If the performance matches the looks, then she may become a favorita. On the other hand, there are many guys here that just need a hole. And that can easily be had for 200 k, or much less in Centro. They are quantity over quality. I prefer the reverse... quality over quantity as my time is valuable.

Obviously if you live there and have ample time to build a 'cost effective' rotation things are different. Suerte to all.[/QUOTE]All of my chics are petite slim about 100 lbs and pretty. I don't do street meat or chics off dating sites. I meet them on Facebook and these are mainly non pros, some who have never been with a gringo and you can tell because they don't know the pricing but 200 k is good enough for them because they are not part of that life. Speaking Spanish and having decent looks will help with non pros. As far as quality, if I'm paying for sex then I expect good sex. Do you like food that looks good but taste horrible? No you wouldn't. Same as sex. I'll take a 7 that's good in bed over a 10 that's horrible in bed any day of the week. Guys that are so concerned about a 10 over decent sex just shows they can't get attractive women without paying for them.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3062837]In t.[/QUOTE]Of course now as we speak the damages are already done, after years and years of acting lame and desperate, Gringos once more succeeded destroying this place too, Gringos 1 Paisas 0. Yeaaaah.

But still No, you don't need to live there or stay long term, you simply need to say NO even to the high quality, not necessarily settle for the first gem you find, as they have dozens and dozens of them, and move on to the next high quality if your requirements are not met, or simply to the next girl, have some social skills and BASIC Spanish to engage again and again. Facebook and Instagram have plenty baddies, you are already an easy mark because you need to settle and score ASAP. And they know that about most gringos, based on how you act with them, those little 'nice guys cues' only command upcharge. This guy likes me, even thirst over me, afraid to shoot his shot elsewhere, WHY the hell the girl wouldn't ask you a higher rate? Most gringos act pretty much the same, have the exact same 'short trip' 'high quality seeking' speech. Years ago you wouldn't have to do much, nor haggle on prices much, but unfortunately, years after, its like that now, because Americans talk and act out too much, it's like they're on a mission to ruin it for themselves and others. They can't leave their phones behind, they just have to record and blast it on socials, they do it with every place they set foot at. And in 90% of countries I have been to, same comments as of how they're disliked. I wonder why. The 10% that like them is the USA.

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;3063587]So anyway, back to Bello, that little town north of Medellin full of girls.

MoonShot and RiceRocket, what is the name of that walking street right in center of Bello?

It might remind our European visitors of the Rambla in Barcelona, very cool, you really have to check it out.[/QUOTE]Go up to Trapiche in Bello, then head east to Pachelly and you'll see all the non pro hotties everywhere and also the OG ladrones too hehe.

On a more serious note, I suggest La 45 in Manrique, spit your day or night game. Some of the hottest and freakiest paisas I've met have been from Manrique. Thank me later.

[QUOTE=MisterJam;3063622]All of my chics are petite slim about 100 lbs and pretty. I don't do street meat or chics off dating sites. I meet them on Facebook and these are mainly non pros, some who have never been with a gringo and you can tell because they don't know the pricing but 200 k is good enough for them because they are not part of that life. Speaking Spanish and having decent looks will help with non pros. As far as quality, if I'm paying for sex then I expect good sex. Do you like food that looks good but taste horrible? No you wouldn't. Same as sex. I'll take a 7 that's good in bed over a 10 that's horrible in bed any day of the week. Guys that are so concerned about a 10 over decent sex just shows they can't get attractive women without paying for them.[/QUOTE]Thank you Mister Jam. It would seem that all I need to do is lower my standards a couple notches (for beauty anyway), stick to 200 k, and then use the shotgun blast approach on FB as opposed to being selective. Surely some will bite. I'll try that my next trip.

[QUOTE=BlackPantherXX;3063649]Of course now as we speak the damages are already done, after years and years of acting lame and desperate, Gringos once more succeeded destroying this place too, Gringos 1 Paisas 0. Yeaaaah.
.[/QUOTE]So your ceiling is 200 k as well?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3063733]So your ceiling is 200 k as well?[/QUOTE]Not a ceiling, merely a median.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3063732]Thank you Mister Jam. It would seem that all I need to do is lower my standards a couple notches (for beauty anyway), stick to 200 k, and then use the shotgun blast approach on FB as opposed to being selective. Surely some will bite. I'll try that my next trip.[/QUOTE]Nice! I agree. Unless you live there with time to really nurture these things, getting a legit hottie w / good service for 200 k is quite unlikely.

Of course, if you're young, handsome, and speak Spanish, you might not have to pay at all (at least outside of Poblado). But then you'd have no problem finding hotties to bone for nothing in the US or wherever you're from.

300-400 k for a hot looking chica is about right as long as she does what you want.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3063691]Go up to Trapiche in Bello, then head east to Pachelly and you'll see all the non pro hotties everywhere and also the OG ladrones too hehe.

On a more serious note, I suggest La 45 in Manrique, spit your day or night game. Some of the hottest and freakiest paisas I've met have been from Manrique. Thank me later.[/QUOTE]Anything fun to do in these areas during weekend nights? Discotecas? Centro comercial? Or casas? I never visited Bello but I am open to explore these area on my upcoming trip.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;3063691]

On a more serious note, I suggest La 45 in Manrique, spit your day or night game. Some of the hottest and freakiest paisas I've met have been from Manrique. Thank me later.[/QUOTE]I tried to explore Carrera 45 on Google Maps ((assume this is La 45?) as it runs through Manrique and I noticed it seems to be pedestrian only or some thing? A lot of the side streets basically get blocked off from letting cars enter by a curb or or metal poles coming out of the ground an the sidewalk does not stop at the side streets either so it makes more since that maybe they put a tram through there or buses?

So if Carrera 45 is La 45 about which Calle does it start and about where does it end?

My opinion is giving money to a girl for taxis is obsolete. I feel the same about taxis in general but that's beside the point. I don't always pay for transport. When I do, my practice is to offer a one way or round trip uber or didi. Besides the mostly lower cost vs taxis for the same trips, you don't have to guess when the girl will arrive because you can track the trip real time. I don't see the point in handing over 10,000 or more pesos to girls who sometimes pay a 3,300 peso bus or metro fare and pocket the rest. Just yesterday I had to put my foot down and ban motorcycle trips. One of my regulars showed up in great distress. She told me she nearly died when a panel truck cut off her motorcycle uber. We used to argue about her using motos to beat traffic jam. After the near death experience she now sees it my way.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3063603]While many girls are truly from there, historically I also found that some girls would say that so that you gave them more for their taxi ride (I. E. Greater distance more $$, and it wasn't unusual for a friend to drive them, or they take the metro). With the advent of Uber, and me arranging the girls rides, I found that many more were located in Laureles, Boston, and adjacent neighborhoods. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3064205]My opinion is giving money to a girl for taxis is obsolete. I feel the same about taxis in general but that's beside the point. I don't always pay for transport. When I do, my practice is to offer a one way or round trip uber or didi. Besides the mostly lower cost vs taxis for the same trips, you don't have to guess when the girl will arrive because you can track the trip real time. I don't see the point in handing over 10,000 or more pesos to girls who sometimes pay a 3,300 peso bus or metro fare and pocket the rest. Just yesterday I had to put my foot down and ban motorcycle trips. One of my regulars showed up in great distress. She told me she nearly died when a panel truck cut off her motorcycle uber. We used to argue about her using motos to beat traffic jam. After the near death experience she now sees it my way.[/QUOTE]When I was there a few months ago there was an electric bulletin that showed the number of road deaths for the year. It was in the the teens.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3064253]When I was there a few months ago there was an electric bulletin that showed the number of road deaths for the year. It was in the the teens.[/QUOTE]I have some swamp land for sale, and also the Brooklyn Bridge, if you believe that number. Ever ride a motorcycle in MDE? I have. It sucks.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3064384]I have some swamp land for sale, and also the Brooklyn Bridge, if you believe that number. Ever ride a motorcycle in MDE? I have. It sucks.[/QUOTE]That's what my driver told me. I wasn't going argue with him. I know a few girls who scars from motorcycles.

The signs show deaths along the road where they are displayed (Las Palmas, La Oriental, autopista regional etc). You would have to add the totals to get the citywide number and you are quite right, that number is very high. The best thing I can say about Colombian drivers is they are not Dominican drivers. I have to talk myself out of getting my own car every other week or so because I'm so sick of their silly and dangerous driving habits.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3064384]I have some swamp land for sale, and also the Brooklyn Bridge, if you believe that number. Ever ride a motorcycle in MDE? I have. It sucks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Huacho;3064384]I have some swamp land for sale, and also the Brooklyn Bridge, if you believe that number. Ever ride a motorcycle in MDE? I have. It sucks.[/QUOTE]Riding a motorcycle in Medellíand traffic is the closest you will ever get to experiencing riding in a Ready Player One race.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3064529]Riding a motorcycle in Medelland traffic is the closest you will ever get to experiencing riding in a Ready Player One race.[/QUOTE]You want to see something scary? Be in Sao Paulo, Brazil during rush hour traffic. Those motorcyclist are weaving in and out of massive traffic moving at insane speeds! Every single time I'm sure I'm going to be witness to a terrible road accident.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3064384]I have some swamp land for sale.....[/QUOTE]You are not a good real estate salesman. Let me help you: you do not have swamp land for sale you have an investment opportunity in a tropical oasis.

As a pedestrian, what scares me about the motorcycles and scooters is that they treat anything paved or semi-paved as someplace ok to drive. I can't count the times I've almost been hit walking along a sidewalk in Poblado. I'm not nervous about the petty crime here. It's the motos and scooters that scare me.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;3064547]As a pedestrian, what scares me about the motorcycles and scooters is that they treat anything paved or semi-paved as someplace ok to drive. I can't count the times I've almost been hit walking along a sidewalk in Poblado. I'm not nervous about the petty crime here. It's the motos and scooters that scare me.[/QUOTE]This is all normal driving behaviour for motorcycles and scooters in southeast Asia as I'm sure all of us who have ever mongered in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam will agree. At the same time, I have and wouldn't hesitate to take a Grab (Uber equivalent) motobike again next time I'm in Thailand. I haven't taken a motobike Uber in Medellin yet, just cars.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3064554]This is all normal driving behaviour for motorcycles and scooters in southeast Asia as I'm sure all of us who have ever mongered in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam will agree. At the same time, I have and wouldn't hesitate to take a Grab (Uber equivalent) motobike again next time I'm in Thailand. I haven't taken a motobike Uber in Medellin yet, just cars.[/QUOTE]Agreed, but it seems like in SEA the moto drivers feel a karmic duty to try to dodge the pedestrians, while here in MDE they don't seem to care so much.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;3064566]Agreed, but it seems like in SEA the moto drivers feel a karmic duty to try to dodge the pedestrians, while here in MDE they don't seem to care so much.[/QUOTE]And maybe the motodrivers in southeast Asia are actually better drivers when weaving in and out of traffic than the Colombians.

What is the General consensus for an American visitor to Medellin now? It's getting to be such a pain in the US to have paid consensual sex and honestly simply ridiculous, no wonder guys want to go outside the US to fu* Used to go the FKK Sharks in Germany but it has been an upselling hole with no guaranteed services and the girls there being very pushy and robotic now that there is no point in flying all the way to Germany. Pre Covid it was absolutely the place to be and with the new BJ laws there, it is going downhill pretty quick.

And so was exploring different avenues that are closer to the US, rather Texas. Can fly to Medellin quicker than flying to Europe. Not sure if it is worth now going to Medellin anymore. Have never been to Colombia before and also my Spanish is non existent. With the reports here stating that the airport officials are questioning single male US visitors and want to crack down on them, is it worth visiting Medellin for a US resident? Am also considering the Termas in Rio and São Paulo in Brazil but it's pretty much the same flight time as Europe. The biggest thing would be getting guaranteed good services without getting ripped off or shorted as my time would be limited to 2-3 days per visit, and so want to max it out to the best. FKK Club Globe in Switzerland is another option I am considering with it having good reports and hot blondes. And prefer BBFS, covers don't do anything for me nowadays and even though Club Globe doesn't allow BBFS, they have public sex, gangbangs etc to keep it exciting as a trade off.

Love the Colombian girls, so hot and pretty and so was needing feedback on Medellin and Colombia from all you fellow sex consoeurs!

It largely depends on the individual. If you can't give coherent responses to routine questions from immigration agents and if you are later found to be traveling with sex shop paraphernalia you may be sent back on the next flight. By routine questions, I mean "what is the purpose of your visit / where are you staying / what activities do you have planned. " As in any public situation, you should avoid looking crazy or thirsty.

[QUOTE=DelTheKing;3064596]What is the General consensus for an American visitor to Medellin now? It's getting to be such a pain in the US to have paid consensual sex and honestly simply ridiculous, no wonder guys want to go outside the US to fu* Used to go the FKK Sharks in Germany but it has been an upselling hole with no guaranteed services and the girls there being very pushy and robotic now that there is no point in flying all the way to Germany. Pre Covid it was absolutely the place to be and with the new BJ laws there, it is going downhill pretty quick.

And so was exploring different avenues that are closer to the US, rather Texas. Can fly to Medellin quicker than flying to Europe. Not sure if it is worth now going to Medellin anymore. Have never been to Colombia before and also my Spanish is non existent. With the reports here stating that the airport officials are questioning single male US visitors and want to crack down on them, is it worth visiting Medellin for a US resident? Am also considering the Termas in Rio and So Paulo in Brazil but it's pretty much the same flight time as Europe. The biggest thing would be getting guaranteed good services without getting ripped off or shorted as my time would be limited to 2-3 days per visit, and so want to max it out to the best. FKK Club Globe in Switzerland is another option I am considering with it having good reports and hot blondes. And prefer BBFS, covers don't do anything for me nowadays and even though Club Globe doesn't allow BBFS, they have public sex, gangbangs etc to keep it exciting as a trade off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DelTheKing;3064596]What is the General consensus for an American visitor to Medellin now? It's getting to be such a pain in the US to have paid consensual sex and honestly simply ridiculous, no wonder guys want to go outside the US to fu* Used to go the FKK Sharks in Germany but it has been an upselling hole with no guaranteed services and the girls there being very pushy and robotic now that there is no point in flying all the way to Germany. Pre Covid it was absolutely the place to be and with the new BJ laws there, it is going downhill pretty quick.

And so was exploring different avenues that are closer to the US, rather Texas. Can fly to Medellin quicker than flying to Europe. Not sure if it is worth now going to Medellin anymore. Have never been to Colombia before and also my Spanish is non existent. With the reports here stating that the airport officials are questioning single male US visitors and want to crack down on them, is it worth visiting Medellin for a US resident? Am also considering the Termas in Rio and So Paulo in Brazil but it's pretty much the same flight time as Europe. The biggest thing would be getting guaranteed good services without getting ripped off or shorted as my time would be limited to 2-3 days per visit, and so want to max it out to the best. FKK Club Globe in Switzerland is another option I am considering with it having good reports and hot blondes. And prefer BBFS, covers don't do anything for me nowadays and even though Club Globe doesn't allow BBFS, they have public sex, gangbangs etc to keep it exciting as a trade off.

Love the Colombian girls, so hot and pretty and so was needing feedback on Medellin and Colombia from all you fellow sex consoeurs![/QUOTE]

Most Americans are able to enter Medellin without issues. There may be a few hundred out of thousands and thousands of foreigners denied entry or picked for enhanced interviews and luggage, phone, background checks, travel patterns if they are suspected of sex tourisms, travel doesn't match the story with one way tickets with vague plans, lack of funds, no clear accommodation details. It got stricter than before as the result of a few significant negative publicity following a spike in violent tourist deaths, robbing, scoped especially involving US citizens lured by dating apps. I was there a few months ago, plan to go again later this month. You are very unlikely to have issues if you have a clear itinerary, return ticket, hotel, consistent story, intentional about visiting tourist spots in and around Medellin.

[QUOTE=RayClosure22;3063527]First time here in Medellin. Do you have recommendations of good message places? How do you find them? I am having difficulty finding any one, have been here for a week. Seriously need some help.[/QUOTE]When I visited Medellin a few months ago, I stayed in Belen area and went to at least four massage places that were either walkable or just five minutes Uber ride. The main challenge there is that most spots require appointments on Whatsapp, many are available at / after 11 am and don't accept walk-ins. If you are lucky, you might be able to get a same day slot, better to book one day in advance.

1. Amatsu Spa (this is my favorite).

2. Viva Spa (two locations, Belen where I went, they also have one in Poblado).

3. Luxury Spa (it's a nail hair salon also offer massage).

4. Terapias de Relajaciand Medelland (independent massage therapist).

[QUOTE=Shemp;3063586]Go to the RioSur Mall in Poblado. There are 3 or 4 massage establishments in there. You will get a legit massage & will need to negotiate with the masajista for any extras you may desire.[/QUOTE]THIS is the goat massager in medellin. She is dope as fuck. Go look at my reviews on her.

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[QUOTE=DelTheKing;3064596]Not sure if it is worth now going to Medellin anymore. Have never been to Colombia before and also my Spanish is non existent. With the reports here stating that the airport officials are questioning single male US visitors and want to crack down on them, is it worth visiting Medellin for a US resident? ...my time would be limited to 2-3 days per visit, and so want to max it out to the best.[/QUOTE]Some simple Spanish will go a long way to improve your experience. Yes, you can use Google Translate and such, but you want to have some basis for initializing conversation and understanding basic things. Also it may be useful to make your first trip a little longer so you can get familiar with the lay of the land. As long as you have some sort of plan when you arrive you will be fine. Can be as easy as googling the top restaurants in Medellin and tell them you are a foodie coming to visit the restaurants and readily list 3-4 major ones. What they are on the lookout is obvious (bros who are just coming with plans to party and hit up girls and have zero knowledge of the city or why they are there other than sex) so don't be obvious. But with such a short visit you can hit places like the top spas or houses and strip clubs (thinking Alacarta VIP, Des Spa, Spa Mandalay, La Isla, Fase II, etc.) and get some reliable service. BBFS is tricker and more of a case-by-case basis, girls here are health / cover oriented, but money talks.

Earlier today, did anyone else see those articles in the Spanish press about Bello and how it is the new in "no-gringo" hotspot for sweet chicas?

I will look for the link and when I find it I will post it or you can just google it.

Bello is the new Medellin.

[QUOTE=WwMonger;3008491]Great report. How did you feel the vibe as far as security in Medellin especially in El Centro?[/QUOTE]Are there any white looking Chicas not fully white just mostly European looking like French or Italian?

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;3065070]Earlier today, did anyone else see those articles in the Spanish press about Bello and how it is the new in "no-gringo" hotspot for sweet chicas?

I will look for the link and when I find it I will post it or you can just google it.

Bello is the new Medellin.[/QUOTE]Bello has almost always been a no go zone for gringos. And the reality is all the super hot prepagos live there because the rent is soo cheap that they can spend the rest on surgeries and make up and clothes.

Its kinda nuts how I almost always guess the casa girls live in Bello. Its soo fucking far though someitmes like I've had 1 hour drives myself when its rush hour just for some pussy.

But there are chicks everywhere that are hot. Bello is a gem but also use much more caution there.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;3065185]Its soo fucking far though someitmes like I've had 1 hour drives myself when its rush hour just for some pussy.
[/QUOTE]Just ride the moto and you'll save your travel time by half. Almost all the prepago girls I know rides the moto and they prefer it that way to avoid the traffic. Some girls ask for taxi money and rides the moto so they can pocket the rest LOL.

Probably there is a neo-nazi website somewhere that focuses on this sort of content.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3065099]Are there any white looking Chicas not fully white just mostly European looking like French or Italian?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3065099]Are there any white looking Chicas not fully white just mostly European looking like French or Italian?[/QUOTE]So why not go to France or Italy? - why would you come to Colombia if you want European?

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;3065070]Earlier today, did anyone else see those articles in the Spanish press about Bello and how it is the new in "no-gringo" hotspot for sweet chicas?

I will look for the link and when I find it I will post it or you can just google it.

Bello is the new Medellin.[/QUOTE]When you say Spanish Press. What does that mean. Is Spanish Press a website of publication. Or was in an article written in Spanish on some website that you associate with Spain? What phrase would someone actualy need to google to find this article?

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3065099]Are there any white looking Chicas not fully white just mostly European looking like French or Italian?[/QUOTE]Yes, there are, but that look is more of a challenge to find in Colombia where the girls have more of a Latina look. Brazil is a far superior destination for girls with a European look as it is a much more diverse country. Argentina would also be a good choice. Same for Uruguay when it comes to the look, but I did not find that country to be up to par when it comes to mongering opportunities.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3065099]Are there any white looking Chicas not fully white just mostly European looking like French or Italian?[/QUOTE]Just look at YouTube videos of Parque Lleras and Centro Medellin and you will get a good cross section view of the type of girls in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3065099]Are there any white looking Chicas not fully white just mostly European looking like French or Italian?[/QUOTE]There are white Latinas all over Colombia, especially in Medellin. Perhaps not so much among the Centro streetwalkers, but definitely every other area and platform where you would be looking for chicas.

[URL]https://quepasamedallo.com/medellin-allanaron-varias-casas-de-prostitucion-en-el-poblado-laureles-y-belen-video/8312/[/URL]

Saw this, but would like to know what casa were shut down so we can avoid them and update the map.

Anyone else want to chime in?

P.S. Imagine being there during a raid! Yowzer.

You need to have a high risk tolerance to ride motos around Medellin. Lives and limbs are lost on a daily basis. More likely is getting soaked in greasy road splash during frequent rain showers. Most likely is your hair will stink of cheap patchouli from the communal helmets. My advice is leave early in the interest of safety and comfort.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;3065208]Just ride the moto and you'll save your travel time by half. Almost all the prepago girls I know rides the moto and they prefer it that way to avoid the traffic. Some girls ask for taxi money and rides the moto so they can pocket the rest LOL.[/QUOTE]

Aranjuez, Castilla, and Boston offer everything Bello does except a 30 to 60 minute traffic jam between it and Medellin.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;3065185]Bello has almost always been a no go zone for gringos. And the reality is all the super hot prepagos live there because the rent is soo cheap that they can spend the rest on surgeries and make up and clothes.

Its kinda nuts how I almost always guess the casa girls live in Bello. Its soo fucking far though someitmes like I've had 1 hour drives myself when its rush hour just for some pussy.

But there are chicks everywhere that are hot. Bello is a gem but also use much more caution there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3065308]There are white Latinas all over Colombia, especially in Medellin. Perhaps not so much among the Centro streetwalkers, but definitely every other area and platform where you would be looking for chicas.[/QUOTE]I had one in my rotation and she was not and had no desire to be white.

Coming back and staying at the York again. June 2nd through the 11th. Will leave a trip report of course. Been reading about crack downs etc. If anyone has any feedback or advice on this let us know.

[QUOTE=Masseys1;3065542]Coming back and staying at the York again. June 2nd through the 11th. Will leave a trip report of course. Been reading about crack downs etc. If anyone has any feedback or advice on this let us know.[/QUOTE]Fly into Bogota, have accomidtions ready and already booked. Book a seperate ticket from Bogota to Medellin, don't book a connecting on the same iteneirary (its actually cheaper a lot of the times I've found).

Also, real talk if you are black they are targeting more it seems based on the articles I've seen. Dress nice, wear a button-up shirt and look presentable, don't do flip flops, shorts or busy graphic t shirts or anything that remotelly looks like a rapper or hip hop artist.

Look like you are there for business but you are there for vacation to get away from work but still have business attire.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;3065590]Fly into Bogota, have accomidtions ready and already booked. Book a seperate ticket from Bogota to Medellin, don't book a connecting on the same iteneirary (its actually cheaper a lot of the times I've found).

Also, real talk if you are black they are targeting more it seems based on the articles I've seen. Dress nice, wear a button-up shirt and look presentable, don't do flip flops, shorts or busy graphic t shirts or anything that remotelly looks like a rapper or hip hop artist.

Look like you are there for business but you are there for vacation to get away from work but still have business attire.[/QUOTE]I just wear shorts and a t-shirt with sneakers. They usually don't even ask any questions but if they do, just answer them in a respectful manner and it is all good. 99 percent of visitors don't have any issues. The stories you hear are a tiny percentage of visitors. I have heard that it was about 50 men for this year versus 10 million visitors which is 0.0005%.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;3065590]Fly into Bogota, have accomidtions ready and already booked. Book a seperate ticket from Bogota to Medellin, don't book a connecting on the same iteneirary (its actually cheaper a lot of the times I've found).[/QUOTE]Then what happens if the first flight is late?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;3065590]Also, real talk if you are black they are targeting more it seems based on the articles I've seen. Dress nice, wear a button-up shirt and look presentable, don't do flip flops, shorts or busy graphic t shirts or anything that remotelly looks like a rapper or hip hop artist.[/QUOTE]I am Black and always wear my athletic pants, a graphic t-shirt, and slides. Never any problem. Not that I look like a hip hop artist, but a normal dude wearing athletic pants, a graphic t-shirt, and slides. None of the guys that I have seen that were denied entry looked anything like the stereotypical hip hop artist. People are not judged by how they look, but their mannerisms and how they answer the questions.

And once again, it is not what is in your bag. The bag is scanned [B]after[/B] you have been admitted or denied.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;3065590]Fly into Bogota, have accomidtions ready and already booked. Book a seperate ticket from Bogota to Medellin, don't book a connecting on the same iteneirary (its actually cheaper a lot of the times I've found).

Also, real talk if you are black they are targeting more it seems based on the articles I've seen. Dress nice, wear a button-up shirt and look presentable, don't do flip flops, shorts or busy graphic t shirts or anything that remotelly looks like a rapper or hip hop artist.

Look like you are there for business but you are there for vacation to get away from work but still have business attire.[/QUOTE]Well bad news is we already booked flights directly into Medellin. I am a white american and my wife is originally from Venezuela and obviously speaks fluent spanish. We were in Medellin a few months ago and just planned on saying we loved it and wanted to see more sights we didn't see last visit and chill and relax. Originally her mom was going to fly in and meet us but now can't. We were going to explain we were also visiting family. Well fingers crossed we don't have any issues! I will update here on what happens when we arrive.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3065630]Then what happens if the first flight is late?

I am Black and always wear my athletic pants, a graphic t-shirt, and slides. Never any problem. Not that I look like a hip hop artist, but a normal dude wearing athletic pants, a graphic t-shirt, and slides. None of the guys that I have seen that were denied entry looked anything like the stereotypical hip hop artist. People are not judged by how they look, but their mannerisms and how they answer the questions.

And once again, it is not what is in your bag. The bag is scanned [B]after[/B] you have been admitted or denied.[/QUOTE]IF is the biggest two letter word in the english language. If anything maybe just bang some rolas for a day and flight out later or the next day. You can even stash your bags at the airport and do a day trip.

Secondly regarding your look. YMMV. However, why not just give them the least ammount of reasons to even look. Lowering risk and managing expecations, that's what it all comes down to.

[QUOTE=Masseys1;3065650]Well bad news is we already booked flights directly into Medellin. I am a white american and my wife is originally from Venezuela and obviously speaks fluent spanish. We were in Medellin a few months ago and just planned on saying we loved it and wanted to see more sights we didn't see last visit and chill and relax. Originally her mom was going to fly in and meet us but now can't. We were going to explain we were also visiting family. Well fingers crossed we don't have any issues! I will update here on what happens when we arrive.[/QUOTE]You don't need your fingers crossed jaja. You're traveling with your wife. While there's a ton of single guys standing around you in line. Relax!

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;3065670]You don't need your fingers crossed jaja. You're traveling with your wife. While there's a ton of single guys standing around you in line. Relax![/QUOTE]Yeah, can almost guarantee they don't care about someone traveling with their wife.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;3065670]You don't need your fingers crossed jaja. You're traveling with your wife. While there's a ton of single guys standing around you in line. Relax![/QUOTE]My wife said exactly the same thing! To many single guys to worry about us.

People overthink immigration. When you approach the desk with a polite attitude but you're really treating it as a formality to get your passport stamped and on your way into town, the agent senses that as good. That's when you get the "How long are you here? Where are you staying? Welcome to Colombia!" 30 second encounters. Immigration officials are experts at detecting nervous people. When you act like you're doing nothing wrong, you don't have a problem. And you're doing nothing wrong, regardless of what sex toys you have in your suitcase.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;3065681]People overthink immigration. When you approach the desk with a polite attitude but you're really treating it as a formality to get your passport stamped and on your way into town, the agent senses that as good. That's when you get the "How long are you here? Where are you staying? Welcome to Colombia!" 30 second encounters. Immigration officials are experts at detecting nervous people. When you act like you're doing nothing wrong, you don't have a problem. And you're doing nothing wrong, regardless of what sex toys you have in your suitcase.[/QUOTE]The people have the most problems are the ones who do not have a place to stay before they arrive. When I go there I there has never been an instance when the officer did not ask where I was staying. When you that information ready that should eliminate your problems assuming all of your documents are in order.

You come unprepared and they take you into the office. It's takes time to make those arrangements. Last minute is not a good look.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;3065681]People overthink immigration............[/QUOTE]Agreed with Catbert55 and others calling for calm and common sense when contemplating whether and how to brave immigration on arriving at the Medellin airport.

FIRST, WHO KNOWS? No one writing on this board has the faintest idea what goes on behind the counter at passport control in Medellin--why on any given day any given passport agent decides to pull a guy out of line and take him into the backroom for questioning. And to search his cell phone and suitcase. Perhaps for his behavior in line; perhaps for how he's dressed; perhaps for his body language and how he answers questions at the booth; perhaps because his name / passport has already been red flagged in advance in the agent's computer; perhaps on that day the agents have just been told to make an example of some random dudes. Perhaps all of the above on any one day or another. Again, who knows?

SECOND, FOR SURE, RELAX. AND TAKE A REALISTIC LOOK AT THE ODDS. As others have pointed out, there must be 10's of thousands, even perhaps over a 100 thousand single guys passing through passport control every year and just a handful pulled and sent home. No matter how you are dressed or behaving in line, your chances of ending in the back room are small, almost nonexistent.

THIRD, NONETHELESS, WHY NOT BE PRUDENT AND, IN THE SIMPLEST OF WAYS, PREPARED? Even IF the chances of being taken from line and perhaps deported are minuscule, why not dress normally, behave politely? And, most importantly, as others have mentioned, be ready with the address of where you will be staying, and to describe what you will be doing in Colombia (other than chasing skirts) with a couple of examples. For example: Studying Spanish: the name of a Spanish school. Tourism: The name of a museum or two; a visit to the coffee region and Guatape.

That said, I respect those like Mr. International who have been in and out of Colombia a zillion times, who say I'm not going to change how I dress for travel on the tiny off-chance that a passport agent might single me out. But then, to retain our admiration, one has to be philosophical if the improbable does happen. There are other mongering Happy Hunting Grounds in the world.

Hi everyone, if this works you can see this map of all main tourist hotels around Bello.

Have Fun.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3065794]Agreed with Catbert55 and others calling for calm and common sense when contemplating whether and how to brave immigration on arriving at the Medellin airport.

FIRST, WHO KNOWS?

SECOND, FOR SURE, RELAX. AND TAKE A REALISTIC LOOK AT THE ODDS. As others have pointed out, there must be 10's of thousands, even perhaps over a 100 thousand single guys passing through passport control every year and just a handful pulled and sent home. No matter how you are dressed or behaving in line, your chances of ending in the back room are small, almost nonexistent.

[/QUOTE]"FIRST, WHO KNOWS?" Last fall, there were US federal law enforcement types in the back room. They had hand held devices that connect to US law enforcement databases. The Colombians picked men at random, brought them back to the back rooms, where the US feds (GS-1811 criminal investigator types, most likely from the Homeland Security Attaché's Office in the embassy) ran names / birthdays against various databases. If something came up positive (convicts, arrests, parole, sex offender database), then they would tell the Colombians, and that is when the bag searching would begin.

The Colombians do not have magical abilities to look at a plane load of passengers, look at an individual, and determine "Him. Pull him out of the line. My mutant super powers tell me that he has whips, chains, and clothespins in his suit case!" LOL.

What has replaced the US feds being detailed to the airport. Which was never more than a temporary solution -is a terminal that lets the Colombians plug into the "Angel" database of sex offenders. This is probably a commercial database, because I doubt the US would give a foreign country access to US gov't ones for security reasons.

"No matter how you are dressed or behaving in line. ".

I am considering flying down in a white turtleneck, khaki pants, and khaki colored shoes. LOL.

First the day one report then eventually how I ended up here.

Right before ten I'm sitting on the couch of this Airbnb, setting up a mileroticoho for noonish manana and at the same time playing nice guy with the last castaway from simp island I've promised myself I'll ever invest in.

I have no intention of going out. Too much anxiety. It's so much safer to just spectate from a digital window. So I throw on a parque Lleras video uploaded a day or two ago. "Hey, let me Google map that bar in the background."

Less than 30 steps out the front door. Not bad. "Yeah but what are you going to do just walk around?" Hmmm. Its an option.

"Look man just throw on the black Nike track suit with the ballcap and hit the scouting mission. " Yeah, you're right just get a lay of the land and calm your nerves for when we go live. "OK cool I can do that".

Plus it's better to keep a low profile.

"Shut up. Pretty Tone never kept a low profile. Put on the linen with the leather steppers and knock it out the park sir. If not, how will you ever know where you really stand? Can you still pull the cream of the crop? Can you? Can you?

10 minutes later they're looking for neck braces. I see it in the periphery because I'm still a ball of nerves. I grab a bottle of water and start following the crowd. Fast forward ten minutes and a whole lap later. I finally decide to start making eye contact.

First glance is met with a cute little fuck me face. Auburn tinted shoulder length wavy locks and eyes a little too far on the other side of tipsy for my peace of mind. "Interesting".

Next is a tall voluptuous melon smuggling vixen walking with a friend. We never break eye contact as we pass. "OK Daddy's home. " Yes sir.

Take a left and take a seat on a corner wall. Five seconds later this young dude sits next to me. He says something about being guapo. I say not in this world but maybe another. He flinches in offense. "Ohhhh that self deprecating comment definitely came across as a hard rejection."

He says it wasn't his comment it was his friend's. I lean forward. Absolutely gorgeous little dream girl looks at me with that sultry gaze and repeats it.

"Hmmm, whatever you do don't say that same goofy garbage you just said!

"Not in this world but. " I'm seriously retarded. Chemistry going down the table fast. Extra awkward moment of silence starts unfolding. Some other girl with them starts walking away.

"You better do something. " I stand up and walk to that perfect little latina and all I could come up with is the old boring name and number b. S.

"Danger Will Robinson! Danger".

Hard left initiated. I ask her when she is free and she's caught off guard but recovers quick. She says ahora. I offer my hand. She smiles from ear to ear and accepts. Her squad looks shocked then immediately engage in some sign language before we're off into the night.

And now the ice is broken. I sincerely appreciate all the great reports and guide posts along the path posted here and apologize for my goofy writing style.

Guys on the list are done before they even arrive. The others get denied because of squirrely behavior or inability to answer routine questions without throwing bad vibes.

[URL]https://www.ice.gov/hsi/centers-labs/angel-watch[/URL]

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;3066130]"FIRST, WHO KNOWS?" Last fall, there were US federal law enforcement types in the back room. They had hand held devices that connect to US law enforcement databases. The Colombians picked men at random, brought them back to the back rooms, where the US feds (GS-1811 criminal investigator types, most likely from the Homeland Security Attach's Office in the embassy) ran names / birthdays against various databases. If something came up positive (convicts, arrests, parole, sex offender database), then they would tell the Colombians, and that is when the bag searching would begin.

The Colombians do not have magical abilities to look at a plane load of passengers, look at an individual, and determine "Him. Pull him out of the line. My mutant super powers tell me that he has whips, chains, and clothespins in his suit case!" LOL..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;3066130]........where the US feds (GS-1811 criminal investigator types, most likely from the Homeland Security Attach's Office in the embassy) ........[/QUOTE]I suspect those dudes pay more for the Colombian chicas than you or me.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3066205]Guys on the list are done before they even arrive. The others get denied because of squirrely behavior or inability to answer routine questions without throwing bad vibes.

[URL]https://www.ice.gov/hsi/centers-labs/angel-watch[/URL][/QUOTE]If it's known that a guy's name is on the list, then why let him board a flight to Colombia in the first place? Instead of alerting the Colombian authorities, why not just forbid the guy from traveling in the first place and hoping that the Colombians apprehend him and send him back?

[QUOTE=TheCane;3066217]If it's known that a guy's name is on the list, then why let him board a flight to Colombia in the first place? Instead of alerting the Colombian authorities, why not just forbid the guy from traveling in the first place and hoping that the Colombians apprehend him and send him back?[/QUOTE]US authorities have no legal standing to stop him from boarding the flight. However, the Colombians have the right to grant or deny entry at their border. So, it is left up to them, as the foreign petitioner for entry has no recourse at the port of entry. Also, allowing the monger to incur the expense of the flight without entry at the destination serves as a deterrent, along with the search and seizure. Legally, they cannot grab him in the USA and put on display his impressive arsenal of dildos, vibrators, lubricants, and condoms. Once he crosses the US border, it is an entirely different matter.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3066217]If it's known that a guy's name is on the list, then why let him board a flight to Colombia in the first place? Instead of alerting the Colombian authorities, why not just forbid the guy from traveling in the first place and hoping that the Colombians apprehend him and send him back?[/QUOTE]They are not apprehended. The people are allowed to travel. It is up to the country they are traveling to whether to allow them in or not. So they are just denied entry; they have not broken any law by traveling or been arrested in any type of way.

Sex offenders who complete their sentences are allowed to travel internationally. They would not otherwise be allowed to have passports. It's up to the destination countries to admit them or not. People on sex offender registries have the same rights as anyone else except for certain key restrictions such as reporting their addresses and appearing on registries.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3066217]If it's known that a guy's name is on the list, then why let him board a flight to Colombia in the first place? Instead of alerting the Colombian authorities, why not just forbid the guy from traveling in the first place and hoping that the Colombians apprehend him and send him back?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3066225]US authorities have no legal standing to stop him from boarding the flight. However, the Colombians have the right to grant or deny entry at their border. So, it is left up to them, as the foreign petitioner for entry has no recourse at the port of entry. Also, allowing the monger to incur the expense of the flight without entry at the destination serves as a deterrent, along with the search and seizure. Legally, they cannot grab him in the USA and put on display his impressive arsenal of dildos, vibrators, lubricants, and condoms. Once he crosses the US border, it is an entirely different matter.[/QUOTE]Well, that seems like a waste to me. It's like when a guy is on a terrorist watch list. He hasn't done anything wrong has he? But the authorities are supposed to be "watching" him. Then he goes out and buys guns and ammo and shoots up the place! He was on the terrorist watch list. He shouldn't have been allowed to go out and buy that stuff to do what he did and commit a terrorist act, having been on the list. A known and convicted sex offender (he in fact already did do something wrong to get on the list) shouldn't be allowed to board a plane and head off to a country internationally known to be a sex tourist destination where he might have an opportunity to do what he did again. Seems to me that would serve to be the best kind of deterrence and make the most sense. But of course, what makes sense too often doesn't rule the day does it? The American authorities wouldn't have to apprehend him and embarrass him by putting his toy collection on display. They could just say sorry you're not going anywhere. And the fact that he already spent money on a plane ticket, accommodations, and whatever else, well that exact same financial pain would be incurred and felt regardless of which border the guy was denied from crossing, whether it's the American to exit or Colombian one to enter. Again, just trying to make sense of it all.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3066272]Sex offenders who complete their sentences are allowed to travel internationally. They would not otherwise be allowed to have passports. It's up to the destination countries to admit them or not. People on sex offender registries have the same rights as anyone else except for certain key restrictions such as reporting their addresses and appearing on registries.[/QUOTE]Any idiot on the registry can go to a website that will tell him if he will likely be admitted into a country. But if they wer smart they wouldn't be on the registry in the first place so some dumbasses book a flight and cross their fingers. Actually there's ways around it depending on the situation and location but fuck those guys.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3066272]Sex offenders who complete their sentences are allowed to travel internationally. They would not otherwise be allowed to have passports. It's up to the destination countries to admit them or not. People on sex offender registries have the same rights as anyone else except for certain key restrictions such as reporting their addresses and appearing on registries.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm suggesting that maybe it ought to be something different. The United States government does an outstanding job of coming up with lists of places you can't go to and things you can't do without being punished. Maybe we ought to think about whether or not a convicted sex offender ought to have the same right to travel as everyone else does, especially when it's clear our own government actually doesn't welcome or support the travel, at least to certain places anyway. That's why they're alerting the foreign authorities no? So, why not prohibit the travel in the first place? The government prohibits travel under other circumstances. So why not for this? And problem solved with known sex offenders being turned away upon arrival. The Colombians would love it!

[QUOTE=JBroadway;3066139]..the black Nike track suit with the ballcap ... it's better to keep a low profile.[/QUOTE]That is not a low profile, that's a neon sign blinking "I'm a fresh fish-out-the-water rich-tourist here for your taking! Especially if the ballcap was a matching Nike branded one. " LOL.

Low profile is brandless dark sneakers, generic dark blue or black jeans, monochromatic boring no-imagery / no-logo t-shirt (over the pants), dark Timex style cheap watch or no watch at all, no jewelry, and walk around relaxed like you live there yet hate the place. If you must wear a ballcap, curved lid type, dark with no distinct logo. Fits into the cheapest / low places and fanciest places (if planning to walk into a place with a dress-code, use the black jeans and no cap). My time training in Fredericksburg was good for something after all.

Very well summarized. I come to Medellin pretty close to 10 times a year, mainly for work. I personally never had an issue and I have never known anyone to have had an issue, though all media reports are real. Like most of you said, the relative numbers are really small and a lot of common sense advice is already being delivered on this forum.

One tip I would like to add is this. Stay at a hotel and have the booking and address handy. Just show them when they ask where are you staying? That is typically the first question and majority of the time, the only question they ask. A hotel stay immediately tells him that you are not about to do some major stupid stuff. They know there will be atleast ID checks and you are less likely to get yourself in trouble, from their perspective. Staying at an Airbnb, can be the start of more questions. Of course 100's everyday are staying at Airbnb's every day with no issue but this is what one friendly immigration agent told me. Some Airbnb's are flagged for issues in the past even some buildings like Enxxxx are also immediate flags for more questions.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3065794]Agreed with Catbert55 and others calling for calm and common sense when contemplating whether and how to brave immigration on arriving at the Medellin airport.

FIRST, WHO KNOWS? No one writing on this board has the faintest idea what goes on behind the counter at passport control in Medellin--why on any given day any given passport agent decides to pull a guy out of line and take him into the backroom for questioning. And to search his cell phone and suitcase. Perhaps for his behavior in line; perhaps for how he's dressed; perhaps for his body language and how he answers questions at the booth; perhaps because his name / passport has already been red flagged in advance in the agent's computer; perhaps on that day the agents have just been told to make an example of some random dudes. Perhaps all of the above on any one day or another. Again, who knows?

SECOND, FOR SURE, RELAX. AND TAKE A REALISTIC LOOK AT THE ODDS. As others have pointed out, there must be 10's of thousands, even perhaps over a 100 thousand single guys passing through passport control every year and just a handful pulled and sent home. No matter how you are dressed or behaving in line, your chances of ending in the back room are small, almost nonexistent.

THIRD, NONETHELESS, WHY NOT BE PRUDENT AND, IN THE SIMPLEST OF WAYS, PREPARED? Even IF the chances of being taken from line and perhaps deported are minuscule, why not dress normally, behave politely? And, most importantly, as others have mentioned, be ready with the address of where you will be staying, and to describe what you will be doing in Colombia (other than chasing skirts) with a couple of examples. For example: Studying Spanish: the name of a Spanish school. Tourism: The name of a museum or two; a visit to the coffee region and Guatape.

That said, I respect those like Mr. International who have been in and out of Colombia a zillion times, who say I'm not going to change how I dress for travel on the tiny off-chance that a passport agent might single me out. But then, to retain our admiration, one has to be philosophical if the improbable does happen. There are other mongering Happy Hunting Grounds in the world.[/QUOTE]

Here are the druggings, robberies, and death number for foreigners in Medellin. For the recent talk of folks going to Belen, it appears that you will be 14 times more likely to be robbed in Poblado than in Belen. So you are actually less safe by staying in tourist infested areas. Keep in mind that this does not include the cases that people have not reported due to being ashamed or not wanting to brave the language barrier.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3066283]Well, that seems like a waste to me. It's like when a guy is on a terrorist watch list. He hasn't done anything wrong has he? But the authorities are supposed to be "watching" him. Then he goes out and buys guns and ammo and shoots up the place! He was on the terrorist watch list. He shouldn't have been allowed to go out and buy that stuff to do what he did and commit a terrorist act, having been on the list. A known and convicted sex offender (he in fact already did do something wrong to get on the list) shouldn't be allowed to board a plane and head off to a country internationally known to be a sex tourist destination where he might have an opportunity to do what he did again. Seems to me that would serve to be the best kind of deterrence and make the most sense. But of course, what makes sense too often doesn't rule the day does it? The American authorities wouldn't have to apprehend him and embarrass him by putting his toy collection on display. They could just say sorry you're not going anywhere. And the fact that he already spent money on a plane ticket, accommodations, and whatever else, well that exact same financial pain would be incurred and felt regardless of which border the guy was denied from crossing, whether it's the American to exit or Colombian one to enter. Again, just trying to make sense of it all.[/QUOTE]Theoretically, they could just use their computer programs to profile mongers based on travel history, social media activity, phone data, etc. Then put them all on the no-fly list but that would not be a very politically popular move for those implementing that policy. There have been whispers that artificial intelligence and the data center boom have enabled pre-crime analysis and prediction of who is likely to commit certain crimes. China already has such social credit systems where the authorities can blackball citizens from financial and transit systems, making their lives more difficult.

However, banning convicted sex offenders from travel after they serve their sentences is contrary to the American belief in rehabilitation and redemption. The system and society would have to admit that they do not believe in ex-cons going straight.

That said. It probably wouldn't be long into the future where they plug in Cerebro and say, "Find the mongers. Find them. Find all of the mongers!" Then it will be the end of the hobby.

I couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3066337]Any idiot on the registry can go to a website that will tell him if he will likely be admitted into a country. But if they wer smart they wouldn't be on the registry in the first place so some dumbasses book a flight and cross their fingers. Actually there's ways around it depending on the situation and location but fuck those guys.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3066354]That is not a low profile, that's a neon sign blinking "I'm a fresh fish-out-the-water rich-tourist here for your taking! Especially if the ballcap was a matching Nike branded one. " LOL.

Low profile is brandless dark sneakers, generic dark blue or black jeans, monochromatic boring no-imagery / no-logo t-shirt (over the pants), dark Timex style cheap watch or no watch at all, no jewelry, and walk around relaxed like you live there yet hate the place. If you must wear a ballcap, curved lid type, dark with no distinct logo. Fits into the cheapest / low places and fanciest places (if planning to walk into a place with a dress-code, use the black jeans and no cap). My time training in Fredericksburg was good for something after all.[/QUOTE]Couldn't have said it better.

I go on [URL]booking.com[/URL] and reserve a name brand hotel, then I print out the confirmation. Then I cancel the name brand hotel and stay wherever. They can check airline reservations but not hotels.

From what I understand, they've never stopped anyone wearing a bow tie from entering.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3066338]Well, I'm suggesting that maybe it ought to be something different. The United States government does an outstanding job of coming up with lists of places you can't go to and things you can't do without being punished. Maybe we ought to think about whether or not a convicted sex offender ought to have the same right to travel as everyone else does, especially when it's clear our own government actually doesn't welcome or support the travel, at least to certain places anyway. That's why they're alerting the foreign authorities no? So, why not prohibit the travel in the first place? The government prohibits travel under other circumstances. So why not for this? And problem solved with known sex offenders being turned away upon arrival. The Colombians would love it![/QUOTE]No one gives a fuck about these guys. Besides anyone with a ounce of sense already knows where they can go and not go. A Deep Red line needs to be drawn in the sand a Monger is not a sex offender. I don't want to help those guys but the short answer is anyplace that has a active forum with daily reports especially if they have a stupid shit subforum is not the country to visit as that country has enough tourism to be selective on who they let in You go to a place where the forum is a literal ghost town and they'll be let in and even granted leeway if they make another ¨mistake¨.

I get your question meaning why not tell them they can't go? Because that would be a violation of their rights and frankly no one cares any country would love it if their sex offenders hopped a plane and went else where so actually the Government kinda wants the sex offender to go elsewhere and if they fuck up they'the gladly allow the host government to send them straight to a third world dungeon.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3066456]I get your question meaning why not tell them they can't go? Because that would be a violation of their rights and frankly no one cares any country would love it if their sex offenders hopped a plane and went else where so actually the Government kinda wants the sex offender to go elsewhere and if they fuck up they'the gladly allow the host government to send them straight to a third world dungeon. Hope this Helps.

Trip.[/QUOTE]No, that doesn't help. Let me see now. So, the government can tell a guy who's in arrears on his child support that he can't travel? Can even take away his passport? But it can't impose the same kind of restriction on a sex offender because that would violate his rights? Oh boo hoo! I don't give a rat's ass about his right to travel and neither should anyone else. If Uncle Sam can stop deadbeat dads from traveling, it can stop sex offenders from traveling too. But once again, Americans are far too concerned with their rights and self expression, and not concerned enough with their obligations and self restraint!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3066396]Here are the druggings, robberies, and death number for foreigners in Medellin. For the recent talk of folks going to Belen, it appears that you will be 14 times more likely to be robbed in Poblado than in Belen. So you are actually less safe by staying in tourist infested areas. Keep in mind that this does not include the cases that people have not reported due to being ashamed or not wanting to brave the language barrier.[/QUOTE]Nice data presentation. It looks like their preferred prey is an American male out in public at night and early morning hours before sunrise. And it is about 50/50 that he will be scoped or held up with a heater. So, don't disclose American citizenship. One of the first questions the hoes ask is, "Where you from, Papacito?" Just say anywhere else except America or Mexico. LOL! Avoid the tourist areas and don't monger between sun down and sun up. Remain in a private area during hours of darkness, and you will be fine. Casas are not on the list of dangerous places.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3066396]Here are the druggings, robberies, and death number for foreigners in Medellin. For the recent talk of folks going to Belen, it appears that you will be 14 times more likely to be robbed in Poblado than in Belen. So you are actually less safe by staying in tourist infested areas. Keep in mind that this does not include the cases that people have not reported due to being ashamed or not wanting to brave the language barrier.[/QUOTE]Accurate about Belen. I stayed in Belen at Hotel Molinos for a week and it was a pleasant one compared to Poblado and downtown areas. It was a good middle class residential suburb, calmer and more authentic Colombian feel. Uber drivers even rolled down the windows so we could enjoy the weather and scenery while reassuring me that the area is safe. It is walkable to nearby casas, restaurants, and spas at least during the daytime.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3066396]Here are the druggings, robberies, and death number for foreigners in Medellin. For the recent talk of folks going to Belen, it appears that you will be 14 times more likely to be robbed in Poblado than in Belen. So you are actually less safe by staying in tourist infested areas. ...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the graphics. Interesting, but with an asterisk attached.

No surprise. Intuitively, all of us who know Medellin would imagine that outlying middle class neighborhoods removed from the nightlife action would be safer. And the first of your appended charts (on "Hurtos por Comuna" or "Thefts per Commune or Neighborhood") would, as you note, seem to confirm this to a dramatic degree.

But one needs more information to be able to interpret the graphic in a meaningful way. As is, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

Are the numbers absolute numbers (like total thefts per year)? Or some ratio like thefts per 1000 residents? In either case, one needs to know the population of each Comuna to make sense of the numbers.

And also one has to take into account that, in addition to residents, the streets of El Centro, Poblado, and Laureles, are populated daily with an influx of thousands of visitors from outside their boundaries.

Taking all the above into account, the difference in the risk for any one individual of being robbed in Poblado or Laureles vs Belen may not be as dramatic (14 to 1) as implied by the graphic.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3066476]Nice data presentation. It looks like their preferred prey is an American male out in public at night and early morning hours before sunrise. And it is about 50/50 that he will be scoped or held up with a heater. So, don't disclose American citizenship. One of the first questions the hoes ask is, "Where you from, Papacito?" Just say anywhere else except America or Mexico. LOL! Avoid the tourist areas and don't monger between sun down and sun up. Remain in a private area during hours of darkness, and you will be fine. Casas are not on the list of dangerous places.[/QUOTE]Colombians are not stupid. They know who they can prey upon without having to ask them where they're from.

Looking to visit March time next year and reports on here are great, much appreciated.

A report mentioned setting up a Fbook page to connect with girls.

I did this and it hasn't been successful so far, not sure if I've done something wrong or it's no longer a valid method.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3066396]Here are the druggings, robberies, and death number for foreigners in Medellin. For the recent talk of folks going to Belen, it appears that you will be 14 times more likely to be robbed in Poblado than in Belen. So you are actually less safe by staying in tourist infested areas. Keep in mind that this does not include the cases that people have not reported due to being ashamed or not wanting to brave the language barrier.[/QUOTE]That is not how you read those statistics. For example, if Poblado hypothetically hosts 20 times more foreign tourists than Belen but sees only 14 times more total crime, a tourist's individual risk is actually higher in Belen. Because Poblado's massive influx of visitors outpaces its volume of offenses, its tourist crime rate is only 70% of Belen's, meaning a traveler in Belen is 1.43 times more likely to encounter crime than one in Poblado.

Same when looking at what countries people originate from, if a massively larger amount of tourists come from the United States than, say, Mexico, then again, you can't just compare it based on the number of crimes against people from that country.

Result, more data is needed to make an accurate assessment.

OP. Thanks for posting the data. Interesting.

I agree with this analysis below. Absolute numbers without the context of the denominator can skew the perception. It would be reasonable to assume that there are 50 times more gringos in Poblado compared to Belen (may be even more). So if the absolute numbers, the crimes are 14 X then you are 75% less likely to be robbed or hurt in Poblado compared to Belen.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3066525]Thanks for the graphics. Interesting, but with an asterisk attached.

No surprise. Intuitively, all of us who know Medellin would imagine that outlying middle class neighborhoods removed from the nightlife action would be safer. And the first of your appended charts (on "Hurtos por Comuna" or "Thefts per Commune or Neighborhood") would, as you note, seem to confirm this to a dramatic degree.

But one needs more information to be able to interpret the graphic in a meaningful way. As is, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

Are the numbers absolute numbers (like total thefts per year)? Or some ratio like thefts per 1000 residents? In either case, one needs to know the population of each Comuna to make sense of the numbers.

And also one has to take into account that, in addition to residents, the streets of El Centro, Poblado, and Laureles, are populated daily with an influx of thousands of visitors from outside their boundaries.

Taking all the above into account, the difference in the risk for any one individual of being robbed in Poblado or Laureles vs Belen may not be as dramatic (14 to 1) as implied by the graphic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3066476]Nice data presentation. It looks like their preferred prey is an American male out in public at night and early morning hours before sunrise. And it is about 50/50 that he will be scoped or held up with a heater. So, don't disclose American citizenship. One of the first questions the hoes ask is, "Where you from, Papacito?" Just say anywhere else except America or Mexico. LOL! Avoid the tourist areas and don't monger between sun down and sun up. Remain in a private area during hours of darkness, and you will be fine. Casas are not on the list of dangerous places.[/QUOTE]See, this is what I mean when one starts looking at statistics that are lacking key information. People then jump to conclusions that are not statistically correct or accurate in any way. These are not conclusions to go by. Without any actual data, I'm pretty sure the number one group that suffers the most from crimes are local Colombians themselves, because they are the largest population there. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that the largest amount of crimes occur in the most crowded locations.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3066433]I go on [URL]booking.com[/URL] and reserve a name brand hotel, then I print out the confirmation. Then I cancel the name brand hotel and stay wherever. They can check airline reservations but not hotels.[/QUOTE]This is the diamond in a rough type info when common sense has left the building. Thank you!

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3066590]See, this is what I mean when one starts looking at statistics that are lacking key information. People then jump to conclusions that are not statistically correct or accurate in any way. These are not conclusions to go by. Without any actual data, I'm pretty sure the number one group that suffers the most from crimes are local Colombians themselves, because they are the largest population there. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that the largest amount of crimes occur in the most crowded locations.[/QUOTE]I agree with what you and others have posted here. Not to mention, the crime committed in areas like Belen, El Centro and the Botero area especially at night go unreported.

It is part of the daily life there. I have been going to Medellin for the past 10 years or so, most of the girls I know have been robbed in those areas.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3066476]It looks like their preferred prey is an American male out in public at night and early morning hours before sunrise. And it is about 50/50 that he will be scoped or held up with a heater. So, don't disclose American citizenship. One of the first questions the hoes ask is, "Where you from, Papacito?" Just say anywhere else except America or Mexico. LOL![/QUOTE]I always say I am from Brazil, so maybe that is why I have never had any problems in centro or Santa Fe or anywhere else! Even in Brazil I say I am from Brazil. They say but your accent. I say I am from Salvador. Then they are like that explains it.

[QUOTE=Combo;3066440]From what I understand, they've never stopped anyone wearing a bow tie from entering.[/QUOTE]Too funny! Even if it's a clip on! LOLOLOL!

Hey guys. I'll be in Medellin 6/12 to 6/22 if anyone wants to split bottle costs at one of the strip clubs or Lleras clubs. I speak Spanish fluently. Message me if you'd like.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3066462]No, that doesn't help. Let me see now. So, the government can tell a guy who's in arrears on his child support that he can't travel? Can even take away his passport? But it can't impose the same kind of restriction on a sex offender because that would violate his rights? Oh boo hoo! I don't give a rat's ass about his right to travel and neither should anyone else. If Uncle Sam can stop deadbeat dads from traveling, it can stop sex offenders from traveling too. But once again, Americans are far too concerned with their rights and self expression, and not concerned enough with their obligations and self restraint![/QUOTE]Picking on deadbeat dads makes for better political theater, especially among female voters. It is also more profitable for the government, as it gets to collect interest payments on child support arrears. On the other hand, it only makes money off Weird Waldos when they are incarcerated and used for prison labor. Also, in some States, men end up on the list simply because they got drunk, relieved their bladder in public, and a woman happened to pass by and record them on a cellphone with their dick out for the cops. Taking a leak in public is not a crime punishable by imprisonment in Colombia. It is an administrative offense punishable by a fine in excess of COP $700,000. Homeless persons without access to public toilets are exempt from punitive fines. So, a person on the sex offender list because he "exposed himself" while taking a leak in public may not be considered an inadmissible alien in Colombia.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3066805]Picking on deadbeat dads makes for better political theater, especially among female voters. It is also more profitable for the government, as it gets to collect interest payments on child support arrears. On the other hand, it only makes money off Weird Waldos when they are incarcerated and used for prison labor. Also, in some States, men end up on the list simply because they got drunk, relieved their bladder in public, and a woman happened to pass by and record them on a cellphone with their dick out for the cops. Taking a leak in public is not a crime punishable by imprisonment in Colombia. It is an administrative offense punishable by a fine in excess of COP $700,000. Homeless persons without access to public toilets are exempt from punitive fines. So, a person on the sex offender list because he "exposed himself" while taking a leak in public may not be considered an inadmissible alien in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Well, this gets to a part of the central point I'm trying to make. It's a public policy decision about who to target for what, and in which way. There's no problem currently with "picking on" deadbeat dads and not letting them travel for the reasons you note, and more. If public policy was such that we wanted to pick on "Weird Waldos" too and not let them travel, then we could do that too, and their supposed rights be damned. People need to remember that virtually none of our rights are absolute, and they can be regulated (it's a balancing act though since regulations can't be over broad or seen as unreasonably burdensome). It's pretty universally agreed though that in general, criminals should not enjoy the exact same rights and privileges as law-abiding citizens do. Sometimes even if the convict may have already served time for what they did (seems unfair but depending on the crime this can happen). The bottom line is that sex offender travel could be more strictly curtailed if that's what our government wanted to do as a matter of public policy (they would find a way to justify it believe me). But still, the fact of the matter is that travel restrictions [B]are[/B] placed on the citizenry by the government all the time, and for a multitude of different reasons. And for both things that people have done in the past, and for things it's feared they might do in the future. I have a friend who got into some legal trouble in the past, and for now she can't even legally travel outside of her own damn state, let alone outside of the entire country!

Bello is sweet.

Sorta feels like Medellin did 20 years ago.

No doubt it will become very popular.

You can search google for hotels just like anywhere.

Next time I go, will take my cell so I can get fotos.

Yeah be careful with your cellphones around town.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3063515]A lot of price discussions lately. I guess there is something for everyone. One can pay 50 k in el centro, 80-130 k in the casas, and on dating sites anything between 250 k and open end I guess.

Saying that, would you experienced guys say that 450 k, bareback, for a young stunning 10 is reasonable? That's what I'm paying, problem is I like here a lot and going to see her regularly. Haggling failed and well going to cry later, back home haha.[/QUOTE]Its worth it, yes. Some are getting 500 k+ and won't even respond for less.

A lot of the more photogenic chicas are getting 400+ mas uber.

Haggling usually doesn't end well. They are poor as FK.

It puts a strain on the relationship and affects attitude and performance.

Once she gets paid a certain amount anything less will feel like a demotion.

They see it as more sessions more work less pay. We see it as them trying to break the ATM versus appreciate the ATM.

They will float the idea for a weekly rate or monthly, but refuse to be paid after that time period.

Now I think if a chica claims she really likes you, it should be 200 or 300 max.

It is frustrating and gets even more strange when the chica isn't charging in cash yet is working me over for food attention small gifts or trips.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3063492]I second this as I recall one past favourite girl I met at the Mansion told me the same thing that Bello is not a place where foreigners should visit as there is a high risk of kidnappings there.[/QUOTE]There is 3 nice areas in bello. None of the areas where the SWs are is safe at night.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3063515]A lot of price discussions lately. I guess there is something for everyone. One can pay 50 k in el centro, 80-130 k in the casas, and on dating sites anything between 250 k and open end I guess.

Saying that, would you experienced guys say that 450 k, bareback, for a young stunning 10 is reasonable? That's what I'm paying, problem is I like here a lot and going to see her regularly. Haggling failed and well going to cry later, back home haha.[/QUOTE]Its worth it, yes. Some are getting 500 k+ and won't even respond for less.

A lot of the more photogenic freelance chicas are getting 400+ mas uber.

Haggling usually doesn't end well. They are poor as FK.

It puts a strain on the relationship and affects attitude and performance.

Once she gets paid a certain amount anything less will feel like a demotion.

They see it as more sessions more work less pay. We see it as them trying to break the ATM versus appreciate the ATM.

They will float the idea for a weekly rate or monthly, but refuse to be paid after that time period.

Now I think if a chica claims she really likes you, it should be 200 or 300 max.

It is frustrating and gets even more strange when the chica is a no cash "civilian" working me over for food attention small gifts or trips.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3067146]Haggling usually doesn't end well. They are poor as FK. It puts a strain on the relationship and affects attitude and performance. Once she gets paid a certain amount anything less will feel like a demotion.[/QUOTE]Are you saying this from experience or just spouting it as a theory? Because I always haggle and it seems to end well for me almost all of the time. Them being poor is a motivation for them to haggle, not make them feel like they are demoted. How would you know that haggling puts a strain on the relationship and affects attitude and performance? First you would have to know how the relationship etc is without haggling. Then you would have to do it again by haggling with the very same chick to have a comparison. Even still, you can not attribute a better or worse performance to be the effect of the haggling.

Most of these chicks know where they came from. They know that 100,000 is the status quo. They see the 500,000 foreigner as being an outlier, not an everyday occasion. So there would be a promotion to 500,000, not a demotion to 100,000. Besides that, you have to pan a lot of dirt (100,000) to get a gold nugget (500,000). Don't let them fool you. They have been through more dirt than you can imagine before they starting getting gold nuggets. And when shit starts teetering the other way it is no shock to them because they are already familiar with the dirt and can go right back to the 100,000 that they came from.

If you love fucking working girls bareback like me, you can usually get it for 300 to 600 mil pesos on Facebook or Insta. Depends on the *****.

In El Centro, you can fuck a street working girl for just 100 mil pesos.

Here in Medellíand, almost all the girls let you fuck raw now. Gringos don't want to use condoms anymore, so we all agree to take it bareback for extra cash. Most of us start at 300, but if you want to cum inside, we charge 100 or 200 more.

In the casas like Chica Plus, Angeles Spa or Ella Erotic, you pay the house fee first for the hour, then in the room you negotiate with the girl. We usually ask for another 100 or 200 extra to let you fuck us without rubber.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3067148]There is 3 nice areas in bello. None of the areas where the SWs are is safe at night.

Its worth it, yes. Some are getting 500 k+ and won't even respond for less.

A lot of the more photogenic freelance chicas are getting 400+ mas uber.

Haggling usually doesn't end well. They are poor as FK.

It puts a strain on the relationship and affects attitude and performance.

Once she gets paid a certain amount anything less will feel like a demotion.

They see it as more sessions more work less pay. We see it as them trying to break the ATM versus appreciate the ATM..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gilolo;3067190]If you love fucking working girls bareback like me, you can usually get it for 300 to 600 mil pesos on Facebook or Insta. Depends on the *****. In El Centro, you can fuck a street working girl for just 100 mil pesos. Here in Medelland, almost all the girls let you fuck raw now. Gringos don't want to use condoms anymore, so we all agree to take it bareback for extra cash. Most of us start at 300, but if you want to cum inside, we charge 100 or 200 more. In the casas like Chica Plus, Angeles Spa or Ella Erotic, you pay the house fee first for the hour, then in the room you negotiate with the girl. We usually ask for another 100 or 200 extra to let you fuck us without rubber.[/QUOTE]What about anal? I'm planning a big return to Colombia, and from my past experience there anal was extremely difficult to procure from most Colombian girls unless they really "liked" you, which takes more time to build with a girl versus being a "tourist monger" looking for anal on the "first date".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3067149]Are you saying this from experience or just spouting it as a theory? Because I always haggle and it seems to end well for me almost all of the time. Them being poor is a motivation for them to haggle, not make them feel like they are demoted. How would you know that haggling puts a strain on the relationship and affects attitude and performance? First you would have to know how the relationship etc is without haggling. Then you would have to do it again by haggling with the very same chick to have a comparison. Even still, you can not attribute a better or worse performance to be the effect of the haggling.

Most of these chicks know where they came from. They know that 100,000 is the status quo. They see the 500,000 foreigner as being an outlier, not an everyday occasion. So there would be a promotion to 500,000, not a demotion to 100,000. Besides that, you have to pan a lot of dirt (100,000) to get a gold nugget (500,000). Don't let them fool you. They have been through more dirt than you can imagine before they starting getting gold nuggets. And when shit starts teetering the other way it is no shock to them because they are already familiar with the dirt and can go right back to the 100,000 that they came from.[/QUOTE]I'm going to guess that you chat with these women and develop a little chemistry before you "make a deal. " In my experience you generally pay less that way and also get a better experience. If you just contact them on social media and use Google translate to negotiat x services for why amount of money, you likely have to pay the higher prices SuperSaint lists.

Better said - meet women in person, chat with them a bit and see if there's chemistry. If there's no chemistry, the experience could be lousy no matter how much you pay.

[QUOTE=Combo;3067222]I'm going to guess that you chat with these women and develop a little chemistry before you "make a deal. " In my experience you generally pay less that way and also get a better experience. If you just contact them on social media and use Google translate to negotiat x services for why amount of money, you likely have to pay the higher prices SuperSaint lists.

Better said - meet women in person, chat with them a bit and see if there's chemistry. If there's no chemistry, the experience could be lousy no matter how much you pay.[/QUOTE]No. I am a shit or get off the pot kind of guy. To me hookers are like McDonald's. I do not have to go over the menu 10 times and ask a bunch of questions before I pick a value meal. Most of the time I am walking up to a hooker (or approaching them online) and saying how much? Let's go. Never any problems. They know what they are there for. You can chat a bit and see if there is chemistry, but that does not mean shit. I am sure everyone has had shitty coworkers and thought to themselves or out loud amongst other coworkers, "How the hell did they get this job?" Everyone knows an interview process is a bullshit session. You say what you need to say in order to get the job. A recent poster in the Sosua section has found that out thd hard way. Hookers will say anything or act in a favorable way to get you to take them and that is in no way a determinant of performance.

I would like to know of the people who use the interview method, how many chicks are they turning away out of say every 10. Because if I am taking the time to meet up with a chick and buy coffee and shit, that is already time and money that I could have spent fucking. Not like I am paying these chicks hundreds of dollars. When I contact a hooker, I am ready to fuck. It is not to hold an interview session. Is there anyone who does not do interviews and gets a bad apple and is like, if only I had interviewed her first, I could have avoided this? I seriously doubt it.

Chicks already know how much money they are willing to take. You are not smooth talking them down by so-called chemistry building. Just like if you are trying to sell a car. You want to get the maximum that you can out of the deal, but you already know you will part with it if an offer of x amount comes in and not part with it if someone is only offering why amount.

Recently, in a social media group that I am apart of, the host asked if guys see everyday that divorces are taking place that are leaving other males with half or less of their shit, why are they so willing to get married? I said because guys are more hopeless romantics than women. Only thing this vetting is doing is making you think you know how to choose a good one. If a mf dated a chick for months or even years before getting married and he never thought she would take half of his shit, then you talking to a prostitute for 5 minutes before fucking her is not determining anything. Same when I got a chick at Conejitas that blew my socks off and squirted all over like a madwoman; my buddy went back 2 weeks later and got the same chick (he was with me when I got her) and said she was awful. It is all random and our "rituals" have nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3067149]Are you saying this from experience or just spouting it as a theory? Because I always haggle and it seems to end well for me almost all of the time. Them being poor is a motivation for them to haggle, not make them feel like they are demoted. How would you know that haggling puts a strain on the relationship and affects attitude and performance? First you would have to know how the relationship etc is without haggling. Then you would have to do it again by haggling with the very same chick to have a comparison. Even still, you can not attribute a better or worse performance to be the effect of the haggling.

Most of these chicks know where they came from. They know that 100,000 is the status quo. They see the 500,000 foreigner as being an outlier, not an everyday occasion. So there would be a promotion to 500,000, not a demotion to 100,000. Besides that, you have to pan a lot of dirt (100,000) to get a gold nugget (500,000). Don't let them fool you. They have been through more dirt than you can imagine before they starting getting gold nuggets. And when shit starts teetering the other way it is no shock to them because they are already familiar with the dirt and can go right back to the 100,000 that they came from.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying I would give 500.000, but to deny that they get it would just be dishonesty.

100 mil is not status quo for upper end freelancers.

They where getting 150 mil in 2015. Much of the time, money wasn't even brought up.

Sure many might drop a quick 50 or 100 mil during initial interaction.

I'm referring to offering less than their established rock bottom.

It turns into more cancelations, rushed time, or just half hearted effort. This is nothing new.

You are correct there are exceptions to every rule.

They also accept food, drinks, gym clothes, tennis shoes, necklaces, bracelets.

At least I'm not one of these clowns claiming its all free.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;3067190]If you love fucking working girls bareback like me, you can usually get it for 300 to 600 mil pesos on Facebook or Insta. Depends on the *****.

In El Centro, you can fuck a street working girl for just 100 mil pesos.

Here in Medelland, almost all the girls let you fuck raw now. Gringos don't want to use condoms anymore, so we all agree to take it bareback for extra cash. Most of us start at 300, but if you want to cum inside, we charge 100 or 200 more.

In the casas like Chica Plus, Angeles Spa or Ella Erotic, you pay the house fee first for the hour, then in the room you negotiate with the girl. We usually ask for another 100 or 200 extra to let you fuck us without rubber.[/QUOTE]This is nothing new. Anything to keep a high value client.

I figured ID catch some slack for saying 450.000 is acceptable.

For a 1 week tourists its not a bad deal for the star of his trip.

Many of them live far, 50 mil uber one way. 350 mas uber = 450 domi is common.

I don't like it but I'm not in denial.

For guys spending months or years here that price is not necessary.

I guess there are some resident high rollers who don't care.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3067261]This is nothing new. Anything to keep a high value client. I figured ID catch some slack for saying 450.000 is acceptable. For a 1 week tourists its not a bad deal for the star of his trip. Many of them live far, 50 mil uber one way. 350 mas uber = 450 domi is common. I don't like it but I'm not in denial. For guys spending months or years here that price is not necessary. I guess there are some resident high rollers who don't care.[/QUOTE]I just looked on XE, and $450,000 Colombian pesos was valued at $122.40 American dollars. And that's supposed to be "high rolling"? [B]Hahahaha[/B]! People have very different standards and use wildly different definitions for things. Or, at least their wealth and the amount of money in their bank accounts varies significantly (of course). For me, high rolling would be paying a tute 700 euros for 1 1/2 hours of limited, "vanilla" sex, which is what a girl here in Lisbon, Portugal quoted me the other night (uh no I did not go with her). In any event, rarely ever is it worth it to get into debates about how much money is appropriate to spend on a tute in any given country. At the end of the day, each man is his own "sovereign" monger and decides for himself what is appropriate. And his decision is final!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3067252] Most of the time I am walking up to a hooker (or approaching them online) and saying how much? Let's go. Never any problems.

I would like to know of the people who use the interview method, how many chicks are they turning away out of say every 10. Because if I am taking the time to meet up with a chick and buy coffee and shit, that is already time and money that I could have spent fucking. Not like I am paying these chicks hundreds of dollars. When I contact a hooker, I am ready to fuck. It is not to hold an interview session. Is there anyone who does not do interviews and gets a bad apple and is like, if only I had interviewed her first, I could have avoided this? I seriously doubt it.[/QUOTE]So funny you explain that doing interviews or having a coffee with the girls does not guarantee good service. Yet you just grab and go and you "Never any problems." Keep the dream alive in your head. No need to share.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3067256]100 mil is not status quo for upper end freelancers.[/QUOTE]All I am saying is that upper end freelancers were not always upper end. We have seen it time and time again in these reports. A guy is fucking a chick for 100,000. He has not seen her in quite awhile Next time he runs into her, she is saying she gets 500,000 now. How many guys here would pay 500,000 for the same chick they used to fuck for 100,000? Like Jamie Foxx said in reference to Jennifer Lopez, "J-Lo? I remember when you were Hey Ho. "

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3067261]Many of them live far, 50 mil uber one way. 350 mas uber = 450 domi is common.
[/QUOTE]50 mil Uber? That's not reality. You're getting tricked for 10-15 mil each way depending on your respective locations.

I agree it makes no sense. It's easy to avoid these games by hiring the uber yourself.

[QUOTE=Villainy;3067330]50 mil Uber? That's not reality. You're getting tricked for 10-15 mil each way depending on your respective locations.[/QUOTE]

Just came back from a week in Medellin. Stayed at The Host Hotel in El Poblado. Good location, nice hotel and relatively safe neighborhood. Did use Ubers for all travel, never had any problems.

My observations:

1. Parque Lleras great place to look around and build up some appetite, but for me a bit too commercial. The clubs play music so loud that any conversation is nearly impossible, especially if you have restricted knowledge of Spanish. Beautiful girls everywhere though.

2. My best experiences were in more private surroundings. First AlacartaVIP club. Paradise with a pool, jacuzzi and a line-up of top girls. You pick a girl out of the group, she sits with you for 20 minutes to get to know each other and see if you click. If you do you take her to the room for an hour of incredible action. All the girls are really sexy and hot. I took Layla, a Venezuelan girl of 25 with a killer body. Not only did she perform but she was great fun to be with. Cost in the end for everything was 138 Euros. Not the cheapest option, but great place.

3. My second succes was with Pasion Prepagos. The website has beautiful escorts which you can sort by location. I found Nikol, a MILF of 39 with a great body and matching attitude. Top session with everything included. You go to a safe apartment building, show your ID copy and a guard lets you in. Best thing was that at the end of our session she told me that she has a bunch of friends she could introduce me to. So later that evening she send me a couple of pictures and wow, they were all top notch. Cost was 180.000 COP. A bargain for the service. So I ended up taking two more sessions with her, each time inviting one of her friends to join us. One a big titted morena and one a real 10 rubia. Perfect threesomes with lots of kissing, great sex, a little lesbian play among them and just general fun and laughter. And then they also gave a very good massage for the last 20 minutes. Cost 400.000 COP for total each time.

4. I did go to a massage place once, Angels, but the service was way below what Nikol and her friends gave me.

All in all a great mongering trip, I will be back and stick with the options above.

PP2.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;3067190]......In the casas like Chica Plus, Angeles Spa or Ella Erotic, you pay the house fee first for the hour, then in the room you negotiate with the girl. We usually ask for another 100 or 200 extra to let you fuck us without rubber.[/QUOTE]We? Us? What gives?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3067302]All I am saying is that upper end freelancers were not always upper end. We have seen it time and time again in these reports. A guy is fucking a chick for 100,000. He has not seen her in quite awhile Next time he runs into her, she is saying she gets 500,000 now. How many guys here would pay 500,000 for the same chick they used to fuck for 100,000? Like Jamie Foxx said in reference to Jennifer Lopez, "J-Lo? I remember when you were Hey Ho. "[/QUOTE]Been saying this, people still act like all girls in Lleras worth 400 k, and they surprised with overpaying, ALL THEM girls stick to the same rate at that place, meanwhile they're used to 100 k that the locals pay, The girl you describe might have heard that at Parque Lleras she can get thirsty foreigners at 500 k, why would she stick to the 100 k rate,. They even now go to Panama so they can get paid in US dollars, $200 they would quote you there, in US dollars I repeat. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcJuoOU5vC4[/URL].

[QUOTE=BlackPantherXX;3066096]Since the dawn of time pussy always had different levels, that's why 'til this days theres what you call luxurious escorts, pussy aint made of Gold but for some reasons, its 'Deluxe'. As yourself mentioned it, Not all girl in Lleras are Deluxe in looks but this is the place any ratchet half-decent in look will come to command high fees, thanks to the thirsties.[/QUOTE]And you right, I think foreigners have this crazy notion that overpaying guarantees a great experience, (in part due to their lack of pussy experiences) and most of the times it's like seeing JLo for the first time, you'd be enticed to date and smash her, until you experienced her, and maybe go like 'meeeh'. Wasn't that worthy.

[QUOTE=Villainy;3067330]50 mil Uber? That's not reality. You're getting tricked for 10-15 mil each way depending on your respective locations.[/QUOTE]It is nearly 50 mil from Laureles to Copacabana during surge hours.

Yes the ride overcharging is out of control.

I had an uber "family" here with monthly limits set. It eventually got abused and my uber rating is lower.

Sometimes the chica and can talk the driver into running errands and it charges more.

The only way you'll know is when the receipt email comes or watching the ride.

I had a driver put a chica on the curbside for asking him to go twice as far as the original ride.

If they want cash reimbursement I ask to see the receipt.

Its best just to say figure it out, take a moto bus or train.

QUOTE=Peter Pan 2;3067448] I took Layla, a Venezuelan girl of 25 with a killer body. Not only did she perform but she was great fun to be with. Cost in the end for everything was 138 Euros. / QUOTE].

What exactly was included in the 138? Entrance fee, drinks, pool, Jacuzzi?Was additionals included like BBBJ?

[QUOTE=PeterPan2;3067448]I took Layla, a Venezuelan girl of 25 with a killer body. Not only did she perform but she was great fun to be with. Cost in the end for everything was 138 Euros.[/QUOTE]What exactly was included in the 138€? Entrance fee, drinks, pool, jaccuzi? Was additionals included like BBBJ?

138 Euro was my bill at the end of the night, so all was included.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;3067624]What exactly was included in the 138? Entrance fee, drinks, pool, jaccuzi? Was additionals included like BBBJ?[/QUOTE]

I will try this one last time. It is easy to avoid getting scammed over transport fees. You must book the trip yourself and you should only use ride share apps or taxis hired via ride share apps. If you follow those simple steps you will always know the cost of the ride and you will be able to accept the cost or decline it BEFORE the ride happens and before any charges are made. Any deviations from the agreed route or driver / chica scam attempts will quickly be refunded to you. There is an alternative, you can carry on handing cash to girls and hoping they are not taking advantage of you. You guys get to choose.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3067598]It is nearly 50 mil from Laureles to Copacabana during surge hours.

Yes the ride overcharging is out of control.

I had an uber "family" here with monthly limits set. It eventually got abused and my uber rating is lower.

Sometimes the chica and can talk the driver into running errands and it charges more.

The only way you'll know is when the receipt email comes or watching the ride.

I had a driver put a chica on the curbside for asking him to go twice as far as the original ride.

If they want cash reimbursement I ask to see the receipt.

Its best just to say figure it out, take a moto bus or train.[/QUOTE]

Day 1.

Got in early from a quick Bogota layover. Went to my studio right in Segundo parque Laureles and first thing I did was downed zinc like it was candy because I got sick last time. Showered, changed then immediately hit the streets.

***** 1: Attempted to see a really cute girl slim girl at Chicks Plus but communication got crossed and she wasn't available. Ended up leaving and hitting it up another slim cute girl named Sofia off Mile. Was a good experience, she was sick (see what I mean) but gave a good deep blowjob and rode dick pretty well. She kept eye contact the entire time. 8/10 170 k +60 k for natural oral.

Went home, grabbed some planeta Wings, then debated hitting up a girl ill call Cee. I've been in constant contact with since my March trip that I mentioned in that recap.

***** 2: I didn't know if I wanted to monger around before contacting her just in case she disrupted the free time. Attempted to hit up a couple possible and nothing materialized so I hit her up. A communication mix up led to me to believe she was coming over for the night but it really was a 1 HR home visit for 300 k. The redeeming factor was she let me hit it raw, lasted literally like 2 minutes LOL. Sent her back to work and hung around Jardin.

Day 2.

Mornings is when my libido is the highest but it's when casas and independents are most non responsive even if they're open. Sent out plenty of flyers and got no responses. Decided to hit up Angeles Spa. ***** 3: Mariana looked promising so booked. 6/10 face, fake tits slim body, 6/10, oral lasted 30 seconds as usual for Angeles, pussy was tight. 6/10 180 k +80 k natural oral.

After throwing out flyers all day couldn't arrange something hopeful, I realized 70 street was literally just a few minutes walking. So. L visited, got some salchilapapas and was accosted for a threesome by two friends. One was thin and cute, the other was chubby with a cute fact and big tits. It as tempting but decided against it looking back I should have indulged because I was looking for tits like hers all trip.

Day 3.

Hit up crepes and waffles for brunch, then Cee for a two hour session. She brought out a tiny vibrator, made her come but didn't nut over the two hours. She said she wasn't allowed to do raw, said she should continue to "take advantage" whatever that meant. Started questioning the purpose of our situation.

***** 4: Went back home and showered, hit up Hanna from Geishas. Tiny cute paisa that looked like he had some Asian in here 8/10. Small ass, tits and skinny but it all worked 7/10. Head was average because it was the size of her forearm but she took dick like a straight champ. She even asked me if I wanted a massage and I gave her one too. 8/10 170 k + 60 k natural oral.

Went back to 70 and watched the playoffs.

Day 4:

***** 5: daily I was hitting up a casa filled with old women who's specialty was BBBJCIM but their communication was ass. Stopped by and it was closed, then went to a tantric spa casa that ended with handjob or blowjob. The girl was middle Eastern looking cute, skinny with moderate tits but one of those slightly bulging bellies paisas sometimes have. May have been pregnant. The massage was interesting and the head was moreso a handjob with some head sucking periodically. 180 k +50 k natural oral. Hit up unicentro, a great burger place.

Was annoyed with Cee so I didn't hit her up till late. She wanted me to come through but told it seemed like she wanted to go home afterwards, I told her it was too late and I'll hit her up tomorrow. Went to check out lleras, was relatively dead but of course there were still working girls about. Got a number then went back home.

Day 5:

Got some rituales for breakfast, then headed over to Cee. Typical heavy making out sex but once again didn't nut because of condom. The next day was her birthday and we had plans to go to Guatape but she was acting distant the entire time. She said she wanted me to come back the next day with chocolates, wine and tequila to celebrate. Never mentioned Guatape but I wasn't going to pressure. Left and the old woman casa finally answered.

***** 6: Show up and the old woman says to wait a few. She then pulls up on a moto. Women is probably mid 40's but I admit she looks great with nice fake tits and ass. Think her name is Samantha. We go inside and she gets naked in a rush and starts sucking like there was a bomb timer on my nuts, and not in a good way. I only wanted head but I say fuck it, hit it missionary and doggy. As ass definitely wasn't fresh and it smelled like it. Took off the condom and had her finish with her mouth. Probably smelled like her ass but that's on her. Busted off in her Jaws. 7/10.

Went home, then walked back to MSB. There was a birthday party there and after a while a tall skinny girl walked in, saw me and did a double take, then asked for my name and said we should have fun tonight. She was very outgoing with everyone but wasn't particularly attractive but directly average so I still fuckable. And because she was so outgoing I figured she would be an amazing lay. I went to ATM and came back and she came out the bathroom and showed me like some chewing tobacco which turned me all the way off. Went home.

Day 6.

I set up an appointment for a blowjob but on the way there my Uber ran into a moto driver. Took that as a sign and went to éxito to gather Cees birthday stuff. While shopping for the stuff even though it was cheap, I found myself making sure I got the most affordable stuff possible as to not spend more money on her after wasting money on Guatape accommodations and visits without any time outside her casa. After some soul searching realized the situation wasn't worth it, but her shit back and blocked her. Went back to see hanna.

***** 7: Hit up a girl named Jazmin at Eclipse Rojo. She looked gorgeous from her ad but in person she was by far the most stunning woman I've ever laid eyes on. Long blonde braids, small upper body but just cartoonish proportioned hips and ass. Absolutely the smallest waist and biggest ass natural hips and ass I've ever seen. I highly recommend this woman.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/yazmin-blanquita-hermosa-con-el-culo-mas-rico-de-medellin/26423576/[/URL]

The blowjob was top 2 I've had in Medellin. I came in seconds from cowgirl. Came back every day and it goes without saying her back shots could make the world peaceful. Amazing personality to where I paid for hours where we just talked. That's the glory of Medellin. Dropped a gorgeous woman and within an hour found a girl that if she lived in America, would look at a man unless he was an athlete or entertainer. Face 9/10 body 16/10 performance 10/10.

I was so astonished it was my only play for the day.

Day 7.

Nothing eventful, went back to see Hannah and Jazmin.

Day 8.

That day I moved from laurales to El Poblado. Originally stayed in an apartment on 10 a but it was older than I imagined. Moved to a loft right in the middle of Lleras. Hit up Jazmin during the day for a 3 hour session. Went back to Lleras and picked up a young black paisa.

***** 8: This girl was slim with a small booty that poked out. I have a thing where when I pick up a Lleras girl I'll take her to Supa Shots for a drink and shot them to the Airbnb. She had tongue and lip rings but could tell she was young influenced by porn. Literally motorboated her tongue in my mouth and when fucking would pound away. But I didn't buy lube and she took a lot of tequila and that mixed with her jack hammering she got sore and had to cut it short from pain. She was a cutie but head was 6/10 and sex was 5/10.

***** 9: After that disappointment went to Lleras and picked up a girl who's number I got but was very average. Had her give me oral which was basic but it did the job. 6/10.

Day 9.

Hit up Jazmin today. Planned on doing a gauntlet of all the down town Casas but made it through 2 LOL.

***** 10: First was Zandalay. Only three girls and 2 were pretty bad. The average on was a black girl with a nice ass. Offered natural BJ for 80 and I declined. Lowered it to 50 and said fuck it. Pussy was tight I admit only washed with water after we were done. 7/10.

***** 11: Next was Amigas sexy. The girls were much better but not great. There was one skinny girl at the end with some nice tits and sass so I chose her. She was cute with some nice tits and ass for a skinny girl. I planned on saving my nut until the last casa but during doggy she was taking it deep and I said fuck it. Afterwards while chatting I told her I'm from Chicago and she excited showed me the shows Shameless and The Chi that she was watching. Told me she loved black guys. 9/10.

***** 12: Later that night saw a cute young looking that looked like she could be a character on Hannah Montana. Legit 8/10 face with the cutest smile, she had bee sting tits and small hips with a typical western woman young girl ass. Took her to Supa Shots and by then the bartender knew what was up. Told her to walk behind me because I didn't want the police putting me on a list. Got back and we had some passionate sex. I love how these lleras girls always put on YouTube and give a lap dance first. It's almost like they're taught by the same working girls.

I don't know what it is about these young small girls but I'm compelled to eat them like brunch. Licked her head to feet and sucked her clit like a chicken bone. Hoped she'd let me play in it raw but besides slapping it made me get a condom. Also didn't give head. But she threw what ass she had back. It was fun and she was adorable.

I unblocked Cee because I realized she probably thought I was drugged and kidnapped.

Day 10.

Shit gets serious.

***** 13: the entire week I was trying to link up with Cristal from Ellas erotic but it never worked out. I hit up their tele and she was open. Her tits are considerably smaller than her pics indicated and she was skinnier. Service was fine but the blowjob was probably the worst I've ever had. 5/10. Half time 120 k + 100 natural oral.

***** 14: Saw two girls sitting down in Lleras and set up a threesome. Went to get coffee and cash and hit up the girl who's number I got. She was absolutely gorgeous to me. Venezuelan with small chest and wide hips. Pearl skin and amazing face. Took her to supa shots then back to the telly. She fucked like a professional with lots of animated moaning and enthusiasm. But the service was distant as she even ran when I would kiss her amazing ass. Just a beautiful body. 300 k.

***** 15+16. So there was a cute girl walking around that I missed the day prior that I saw. She was with another girl and I walked up and the other girl spoke up. They ended up being sisters and she offered them both. She said one after another but that made me feel like I would be a the bag. Fucking a girl then saying alright, bring in your sister. But they insisted and I found it weird as FUCK so I told her just me and her. She was a complete crazy firecracker and fucked the shit out of me. She then insisted I try her sister and I said fuck it. Her younger sister came up and she fucked the shit out of me too. It's almost like she taught her little sis all of the moves to do. She didn't seem nuts like her sister but she was still skilled and I came in minutes. 10/10 for both.

After I was done with little sis, big sis send me a text asking how she was. Colombia is a completely different planet man LOL.

Day 11.

Day my flight left. Went back to eclipse Rojo to see Jazmin but didn't show up early like she said she would. Went with Mariana.

***** 17: She was a girl early 20's who was tall and hefty but cute. The sex was all okay, wanted a threesome but I was running behind and didn't know if it would delay me. 7/10.

Cee hit me up on the way home from a new number asking why I blocked her. Then on her personal with a sad emoji. Told her she was acting like I was a normal client so I'll start acting like one, no more financial benefits and when I come back I'll hit her up for the normal rates.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3061683]
Chica #1 - 26 yo, typical Medellin bimbo looks (pretty face, light skin, long dark hair, fake lips) with big fake tits, and a huge bouncy instagram-worthy booty. Looked like a BBL, but surprisingly was all natural. Nice personality, although the sex was a little cold, but her face and banging body made up for it. Did her two nights in a row, before she left town for the rest of the week on a family vacation. 400 k.[/QUOTE]I met this big-booty stunner described above on Tinder, and sessioned with her two nights in a row back in February. We didn't chat much on the app or Whatsapp before meeting, just the usual details to set up a meet. But in person she was nice and chatty and was interested in knowing things about me as we talked in my hotel for a bit before we got down to business. Her body and face were very hot, and she can really move her huge booty in reverse cowgirl position. She clearly knows to lean into her strengths, and defaults to reverse cowgirl and doggy style unless I request a different position. But as I mentioned before, sex with her felt a bit cold and distant. Not bad skill or bad service, just that she didn't seem to be enjoying herself and was only doing it for my benefit.

But I still had a good enough time with her and liked her enough that I wanted to see her again the next night before she left to the DR for a family trip and wouldn't be back in Medellin until after I would be leaving. I messaged her to see if she wanted to come over, and even though she was trying to get everything packed and ready last minute for herself, her daughter, her mom, and her sister, she came running right over to my place for some pussy delivery. As is often said, pros can warm up and give better and more personal service when you hook up with them more than once, and I have experienced this myself as well. I was hoping that this would happen with her, but nope, once again the sex seemed like her job and not like she was really into it. She did give me a massage though, which was nice. Afterwards she told me that she thought I was really sweet and cute and hopes she can see me again. Nice words, but I didn't get that vibe from the affectionless sex and lack of cuddling between rounds. Because her birthday was the next day (reason for her family trip), after the sex I invited her to come have dinner with me at a nice restaurant. She said couldn't because she had to finish getting everything ready for the trip, but that she'd take a rain check on the date.

After I left Medellin she messaged me a few times to check up on me and keep in touch, sending me some sexy pics and videos of herself from her DR trip in bikini and her clubbing outfits. When I came back towards the end of April, I decided to give her another chance and fucked her again at my hotel. Again, I didn't feel like we connected during the sex. And again, I invited her to go out with me for dinner or lunch, but she said she couldn't because she had things to do for her daughter that day. Seems like she's really only available for sex in exchange for money, and not interested in anything more personal than that. Honestly, probably the only reason I kept hoping that the sex would get better or that she'd want to do more than just that with me was simply that I find her so physically attractive.

The detached sex probably shouldn't surprise me. I should probably be more surprised by the high percentage of chicas who do give really fun / intimate GFE and are good at pretending to enjoy themselves (or are actually enjoying themselves).

* PARQUE LLERAS *.

During my very first trip to Medellin back in April of 2025, I went to the area around Parque Lleras a couple of times for dinner. When I walked around the park to see if it lived up to all the hype I had read about it, I was really surprised that the whole area seemed dead on a Thursday night. I could tell there were pros hanging out there, but seemed like very few. And very few tourists or other civilians in the restaurants and bars or walking around. And then the next night, on a Friday, I was shocked to find that it hadn't gotten any better. Why was this place dead on a Friday night? To be fair, on Saturday night it was a lot more active, with large groups of both tourists and pros out and about. Maybe it's because this was all during Semana Santa.

Fast forward to February of this year. After that second session with the chica I wrote about above, I headed down solo to Poblado to have dinner at my favorite restaurant in Medellin: Restaurante La Matriarca. Really good food with a special type of chicharon being their specialty, and they have live music almost every night or afternoon. After dinner, I decided to go for a walk and headed towards Parque Lleras. I had already nutted twice with my big-booty stunner, so I didn't have the energy or desire for more sex, but was curious to see what the activity at the park was like on this Thursday night. It was hopping! Tons of tourists all over, and even more working girls. On a Thursday it was more packed than on the Saturday last year. I decided to talk to a few chicas who looked sexy and get their Whatsapps for potential meetups in the future. All I had to do was stand on a corner while waiting for my Uber to show up and make eye contact with chicas I liked, and they came right over to talk with me.

Fast forward again to my next visit this April, and I went down to Poblado a couple of times for dinner or dance lessons. The park was very off and on in terms of quantity of chicas and tourists each time. Very few on Thursday, a lot on Sunday, and again very few on Monday. Seems like not just day of the week / holidays have an impact, but also the occasional chilly weather can keep people wanting to stay at home instead. So if you come to Parque Lleras on your first visit to Medellin and the streetwalker action seems disappointing, it might just not be your night, and you might find a totally different experience on another night.

Stay safe and have fun!

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3068067]* PARQUE LLERAS *.

During my very first trip to Medellin back in April of 2025, I went to the area around Parque Lleras a couple of times for dinner. When I walked around the park to see if it lived up to all the hype I had read about it, I was really surprised that the whole area seemed dead on a Thursday night. I could tell there were pros hanging out there, but seemed like very few. And very few tourists or other civilians in the restaurants and bars or walking around. And then the next night, on a Friday, I was shocked to find that it hadn't gotten any better. Why was this place dead on a Friday night? To be fair, on Saturday night it was a lot more active, with large groups of both tourists and pros out and about. Maybe it's because this was all during Semana Santa.[/QUOTE]You think? That's why veteran mongers always strongly advise newbies to stay away from traveling during the week of Semana Santa, as it's one of the absolute worst weeks of the year (probably [B]the[/B] worst) to go mongering in a Catholic country!

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3068067]Why was this place dead on a Friday night? To be fair, on Saturday night it was a lot more active, with large groups of both tourists and pros out and about. Maybe it's because this was all during Semana Santa.[/QUOTE]Sir, you have correctly identified the issue, and Semana Santa is the absolute worst time to be anywhere in Latin America or especially Spain. La Navidad is not quite as bad because they're jonesing for money.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3068067]..........Fast forward again to my next visit this April, and I went down to Poblado a couple of times for dinner or dance lessons. .......[/QUOTE]Got any positive vibes from non-pros at the dance lessons?

[QUOTE=Turgid;3068109]Got any positive vibes from non-pros at the dance lessons?[/QUOTE]I went to the dance class / social (DANCEFREE is the place) with another chica (report pending), so I didn't do any flirting or try to pickup anyone there. It was mostly Poblado gringas from various countries who came in groups and a few solo travelers too. Various ages, but most looked to be in their 20's, some of them hot. Lots of white girls, and some Asians and black girls too. (Funny coincidence, I ran into a few of those white girls walking around Centro Historico in Cartagena less than a week later.) And a few Colombian girls who were there as couples with gringo men, like my chica. The female dance teachers were hot, but I didn't interact with any of them.
If you want to dance and make some tourist friends or try to pick up gringas, it's a solid spot for that. If you're looking for Colombian non-pros, then the dance clubs and bars in Laureles are probably much better for that. I highly recommend the "Dating Colombians" thread in this forum if you want to learn how.

I've been to Medellin.

How's Bogota compared to Medellin?

How are the girls different?

How are the casas and clubs and street scenes different?

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3067884]Day 1.

Got in early from a quick Bogota layover. Went to my studio right in Segundo parque Laureles and first thing I did was downed zinc like it was candy because I got sick last time. Showered, changed then immediately hit the streets.

***** 1: Attempted to see a really cute girl slim girl at Chicks Plus but communication got crossed and she wasn't available. Ended up leaving and hitting it up another slim cute girl named Sofia off Mile. Was a good experience, she was sick (see what I mean) but gave a good deep blowjob and rode dick pretty well. She kept eye contact the entire time. 8/10 170 k +60 k for natural oral.

Went home, grabbed some planeta Wings, then debated hitting up a girl ill call Cee. I've been in constant contact with since my March trip that I mentioned in that recap.

***** 2: I didn't know if I wanted to monger around before contacting her just in case she disrupted the free time. Attempted to hit up a couple possible and nothing materialized so I hit her up. A communication mix up led to me to believe she was coming over for the night but it really was a 1 HR home visit for 300 k. The redeeming factor was she let me hit it raw, lasted literally like 2 minutes LOL. Sent her back to work and hung around Jardin..[/QUOTE]Which casa was this.

* 5: daily I was hitting up a casa filled with old women who's specialty was BBBJCIM but their communication was ass.

I can get sin codom but in the casas I have yet to get BBBJCIM.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3067884]Day 1.

Got in early from a quick Bogota layover. Went to my studio right in Segundo parque Laureles and first thing I did was downed zinc like it was candy because I got sick last time. Showered, changed then immediately hit the streets.

... [/QUOTE]Excellent report, man. You've given me a lot of inspiration for things to try out on my next visit to Medellin. Glad that you seemed to have a lot of fun, despite a few hiccups in your plans!

[QUOTE=Nottymrme;3068115]I've been to Medellin.

How's Bogota compared to Medellin?

How are the girls different?

How are the casas and clubs and street scenes different?[/QUOTE]

My opinions from my experience in both cities, and from talking to both foreigners and Colombians. I'm including info about Medellin too, for those guys browsing this forum who haven't been there yet. Of course, YMMV:

Bogota is bigger and uglier and rains a lot. Medellin is the pretty tourist city with (mostly) famously good weather. In Bogota, violent crime seems to be more obvious and pervasive, but supposedly scoping is much less common there than in Medellin. You'll notice far less expats and gringo tourists in Bogota than in Medellin.

On average, the females in Medellin are more attractive, with a higher per capita of stunners than Bogota. Many of them have plastic surgery and fake tits and even fake asses, which may or may not turn you off depending on your preference. I've found the chicas in Bogota to have more natural faces and bodies, on average. Lots of dark-haired and blonde chicas in Medellin. In Bogota, besides dark hair and dyed blonde hair, you also see a lot of chicas with dyed bright-red hair, like they're comic book superheroes. And shit-loads of tattoos.

I have found some of the Medellin chicas seeming airheaded or superficial, with their counterparts in Bogota seeming more down-to-Earth and hard-working.

Medellin has the famous Parque Lleras which is like a free-roaming hoe zoo for single male tourists to enjoy. Bogota has Santa Fe which is kinda like the cheaper dirty sketchy ghetto version of that.

Tinder is way more active in Medellin, so if you're into meeting chicas through dating apps then you'll get more and faster matches and meets there than you will in Bogota. I haven't met up with Bogota chicas from prepago sites, but I have heard that there is a large supply.

Chica prices are much higher in Medellin than in Bogota, often twice as much or more. Bogota seems to have more casas, which will give you the best bang for your buck in terms of time-to-price.

I like both cities for different reasons. I've spent a lot more time in Bogota, but am looking forward to getting to know Medellin better too, despite the higher prices for just about everything.

[QUOTE=AlexDeuce;3068118]Which casa was this.

* 5: daily I was hitting up a casa filled with old women who's specialty was BBBJCIM but their communication was ass.

I can get sin codom but in the casas I have yet to get BBBJCIM.[/QUOTE]It's called Belén la Nubia.

If you search for nubia in MILERÓTICOS it'll pop up.

They must have been going through a transition when I was there because they weren't answering and we're closed. But they recently updated their ads and status so maybe it's up and running again.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3067874]I will try this one last time. It is easy to avoid getting scammed over transport fees. You must book the trip yourself and you should only use ride share apps or taxis hired via ride share apps. If you follow those simple steps you will always know the cost of the ride and you will be able to accept the cost or decline it BEFORE the ride happens and before any charges are made. Any deviations from the agreed route or driver / chica scam attempts will quickly be refunded to you. There is an alternative, you can carry on handing cash to girls and hoping they are not taking advantage of you. You guys get to choose.[/QUOTE]I've had uber charge me more for chicas adding informal stops along the route.

The price you originally accept can change.

There was no way to prevent that, no notification, and it wasn't refunded.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3068161]Medellin has the famous Parque Lleras which is like a free-roaming hoe zoo for single male tourists to enjoy. Bogota has Santa Fe which is kinda like the cheaper dirty sketchy ghetto version of that.[/QUOTE]I've seen Centro area in Medellin with no intention of pulling there since they were visits to New Life casa instead. But whenever I see videos of Santa Fe in Bogota, it reminds me more of Medellin's Centro rather than Parque Lleras. Girls in Santa Fe seem just as dressed down and chubby plus just facially rough as the girls in Centro whereas the girls in Parque Lleras are just better dressed, facially more glamorous but just as chubby these days in my view.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3068161]..........I like both cities for different reasons. I've spent a lot more time in Bogota, but am looking forward to getting to know Medellin better too, despite the higher prices for just about everything.[/QUOTE]I've been to Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota and Cali. Overall I prefer Medellin. I preferred Cali to Bogota and Cartagena. The mongering in Medellin is the best and I found Medellin chicas hotter than the others. For me the mongering in Cali was better than Bogota and Cartagena even though Cali had greater numbers of enhanced butts than the other cities.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3068090]Sir, you have correctly identified the issue, and Semana Santa is the absolute worst time to be anywhere in Latin America or especially Spain. La Navidad is not quite as bad because they're jonesing for money.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was in Santo Domingo DR for most of December, and when talking with other guys there at the same time we all agreed that the chicas seemed "thirsty" for that Navidad money. So many chicas messaging us each day wanting to fuck us so they could get more dinero for Christmas shopping.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3068290]I've seen Centro area in Medellin with no intention of pulling there since they were visits to New Life casa instead. But whenever I see videos of Santa Fe in Bogota, it reminds me more of Medellin's Centro rather than Parque Lleras. Girls in Santa Fe seem just as dressed down and chubby plus just facially rough as the girls in Centro whereas the girls in Parque Lleras are just better dressed, facially more glamorous but just as chubby these days in my view.[/QUOTE]IMO Santa Fe is way better than Centro in Medellin. Nothing in MDE Centro comes remotely close to la Troya and Fiebre in Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3068067]* PARQUE LLERAS *.

During my very first trip to Medellin back in April of 2025, I went to the area around Parque Lleras a couple of times for dinner. When I walked around the park to see if it lived up to all the hype I had read about it, I was really surprised that the whole area seemed dead on a Thursday night. I could tell there were pros hanging out there, but seemed like very few. And very few tourists or other civilians in the restaurants and bars or walking around. And then the next night, on a Friday, I was shocked to find that it hadn't gotten any better. Why was this place dead on a Friday night? To be fair, on Saturday night it was a lot more active, with large groups of both tourists and pros out and about. Maybe it's because this was all during Semana Santa.

Fast forward to February of this year. After that second session with the chica I wrote about above, I headed down solo to Poblado to have dinner at my favorite restaurant in Medellin: Restaurante La Matriarca. Really good food with a special type of chicharon being their specialty, and they have live music almost every night or afternoon. After dinner, I decided to go for a walk and headed towards Parque Lleras. I had already nutted twice with my big-booty stunner, so I didn't have the energy or desire for more sex, but was curious to see what the activity at the park was like on this Thursday night. It was hopping! Tons of tourists all over, and even more working girls. On a Thursday it was more packed than on the Saturday last year. I decided to talk to a few chicas who looked sexy and get their Whatsapps for potential meetups in the future. All I had to do was stand on a corner while waiting for my Uber to show up and make eye contact with chicas I liked, and they came right over to talk with me.[/QUOTE]I've only been twice but in my limited experience there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the lleras activity levels. It seems like Thursdays and Wednesdays are the most active days for some reason. Maybe it's because the girls are trying to get money to spend on the weekends? Or they do their other jobs and study during the week, and going to Lleras is just another continuation of their work day.

I also noticed it really picks up later, like around 2 am. The sisters I was talking about said they got to the park at 3 am the prior day. But yeah its more dead on the weekends than during the week which is weird.

[QUOTE=Combo;3068340]IMO Santa Fe is way better than Centro in Medellin. Nothing in MDE Centro comes remotely close to la Troya and Fiebre in Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]What do you like about la Troya and Fiebra - ?

I have yet to make a trip to Bogata mostly because it does not have Medellin climate or Cartagena's beaches but I once made a comment on here back in the day when La Docle Vita (El Laguito further bac in the day) Dulce Vito (Centro, more recent) that other than Aisa I doubted that a monger could find the greatest concentration of working girs that could sometimes even be "stunners". Mr Enternational was quick to point out that I had obviously not been to Bogota. Is this what you mean about Troya and Fiebre?

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3068354]What do you like about la Troya and Fiebra - ?

I have yet to make a trip to Bogata mostly because it does not have Medellin climate or Cartagena's beaches but I once made a comment on here back in the day when La Docle Vita (El Laguito further bac in the day) Dulce Vito (Centro, more recent) that other than Aisa I doubted that a monger could find the greatest concentration of working girs that could sometimes even be "stunners". Mr Enternational was quick to point out that I had obviously not been to Bogota. Is this what you mean about Troya and Fiebre?[/QUOTE]They both have some pretty high quality women. Way better than you generally find in el Centro de Medellin. And you can do them right on the premesis. And they are also both fun places to party.

That said, I'm like you. I much prefer the climate and feeling of Medellin. I was just pointing out that Santa Fe is not equal to Centro in Medellin. Santa Fe is definitely worth hitting. Medellin Centro, not so sure (though I did once see possibly the two hottest Colombianas ever in el Raudal, but that was years ago and extremely unusual).

[QUOTE=Combo;3068362]They both have some pretty high quality women. Way better than you generally find in el Centro de Medellin. And you can do them right on the premesis. And they are also both fun places to party.

That said, I'm like you. I much prefer the climate and feeling of Medellin. I was just pointing out that Santa Fe is not equal to Centro in Medellin. Santa Fe is definitely worth hitting. Medellin Centro, not so sure (though I did once see possibly the two hottest Colombianas ever in el Raudal, but that was years ago and extremely unusual).[/QUOTE]On my next trip to Colombia I'll enter via Bogota and stay for a few days before going over to Medellin. I know that Troya and Fiebre are both strip joints with onsite rooms in Santa Fe kind of like the ones in Medellin. For some reason the YouTube videos of Santa Fe never show Troya and Fiebre although I can see them on Google Maps. When you claim the women are hot in these two venues, I just hope that they are a step above the girls outside on the streets at Santa Fe because in my view, they are pretty low quality.

I would like to compare the casas in Bogota to the ones in Medellin though. I just don't know enough of the casa scene in Bogota whereas in my next visit to Medellin, I'll return to New Life but hope to check out some other ones like Golden Time too.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3068290]Girls in Santa Fe seem just as dressed down and chubby plus just facially rough as the girls in Centro whereas the girls in Parque Lleras are just better dressed, facially more glamorous but just as chubby these days in my view.[/QUOTE]That is because Santa Fe is the hood red light district so they stay half naked. And their bodies are always freezing when you get them to the room. Lleras Park is an upscale zone, so they have to look somewhat presentable. You would not see them dressed like that if they were in 93 Park in Bogota, which is akin to Lleras Park in Medellin. Santa Fe is akin to Raudal in Medellin, although like 100 times bigger.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3068303]Yeah, I was in Santo Domingo DR for most of December, and when talking with other guys there at the same time we all agreed that the chicas seemed "thirsty" for that Navidad money. So many chicas messaging us each day wanting to fuck us so they could get more dinero for Christmas shopping.[/QUOTE]In Dominican Republic it is actually for 3 kings day which is celebrated in January. A lot of relatives come from other countries around Christmas though, because that is generally the vacation time in Europe and USA where they live.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3068350]I've only been twice but in my limited experience there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the lleras activity levels. It seems like Thursdays and Wednesdays are the most active days for some reason. Maybe it's because the girls are trying to get money to spend on the weekends? Or they do their other jobs and study during the week, and going to Lleras is just another continuation of their work day.

I also noticed it really picks up later, like around 2 am. The sisters I was talking about said they got to the park at 3 am the prior day. But yeah its more dead on the weekends than during the week which is weird.[/QUOTE]Not weird at all. They are with family on the weekend. You probably take weekends off as well and do things other than work, if you have a traditional job that is set up that way.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3068354]What do you like about la Troya and Fiebra - ?

I have yet to make a trip to Bogata mostly because it does not have Medellin climate or Cartagena's beaches but I once made a comment on here back in the day when La Docle Vita (El Laguito further bac in the day) Dulce Vito (Centro, more recent) that other than Aisa I doubted that a monger could find the greatest concentration of working girs that could sometimes even be "stunners". Mr Enternational was quick to point out that I had obviously not been to Bogota. Is this what you mean about Troya and Fiebre?[/QUOTE]That is because you are going to find chicks on these many square blocks of Santa Fe. Troya and Fiebre are only 2 of the clubs there. There are a several more. I really don't even go into those clubs though unless I am showing someone around, preferring to choose from the tons of chicks on the streets. And you will notice that some of the chicks off the street go into places like Troya to find customers. Fiebre is not like that though. The chicks in Fiebre just stay in there. They will have the traditional strip club gear on, whereas in Troya you will also find chicks with street clothes. Those are the ones going in and out.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3068379]I would like to compare the casas in Bogota to the ones in Medellin though. I just don't know enough of the casa scene in Bogota.[/QUOTE]Read the reports by Tomjackin and MasterMonger then. MasterMonger took me to so many damn casas when he was living in Bogota, even the one where I fucked as many chicks as I wanted for 20 minutes each for the 50,000 entry fee. I think there were 7 or so chicks there and when one left the room I would tell her to send in the next. Shit like BJ was like 20,000 extra per chick though. I just paid the 50,000 entry and fucked like 5. Does not get any cheaper than that.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3068302]I've been to Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota and Cali. Overall I prefer Medellin. I preferred Cali to Bogota and Cartagena. The mongering in Medellin is the best and I found Medellin chicas hotter than the others. For me the mongering in Cali was better than Bogota and Cartagena even though Cali had greater numbers of enhanced butts than the other cities.[/QUOTE]Cali it is then. Let's go, creampie 2026 #Bigbuttsmykryptonite#.

[QUOTE=BlackPantherXX;3068397]Cali it is then. Let's go, creampie 2026 #Bigbuttsmykryptonite#.[/QUOTE]You like augmented derrieres? Then go to Dr. Armor in Cali, the hugmongus buttocks capital of the world.

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Ok all me and my wife landed today and figured we would share customs experience. Keep in mind we are a couple so as many guessed things went well. Wanted to share though how it looked over all today. Obviously its a snapshot and only one plane was in line it seemed. Ok so landed and literally went through customs in 25 minutes. We walked up and customs agent said what hotel are you staying at. We told him and he stamped our passports and said have a.

Good day. Main reason I'm sending this isn't due to our experience but what else we observed. In front of us were two groups of mid 20 year olds. They were standing in line discussing all the partying they were going to do. Loudly. One stated how where they were going tonight there ten girls to each guy. My wife also noticed you could smell weed on them. We closely watched as they entered customs officers to see if they would be taken aside or scrutinized somehow. They were not at all. They whisked through customs without a problem. Again obviously a small snapshot but figured I would share. Also interesting there was a UFC fighter taking photos with some fans while waiting his turn to get passport stamped. Ok we are meeting a girl we hooked up with last time that we met at a gym tonight. She was from my wifes home town in Venezuela and they have been in contact alot since we left. Should be a fun night. Will send a few trip reports while here.

[QUOTE=Masseys1;3068774]Ok all me and my wife landed today and figured we would share customs experience. Keep in mind we are a couple so as many guessed things went well. Wanted to share though how it looked over all today. Obviously its a snapshot and only one plane was in line it seemed. Ok so landed and literally went through customs in 25 minutes. We walked up and customs agent said what hotel are you staying at. We told him and he stamped our passports and said have a.

Good day. Main reason I'm sending this isn't due to our experience but what else we observed. In front of us were two groups of mid 20 year olds. They were standing in line discussing all the partying they were going to do. Loudly. One stated how where they were going tonight there ten girls to each guy. My wife also noticed you could smell weed on them. We closely watched as they entered customs officers to see if they would be taken aside or scrutinized somehow. They were not at all. They whisked through customs without a problem. Again obviously a small snapshot but figured I would share. Also interesting there was a UFC fighter taking photos with some fans while waiting his turn to get passport stamped. Ok we are meeting a girl we hooked up with last time that we met at a gym tonight. She was from my wifes home town in Venezuela and they have been in contact alot since we left. Should be a fun night. Will send a few trip reports while here.[/QUOTE]What time did you come in and what day of the week?

[QUOTE=Jiniterinator;3068795]What time did you come in and what day of the week?[/QUOTE]We landed today June 2nd at 115 in afternoon.

Ok figured there was a few notables so would leave first report. Day one we met up with a lady we met at gym last trip. Went to Provenza at night with her for drinks, then back to hotel for some fun. She stayed the night and we sent her home in an uber at 9 am. She has been in constant contact with wife since we left and she actually was willing to get a std check that we requested as wife doesn't like to use dental dams. She also was good with me not wearing a condom and that was a huge bonus. We did pay for her testing which was 40 k cop. We gave her 450 k additional to spend night so all in around 500 k. This maybe alot for a single guy but honestly we thought a good deal for a couple. She is returning sat night. Apparently we are being told no alcohol as election was a tie or something? We will be prepared with our own stash. Day 2 we spent the dayside lounging at pool and enjoying views. Reason for review was night time. We went to Lleras and had drinks on corner bar in front of Glow. By 11 place was packed. Unfortunately there were two police that were stopping occasionally when a guy was chatting up a lady and asking questions and asking for ID. We couldn't hear what they were saying but there was no doubt what they were doing. We would add that it didn't stop anything at all for the most part. After questioning them police would return their ids and move on. We werent going to bring anyone back to hotel but a semi hot one kept smiling at me and the wife when she would walk by so finally she called her over and ten minutes later we were in uber and back at hotel. She was okish but wife rated session over all at a 6. ID rate it lower. She was ok but not really comfortable with a couple and said it was was her first time. Having a blast here again and will send a report in a few days again.

One thing I'd like to do on my first trip to Colombia is live out an orgy with at least 3 pornstar looking women in my hotel for a day or two. Like literally just lounge around a fuck them as much as I can in that day or two. See if I ever get tired. See if the desire ever goes away. It's amazing to me that here in the States you can go online to these cam sites and watch countless fine ass girls from Colombia / Medellin stick huge ass dildos up their asses. It should be just as easy to get that in Medellin. So from people who've been there, what would be the recommendation to have this type of event / arrangement done. Something where ID pay half up front and half when they leave or something to avoid the thought of them walking out on me. But whoever they are, they must be fine and willing to do everything. A2 M, CIM, gag, etc. That's really what I think is the dream over there. How would you set that up?

[QUOTE=Masseys1;3068946]She stayed the night and we sent her home in an uber at 9 am. She has been in constant contact with wife since we left and she actually was willing to get a std check that we requested as wife doesn't like to use dental dams. She also was good with me not wearing a condom and that was a huge bonus. We did pay for her testing which was 40 k cop. We gave her 450 k additional to spend night so all in around 500 k. This maybe alot for a single guy but honestly we thought a good deal for a couple. [/QUOTE]

In Medellin, 500 k for an all-night session with sleepover is actually a great deal. Most guys get that for around 1 million COP or more, and 400 k for just 1 hour. I don't know what the going rate for couples is, but I would assume it's at least a little more. Perhaps she's a semi-pro instead of a pro, or she just really likes the two of you.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3068999]In Medellin, 500 k for an all-night session with sleepover is actually a great deal. Most guys get that for around 1 million COP or more, and 400 k for just 1 hour. I don't know what the going rate for couples is, but I would assume it's at least a little more. Perhaps she's a semi-pro instead of a pro, or she just really likes the two of you.[/QUOTE]We thought it was a good rate as for a couple we are typically paying 400 k for a 1 to 2 hour session other wise. We met her last time here working at our gym. She ended up being from same town as wife and that's how it started. After we returned to US she has stayed in constant contact with my wife. She also wanted to pick us up at airport but I didn't feel comfortable with that. We see her again Saturday. She wants to do a dinner and then back to hotel for drinks and another session. So far so good but waiting to see if we are going to start hearing about a sick mom who needs surgery or something. We also have another girl we met last time for Sunday that was recommended by DiscoverFl. She charges us 400k also for a non rush session but not for the whole night. Thanks again DiscoverFl.

[QUOTE=Masseys1;3069007]We thought it was a good rate as for a couple we are typically paying 400 k for a 1 to 2 hour session other wise. We met her last time here working at our gym. She ended up being from same town as wife and that's how it started. After we returned to US she has stayed in constant contact with my wife. She also wanted to pick us up at airport but I didn't feel comfortable with that. We see her again Saturday. She wants to do a dinner and then back to hotel for drinks and another session. So far so good but waiting to see if we are going to start hearing about a sick mom who needs surgery or something. We also have another girl we met last time for Sunday that was recommended by DiscoverFl. She charges us 400k also for a non rush session but not for the whole night. Thanks again DiscoverFl.[/QUOTE]I can't say this enough, there are no set rates. They will charge what they can get. Same girl will demand 600 k and turn around and settle for 250 k. It's about them just trying to get the best deal possible. They don't carry a rate sheet. The answer to hearing later on about a sick mom or something, yes. At some point or other, when times are touch, most will ask for papaya. I usually let them know in advance that I will simply ignre those requests, and when I return, they never mention it again. I don't get upset for them asking, and I've learned they don't get upset for me not giving. Regarding the girl I may have recommended, I think know who you are talking about, and all I can say. Everything is negotiable. I happen to know she lives alone, so if you can't go back on the amount of money you offered. You can always negotiate on time. .

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3069009]I can't say this enough, there are no set rates. They will charge what they can get. Same girl will demand 600 k and turn around and settle for 250 k. It's about them just trying to get the best deal possible. They don't carry a rate sheet. The answer to hearing later on about a sick mom or something, yes. At some point or other, when times are touch, most will ask for papaya. I usually let them know in advance that I will simply ignre those requests, and when I return, they never mention it again. I don't get upset for them asking, and I've learned they don't get upset for me not giving. Regarding the girl I may have recommended, I think know who you are talking about, and all I can say. Everything is negotiable. I happen to know she lives alone, so if you can't go back on the amount of money you offered. You can always negotiate on time. .[/QUOTE]Send you a PM DiscoverFl but yes it's the same one we met last trip. And to your advice that's exactly what we negotiated. More time. We give her 400 k and she is quite happy with that. She also has been in contact with wife off and on since we left. We are going to see her likely Sunday but if not Monday.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3068171]It's called Beln la Nubia.

If you search for nubia in MILERTICOS it'll pop up.

They must have been going through a transition when I was there because they weren't answering and we're closed. But they recently updated their ads and status so maybe it's up and running again.[/QUOTE]Long time no see guys. I can affirm this. That is one of my favorite blowjob spots.

- 70,000 for one mouth.

- 130 for two mouths.

My only gripe with them is that they are one of those places where they try to get you out as fast as possible. I like to be edged. When that's their philosophy it can be risky. Risky to try to tip them into giving you a longer service but they're definitely a good spot especially if you don't mind a quick service or even applaud a girl for being able to finish you off quickly.

[QUOTE=HornyStud1969;3068947]One thing I'd like to do on my first trip to Colombia is live out an orgy with at least 3 pornstar looking women in my hotel for a day or two. Like literally just lounge around a fuck them as much as I can in that day or two. See if I ever get tired. See if the desire ever goes away. It's amazing to me that here in the States you can go online to these cam sites and watch countless fine ass girls from Colombia / Medellin stick huge ass dildos up their asses. It should be just as easy to get that in Medellin. So from people who've been there, what would be the recommendation to have this type of event / arrangement done. Something where ID pay half up front and half when they leave or something to avoid the thought of them walking out on me. But whoever they are, they must be fine and willing to do everything. A2 M, CIM, gag, etc. That's really what I think is the dream over there. How would you set that up?[/QUOTE]I'll be the bad guy and tell you that this is a dumb idea. Not the orgy itself, not trying to pursue your dream, but to show up on your first trip. I'm assuming you don't speak tons of Spanish. I assume you don't have any connections to lock yourself in a room with three strangers you don't know and expect them to comply and have sex with you without any problems.

There are a lot of variables that you won't be able to easily control. Doing threesomes or more is to know every one of the girls and to have had relations with them separate from each other, and that can take time because I also generally don't try to bring several prostitutes together. A lot of girls won't work with an unknown prostitute that they've not experienced.

What you're talking about, the way you're trying to set this up, you likely find three friends that work together, pay an absorbent amount, and get maybe a third of your dream because they're going to be trying to work as little as possible to get as much money as possible. That's the best case. The worst case is they rob your ass. This is a very risky strategy and I would advise against it. I would advise finding you a roster. What you're asking for sounds like something you should do with a roster that is semi-dependent on you or at least you have a good relationship with. I wouldn't do this with three random women but with women on a roster that is semi-dependent.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3025356]And I'll never understand why a grown ass man would try to tell another grown ass man how to spend their money. I get nothing in return? All three of these girls fuck my brains out and two of them are of super model quality in body and looks. One of them does all of my shopping and one of the other chicas is assisting me weed through the unfurnished apartment rental market, if you know anything about this then you know that it is extremely difficult for even Colombians to rent here due to the ridiculous requirements. All three girls have normal jobs as they are not your typical working girl, one is a manager in a large real estate company, one is a psychologist and the other is a full time student studying law. I pay each of them the equivalent of $250. -$350. Usd a month and they come to see me as often as I want. Every other day one of them comes to my apartment so I get my brains fucked out every other day,15 times a month for as long as I want sin condon and no rules for a grand total of $850. Usd a month. If what I'm doing is being a pathetic simp then I want to stay a pathetic simp forever. You sir are a clueless mofo.[/QUOTE]I know this is an old post and I'm here to do the furthest thing from criticizing. I believe in this system and I've been implementing something similar. I would really like to understand how you found the women because I think that is an extreme bargain. For somebody that also stays here for a long time you can easily spend more than that if you want sex every other day. That price can balloon to 1,600 easy.

Can you give us some tips about how you found such compliant sugar babies? How do you keep them happy and what can guys like me do to emulate your success?

Ok day 3 was comuna 13 and off to Provenza and Parque Lleras. We wound up at same bar in Lleras we always drink at as first row tables are right where girls walk by. I think name is Licoexpress. Had a blast but it was just one of those nights where nothing happened. For us as a couple sometines there isn't the same amount of opportunities we think as you have to find ladies that are bi. Many simply aren't interested. This was kind of one of those nights. The girls walking by that smiled at us we weren't into. There was only one real possibility with one wife liked. Hot girl would rate her a 8. 5. Wife chatted her up and she asked for 700 k for one hour. Sorry but even as a couple hell no. So night ended with no luck but that's fine we had alot of fun. Day 4 we went to the gym we go to daily and just hung out and had drinks at pool. Night time back to same bar at Lleras. We stayed partying until midnight and then once again we just didn't like available options and decided to walk out and call Uber. On way to go to Calle 10 (I think that's what its called) to hail Uber we find probably our second best experience in Medellin. As we are walking we get that smile and wife starts the chat. She asks for 400 k for what she calls no rush on time session. Into Uber and off to hotel. Get to room and she says lets shower. All in shower and off to bed. The sex was great and she was absolutely terrific with a couple. After an hour of banging she asks if we want a massage. After this she wants drinks and her and wife talk for another hour plus. Beyond great experience and we will be bringing her back Tuesday. Looks she is a 7 in my book and body was the same. Very tight as well. You could find better looking for sure but for a couple this is almost as good as it gets. Tonight we see our gym girl. I told my wife I think for this visit tonight needs to be last meet as she seems to be getting a little clingy. She texts my wife daily and don't want lines getting blurred. I told wife we can see her again after tonight but not on this visit. Here for 5 more nights so will leave another report later.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;3069232]I tried using an agency this afternoon and they wanted me to pay upfront before giving the location. I had to go to a money transfer place and make a deposit. However, it's Saturday afternoon and all the places I went to closed early. I wasted way too much time trying other locations in my area and gave up when it was clear I couldn't make my requested appointment time. If it had been a weekday, it would have been easy. Even Google had the wrong hours of operations and I went there to find it closed.

This is the first time in Colombia I've been asked to pay before showing up to the location. It was only 240 k. Anyone else experience this?[/QUOTE]Possibly a scam. Never pay or send money in advance.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;3069232]I tried using an agency this afternoon and they wanted me to pay upfront before giving the location. I had to go to a money transfer place and make a deposit. However, it's Saturday afternoon and all the places I went to closed early. I wasted way too much time trying other locations in my area and gave up when it was clear I couldn't make my requested appointment time. If it had been a weekday, it would have been easy. Even Google had the wrong hours of operations and I went there to find it closed.

This is the first time in Colombia I've been asked to pay before showing up to the location. It was only 240 k. Anyone else experience this?[/QUOTE]Dude, you're joking right?

This is clearly a fucking scam LOL. Please tell me you're kidding, there is no way someone could be this gullible. If any local place were to ever make you do this, they'd just have you transfer money through PayPal or something. Scammers use money transfer places because they don't have to use a bank account which would require the personal information of the scammer.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;3069232]I tried using an agency this afternoon and they wanted me to pay upfront before giving the location. I had to go to a money transfer place and make a deposit. However, it's Saturday afternoon and all the places I went to closed early. I wasted way too much time trying other locations in my area and gave up when it was clear I couldn't make my requested appointment time. If it had been a weekday, it would have been easy. Even Google had the wrong hours of operations and I went there to find it closed.

This is the first time in Colombia I've been asked to pay before showing up to the location. It was only 240 k. Anyone else experience this?[/QUOTE]FYI deposits are 100% illegal in Colombia.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuB_BpEfi8c[/URL]

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;3069223]I know this is an old post and I'm here to do the furthest thing from criticizing. I believe in this system and I've been implementing something similar. I would really like to understand how you found the women because I think that is an extreme bargain. For somebody that also stays here for a long time you can easily spend more than that if you want sex every other day. That price can balloon to 1,600 easy.

Can you give us some tips about how you found such compliant sugar babies? How do you keep them happy and what can guys like me do to emulate your success?[/QUOTE]I don't believe this for a second.

It would be nearly impossible for the average part timer to do in mde ctg bog.

Most chicas get possessive and jealous when they feel they're doing you a favor.

Possibly for a guy with permanent residency, land, car, perfect Spanish, and presenting himself in the boyfriend wrapper.

Even upper class nationals spend more than a million pesos a month on their sugars.

Day 5 is second date this trip with our gym girl. Drinks at hotel then we went to a place called Criminal's Tacos I think. Decent food but nothing great. Back to hotel for more drinks and then some fun. We also saw her last trip and it's always a great session. That being said after the sex we wanted to end night and it wasnt easy to get rid of her. She kept wanting another drink and dropping hints about staying over. Wife finally ended it but it wasnt easy. She sent a text when she got home and another good morning and are you available today text. She is a nice girl and obviously a non pro but it's just getting a bit much. I told wife we can see her next trip.

Day 6 was a wash as we got some kind of food poisoning we think from empanadas at a gas station. Vomiting diarrhea and a slight fever. We woke up today and it has passed. Weird it only lasted like a day or less. We are back at it tonight and headed to Lleras to hopefully find some fun. Will send last trip report later. Having a blast here minus the food poisoning. That bad decision on empanadas was due to alcohol of course.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3069492]I don't believe this for a second.

It would be nearly impossible for the average part timer to do in mde ctg bog.

Most chicas get possessive and jealous when they feel they're doing you a favor.

Possibly for a guy with permanent residency, land, car, perfect Spanish, and presenting himself in the boyfriend wrapper.

Even upper class nationals spend more than a million pesos a month on their sugars.[/QUOTE]I think it is very doable. The OP said he gives each lady $250-$350 each month. I doubt he gives them USD, probably one million COP. Each lady sees him five times every month. I'm fairly sure some of my lady friends would see me five times for 200 mil each time if they knew they had a guaranteed imcome of one million.

As for the upper class nationals, do they spend three million a month on their sugars? That's what the OP says he spends.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;3069223]Can you give us some tips about how you found such compliant sugar babies? How do you keep them happy [/QUOTE]It seems you already have the game messed up. What the hell are you paying them for, then worrying about keeping them happy? When you go to your mechanic, doctor, airline, stock broker, or any place else where you spend your money, are you worried about keeping them happy? You are fucking paying them to be compliant and keep [B]you[/B] happy. There is no wonder why guys can't get normal chicks and when they do, they let them run all over them.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3069492]I don't believe this for a second.

It would be nearly impossible for the average part timer to do in mde ctg bog.

Most chicas get possessive and jealous when they feel they're doing you a favor.

Possibly for a guy with permanent residency, land, car, perfect Spanish, and presenting himself in the boyfriend wrapper.

Even upper class nationals spend more than a million pesos a month on their sugars.[/QUOTE]Easily doable if you live there. Especially if you're a decent guy, somewhat young, and speak Spanish. The chicas aren't "doing you favor. " You're doing them a favor. They know they can count on you for a few safe encounters a month and they have a nice consistent income flow. They know you're not going to attack them; they know they're not going to get in trouble. Having a safe consistent source of income is a very attractive thing for many of them.

You understand.

[QUOTE=Combo;3069598]Easily doable if you live there. Especially if you're a decent guy, somewhat young, and speak Spanish. The chicas aren't "doing you favor. " You're doing them a favor. They know they can count on you for a few safe encounters a month and they have a nice consistent income flow. They know you're not going to attack them; they know they're not going to get in trouble. Having a safe consistent source of income is a very attractive thing for many of them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;3069598]Easily doable if you live there. Especially if you're a decent guy, somewhat young, and speak Spanish. The chicas aren't "doing you favor. " You're doing them a favor. They know they can count on you for a few safe encounters a month and they have a nice consistent income flow. They know you're not going to attack them; they know they're not going to get in trouble. Having a safe consistent source of income is a very attractive thing for many of them.[/QUOTE]I misread the 15 days a month part. I think its very doable in smaller cities.

Supermodel quality? Like the hottest chica in el tesoro on a weekend?

And they show up exactly 5 or more days?

No asking for food? Drinks? Month after month?

They accept the million pesos at the end of the month?

I had one from cartago who I would rank tops in attractiveness doing it for 250 per session.

This is rare and I'm here 180 days / yr.

Yes I think Colombians who have 400 million peso land cruisers and fincas in Llanogrande and Retiro can easily spend a million per sugar.

I saw her while she was on a trip in Merida Mexico but she's back home in Medellin now so I thought I'd put the review here:

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/rubiadelgadaestrechitacon-garganta-profunda/26312004/[/URL]

She blurs her face in her posts at home in Columbia but she is very attractive; an easy 9. Good enhanced chest and great skin everywhere. She was 3000 pesos total with oral sin globito and she didn't spill a drop. Also went down on her; clean and fresh. She offered me a repeat the next night for 2000 but I wasn't able.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3069665]I misread the 15 days a month part. I think its very doable in smaller cities.

Supermodel quality? Like the hottest chica in el tesoro on a weekend?

And they show up exactly 5 or more days?

No asking for food? Drinks? Month after month?

They accept the million pesos at the end of the month?

I had one from cartago who I would rank tops in attractiveness doing it for 250 per session.

This is rare and I'm here 180 days / yr.

Yes I think Colombians who have 400 million peso land cruisers and fincas in Llanogrande and Retiro can easily spend a million per sugar.[/QUOTE] I've walked around Tesoro dozens of times and never seen a supermodel-looking woman.

[QUOTE=Combo;3069725]I've walked around Tesoro dozens of times and never seen a supermodel-looking woman.[/QUOTE]You can find the supermodel ones in El Tesoro mall SMART FIT gym. Thank me later.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;3069729]You can find the supermodel ones in El Tesoro mall SMART FIT gym. Thank me later.[/QUOTE]Those there, and at the Milla de Oro gym, are going to be wanting a tad more than a million a month. Make that x5-x10.

[QUOTE=CZ6Y48;3069687]She was 3000 pesos total with oral sin globito and she didn't spill a drop. Also went down on her; clean and fresh. She offered me a repeat the next night for 2000 but I wasn't able.[/QUOTE]Your numbers are unclear. 3,000 COP is 84 cents in USD, so that's not right. 300,000 COP is $85 USD and that seems too low (200,000 would be $56) .

What's left, $3,000,000 COP? That is $842 USD! That's higher than Miami-based Russian Model types!

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3069814]Your numbers are unclear. 3,000 COP is 84 cents in USD, so that's not right. 300,000 COP is $85 USD and that seems too low (200,000 would be $56) .

What's left, $3,000,000 COP? That is $842 USD! That's higher than Miami-based Russian Model types![/QUOTE]I assumed it was 3000/2000 Mexican pesos, if not 300,000/200,000 Colombian pesos.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3069551]I think it is very doable. The OP said he gives each lady $250-$350 each month. I doubt he gives them USD, probably one million COP. Each lady sees him five times every month. I'm fairly sure some of my lady friends would see me five times for 200 mil each time if they knew they had a guaranteed imcome of one million.

As for the upper class nationals, do they spend three million a month on their sugars? That's what the OP says he spends.[/QUOTE]At least one guy gets it. The security of knowing what their income for the month is makes it very attractive to the girls. Also, I don't live in Medellin and these are not run of the mill working girls. And to the poster that doesn't believe me, good I'll just keep living my life here in Manizales, the city with the most universities per capita in all of Latin America, wink wink.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3069814]Your numbers are unclear. 3,000 COP is 84 cents in USD, so that's not right. 300,000 COP is $85 USD and that seems too low (200,000 would be $56) .

What's left, $3,000,000 COP? That is $842 USD! That's higher than Miami-based Russian Model types![/QUOTE]He said he saw her in Mrida, which is in Mexico, so 3. 000 Mexican pesos is about $175 US.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3069818]At least one guy gets it. The security of knowing what their income for the month is makes it very attractive to the girls. Also, I don't live in Medellin and these are not run of the mill working girls. And to the poster that doesn't believe me, good I'll just keep living my life here in Manizales, the city with the most universities per capita in all of Latin America, wink wink.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between the expats who stay for a while and the short term visitors to the girls. The expats are a steady income who they can rely on for a longer period of time so the girls are more willing to take a lower rate in anticipation of a number of sessions in the month. It doesn't have to be monthly rate. Just a lower rate than they would charge a guy visiting for a week in the expectation that there will be more sessions in the near future.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3069849]He said he saw her in Mrida, which is in Mexico, so 3. 000 Mexican pesos is about $175 US.[/QUOTE]What the fuck is the point of previewing my post if it does not post like it previews?

Day 7 we headed back to Lleras and drank at our same bar. We must have been there alot as the server said she was saving our table. We had a blast but it literally poured all night. Girls still came out though and walked with umbrellas or stood under over hangs. We didn't see anything that we liked and headed out. We had a contact from Pasion Prepagados site and decided to give her a shot. 400000 cop and an hour later and ended session. She was definitely girl in photos and it was a decent session but doubt we would repeat. Day 8 and 9 were both spent with Maria we met earlier at Lleras. Again outstanding sessions. She charged 400000 cop ( although wife tipped her 100k more)and stayed around 4 hours or more each night. After the sex she would just hang out in bed naked with us drinking. I would highly recommend this girl to any couples as she is terrific. I know there arent many couples on here but for the few that are feel free to PM me and I will send her info. We asked her if she was good with us sharing her Whatsup and she is.

Ok unfortunately headed to airport but we will likely be coming September for 2 weeks to a month. Had an absolutely great time minus the food poisoning!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3069855]There is a difference between the expats who stay for a while and the short term visitors to the girls. The expats are a steady income who they can rely on for a longer period of time so the girls are more willing to take a lower rate in anticipation of a number of sessions in the month. It doesn't have to be monthly rate. Just a lower rate than they would charge a guy visiting for a week in the expectation that there will be more sessions in the near future.[/QUOTE]Your point is well taken. Some girls actually reason these things out. One girl told me that she knew guys who live here. She said they are older and retired so less money (compared to the tourist guys who have less time and thus will pay more). Also as you pointed out they are available for 'citas' far more often.

But the reality is most girls are superficial and are thinking very short-term.

I've been reading the forum here for a month. Info is all over the place as far as pricing.

I usually visit Monterrey Mexico. What advantages would Columbia have over Monterrey? I'd like to try something different but I'm seeing that I may have issues with customs. The area is not as safe. Prices may be around $50-100 usd per hour which is the same as Mexico if I've read all this right.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3069492]I don't believe this for a second.

It would be nearly impossible for the average part timer to do in mde ctg bog.[/QUOTE]LOL. I am not sure I would call myself average but I had sugar babies in several Colombian and Mexican cities.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3069492]Most chicas get possessive and jealous when they feel they're doing you a favor.[/QUOTE]No, that comes if you swear you are only fucking them. If you tell a woman you are banging other women and she is free to bang other men, possessiveness is rarely an issue.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3069492]Possibly for a guy with permanent residency, land, car, perfect Spanish, and presenting himself in the boyfriend wrapper.[/QUOTE]Not true. Two of the best looking women I have seen in Colombia were with old as fuck American men.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3069492]Even upper class nationals spend more than a million pesos a month on their sugars.[/QUOTE]Nah, they do not have to. There are no workplace restrictions on banging your secretary / co worker. The first 10 in Colombia I ever saw was a secretary for some financial firm and knowing what I know now, I am sure she was giving head to get ahead. Guys can get laid on the company dime.

I used seeking to meet the hotties but I know now that I would not need to. I would print up business cards and hand them to attractive women and offer them an interview for a job or put up ads on [URL]indeed.com[/URL] for swimsuit models and screen them as potential sugar babies.

Colombia and the USA have a lot more in common than people think, but one huge difference is the lack of power women have there. There are no sexual harassment lawsuits, and the American Karens with their "Well, I am so offended and outraged and need to speak to a manager this instant" does not happen in Colombia. I tried to get the female cousins of my gal to insult me as a joke, and they would not do it.

Sexual affairs are way more out in the open. My American SBs would have died had they put my marriage at risk. My gal's dad had three mistresses and one called his wife and flat out said she was going to steal him from her. One of my SBs was like best friends with her bastard half sister, a product of one of her father's affairs.

Colombian women are raised from birth to go after men with $. If you give the women an out by asking if they are married or have a BF, you are not going to get shot down / humiliated for asking if a woman wants to be a SB of yours.

The problem with American guys is they go after the wrong women. The lower classes and hooker types cannot think of anything long term, and that is what guys here focus on and get burned. The white collar women, the ones who seem unapproachable, are the ones guys should be approaching. I had no luck with anyone other than white collar workers or women studying to be white collar workers. They are the only ones in Colombia I met who can think long term. Hope that helps.

There is a ton of overlap on pricing between Mexico and Columbia especially when you consider the price range.

After being all over I'm focusing more on where I want to visit these days. Any decent sized city is going to have a ton of options and I'm going to be spending most of my time doing things besides mongering so that is more important to me than trying to visit someplace with the absolute cheapest tail.

Good hunting!

[QUOTE=Appalachian;3070063]I've been reading the forum here for a month. Info is all over the place as far as pricing.

I usually visit Monterrey Mexico. What advantages would Columbia have over Monterrey? I'd like to try something different but I'm seeing that I may have issues with customs. The area is not as safe. Prices may be around $50-100 usd per hour which is the same as Mexico if I've read all this right.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Villainy;3069934]Your point is well taken. Some girls actually reason these things out. One girl told me that she knew guys who live here. She said they are older and retired so less money (compared to the tourist guys who have less time and thus will pay more). Also as you pointed out they are available for 'citas' far more often.

But the reality is most girls are superficial and are thinking very short-term.[/QUOTE]I am that long term 12 plus years here in Medellin expat, now retired, and have a handful of girls at my disposal some girls in my stable have been seeing for 8 years and the sex and companionship is better than ever before.

I know another long term older retired gringo expat, he keeps things on the down low, but he has about 5 or 6 chicas between 18 and 24 that he has been seeing for years, so his Sugar Babies. Reasonable monthly pricing LOL, he literally does these chicas at least twice or three times every day, just the way he rolls. His sessions average cost is between 150.000 and 180.000 pesos and he is a happy camper.

Now as an expat long term here there are benefits that go beyond just the pricing cost point, these are girl next door, under the radar sugar babies and not any hint of playing games or drugging / cheating rather some good fun lovin.

Now one of my main chicas is a spitten image of Linda Ronstadt when she was 22 years old, demur, feminine and damn sexy, love it.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Appalachian;3070063]I've been reading the forum here for a month. Info is all over the place as far as pricing.

I usually visit Monterrey Mexico. What advantages would Columbia have over Monterrey? I'd like to try something different but I'm seeing that I may have issues with customs. The area is not as safe. Prices may be around $50-100 usd per hour which is the same as Mexico if I've read all this right.[/QUOTE]Pricing really depends on the quality and convenience you're looking for.

30 minutes at a downtown casa is like 80 k pesos which is $25 usd but the women aren't going to be amazing. Freelancers around centro are going to be around the same. One hour will be 100-110 k.

Casas in Belén are around 120-150 k per hour, 100 k per 30. The girls are great by global standards but mid range in Colombia.

Casas in Laureles are 180 k per hour, 120 k per 30. These girls are going to be some of the best looking girls you'll find in Casas. The finest women I've ever seen in my life have been here. This is also about how much you'll pay for girls that advertise online.

Lleras girls are going to be 300-400 k on average. They say per hour but they're leaving after you finish one time. These girls are all dolled up and offer the high end image. The most exotic and augmented girls will ask for usd around 150-200.

As long as you have hotel info ready and don't have dildos, condoms and viagra in your bag you'll have no issues with customs. And as far as crime, the chances of being a victim as slim as long as you don't stroll around with valuables showing or drink around tinder dates.

[QUOTE=Appalachian;3070063]I've been reading the forum here for a month. Info is all over the place as far as pricing.

I usually visit Monterrey Mexico. What advantages would Columbia have over Monterrey? I'd like to try something different but I'm seeing that I may have issues with customs. The area is not as safe. Prices may be around $50-100 usd per hour which is the same as Mexico if I've read all this right.[/QUOTE]Yes, hoe prices in Colombia are all over the place. It largely depends on where you are finding the chicas, what services you are looking for, and how much time you have to negotiate and turn down the ones who demand high prices in favor of searching for the ones who will accept more economical prices. It also varies by city: for example, in Bogota the typical prices are a bit lower than $50 to $100 range, while in Medellin the typical prices are a bit higher than that. But you can find cheaper and more expensive in both.

I'm surprised to hear that this is the typical range in Mexico, since I have read multiple guys on this forum complaining about how expensive Mexico has become, particularly Tijuana.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3070099]Yes, hoe prices in Colombia are all over the place. It largely depends on where you are finding the chicas, what services you are looking for, and how much time you have to negotiate and turn down the ones who demand high prices in favor of searching for the ones who will accept more economical prices. It also varies by city: for example, in Bogota the typical prices are a bit lower than $50 to $100 range, while in Medellin the typical prices are a bit higher than that. But you can find cheaper and more expensive in both.

I'm surprised to hear that this is the typical range in Mexico, since I have read multiple guys on this forum complaining about how expensive Mexico has become, particularly Tijuana.[/QUOTE]As a guy who has recently and will be doing a pit stop in Tijuana, Prices are north of 100. Both agency and HK. My preference is agency as I get better quality time and the whole hour, minus the staff hassles. This is not the thread to discuss this but yeah, Tijuana has lost its value. I used to go 4/5 times a week for 3 yrs. Now, I would rather pass and do trips elsewhere and fun in the exploration. MDE, I have passed also. Greedy Airbnb landlords and just anti-gringo looks when I arrive has taken me out of there. Go where you are wanted.

Thank you guys for the responses. I'm not used to getting good information so quickly on this forum.

I can't speak to Tijuana. I've never been there. But I have a pretty thorough understanding of Monterey if anyone wants to know anything in particular.

There are plenty of in calls north of $100 and the quality is going to be very hit or miss. I have experience with several agencies. The clubs are universally.

A rip off. Some guys like the club scene, but it's not for me.

Where I found the best value in Monterey is the massage places. There's a place where $35 get you 30 minutes open 24 hours a day. The girls are bad looking either but they're not eights or nine. There's another spot I know that's around 50 for 30 minutes. All the other girls is not any better but the rooms were nicer.

My number one recommendation is a place called Cleop's. My friend who visits the Germany saunas says it's almost on par with those. $100 even for the full hour right now. I think 30 minutes was around 60 bucks. Some of the hottest girls I've seen and they all come out and dance for you. GFE and a BBBJ was included.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3070086]

The problem with American guys is they go after the wrong women. The lower classes and hooker types cannot think of anything long term, and that is what guys here focus on and get burned. The white collar women, the ones who seem unapproachable, are the ones guys should be approaching. I had no luck with anyone other than white collar workers or women studying to be white collar workers. They are the only ones in Colombia I met who can think long term. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]One of my requirements to being one of my sugar babies is they must have a real job and either be a university grad or currently going to university in addition to holding a job. It weeds out a lot of garbage.

[QUOTE=SBeach25;3070101]As a guy who has recently and will be doing a pit stop in Tijuana, Prices are north of 100. Both agency and HK. My preference is agency as I get better quality time and the whole hour, minus the staff hassles. This is not the thread to discuss this but yeah, Tijuana has lost its value. I used to go 4/5 times a week for 3 yrs. Now, I would rather pass and do trips elsewhere and fun in the exploration. MDE, I have passed also. Greedy Airbnb landlords and just anti-gringo looks when I arrive has taken me out of there. Go where you are wanted.[/QUOTE]I'm in search for kinda white looking chicas. Is it possible in Colombia or are they lower class dark skinned?

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070208]I'm in search for kinda white looking chicas. Is it possible in Colombia or are they lower class dark skinned?[/QUOTE]Good news. Plenty of lower class white looking chicas in Colombia. You have come to the right place.

You should try Russia or maybe Estonia.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070208]I'm in search for kinda white looking chicas. Is it possible in Colombia or are they lower class dark skinned?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3070224]Good news. Plenty of lower class white looking chicas in Colombia. You have come to the right place.[/QUOTE]That's great, I love the southern European frenchi looking ones.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070208]I'm in search for kinda white looking chicas. Is it possible in Colombia or are they lower class dark skinned?[/QUOTE]The women you're likely to meet will be lower class, regardless of color.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070208]I'm in search for kinda white looking chicas. Is it possible in Colombia or are they lower class dark skinned?[/QUOTE]Seems like you're more likely to find European style white girls in Brazil.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070208]I'm in search for kinda white looking chicas. Is it possible in Colombia or are they lower class dark skinned?[/QUOTE]IF it is just for looks then yes, plenty in Colombia as others have replied. The darker ones are normally around the coastal area. The higher class however normally don't want to be around gringos unless you are invited into their circle. They don't want the stigma of being associated with the street girls. If you want a more normal before the Cov, go to the 3 coffee towns. Little colder but there you will be more accepted.

[QUOTE=SBeach25;3070257]IF it is just for looks then yes, plenty in Colombia as others have replied. The darker ones are normally around the coastal area. The higher class however normally don't want to be around gringos unless you are invited into their circle. They don't want the stigma of being associated with the street girls. If you want a more normal before the Cov, go to the 3 coffee towns. Little colder but there you will be more accepted.[/QUOTE]Do I have a chance with a chica that works in a juice stand or street shop?

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3070253]Seems like you're more likely to find European style white girls in Brazil.[/QUOTE]This is very true. Same in Argentina and Uruguay (small population).

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3070232]You should try Russia or maybe Estonia.[/QUOTE]Estonia is not great for punting, Poland is much better if you are looking for white slavic chicks.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070260]Do I have a chance with a chica that works in a juice stand or street shop?[/QUOTE]I've met a couple when I first arrived and talked up a couple of bartenders at resteraunts and hotels. So yes. If you have enough charm.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070260]Do I have a chance with a chica that works in a juice stand or street shop?[/QUOTE]The same chance that you would have with any other women on the planet. Nobody knows you, your language skills, your personality, or your game to be able to answer that question.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070260]Do I have a chance with a chica that works in a juice stand or street shop?[/QUOTE]Hahaha Remember the CapitalOne commercials? "What's in your wallet?" If you aren't young, handsome, charming and a fluent Spanish speaker revert to the Beneficios Mutuos approach. Love doesn't conquer all. But sometimes money will.

On a related note, I could not use my Capital One ATM card anywhere in Colombia last time I was there. Capital One bought Discover and now their ATM cards only work on that network. There were none that I could find in the entire country. Luckily I was able to send Money to my AirBnB hosts and they gave me cash.

[QUOTE=Villainy;3070343]Hahaha Remember the CapitalOne commercials? "What's in your wallet?" If you aren't young, handsome, charming and a fluent Spanish speaker revert to the Beneficios Mutuos approach. Love doesn't conquer all. But sometimes money will.[/QUOTE]

Fair play, it's unrealistic to think you are going to have your with with a member of Colombian high society for a handful of pesos. I think I made a mistake trying to reason with a racist.

[QUOTE=Combo;3070241]The women you're likely to meet will be lower class, regardless of color.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VinDici;3070299]Estonia is not great for punting, Poland is much better if you are looking for white slavic chicks.[/QUOTE]Especially since Estonians are not Slavs.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070260]Do I have a chance with a chica that works in a juice stand or street shop?[/QUOTE]I've tried. The better your mastery of the language the better your chances.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3070196]One of my requirements to being one of my sugar babies is they must have a real job and either be a university grad or currently going to university in addition to holding a job. It weeds out a lot of garbage.[/QUOTE]I've been doing the sugar babe thing now for the past year back home. I currently have three. Each one has some sort of issue. Two are unemployed and the third can't hold a job. Good luck finding a sugar babe who's normal.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3070388]I've been doing the sugar babe thing now for the past year back home. I currently have three. Each one has some sort of issue. Two are unemployed and the third can't hold a job. Good luck finding a sugar babe who's normal.[/QUOTE]Good luck is right! I mean, I think a prerequisite for a girl to be on Seeking is to have "some sort of issue". The one super successful arrangement I had before she moved was hot as hell, but fucked up as hell too with many issues came to find out. She tried to hide shit, but I ended up finding out about things anyway, especially after I did a background check on her shifty ass (to know exactly what I was dealing with and to protect me from any entanglements I didn't want). She told me she wasn't a liar. Well, she didn't exactly tell the truth about stuff either by withholding "material facts". There's no telling how much I still don't know. She moved, married some loser, then two years later they got divorced. Better him than me! Good riddance. There are a lot of fucked up women out there. I would rather keep renting at this point.

[QUOTE=CZ6Y48;3070351]On a related note, I could not use my Capital One ATM card anywhere in Colombia last time I was there. Capital One bought Discover and now their ATM cards only work on that network. There were none that I could find in the entire country. Luckily I was able to send Money to my AirBnB hosts and they gave me cash.[/QUOTE]That is why it is a good idea to have two ATM cards at two different banks just in case you run into problems. A backup alternative is also good just in case your ATM card gets swallowed up by the ATM machine.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3070390]Good luck is right! I mean, I think a prerequisite for a girl to be on Seeking is to have "some sort of issue". The one super successful arrangement I had before she moved was hot as hell, but fucked up as hell too with many issues came to find out. She tried to hide shit, but I ended up finding out about things anyway, especially after I did a background check on her shifty ass (to know exactly what I was dealing with and to protect me from any entanglements I didn't want). She told me she wasn't a liar. Well, she didn't exactly tell the truth about stuff either by withholding "material facts". There's no telling how much I still don't know. She moved, married some loser, then two years later they got divorced. Better him than me! Good riddance. There are a lot of fucked up women out there. I would rather keep renting at this point.[/QUOTE]I CAN FIX THEM! - every Joe.

[QUOTE=Vip6682;3070208]I'm in search for kinda white looking chicas. Is it possible in Colombia or are they lower class dark skinned?[/QUOTE]Well, I'm going to ignore the part where you seem to suggest that lower class and dark skinned are equivalent things. That is a tad prejudiced. Instead, since this is the Medellin forum, I'll give you an option.

If you go to "LOS Patios" Hostel in Manila, they actually have two of them. On the rooftop, they have a bar, and on weekdays (I don't know the exact days, maybe it's Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday), they have free music classes in the afternoon, right around the time it starts turning dark.

You will usually find a decent collection of young Northern European white blonde girls there, all trying to learn local music with very few male partners and a DJ calling out for the guys to join in and help the girls. They are friendly, looking to make friends, and easy to engage. Make some friends, invite them out to dinner, enjoy your evening!

Arrived on Saturday the 6th of June in the Laureles area. My first time in Medellin. I had a great time and averaged about one different girl per day. I tried online prepago sites, casas, and hunting in the wild in both Laureles and El Poblado where I had an Air BnB about half a block south of Parque Lleras. I had both good and bad results with each method of hookup.

On-line: I found WhatsApp numbers from websites mentioned here and elsewhere. Prices and reliability varied widely. Most have a base rate requiring condom for everything, then ask for an up-charge for everything else.

Casas: I went to Ellas Erotica and had a great time with a girl for a very reasonable price (250 pesos included natural oral). I used their website to schedule with the girl that I liked and when I arrived all went as expected.

I also tried Loutron and was disappointed with the line-up. At about 2:30 on a Saturday afternoon nine girls came out. All were overweight, old, or otherwise unattractive. For the 470 pesos base rate I chose not to session with any. As I have read mixed reviews about Leutron, it might have been a bad day for them. The location was very cool. I was expecting a lot more.

Hunting in the wild. Parque Lleras between 10 and 2 am Has dozens, maybe hundreds of girls walking around dressed up with nowhere to go. Easy to approach and inquire as to whether they are working or not and prices. I hooked up there three of the three nights I stayed there. Of course, prices and results varied. It seemed the base asking rate was 300 400 pesos everything covered. Negotiable after that.

The Parque had heavy police presence who would ask people who were lingering to move on. Stopped me and one girl that I was talking to and asked for IDs. Each of us were of legal age with passports and after lecturing the woman for about 5 minutes they let us move onback to my Air BnB where we closed the deal!

Overall, it was a good first trip.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3070451]I CAN FIX THEM! - every Joe.[/QUOTE]Typo. Wrong F word.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3070388]I've been doing the sugar babe thing now for the past year back home. I currently have three. Each one has some sort of issue. Two are unemployed and the third can't hold a job. Good luck finding a sugar babe who's normal.[/QUOTE]I've been with dozens of girls from Seeking and my experience has been that the ratio of girls with issues on Seeking is no different than non working girls and a shit ton less than hookers. If a guy can't sort out the wackos and scammers immediately or certainly after the first meetup that is on him, I can spot most of them prior to meeting in person and 99% of them get weeded out before hitting the cama. I guess it also depends on what one considers "normal" and what one considers to be an "issue". We all have some kind of issue, I know I do, LOL. I have been with plenty of Seeking girls that I consider normal enough and have no major issues in my book.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;3070451]I CAN FIX THEM! - every Joe.[/QUOTE]With more and more and [B]more[/B] money! LOL!

[QUOTE=CZ6Y48;3070351]On a related note, I could not use my Capital One ATM card anywhere in Colombia last time I was there. Capital One bought Discover and now their ATM cards only work on that network. There were none that I could find in the entire country. Luckily I was able to send Money to my AirBnB hosts and they gave me cash.[/QUOTE]The Capital One purchase of Discover is actually a pretty big deal for the holders of Capital One cards. In the States, people won't notice anything different. It's when you go overseas and try to use your Capital One card when you're going to notice since the Discover payment network is not nearly as prominent overseas as Visa and MasterCard, or even American Express. One of the best cards you can have for getting cash overseas is the Schwab debit card. They refund all ATM fees (not conversion fees though so look out), which is a damn good deal! I keep waiting for the sad day when they say they won't do that anymore. But so far after many years so good!

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3070467]I've been with dozens of girls from Seeking and my experience has been that the ratio of girls with issues on Seeking is no different than non working girls and a shit ton less than hookers. If a guy can't sort out the wackos and scammers immediately or certainly after the first meetup that is on him, I can spot most of them prior to meeting in person and 99% of them get weeded out before hitting the cama. I guess it also depends on what one considers "normal" and what one considers to be an "issue". We all have some kind of issue, I know I do, LOL. I have been with plenty of Seeking girls that I consider normal enough and have no major issues in my book.[/QUOTE]Having issues typically means having to deal with ongoing emotional, psychological, or behavioral problems that make one unhappy or difficult to deal with. I believe that I have no issues but who knows there may be someone who thinks that I have, it can be a matter of personal perception. From the babes point of view perhaps a woman must have some sort of issue to be taking money for sex either through the hooker route or the sugar way.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3070538]The Capital One purchase of Discover is actually a pretty big deal for the holders of Capital One cards. In the States, people won't notice anything different. It's when you go overseas and try to use your Capital One card when you're going to notice since the Discover payment network is not nearly as prominent overseas as Visa and MasterCard, or even American Express. One of the best cards you can have for getting cash overseas is the Schwab debit card. They refund all ATM fees (not conversion fees though so look out), which is a damn good deal! I keep waiting for the sad day when they say they won't do that anymore. But so far after many years so good![/QUOTE]Thanks for this warning.

I used my C1 card there last year.

So are you saying it won't work anymore?

If Discover had bought C1, then I would understand what you posted.

Since its the other way around, C1 bought Discover, how would this make a difference?

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3070098]Pricing really depends on the quality and convenience you're looking for.

30 minutes at a downtown casa is like 80 k pesos which is $25 usd but the women aren't going to be amazing. Freelancers around centro are going to be around the same. One hour will be 100-110 k.

Casas in Beln are around 120-150 k per hour, 100 k per 30. The girls are great by global standards but mid range in Colombia.

Casas in Laureles are 180 k per hour, 120 k per 30. These girls are going to be some of the best looking girls you'll find in Casas. The finest women I've ever seen in my life have been here. This is also about how much you'll pay for girls that advertise online.

Lleras girls are going to be 300-400 k on average. They say per hour but they're leaving after you finish one time. These girls are all dolled up and offer the high end image. The most exotic and augmented girls will ask for usd around 150-200.

As long as you have hotel info ready and don't have dildos, condoms and viagra in your bag you'll have no issues with customs. And as far as crime, the chances of being a victim as slim as long as you don't stroll around with valuables showing or drink around tinder dates.[/QUOTE]Which casas in laureles?

[QUOTE=Nottymrme;3070706]Thanks for this warning. I used my C1 card there last year. So are you saying it won't work anymore? If Discover had bought C1, then I would understand what you posted. Since its the other way around, C1 bought Discover, how would this make a difference?[/QUOTE]Discover like Visa, MasterCard, and American Express is a payment network. But what sets Discover and American Express apart from MasterCard and Visa is that the former two also issue their own cards that are serviced exclusively through their respective payment networks. One reason Capital One wanted Discover is because by owning it and using its payment network exclusively, it would no longer need to pay either MasterCard or Visa to use theirs. Whether Capital One bought Discover or the other way around would make no difference as long as the decision to exclusively use Discover's payment network was made. Now, whether or not your Capital One card will work overseas will depend upon whether the merchant accepts Discover's payment network. And since Discover is not as common around the world as the "Big 3" as I call them, the chances are much higher you won't be able to use your Capital One card as much overseas right now. For that reason, my advice would be to make sure you have a card (s) serviced by MasterCard or Visa as your primary go to (I would not even rely upon American Express primarily unless it's a hotel or restaurant maybe). I don't have any Capital One cards, but I do hold a Discover card that is now a part of the Capital One family.

[QUOTE=FoolOnTheHill;3070717]Which casas in laureles?[/QUOTE]Angeles, eclipse Rojo, Geishas and chicas plus are great starts.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3070718]Discover like Visa, MasterCard, and American Express is a payment network. But what sets Discover and American Express apart from MasterCard and Visa is that the former two also issue their own cards that are serviced exclusively through their respective payment networks. One reason Capital One wanted Discover is because by owning it and using its payment network exclusively, it would no longer need to pay either MasterCard or Visa to use theirs. Whether Capital One bought Discover or the other way around would make no difference as long as the decision to exclusively use Discover's payment network was made. Now, whether or not your Capital One card will work overseas will depend upon whether the merchant accepts Discover's payment network. And since Discover is not as common around the world as the "Big 3" as I call them, the chances are much higher you won't be able to use your Capital One card as much overseas right now. For that reason, my advice would be to make sure you have a card (s) serviced by MasterCard or Visa as your primary go to (I would not even rely upon American Express primarily unless it's a hotel or restaurant maybe). I don't have any Capital One cards, but I do hold a Discover card that is now a part of the Capital One family.[/QUOTE]I have been in 17 countries since this merger took place and use my Capital One card all the time with no issues. I used it in Colombia in October. I am using it in Ecuador right now. I have been on the road for thirteen and a half months, using both my Capital One cards constantly and have never had them rejected. All over Europe, Centro and South America.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3070763]I have been in 17 countries since this merger took place and use my Capital One card all the time with no issues.[/QUOTE]I just did some quick research that revealed that as of mid-2026, Capital One is still in the process of transitioning all of its cards over to the Discover network, which is what I thought. Right now, they're a mix of MasterCard, Visa, and Discover processed cards, with new cards being issued using the Discover network exclusively. The goal is for all card activity to be eventually processed using the Discover payment network. So, if you're an existing card holder, a reason you may not have had any problems is because you have one of the old cards still on either the MasterCard or Visa network. Do your cards have MasterCard or Visa logos on them? When all Capital One cards are transitioned over to the Discover payment network, it's not that all of a sudden they won't be accepted at all anywhere overseas. It's just that they won't be accepted as much because the Discover payment network still isn't as large as those for Mastercard, Visa, and American Express. For the widest acceptance one should [B]always[/B] have a MasterCard or Visa card available. Don't chance it with only an American Express or Discover processed card.

When you say "use" are you referring to debit purchases (point of sale)? Based on my experience, any merchant that accepts debit cards accepts the new Capital One debit cards. The problem I've had, and I think the problem the original poster is referring to, is ATM acceptance. I haven't found an ATM in Colombia that accepts the new Capital One card.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3070763]I have been in 17 countries since this merger took place and use my Capital One card all the time with no issues. I used it in Colombia in October. I am using it in Ecuador right now. I have been on the road for thirteen and a half months, using both my Capital One cards constantly and have never had them rejected. All over Europe, Centro and South America.[/QUOTE]

This happened some time ago. Around sunset, I was walking north along Cra 53 and I was thinking about turning a corner and going east on Calle 51 into the actual plaza. However I noticed that the plaza was already quite empty so I didn't think it was worth exploring. At that time, a guy started to approach me from the front, I turned around to try to get back to Cra 53 but another guy came up from behind, put me in a choke hold and the guy in the front started reaching for my pockets. Thankfully I was already back on Cra 53, where there were plenty of people. A bystander, a big burly Colombian dude came and yelled at both of the thieves and they ran off. I grabbed a taxi and GTFO'd. First, I didn't think it was very risky since there were still plenty of people there at the time, but some thieves are brazen enough to make a move like that, betting that no one would step in. I think I got lucky, because there was no guarantee that someone would step in and help. In hindsight, I should have probably avoided that entire area any time close to sunset.

This story sets up my question. Are there any sources of budget friendly girls after sunset that is relatively safe? Parque Lleras isn't cheap and the girls are gringo hunters. In fact at the current exchange rate, 400 mil for basic service from a Lleras girl is more expensive than the same level of independent girls in Sao Paulo and SP offers much better safety, and arguably a bit better overall quality.

With all the crap that has been going on in Medellin from the scop druggings, to robberies, to hassles at the airport immigration lines, do many of you feel that it's finally time to abandon Medellin for other destinations whether they might be other cities in Colombia or other Latin American countries like Brazil? For me, I've had two trips to Medellin and had no issues since I'm able to manage safety fairly well but after visiting both Rio and Sao Paulo this year, I'm really thinking whether or not that's it for me as far as Medellin is concerned. What about you guys?

Every man has to answer that for themselves. I will go as far as to say I don't recommend taking decisions based solely on what you read on the Internet.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3070834]With all the crap that has been going on in Medellin from the scop druggings, to robberies, to hassles at the airport immigration lines, do many of you feel that it's finally time to abandon Medellin for other destinations whether they might be other cities in Colombia or other Latin American countries like Brazil? For me, I've had two trips to Medellin and had no issues since I'm able to manage safety fairly well but after visiting both Rio and Sao Paulo this year, I'm really thinking whether or not that's it for me as far as Medellin is concerned. What about you guys?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3070834]With all the crap that has been going on in Medellin from the scop druggings, to robberies, to hassles at the airport immigration lines, do many of you feel that it's finally time to abandon Medellin for other destinations whether they might be other cities in Colombia or other Latin American countries like Brazil? For me, I've had two trips to Medellin and had no issues since I'm able to manage safety fairly well but after visiting both Rio and Sao Paulo this year, I'm really thinking whether or not that's it for me as far as Medellin is concerned. What about you guys?[/QUOTE]Before I moved to violent and Dangerous Cali I never wanted to visit the place.

There's been a major crime crackdown and Medellin has had a lower crime rate than anytime since The days of the Medellin Cartel.

So massive drug rings get busted up now they can focus on the easy money of robbing tourists either directly or through scope scams.

Look at the post directly below the dude said he was robbed a while back and just reported it now.

So for the average traveling monger I would give Medellin a miss and if I had to come to Colombia I'the go to Cartagena which relies on tourists much more heavily and this more secure.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3070769]I just did some quick research that revealed that as of mid-2026, Capital One is still in the process of transitioning all of its cards over to the Discover network, which is what I thought. Right now, they're a mix of MasterCard, Visa, and Discover processed cards, with new cards being issued using the Discover network exclusively. The goal is for all card activity to be eventually processed using the Discover payment network. So, if you're an existing card holder, a reason you may not have had any problems is because you have one of the old cards still on either the MasterCard or Visa network. Do your cards have MasterCard or Visa logos on them? When all Capital One cards are transitioned over to the Discover payment network, it's not that all of a sudden they won't be accepted at all anywhere overseas. It's just that they won't be accepted as much because the Discover payment network still isn't as large as those for Mastercard, Visa, and American Express. For the widest acceptance one should [B]always[/B] have a MasterCard or Visa card available. Don't chance it with only an American Express or Discover processed card.[/QUOTE]One of them is a Visa and one of them is a Mastercard.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3070771]When you say "use" are you referring to debit purchases (point of sale)? Based on my experience, any merchant that accepts debit cards accepts the new Capital One debit cards. The problem I've had, and I think the problem the original poster is referring to, is ATM acceptance. I haven't found an ATM in Colombia that accepts the new Capital One card.[/QUOTE]I am referring to point of sale. I have never used, and would never use, a credit card in an ATM.

[QUOTE=Tasss;3070787]Are there any sources of budget friendly girls after sunset that is relatively safe?[/QUOTE]Go back to Botero. Lightning does not strike the same place twice, plus you already know what to look out for.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3070834]With all the crap that has been going on in Medellin from the scop druggings, to robberies, to hassles at the airport immigration lines, do many of you feel that it's finally time to abandon Medellin for other destinations whether they might be other cities in Colombia or other Latin American countries like Brazil? For me, I've had two trips to Medellin and had no issues since I'm able to manage safety fairly well but after visiting both Rio and Sao Paulo this year, I'm really thinking whether or not that's it for me as far as Medellin is concerned. What about you guys?[/QUOTE]I can understand the sentiment, but Medellin is arguably heaven on earth for the average single man who's not broke.

This type of privilege rarely comes easy. So you have to take the great with the bad. It's not hard to avoid the problem.

[QUOTE=Tasss;3070787]This happened some time ago. Around sunset, I was walking north along Cra 53 and I was thinking about turning a corner and going east on Calle 51 into the actual plaza. However I noticed that the plaza was already quite empty so I didn't think it was worth exploring. At that time, a guy started to approach me from the front, I turned around to try to get back to Cra 53 but another guy came up from behind, put me in a choke hold and the guy in the front started reaching for my pockets. Thankfully I was already back on Cra 53, where there were plenty of people. A bystander, a big burly Colombian dude came and yelled at both of the thieves and they ran off. I grabbed a taxi and GTFO'd. First, I didn't think it was very risky since there were still plenty of people there at the time, but some thieves are brazen enough to make a move like that, betting that no one would step in. I think I got lucky, because there was no guarantee that someone would step in and help. In hindsight, I should have probably avoided that entire area any time close to sunset.

This story sets up my question. Are there any sources of budget friendly girls after sunset that is relatively safe? Parque Lleras isn't cheap and the girls are gringo hunters. In fact at the current exchange rate, 400 mil for basic service from a Lleras girl is more expensive than the same level of independent girls in Sao Paulo and SP offers much better safety, and arguably a bit better overall quality.[/QUOTE]I saw an obvious tourist get mugged in plain daylight between Hotel Nutibara and Conejitas on the North Side of the plaza. Loads of people around and it seemed I was the only one that even noticed. The whole thing took like 10 seconds.

Common knowledge for the last few years has been avoid Tinder due to scope queens. But I'm rebuilding my FB roster after lots of retirements and it's been harder than I remember. Lots of locked profiles where I can't even see the girl's face. The girls who are not hiding their pics are not that attractive. Is Tinder now a legit avenue for P4P? I've seen some success stories recently for the app.

The Centro strip clubs are decent alternatives within the price range and they are safer than plaza after dark.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3070873]Go back to Botero. Lightning does not strike the same place twice, plus you already know what to look out for.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tasss;3070933]Common knowledge for the last few years has been avoid Tinder due to scope queens. But I'm rebuilding my FB roster after lots of retirements and it's been harder than I remember. Lots of locked profiles where I can't even see the girl's face. The girls who are not hiding their pics are not that attractive. Is Tinder now a legit avenue for P4P? I've seen some success stories recently for the app.[/QUOTE]I have had great success with Tinder, especially on my two trips to Medellin so far this year. I got flooded with matches from pros and non-pros alike.

For the ones I met up with, I have never had any problems with chicas trying to scope or rob me, but YMMV. If you stay at a hotel or apartment where they take / record IDs, keep your valuables in a safe or hidden in your luggage, and don't drink with the ladies, I don't think the risks are high.

Starting prices are about the same as Parque Lleras chicas, although the Tinder chicas seem a bit more willing to negotiate for better prices and more time / services. Unless they look like an Instagram model and have pics on their profile of themselves in front on the Eiffel Tower and on yachts, etc.

Stay safe and have fun!

[QUOTE=Tasss;3070933]Common knowledge for the last few years has been avoid Tinder due to scope queens. But I'm rebuilding my FB roster after lots of retirements and it's been harder than I remember. Lots of locked profiles where I can't even see the girl's face. The girls who are not hiding their pics are not that attractive. Is Tinder now a legit avenue for P4P? I've seen some success stories recently for the app.[/QUOTE]There are tons of women who are Tinder. They have new profiles that come on every month. You can line them up while on your flight or waiting for a connection. It's makes much more sense than randomly looking in the park.

Lots of guys I meet on the ground are too cheap to pay for 2 week or 1 month subscription. It's worth it.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3071036]There are tons of women who are Tinder. Lots of guys I meet on the ground are too cheap to pay for 2 week or 1 month subscription. It's worth it.[/QUOTE]For the price of 1 year Tinder, you can get a lifetime Bumble.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3070991]The Centro strip clubs are decent alternatives within the price range and they are safer than plaza after dark.[/QUOTE]Which clubs in el centro are you going to? What was the vibe like inside? Safe?

I had a quick overnight in Medellin and decided I wanted to have some fun. I had 19 hours from arrival to departure. Opened Tinder and started going through the motions. Left and right over and over. I pay for a membership and have mine set so only the women I swipe right on can see me. That works well!

The mutual swipes started coming in semi quickly. Now, I travel to Colombia frequently. I have number in my travel / hobby phone but decided I wanted to spin the wheel and meet someone new. I matched with a girl named Samantha. 31, paisa, works as a nurse, live in Laureles. No kids, lives with her aunt, said no hates drama. Great! She wanted to meet up for dinner and all that. I was not really in the mood for it but decided I world go along with it after talking to her. We picked a spot and met up. She was better looking in person. We sat and talked for a while. Had a couple drinks. Then I asked if she wanted to go somewhere to have fun. Dinner first is a gamble. You always run the risk of hearing about some nonsense emergency, being tired, sick mom / dad / grandma / sister / dog / etc and how they can meet later / tomorrow / next weekend (meaning never) and leave. But I lucked out and she said lets go. We agreed on $400.000 pesos with no real time limit.

She asked what hotel I was staying at. I told her we weren't going to my hotel we were going to a motel and staying in a nice room. She said she did not like the idea of a motel because she is not "that kind of girl" and did not want anyone to think that. Whatever. Ok. I told her it was not negotiable because I can't take her to my hotel. The last thing I want is for my coworkers to see that. I had a couple Colombian's on this trip so they would have known what was up. I told her what motel (Ibiza) and told her I was going to get the room call Mansion. That room is expensive and not really meant for 2 people; its meant for a group. It's $1.200.000 pesos for 6 hours. In my opinion it is well worth it. Amazing sound system for music, 2 giant beds, and a jacuzzi that is meant for a group.

We got there and checked in to the room. Ordered a couple of drinks and put some music on. She was a bit shy at first and said she doesn't do this but needed money for something. Who knows (cares) if that is true or not. But once she got going it was great! She was worth the $400.000 pesos in every way. She was the type of girl that you could take somewhere and no one would know it was P4 P. She dressed nicely, was well spoken, had manners, and was decent to talk to. We relaxed after in the jacuzzi and talked about her life. She was a normal girl. No dramatic story, no BS about someone being sick, no requests for more money. I was waiting for all that because that is typical in Colombia.

We got ready and left. I paid for her taxi and I took an Uber back to Rio Negro where my hotel was. She actually has sent a few messages on WhatsApp over the last couple days just chatting about the day. I told her I would not be back to Medellin for a few weeks but did have some trips to Bogota and Cali and if she wanted to meet up I would cover her tickets to come see me. She said she would come visit depending on her work schedule. She works the typical nurse schedule of rotating 12 hour days. Some would ask why I would take sand to the beach. I don't see it that way. If she can become a regular thing when I'm there then so be it. And she says she has always wanted to try being with a girl. I am happy to help facilitate that dream!

Colombia is fun if you do it right and are safe about it. I prefer it over Brazil!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3071048]For the price of 1 year Tinder, you can get a lifetime Bumble.[/QUOTE]You don't need to pay for a full year. I think you can pay for 2 weeks now. I don't what Bumble is but I bet you'll find more profiles on Tinder.

Just a quick report. I've been coming to Medellin for long periods since 2015 as I'm half Colombian and have family here.

Also I'm looking for fellow mongers who'd want to hit up La Isla Thursday-Saturdays, I find it a bit awkward being there by myself while deciding which chica to go with. I'm 33 American DM me if you want to join me, am here for a month or 2.

Went to La Isla on a Friday night. Lotta really hot girls dressed really sexy, most of them thicker than I like but that's expected. It was as good as I've seen it post-covid but not as good as the pre-covid quantity and quality of women.

Seems 600 COP is honestly the rate for the room here; they're talking 1.5 MIL to take them out the club that might be negotiable but I just grab the whatsapps and coordinate our own prices later in the week.

Was surprised there weren't many customers there, since the COP price is up 50% from 5 years ago it makes sense Colombians frequent it less but I also saw less tourists.

I went to Lleras at 1230 AM to check it out. Mind you it was drizzling rain. But I saw tons of tourists and tons of working girls, but most of them must've been like 20 years old and were average in my opinion; maybe the hotter one's were taken by the time I got there. It's pretty crazy that it legit looks like a red light district, last time I was here 4 years ago it was a family place.

Please enable DM. I have a trip planned but might be after yours; wanted to connect anyways.

[QUOTE=Ray42;3071225]Just a quick report. I've been coming to Medellin for long periods since 2015 as I'm half Colombian and have family here.

Also I'm looking for fellow mongers who'd want to hit up La Isla Thursday-Saturdays, I find it a bit awkward being there by myself while deciding which chica to go with. I'm 33 American DM me if you want to join me, am here for a month or 2.

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[QUOTE=Combo;3070905]I saw an obvious tourist get mugged in plain daylight between Hotel Nutibara and Conejitas on the North Side of the plaza. Loads of people around and it seemed I was the only one that even noticed. The whole thing took like 10 seconds.[/QUOTE]Cuidado! I saw a gringo get robbed in Botero yesterday. The area near the Church / Bakery.

Several dip shit guys attacked him, with one guy pepper spraying his eyes, the others grabbing his little pack he was carrying, strapped to his chest.

Probably not a good idea to walk about there with a pack holding all your important stuff, essentially advertising.

Police arrived fairly quickly, catching one guy.

This post is not to scare, but to advise guys to stay very alert, and to hide your important items.

[QUOTE=ElCapo;3071130]Which clubs in el centro are you going to? What was the vibe like inside? Safe?[/QUOTE]Barra Ejecutiva is nice. Uber will easily drop you off in front and pick you up.

[QUOTE=ElCapo;3071130]Which clubs in el centro are you going to? What was the vibe like inside? Safe?[/QUOTE]My info is from 2024 but the three strip clubs in El Centro I frequented in no particular order were:

1. Conejitas Grill. Normal for the area, lots of locals, decent number of girls, security, staff. Vibe pretty good. It's right on the park so it gets some overflow sketchiness. Good street food outside though. Ok rooms.

2. Grill Nueva Avenida. On the same block as Conejitas. A bit cheaper and it felt like a fewer working at any given time. Not as nice a vibe. Worth sticking your head into, but not worth sitting down if it doesn't feel right. Bad rooms.

3. Barra Ejecutiva. Around the corner on Avenida Maracaibo. A bit more expensive, more girls, more security. Good vibe. You're further from the park so it's a bit safer but also a bit more isolated. I don't remember the rooms. I'm guessing they were okay.

FWIW, I walked through the park plenty and partook after dark. Sometimes there's people vibing and just hanging out. It's chill enough then. But it can empty out fast and it gets deserted. Maybe once mass transit stops? My general recommendation is to keep your head on a swivel and be aware of your surroundings; dress like a local, don't be on your phone, and don't be flashy.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3061683]I'm coming back to Medellin next week, looking forward to seeing some of these chicas again, as well as the non-pro I had some dates with who is ready to fuck now. Might follow up this report with some more info from my experiences back in February. And anything noteworthy that comes from this next trip. Stay safe and have fun everyone! Anyone else in Medellin next week?[/QUOTE]During my second trip of this year back in April, my Tinder really blew up. Got tons of likes getting thrown my way, from as soon as I landed at the airport. I already had several chicas lined up who I had met with on my February trip, or who I had chatted with previously but didn't have time to meet with back then. But a few new ones stood out, so I matched with them and chatted to see if we could set up meets. Several of them set their prices way too high (600 k to 800 k with more for extras), and were pretty rude when I tried to negotiate. But one new one came correct with the right attitude.

She was 30 yo, from Venezuela, tall, curvy body, wide round booty like I like them, and huge natural tits. Not the prettiest face in Medellin, but attractive to me. I did a quick video call with her just to make sure she looked as good as her photos. I saw her huge boobs pushed up in her top, showing off a lot of cleavage, so I made a joke that I wanted to make sure that she brings "her two friends" along with her. She misunderstood, and thought that I was requesting that she bring two more chicas with her to our cita, and said "Oh, sure! Just let me make a few quick calls". LOL!

When we talked business, I requested what I usually want: outcall to my hotel for 2 hours, 2 rounds, and BBBJ. I was about to offer her 350 k (plus taxis) as a starting point for negotiation, but before I could write that, she replied "the lowest price I can give you for all that is 300 k". Double LOL! Good thing she beat me to it.

She was a fun, sexy time. Her personality was chill and she had a good sense of humor. She gave me great deep throat: I'm usually not that into that, I prefer skillful focus on the head, but she was really good at it, probably the best deep throat I've ever received. She didn't let me go bareback with her, but she did rub the head of my cock all over her wet pussy lips for a while. We fucked twice, I came so hard with her ginormous tits smothering my face, and then again pounding against her big booty from behind.

Afterwards I invited her to have dinner with me at a great taco place near my hotel. Was a good time, good conversation. She told me she was moving to a new apartment in Comuna 13 where some of her relatives live, and that I should come pay her a visit there some time. A few days later, on the weekend, she messaged me wanting to hook up again, but I already had dates set with other chicas. A few days after that, I had her come over to my hotel in the morning before checkout, for two more rounds of fun to drain my balls before my flight. She's a good time, I'll probably see her again when I go back to Medellin later this week, and see if she's up for an incall in Comuna 13.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3071417]During my second trip of this year back in April, my Tinder really blew up. Got tons of likes getting thrown my way, from as soon as I landed at the airport. I already had several chicas lined up who I had met with on my February trip, or who I had chatted with previously but didn't have time to meet with back then. But a few new ones stood out, so I matched with them and chatted to see if we could set up meets. Several of them set their prices way too high (600 k to 800 k with more for extras), and were pretty rude when I tried to negotiate. But one new one came correct with the right attitude.

She was 30 yo, from Venezuela, tall, curvy body, wide round booty like I like them, and huge natural tits. Not the prettiest face in Medellin, but attractive to me. I did a quick video call with her just to make sure she looked as good as her photos. I saw her huge boobs pushed up in her top, showing off a lot of cleavage, so I made a joke that I wanted to make sure that she brings "her two friends" along with her. She misunderstood, and thought that I was requesting that she bring two more chicas with her to our cita, and said "Oh, sure! Just let me make a few quick calls". LOL!.[/QUOTE]I try to tell people that Tinder is the place to go. It requires very little effort and you can negotiate what you easily. The only thing I would say there's no need to bring ups time limits. The money they are being paid is more than enough for you to not be on a timer.

It kills the mood when someone says that want to charge for an hour. That's the type of experience you get with an escort and that is normally not better than a civilian.

Hi Gents,

I will be down in Medellin for a week and interested in some day time options for some fun. I will be there with some others and can probably sneak away during the day once or twice. I will be staying fairly close to the Lleras Park area.

I've been to Medellin several times, so somewhat familiar with the area.

TIA for any suggestions.

So is it dangerous to travel to Medellin as a single male? If I go, I would go by myself. I hear stories where supposedly single males get drugged and robbed. Also, I've read that Colombian authorities refuse entry to single males travelling from the US. Any advice would help.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3071440]I try to tell people that Tinder is the place to go. It requires very little effort and you can negotiate what you easily. The only thing I would say there's no need to bring ups time limits. The money they are being paid is more than enough for you to not be on a timer.
It kills the mood when someone says that want to charge for an hour. That's the type of experience you get with an escort and that is normally not better than a civilian.[/QUOTE]Most of these pay-for-play chicas are already thinking time limits, usually defaulting to 1 hour. Time limits are of course a necessity in the casas, but chicas from the street and online dating platforms (if they're looking for "beneficios mutuos" or "diversion" or "nada serio", etc.) also operate on time for money. Like the chica in my report, these are escorts we're talking about most of the time here. Hoes.

What they have in mind isn't the semi-pro unicorn mindset of "yeah, I'll come over and chill and do whatever with you for as long as we want, no rules". What they're offering is "I'm coming over to fuck you for X amount of time maximum and then I'm out". From a few unfortunate encounters I have had, and from many reports I have seen other guys post on these forums in various countries over the years, if you don't set a clear agreement on the amount of time you're paying for, then many of these women will try to head out the door as soon as you cum. If you aren't clear about what you want, how long you want it for, and how much you will pay for it, then the chicas can take advantage of that.

If you can find semi-pro chicas who are more informal about the whole thing and don't watch the clock, that's awesome. But most guys (and gals) coming to Medellin are going to be meeting the chicas in Parque Lleras, in the casas / strip clubs, on the escort websites, or the "beneficios mutuos" chicas on Tinder. And my advice for guys (and gals) with these pros is, if she doesn't explicitly state time limits, then definitely make sure that you do. Also make sure that if you want more than one round / ejaculation with her, that you come to an agreement on that too. Since some of them will try to leave after just one round, no matter how quickly you finish, even if an hour or longer was what was agreed upon.

[QUOTE=ElAventurero;3071467]So is it dangerous to travel to Medellin as a single male? If I go, I would go by myself. I hear stories where supposedly single males get drugged and robbed. Also, I've read that Colombian authorities refuse entry to single males travelling from the US. Any advice would help.[/QUOTE]Since you want a yes or no answer, I'll give you a simple one: No.

It is not dangerous if you know what you are doing, just as it is not dangerous to ride a motorcycle, fly an airplane, or drive a car if you know what you're doing.

[QUOTE=TnGentleman2;3071447]
I will be down in Medellin for a week and interested in some day time options for some fun. I will be there with some others and can probably sneak away during the day once or twice. I will be staying fairly close to the Lleras Park area.[/QUOTE]

Besides the various daytime casas near Laureles and Centro, (which have been talked about here recently so you can look for that info / reports by searching the thread for "casas"), going out to incalls with prepagos from the escort websites is another good daytime option. Many of those escorts have their own apartments for providing discrete service.

Stay safe and have fun!

[QUOTE=Priint;3071249]Please enable DM. I have a trip planned but might be after yours; wanted to connect anyways.[/QUOTE]I enabled my DMS. And for anyone else who wants to hit up chica clubs in Medellin please DM, I'm goin on a romp these next 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=ElAventurero;3071467]So is it dangerous to travel to Medellin as a single male? If I go, I would go by myself. I hear stories where supposedly single males get drugged and robbed. Also, I've read that Colombian authorities refuse entry to single males travelling from the US. Any advice would help.[/QUOTE]I didn't get asked a single question coming in. Far as staying safe. When I go to meet a girl go to a Motel de horas (2 hour booking) I bring a old iphone with a broken screen that only has whatsapp and uber on it. The cash for the date. And a single CC. Its like the jungle if you're not one of the slower antelopes your not worth the cheetah's time. There's plenty of fools coming down here thinking a hooker's going to fall in love with them bring them multiple nights to their apartment with their laptop.

And also there's plenty of high end places like Loutron and la Isla where at least short term a girls not likely to rob you cause the club's got her ID, she makes a lot of money there not worth the risk for her. Now if your seeing each other often outside the club that could change.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3062937]Fortunately, I have found enough who will give me everything I want for 2 hours in the 350 k to 450 k price range. And one who was happy with 300 k for 2 hours, and another one who is coming over tonight for toda-la-noche for 750 k. I would be very interested to know where / how one can find good chicas for less than 300 k who aren't Centro crack-hoes. [/QUOTE]In April, one of my Tinder meets was a beautiful woman, 36 yo, long dark hair, sexy body, unemployed and trying to make money with event gigs and online hustles. I matched with her while I was back home, about a month before my trip, and we had a long chat on whatsapp that night. I asked her what she was looking for, and she replied, "the visa and you XD". She told me she was joking, and that honestly what she is looking for is financial assistance. She said because my Tinder status was "Nada Serio" (Short-Term Fun), she thought I might be open to an agreement of "beneficios mutuos". And that if I was looking for love and a relationship, that is something entirely different that requires a lot of time and attention to "conquer" her. I agreed with her that those things take time, that for now I'm not looking for anything serious, and that I was interested to hear what terms she had in mind.

We talked a bit more, getting to know each other, flirting. I could tell that she had a lot of personality, good sense of humor, very blunt and outspoken in a refreshing way that gave me the impression that she is very honest for a Colombiana. We said good night, and then I didn't message her again until about a month later, a few days before my trip. Our chat picked up right where we left it, with her being very engaged and fun. We exchanged some pics, and I told her I would be arriving in Medellin in a few days. She told me she was excited to hear that, because she hadn't had any sex since her last relationship ended in December, and felt like her virginity had grown back.

From there, we talked about sex and relationships. Apparently, she gave up dating Colombians 12 years ago, because she says most of them demand a lot from women, but don't want to give in return. From her perspective, most Colombian men are too broke or selfish to provide for their women, so she only wants to date Gringos now. During the past 5 years she had long-term relationships with two Americans that she said were good boyfriends, especially one who provided for her a lot, without ever having to be asked. She told me that she likes being in a stable, monogamous relationship, but expects for a boyfriend / husband to take care of her financially. Speaking about Colombianas, especially Paisas, she said "we're all like that". But she said that a lot of men make big promises that they don't fulfill, so now she's trying to get that financial security up front, rather than waiting and hoping that a man will finally put a ring on it.

Talking about sex, she told me she can be very sexual when she likes someone. She seemed to be getting very turned on when I was talking about what I like sexually, and what women can do to make me happy (both sexually and otherwise). She said she was open to BBBJ, but sex had to be with condom, because she knows that I am going to be having sex with other women besides her, and she believes that 80% of the women in Medellin have diseases. She said doing it sin condom could be an option, but only if we both get tested, and both agree to only sleep with each other.

Then we started talking about the arrangement. She said she could spend all day with me until midnight, or all night with me until morning, and for that she wanted 1 million pesos each time. She added that she wanted to start out like this, and if we end up falling in love and something more serious develops over time, then things could change. And that if I can honor this financial arrangement, then that would keep her happy and she would be always loyal and available to me.

She then told me that whenever she gets to this part, guys always end up ghosting her, so she hasn't been able to close any deals. I actually believe her saying how she hadn't had any sex for months, and how other guys from the app who she has propositioned all "ran away from her" once they got to the details. She seems genuinely new at this, and she blurs the lines too much I think for most guys' comfort. I think that for Gringo guys who really are coming to Colombia looking for a serious girlfriend or wife, the idea of paying money turns them off and would make the relationship feel fake. And for the Gringo guys who are just looking for sex, not many want to pay as much as 1 million pesos for toda-la-noche, and are trying to get 1 or 2 hours for 400 k or less.

I'm kinda one of those guys. I countered her proposition with an offer of 500 k + taxis for the all-day or all-night deal. She said "no, amor". Then I offered instead of 12 hours, we do 2 hours for 300 k. She replied "No, let's just leave it there, it was very nice having talked with you, take care of yourself and I wish you the best". I responded, "If you would be willing to negotiate, perhaps we can arrive at an agreement that we can both be satisfied with". Then she went off. Saying how "All you guys who come to Medellin are the same. What can you even do in just 1 hour? If that's how you want to treat me then I'll treat you the same, 400 k for 1 hour or 1 million for 3 hours, everything with condom, and no going out together". I think she got offended because my offer of shorter time for less money made her feel like a hoe, when she doesn't think of herself as a hoe. After that, I didn't reply to her.

A few days later, now in Medellin and already having a lot of fun, I received a message from her. She asked me if I had arrived, and what I had been doing these past few days. Then she told me she had been thinking about me, and explained that she had gotten angry the other night because she felt we had a great connection and thought things would be different with me than with the other guys from Tinder that she had talked to. I explained to her that I thought she would be a wonderful woman to spend the night with, but that 1 million pesos was more than what I wanted to spend per encounter. She responded that if we agree to multiple dates instead of just one, we could level it out to 750 k. "I know that 750,000 looks like a lot of zeros, but it's really not that much money". I told her that seemed fairer to me.

We set up a date for the following Monday, since I already had meets scheduled with other chicas for the next few days. But my Saturday date fell through, so I messaged her to see if she wanted to see me that night, and she jumped at the chance. She happens to live in Laureles, which is the area where I was staying, so that made things convenient for us. I invited her to a live music show at a cute little cafe in the area, and said that we can see how the night goes from there, with dinner afterwards, and then making love all night in my hotel room. She said it sounded like a great plan, and hoped that everything would flow well between us and that we like each other when we meet. I told her to wear something sexy for me, and meet me at the cafe at 7 pm.

She arrived half an hour late (not bad for a Latina), looking like a knockout in a short skirt, white blouse tied halfway to show off her smooth midriff, and thigh-high fuck-me boots. I already had a table for us right in front of the music performers, it actually ending up being like a full-blown intimate concert with an amazing singer who was giving Gwen Stefani vibes. (Not just some scruffy dude playing acoustic guitar covers like I was kinda expecting). My chica was a bit shy at first, even telling me "I feel shy" as we were sitting together, getting to know each other face to face now in hushed voices. But she warmed up quickly, especially after I held her hand and placed my other hand on her knee. I told her, "your hand is so soft", and she smiled and replied, "all of me is soft", getting back into the sexually flirtatious mood of our whatsapp chats. We had a great time for the next hour or so of the concert, enjoying the performance and each other.

Afterwards I took us to a cool funky restaurant nearby that I had been wanting to check out. The food and atmosphere were both great, and she and I really hit it off with our conversation. She talked a lot about her past, and her past relationships, and wanted to know a lot about my own. We had really good rapport, lots of laughter, no awkward silences. We took some photos together in front of the funky decor of this strange yet fancy restaurant and then walked two blocks back to my hotel.

From there it was game on. Chick was on fire. Passionate kissing, passionate fucking. Her body was so hot under me and on top of me. Her tits were big and soft and all natural, and her big nipples felt so good rolling around my tongue. She gave good head, although she didn't like doing it for very long, alternating it with her hands, which she was also really good with. We did it in multiple positions, but she was best on top, which she also seemed to love the most. We did it twice, and she looked and sounded so sexy when she was cumming. After the second round she told me she was exhausted, but that we could do it again in the morning. She slept over and kept her word, riding my cock again with even more energy after we woke up. Then we got dressed and I paid her, sent her home in an uber, and walked off to go find myself some breakfast, feeling like a king. We were together for a little over 13 hours, 100% GFE.

I saw her again on Monday, she came over to my hotel around 3 pm and we fucked again for a few hours. Then we went down to Poblado to the group dance lessons I had mentioned in a previous post. It was all basic Salsa steps, but I could use the refresher. She told me that next time I'm in Medellin she'll take me out dancing and show me some moves. I would also like to go back to the dance school to take advantage of their private lessons too. After the dance class, we walked around the Parque Lleras area a bit, and found a nice rooftop restaurant for dinner. Sent her home in an uber at midnight, and I went back to my hotel. We chatted some more on whatsapp that night, after we both got back to our places. She thanked me for everything, I told her I was already missing her, and she felt the same and said it totally took her by surprise how well we connect.

I hadn't originally planned on seeing her more than these two times. But the next day, as I was having brunch and planning out my day and deciding which chica I would see next, I kept thinking about her. So I sent her a message asking if she was free to meet me again and she said absolutely. She just had a few errands she was in the middle of, and then would go right home to wash up and dress up to get ready for me. I picked her up in an uber at her apartment, and we went to Centro to check out a big public art gallery in one of the malls there. It was awesome, three floors packed with paintings and sculptures, much better than the Museo de Antioquia in front of Plaza Botero. And awesome that she shared my interest in art. Saw some sneakers at the mall that I thought would look good on her, on sale for 100 k. She tried them on and liked them, so I bought them for her, and she was smiling from ear to ear.

She insisted on leaving the area before sundown, saying that Centro wasn't safe after dark, and she didn't even want me to speak when we were outside the mall because she was afraid that bad people might hear my accent. So we went back to Laureles and had dinner at a nice little Mexican restaurant near my hotel. Then back to my hotel for sex.

During pillow-talk, she called me her "sugar daddy". I told her that I didn't like the sound of that, since in my country and language, that term has a stigma for being for old men who have to pay young women to sleep with them and pretend to be their girlfriends. She told me she thought it just meant a sexy older man. I replied that "silver fox" or "DILF" are probably better terms for that, but all good, I'll take the compliment. (I'm in my late 40's BTW, so not that much older). But thinking back on the whole experience with her and our arrangement, it does make me feel like I was her sugar daddy and she was my sugar baby, even though I'm not that much of a daddy and she's not that much of a baby. She really is a perfect little rent-a-girlfriend. Great beauty, great sex, great personality, great chemistry. She had me feeling like I won the jackpot with her.

We have kept in touch with each other since then, almost 2 months ago. She kept asking when I would be coming back to Medellin, I'm planning on seeing her again when I go back to the city tomorrow. 750 k per night felt worth it at the time, but I don't think I could keep up with that cost long term, for me that's a lot of money to pay any woman each time I want to see her. I would like to transition her to a more affordable arrangement, although I don't know how to go about doing that successfully, and I'm not sure if she'll go for that.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3071916]In April, one of my Tinder meets was a beautiful woman, 36 yo, long dark hair, sexy body, unemployed and trying to make money with event gigs and online hustles. I matched with her while I was back home, about a month before my trip, and we had a long chat on whatsapp that night. I asked her what she was looking for, and she replied, "the visa and you XD". She told me she was joking, and that honestly what she is looking for is financial assistance. She said because my Tinder status was "Nada Serio" (Short-Term Fun), she thought I might be open to an agreement of "beneficios mutuos". And that if I was looking for love and a relationship, that is something entirely different that requires a lot of time and attention to "conquer" her. I agreed with her that those things take time, that for now I'm not looking for anything serious, and that I was interested to hear what terms she had in mind.
[/QUOTE]Incredible report! I had a very similar and totally unexpected experience when I traveled to Africa recently, so I understand exactly how amazing it must have felt. This gives me hope that I can find someone good during my September trip.

Cheers.

Doesn't sound too bad. 12 hours for under $300 usd?

Would be better if she was younger and allowed more action but seems like a decent price.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3071470]Most of these pay-for-play chicas are already thinking time limits, usually defaulting to 1 hour. Time limits are of course a necessity in the casas, but chicas from the street and online dating platforms (if they're looking for "beneficios mutuos" or "diversion" or "nada serio", etc.) also operate on time for money. Like the chica in my report, these are escorts we're talking about most of the time here. Hoes.

What they have in mind isn't the semi-pro unicorn mindset of "yeah, I'll come over and chill and do whatever with you for as long as we want, no rules". What they're offering is "I'm coming over to fuck you for X amount of time maximum and then I'm out". From a few unfortunate encounters I have had, and from many reports I have seen other guys post on these forums in various countries over the years, if you don't set a clear agreement on the amount of time you're paying for, then many of these women will try to head out the door as soon as you cum. If you aren't clear about what you want, how long you want it for, and how much you will pay for it, then the chicas can take advantage of that..[/QUOTE]I have been to Medellin dozens of time in the last 3 years. After the first 3 trips I stopped pulling from Parque Lleras. You're correct everyone in the park is on a "timer" as they have been conditioned to work by the hour. That's not to say that you can't have a good experience there. However, it's not the kind that I want.

I have better results on Tinder because so many girls are on there compared to Seeking. Seeking was great when I got there 3 years ago but now you have girls asking for 1 K USA dollars for 2 hours and everything covered. I have a few girls left from Seeking on my roster otherwise I stay away from there.

It's easy to screen Tinder girls you ask for their number. If they include their country code you know they have some discussions with foreigners. I get them to state how much they want. If they talk about dollars instead of pesos that is not a good sign.

I have about 8 to 10 girls that I rotate and it's pure GFE and MSOG and no time limits. I don't want toda la noche. It's not necessary but I don't like to feel that someone wants to get out fast. I get a nice Airbnb that has a separate bathroom with a shower and fragrant soap.

I pay between 200-400 k pesos not including Uber both ways that I always pay. There are a few Tinder girls with Instagram that I pay more. I love Tinder.

[QUOTE=Priint;3071923]Incredible report! I had a very similar and totally unexpected experience when I traveled to Africa recently, so I understand exactly how amazing it must have felt. This gives me hope that I can find someone good during my September trip.
[/QUOTE]That sounds awesome, I would love to read that report if you wrote one. If not, then you should! I've never been to Africa, but I've been thinking more and more lately about traveling there in the near future if I can.

[QUOTE=Appalachian;3071924]Doesn't sound too bad. 12 hours for under $300 usd?

Would be better if she was younger and allowed more action but seems like a decent price.[/QUOTE]Maybe a decent price in New York or London, but that is insane in Colombia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3071988]Maybe a decent price in New York or London, but that is insane in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Let him Live. Sure an experienced Monger or expat can say that's a ton of money but guys want fake situationships.

In one way going to Nairobi would be an eye opening experience in the sense that the LT ST shit doesn't exist you pay a maybe 40 or so bucks and she leaves when you want her to leave. If fact I monger may realize that she's winning because she's claiming you and soon you'll be sending money.

But fuck that maybe I'm an old jaded monger. All I'll say is there's the Sun Tzu saying of knowing yourself and knowing the enemy but that might go over guys heads.

The only thing I'll say is that Women even hoes are Human and if you're looking for more than a roll in the hay and a nut it depends on whether a woman feels like it at the time or not.

Asking for babysitting fees and platonic hang out time and going some place she's been to 500 times before or has no desire to go to because a bored and lonely monger wants to go is worth whatever she can negotiate. Fair exchange is never a robbery, Shit to me hanging around some foreign broad that I don't know would be work to me too. I'm retired and I still have more important things to do. I´m sure any women hoe or not has shit to do too.

Hope this Helps.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3071988]Maybe a decent price in New York or London, but that is insane in Colombia.[/QUOTE]You got to be kidding me right? These "softcore hoors" in places like New York and London are commanding more than twice that amount. For $300 bucks we're talking third third tier cities and, if you get lucky, maybe a second tier town from time to time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3071988]Maybe a decent price in New York or London, but that is insane in Colombia.[/QUOTE]If he can bone her 6+ times in that period and she's really hot, it might be a decent price. Otherwise he's just paying her to pass the time with him. Or as Triple says "babysit" him. Unless he's a dashing young stud that can show her a really interesting time. In which case he wouldn't be paying anyway.

Price notwithstanding, there's also a risk that he develops feelings for her and it's never a good idea to develop feelings for a hooker regardless of what country she's in.

She "gave up" on Colombians years ago because foreigners have a lot more money. And at her age, lots of Colombians wouldn't be interested anyway. The girls always tell visiting foreigners that they prefer them over the Colombian men. They learn that trick early in the game. Tell the customer what he wants to hear.

It sounds like she's been doing the prepago thing for awhile. Very smooth and developed that polished genuine feeling through experience.

[QUOTE=Combo;3072043]If he can bone her 6+ times in that period and she's really hot, it might be a decent price. Otherwise he's just paying her to pass the time with him. Or as Triple says "babysit him. ".

Price notwithstanding, the risk is that he develops feelings for her and it's never a good idea to develop feelings for a hooker regardless of what country she's in.

She's likely been doing the a prepago thing for awhile. Very smooth and developed that polished genuineness through experience.[/QUOTE]At the end of the day he's getting what he paid for. It is what it is again a jaded monger could assume a chick claiming to want some kind of quasi relationship is setting him up to catch feelings but what do I know maybe this chick actually ¨Loves ¨ Him. I write novels but damn sounds like a nose wide open without the ability to smell plays being ran.

Either way I've been here long enough to know that sometimes you have to touch the hot stove.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

Mr. Flip Flop did an excellent live today about this very subject. Again to an expat the Reddest of the Red Flags is some local claiming to not deal with her countrymen. Especially a single mother. If an american lady said Ï'm not dealing with any American Men¨even if she was a blue haired feminist lesbian that would sound weird but maybe just maybe our boy found ¨The One¨ Maybe. One thing is for certain she may have found ¨the one¨ for her.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

I always find it amazing how people criticize areas of a city, like Centro, and confidently proclaim that all the girls working there are "crackheads" or "low quality. " Well, the biggest adult film star coming out of Colombia right now, Helen Star, actually got her start right there in Centro. She spent over three years there doing dates for 30,000 to 50,000 pesos. But who am I to complain about that? I guess she's just one diamond out of many. PN!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3072046]I always find it amazing how people criticize areas of a city, like Centro, and confidently proclaim that all the girls working there are "crackheads" or "low quality. " Well, the biggest adult film star coming out of Colombia right now, Helen Star, actually got her start right there in Centro. She spent over three years there doing dates for 30,000 to 50,000 pesos. But who am I to complain about that? I guess she's just one diamond out of many. PN![/QUOTE]I actually prefer to hang out in El Centro than Parque Lleras. Yes, there are unattractive women there but you see better in broad daylight and the girls dress sexier. You can find some super hot unicorns there.

Yes, they don't all look like crack hoes. When I went to Centro last year to monger, I found myself a diamond (at twice the normal reported price) and we had a great time. So good that I followed up with an outcall with her the next day. (the "contratada" MILF). But even she told me that I was trusting her too much and letting my guard down too much around her, because other chicas could rob me if I wasn't keeping an eye on them. Or worse. "Girls around here will slit your throat!" That's probably an exaggeration, but it's known to be a sketchy and dangerous area. And it's also known to be a place where you can find hoes who are the cheapest of the cheap. For that, I recommend Centro for mongering, if you have the patience to find yourself a diamond, or if the average chicas around there fit within your personal standards.

[QUOTE=Appalachian;3071924]Doesn't sound too bad. 12 hours for under $300 usd?
Would be better if she was younger and allowed more action but seems like a decent price.[/QUOTE]I agree, I think that's a decent price, in the context of a Tinder chica in Medellin offering that much time. Since the going rate for pros servicing sex tourists in Medellin is around 400 k for 1 hour. She's the first in Medellin that I have done an all-night or all-day escort type deal with, but I have been propositioned that in the past from some other chicas, and prices like 1 million pesos, $200 US, etc, are what they are looking for. Some of the chicas, like her, exclusively offer toda-la-noche, since they want one big cita rather than going out to try to fuck as many different guys as they can in one night.

Even back in 2023 when I first started mongering, in Cartagena the going rate for toda-la-noche with pros in Centro Historico was around 1 million pesos. To me, Cartagena seems on par with Medellin in terms of hoe prices. And toda-la-noche can mean different things to different chicas: sometimes it's 12 hours, or 8, or 6. Sometimes, in the worst cases, they really only mean 3 hours. So, in context, I think 1 million for 12 hours is a very fair deal. And 750 k even better.

As some of the other guys on here have pointed out recently and in the past, it's possible to get much cheaper than that in Colombia, and I believe them. It would be awesome if some of them would write very clear and detailed guides on exactly how to do that, like the awesome Dating Colombianas thread that Routard posted on this forum years ago. That could actually be helpful to other guys on here, and give more of us opportunities to reward the chicas who charge less.

It's also possible to get much more expensive than that in Colombia, like how KeviKev68 pointed out there are girls on Seeking charging $1,000 US for 2 hours. Now THAT is "insane".

For me, the issue with paying 1 million or 750 k isn't that I see those rates as overpriced. It's just that I simply can't afford to pay that much to someone who I would want to see more than just a couple of times per month. I don't come from money. I don't have a passive income or investments or a retirement fund to live off of. I'm just a guy who came from working class families, who is just trying to get by in the world, and yet somehow still having the time of my life.

UPDATE: I talked with my chica from the report on Whatsapp right before I left for this current Medellin trip, and told her that I wanted to negotiate an arrangement where we could see each other more times for a better price. I offered that we see each other 5 times during these next 10 days, and at the end I would give her 2 million pesos, guaranteed. She balked at that and said my offer wasn't fair. I asked her what she thought a fairer deal would be, and she said 3 million pesos. So, 600 k per night, and I accepted. We had an amazing night together last night: nothing fancy, just a casual dinner at my favorite taco spot, then passionate, affectionate sex, and arrunchando until the sun came up.

Have fun and stay safe!

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072156]I agree, I think that's a decent price, in the context of a Tinder chica in Medellin offering that much time. Since the going rate for pros servicing sex tourists in Medellin is around 400 k for 1 hour. She's the first in Medellin that I have done an all-night or all-day escort type deal with, but I have been propositioned that in the past from some other chicas, and prices like 1 million pesos, $200 US, etc, are what they are looking for. Some of the chicas, like her, exclusively offer toda-la-noche, since they want one big cita rather than going out to try to fuck as many different guys as they can in one night.

Even back in 2023 when I first started mongering, in Cartagena the going rate for toda-la-noche with pros in Centro Historico was around 1 million pesos. To me, Cartagena seems on par with Medellin in terms of hoe prices. And toda-la-noche can mean different things to different chicas: sometimes it's 12 hours, or 8, or 6. Sometimes, in the worst cases, they really only mean 3 hours. So, in context, I think 1 million for 12 hours is a very fair deal. And 750 k even better.[/QUOTE]​One of the most important factors when looking for dates in Medellin is the amount of time you plan to spend there and the number of women you actually connect with. The more women you meet and maintain friendships with, the more opportunities you will have for dates. Consequently, the more date opportunities you have, the better rates you are usually going to get.

​However, if you are looking for long-term companionship, it is a completely different story. If you need someone around consistently because you enjoy her conversation—and she understands that—she will likely charge you for the dedicated time you are spending together rather than a standard date. Because of this, you are always going to pay a higher rate compared to someone living in Medellin who has three or four hundred different options available to them. PN.

Here is another scenario that can be utilized for finding women while living in Colombia. I live in a neighborhood where there are a lot of young Venezuelan women. Many of them see me going to the grocery store every week with my girlfriend, and we bring back a taxi full of groceries at least once a week. Therefore, they know that food is coming into our house. Because they see the large amount of food arriving and notice me with my girlfriend at least once a week, they know there is some kind of stable income in our home.

​There are at least five 18- to 20-year-old Afro-Venezuelan girls living in my neighborhood who watch me intently whenever I go across the street to the meat store or when I go shopping. Because of this, those young ladies are very excited about going on a date with me—especially if I can swing it and get away from my girlfriend for a few minutes. They never ask for more than 50,000 to 100,000 pesos per date, and I am in and out without ever being noticed.

​Consequently, I do not actually have to go to different areas of Medellin or Parque Lleras to find women. There are women right next door who are willing to date me, especially if it makes them 100,000 pesos for a 30-minute to one-hour session. PN!

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072156]I agree, I think that's a decent price, in the context of a Tinder chica in Medellin offering that much time. Since the going rate for pros servicing sex tourists in Medellin is around 400 k for 1 hour. She's the first in Medellin that I have done an all-night or all-day escort type deal with, but I have been propositioned that in the past from some other chicas, and prices like 1 million pesos, $200 US, etc, are what they are looking for. Some of the chicas, like her, exclusively offer toda-la-noche, since they want one big cita rather than going out to try to fuck as many different guys as they can in one night.

Even back in 2023 when I first started mongering, in Cartagena the going rate for toda-la-noche with pros in Centro Historico was around 1 million pesos. To me, Cartagena seems on par with Medellin in terms of hoe prices. And toda-la-noche can mean different things to different chicas: sometimes it's 12 hours, or 8, or 6. Sometimes, in the worst cases, they really only mean 3 hours. So, in context, I think 1 million for 12 hours is a very fair deal. And 750 k even better.

As some of the other guys on here have pointed out recently and in the past, it's possible to get much cheaper than that in Colombia, and I believe them. It would be awesome if some of them would write very clear and detailed guides on exactly how to do that, like the awesome Dating Colombianas thread that Routard posted on this forum years ago. That could actually be helpful to other guys on here, and give more of us opportunities to reward the chicas who charge less.

It's also possible to get much more expensive than that in Colombia, like how KeviKev68 pointed out there are girls on Seeking charging $1,000 US for 2 hours. Now THAT is "insane".

For me, the issue with paying 1 million or 750 k isn't that I see those rates as overpriced. It's just that I simply can't afford to pay that much to someone who I would want to see more than just a couple of times per month. I don't come from money. I don't have a passive income or investments or a retirement fund to live off of. I'm just a guy who came from working class families, who is just trying to get by in the world, and yet somehow still having the time of my life.

UPDATE: I talked with my chica from the report on Whatsapp right before I left for this current Medellin trip, and told her that I wanted to negotiate an arrangement where we could see each other more times for a better price. I offered that we see each other 5 times during these next 10 days, and at the end I would give her 2 million pesos, guaranteed. She balked at that and said my offer wasn't fair. I asked her what she thought a fairer deal would be, and she said 3 million pesos. So, 600 k per night, and I accepted. We had an amazing night together last night: nothing fancy, just a casual dinner at my favorite taco spot, then passionate, affectionate sex, and arrunchando until the sun came up.

Have fun and stay safe![/QUOTE]

First off your Chica really??? How many times can you guarantee that you'll come down flight prices be damned? Be honest with yourself.

I'd say don't bother trying to have a relationship or have a relationship and activate that western Union account. Shit tell her you´ll give her 2 million every other month whether you're there or not. Put the shit in a WA text say exactly what you want sexually.

Again I would just overnight her a couple of nights and look for other opportunities. If you pay per nut you'll come out way cheaper in the long run.

I live here and I currently don't have an actual GF I have a potential but she wants me to put 100 K into some kind of account so looks like she will be put into the pay per nut category.

I got nothing for you, getting a legit girlfriend is hard because she doesn't trust you and you don't know her culture.

But what do I know I've only been here for over 5 years. Again I would advise against this but if you were going to proceed I would give her some guaranteed money.

She has all the leverage in this situation. She saw you coming miles away. Your best bet if to find out what she likes to do and do that. Maybe you can get her a reloadable wise card Its cheaper than Western Union

Good Luck.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3072194]First off your Chica really??? How many times can you guarantee that you'll come down flight prices be damned? Be honest with yourself.
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I got nothing for you, getting a legit girlfriend is hard because she doesn't trust you and you don't know her culture. [/QUOTE]Don't worry, LOL. By saying "my chica" I was simply conveying that I was referring to the girl from my report the other night. I didn't mean that I think she's my girlfriend or belongs to me.

She and I have talked about how we feel, and we agreed to keep our situation "nothing serious", at least for now. We're both guarded. I don't want to fall in love, because I'm paying her. And she doesn't want to fall in love, because I am just passing through from time to time.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3072173]
There are at least five 18- to 20-year-old Afro-Venezuelan girls living in my neighborhood who watch me intently whenever I go across the street to the meat store or when I go shopping. Because of this, those young ladies are very excited about going on a date with meespecially if I can swing it and get away from my girlfriend for a few minutes. They never ask for more than 50,000 to 100,000 pesos per date, and I am in and out without ever being noticed.

Consequently, I do not actually have to go to different areas of Medellin or Parque Lleras to find women. There are women right next door who are willing to date me, especially if it makes them 100,000 pesos for a 30-minute to one-hour session.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the 18- to 20-year-old Afro-Venezuelan girls see you as the meat store.

But seriously, this is great info, thank you. And your previous post as well.

I have some questions: how do you talk to girls like these to proposition them for "dates", the first time? Do you walk over to them and start chatting them up when your girlfriend isn't around? Or do they come over to you with some excuse to talk when they see that you are by yourself? What do you say to them? I'm interested to know how to bring up pay-for-play in conversations with women who aren't actively advertising that they are selling sex.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072202]Sounds like the 18- to 20-year-old Afro-Venezuelan girls see you as the meat store.

But seriously, this is great info, thank you. And your previous post as well.

I have some questions: how do you talk to girls like these to proposition them for "dates", the first time? Do you walk over to them and start chatting them up when your girlfriend isn't around? Or do they come over to you with some excuse to talk when they see that you are by yourself? What do you say to them? I'm interested to know how to bring up pay-for-play in conversations with women who aren't actively advertising that they are selling sex.[/QUOTE]As soon as they see me at the meat market by myself, they find any excuse to buy some small item just to get a look at me and strike up a casual conversation. Once the ice is broken, I let them know that I'd like to stop by and see them if they are available, asking what their rate is for a short time. They usually make me an offer that is so reasonable I end up doubling it.

​They are always the ones who initiate this, simply from noticing me walking back and forth to the meat market and grocery store every week. They know there is steady income coming into my home. When you live in these kinds of neighborhoods, you always have to keep your guard up. Even when you aren't watching them, they are paying attention to everything happening around them—especially the unemployed locals who have nothing to do all day but sit around and look for ways to make money. PN.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072202]Sounds like the 18- to 20-year-old Afro-Venezuelan girls see you as the meat store.

But seriously, this is great info, thank you. And your previous post as well.

I have some questions: how do you talk to girls like these to proposition them for "dates", the first time? Do you walk over to them and start chatting them up when your girlfriend isn't around? Or do they come over to you with some excuse to talk when they see that you are by yourself? What do you say to them? I'm interested to know how to bring up pay-for-play in conversations with women who aren't actively advertising that they are selling sex.[/QUOTE]My brother in Christ the simplest way is to move down here. I don't know how much you travel but pick a place that resonates with you and go there. At this point I'm not sure if you're trolling.

I think I went over this in the Santo Domingo Board. I'll say getting semipros is much easier there than in Meddy. Go back and read my posts about semi pro hunting in Santo Domingo.

Assuming you're serious I'd say try to monger in the states where you speak the language fluently and know the culture. If you go to regular strip clubs and are able to pull girls out then you'll be ready for semi pros abroad. It's all about developing the Monger eye. Right before you develop the Monger eye most girls develop the trick eye.

An example of the Trick eye is I was walking in Spanish Avenue in Punta Cana and I saw a girl in a restaurant who I assumed worked there. I was literally on the way to the Banco Popular ATM and she came out of the restaurant asked me standard questions Keep in mind I had no plans to fuck her she just looked cute. Anyway we talked and we got down to negotiations. She left 2 hours later with 2500 pesos. She had the Trick eye she knew I was a monger so she was down to make a deal with her first trick of the day.

You said you started mongering internationally in 2023. You need to develop the trick smell, This shit is a lifestyle.

Again even asking what do you say to a woman shows you have much much much to learn because you don't really have to ask a woman anything she'll ask you in a way.

However many Mongers you think there are understand there's way way way more hoes than Mongers.

I'll put it to you like this; if you see a woman anywhere in the world you could just ask her to fuck. Either she'll slap the shit out of you or counter with a money ask. I keep saying that Hoes are Human beings. Women get horny too; the difference is they want money and things too so if you discreetly ask a woman who is not a prostitute to fuck and either wait for a money ask or indicate that you'd be willing to part with a reasonable amount she will say yes. If you offer her way more than a reasonable amount that's not even fair if she believes you'll give it to her she'll take t.

That's all I got.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3072162]​One of the most important factors when looking for dates in Medellin is the amount of time you plan to spend there and the number of women you actually connect with. The more women you meet and maintain friendships with, the more opportunities you will have for dates. Consequently, the more date opportunities you have, the better rates you are usually going to get.[/QUOTE]So what you are saying is that it is a numbers game like pretty much anything else.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3072162]​However, if you are looking for long-term companionship, it is a completely different story. If you need someone around consistently because you enjoy her conversationand she understands thatshe will likely charge you for the dedicated time you are spending together rather than a standard date. Because of this, you are always going to pay a higher rate compared to someone living in Medellin who has three or four hundred different options available to them. PN.[/QUOTE]Why wouldn't a person just get a normal girlfriend instead of a hooker if that is what they are after.

We are either living in two different versions of Medellin, Colombia, or we're living in two different realities. I have been dating a Venezuelan girl for the last seven years, and over that time, I have met thousands of other Venezuelans.

​When Venezuelans arrive in Colombia, especially if they are over the age of 18, there isn't much they can actually do to earn an income. They can work in restaurants, do domestic work, attempt to go back to college to start from scratch, or work by going on dates. In fact, 99% of the Venezuelan women I have encountered do dates to survive. Many of the Colombian homeowners who rent rooms to Venezuelans are brutal when it comes to rent; they expect their money exactly when it's due, and they have no qualms about throwing someone out if they aren't paid. They will literally throw these Venezuelans out onto the street.

​Because of that reality, most Venezuelan girls are going to do whatever they have to do to survive and keep a roof over their heads. How can someone demand a premium for a date when they are under the gun, knowing they need cash right now to avoid homelessness? Because they are in such dire straits, many Venezuelan girls not only will take less money for a date, they have to. Most of their families are back in Venezuela, meaning they have no support system here unless they moved with sisters or cousins into a house full of women. Therefore, it is just common knowledge that Venezuelan girls will go on dates for a lot less than what Colombian girls might charge.

​So, when I see guys on this board posting about girls wanting 750,000 pesos or more for a date, that is a price you are simply choosing to pay. The city of Medellin is full of girls who will take a fraction of that amount, and I see it every day because I live here. It all comes down to how much time you have to invest and exactly what you are looking for. Clearly, some of you are just looking for a pig with lipstick on that you can dress up and call Sally—but at the end of the day, everyone on this board will still know she's a pig. PN!

You are overcomplicating. This is the script (translated from Spanish): Good morning / afternoon / evening, how are you? My name is (whatever), what's your name? Do you live in the neighborhood? I'm looking for a good greengrocer nearby. (Whatever her answer is you respond with): Thank you (her name), can I have your phone number to call you sometime?

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072202]Sounds like the 18- to 20-year-old Afro-Venezuelan girls see you as the meat store.

But seriously, this is great info, thank you. And your previous post as well.

I have some questions: how do you talk to girls like these to proposition them for "dates", the first time? Do you walk over to them and start chatting them up when your girlfriend isn't around? Or do they come over to you with some excuse to talk when they see that you are by yourself? What do you say to them? I'm interested to know how to bring up pay-for-play in conversations with women who aren't actively advertising that they are selling sex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3072260]So what you are saying is that it is a numbers game like pretty much anything else.

Why wouldn't a person just get a normal girlfriend instead of a hooker if that is what they are after.[/QUOTE]Great question. My speculation is that he doesn't want to invest the time it requires to have a normal girlfriend. He just wants to have sex with a pretty woman. PN!

I speak from experience. I currently live in a house with six Venezuelan women between the ages of 18 and 22, each of whom has a boyfriend. Two other women in their early 40's also live in the house. All six of the younger women work in El Poblado, specifically around Parque Lleras.

​Sometimes they come home with large quantities of money, but because they each take care of their boyfriends and children, they burn through it like water. Sometimes they have millions and millions of pesos, but it disappears instantly. Still, as long as the rent and utilities are paid, who am I to criticize what they do with their silver? If someone wants to give them 400,000 pesos for an hour of sex, that's on them.

​I'm just telling you that because I live with a group of women who work in that specific area, I know the ins and outs of how they acquire and spend their money. Seeing what they do with it, there is no way I would ever give them that much. In fact, I wouldn't even give any of them 100,000 pesos—possibly because I know them personally, and my girlfriend is always watching everything they do! PN!

I think it's easy to underestimate the time commitment maintaining a girlfriend relationship requires. Back when I lived in the first world I never thought about it much because it was standard procedure for everybody in my social circle. In Colombia it's really noticeable how much of my time is consumed by my main girl. There are days when I just want to do a quick wham bam and not deal with all the rest. The difference is here I have that option and in my former life it wasn't something I considered real. Everything has its pluses and minuses. I enjoy the advantage of having someone I enjoy spending time with out of bed and I also enjoy being able to go full punter when I choose.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3072274]Great question. My speculation is that he doesn't want to invest the time it requires to have a normal girlfriend. He just wants to have sex with a pretty woman. PN![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3072238]As soon as they see me at the meat market by myself, they find any excuse to buy some small item just to get a look at me and strike up a casual conversation. Once the ice is broken, I let them know that I'd like to stop by and see them if they are available, asking what their rate is for a short time. They usually make me an offer that is so reasonable I end up doubling it. They are always the ones who initiate this, simply from noticing me walking back and forth to the meat market and grocery store every week. [/QUOTE]Thank you very much. This is the kind of clear, actionable advice and reporting that I am looking for. I seem to have difficulty reading between the lines on this forum sometimes, which is why I keep asking for things to be explicitly spelled out in the actual lines.

And before some of you think that I'm not listening or not learning, I assure you that I am. I started posting reports of some of my own experiences on this forum a few years ago. And for the past 9 months or so I have been more active with posting and asking for advice in various cities. And thanks to the reports and tips from some of the guys on here, I have learned about places to go, what to look for, what to look out for, how to think, how to negotiate more aggressively, and how to handle interactions better. As a result, I am having great sexual experiences with prostitutes for half the price or twice the service as the average sex tourist is getting. And on a forum where I see lots of complaining from different guys about receiving bad services or being overcharged, at least 80% of my experiences with the pros I have been seeing have ranged from good to amazing. So, thank you to all of you who have been contributing to this forum and helping me learn.

I know that some of you are getting even cheaper prices and arguably better service than I am, sometimes much, much cheaper. And I want to learn how, which is why I keep asking these kinds of questions and trying to understand. Especially when it comes to semi-pros, which is a strange gray area to me. It's interesting to me that on a forum dedicated to prostitution, the conventional wisdom among many of the guys who have been doing this for a decade or more, is that they no longer ever want to deal with full-on prostitutes. But I'm understanding why, and it makes sense. Please be patient with me and other guys on here who aren't seasoned veterans yet, and who take a little longer to learn the tricks and adapt our mindsets.

On the other hand, I often see a lot of comparing apples to oranges on this forum. And sometimes those comparisons are delivered in ways that come off as very judgmental, condescending, and grumpy. We all have our individual preferences of what we like and what kind of experiences we are looking for, and not everyone is always clear about exactly what they're getting for the prices they're paying. For some guys, it seems that all they care about is getting their rocks off inside someone, so why pay for 2 hours or 12 hours when they can get what they want in 30 minutes or less for bottom prices. Time spent in the encounters and personal connections don't seem to matter to them, and to some, even the woman's physical appearance doesn't seem to matter to them that much. And that's cool, there's something for everybody. But it's not the same thing as those who want longer, more intimate experiences when they travel, and who are not thinking of things in terms of just price-per-nut. Being more detailed and clearer when we talk about these things, and understanding that different guys want different things, can help all of us make more honest comparisons and provide more useful information for others.

So yeah, that's my Ted Talk.

Medellin has turned into one of the most disagreeable sex destinations.

The weather is horrible.

All the fine chicas have lert. What is left you don't see on the street. And if you don't know where to go you might as well have gone to panama or Costa Rica.

Just this evening, I was looking out over calle de buen mesa hahahaha and there were only men visible.

And now the millionaires have arrived and opened discos on karrera 34 competing with each other and all the others.

Well this weekend they all closed early. Provenza is now too dangerous to walk. Even the thieves are scared.

For you rich dudes in your 6+ dollar figure cars, you are lookin good. Congratulations.

But be careful. Some of you have already had your cars stolen and I hear it happened at gunpoint. It was in the news.

Anyway the point is, no rich people, gringo or non gringo, with half an ounce of sense, ever finds themselves on the street anymore in Colombia. Just too dangerous. Just don't do it. Bad people are waiting to do bad things from the shadows.

And as far as gringos opening discos and such in Colombia, the general consensus is Colombians will let you spend all your money how you want but won't ever spend one peso in any of your places. And there simply are not enough gringos to support such silly dreams as opening a disco in Colombia.

Who ever got you dudes involved with this idea?

And it has pissed off a lot of locals.

So in a few months, all will return to quiet, the hangers ONS will have conceded defeat and a new group of dreaming gringos will throw in the towel on their 6+ dollar figure "investments".

If any of you need a place to park your car after you leave, give me a buzz.

All because of a little cheap pussy, smoke and blow.

Time to party.

Has anyone spend all day at a casa trying out all the girls there?

I'm contemplating it when I go back. Hitting up my favorite spots and sampling all the girls available. My concern is the service tapering off from them not taking it seriously the further I get along as they see me running through all their friends.

I think you might see it differently if you were to look beyond Provenza. Fair point however that the UV level is very high when it isn't raining.

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;3072328]Medellin has turned into one of the most disagreeable sex destinations.

The weather is horrible.

All the fine chicas have lert. What is left you don't see on the street. And if you don't know where to go you might as well have gone to panama or Costa Rica.

Just this evening, I was looking out over calle de buen mesa hahahaha and there were only men visible.

And now the millionaires have arrived and opened discos on karrera 34 competing with each other and all the others.

Well this weekend they all closed early. Provenza is now too dangerous to walk. Even the thieves are scared.

For you rich dudes in your 6+ dollar figure cars, you are lookin good. Congratulations.

But be careful. Some of you have already had your cars stolen and I hear it happened at gunpoint. It was in the news..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3072346]Has anyone spend all day at a casa trying out all the girls there?

I'm contemplating it when I go back. Hitting up my favorite spots and sampling all the girls available. My concern is the service tapering off from them not taking it seriously the further I get along as they see me running through all their friends.[/QUOTE]Intresting theory but with shift changes you might have to do multiple 3 ways so that you sample everyone. Also that means you'the have to lay down with the heffers as well.

When messaging Prepago from the sites, you can message them directly to WhatsApp without adding them.

However now WhatsApp seems to auto suspend your account if you message that way. It gets stuck for an hour sometimes 5 hours and your not able.

To message new numbers during that time. The only solution I found is I haven to first add the number into my address phone's contact then go to WhatsApp and message.

I wish there was an easier way then this extra step, anyone have a workaround?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;3072432]When messaging Prepago from the sites, you can message them directly to WhatsApp without adding them.

However now WhatsApp seems to auto suspend your account if you message that way. It gets stuck for an hour sometimes 5 hours and your not able.

To message new numbers during that time. The only solution I found is I haven to first add the number into my address phone's contact then go to WhatsApp and message.

I wish there was an easier way then this extra step, anyone have a workaround?[/QUOTE]I didn't have this issue when I visited Medellin last year and Barranquilla and Santa Marta last month. Maybe it's a new bug.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3072346]Has anyone spend all day at a casa trying out all the girls there?

I'm contemplating it when I go back. Hitting up my favorite spots and sampling all the girls available. My concern is the service tapering off from them not taking it seriously the further I get along as they see me running through all their friends.[/QUOTE]I spent about six hours at a Casa in Barranquilla and had sessions with four girls (out of six) that were great there. They even offered me free drinks while I relaxed on the couch in the living room and watched TV during the break.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3072346]Has anyone spend all day at a casa trying out all the girls there?

I'm contemplating it when I go back. Hitting up my favorite spots and sampling all the girls available. My concern is the service tapering off from them not taking it seriously the further I get along as they see me running through all their friends.[/QUOTE]That does not take all day, and why do you assume the hookers that work there are friends? There is a casa in Bogota where you can fuck all the chicks that work there for 20 minutes each for 50,000 pesos.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3063377]That is where a lot of the girls live but for most mongers it is not the place that you want to hang out unless you want to be robbed. They will be on social media and they will travel to you. Most of the girls on social media are from Bello. That is how it usually works.[/QUOTE]You have no friends here. Cops are corrupt. Gangs everywhere. Guns everywhere. Please do not be an idiot and risk your life over some tacky women that wear sneakers with dresses. Have them come to you if you have competent security at your place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3072448]That does not take all day, and why do you assume the hookers that work there are friends? There is a casa in Bogota where you can fuck all the chicks that work there for 20 minutes each for 50,000 pesos.[/QUOTE]The casa I'm definitely doing this at has 12 girls total and 8-10 on duty at a time. So yes it would take all day.

Secondly it was tongue and cheek regarding them being friends, but these girls work together in a tight spot for 8-12 hours a day. I imagine they're more friends than not. Lastly I'll be doing this at casas a little more higher end than those downtown and ones that would offer a 50 k round robbin.

Maybe the mentality is the same, maybe not. I just don't want the girls to think since I'm the 5th girl he's seen, I don't need to do too much.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3072260]Why wouldn't a person just get a normal girlfriend instead of a hooker if that is what they are after.[/QUOTE]It's basically like PolloNegro and Knowledge said. Girlfriends take time that I don't have when I am not staying in one place for a long time. Not only does it take time to date and seduce them to establish a relationship, but normal girlfriend-material girls also want a boyfriend who will actually stick around for more than a few days or weeks. And even with the ones who are willing to do a long-distance relationship, that requires a serious investment maintaining the relationship by giving time and attention across the distance.

I could go out and try to pickup women who are open to short romantic flings. I've done it before in the past, in various cities around the world. But that also takes time that isn't guaranteed to produce the outcome I want, since it's a roll of the dice as to whether I am actually going to meet a woman who clicks with me and is okay with something casual like that, within a short time frame. At this point, when I don't have the same energy and enjoyment for the hunt that I had when I was younger, I'd rather have something that's guaranteed for my limited time.

I wasn't seeking this kind of arrangement, she is the one who propositioned me. But I went with it because I really liked her personality, and because I really wanted to fuck her.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072463]It's basically like PolloNegro and Knowledge said. Girlfriends take time that I don't have when I am not staying in one place for a long time. Not only does it take time to date and seduce them to establish a relationship, but normal girlfriend-material girls also want a boyfriend who will actually stick around for more than a few days or weeks. And even with the ones who are willing to do a long-distance relationship, that requires a serious investment maintaining the relationship by giving time and attention across the distance.[/QUOTE]In my vast experience none of that has ever been a problem. I think you guys are assuming it takes a certain thing, but when the rubber meets the road, in many cases it does not. And if you are talking about 1 or 2 chicks, that should be a cake walk. I honestly can not tell you have many chicks that are not hookers that I actually have. And many of them I have been dealing with for many years. And when I come around it is never for more than 1 or 2 days unless we are traveling together. For instance, when I am in the Dominican Republic in a couple of weeks I will go stay at my girl's house in Santiago for the first night. The next day I will drive to my girl's house in La Vega. The next day I will go get an Airbnb for 3 days in Santo Domingo where I will see 3 or 4 chicks then I am out. I do not think I have ever been with 1 chick for the weeks you are saying a chick would expect a guy to stay around for. Even when I am home in Thailand for an extended time I do not have to see or talk to my girlfriends there everyday. I may not talk to somebody for a week then send them a message asking if they want to go to the movies or come over or whatever. Guess it is because the chicks I deal with have normal lives and have to do things like work. And even when a chick tells me to let her know beforehand so she can take off work a few days, I will never do it. I pop up, pop in, and pop out.

Maybe it all boils down to personality. Earlier in the month I was hanging out in Thailand with a good friend who I met on this board many years ago. He was just amazed at shit that he has seen me do that I consider normal. This guy is a seasoned monger, but I guess when it comes to normal chicks and even some hookers, some people are maybe shy, uneasy, or uncomfortable. I am the kind of guy that will walk in and act like I own the place. For instance one monger in the Thailand thread was saying how he walked into a blow job bar the other day and bought a girl a drink and started playing pool with her. Some other guys came in and the girl ditched him. He said he was intending to get his dicked sucked but the chick left. I asked why he did not tell the chick that from the jump, afterall it is a blow job bar. He said he was trying to ease into it. The chick knew what she was there for, but he wanted to pussyfoot around in a hoarhouse. When I walk into a place like that I can get straight to the point. I do not need to buy drinks and call myself establishing a rapport. And I am pretty much the same with normal chicks. As the saying goes, "I am here for a good time, not a long time."

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3071417]
She was 30 yo, from Venezuela, tall, curvy body, wide round booty like I like them, and huge natural tits. Not the prettiest face in Medellin, but attractive to me. I did a quick video call with her just to make sure she looked as good as her photos. I saw her huge boobs pushed up in her top, showing off a lot of cleavage, so I made a joke that I wanted to make sure that she brings "her two friends" along with her. She misunderstood, and thought that I was requesting that she bring two more chicas with her to our cita, and said "Oh, sure! Just let me make a few quick calls". LOL!
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She's a good time, I'll probably see her again when I go back to Medellin later this week, and see if she's up for an incall in Comuna 13.[/QUOTE]On Saturday I met with this Venezuelan chica from my last trip again. She has a fun and easygoing personality, and since I'm by myself here, I asked her if she wanted to go out to see the Colombia-Portugal game with me. She said sure, and told me that two of her friends (a hot lesbian couple) had just opened up a new tienda in a barrio called El Salvador, and were setting up a big screen TV there for a viewing party. I said great, and a little while later she swung by in a taxi to pick me up at my hotel and then we were off to the game.

The street party was fun, her friends and other people there were friendly, El Salvador seemed cool, and the game was frustrating but at least Colombia qualified for the next round. Not surprisingly, some of her friends there were working girls like herself. She pointed them out to me, told me how much each one charges, "The one with the red hair charges 350", "This really pretty one with the lips charges 500", etc, and introduced me to a couple of them in person. Turns out, even the two hot lesbians (who turned out to be actually bisexual) happened to be working girls too. The "wife" still works as a hoe sometimes, while the "husband" quit in order to become the full-time manager of this business they opened up together.

After the game, I paid for the drinks and food we consumed, and then she and I went back to my hotel for 2 rounds of fucking. She wanted to tap out after the first round because she said it was getting late, but I made sure that she honored our agreement. She got me hard again and gave me an energetic quickie to make me cum a second time.

Earlier when we were setting up our date for the night, she asked me in the chat if I would like to try a threesome with her and one of her friends. This friend wasn't at the party, but she showed me some photos of her and the friend (also a Vene) looks doable, and also charges the same rate of 300. She told me that we could also have threesomes with some of her other friends, but that this one was the only one she feels comfortable enough doing girl-on-girl action with. She suggested, since I have never done a threesome before, that I could first try out her friend 1-on-1 to make sure we're compatible and so that I feel comfortable, and then afterwards the three of us could get together.

I told her that if she doesn't mind me being with her friends, and if she would give me their contact infos and recommend me to them to give me a good price (I want the friends-and-family discount), that I would tip her 50 k for each one I end up sexing with. She agreed to that and sent me photos and Whatsapps numbers for a couple of them later that night. I'm not sure how many open nights I have to try out her friends on this trip, since I already have several other dates lined up, but I want to take advantage of this opportunity so that I will have a chica in Medellin who can continue to pimp out her friends to me on future visits.

Have fun and stay safe!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3072477]In my vast experience none of that has ever been a problem. I think you guys are assuming it takes a certain thing, but when the rubber meets the road, in many cases it does not. And if you are talking about 1 or 2 chicks, that should be a cake walk. I honestly can not tell you have many chicks that are not hookers that I actually have. And many of them I have been dealing with for many years. And when I come around it is never for more than 1 or 2 days unless we are traveling together. [/QUOTE]I wouldn't call that a "girlfriend", I would call that a "fling" or "friends-with-benefits". But, different words mean different things to different people. Like I wrote, that's something I think I could do here, I've done it before. But for me, that takes a lot more time and effort to find them and get them into bed, than the on-demand availability of a chica who is offering pay-for-play. Plus, it's been a while since I used to do that, so I would probably be rusty (and yes, a bit shy). I think I would be spending more time hunting on this short visit than fucking.
20-something me would totally be up for that challenge. But 40-something me, at least right now, is fine with paying for it instead. If I already had friends-with-benefits relationships set up here, like you do in the DR and other places, of course I could just jump right into that and not worry about trying to meet someone new.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072486]

She suggested, since I have never done a threesome before, that I could first try out her friend 1-on-1 to make sure we're compatible and so that I feel comfortable, and then afterwards the three of us could get together.

[/QUOTE]She knows what she's talking about!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3072448]That does not take all day, and why do you assume the hookers that work there are friends? There is a casa in Bogota where you can fuck all the chicks that work there for 20 minutes each for 50,000 pesos.[/QUOTE]What is the name of this casa? Thanks.

Dear Mongers, I am from Atlanta, GA, USA and planning to visit Medellin for the first time.

Please DM with inputs for a first timer.

[QUOTE=Atlprince666;3072587]Dear Mongers, I am from Atlanta, GA, USA and planning to visit Medellin for the first time. Please DM with inputs for a first timer.[/QUOTE]No need for DMs bro. You need to RTFF is what. LMAO!

[QUOTE=Atlprince666;3072587]Dear Mongers, I am from Atlanta, GA, USA and planning to visit Medellin for the first time.

Please DM with inputs for a first timer.[/QUOTE]Turn on your DM by subscribing.

Yep, was out and about again today in Medellin.

All I can say is I hope there are better destinations now.

Between feminazis and McDonalds, Medellin is yesterdays flavor.

I know where I am moving to and you can ask where and I will tell you but it will be a lie.

Just like everything anyone and everyone will tell you throughout Colombia with or without a reason to lie.

Such a lie would be oh yeah another disco on karrera 34 is just what you need and will make you happy.

Or. The streets are paved with chicas.

Of course we all know and you all will learn, Medellin is yesterdays flavor.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072486] and if she would give me their contact infos and recommend me to them to give me a good price (I want the friends-and-family discount), that I would tip her 50 k for each one I end up sexing with.[/QUOTE]You can make this offer to any chica you've been with or will be with in Medellin, and 99% of them will gladly accept it. They will offer you not only their friends but even their hermanas, primas and tias.

[QUOTE=Atlprince666;3072587]Dear Mongers, I am from Atlanta, GA, USA and planning to visit Medellin for the first time.

Please DM with inputs for a first timer.[/QUOTE]Your all set to go I DM you lots and lots of chics.

[QUOTE=TDick;3072526]What is the name of this casa? Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few of these inexpensive Casas in Bogota. One of them was Rosquillas 57, they used to charge 50,000 COP for 20 minutes. I'm not sure if they still offer the same price. If you don't see anyone you like here, the guy standing outside with the black umbrella can take you to other nearby Casas.

Hello, I'm a first time here from USA, can someone give me some info as well please would really appreciate.

[QUOTE=Rshas;3072891]Hello, I'm a first time here from USA, can someone give me some info as well please would really appreciate.[/QUOTE]RTFF is your first task.

[QUOTE=Rshas;3072891]Hello, I'm a first time here from USA, can someone give me some info as well please would really appreciate.[/QUOTE]Read below about 3 posts down. And read the forum (abbreviated RTFF).

[QUOTE=Rshas;3072891]Hello, I'm a first time here from USA, can someone give me some info as well please would really appreciate.[/QUOTE]Best advice. Go to A massage / ho-house like Chica energy or New Life and empty your balls of potential stupidity. Go to La isla or fase Dos and drain them again. Then read the forum and explore like you're tricking of in Bankhead. MDE is only dangerous to people that forget where they at especially in el-centro.

How much is the cheapest session in new life now? I feel like I remember when it was 55 mil and then also remember when they bumped it to 60 mil and I was short 5 mil and paid the 3 mil showing fee but was refunded for being a regular and the bump in price happening overnight LOL.

I have some business to take care of in Itagüí but also have an independent girl I'm going to be visiting regularly in bello so being in centro makes the most sense. Also being able to sneak out for a quickie with a mid girl at new life or at ground zero is always appealing.

Will be my first time back in Medellin since 2023 or so. Decided to visit Bogota in 2024 and thought I'd never return to Medellin but business calls.

I had numerous successful sessions in El Centro. Because I look like Hispanic even been Malaysian-American. Most girls don't even know where Malaysia located at, El Centro is dangerous for gringos or African- Americans.

If you stay low profile, don't have any flashy items on you, you are find and just stay around strip clubs. Most strip clubs in El Centro have on-site rooms and I always gotten great service.

[QUOTE=AlexDeuce;3073010]Best advice. Go to A massage / ho-house like Chica energy or New Life and empty your balls of potential stupidity. Go to La isla or fase Dos and drain them again. Then read the forum and explore like you're tricking of in Bankhead. MDE is only dangerous to people that forget where they at especially in el-centro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;3073031]I had numerous successful sessions in El Centro. Because I look like Hispanic even been Malaysian-American. Most girls don't even know where Malaysia located at, El Centro is dangerous for gringos or African- Americans.

If you stay low profile, don't have any flashy items on you, you are find and just stay around strip clubs. Most strip clubs in El Centro have on-site rooms and I always gotten great service.[/QUOTE]This is a very funny post. I Don'tcha know where you picked up your information about Centro being dangerous for African Americans but it's quite funny. PN!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3073038]This is a very funny post. I Don'tcha know where you picked up your information about Centro being dangerous for African Americans but it's quite funny. PN![/QUOTE]It's important to do your homework to see where consensus is (if it exists), and to rely heavily upon what seasoned, experienced, senior members of the board have to say about a subject. It's no more or less dangerous for African-Americans in centro, or most any other place in Colombia, than it is for any other foreigners. And if you can speak decent Spanish, then they're going to think that you're from some other Latin American country with an accent (which is still no reason to let your guard down).

[QUOTE=TheCane;3073044]It's important…. still no reason to let your guard down).[/QUOTE]The most accurate part of your statement is 'never let your guard down.' I'm not sure if that makes me a 'seasoned' member or not, but I have eight or nine years of experience traveling back and forth to Colombia, specifically hanging out in the Centro area. I believe that amount of time gives me the standing to share what I have—and haven't—seen. In all those years, I have never noticed that they rob African Americans more than anyone else.

​I have no idea how heavy my accent is, but I can tell you that I have stayed in Colombia long enough that my neighbors didn't even know I spoke English. The one or two times they did hear me, they were extremely surprised because I speak Spanish fluently the entire time I am there. There is no need for me to speak English in a Spanish-speaking country. I don't know where this consensus comes from regarding African Americans being targeted more often in Centro, but I find it quite hilarious. I have spent a significant amount of time in Centro, and I am most definitely African American; however, if you heard me speak Spanish, you would never know it. PN!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3073038]This is a very funny post. I Don'tcha know where you picked up your information about Centro being dangerous for African Americans but it's quite funny. PN![/QUOTE]I think it's the weekend warrior stereotype. You see them in Parque Lleras -- loud, flashing money, lots of bling, drawing way too much attention. Put that person in El Centro and they're a prime target.

Dress and act like any Colombiano negro or moreno, no problem. Dress and act like any American, there can be an issue.

You can't take everything on the board to heart. You just have to take it for what it is, because there will always be people looking to stir up trouble and throw shots. With multiple board members, differences of opinion are inevitable.

​If you truly want to experience something, you need to go out and see it for yourself. Everyone's perspective is different, and you don't need to entertain every post—whether it's directed at you or not. Agitators only post to get a reaction, and I refuse to give them one. My time in Centro has been entirely positive. No one has robbed or mistreated me, and I don't need to single out any group just to get engagement on my posts. PN!

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3072017]In one way going to Nairobi would be an eye opening experience in the sense that the LT ST shit doesn't exist you pay a maybe 40 or so bucks and she leaves when you want her to leave.
[/QUOTE]That's a couple of times now that I have seen African countries recently mentioned positively over here on the Colombia board. Which sounds promising to me, since I have been curious about visiting Africa for the first time recently. I remember reading some guys on various boards making comments like "Africa is disappointing" for this hobby, or that it has changed for the worse. And when I browsed some of the African country boards a year or two ago, I saw multiple reports complaining about rushed service, and girls demanding tips or trying to upsell services right in the middle of sex. Obviously it's a big continent with many different countries each with their own cultures. But from the previous info I gathered, it didn't sound like the cheap, easy, and adoring sex destination that I had imagined it would be. Maybe I need to dig deeper, or just go ahead and try out an African country or two for myself.

My cousin, his best friend and some more guys went down last week. He said chicks were getting the new guys for $500. He tried to tell them, but you know horny guys don't listen. My cousin said he got some Fase 2 chick for $80 outside of her work hours. Him and his best friend did a lot of hanging out downtown, but the other guys were scared to go with them.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3073038]This is a very funny post. I Don'tcha know where you picked up your information about Centro being dangerous for African Americans but it's quite funny. PN![/QUOTE]I understand guys being afraid of how it looks. I grew up around that kind of shit so it does not bother me any. I have always stayed downtown except for the 2 times that I stayed in Laureles. I have never had a problem. And some years before covid I posted a report and pictures from my brand new Samsung Note around maybe 1 am of dope fiends in el centro doing their thing. I even told the guy to do it so I can take pictures. You can clearly see him posing for the camera with his lighter, aluminum foil and straight shooter to his mouth if you search for that post. I also posted pictures after that of the police beating some guy down one night in Botero, also taken with a top of the line Samsung. I have done the same in downtown Bogota. And I have never had an "in case I get robbed" phone like many guys advocate doing. I have never sensed any danger there, but I do understand. And like I said in the last post, I taught my cousin and his best friend the ropes and they have no problem going out to Botero, De Grieff, and that area and staying until 4 am.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3073255]That's a couple of times now that I have seen African countries recently mentioned positively over here on the Colombia board. Which sounds promising to me, since I have been curious about visiting Africa for the first time recently. I remember reading some guys on various boards making comments like "Africa is disappointing" for this hobby, or that it has changed for the worse. And when I browsed some of the African country boards a year or two ago, I saw multiple reports complaining about rushed service, and girls demanding tips or trying to upsell services right in the middle of sex. Obviously it's a big continent with many different countries each with their own cultures. But from the previous info I gathered, it didn't sound like the cheap, easy, and adoring sex destination that I had imagined it would be. Maybe I need to dig deeper, or just go ahead and try out an African country or two for myself.[/QUOTE]My brother in christ believe none of what you hear and a quarter of what you see. I appreciate that you take the time to read my posts but we are all individuals. I LOVE Kenya! But please don't go halfway around the world based on some faceless posts on the internet.

To answer your question the idea that a Kenyan would give you rushed service or demand a tip is laughable to me. Put it to you this way; Kenya in a banner year might get 2 million tourists ;the DR gets 11 million obviously the vast majority of visitors or either country are not mongers but for the ones who are where would you assume the most competition would be?

I would say you are a good and a bad candidate to go to Kenya Good because the chances of you getting a GFE experience is quite high. You want to hang out with a girl there's a decent chance bepending on the girl you choose that she never as been on the Touristy side of Nairobi. You're not impressing a girl in Meddy by taking her to Parque Llreas. Nairobi is also much safer to boot.

But women are women all over the world and you seem pretty tinder around the zipper. That being said I guess you've been to Rio and Meddy and haven't died so you will be fine in Kenya.

My overall point is what are you looking for? You say you got a girlfriend In Medellin and you do well in SD and you've been Rio what are you looking for that you're not getting?

I keep telling women are human beings There's no majical place where women grab your hand at the airport and give you the experience of your life.

I've never been to Brazil but if you're a fan of kissing these hoes in the mouth Rio is the spot. If you want to cornhole chicas again Rio is tops for that.

Granted it's pretty far from the states so Meddy and SD are closer.

If you're asking for a comparison I guess if I was a love starved incel who never had a woman say Hello to me then Kenyan women are more desperate and will love bomb you to death the downside will not be getting short charged but the chica trying to mate guard you from other options. If you want to run through a gang of women without them trying to spend no sexual time SD is best FR that. Meddy is the most pleasant place to live out of the places I've been to.

So You might ask yourself why are you in Cali then? Simple because Cali is the happy medium between Cheap pussy, pleasant place to live, the ability to run through girls and even having an actual Girl friend it's not the best in any one category (well general cost of living) but it's good enough at everything to be the place that I call home.

My only piece of advice is to find out your mongering style then find the places that YOU want to go not necessarily where the ISG consensus is. Most People say Pattaya is the best place on the planet for pussy and I believe them but I'm in no hurry to get there.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3073255]That's a couple of times now that I have seen African countries recently mentioned positively over here on the Colombia board. Which sounds promising to me, since I have been curious about visiting Africa for the first time recently. I remember reading some guys on various boards making comments like "Africa is disappointing" for this hobby, or that it has changed for the worse. And when I browsed some of the African country boards a year or two ago, I saw multiple reports complaining about rushed service, and girls demanding tips or trying to upsell services right in the middle of sex. Obviously it's a big continent with many different countries each with their own cultures. But from the previous info I gathered, it didn't sound like the cheap, easy, and adoring sex destination that I had imagined it would be. Maybe I need to dig deeper, or just go ahead and try out an African country or two for myself.[/QUOTE]Now first of all you need to know what you want and your mongering style, Technically on what I gather from your posts Nairobi and Rio (or both) would be damn near perfect for you. You seem to want a pretend GF or extended GFE with excursions and hand holding but also want to run through as many different women as you can.

This is only a question you can answer I'm actually similar except for the extended GFE but the problem is I hate flying. I took a short hop to Jamaica recently and couldn't wait to get off. But if you don't mind flying why not just use those Frequent flyer miles and keep going until you find your spot or just keep flying.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=JohnMong;3073029]How much is the cheapest session in new life now? I feel like I remember when it was 55 mil and then also remember when they bumped it to 60 mil and I was short 5 mil and paid the 3 mil showing fee but was refunded for being a regular and the bump in price happening overnight LOL.

I have some business to take care of in Itag but also have an independent girl I'm going to be visiting regularly in bello so being in centro makes the most sense. Also being able to sneak out for a quickie with a mid girl at new life or at ground zero is always appealing.

Will be my first time back in Medellin since 2023 or so. Decided to visit Bogota in 2024 and thought I'd never return to Medellin but business calls.[/QUOTE]They were raising it the week I was last there. I believe 85 mil.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3073264]My cousin, his best friend and some more guys went down last week. He said chicks were getting the new guys for $500. He tried to tell them, but you know horny guys don't listen. My cousin said he got some Fase 2 chick for $80 outside of her work hours. Him and his best friend did a lot of hanging out downtown, but the other guys were scared to go with them.[/QUOTE]That has to be a currency miscommunication as go to the back is exactly 500.000 pesos $140, the girl gets 350.000 pesos $100, and the cashier takes the payment and remits to the girl or her house bank. If true $500 they got collided upon and jacked.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3061683]
Chica #4 - 20 yo, another thicc cutie, light skin, pretty and sweet, nice tits and ass. Awesome personality, really clicked with this one. The first round was with condom. As we were starting the second round after some pillow talk, I was rubbing the head of my cock against her pussy lips and clit, and then she just pulled me inside her, no condom. Neither of us said anything about it, we just went right into bareback sex. I love it when it goes down like that! When I was ready to cum, I asked her if she wanted me to finish inside her or outside, and she said outside. I had her again on the last day of my trip, we did it bare again for both rounds, and then we had lunch together at a nearby cafe. We had agreed on 400 k, and I tipped her an extra 50 k for letting me hit it raw.
[/QUOTE]This paisa I met on Tinder in February, I saw her again twice when I went back to Medellin in April, and again three times during my return visit this past week. The first night we met back in February, she wanted to talk with me for a bit in my hotel room to break the ice before we got started with the sex. She asked me some common questions about myself, if I had been to Medellin before, how I was liking it, etc. And then she started asking me some uncommon questions about mongering. Have I had a lot of "dates" with other chicas like her, how long have I been doing this for, have I been down to Parque Lleras and seen all the chicas walking around there, what were some of my favorite things I've done with women, etc.

Then she told me some things about herself, how she was selective with the men she meets for her "job", trying to feel them out first when chatting online, to avoid guys who seemed rude or creepy. She talked a little about some of the best experiences she has had with men while doing this (like being taken on a weekend trip to Guatape, etc). How she and some of her friends have been learning the ropes of "the work" together, and generally she seemed to be geeking out a little about being a hoe. It was interesting that she wanted to talk shop with me like this, and it gave me a little more of an insider view into her world.

One thing that stood out was how she is in several Whatsapp groupchats with other hoes. Besides them discussing the game together, they also use these as a referral system. So if a guy is looking for a particular type of chica (certain looks, age, does uncommon extras, S&M, whatever,) they can try to find him one who fits the criteria within their social network. Or if a guy is with a group of friends and wants multiple chicas to come over to party with and service them, the chica he's talking to can put out the Bat-Signal to her Whatsapp groups for other chicas to answer the call.

After a while of chatting, we finally got into bed together and had our first round of really good sex. During pillow talk while I was recovering for round two, she asked me more questions about myself, and wanted to see some of my travel photos from places I've been around the world. She showed me a few of her own (different parts of Colombia), as well as some Instagram photos of her very hot mom who apparently travels quite a lot, and was currently touring around Peru. It made me wonder why her mom was out traveling the world and living it up by herself, leaving the daughter stuck living alone in Bello and turning tricks. Then it occurred to me that her mom might also be a hoe, who has rich gringos or sugar-daddies who take her with them on these trips.

When I came back to Medellin in April, she was the first chica I wanted to see. Had her come meet me at my hotel shortly after check-in, to get me off and relax me from the travel fatigue. I was so excited to be with her again, and her tight little pussy felt so good bouncing around on my cock bareback, that I almost didn't pull out in time when I suddenly started to pop. I shoved her off me at the last second, and then she grabbed hold of my cock with both hands and jerked me through my orgasm, while she watched me cum and flashed her beautiful Jennifer Lopez smile at me. She is very GFE, and reminds me of the kind of girls I dated back when I was in college.

We cuddled and talked, ordered some Rappi, ate and talked some more. She told me she wanted to do more things with me, like going out to dinner and to the cinema. I was totally down for that, and suggested that we could also go dancing together, and she could help me shop for some clothes and be my fashion consultant. I invited her to go out with me a few nights later to the dance class in Poblado, but she showed up very late, so we missed out on the class (all good, I ended up going to the class on another night with the sugar-baby from my other report). Instead of that, we had dinner at Purple Reign there in Poblado. The food was very good, she ordered the New York Steak (what the fuck happened to the days of women ordering a salad?), and I thought fuck it, I'll have one too. They gave us a great creme brulee for dessert, for free, which was a nice touch.

Then we went back to my hotel for a few hours of sex. Afterwards, she asked me if I have ever had a threesome before, and suggested I could have one with her and her best friend (another good-looking hoe around the same age as her). "A new experience for you". I had mixed feelings about her proposing that, since I have been crushing on her so hard. Probably a healthy reminder to me that this sweet, adorable chica who doesn't seem like a hoe is still a hoe.

This past week that I came back to Medellin, I saw her three more times, and we had a lot of fun together. But since I had been catching feelings for her before, I made it a point to just try to think of her as my massage therapist. A massage therapist who helps me cum. Nobody falls in love with their masseuse.

[QUOTE=Vern2020;3073281]They were raising it the week I was last there. I believe 85 mil.[/QUOTE]Wtf man LOL I hope the quality of girls has increased. Part of the appeal there is that you pay less but aren't guaranteed a girl you like.

How was the quality of girls last time you were there? When was that? I fly out this weekend.

I painfully want to go back to Medellin but one thing I hate is the lack morning-noon services, the need for setting up appointments, and traveling to one of the few places you know that give good BBBJCIM.

The appeal of just walking from a hotel to a BJ bar for a cheap morning nut makes me want to put up with the long flight, uggos and LBs in Thailand.

Has anyone negotiated just BJ service from Lleras chicas for less than the standard rate? I want to walk out of a Airbnb to the park and bringing back a girl for quick no fuss service. Considering there no action for the few that hit the park early, I'm wondering if they're willing to negotiate.

[QUOTE=Tasss;3070933]Common knowledge for the last few years has been avoid Tinder due to scope queens. But I'm rebuilding my FB roster after lots of retirements and it's been harder than I remember. Lots of locked profiles where I can't even see the girl's face. The girls who are not hiding their pics are not that attractive. Is Tinder now a legit avenue for P4P? I've seen some success stories recently for the app.[/QUOTE]Here is how I recommend you use Tinder. Pay for a month of Platinum. When you create your profile set the options to Incognito so the only women who see your profile are the ones you swipe right on first. Second, create a profile that the women can read between the lines on. Make references to "sugar" like "Soy un SUGAR" or "Soy dulce como SUGAR" They will pick up on what you mean. Mention that you are looking for someone to enjoy time with each month and you can help them in things in their lives. Yeah, it sounds stupid. It will draw out the girls who are down for P4P.

Be careful when you start chatting with them on Tinder. Move the convo to your throw away phone number on Whatsapp as quickly as possible then block them on Tinder. That so if they get stupid they can't go back and report your conversation and get your phone banned from Tinder. (Happened to me twice so I had to learn the hard way!

When meeting with them I recommend taking them to Motel Ibiza or somewhere like that until you know them very well. Even then, be careful. Never trust 100%. The good thing about Motel Ibiza is no one can leave along. If she drugs you she is stuck in that room. They won't open the door without talking to you and they have to see both people come out. Less chance of her drugging you because she will get caught.

[QUOTE=ElCapo;3073501]Here is how I recommend you use Tinder.

Be careful when you start chatting with them on Tinder. Move the convo to your throw away phone number on Whatsapp as quickly as possible then block them on Tinder. That so if they get stupid they can't go back and report your conversation and get your phone banned from Tinder. (Happened to me twice so I had to learn the hard way!.[/QUOTE]One thing I can tell you about traveling with multiple phones or different WhatsApp accounts is that when you return to America and go through immigration, the officers can ask for your phone. They can go through it and search every message on your WhatsApp. They can even keep your device for as long as they see fit. Back in 2022, immigration officers confiscated two or three of my phones. They took my information and told me they would keep the devices to search them for as long as they wanted, and that they would contact me when they were available for pickup. Approximately 18 months later—after I had hired an attorney—I got a phone call out of the blue from the Orlando airport field office telling me my phones were ready to be picked up. I was so shocked that I called my attorney and asked him to contact the immigration office. My attorney actually had an investigator from his office travel from our city to Orlando to pick them up. When I finally received the phones, none of them had SIM cards anymore, and they had been completely ravaged. They were barely functioning; they would turn on, but they basically had to be erased and started over from scratch.

​My suggestion to anyone traveling with phones who doesn't want anyone seeing what's on them is to always keep an absolute blank burner phone. Before you leave Colombia, erase the entire phone and set it back to factory default. Make sure you remove any linked Google accounts. You do not want immigration officers to have any more information than they need. I had many problems with immigration in 2022, and for that exact reason, I now make it a rule to travel with two blank phones just in case one is stolen. The day before I return to the US, I take the phone I was using while in Colombia, completely erase it, and set it back to default. This way, when I get back to America and officers want to look at my electronic devices, they can clearly see there is nothing on them at all. I have no idea why they did what they did or why they kept them so long, but what I can tell you is to be vigilant about your habits. I personally would never join a WhatsApp group where women solicit services, especially if you aren't going to be vigilant enough to erase your phone before leaving the country. If they find out that was the reason you were traveling, the US can put a hold on your passport and come up with some crazy charges. Like they told me: when you are in immigration, you are not completely in the United States yet, so they can basically do whatever they choose. This is just a heads-up—it's not to scare anyone, but to tell you to be more vigilant with your practices. Whenever you are traveling, for whatever reason, make sure you give them no more information than absolutely necessary. PN!

Here's a simple piece of advice for anyone traveling to Colombia: if you are not a licensed businessperson, do not attempt to do any kind of business there. This is especially true when it comes to electronics like cell phones, tablets, or laptops. It will absolutely go wrong, and they will make you look like the worst criminal since Pablo Escobar.

Leave selling electronics to the locals downtown in Centro. Trust me, they will make a massive issue out of it, even over something small. Based on my experience, never bring more than two or three cell phones or tablets into Colombia at any one time; otherwise, they will insinuate that you are trying to start an illegal business and cut out the middleman. If you are there for the women, just focus on that. Do not engage in any kind of trade, whether it's selling, trading, or even giving cell phones away as gifts. It will only cause you more problems than you can imagine. Just don't do it. PN!

To you or others, it's just a cell phone or tablet or laptop but. The international importation of illicit goods is a federal crime because the USA Constitution grants the federal government exclusive jurisdiction over international borders, foreign commerce, and national security. Allowing unauthorized items into the country bypasses critical public safety, economic, and regulatory protections. For example, customs fraud, smuggling, and duty evasion directly harm domestic businesses and undermine the USA Economy. Federal oversight ensures that proper tariffs are paid and protects the marketplace against counterfeit goods. Don't chance it! PN!

I can personally tell you the do's and don'ts when traveling to Colombia—whether it's meeting with other board members, dating women from WhatsApp groups who send females to your apartment, choosing certain Airbnb's, or dealing with wingmen. I can also speak on cell phones and electronics, the protection of women, and how governments, especially the United States, try to make an excessive deal over guys who pay for companionship. I can address any of these topics because I have run afoul of the law in each and every one of them, and I can give you detailed outcomes and the consequences of getting into trouble with these situations. PN!

I can also guarantee you that if women from Colombia are willing to testify and are able to identify who you are, and if you get caught up in a situation where you are being charged through Immigration and Customs, they will allow these women to testify against you. They will keep them protected and hide their identity, and you will be charged with the crime to the maximum extent. That is why I suggest that you stay vigilant about your craft, stay vigilant with your practices, and make sure you have a burner phone. Before you enter the United States, that phone should be erased and set to factory reset or default. PN!

From September of 2022 until October of 2025 I ran into some serious problems with US Customs and immigration. I can also guarantee you that if women from Colombia are willing to testify and are able to identify who you are, and if you get caught up in a situation where you are being charged through Immigration and Customs, they will allow these women to testify against you. They will keep them protected and hide their identity, and you will be charged with the crime to the maximum extent. That is why I suggest that you stay vigilant about your craft, stay vigilant with your practices, and make sure you have a burner phone. Before you enter the United States, that phone should be erased and set to factory reset or default. Stay vigilant! PN!

​On a more positive note, after three years of fighting with customs and immigration, my bank account was finally returned to me. I was also granted financial compensation for the three years of work I missed, and I now receive a six-figure pension. Because of this, I no longer have to work, and any debt I accrued while going through this ordeal was completely paid off and taken care of by the US government.

​However, my health took a substantial beating during those three years of fighting. I can honestly tell you that I wouldn't wish this kind of situation on my worst enemy. If you are traveling to Colombia to see the women, do just that—but do not bring any electronics. Don't take any electronics into or out of the country. Just don't. For this exact reason, I no longer travel with a suitcase anymore; I only bring my book bag.

My pension provides substantial financial security, leaving me entirely free of debt and bills. As a result, I am able to travel internationally for 10 to 11 months of the year. Although I occasionally miss my career, the financial freedom to choose not to work is an incredible blessing! Stay Vigilant! PN!

Yup happened to me and I am Pollo Blanco. They target everyone, esp males traveling alone to and from Medellin. They are looking for Pedos so I wasn't worried about anything. Just a bit embarrassed since I had some pics of Tijuana HK girls on Vacay on there. They spent about an hour looking through my stuff and gave me back my phones.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3073531]One thing I can tell you about traveling with multiple phones or different WhatsApp accounts is that when you return to America and go through immigration, the officers can ask for your phone. They can go through it and search every message on your WhatsApp. They can even keep your device for as long as they see fit. Back in 2022, immigration officers confiscated two or three of my phones. They took my information and told me they would keep the devices to search them for as long as they wanted, and that they would contact me when they were available for pickup. Approximately 18 months laterafter I had hired an attorneyI got a phone call out of the blue from the Orlando airport field office telling me my phones were ready to be picked up. I was so shocked that I called my attorney and asked him to contact the immigration office. My attorney actually had an investigator from his office travel from our city to Orlando to pick them up. When I finally received the phones, none of them had SIM cards anymore, and they had been completely ravaged. They were barely functioning; they would turn on, but they basically had to be erased and started over from scratch.[/QUOTE]

Day time is Botero.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3073404]I painfully want to go back to Medellin but one thing I hate is the lack morning-noon services, the need for setting up appointments, and traveling to one of the few places you know that give good BBBJCIM.

The appeal of just walking from a hotel to a BJ bar for a cheap morning nut makes me want to put up with the long flight, uggos and LBs in Thailand.

Has anyone negotiated just BJ service from Lleras chicas for less than the standard rate? I want to walk out of a Airbnb to the park and bringing back a girl for quick no fuss service. Considering there no action for the few that hit the park early, I'm wondering if they're willing to negotiate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElCapo;3071142]I had a quick overnight in Medellin and decided I wanted to have some fun. I had 19 hours from arrival to departure. Opened Tinder and started going through the motions. Left and right over and over. I pay for a membership and have mine set so only the women I swipe right on can see me. That works well!
...[/QUOTE]Great report, glad you found yourself a diamond!

I noticed in this report, and in your recent post about Tinder tips, how you set it so that only the women you swipe right on first can see your profile. Why is that? Why do you think it works well for you?

I also have been using Tinder a lot in Latin America the past year, but I do basically the opposite of what you're doing. I have Tinder Gold, and rarely ever swipe anyone first. Instead, I wait a while to accumulate a queue of women who have swiped right on me, and then I swipe the ones I like most from among those who have already chosen me. I do this so that the majority of my swipes will convert to matches, so as to not lower my score by wasting my swipes on women who will never see my profile, or worse, be penalized even more by swiping right on the women who will end up swiping left on me. The point being to try to keep my score high.

That seems to have worked well for me, as once I figured it out, I started getting a larger number of women swiping right on my profile. Especially in cities that are very Tinder-active, like Medellin and Santo Domingo. However, for the past few months the algorithm doesn't seem to like me as much as before. On my recent trip to Medellin, I didn't get nearly as many swipe-rights as I did on my previous two trips. And this past week when I set my location to Santo Domingo for an upcoming trip, and used a boost, I got only a handful of swipe-rights, which is really weird. The first time I ever used a boost in Santo Domingo, back in October, I got 100 swipe-rights in a single day, and 50 more swipe-rights the next day. I couldn't possibly have just over-fished these locations, could I?

I don't know if Tinder changed their algorithm to prioritize other behavior, or if it has penalized me for swiping right too many times, or for swiping left too many times (I do swipe left often on women I don't like, to keep my profile "recently active" even when I'm not making matches). Or if there is a penalty against having a large number of matches saved up without messaging them (saving them for future trips). I see a lot of speculation on the internet about how Tinder's algorithm works, but it seems like they change it from time to time, and people rarely seem to agree on how it really works or what are the best strategies (other than "have really good photos".).

So, I figure it could be worth trying out your method for a while, and I'm interested to hear your reasoning behind it.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3073621]Great report, glad you found yourself a diamond!

I noticed in this report, and in your recent post about Tinder tips, how you set it so that only the women you swipe right on first can see your profile. Why is that? Why do you think it works well for you?

[/QUOTE]There are women there that will report profiles that appear to be looking for P4P. And if enough of them report your device gets banned. I got burned twice and had to buy new phones. With this method the chances are less. And I won't talk business on Tinder. Only via Whatsapp with a throw away number.

There are women in Colombia that hate us!

Reading the recent posts, I'm wondering if it's still worth it going to Medellin.

One can be betrayed by the girls, police and immigration don't like us, citizens reporting us and you can get in trouble and have to explain yourself or in worst case get arrested. If you are american even your own migration hassles you eventually.

I understand that this whole thing was getting out of control in Poblado, too many foreigner flashing and bragging. If everyone would have tried to fit in, discreet like Colombians do it, low profile, align with culture and respect towards people and country, the situation would be half as bad.

Hopefully policy will change with the next government.

I love colombians and their culture, so will return one day for sure, but not now.

This is a subject I care deeply about and if you want to go down the rabbithole check out The Hated One's Youtube channel.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkmTxBTe52o[/URL]

But a simple thing to do is to just not back up anything into the cloud. There was a case where a woman was found not guilty on a murder that she was clearly in and your phone was used The police cracked her IPhone but because she didn't back up her IMessage in Icloud they couldn't find the old messages.

That's not going to work if an intelligence agency is on you but will work for customs. Also I buy cheap droid burners off if Ebay before a trip and usually dump them after. If you have numbers or information that you want to save if you factory reset I have a laptop with Bitwarden where I save important notes. I don't even have the Bit warden app on my burner phones so even if they broke into my phones there would be nothing there.

If you really want to get sexy you can get a Yubikey and even a Buskill device for the laptop but this is rarely necessary.

Generally speaking as of now Laptops are seen as different than phones and don't get the same level of scrutiny.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3073708]Reading the recent posts, I'm wondering if it's still worth it going to Medellin.

One can be betrayed by the girls, police and immigration don't like us, citizens reporting us and you can get in trouble and have to explain yourself or in worst case get arrested. If you are american even your own migration hassles you eventually.

I understand that this whole thing was getting out of control in Poblado, too many foreigner flashing and bragging. If everyone would have tried to fit in, discreet like Colombians do it, low profile, align with culture and respect towards people and country, the situation would be half as bad.

Hopefully policy will change with the next government.

I love colombians and their culture, so will return one day for sure, but not now.[/QUOTE]Yes and no.

If you're the traveler who hits several countries on the Trick Trail then right now Costa Rica is better than Colombia. If you're invested Colombia is still one of the best places to go. You got newbies reporting Tinder success despite the massive scoping mobs on Tinder.

Keep in mind it's a war of numbers. 5 million vistors came to Colombia last year and 60 people were turned back. That's an infinitely small number.

I always say if you want to visit Medellin for the first time Go to the DR, Colombia is not a country for the clueless monger. That being said some of th newest mongers manage to figure it out all the time.

The new President promised a crackdown on drugs anyone believe that he'll be successful? I'd say anyone who glances at this board is miles ahead of anyone else.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

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1. When you find a place where girls do not betray please let us know.

2. Immigration does not care about any of us who are not flagged on sex offender or Interpol lists and are able to logically respond to routine questions without weirding out the agent.

[QUOTE=PSAddict;3073708]Reading the recent posts, I'm wondering if it's still worth it going to Medellin.

One can be betrayed by the girls, police and immigration don't like us, citizens reporting us and you can get in trouble and have to explain yourself or in worst case get arrested. If you are american even your own migration hassles you eventually.

I understand that this whole thing was getting out of control in Poblado, too many foreigner flashing and bragging. If everyone would have tried to fit in, discreet like Colombians do it, low profile, align with culture and respect towards people and country, the situation would be half as bad.

Hopefully policy will change with the next government.

I love colombians and their culture, so will return one day for sure, but not now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3073269]
But women are women all over the world and you seem pretty tinder around the zipper. That being said I guess you've been to Rio and Meddy and haven't died so you will be fine in Kenya.
My overall point is what are you looking for? You say you got a girlfriend In Medellin and you do well in SD and you've been Rio what are you looking for that you're not getting?
[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input, Trip! I don't have a girlfriend in Medellin, it's more of a sugar-baby arrangement with a chica who really blurs the lines. I know it's conditional, and I know it's temporary.

Regarding the mongering style I want, yes, I love GFE. And extended GFE even better with the right chicas I click with and trust enough. That's why I have asked a lot of questions about Semi-Pros, since that sounds to me like an extended GFE, while potentially being more sincere and natural, and less expensive, than being with Pros. And yes, I also want to run through as many different attractive women as I can, because I also love variety. It's not that I haven't been getting what I want so far from the places I have been, I just want to keep exploring and having new experiences in different places with different types of women.

Maybe it's the thinking-out-loud way that I write, or the kind of questions that I ask, that make me sound more naive than I actually am. Yes, I am relatively new to mongering, and I know I have a lot to learn about that. That's one of the reasons why I write my reports here, as a way to process my experiences and learn from them. And receiving feedback on my reports, on both the good and the bad, helps me learn too. I also post my reports because I want to pay my dues here, by providing real boots on the ground information and honest experiences that can hopefully benefit others too.

But I actually have a ton of experience and knowledge when it comes to traveling and women in general. I have been with many Non-Pros while traveling and living in various countries around the world, picking them up, seducing them, having sex, relationships. And I've been with many American women and foreign women living in the US. And then a long, toxic, and mostly sexless marriage took me out of the game for a long time, and really fucked with my self confidence.

After my divorce a few years ago, I came to Colombia to spend time with some people I know here. That's when I began mongering for the first time, because I wanted to start having sex again with the least amount of friction, and I wanted to try to fuck all those years of a terrible relationship out of my system. Since then, I have come to appreciate mongering as a shortcut to getting sex, with the quantity and variety of women that I want. I can picture myself continuing to pay4 play for the easy and on-demand nature of it, while also balancing that out with real relationships with normal women.

Regarding some of the cities you mentioned, yes, I have been to Rio and loved it (as well as Salvador Bahia). I haven't mongered in Brazil yet, since every time I have been there, I have always found Non-Pros who wanted to fuck me and date me for free, even when there for only a few days. But because guys speak so highly of it, I would totally try out mongering in Rio, and maybe check out Sao Paulo, too. The way you describe Nairobi, I think I should definitely check it out. When I set my Tinder location to Nairobi out of curiosity, I got an insane number of matches very quickly. Thailand is a country I have always wanted to go to for many reasons. Probably would have been better to go 20 years ago or so when I first got the desire, but better late than never. I haven't been to Cali yet, but I have talked with a number of Colombians who think that Cali has the most beautiful women, even though Paisas are more famous for their beauty.

Anyway, perhaps this bit of information about myself helps make more sense of my mindset and my posts. As always, I appreciate the critiques and advice.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3073819]Thanks for your input, Trip! I don't have a girlfriend in Medellin, it's more of a sugar-baby arrangement with a chica who really blurs the lines. I know it's conditional, and I know it's temporary.

I have talked with a number of Colombians who think that Cali has the most beautiful women, even though Paisas are more famous for their beauty.

Anyway, perhaps this bit of information about myself helps make more sense of my mindset and my posts. As always, I appreciate the critiques and advice.[/QUOTE]FWIW Caleñas are probably more recognized for their beauty by Colombians. You're hearing the foreign view and way more foreign men visit Medellin than Cali so that's what we hear.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3073769]
I always say if you want to visit Medellin for the first time Go to the DR, Colombia is not a country for the clueless monger. That being said some of th newest mongers manage to figure it out all the time.[/QUOTE]If I would have gone to Colombia within the first year of mongering I would be dead. Glad I tried other spots first to get a feel for how the game goes.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072494]I wouldn't call that a "girlfriend", I would call that a "fling" or "friends-with-benefits". But, different words mean different things to different people. Like I wrote, that's something I think I could do here, I've done it before. But for me, that takes a lot more time and effort to find them and get them into bed, than the on-demand availability of a chica who is offering pay-for-play. Plus, it's been a while since I used to do that, so I would probably be rusty (and yes, a bit shy). I think I would be spending more time hunting on this short visit than fucking.
20-something me would totally be up for that challenge. But 40-something me, at least right now, is fine with paying for it instead. If I already had friends-with-benefits relationships set up here, like you do in the DR and other places, of course I could just jump right into that and not worry about trying to meet someone new.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3072494]I wouldn't call that a "girlfriend", I would call that a "fling" or "friends-with-benefits". But, different words mean different things to different people.[/QUOTE]I wanted to respond to this post for a while but I could not organize what I was trying to say. I used [URL]seeking.com[/URL] to meet women back then and I guess you are using Tinder but what I did not really get is how swamped the women are on even on social media sites like seeking. I had a girl on seeking show me her phone and she got hundreds of messages but basically outside of maybe 2 or 3 guys it was a bunch of losers trying to con the woman into fucking her for free. She had a level head about her, and she was the rare woman who got what the guys were doing and we saw eye to eye. If I had told another woman that was the case, I might have gotten something like, "OOh, you are just jealous because I have gotten so much attention. "

Because women are on social media and getting so much attention from men, even men trying to scam them into bed, the ego inflation of women has been absolutely unreal. And the egos of men get sunk because so few women are interested in them. Because of all the attention they are getting, women who are 3's and 4's expect to be treated like 10's. Many women cannot tell the difference between men who want to marry them versus men who want to fuck them, and many are offended if you tell them the truth.

If I had to do it all over again, I would have used seeking as a base of women in Colombia and started setting up a network of women which I kind of did anyway. I have been listening to the Men of Action podcasts and seen how much evolutionary biology plays with regards to sexual desire and the same desirable physical traits were mapped out in culture after culture, and I do not have those traits. But there was one thing that trumps even that, and it is having other women desiring you, and I had that in spades. Before I committed to my gal, I told her that I had a trip with three other women. It seems like kind of a dick move to say, "Before I commit to you, I have made plans where I am going to be banging three hot girls for a week", but I really did not want to cancel. In fact, in hindsight, I think it was important to show her that I was desired by other women. In other words, I am happy in my life right now and if we do not work out, I am not going to be miserable going back to these women.

When I did the seeking meet and greets, I would put women into one in four categories: not interested, hookers, possible sugar baby, and ony one time did a girl make the GF / wife category (and that was not my current gal). Everyone gets the first two categories but what separates a SB or FWB from a GF is that you are a friendly acquaintance to them with few expectations outside of a little time or money. So they are always glad when you pop into see them versus a GF who expects you to want to spend time with them and has expectations like your being monogamous.

What I did not get on this forum is how many guys here are expats who are time rich and money anxious whereas working guys like me were more anxious about our time in Colombia versus money. Anyway, the sugar relationship was the type of relationship I preferred as there were far less demands on my time and much fewer expectations than a GF. The sugar babies had had no expectation of monogamy and knew I was fucking other women bare and while they may not have approved of it, they tolerated it.

In fact, if you can get women in your circle, you will attract other women who want to have sex with a woman in your circle. I did not get this at first but for many women having a threesome is different than their being a lesbian even if they are going down on another woman.

Thing is that if you play the social media game, it is inevitable that the women will have their egos lifted and the men have it depressed, but that is not real life. I met one Venezuelan girl in Mexico who was a stunning 10 type who modeled all over the world with 200,000+ instagram followers, and I was intimidated but in hindsight, I know now that I should have not been because she was dead ass broke. The pandemic left her without work.

It is such an American thing to be worried about what women want. In Colombia, I think you need to define what it is you want.

Unlike their American counterparts, it takes a lot of trust on the Colombian woman's part for them to gripe about men, and I think that is because there is no money or attention coming a Colombian's woman's way if she does so. It seems to be seen as a sign of weakness in Colombia for women to complain about men. I asked my gal's female relatives to make a joke about how I looked, and they would not do it.

Of all the husbands I had met, there was one I thought who had not cheated on his wife, and I just learned he has. I do not want to say it is okay to cheat but it is mostly tolerated.

At the work place, in Colombia, it is perfectly legal to put in a want ad where you say that you want skinny, attractive women under age 25 and have them attach a photo to their resume. Hell, if you even said part of the job is banging you the boss, I don't think that many women would reject the offer unless they were taken. It is legal to bang your employees in Colombia.

Thing is I get it. We all have been conditioned to treat women the Western way. You approach a woman the wrong way in the USA, she can put you on blast and ruin your reputation. It was almost a game in the Northern USA to see which sex could dump the best on the other. In contrast, do you know what the title was of Shakira's recent concert tour after she broke up with the father of her kids? Real women do not cry. They earn.

The real issue is men target the wrong Colombian women. Hookers and blue collar women are too short term oriented to understand a mutualistic relationship. It is the ones you think would not be open to an arrangement that are the prizes: the hot dentist, the lawyer with the low cut blouse, the medical student in her tight scrubs. If they are not taken, IMO most are open to an arrangement where you get to keep your sexual freedom and who have no expectations outside of being glad to see you when you are around.

Looking back at things, there were very few times I proposed an arrangement to a woman out in the wild and she turned it down, and I should have done it more than I did. I vastly underestimated how many of these stunning women are dead ass broke.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3073815]2. Immigration does not care about any of us who are not flagged on sex offender or Interpol lists and are able to logically respond to routine questions without weirding out the agent.[/QUOTE]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3073839]If I would have gone to Colombia within the first year of mongering I would be dead. Glad I tried other spots first to get a feel for how the game goes.[/QUOTE]I went to Colombia for the first time in 1977 when I was 20 and my tour guide took me in the jungle in Iquitos to this little clearing with four like cabin type bars. I picked out a chica and she led me by a shelf where she picked up a blanket and a pillow. I was thinking we would then go to a room but was wondering logistically where those rooms could be. Then we went out the back door into the weeds and she threw down the blanket and pillow and we fucked right there in the aire libre. However and importantly, I had been fucking dominicana and boricua hookers in the NYC areas since I was fifteen so I was able to take it in stride.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3073849]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.[/QUOTE]I have dad dozens of trips to Colombia over the past 3 years and to no other country. However, I went to Tijuana a few weeks ago with friends and I got flagged when I tried to return. I told them I had Global Entry and and have been traveling for years. They said land entry was different. I went to a secondary office and they went through my things. I did not have a bag only a crossbody wallet.

When I was cleared I got a dirty look or mean mugged by one of the officers. What a bunch of assholes!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3073815] Immigration does not care about any of us who are not flagged on sex offender or Interpol lists and are able to logically respond to routine questions without weirding out the agent.[/QUOTE]Those things would be checked more highly when coming into the country, not out. They want you caught ASAP. On the way out would most likely be drugs. It is ok for their country to bring tons of drugs into the USA but not for others to do the same.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3073849]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.[/QUOTE]You could have possibly been flagged by the ticket agent (unlikely but don't rule it out) or anyone along the line going in. Most likely you were flagged coming in to the country by immigration. They saw something about you and flagged you to be checked on your way out. If you match a stereotype: black, wear pants down you ass, man-bun, dreadlocks, hiphop clothing (bob Marley shirt especially), tattoos, piercings, bling bling, or you act scared / nervous when dealing with immigration.

Sometimes you just get the overzealous asshole agent. Was this through Florida or Miami? I always get shit there for some reason. I have a bullshit arrest over a decade ago but no conviction. Still got global entry.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3073849]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3073815]1. Immigration does not care about any of us who are not flagged on sex offender or Interpol lists and are able to logically respond to routine questions without weirding out the agent.[/QUOTE]I do not provide this information to scare anyone or to seek sympathy. Rather, I want to give the board and its members the necessary context to make clear-cut decisions.

​Many people believe that you can only get into trouble in Colombia over drugs or issues involving underage girls, but that is simply not the case. The importation of electronic devices in quantities that either Colombia or the United States deems "excessive" can trigger incredibly serious problems. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would wind up in a federal courthouse simply for bringing in electronics.

​My reason for sharing this is to ensure the board is aware that the risks extend far beyond the obvious issues. Simple importation of electronic devices can land you in a situation so severe that you might actually find yourself wishing it had been drugs instead, because you will be trapped in the exact same criminal justice system—and they will make a massive case out of it.

​Furthermore, you need to be cautious regarding the women in the WhatsApp groups. The USA Government will bring these individuals to the United States to testify, especially if they possess photos of you and can readily identify you. My advice is to frequently rotate the women you see; do not meet with the same person more than once or twice. Even if you like her, if she is a working girl, that dynamic alone provides enough leverage for her to betray you and testify that you traveled to the country for illegal purposes.

​Do not take the risk. I am telling you this from personal experience, not from something I read. This is exactly how the USA And Colombian governments operate if you end up on their radar for anything—even something as simple as importing electronic devices. Stay Vigilant. PN!

So guys should not travel with laptops or phones, or are you referring to unusual quantities or types of electronics?

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3073932]I do not provide this information to scare anyone or to seek sympathy. Rather, I want to give the board and its members the necessary context to make clear-cut decisions.

​Many people believe that you can only get into trouble in Colombia over drugs or issues involving underage girls, but that is simply not the case. The importation of electronic devices in quantities that either Colombia or the United States deems "excessive" can trigger incredibly serious problems. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would wind up in a federal courthouse simply for bringing in electronics.

​My reason for sharing this is to ensure the board is aware that the risks extend far beyond the obvious issues. Simple importation of electronic devices can land you in a situation so severe that you might actually find yourself wishing it had been drugs instead, because you will be trapped in the exact same criminal justice systemand they will make a massive case out of it.[/QUOTE]

I think you can use the Global Entry card for land entry with your passport.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3073870]I have dad dozens of trips to Colombia over the past 3 years and to no other country. However, I went to Tijuana a few weeks ago with friends and I got flagged when I tried to return. I told them I had Global Entry and and have been traveling for years. They said land entry was different. I went to a secondary office and they went through my things. I did not have a bag only a crossbody wallet.

When I was cleared I got a dirty look or mean mugged by one of the officers. What a bunch of assholes![/QUOTE]

I was referring to Colombia immigration. Citizens can't be denied entry to the US but of course you can be investigated and prosecuted for any crimes.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;3073849]That's not entirely true. I am not on any sex offender list nor Interpol lists. The last two times I have returned to the US from Colombia, I have been flagged in the system for extra screening. That is done before I even get to an agent, so questions and answers are irrrelevant. The first time, I was told it was because I make frequent trips to Colombia. The last time, they said because they are looking closer at the safety of Colombia. I doubt the agents at the airport know why. Since the system instructs them to do extra screening, that's what they have to do. After the first time, they revoked my Global Entry, reason "You don't meet program eligible requirements". I had met those requirements for 14 years, and I haven't had any encounters with any law enforcement authorities, nor imported any prohibited items. I haven't encountered any problem entering Colombia. That's the reason I can say fairly confidently that I'm not on any lists.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;3073975]So guys should not travel with laptops or phones, or are you referring to unusual quantities or types of electronics?[/QUOTE]Personally, based on my experience, I wouldn't travel with more than three cell phones, one laptop, and one or two tablets. Exceeding that limit could signal to the Colombian government that you are attempting to start a business. PN!

Honestly, I cannot tell you how many times I have met with different girls throughout Colombia and traded electronic devices for favors. I had no idea that bringing cell phones, tablets, or laptops into Colombia would trigger an international investigation. But yes, anything they deem excessive could be seen as an attempt to start an unlicensed business within their country, which can cause all kinds of regulatory repercussions.

​What I'm saying is that, at one point, I could barter a cell phone or tablet in Medellin for almost anything I needed. Back then, they were as valuable as gold. If you had iPhones or Samsung Galaxies, you were holding pure gold. I'm pretty sure by this point the Colombian government was well aware of the value of these devices. That's likely one of the reasons they make it extremely difficult for ordinary Colombians to obtain high-end electronics, and why they make a point of prosecuting you if you're caught with an excessive amount. Stay Vigilant! PN!

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3073819]Thanks for your input, Trip! I don't have a girlfriend in Medellin, it's more of a sugar-baby arrangement with a chica who really blurs the lines. while potentially being more sincere and natural, and less expensive, than being with Pros..[/QUOTE]This is why I love the place. Everyone can find some arrangements they like.

I maintained a 2 year detailed daily ledger comparing my peso burn rates when pursuing.

"non-pro" Colombianas versus other gray-area options and chicas of various perceived levels of promiscuity.

Savings Rate: Achieved only 2030% savings at best, and this was sustainable for just a few months.

Their attitude changes when they figure out there's no foreign visa or house on the hill in it for them.

[QUOTE=AlexDeuce;3073291]That has to be a currency miscommunication as go to the back is exactly 500.000 pesos $140, the girl gets 350.000 pesos $100, and the cashier takes the payment and remits to the girl or her house bank. If true $500 they got collided upon and jacked.[/QUOTE]I think it was the freelancers that got them for $500, not the chicks in Fase 2.

[QUOTE=ToastMonger269;3073891]Sometimes you just get the overzealous asshole agent. Was this through Florida or Miami? I always get shit there for some reason. I have a bullshit arrest over a decade ago but no conviction. Still got global entry.[/QUOTE]It was in Orlando. As I said, I don't think the agents control who gets selected. The first time, I went to the Global Entry kiosh and it never turned green. It instructed me to see an agent for assistance. The second time, the agent asked the normal questions, where was I coming from, how long had I been there, and what was the purpose. Then he looked at his screen for longer than usual, wrote down a number, and passed my passport to another agent who told me to follow him.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3074008]Honestly, I cannot tell you how many times I have met with different girls throughout Colombia and traded electronic devices for favors. I had no idea that bringing cell phones, tablets, or laptops into Colombia would trigger an international investigation.[/QUOTE]Well for one, if you did not declare it and pay duty on it, then it is called smuggling.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3073819]Thanks for your input, Trip! I don't have a girlfriend in Medellin, it's more of a sugar-baby arrangement with a chica who really blurs the lines. I know it's conditional, and I know it's temporary.

Regarding the mongering style I want, yes, I love GFE. And extended GFE even better with the right chicas I click with and trust enough. That's why I have asked a lot of questions about Semi-Pros, since that sounds to me like an extended GFE, while potentially being more sincere and natural, and less expensive, than being with Pros. And yes, I also want to run through as many different attractive women as I can, because I also love variety. It's not that I haven't been getting what I want so far from the places I have been, I just want to keep exploring and having new experiences in different places with different types of women.

Maybe it's the thinking-out-loud way that I write, or the kind of questions that I ask, that make me sound more naive than I actually am. Yes, I am relatively new to mongering, and I know I have a lot to learn about that. That's one of the reasons why I write my reports here, as a way to process my experiences and learn from them. And receiving feedback on my reports, on both the good and the bad, helps me learn too. I also post my reports because I want to pay my dues here, by providing real boots on the ground information and honest experiences that can hopefully benefit others too.

But I actually have a ton of experience and knowledge when it comes to traveling and women in general. I have been with many Non-Pros while traveling and living in various countries around the world, picking them up, seducing them, having sex, relationships. And I've been with many American women and foreign women living in the US. And then a long, toxic, and mostly sexless marriage took me out of the game for a long time, and really fucked with my self confidence.

After my divorce a few years ago, I came to Colombia to spend time with some people I know here. That's when I began mongering for the first time, because I wanted to start having sex again with the least amount of friction, and I wanted to try to fuck all those years of a terrible relationship out of my system. Since then, I have come to appreciate mongering as a shortcut to getting sex, with the quantity and variety of women that I want. I can picture myself continuing to pay4 play for the easy and on-demand nature of it, while also balancing that out with real relationships with normal women.

Regarding some of the cities you mentioned, yes, I have been to Rio and loved it (as well as Salvador Bahia). I haven't mongered in Brazil yet, since every time I have been there, I have always found Non-Pros who wanted to fuck me and date me for free, even when there for only a few days. But because guys speak so highly of it, I would totally try out mongering in Rio, and maybe check out Sao Paulo, too. The way you describe Nairobi, I think I should definitely check it out. When I set my Tinder location to Nairobi out of curiosity, I got an insane number of matches very quickly. Thailand is a country I have always wanted to go to for many reasons. Probably would have been better to go 20 years ago or so when I first got the desire, but better late than never. I haven't been to Cali yet, but I have talked with a number of Colombians who think that Cali has the most beautiful women, even though Paisas are more famous for their beauty.

Anyway, perhaps this bit of information about myself helps make more sense of my mindset and my posts. As always, I appreciate the critiques and advice.[/QUOTE] I only based my opinion off what you said on here previously. Technically we're alike, I even see where you're going condom optional. With time you'll be writing reports of you giving girls a protein injection with your Yogurt Gun. As I said before No matter where you go there you are so it kinda doesn't matter where go ; women are women everywhere.

But if I'm acting as your Sage of Snatch or Guru of Gash I would say that again the Problem of Nairobi won't be getting extended GFE it will be getting them to leave. Santo Domingo is the best Place for me in regards to semi and no pro (if you accept those terms) simply because of my food court floozies in SD. The one place it was hard to pick up was actual salesgirl slit in Nai, but other than that Kenya is the same in almost every way except so called Non Pros in SD are way more savvy than Non Pros in Nairobi.

So if you have a hankering to go and you felt you needed my recommendation I would say go and stay in Parklands witch is kind of the Zona Colonial of Kenya.

Same thing with Cali; I concur on the beauty of the women, they look more like Dominicans but they dress better and wear hair and make up better because of the better education and economy. It's a little harder to run through semi pros and no Parque Llreas but less expensive for everything from food and lodging and of course Pussy just hearing the prices paid in Meddy makes me not want to go even though I prefer the weather there. Much less likelyhood of being scoped in Cali and the main stamp of approval is despite living in Nai, SD, and extensive visits to Meddy Cali won out as the place I planted my flag.

Again if you love Meddy and SD just go there there's more than enough chicks but if you're trying to go around the world being a Johnny Appleseed of Ass then feel free to follow my well worn trick trail.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3074123]Well for one, if you did not declare it and pay duty on it, then it is called smuggling.[/QUOTE]That may be their interpretation, but throughout my history of traveling, I have never declared the personal cell phones in my possession, despite consistently carrying three to four devices. If failing to declare these phones moving forward is considered smuggling, it is worth noting that I have never previously faced scrutiny regarding them. The allegations of international importation involve an accumulation of items over time, which demonstrates that these electronic devices were acquired from me over an extended period. PN!

Returning to Medellin after a three-year break. I have been told you are given a citation of some sort if the police see you talking with a girl in Parque Lleras. Is this true? If so, how do you meet women in Parque Lleras now.

Hello all.

I'm well experienced with Medellíand, apart from one thing; massage parlours.

Does anyone have any good recommendations for good massage parlours that also provides happy endings and / or sex as well?

Thanks all.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;3074166]Returning to Medellin after a three-year break. I have been told you are given a citation of some sort if the police see you talking with a girl in Parque Lleras. Is this true? If so, how do you meet women in Parque Lleras now.[/QUOTE]We just left in June and picked up several ladies with absolutely no problem at all. Never asked any questions. We did see police ask to see IDs though several times when guys were speaking to the girls. One of the ladies we met and had a great experience with told us they are checking IDs due to people picking up underage girls. Not sure if that's true but that's what she told us. Didn't see anyone get a ticket. They all showed their Ids and moved along. Who knows maybe we were lucky but that was our experience.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;3074166]Returning to Medellin after a three-year break. I have been told you are given a citation of some sort if the police see you talking with a girl in Parque Lleras. Is this true? If so, how do you meet women in Parque Lleras now.[/QUOTE]

Over the years, I've continued to venture to Parque Lleras from time to time, usually just to collect WhatsApp numbers for later follow-up. When a chica attracts my attention I invite her to follow me to sit down inside the park, well away from anyone else, to have a brief, relaxed private conversation before exchanging contact info--or on occasion inviting her home that night. They almost always readily agree to take the time for this chat. Highly recommended, especially if security personnel hovering about on the street where the ladies hang out.

If the chica is too impatient to have this private chat, then we just exchange WhatsApp immediately. Using QR codes this can be done in just a few seconds.

The one time I got careless, lingered too long on the street itself talking to a chica and didn't notice a cop nearby, who then did ask for my ID, he got bored when I pretended to not understand his questions and quickly gave up and walked away.

There are also several clubs at the bottom end of the park (Glow, Black Diamond etc) that have a small or no cover charge and usually have a good number of independent working girls inside (often a quite favorable ratio of gals to guys) at least between 11 pm and midnight. Probably much livelier later at night (Thursday to Saturday), but past my bedtime. I've only sessioned with a couple of chicas from these clubs, but my sense is that their price expectations are below those of the ladies in Gustos, the better known (and higher-end) Parque Lleras take-out club (also with a somewhat higher cover charge as well). It's been several years since I bothered checking Gustos out.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3074161]That may be their interpretation, but throughout my history of traveling, I have never declared the personal cell phones in my possession, despite consistently carrying three to [b]four devices[/b].[/QUOTE]There is your problem. You can only bring 3 into Colombia! Surprised your lawyer did not go over that with you.

Right you are. The rule is you have to declare any devices beyond the personal allowance. Devices beyond the personal allowance are subject to commercial duties. On another note, you have to expect raised eyebrows at immigration and customs if you are going to travel with a Jason Bourne starter pack.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3074201]There is your problem. You can only bring 3 into Colombia! Surprised your lawyer did not go over that with you.[/QUOTE]

Something I suspect we are all aware of to a certain extent that can't be accounted for on a spreadsheet is the time and mental energy so called non-pro pursuit demands. It's a balancing act in the end. Maintaining longer term relationships has it advantages but it also has its cost. When I feel the balance shift toward more squeeze than lemon I pull back and take a break with hit and forget hookups. Everybody has their preferences. I find myself veering back to my regulars before long.

[QUOTE=SuperSaint;3074009]This is why I love the place. Everyone can find some arrangements they like.

I maintained a 2 year detailed daily ledger comparing my peso burn rates when pursuing.

"non-pro" Colombianas versus other gray-area options and chicas of various perceived levels of promiscuity.

Savings Rate: Achieved only 2030% savings at best, and this was sustainable for just a few months.

Their attitude changes when they figure out there's no foreign visa or house on the hill in it for them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;3074182]Hello all.

I'm well experienced with Medelland, apart from one thing; massage parlours.

Does anyone have any good recommendations for good massage parlours that also provides happy endings and / or sex as well?

Thanks all.[/QUOTE]I tried it, with happy ending only. Will not recommend it, very mediocre massage. Some girls also offer message with FS in your rooms so I thing that is better option.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3074201]There is your problem. You can only bring 3 into Colombia! Surprised your lawyer did not go over that with you.[/QUOTE]That was the problem by the time I found out that you could only bring three phones and to Colombia I was already in a lawyer's office. Lesson learned! PN!

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;3074182]
I'm well experienced with Medelland, apart from one thing; massage parlours.
Does anyone have any good recommendations for good massage parlours that also provides happy endings and / or sex as well?
[/QUOTE]What's been your experience with this at the casas? At the casas / spas in Bogota, I find that the chicas usually give decent massages, and sometimes even great massages (included in the service price along with the sex).

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3074226]That was the problem by the time I found out that you could only bring three phones and to Colombia I was already in a lawyer's office. Lesson learned! PN![/QUOTE]Always check the Customs laws when bringing shit into a country. I was about to bring an office chair to my place in Thailand until I saw the duty was $400, when the chair only cost $200. I think it was last year a guy in the Rio thread said he brought an iphone for a chick and did not declare it. With the duty and the fine, he was out of $1200 (who knows the price of the phone). Probably the most expensive phone he will every buy. Much easier to deal with these chicks in cash instead of bringing everything under the sun.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;3074182]Hello all.

I'm well experienced with Medelland, apart from one thing; massage parlours.

Does anyone have any good recommendations for good massage parlours that also provides happy endings and / or sex as well?

Thanks all.[/QUOTE]I know of 2. One is energy spa in medellin. I only have been there once or twice and I don't like massages so I didn't opt for one, but they will do them. Now I don't know if the quality is good or not.

Other spot. Private message me as I haven't been there yet and there are 1 or 2 more I can find out for you but just PM me and let me know you want them and I will give them.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;3074182]Hello all. I'm well experienced with Medelland, apart from one thing; massage parlours. Does anyone have any good recommendations for good massage parlours that also provides happy endings and / or sex as well? Thanks all.[/QUOTE]

Here are the names of four spas that specialize in Latina adaptations of Asiatic-style, tantric / nuru / kundalini massages, with links to their websites (that include details on services, prices, and photos of the "terapuetas" (therapists).

1. BENDITO MASAJE (in Santa Teresita, a few minutes west of Laureles): [URL]https://benditomasaje.com/servicios/[/URL].

2. HAPPY MASAJES (in Laureles): [URL]https://happymasajes.com/[/URL].

3. OASIS MASSEIN (in Laureles) :[URL]https://oasismassein.com/[/URL]#nosotros.

4. MANDARE SPA (in both Poblado and Laureles): [URL]https://www.masajesmandalay.com/[/URL].

An up-front advisory. These places will only appeal to those who really value massages for themselves and exquisitely orchestrated happy endings and are not super cost-conscious. They are on the pricey side for me, but I have indulged at three of them on a few (rare) occasions-- and I find them to offer a refreshing change of pace from my usual rotation of chicas recruited from facebook, Parque Lleras, casas, and night clubs (from Fase Dos down to Barra Ejecutiva / Conejitos).

Sessions usually begin with a combination of a therapeutic / sensual massage using aromatic oil. At Bendito the chica heated the oil as well. The masseuse then lubricates her entire body for a full body-to-body massage, first sliding up and down your back and tracing arabesque patterns with her nipples. Then she has one flip over for a face-to-face body-on-body massage, building up to an intense happy ending, hand-job.

I found that each chica has a unique, super arousing way of actually massaging one's penis when compared with the conventional hand-job techniques employed by most all P4 P girls.

Full service is generally on the menu for an add-on, but for me the talented hand-jobs are part of what makes the experience unique. I found the nuru-style experience worth the price but it still doesn't compare to the quality of service at a New York City Asian massage parlor specializing in nuru-style service or, I imagine, what one would routinely find in south-east asia. (Haven't been there since 1973!

The websites actually describe some variations in the types of sensual massages on offer.

All four of the spas extend the option of "servicio domicilio" in your apartment or hotel (as I recall for an extra 50 thousand)but their facilities are generally located in a nice building / neighborhood and they try to create a little asian atmosphere (candles, incense, mood lighting--with mixed results but pleasant enough).

The girls themselves are (predictably) not as hot as their on-line photos. Mandare Spa sent me short videos of my preferred chicas which were more realistic.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;3074166]Returning to Medellin after a three-year break. I have been told you are given a citation of some sort if the police see you talking with a girl in Parque Lleras. Is this true? If so, how do you meet women in Parque Lleras now.[/QUOTE]I stayed near Parque Lleras for a few days in early June. My experience was that if the police see you and a woman taking for more than a brief while, they would walk up and ask the two of you to move along. One time I was walking a woman back to my AirBnB and police officers asked each of us for an ID. This was not problem because we were both of legal age. But still, they spent a few minutes talking to the woman in Spanish (I couldn't understand), then allowed us to move along. My sense is that they are trying to keep underage girls out of the area by checking IDs.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;3074166]Returning to Medellin after a three-year break. I have been told you are given a citation of some sort if the police see you talking with a girl in Parque Lleras. Is this true? If so, how do you meet women in Parque Lleras now.[/QUOTE]You literally have to just have your what's app scanner ready. Walk up to a girl and she'll already know to pull up her code. Literally don't even have to say anything to her LOL.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3071932]
It's easy to screen Tinder girls you ask for their number. If they include their country code you know they have some discussions with foreigners. I get them to state how much they want. If they talk about dollars instead of pesos that is not a good sign.
[/QUOTE]Earlier this year, I had a couple of chicas quote me in dollars, usually $100, sometimes more. But with how shitty the US dollar has been doing this year, $100 is actually a discount, LOL.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3071932]
I have about 8 to 10 girls that I rotate and it's pure GFE and MSOG and no time limits. I don't want toda la noche. It's not necessary but I don't like to feel that someone wants to get out fast. I get a nice Airbnb that has a separate bathroom with a shower and fragrant soap.
I pay between 200-400 k pesos not including Uber both ways that I always pay. There are a few Tinder girls with Instagram that I pay more. I love Tinder.[/QUOTE]With chicas from Tinder in Medellin, I've been paying between 300-450 k pesos, usually 400 k, and for that I get 2 hours, 2 polvos, and BBBJ (and occasionally BBFS). For me, 2 hours is a good amount of time for me to relax and enjoy it, and enjoy receiving / giving a massage and talking with the chica between rounds if she has a good personality. It's also enough time to allow me to go for a 2nd polvo / pop without feeling rushed or putting pressure on myself to get hard again within 1 hour.

Like you, I have also been loving Tinder for its convenience and supply. I've gotten to the point where I can pretty easily spot the chicas who are obviously pay-4-play based on what they put in their profile or how the initial chat goes, especially if they are in the Short-Term-Fun / Nada-Serio section. However, those chicas are obvious pros, and they charge pro prices.

What is your method for finding and screening the chicas on Tinder who give you no time limits for 200-400 k pesos?
Are they semi-pros / civilians? Are you avoiding the ones who are obvious pros?
Are you looking in specific sections? (I usually match with the ones who Like me first, but when I search I usually do it in the Short-Term-Fun and Free-Tonight sections)
If they seem like civilian / normal women, how are you detecting if they are looking for / willing to do pay-for-play, and that they care less about rules and are okay with receiving less money?
Or are you simply screening so many different women on Tinder, that you eventually find a few who will give you no time limit GFE for way under 400 k?

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3074519]Earlier this year, I had a couple of chicas quote me in dollars, usually $100, sometimes more. But with how shitty the US dollar has been doing this year, $100 is actually a discount, LOL.

With chicas from Tinder in Medellin, I've been paying between 300-450 k pesos, usually 400 k, and for that I get 2 hours, 2 polvos, and BBBJ (and occasionally BBFS). For me, 2 hours is a good amount of time for me to relax and enjoy it, and enjoy receiving / giving a massage and talking with the chica between rounds if she has a good personality. It's also enough time to allow me to go for a 2nd polvo / pop without feeling rushed or putting pressure on myself to get hard again within 1 hour.[/QUOTE]The issue of time is important for me not that need 3 hours or anything like that. I want them feel like they want to be there. I don't do toda la noche. I pay them to leave. I would say that most of the girls that see are from. Tinder. I have a few from Seeking and one who used to work in El Centro.

The girls who will stay the longest for me are ones that I pay the least. I have Tinder girl who looks like a plain Jane but has the sexy body and lets me come her pussy. I like get her on a weekend day because she likes to suck on my cock for extended periods of time and lets me record it.

In my opinion the best girls are the ones who have jobs. They won't bug you all the time for money and are busy at work. For those girls 200 k-300 k is far more than they can make in a day of work and they are more appreciative. That is not say that I don't pay more for other girls. I love to fuck wannabe models who let me record them and I go bare with all of them. I also love fuck a few Tinder girls who have Instagram.

I always negotiate but I can afford to pay pretty much anything. I haven't been to Colombia in a few months so my perspective on the women there is higher because of the entitled rude American girls who want to get paid to eat.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3074226]That was the problem by the time I found out that you could only bring three phones and to Colombia I was already in a lawyer's office. Lesson learned! PN![/QUOTE]Why are you bringing in large amounts of phones in the first place?

[QUOTE=IamLookin;3074542]Why are you bringing in large amounts of phones in the first place?[/QUOTE]After thinking about what Mr. Enternational said, I realized that I actually declared every phone I ever brought into Colombia. I had the receipts and documentation—everything I needed to bring them in legally and without any problems. PN!

​As I mentioned before, it was an error on my part to trade phones for favors from girls I met. If it was cheaper for me to use my electronic devices instead of spending actual cash, and a person wanted a phone, I would give them one if that is what they asked for. I didn't know that bringing different devices into the country would lead to any kind of international complications, especially since I had every single phone documented and never brought in more than $1,000 worth of phones at a single time.

​Instead, it was the accumulation over time that caught up with me. They were tracking me and going through my luggage, documenting how many phones I brought over a three-to-five-year period. It wasn't a situation where they caught me with a large stash of phones and I was arrested, apprehended, or fined. It was simply customs and airport immigration going through my luggage and logging the total number over time. It was a mistake on my part, but I learned my lesson. From this point forward, regardless of what certain laws say, I know not to travel with more than three phones at a time.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3074377]Here are the names of four spas that specialize in Latina adaptations of Asiatic-style, tantric / nuru / kundalini massages, with links to their websites (that include details on services, prices, and photos of the "terapuetas" (therapists).

1. BENDITO MASAJE (in Santa Teresita, a few minutes west of Laureles): [URL]https://benditomasaje.com/servicios/[/URL].

2. HAPPY MASAJES (in Laureles): [URL]https://happymasajes.com/[/URL].

3. OASIS MASSEIN (in Laureles) :[URL]https://oasismassein.com/[/URL]#nosotros.

4. MANDARE SPA (in both Poblado and Laureles): [URL]https://www.masajesmandalay.com/[/URL].

An up-front advisory. These places will only appeal to those who really value massages for themselves and exquisitely orchestrated happy endings and are not super cost-conscious. They are on the pricey side for me, but I have indulged at three of them on a few (rare) occasions-- and I find them to offer a refreshing change of pace from my usual rotation of chicas recruited from facebook, Parque Lleras, casas, and night clubs (from Fase Dos down to Barra Ejecutiva / Conejitos).

Sessions usually begin with a combination of a therapeutic / sensual massage using aromatic oil. At Bendito the chica heated the oil as well. The masseuse then lubricates her entire body for a full body-to-body massage, first sliding up and down your back and tracing arabesque patterns with her nipples. Then she has one flip over for a face-to-face body-on-body massage, building up to an intense happy ending, hand-job.

I found that each chica has a unique, super arousing way of actually massaging one's penis when compared with the conventional hand-job techniques employed by most all P4 P girls.

Full service is generally on the menu for an add-on, but for me the talented hand-jobs are part of what makes the experience unique. I found the nuru-style experience worth the price but it still doesn't compare to the quality of service at a New York City Asian massage parlor specializing in nuru-style service or, I imagine, what one would routinely find in south-east asia. (Haven't been there since 1973!

The websites actually describe some variations in the types of sensual massages on offer.

All four of the spas extend the option of "servicio domicilio" in your apartment or hotel (as I recall for an extra 50 thousand)but their facilities are generally located in a nice building / neighborhood and they try to create a little asian atmosphere (candles, incense, mood lighting--with mixed results but pleasant enough).

The girls themselves are (predictably) not as hot as their on-line photos. Mandare Spa sent me short videos of my preferred chicas which were more realistic.[/QUOTE]Thanks for replying with these recommendations.

I'm back in Medellin for two weeks in total. I'd like to try out a couple of massage places. I know that they won't be as good as Vietnam (I was there in June) but I do like proper massages and full on Nuri body to body.

Aside from this, I've lined up plenty of girls for the time I'm there, all bareback and happy for creampies which is a huge bonus.

I've not ventured out much to Parque Lleras to pick up girls, but I quite like exploring and picking up a young lady. Nicer than Santa Fe in Bogotá, obviously! So I'll be exploring Parque Lleras a few times I think.

[QUOTE=ChicoBonito;3074333]What's been your experience with this at the casas? At the casas / spas in Bogota, I find that the chicas usually give decent massages, and sometimes even great massages (included in the service price along with the sex).[/QUOTE]I've actually not been to a casa in Medellin yet. I tend to get girls via Instagram and built a good contact network over the years. It helps that I speak Spanish.

I wouldn't mind trying out a casa though, as well as reacquainting myself with Parque Lleras.

After running into a few minor bumps, one thing I can tell you about people is that you can find out everything you need to know about someone if you're able to read between the lines.

It was an error on my part to bring electronic devices into the country. I had no idea that they were tracking my movements through TSA and immigration, even though I legally documented every device I ever brought in. According to federal documents, I had accumulated a large number of devices over a three-to-five-year period. I had no idea this would lead to a federal criminal complaint, which would also lead to a federal criminal charge of illegal international importation.

Luckily, I had the financial means to afford a very good attorney. He worked through the situation, and everything ultimately worked out in my favor. My passport and my finances were returned. While I had to deal with a three-year delay in my ability to travel, it was a lesson learned. IYKTYK! PN!

[QUOTE=ZofoMofo;3074477]I stayed near Parque Lleras for a few days in early June. My experience was that if the police see you and a woman taking for more than a brief while, they would walk up and ask the two of you to move along. One time I was walking a woman back to my AirBnB and police officers asked each of us for an ID. This was not problem because we were both of legal age. But still, they spent a few minutes talking to the woman in Spanish (I couldn't understand), then allowed us to move along. My sense is that they are trying to keep underage girls out of the area by checking IDs.[/QUOTE]Be careful when they scan or take your ID and record the info, it goes into a database.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;3074542]Why are you bringing in large amounts of phones in the first place?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3074008]Honestly, I cannot tell you how many times I have met with different girls throughout Colombia and traded electronic .What I'm saying is that, at one point, I could barter a cell phone or tablet in Medellin for almost anything I needed. Back then, they were as valuable as gold. If you had iPhones or Samsung Galaxies,[/QUOTE]Hopefully this explains why I had electronics in the first place! Stay vigilant! PN!

That is a nightmare scenario.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3074554]After running into a few minor bumps, one thing I can tell you about people is that you can find out everything you need to know about someone if you're able to read between the lines.

It was an error on my part to bring electronic devices into the country. I had no idea that they were tracking my movements through TSA and immigration, even though I legally documented every device I ever brought in. According to federal documents, I had accumulated a large number of devices over a three-to-five-year period. I had no idea this would lead to a federal criminal complaint, which would also lead to a federal criminal charge of illegal international importation.

Luckily, I had the financial means to afford a very good attorney. He worked through the situation, and everything ultimately worked out in my favor. My passport and my finances were returned. While I had to deal with a three-year delay in my ability to travel, it was a lesson learned. IYKTYK! PN![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3074601]Be careful when they scan or take your ID and record the info, it goes into a database.[/QUOTE]

Like some others, I've been away from Medellin for more than 1 1/2 years, slowing down right as its popularity was crescendoing. At that last visit to Medellin, I had went to the park and the entry points had gate erected (like that for a good 6+months), but the security staff checked women only. And seemed to only look at the ID, not scan it.

Starting to read up on the city and places of interest and heard the police are scanning IDs for Parque Lleras and entering them into a national data base? Is this anyone's experience? From Degenerate's post, I interpret the scan as haphazard. And the post before makes it sound like it happens only when the police perceive there's business negotiations going on.

Is there a website or youtube page that discusses this "security" measure?

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3074554]After running into a few minor bumps, one thing I can tell you about people is that you can find out everything you need to know about someone if you're able to read between the lines.

It was an error on my part to bring electronic devices into the country. I had no idea that they were tracking my movements through TSA and immigration, even though I legally documented every device I ever brought in. According to federal documents, I had accumulated a large number of devices over a three-to-five-year period. I had no idea this would lead to a federal criminal complaint, which would also lead to a federal criminal charge of illegal international importation.

Luckily, I had the financial means to afford a very good attorney. He worked through the situation, and everything ultimately worked out in my favor. My passport and my finances were returned. While I had to deal with a three-year delay in my ability to travel, it was a lesson learned. IYKTYK! PN![/QUOTE]It could be argued that tracking your movement is the whole point of TSA and immigration, but I'm still a bit unclear as to what your electronic devices have to do with all this. Are you saying they tracked your electronic devices? How would they know what devices are yours or not? What is a large number of devices? Did they check your bags and find a large stash of devices? Are we talking 3 or 30? Theres a lot left unsaid.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;3074678]It could be argued that tracking your movement is the whole point of TSA and immigration, but I'm still a bit unclear as to what your electronic devices have to do with all this. Are you saying they tracked your electronic devices? How would they know what devices are yours or not? What is a large number of devices? Did they check your bags and find a large stash of devices? Are we talking 3 or 30? Theres a lot left unsaid.[/QUOTE]The first couple of times this happened, I didn't pay it any mind. However, things changed in 2022 when roles shifted and I was summoned to federal court. On four or five different occasions, my suitcases were opened, and a card was left inside stating that TSA frequently inspects luggage. My devices remained in the suitcase, along with the declaration page—which included all of my receipts for the cell phones and tablet.

​They allowed me to enter the country without any issues, a pattern that likely started in 2018. Back then, I never brought in more than $1,000 worth of phones. Looking back, they searched my suitcases three or four different times when I was carrying a significant number of cell phones. While it wasn't quite 30, it was definitely more than three. Once again, I will just say: lesson learned. PN!

Just like Mr. Enternational said, I should've checked the count limit on how many phones could be brought in. That was an error on my part, and it's the exact factor that put me between a rock and a hard place. Lesson learned. PN!

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3074344]I know of 2. One is energy spa in medellin. I only have been there once or twice and I don't like massages so I didn't opt for one, but they will do them. Now I don't know if the quality is good or not.

Other spot. Private message me as I haven't been there yet and there are 1 or 2 more I can find out for you but just PM me and let me know you want them and I will give them.[/QUOTE]I've had massages at Energy. I found the quality a little better than what hookers in other casas would give you but not as good as in an authentic massage parlor.

When I'm going to be out of the US more than a long weekend in Canada I always pack an old, spare cellphone. Personal electronics seem to be one thing that isn't cheaper in LATAM. This practice saved me a lot of hassle on a month trip to Mexico and Columbia when I dropped my phone and trashed the screen.

Usually I'm traveling with two phones, my work laptop and a little convertible chromebook for movies, etc. And no immigration officer has ever given me a second look.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;3074678]It could be argued that tracking your movement is the whole point of TSA and immigration, but I'm still a bit unclear as to what your electronic devices have to do with all this. Are you saying they tracked your electronic devices? How would they know what devices are yours or not? What is a large number of devices? Did they check your bags and find a large stash of devices? Are we talking 3 or 30? Theres a lot left unsaid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;3074552]I've not ventured out much to Parque Lleras to pick up girls, but I quite like exploring and picking up a young lady. Nicer than Santa Fe in Bogot, obviously! So I'll be exploring Parque Lleras a few times I think.[/QUOTE]Based on that, you want to check out Mandalay Spa down in Manila. It's an easy walk down and an easy walk back up.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;3074675]Like some others, I've been away from Medellin for more than 1 1/2 years, slowing down right as its popularity was crescendoing. At that last visit to Medellin, I had went to the park and the entry points had gate erected (like that for a good 6+months), but the security staff checked women only. And seemed to only look at the ID, not scan it.

Starting to read up on the city and places of interest and heard the police are scanning IDs for Parque Lleras and entering them into a national data base? Is this anyone's experience? From Degenerate's post, I interpret the scan as haphazard. And the post before makes it sound like it happens only when the police perceive there's business negotiations going on.

Is there a website or youtube page that discusses this "security" measure?[/QUOTE]It's been discussed here many times previously. The occasional checks they perform are just to look for underage or undocumented girls to prevent them from entering the park area. When they check a tourist's ID, which they are free to do at any time, they are simply looking to see if the person has overstayed their visa or has any outstanding warrants. This information pops up on their portable system instantly. If they do not carry a portable system, they just check it for any obvious issues. Otherwise, they don't care. By entering the country, your passport is already in their database, so they aren't adding any new information.

Their instructions are simply to keep people moving to cut down on negotiations in the middle of the park, which they view as both a source of trouble and an image problem. If you are interested in talking with someone, just invite her for a drink at one of the nearby open bars so you can talk over a beer.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3074680]The first couple of times this happened, I didn't pay it any mind. However, things changed in 2022 when roles shifted and I was summoned to federal court. On four or five different occasions, my suitcases were opened, and a card was left inside stating that TSA frequently inspects luggage. My devices remained in the suitcase, along with the declaration pagewhich included all of my receipts for the cell phones and tablet.

​They allowed me to enter the country without any issues, a pattern that likely started in 2018. Back then, I never brought in more than $1,000 worth of phones. Looking back, they searched my suitcases three or four different times when I was carrying a significant number of cell phones. While it wasn't quite 30, it was definitely more than three. Once again, I will just say: lesson learned. PN![/QUOTE]The part I was missing was that you were checking in cellphones into your checked luggage. So they were probably seeing them when they scanned them. I usually don't put anything of value in my checked luggage.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;3074675]Like some others, I've been away from Medellin for more than 1 1/2 years, slowing down right as its popularity was crescendoing. At that last visit to Medellin, I had went to the park and the entry points had gate erected (like that for a good 6+months), but the security staff checked women only. And seemed to only look at the ID, not scan it.

Starting to read up on the city and places of interest and heard the police are scanning IDs for Parque Lleras and entering them into a national data base? Is this anyone's experience? From Degenerate's post, I interpret the scan as haphazard. And the post before makes it sound like it happens only when the police perceive there's business negotiations going on.

Is there a website or youtube page that discusses this "security" measure?[/QUOTE]Some of you spend no time researching the country you are going to. Please find: [URL]https://www.financecolombia.com/medellin-authorities-cracking-down-on-parque-lleras-vice/[/URL]

[QUOTE=AlexDeuce;3074743]Some of you spend no time researching the country you are going to. Please find: [URL]https://www.financecolombia.com/medellin-authorities-cracking-down-on-parque-lleras-vice/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you for a year old news link. Anything current, smart researcher?

How many celll phones were there? And was this a common occurrence? Were they in boxes? I bring a laptop, cellphone and my amazon fire tablet without any issue.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;3074713]The part I was missing was that you were checking in cellphones into your checked luggage. So they were probably seeing them when they scanned them. I usually don't put anything of value in my checked luggage.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;3075034]How many celll phones were there? And was this a common occurrence? Were they in boxes? I bring a laptop, cellphone and my amazon fire tablet without any issue.[/QUOTE]It was more than three phones and yes they were in their original boxes along with the IEM numbers. All phones and tablets were documented as requested and none of the phones came to a value of more than 1,000 US dollars. PN!

[QUOTE=IamLookin;3074542]Why are you bringing in large amounts of phones in the first place?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IamLookin;3075034]How many celll phones were there? And was this a common occurrence? Were they in boxes? I bring a laptop, cellphone and my amazon fire tablet without any issue.[/QUOTE]Clearly, you are misinterpreting what I wrote on the board. I told you there were more than three telephones, and that I was using them as a barter system. For some reason, you aren't grasping that I brought in more than three phones to use this way.

​Let me break it down further so you can fully understand: For example, let's say I buy four phones in America for $100 and take them to Colombia. If I can barter just one of those phones for four dates with a girl, which do you think I would rather use—cash, or a $25 phone that gets me four different dates?

​This was one of the bartering systems I utilized during my travels in Colombia because I realized just how valuable cell phones are there. Do you understand now why I was bringing the phones in and how I was using them as a barter system? Is that clear enough?

Yes, I frequently imported electronic devices, a practice I began around 2018. At the time, I traveled with the necessary paperwork and declared them in my luggage. I used these devices—specifically cell phones and tablets—for bartering. Ultimately, this resulted in the loss of my passport and a federal court appearance.

​It was a difficult lesson learned, but the matter has since been fully resolved and my travel privileges have been restored. I hope this answers your questions. Furthermore, I hope this serves as a warning to others: do not attempt to bring more than three cell phones into Colombia. If customs or security screeners discover a large quantity of devices in your luggage, it can lead to severe repercussions, including federal criminal charges back in the United States. Stay Vigilant. PN!

And this led up to being summoned to Federal Court and having to hire an expensive lawyer?

What was you defense? You wanted to save a few dollars on hookers?


[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3075061]Clearly, you are misinterpreting what I wrote on the board. I told you there were more than three telephones, and that I was using them as a barter system. For some reason, you aren't grasping that I brought in more than three phones to use this way.

​Let me break it down further so you can fully understand: For example, let's say I buy four phones in America for $100 and take them to Colombia. If I can barter just one of those phones for four dates with a girl, which do you think I would rather usecash, or a $25 phone that gets me four different dates?

​This was one of the bartering systems I utilized during my travels in Colombia because I realized just how valuable cell phones are there. Do you understand now why I was bringing the phones in and how I was using them as a barter system? Is that clear enough?

Yes, I frequently imported electronic devices, a practice I began around 2018. At the time, I traveled with the necessary paperwork and declared them in my luggage. I used these devicesspecifically cell phones and tabletsfor bartering. Ultimately, this resulted in the loss of my passport and a federal court appearance.

​It was a difficult lesson learned, but the matter has since been fully resolved and my travel privileges have been restored. I hope this answers your questions. Furthermore, I hope this serves as a warning to others: do not attempt to bring more than three cell phones into Colombia. If customs or security screeners discover a large quantity of devices in your luggage, it can lead to severe repercussions, including federal criminal charges back in the United States. Stay Vigilant. PN![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=IamLookin;3075076]And this led up to being summoned to Federal Court and having to hire an expensive lawyer?.[/QUOTE]If that's the defense that you think I supported, I'll agree with you. Otherwise take a guess. A lawyer is only expensive if you can't afford it. PN!

[QUOTE=IamLookin;3075076]And this led up to being summoned to Federal Court and having to hire an expensive lawyer?

What was you defense? You wanted to save a few dollars on hookers?.[/QUOTE]Anyone who has never faced federal charges for an administrative or legal oversight they were unaware of likely does not understand how the federal court system operates. Sometimes, individuals are prosecuted for actions they did not realize were illegal. In many cases, the system simply requires you to enter a plea. Once that plea is submitted and accepted, the ordeal ends, though the process itself often feels designed to intimidate you.

To clarify my previous point: all of my assets have been returned, and my pension has been fully reinstated. As a result, I am financially secure and no longer need to work. The only setback was the three years it took to resolve the case in court. Once the plea was finalized, my funds and passport were immediately returned. Moving forward, I will not bring any excessive electronic devices back into Colombia. That is the end of the matter. Stay Vigilant. PN!

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3074950]Thank you for a year old news link. Anything current, smart researcher?[/QUOTE]There is nothing new. They want the haggling off the streets along the Venezuelans and under age prostitutes out. It's been an ongoing effort for 18 months throughout the country and especially here with the new developments. I'm not being a smart ass I'm just highlighting what's been going.

After all that I've been through, what I actually find extremely strange is this: no matter how many times I've been to Colombia and passed through immigration, there is never a sign in the airport stating that bringing in more than three phones, tablets, or electronic devices is a federal crime.

​On the other hand, I use a shipping company to send electronics to my home in Colombia. I have a decent-sized house there, and it took me about two to two and a half years to ship all the electronics I wanted. I shipped everything from America, including over ten 85-inch televisions.

​One thing I noticed about the shipping company—especially when I shipped some items to Medellin earlier this year—is that they specifically warn you about the restrictions. While they let you ship things like beans, rice, clothing, or TVs, they explicitly state that if they find a single cell phone in your package, the entire shipment will be confiscated and you could face federal charges. They only told me this after the fact, but there is clearly a major issue with bringing cell phones into Colombia. Even the shipping companies make it a known rule: do not ship cell phones at all! Now you know! Stay Vigilant! PN!

What the shit is this? I am on my way to get some pussy and these mfs banned my account!

[QUOTE=IamLookin;3075171]Since you are bringing this up again. You had to go to US Federal Court for bringing in a few cellphones? Who seized your assets and why would your pension be in danger?[/QUOTE]Yes, all of this just isn't adding up. Totally doesn't pass the "smell" test. There's stuff being left out here I'm sure. Otherwise, it just doesn't make any sense.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3075160]What the shit is this? I am on my way to get some pussy and these mfs banned my account![/QUOTE]I had the payment app Remitly ban me. But a WhatsApp ban is a show stopper.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3075160]What the shit is this? I am on my way to get some pussy and these mfs banned my account![/QUOTE]Oof, that's rough! I know a couple of hoes that has happened to in the past. They told me that from that point on, they only discuss "business" via voice message when on Whatsapp, nothing about sex or money in text form.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3075160]What the shit is this? I am on my way to get some pussy and these mfs banned my account![/QUOTE]This happened several times a week when I first started mongering and I had to dispute my account every time and they gave my access back but yeah it was a pain in the ass.

[QUOTE=GringoLoko;3075194]This happened several times a week when I first started mongering and I had to dispute my account every time and they gave my access back but yeah it was a pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]What triggers this to happen?

For the record, let's get back to talking about the girls in Colombia. Imagine that in the year 2018, you were introduced to about 50 different women. All of these women had children—some had two daughters, some had three, and some had one. That would still be 50 women plus at least 50 daughters.

​Now, imagine moving into an environment where you blend into the community. You are around them, and they see you over the course of eight years. Fast-forward eight years later: these girls are now between the ages of 18 and 20, and you know each and every one of them because they've all been to your house, partied with you, and celebrated birthdays with you. They know you, they know you are a mainstay, and they know you are doing financially decent because you've been in the same location for the last eight years without having to move.

​There is no real reason for me to look for girls in Centro anymore because I live in an environment where I am surrounded by so many young ladies that I can pick and choose who I would like to see. On the other hand, unless you've been living under a rock, what do 18-year-old girls love more than electronic devices? I'm just saying, if you put the time in to learn about the different cultures and actually move into a neighborhood where you can completely immerse yourself in the community, your options are absolutely limitless. You can have your pick of the litter without having to travel to parque Lleras & pay outrageous prices to see these girls; they'll be right there at your beck and call.

​Stay vigilant.

PN.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3075217]I'm just saying, if you put the time in to learn about the different cultures and actually move into a neighborhood where you can completely immerse yourself in the community, your options are absolutely limitless. You can have your pick of the litter without having to travel to parque Lleras & pay outrageous prices to see these girls; they'll be right there at your beck and call.

PN.[/QUOTE]That sounds like a really interesting strategy. I am thinking about retiring to Medellin. First of all, if you don't mind my asking, using your method how much do you spend on sex approximately? The nice brothels seem to be around 200 K per hour which sounded reasonable to me. So how much are you saving? A nice phone can cost hundreds of dollars, but how much does that get you? Secondly, would you recommend any neighborhood? My first thought was Laureles.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3075252]That sounds like a really interesting strategy. I am thinking about retiring to Medellin. First of all, if you don't mind my asking, using your method how much do you spend on sex approximately? The nice brothels seem to be around 200 K per hour which sounded reasonable to me. So how much are you saving? A nice phone can cost hundreds of dollars, but how much does that get you? Secondly, would you recommend any neighborhood? My first thought was Laureles.[/QUOTE]Aranjuez, Candelaria, and Manrique are all good neighborhoods if you mind your business and don't get involved in anyone else's. I've never had a girl from the neighborhood ask me for more than 60,000 to 100,000 pesos. I can go through and see them whenever I want; it's just that I have to make time because my girlfriend keeps an eye on me.

​You can have the pick of the litter and see as many as you want—it's all up to you. However, you have to get into a neighborhood where people know you're stable, not crazy or problematic, and that you're not going to harm anybody. Once they realize you're just an ordinary, everyday, average guy who is good for the neighborhood, you're going to see more women approach you than you ever imagined. Best of all, it's going to be at a far lower rate; I've never had a girl from the neighborhood ask me for 200,000 pesos. Not ever.

These girls do not care about having a brand-new, expensive phone; they just want to make sure it is somewhat new, has the box to show their friends that it was actually purchased, and came from America. They don't give a damn if it's an iPhone 11 Pro or a 12 Pro. They just want to show their friends that an American guy gave them something the local guys wouldn't dare give them. You don't have to buy an expensive phone—it just needs to be somewhat new and come with a box or packaging. I've never spent more than $100 on a phone, and I have gotten more out of it than you could ever imagine. Just don't have more than three phones in your luggage. Stay Vigilant. PN!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3075253]Aranjuez, Candelaria, and Manrique are all good neighborhoods if you mind your business and don't get involved in anyone else's. I've never had a girl from the neighborhood ask me for more than 60,000 to 100,000 pesos. I can go through and see them whenever I want; it's just that I have to make time because my girlfriend keeps an eye on me.

​You can have the pick of the litter and see as many as you wantit's all up to you. However, you have to get into a neighborhood where people know you're stable, not crazy or problematic, and that you're not going to harm anybody. Once they realize you're just an ordinary, everyday, average guy who is good for the neighborhood, you're going to see more women approach you than you ever imagined. Best of all, it's going to be at a far lower rate; I've never had a girl from the neighborhood ask me for 200,000 pesos. Not ever.

These girls do not care about having a brand-new, expensive phone; they just want to make sure it is somewhat new, has the box to show their friends that it was actually purchased, and came from America. They don't give a damn if it's an iPhone 11 Pro or a 12 Pro. They just want to show their friends that an American guy gave them something the local guys wouldn't dare give them. You don't have to buy an expensive phoneit just needs to be somewhat new and come with a box or packaging. I've never spent more than $100 on a phone, and I have gotten more out of it than you could ever imagine. Just don't have more than three phones in your luggage. Stay Vigilant. PN![/QUOTE]Now you're overselling it. Maybe 20 years ago this play might have worked but telling guys that you could just show up in a barrio and hand out cheap handsets and get pussy thrown at you is not true.

Maybe if you were a Colombian who moved back to Medellin it would work a little bit but bringing girls back to your house like that in Colombia? Colombia is actually very family oriented women who engage in sex work do it on the low, You bring more than 5 or 6 different girls to your place a week and people are going to start looking at you strange and assumptions will be made about any woman who even talks to you.

As an expat You can do this but only if you take those girls to short time hotels and you're discrete. And 60 to 100 K while possible is improbable especially in expensive ass Medellin. It's hard to get 100 K deals in Cali now so unless you're talking about drug addicts or Vennies that you see one time at some point a regular is going to look for a raise.

Finally depending on how Gringo a guy looks and their level of Spanish they'the stick out like a sore thumb while living in a sector 4 or 5 barrio isn't a death sentance when the Moto thieves come around they're going to target the gringo especially if he's handing out phones.

I'the say for the average Gringo thinking of moving down learn Spanish learn the culture, stay in the most secure area that you can afford no dar payaya in all ways even in mongering meaning don't make it obvious that you're a super monger and be aware of your surroundings.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

So to clean this up maybe if you had no more than maybe 5 max regulars coming over a few times a week to your residence and if you mongered more taking the extras to a love hotel. 100 K in Medellin? Maybe getting a few desparate girls in Bello or somewhere and you'd have to vet the girls throughly and have to switch them out regularly. You'd also have to incentivize girls with tips to bring their friends to you unless you were stupid enough to try to recruit yourself. Even if you lived in a sector 3 area near a sector 4 area you're not getting girls in your barrio and you're definitely paying about 250 K in Medellin at the low end. Maybe if you were in Armenia 100 K would be fine but there's far less girls available.

I pay around 100 K in Cali and I have to negotiate hard and even then after awhile it creeps up especially when you factor in Transport. Actual single mothers are worst because after awile you start to get the sob stories and if you never contribute well they sell scopamine in kiosks in centro.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3075098]One thing I noticed about the shipping companyespecially when I shipped some items to Medellin earlier this yearis that they specifically warn you about the restrictions. While they let you ship things like beans, rice, clothing, or TVs, they explicitly state that if they find a single cell phone in your package, the entire shipment will be confiscated and you could face federal charges. They only told me this after the fact, but there is clearly a major issue with bringing cell phones into Colombia. Even the shipping companies make it a known rule: do not ship cell phones at all! Now you know![/QUOTE]You are talking about apples and oranges. You can not ship a cell phone because it has a lithium battery and is considered dangerous goods. Neither can you ship one with US Postal Service. You can ship one with FedEx, but you must take it out of the box and they give you a fire retardant material to wrap it in and a special box to put that in.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3075252]A nice phone can cost hundreds of dollars, but how much does that get you?[/QUOTE]Those chicks do not know a nice phone from applebutter. What constitutes a nice phone and an expensive one is the processor and the memory. Those chicks only need it to take pictures and they would like it to say iPhone for the prestige. Anything else they do not care and do not know about.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3075298]Now you're overselling it. Maybe 20 years ago this play might have worked but telling guys that you could just show up in a barrio and hand out cheap handsets and get pussy thrown at you is not true.

Maybe if you were a Colombian who moved back to Medellin it would work a little bit but bringing girls back to your house like that in Colombia? Colombia is actually very family oriented women who engage in sex work do it on the low, You bring more than 5 or 6 different girls to your place a week and people are going to start looking at you strange and assumptions will be made about any woman who even talks to you.

As an expat You can do this but only if you take those girls to short time hotels and you're discrete. And 60 to 100 K while possible is improbable especially in expensive ass Medellin. It's hard to get 100 K deals in Cali now so unless you're talking about drug addicts or Vennies that you see one time at some point a regular is going to look for a raise.

Finally depending on how Gringo a guy looks and their level of Spanish they'the stick out like a sore thumb while living in a sector 4 or 5 barrio isn't a death sentance when the Moto thieves come around they're going to target the gringo especially if he's handing out phones..[/QUOTE]Here is a revised version of your text that cleans up the grammar, adds punctuation for readability, and maintains the exact points you are making about your living situation and community relationships:

I speak Spanish fluently and have lived in this same area for the last eight years. I have actually taken classes for my profession there in Colombia, and I have never had any problems communicating with my neighbors.

For the most part, most of these 18- to 20-year-old girls are home by themselves at some point during the day; their mothers and their mothers' boyfriends go to work. Stopping by to visit them is a piece of cake, especially if you live in the neighborhood. No one is going to stop you from speaking or communicating with them. Since they have been to my home—we have thrown several parties here—they know that I am doing well. They also know that I am stable because I have been here for eight years.

My house is secure; it takes two doors to enter, and I have security cameras all over the premises, including the front, the back, and the front doors. To enter my home, you have to ring a doorbell that calls my phone. Because of this, I do not know why it is out of the question to think that $60,000-$100,000 pesos is below market rate.

I am not the biggest or the scariest guy in the world, but what I can tell you is that in eight years, no one has ever come up to rob, harass, or take anything from me. I own a motorcycle there in Colombia that is registered in my name. I keep it parked at the parking garage, where I pay about $240 a year for parking, so I only have to move it whenever I choose.

The truth is, I am in touch with 150 18- to 20-year-old girls in my neighborhood, many of whom have never had children and many of whom I have known over the last eight years. Me being in communication with them or having a personal conversation with them is nothing out of the ordinary, because I have young people who live in my home and these neighbors frequently visit. Stay Vigilant. PN!

​I don't know what era many of you are living in, but I can tell you this: last night, I purchased four triple cheeseburgers and fries from a local restaurant in Medellin. I was able to use my girlfriend's Nequi account to pay for it over the internet. Once I placed the order, the restaurant sent me a bill for 82,000 pesos. In America, just one burger at Five Guys would cost you right around 80,000 pesos. Because of this, I don't know why people are beginning to believe that you can't find girls in these neighborhoods for 60,000 to 100,000 pesos per encounter. I'm telling you now, 100,000 pesos goes a long way when you're living in Medellin. People are choosing to pay what they want to pay—it's their money, and I have no problem with what they spend.

​However, I know what I pay. I stay in communication with several of the 18-year-old girls in my neighborhood. I move around, stay unseen, and I'm not a threat or a problem. People have seen me in this same neighborhood for the last eight years, so seeing me around is nothing new. I speak to everyone, and sometimes I sit and have coffee with the locals. Once I'm in an apartment or a home, whatever consenting adults do is our business. I'm in and out without a problem, and I have never paid 250,000 to 400,000 pesos to have an encounter with these young ladies. Stay Vigilant. PN!

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If stort staying or living in Colombia get the nicest place you're willing to pay with around the clock security. Then tip your guards and tell them they should call when the girl is coming up and leaving. Authorize them to take a picture of her cedula (ID Card) No cedula no sex. You'll want that if the girl tries to pass off a fake cedula. I'the take a picture of the cedula and the what's app on the negotiations. Remember a private deal between two adults is totally legal in Colombia. The place should have cameras all around again if scoped you'll need that as evidence.

Understand that in Colombia usually the Judge makes a determination of guilt based on a proponderance of evidence no jury is needed.

Finally you might even want cameras in your house you can do final negotiations with a secret nanny cam in the living room and fuck her in the bedroom. I would not flim the fuck session without consent that is a crime.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

Let's speak actual facts. I live in Medellin, and I have a home here that I bought back in 2020 during the COVID era. I also have two brothers-in-law who live with me. Both of them work six days a week; one earns 600,000 pesos a week, and the other earns 525,000 pesos a week. So, when you try to tell me that 100,000 pesos is not a sufficient payment to be with a girl, I just don't understand why not.

​My home in Medellin has eight bedrooms and four bathrooms, and I can post my electric bill for the month to prove it. For comparison, my home in America is a three-bedroom, one-bath, and my light bill there is nearly $140 a month with me living entirely by myself. In my Medellin home, there are about eight people living with me right now. There is frequent cooking, air conditioning running, fans blowing, and TVs on everywhere throughout the house. Even with all of that going on, my light bill is never over $250 a month.

​So, why would 100,000 pesos not be sufficient payment for a girl if you know her, and she doesn't even have to leave her neighborhood to see you and earn that money? Please make it make sense. Stay Vigilant. PN!

​To break up the monotony and give you an idea of just how crazy Medellin can be, I have a situation going on in my neighborhood right now. One of my neighbors is 21, and his girlfriend is 19. She has discovered the power of Parque Lleras and the power of her body. Someone has been paying her very well to see her. She's a pretty girl—very skinny, with a nice chest and a nice rear end.

​Ever since she discovered the power of her body and started going to Parque Lleras, her boyfriend beats her every time she comes home. They've been fighting for about the last two to three months. I have informed him that sooner or later, he is going to go to jail for domestic violence because this girl is going to get tired of it. You cannot compete with these foreigners and these American guys who are paying your girlfriend. He is going to have to wait for another seven or eight years, or until she gets older or is no longer desired by these American tourists, because fighting her is not going to resolve the problem. The fact is, when someone is giving her 400,000 to 500,000 pesos, she will never look at him the same way again.

​I actually feel horrible for the young man because he just can't compete with these foreigners and their money. LOL. Stay Vigilant. PN!

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3075301]So to clean this up maybe if you had no more than maybe 5 max regulars coming over a few times a week to your residence and if you mongered more taking the extras to a love hotel. 100 K in Medellin? Maybe getting a few desparate girls in Bello or somewhere and you'd have to vet the girls throughly and have to switch them out regularly. You'd also have to incentivize girls with tips to bring their friends to you unless you were stupid enough to try to recruit yourself. Even if you lived in a sector 3 area near a sector 4 area you're not getting girls in your barrio and you're definitely paying about 250 K in Medellin at the low end. Maybe if you were in Armenia 100 K would be fine but there's far less girls available.

I pay around 100 K in Cali and I have to negotiate hard and even then after awhile it creeps up especially when you factor in Transport. Actual single mothers are worst because after awile you start to get the sob stories and if you never contribute well they sell scopamine in kiosks in centro.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.[/QUOTE]Imagine working 12 hours a day for just $31. That is the equivalent of $2.60 an hour, yet people here in Medellin consider that a very good wage. Let that sink in the next time you hand someone 400,000 to 500,000 pesos for sex. Imagine a grown man working 12 hours a day for just 100,000 pesos. Stay Vigilant. PN!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3075303]Those chicks do not know a nice phone from applebutter. What constitutes a nice phone and an expensive one is the processor and the memory. Those chicks only need it to take pictures and they would like it to say iPhone for the prestige. Anything else they do not care and do not know about.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with your response 100% factual. Stay Vigilant. PN!

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;3075298]Now you're overselling it. Maybe 20 years ago this play might have worked but telling guys that you could just show up in a barrio and hand out cheap handsets and get pussy thrown at you is not true.

it would work a little bit but bringing girls back to your house like that in Colombia? ( i go to their house, not bring them to mines!)You bring more than 5 or 6 different girls to your place a week and people are going to start looking at you strange( no one looks at you strange after living in the area for 8 years) and assumptions will be made about any woman who even talks to you.

As an expat… unless you're talking about drug addicts or Vennies( I only Primarily deal with Vennies) that you see one time at some point a regular is going to look for a raise.

Finally depending on how Gringo a guy looks and their level of Spanish ( I speak Spanish Fluently) they'the stick out like a sore thumb..[/QUOTE]I have a few questions. First, who is watching the young teenage girls while their mothers are working in Parque Lleras and Parque Botero? Second, what job does a 25-year-old Venezuelan female who immigrates to Colombia have that allows her to make sufficient money to live a reasonable lifestyle? If a person cannot find any employment other than domestic work—which only pays around 325,000 pesos weekly—what other job will she do to provide enough money to support herself and potentially a young child?

​Saying that sex work is a private or hidden entity is absolutely absurd, because it is not. These women know exactly what each of them must do to earn money. I live in the neighborhood with them, so I know who does what, who is home, and at what particular times. I know what is happening because I live in the same community with them. Stay Vigilant. PN!