Nairobi

[QUOTE=Priamos; 1119850]Satyr, many thanks for your advice.

Well, I HAVE read the forums here, but frankly I assumed that the posters were bragging when they said that they "spent a whole night with a sophmore student for nothing". I mean, if you look like Jeff Gyllenhaal, that may be possible, but.

Point. I should not over analyse. (A known weakness of mine.) It reminds me of East Europe 25 years ago. People were proud to know a westener. And the girls were keen to spend a night with a westerner. Because, seeing as westeners were in another class, it must show that the girl whom they fancy must be someone special. Well. If that's the game in Kenya, I'll go there armed with my youthful experiences from Krakow and Poznan![/QUOTE]But that is not the main point, I suppose.

I was not in Eastern Europe 25 years ago, so I cannot comment.

Am 47, good looking but not dreamy, work out regularly (so am fit) , shy but charming after the shyness is gotten past, reserved. Tend to think the worst of people and their motives and pronouncements (so not every proclamation of love carries me away). I also suffer dreadfully from a tendency to analyze things until they are dead.

Description furnished by way of context of my success and experience in Africa.

I did occasionally get the vibe that having a white boyfriend was a feather in the cap.

In Nairobi I payed no one apart from reasonable cab fare.

In Mombasa I offered 80 percent of the girls I was with 1000 shillings. They were all ST and all but one accepted. The two girls with whom I had a lifeless threesome asked for another thousand after I gave each 1000 separately on the pretext that the trip back to Diani from Mombasa was long. I didn't have the heart to argue. (When I am deflated and disappointed I tend not to argue). This was the only disappointing experience I had in 2 weeks, incidentally.

The 20 percent of girls to whom I did not offer money were the recipients of dinners and drinks and live band entertainment at Nakumatt on one occasion and karaoke at Nyali Resort on another and these girls did not seem in the least put out that I did not offer.

Now that I think of it, I suppose my few LT girls were wined and dined more thoroughly than the ST girls, as they were more scintillating all-around companions and I actually enjoyed their company both in and out of bed.

My advice with semi-pros can be boiled down to these principles: be prepared to pay or not pay, be willing and easy to pay or not pay, do not discuss paying or not paying until parting. If she doesn't ask and you feel like paying, for whatever reasons affection-based, satisfaction-based or otherwise, then offer. If you don't feel like paying, for whatever reasons affection-based, satisfaction-based or otherwise, then don't offer.

You should immediately have a feel for whether you decided correctly based on her response. And I think in most of these situations, misunderstandings can easily be remedied.

As the Zen poet and swordsman Basho said: Be without expectations.

Again, none of these considerations apply to hard-core pros, with whom I have very little experience.

I had a few days in Nairobi recently. I stayed at Chesterhouse. I booked in for just one night with the intention of finding somewhere else a bit cheaper but ended up staying at CH for the entire period. It is very comfortable and even the standard 'Bedroom' has loads of space, something I like. Security was very friendly and getting girls in was no problem at all, either with me or if they arrived on their own. I usually briefed security that was going to happen. If I stay there again I would go for a room on one of the higher floors to avoid the noise from the bar / restaurant close to the pool. I tried the 'in house' breakfast once and it was really bad and subsequently wandered down the road to the Java each day for breakfast. Although having a kitchen you can of course do your own. At no time wandering around the street local to CH did I feel threatened or hassled.

Checked in late, changed and walked across the road to Madhouse. Sheer Paradise. This was Wednesday and reggae night. Despite what has been written I found the place full of some great-looking babes. And I love reggae. The only problem with the place (and with Simmers) is that as soon as you have made a choice, you see half a dozen other stunners you wish you had gone for instead. So many girls, too little time. Anyway after a while watching the Chinese trying to dance to the dropped beat, I caught the eye of N who came back to my room for a few hours of sheer pleasure. Next day I met up with someone I had contacted on AFF. We met for lunch and she then came over for the evening, staying all night. This was more of a genuine meet such as Satyr9 refers to. No money changed hands other than meals and drinks. Friday I wandered over to Simmers too see what the place was all about. Again contrary to what has been written by some, there was a constant parade of some really amazing girls. I soon bumped into N from two nights before. She was with a friend who was totally drop dead gorgeous and I quickly introduced the idea of a threesome. A hour later the two were wandering around my apartment completly naked. This was where having lots of room came in handy as they set about exploring every nook and cranny in one of the best nights of my life, although they were not really into each other. They eventually left to go to Madhouse and was I supposed to follow but fell into a blissful sleep instead. N came back on Saturday afternoon for one last very passionate session before I left on Sunday morning. I was too drained in every sense of the word to do anything on Saturday night. There were lots of places I did not visit and I failed to try out the massge Satyr talked about which sounded good, but there is always next time. Madhouse Mzungus drool OK.

[QUOTE=Satyr9; 1119969]You should immediately have a feel for whether you decided correctly based on her response. And I think in most of these situations, misunderstandings can easily be remedied.

As the Zen poet and swordsman Basho said: Be without expectations.

Again, none of these considerations apply to hard-core pros, with whom I have very little experience.[/QUOTE]I fully concur with your observations and conclusions, except for a big exception :

I suggest you might want to reconsider the " with whom I have very little experience " bit.

I must confess that most all of my experiences are with what you would call "hard core pros". Not that I intend it to be that way, but that is how it plays out, in retrospect. Why? Because contrary to what you and I would like to think, it is not really up to you or me alone to make the choice of temporary companion. What ultimately really matters is how she signals her avaialibility to you, how she presents and positions herself to attract your attention.

In my (considerable) experience, nobody is better at pretending that she is just "goody 2 shoes trying to make it I the big city " than a consumate pro. Quite a few of my repeaters (and I always repeat with girls who give me good experiences) have openend up to me that they have a profile up on AFF or other dating sites, looking for Mr. Right. And even though they do " this " for a living, I am inclined to think that many are genuine in their desire to call it quits once they latch on to somebody for a more or less permanent relationship.

LH wrote:

<<What ultimately really matters is how she signals her avaialibility to you, how she presents and positions herself to attract your attention.

I couldn't agree more. Hence I apply my simple African rule.

If she meets you in an innocent, non-hardcore context (AFF, Afro, hairdresser, internet cafe, etc.) , then my rules apply.

If she meets you at Madhouse or Simmers, then those rules apply.

The spectrum from regular girl to hardcore pro may be nuanced and fluid on this continent but, fortunately for me and my rules of engagement, the venues and contexts of first contact are fairly fixed.

My only expectation of a girl is that she be game to proceed according to the rules of the field of play where we first encounter one another.

True intentions and rule changes are hers and mine to negotiate thereafter.

[QUOTE=Satyr9; 1122718]LH wrote:

<<What ultimately really matters is how she signals her avaialibility to you, how she presents and positions herself to attract your attention.

I couldn't agree more. Hence I apply my simple African rule.

If she meets you in an innocent, non-hardcore context (AFF, Afro, hairdresser, internet cafe, etc.) , then my rules apply.

If she meets you at Madhouse or Simmers, then those rules apply.

The spectrum from regular girl to hardcore pro may be nuanced and fluid on this continent but, fortunately for me and my rules of engagement, the venues and contexts of first contact are fairly fixed.

My only expectation of a girl is that she be game to proceed according to the rules of the field of play where we first encounter one another.

True intentions and rule changes are hers and mine to negotiate thereafter.[/QUOTE]I now more than 10 girls in afro. Running in Big tree, casabanca, casarina, florida madhouse. No different in rules between disco girls end afro girls. One distination. MONEY

[QUOTE=Satyr9; 1119969]But that is not the main point, I suppose.

I was not in Eastern Europe 25 years ago, so I cannot comment.

Am 47, good looking but not dreamy, work out regularly (so am fit) , shy but charming after the shyness is gotten past, reserved. Tend to think the worst of people and their motives and pronouncements (so not every proclamation of love carries me away). I also suffer dreadfully from a tendency to analyze things until they are dead.

Description furnished by way of context of my success and experience in Africa.

I did occasionally get the vibe that having a white boyfriend was a feather in the cap.

In Nairobi I payed no one apart from reasonable cab fare.

In Mombasa I offered 80 percent of the girls I was with 1000 shillings. They were all ST and all but one accepted. The two girls with whom I had a lifeless threesome asked for another thousand after I gave each 1000 separately on the pretext that the trip back to Diani from Mombasa was long. I didn't have the heart to argue. (When I am deflated and disappointed I tend not to argue). This was the only disappointing experience I had in 2 weeks, incidentally.

The 20 percent of girls to whom I did not offer money were the recipients of dinners and drinks and live band entertainment at Nakumatt on one occasion and karaoke at Nyali Resort on another and these girls did not seem in the least put out that I did not offer.

Now that I think of it, I suppose my few LT girls were wined and dined more thoroughly than the ST girls, as they were more scintillating all-around companions and I actually enjoyed their company both in and out of bed.

My advice with semi-pros can be boiled down to these principles: be prepared to pay or not pay, be willing and easy to pay or not pay, do not discuss paying or not paying until parting. If she doesn't ask and you feel like paying, for whatever reasons affection-based, satisfaction-based or otherwise, then offer. If you don't feel like paying, for whatever reasons affection-based, satisfaction-based or otherwise, then don't offer.

You should immediately have a feel for whether you decided correctly based on her response. And I think in most of these situations, misunderstandings can easily be remedied.

As the Zen poet and swordsman Basho said: Be without expectations.

Again, none of these considerations apply to hard-core pros, with whom I have very little experience. [/QUOTE]If one kenya girls is less than 24h with you. End you not promisd to married with her. Than this girl neet money from you. All the rest is nonsens. Not one kenya girl open her pussy for free. All this storys about big taxi money is nonsens. The girl will return it home with matatu end buy schapaty from your money. If you give 2000ksh for taxi or 2000ksh pussy. From this 2000ksh the mzungu can not drinking tusker after this from this money. The kenya girls sleeping with mzungu. 1) for better life after (western union draem) 2) or for money to pay her rent. It is only 1 or 2. Way number 3. Not

[QUOTE=Willyboy;1122797]If one kenya girls is less than 24h with you. End you not promisd to married with her. Than this girl neet money from you. All the rest is nonsens. Not one kenya girl open her pussy for free. All this storys about big taxi money is nonsens. The girl will return it home with matatu end buy schapaty from your money. If you give 2000ksh for taxi or 2000ksh pussy. From this 2000ksh the mzungu can not drinking tusker after this from this money. The kenya girls sleeping with mzungu. 1) for better life after (western union draem) 2) or for money to pay her rent. It is only 1 or 2. Way number 3. Not[/QUOTE]On the most fundamental level, maintaining that all members of a society are the same way is offensive and errant.

All Muslims are fundamentalists, all Jews are cheap, all Irish are drunks. And now, courtesy of Willyboy, all Kenyan women fuck foreigners only for money.

Just stupid and offensive on the most basic level.

[QUOTE=Satyr9; 1122890]On the most fundamental level, maintaining that all members of a society are the same way is offensive and errant.

All Muslims are fundamentalists, all Jews are cheap, all Irish are drunks. And now, courtesy of Willyboy, all Kenyan women fuck foreigners only for money.

Just stupid and offensive on the most basic level.[/QUOTE]Pussy is never for free!

Only 2 thinks are free in Kenya. 1) the sun 2) the smile of kenya girls.

All the rest. MONEY.

Not in one place al over the world is sex for free.

Maby mzungu thinking that girls in Nairobi coming to simmers or florida madhouse to find klient for free sex. Compleet nonsens.

Plaese come not with storys like big taximoney for sex.

Like all generalisations, this is rubbish. In my few visits to kenya I have met a couple of girls through AFF, Alt. Com or just chatting up someone in a shop etc and they were genuinely only interested in meeting someone different to what they were used to just for the sake of it. On my visit a few weeks ago, the girl in question said she was done with local guys and like so many Kenyan girls I have met, she had a high sex drive and wanted to try different things. In this instance bondage and I was happy to oblige. Sure I bought meals and drinks but I did not have to. The reason why I sometimes prefer a straightforward transaction is that once its done, its done. Some AFF contacts can be a bit clingy. Nothing too heavy but when time is short, sometimes pay and go has its attractions.

[QUOTE=Willyboy;1122797]If one kenya girls is less than 24h with you. End you not promisd to married with her. Than this girl neet money from you. All the rest is nonsens. Not one kenya girl open her pussy for free. All this storys about big taxi money is nonsens. The girl will return it home with matatu end buy schapaty from your money. If you give 2000ksh for taxi or 2000ksh pussy. From this 2000ksh the mzungu can not drinking tusker after this from this money. The kenya girls sleeping with mzungu. 1) for better life after (western union draem) 2) or for money to pay her rent. It is only 1 or 2. Way number 3. Not[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Willyboy;1122785]I now more than 10 girls in afro. Running in Big tree, casabanca, casarina, florida madhouse. No different in rules between disco girls end afro girls. One distination. MONEY[/QUOTE]Before moving on with our adventures on safari, I would like to say Willy is just being realistic. Most women really are in it for financial and emotional support. These young women would rather be hiding the sausage with a young guy in their neighbourhood rather than pander to an older mzungu. Most of them will be working in some way or other and using introduction agencies as well to further their ambitions.

We all age eventually and this is the most difficult thing for us fellow hunters to accept, when we have just had wonderful experiences with a host of young hotties. Jake Gyllenhall and whoever else you care to mention will have to accept this fact of life one day. I sadly saw my own father experience this realisation as age caught up with him.

The working girl in 'Nairobi Nights' hinted at this and why business can be so good for her and friends because ultimately part of their work is massaging the ego of their punters. Wherever, I have been in the world a woman will sweet talk me but I know this is nothing more than part of their act and the same lines they have used to other hunters passing through on sausage safari.

It is my very sad duty to report that Nairobi is not longer a premier mongering destination. I have decided to bite the bullit and face reality. I accept that many will trenchantly disagree with me and will make incisive counter arguments.

However, things have changed so much in the last 10 years in Nairobi that it is just not worth visiting anymore.

There are so few places to go now in the City. Gone are the two primary hunting grounds of Buffalo Bills and the Bavarian Hotel. Never to be replaced. Where hundreds of pretty amateur girls congregated in Florida 2000 now one only finds tired wornout camels.

You can now go to Simmers. All tough weatherbeaten pros and New Florida. All tough weatherbeaten pros. I fucked them all 10 years ago. The all sit on the same stools.

Black Diamond in Westlands is a great new disco. Lovely openair terrace but regrettably just hosting the best of the pros of Simmers and Floridas- and asking for big money in the leafy salubrious confines of Westlands.

Nairobi has in the region of 8 Universities now. They churn out thousands of graduates each year. They are all professional people and no longer desperately need of the sugar daddies of old. You will get the very odd drunken or cunning exception.

And please. The posts on the Nairobi forum have become so tedious and boring that I am turning to drink to sedate my nerves.

Sorry to burst your bubbles Rafikis but the truth must be told. Thats why we come to this site. We seek the truth.

If anyone. And I'm sure there will be many building a scaffold for me. Wish to dispute. Then let them name just one. Just one place in Nairobi during daylight hours where one can buy and beer and peruse willing amateur or semi pros.

So raise a Toast to Nairobi as we mourn her passing. Boo Hoo!

[QUOTE=Satyr9; 1122890]On the most fundamental level, maintaining that all members of a society are the same way is offensive and errant.

All Muslims are fundamentalists, all Jews are cheap, all Irish are drunks. And now, courtesy of Willyboy, all Kenyan women fuck foreigners only for money.

Just stupid and offensive on the most basic level. [/QUOTE]I have problems when people generalize, as well as when people are ignorant to learn the true colors of characters, while they could've. Most mongerers have little time or interest to get to know their temporary partners and I know we all operates in different ways.

WB is generalizing and I can not support that like the rest of you.

Satyr9 is very experienced. He can estimate different characters of malayas from the palm of his hand, I can sense that. For newcomers things may turnout different.

To pay or not to pay? I always choose pay! Even if its 500 for a newspaper or taxi when otherwise the girl gets insulted to accept money for sex. Simply because of my own motivations and standard: I am not going to marry the girl, I choose her to have sex with, not the girl choosing me and I don't wand to get in the cat and mouse game. She may refuse money not genuinely but because she is playing her cards. Many girls try emotional sabotage on two sides.

1: She accept money because she is so poor and pitiful, I have a child to raise. Its never enough.

2: How could you ever think of me that I am a prostitute! She makes you feel guilty about your acts while what she really wands is a Western Union husband. By causing a scene her chances increase with us softies.

Bare in mind that also mongerers sometimes get caught in 'serious relationship' and the girls know that, they live on hope, like their friends who managed to get a mzungu they also wand to prosper. Her chances may be less than 1% but after fucking 200 mzunges she'll get what she wands.

Let alone the girls who I see daily, who approach me, who are financially stable and I know very well!

Paying a malaya, if it's a little overpriced cab-money, a newspaper or whatsoever sets the records straight: I don't owe you, you do not owe me, and no emotional manipulation.

You might not know that some fellow posters NEVER pay a girl after let's say three or more days fun, but it happens and if something bad happens, that's the time we read that malayas in Mtwapa or so are S*T. I wish not even the biggest malaya to think of my person to fit into that category.

I think WB was trying to say something like this too, though his character is too straight forward to understand the taxi money while they'll take a matatu after all, LOL.

Girls of the Internet, are just another form of prostitution. They are poor in spirit who are unwilling to understand.

Make 2 different mailadresses. 2 different country. 2 different names. Write to one girl from afro. End say, I coming to Nairobi. Plaese pik-up in airport. One garanty. This will coming. Choise 2 different holiday periods. I did it. End I smile to to floor. In 20 seconds. The same girl will have one fuck with my. Willy from 2 different countrys. 2 different names. One girl in Nairobi told my that her mailbox in full with 50 to 100 mails / day. This afro is big profit. If you having mailadres from one girl. Put it in google, end 50 procent. Send you to SCAMMERSLIST.