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[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2189064]Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. I have 2 contacts both never reply to my messages and one number seems to be blocked. I don't really think contact with WG is easy, they don't have FB, they don't have email, they give numbers that don't reply. I really don't get it. Don't they want our money or is it something they are afraid off?[/QUOTE]Depends on how much money you've spent on her. WGs have good memory of those that spent a lot on them, and more of a priority given this fact.

All dpends on how significant of an income you bring to them over a period of time. exponentially increases memory of you.

Some girls have high spenders, and keep in touch of when they arrive due to being big money.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2189064]I don't really think contact with WG is easy, they don't have FB, they don't have email, they give numbers that don't reply. I really don't get it. Don't they want our money or is it something they are afraid off?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2189118]All dpends on how significant of an income you bring to them over a period of time. exponentially increases memory of you. Some girls have high spenders, and keep in touch of when they arrive due to being big money.[/QUOTE]Depends on popularity of the WG. Pksimar, if you spent just 200 EUR and met her only once, and she is extremely busy and popular, she probably won't reply. Also are you trying to make small talk when you message? Maybe write "I will be in Frankfurt next week. Are you working?" Don't talk about a trip three months from now. They might think you are wasting their time. Small talk and more after-sales is reserved for higher tier paying customers.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2189058]Just reframe your thinking. It works so long as you don't mind being approached often. I've always found being Asian from America as a big advantage as long as you stay in control of your choices. I don't like having to work for a girl's attention at a club so it's great when they come to you. A simple smile and head nod is usually all it takes.[/QUOTE]Smile and head nod is essentially the same as approaching. That is if you are doing it to invite them over. Because you are the first one to express interest.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2189064]Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. I have 2 contacts both never reply to my messages and one number seems to be blocked. I don't really think contact with WG is easy, they don't have FB, they don't have email, they give numbers that don't reply. I really don't get it. Don't they want our money or is it something they are afraid off?[/QUOTE]They all have Facebook accounts. Some are more willing to give out FB info out than others. The ones who do are very very easy to reach. But yes, FB is somewhat more sensitive as so many are also connected to their families on that platform.

Instagram is less connected to older family members and seems to be more easily attained if they have an account.

WhatsApp numbers should be easy to get but like the others guys said, outside of an authentic connection, successful replies depend on your financial value to them.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2189127]Depends on popularity of the WG. Pksimar, if you spent just 200 EUR and met her only once, and she is extremely busy and popular, she probably won't reply. Also are you trying to make small talk when you message? Maybe write "I will be in Frankfurt next week. Are you working?" Don't talk about a trip three months from now. They might think you are wasting their time. Small talk and more after-sales is reserved for higher tier paying customers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply.

I think this WG must be very popular. I have tried 4 times to meet her with no success. Saw her once and was blown away and took 4 times the place in 2 months to meet her and still I have zero success. It is just crazy!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2189130]Smile and head nod is essentially the same as approaching. That is if you are doing it to invite them over. Because you are the first one to express interest.[/QUOTE]I smile, wink, laugh and nod at all of them. That's what gets me in trouble. Well, that and being a known poster on this site. I had one lady who approached myself and a couple fellow bears this last weekend. She told us we could be less obvious in our looks and assessments of the ladies. I replied, clubs like these are the one place I don't have to worry about that. Smile and Nod, approach hard if you want or let the ladies come to you. Just remember, it's your money until she earns it and you have the right to say no.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;2188612]This coming weekend would like to visit Samya, Oceans, Oase and Sharks and possibly Palace from Friday night (say 10 pm) to Sunday about 8 pm.

I will be using public transport (ICE trains) and taxis.

What do you suggest?[/QUOTE]I would suggest to rent a car. You can enjoy the autobahn. And you can leave whenever you want.

[QUOTE=Casterly55;2188821]Asian here, but from the US.

First FKK last year at Sharks. Been to clubs in Mexico and Brazil before, never FKK.

Didn't read ISG before going.

I quickly learned that Asian hunters were a thing from one of the girls.

Man. The Asians from Asia is making FKKs really hard for me.

On the good side, lots of girls approach, but on the bad sides, most are sharks and pushy with bad service. But I guess on the flip-flip side, I go for the girls that don't approach because they self-filter so I know exactly who the pushy asian hunters are.

Going back to sharks next week, hope I don't get hunted again.[/QUOTE]Well if you are Asian looking, but speak English more or less fluently, which you clearly do, then it is a plus to be Asian in FKK because reputation is good with prompt behavior and considered as clean people with no body odor.

However, some of them pay up too much and settle easily for soft session, so some shark girls may try to target you as soft target.

It all come down to negotiation skill and I actually think it is a plus thing in FKK to be Asian if you speak the language and can negotiate.

Only down side I have being Asian in FKK is that low appearance sharky girls kept on coming up to me asking for rooms, so it is annoying to keep on saying no to them in different formats.

When ugly girls come up to me up close in FKK, it really really spoil my mood to the level do not touch me or come close to me, but I remain polite LOL.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2189064]Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. I have 2 contacts both never reply to my messages and one number seems to be blocked. I don't really think contact with WG is easy, they don't have FB, they don't have email, they give numbers that don't reply. I really don't get it. Don't they want our money or is it something they are afraid off?[/QUOTE]The girls ignore me as well! I only visit 2-3 times a year for 3 days & I'm not a big spender.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2189130]Smile and head nod is essentially the same as approaching. That is if you are doing it to invite them over. Because you are the first one to express interest.[/QUOTE]True, but the problem with not doing this, and just sitting there not looking especially at anyone, is that anyone walks over to you. Usually in 90% of the cases somebody you don't want to go with right there and then. As a bargaining technique we probably should go with more of the girls approaching us, but most guys don't. As soon as you smile or nod, she can use it against you as you hint at. With the majority of the girls, it is after all a money game.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2189130]Smile and head nod is essentially the same as approaching. That is if you are doing it to invite them over. Because you are the first one to express interest.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pistons;2189340]True, but the problem with not doing this, and just sitting there not looking especially at anyone, is that anyone walks over to you. Usually in 90% of the cases somebody you don't want to go with right there and then. As a bargaining technique we probably should go with more of the girls approaching us, but most guys don't. As soon as you smile or nod, she can use it against you as you hint at. With the majority of the girls, it is after all a money game.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's basically an invite. But one should not be so skiddish with social interactions in a social club. It's an invitation to socialize, not a sure closing of the deal; it's her job to close the deal. If you don't go with her and she thinks you are wasting her time then she can just get over it. Obviously, you should not waste 15 minutes time of 4 different girls and go to no rooms but some social interactions is never a bad thing assuming you actually know how to socialize.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2189304]The girls ignore me as well! I only visit 2-3 times a year for 3 days & I'm not a big spender.[/QUOTE]I was a big spender on my 4 visits but with many girls not just one or two. So now the one I want does not know that!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2189340]True, but the problem with not doing this, and just sitting there not looking especially at anyone, is that anyone walks over to you. Usually in 90% of the cases somebody you don't want to go with right there and then. As a bargaining technique we probably should go with more of the girls approaching us, but most guys don't. As soon as you smile or nod, she can use it against you as you hint at. With the majority of the girls, it is after all a money game.[/QUOTE]I always prefer to approach whether it is a regular or whether it is a new girl to me.

For the men who prefer to be approached, is it always about losing some bargaining leverage? Are there other reasons behind this preference? A WG's leverage is more dictated by how busy she is, how coveted she is. Whether you approach her or head nod and smile, they are both signals of interest on your part, so it seems she would have the upper hand immediately. But I'd say her upper hand existed well before the two of you ever laid eyes on each other. I could be wrong, but doesn't Helen, the new queen of Sharks, rarely approach? She knows her market value based on how many men are rooming her each day. That's where her upper hand comes from primarily!

Are there not better ways to disguise your interest? I sometimes smile, approach, talk for two minutes, wait for her to pop the room question then say "no", smile again and walk away. I've done that to WGs sometimes 10-15 visits in a row, to the point that they label me a time waster, and start to ignore me. Then five visits later, I ask her for a session. Do I do this deliberately? No, of course not. It is just me being indecisive and risk-averse, because I almost always go with regulars, preferably about 75 percent of the time. This technique is strategic, and thus not a viable option for a one-time-visitor.

At a club like Sharks where the bar makes you feel like you are walking around a race-track, sometimes WGs will catch me staring at them. The WG will motion for me to "come over", but I don't slow down, I just look back not breaking eye-contact. Or I might walk over and talk for only two minutes. I may do this several times in one night. Again I do not do this deliberately. My interaction is an honest communication of my level of interest in her: she piques my interest but not enough for me to commit. She may even notice me talking to regulars and realize that I am asking about her.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2189064]Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. I have 2 contacts both never reply to my messages and one number seems to be blocked. I don't really think contact with WG is easy, they don't have FB, they don't have email, they give numbers that don't reply. I really don't get it. Don't they want our money or is it something they are afraid off?[/QUOTE]I don't understand: when a girl gives you her German number, or Swiss, or Austrian, or even Romanian, it means she wants to meet you again. When you don't return so often, she sends you: how are you? If you don't answer fast enough, she ask you: you don't like me anymore? When I ask them if they will work on a day, they always answer.

When I sent messages to my LR regular about what I thought about her behavior, even she was in Romania, not working, she answered me.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2189568]For the men who prefer to be approached, is it always about losing some bargaining leverage? Are there other reasons behind this preference? A WG's leverage is more dictated by how busy she is, how coveted she is. Whether you approach her or head nod and smile, they are both signals of interest on your part, so it seems she would have the upper hand immediately. But I'd say her upper hand existed well before the two of you ever laid eyes on each other.[/QUOTE]Depends on how you look at it. It's not about leverage for me. In the age of Amazon deliveries, it's about me not wanting to chase down something that I am purchasing. Occasional exceptions do exist of course, usually depending on horniness and logistics of trying to fit in multiple rooms.

Regarding leverage and the upper hand, the simple head nod and smile is much different than the walk up. Style points do affect these girls, they are young twenty somethings afterall. The casual nod while reveals interest does not necessarily give up leverage. This of course depends on your ability to convey and maintain the mindset that a room with her is just a possibility but that she is one of a few girls that interest you with many many competitors just a few meters away.