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[QUOTE=JustTK;2757526]Check your facts about Factcheck:
[URL]https://unherd.com/2021/11/what-fact-checkers-get-wrong/[/URL][/QUOTE]Three posts almost in a row about how Factcheck and Fact Checkers just don't have a handle on the facts as well as what you pull out of the air and from where the Sun don't shine. And not one of them contains a single linked source to refute any of the facts cited and fully substantiated in my posts on the topics at hand.
Classic.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2757524]Attached is just one simple example I came across today. Truly Orwellian thought control.
It is a FB warning on a post that a friend has on his wall. The post is a message about the history of Donbass. We are no longer allowed to think for ourselves, we must simply accept as fACT what our leaders tell us.
Where are the warnings on social media when there is an article that may be influenced by US Govt, or EU, or UK? Obvious why not. Bcos social media is controlled by US Govt and must follow what they say. It's exactly the same w FACTCHECK. They have no more a hold over "facts" than anyone else.[/QUOTE]The "history of the Donbas"?
Here's a little history for you. The Donbas (and Crimea) was a part of Ukraine following the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's a fact. When Ukraine was formed in 1991,80-some-odd percent of the Donbas [B]supported[/B] independence from Russia. That is also a FACT. When the Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994, the US, the UK and Russia were prohibited from using military or economic force against Ukraine. That's a fact, too.
Want more facts? Russia [B]invaded[/B] sovereign Ukrainian territory when they [B]invaded[/B] Crimea in 2014 in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. When Russia [B]invaded[/B] Ukraine in 2022, the did so, again, in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. Those are all facts. You may not like them but they are facts.
The only people who think that "we must follow what our leaders tell us" are the brain-dead supporters of Donnie the Dumbass.
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/place/Donbas[/URL] and [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas[/URL] and [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum[/URL] There are hundreds of articles that say the same thing.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2757653]Oh yes. Orwellian. ... the information they're about to consume comes from a company associated with Putin's Russia, the land of homicidal maniacs and audacious liars.[/QUOTE]Only if you have drank the Kool Aid and beleive that your own Govt is any better. History shows clearly that it is not. USA is the most corrupt government there is. That's exactly why they need things like Factcheck to prevent us from thinking otherwise.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2757665]Three posts almost in a row about how Factcheck and Fact Checkers just don't have a handle on the facts .... And not one of them contains a single linked source to refute any of the facts cited and fully substantiated in my posts on the topics at hand.
[/QUOTE]Wht are you talking about? I was writing about Factcheck. Why on Earth would that "refute any of the facts cited and fully substantiated in my posts"?
"Classic. ".
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2757789]
Here's a little history for you. The Donbas (and Crimea) was a part of Ukraine following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The only people who think that "we must follow what our leaders tell us" are the brain-dead supporters of Donnie the Dumbass.
[/QUOTE]You really are snagged in your own net of popaganda. Even a post about Facebook, and you have to trurn it in to an attack on Chump. You guys' brains are so warped.
My post said claimed nothing about the accuracy of the article on the history of Donbass. You made that bit up so you could again attack smthg you are comfortable with. The post was about the state censorship of free speech. Attack that please.
[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2757595]Has everyone noticed the media coverage and tv ads leading up to the November election. 95% of all the democrats running for office in 2022 did not invite Biden to campaign for them. Biden is a liability on the campaign trail. Democrats acknowledge that every time Biden speaks it shows he is senile and incompetent. The TV ads now have democrats denouncing Biden agenda. 95% of the democrats are now campaigning on a secure border. Get tough on crime. More police. All the democrats who voted along with Biden on the border issues all say they will go against him if reelected. All the democrats who cut funding and staffing on police forces are now pro police for another week. They lied to get elected in the past and are lying to try to get re-elected again. It won't work in the swing states but it will work in the socialist states like California and parts of New York where the people aren't smart enough to see through the lies. It is going to a great election for America in a week. Democracy will return to USA.[/QUOTE]So true. Seeing it a lot in Arizona where Kelly is up for re-election in AZ. He voted with Biden 95% of the time. He voted to stop building the wall in Arizona and now the tv ads show him in total support of border security and totally against Biden administration on the border.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2755438]Yeah, I get it. Eisenhower was a lucky General, a WWII victory icon and a likeable, Do Nothing Repub POTUS. Hence, his high approval ratings.[/QUOTE]No "high approval ratings" because of extremely low unemployment rates, super low inflation, and a 45% increase in average income, a big rise in union influence plus a decrease in federal spending as a % of GDP. And the on the ground facts, of Americans enjoying a range of new home appliances while buying second cars and enjoying vacations on a new interstate highway system. Your "Republican good, Democrat bad" dichotomy comes crashing down in the face of your posturing here, even as bad as your reaching back to blame Lincoln for the Civil War. You are a hack hitting two many shots in your budget retirement haven, while Pach of course is an actual, credible historian. Your are even too ignorant to know that the Republican party of the 1860's was an entirely different animal to that of recent times. LOL.
[URL]https://millercenter.org/president/eisenhower/domestic-affairs[/URL]
P.S. We see your regular fallacy, that of the filibuster. You type out War and Peace hoping no one will read all the hogwash.
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2757789]The "history of the Donbas"?
Here's a little history for you. The Donbas (and Crimea) was a part of Ukraine following the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's a fact. When Ukraine was formed in 1991,80-some-odd percent of the Donbas [B]supported[/B] independence from Russia. That is also a FACT. When the Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994, the US, the UK and Russia were prohibited from using military or economic force against Ukraine. That's a fact, too.
Want more facts? Russia [B]invaded[/B] sovereign Ukrainian territory when they [B]invaded[/B] Crimea in 2014 in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. When Russia [B]invaded[/B] Ukraine in 2022, the did so, again, in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. Those are all facts. You may not like them but they are facts.
The only people who think that "we must follow what our leaders tell us" are the brain-dead supporters of Donnie the Dumbass.
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/place/Donbas[/URL] and [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas[/URL] and [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum[/URL] There are hundreds of articles that say the same thing.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.cc.com/video/8067fc/the-colbert-report-crisis-in-ukraine-gideon-rose[/URL]
This is literally a 3 minute video on how stupid the Dems have been with Ukraine since back from around 2014. Colbert was joking that we might get "punched in the face" by Russia but he was on target, and you will notice that unlike with Obama, Biden had no problem being confrontational with Putin which of course led to the invasion.
And now, and this is the part I love, the media is saying Russia was unprovoked which is the biggest lie going.
So the real Ukraine issue, just like with energy, is not the binary difference between Trump and Biden but the binary difference between Obama and Biden. Obama was cautious with Putin and kept us out of war and Biden was stupidly confrontational.
This is why these dumb Dems and their false binary vision of the world falls on its face. These Democratic douches cannot handle someone who knows what Obama was doing and saying I support Obama's approach with Ukraine and energy and not Biden's. You have douches like Spidy and Tooms who have one basic defense to this: to lie and name call.
With Spidy, you are a Trumpster. Or if you are the pro-censorship idiot Tooms, you claim that another person is a Trumpster without even knowing it. To them, the Democratic position has always been the same when in fact it has been vastly different between administrations and they are just too fucking stupid to know it.
The funniest recent thing was when the most ultra left of the Dems in Congress just put out an anti-war statement and then ran it back. That is the thing if you want to be a Democratic douche. You have to have a very short memory. Any fact that does not go into your stupid robot like media driven Democratic douche mindset is tossed aside with the phrase "never mind" being uttered.
One literally cannot take these douches seriously anymore. They are suffering from mental illness.
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2757789]The "history of the Donbas"?
Here's a little history for you. The Donbas (and Crimea) was a part of Ukraine following the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's a fact. When Ukraine was formed in 1991,80-some-odd percent of the Donbas [B]supported[/B] independence from Russia. That is also a FACT. When the Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994, the US, the UK and Russia were prohibited from using military or economic force against Ukraine. That's a fact, too.
Want more facts? Russia [B]invaded[/B] sovereign Ukrainian territory when they [B]invaded[/B] Crimea in 2014 in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. When Russia [B]invaded[/B] Ukraine in 2022, the did so, again, in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. Those are all facts. You may not like them but they are facts.
The only people who think that "we must follow what our leaders tell us" are the brain-dead supporters of Donnie the Dumbass.
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/place/Donbas[/URL] and [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas[/URL] and [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum[/URL] There are hundreds of articles that say the same thing.[/QUOTE]JustTK's definition of "thinking for himself" obviously involves embracing Kremlin propaganda and like far left hogwash from their buttboy Max Blumenthal. Sucking up to Russia is not exclusive to Tucker Carlson fans, is found on the other side of the spectrum as well.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2757365]Lula wins and democracy, get a heartbeat and is resuscitated. Democracy, is alive and well in Brazil, again!
[B]Da Silva wins Brazil presidential election, ends Bolsonaro era for now[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/da-silva-wins-brazil-presidential-election-ends-bolsonaro-era-rcna54650 [/URL][/QUOTE]And his opponents are blocking the roads, screaming about the stolen election, while Bolsonaro refuses to concede.
I wonder where we've seen all that before.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2757833]Only if you have drank the Kool Aid and beleive that your own Govt is any better. History shows clearly that it is not. USA is the most corrupt government there is. That's exactly why they need things like Factcheck to prevent us from thinking otherwise.[/QUOTE]Yes, my government is better than Putin's Russia.
Your government, unless you're simply a Putin's troll, is better than Putin's Russia, too.
There is no country in the world that are more homicidal than Putin's Russia.
There is no big country on planet Earth (and very few small ones) that are more corrupt than Putin's Russia.
Now, go sip some more.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2757834]Wht are you talking about? I was writing about Factcheck. Why on Earth would that "refute any of the facts cited and fully substantiated in my posts"?
"Classic.[/QUOTE]Your latest anti-Factcheck and anti-fact checkers series was in response to my Factcheck link showing how you, Elvis and other anti-vax, Covid response conspiracy proponents misrepresented the facts of what was said and has ever been expected of a vaccine.
You - "BTW Factcheck is another state-bought organization, just like the media and social media."
Remember?
Actually, that would make it at least four posts from you insisting that Factcheck did not provide nearly the accurate substantiation for what they cited in my link to them as what you pull out of your butt with no substantiation at all.
Well, ok, to make it even easier for you to understand what I am talking about, try this:
Give us some fact-based substantiation that refutes the facts cited in the Factcheck link I provided to refute the facts they cited instead of a fifth post about how we should not believe them and should believe what wingers pull out of their butts instead.
[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2757595]Has everyone noticed the media coverage and tv ads leading up to the November election. 95% of all the democrats running for office in 2022 did not invite Biden to campaign for them. Biden is a liability on the campaign trail. Democrats acknowledge that every time Biden speaks it shows he is senile and incompetent. The TV ads now have democrats denouncing Biden agenda. 95% of the democrats are now campaigning on a secure border. Get tough on crime. More police. All the democrats who voted along with Biden on the border issues all say they will go against him if reelected. All the democrats who cut funding and staffing on police forces are now pro police for another week. They lied to get elected in the past and are lying to try to get re-elected again. It won't work in the swing states but it will work in the socialist states like California and parts of New York where the people aren't smart enough to see through the lies. It is going to a great election for America in a week. Democracy will return to USA.[/QUOTE]More well-funded cops and fewer guns on the street, the preferred popular solution to dealing with Trump's Pandemic, politically-motivated and cop-killing incited crime is the Biden and Dem agenda.
Defunding and putting fewer cops and more guns on the street is the Repub agenda. All of them.
Dems are not shying away from aligning themselves with Biden's well known agenda and legislative accomplishments. In fact, too many Repubs who voted against Biden's historic legislation are ALSO running on the benefits of them! LOL.
And, of course, every Repub in the House voted to Defund the Police:
[B]'Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman[/B]
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks[/URL]
[QUOTE]Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.[/QUOTE]Additionally, since all but 2-3 of these particular first midterms for a new presidency since the Civil War (essentially the beginning of the Repub Party) saw losses in Congress for the new presidency's Party, as a matter of long, long time tradition having zero to do with the POTUS' agenda, age, height, weight, hair, "wokeness", transgenders, crime, peace, prosperity, inflation, recession or anything more than simple tradition, why would the candidates in WH's Party want to draw greater attention to their connection to it?
Yeah, yeah, I know; "ADP is a liberal, left-leaning, biased, fake news organization with a pro Dem agenda. ".
Lolol.
[B]Private payrolls up 239,000 in October while wages rose 7.7%, ADP says[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/02/adp-jobs-report-october-2022.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Companies added 239,000 positions in October, ahead of the Dow Jones estimate of 195,000 and up slightly from the previous month, ADP reported Wednesday.
Most of the gains came from the leisure and hospitality industry, which added 210,000 positions while wages rose 11.2% for the sector.
Wages overall rose 7.7% from a year ago, down just slightly from the September pace.[/QUOTE]By the way, how are China and Russia doing lately?
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2757837]You really are snagged in your own net of popaganda. Even a post about Facebook, and you have to trurn it in to an attack on Chump. You guys' brains are so warped.
My post said claimed nothing about the accuracy of the article on the history of Donbass. You made that bit up so you could again attack smthg you are comfortable with. The post was about the state censorship of free speech. Attack that please.[/QUOTE]First, I never attacked Donnie the Dumbass. Rather, I attacked the supporters of Donnie the Dumbass. There is (supposedly) a difference.
And if "free speech" is censored, how come I was able to find the articles [B]on the internet[/B]? In countries where "free speech" is really censored (North Korea, Iran, Belarus, China, Cuba, etc), the internet is isn't even available.