FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[QUOTE=MrHo;2235806]Upsell is OK as long as session is given, I do not mind 150 euro per one hour session, above that is where it get too rip off for me to choose 50 euro 30 min session bang hard and out the room.[/QUOTE]There should be an un-oficcial price list for our newbie mongers what should be included in each price. In example.

For 50/30 min you get the basic CBJ+sex.

For 100/30 min you get above +/ or CIM / DATY.

For 100/60 min you get?

For 150/60 min you get etc etc etc.

This price list should be based on experience by older mongers or frequent visitors. Even better each club on ISG board should have it's own price list.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2235806]Upsell is OK as long as session is given, I do not mind 150 euro per one hour session, above that is where it get too rip off for me to choose 50 euro 30 min session bang hard and out the room.[/QUOTE]Now I know who is the guy who is overpaying, are you aware that 1 hour is 100 euros, you are also the guy who so many girls from World are laughing about.

I do not mind 150 euro one hour session GFE service, above that for me is no longer mild upsell or upsell, but ripp off.

I have been asked 200 euro one hour, if that is 2 cum all GFE service, I may buy into it if service is delivered.

The problem occur when girls ask too much and even you pay they hold back service, then it make me go to other clubs like in nrw region where service is there.

As for NL YY, I have to try it out.

Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2236151]Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?[/QUOTE]Sometimes with other German senior mongers we are discussing about the clubs to go or to strictly not to go, always Palace, Artemis, LR are on the top of the list of the clubs who are the worse.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2236151]Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?[/QUOTE]In Palace there is a bog difference in looks. Some girls are 8 or 9 and some others are under 5. Not many average look in my opinion. So it depends if you are lucky or not the day you go.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2236151]Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?[/QUOTE]For my eyes, much more interesting casting with woman looks at Palace, rather than lack of charm and elegance at Sharks or Oase, and probably World. Mainhattan also very average for looks for me, except tall Eva and Marina.

North is far higher for me at the moment, with 3 interesting clubs for casting, 1 is for only 1 girl. Palace is fourth for me in Germany, Sharks sixth at the moment after Samya.

Except Germans at YY, but not pretty Romanians, no upselling on north.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2236151]Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?[/QUOTE]Usually I don't care for the majority of the LU, and only interest in the ones I end up talking to. At Mainhattan, two I was interested in proposed 100 for half HR and 150 for 1 HR of GFE services. I don't care to dig for girls of optics I don't find attractive so I was disappointed and left. Same situation with couple new girls at Sharks.

Highly doubtful Palace is better. I"m sure the club set the standard for upsells, and it is a city club like Mainhattan.

With such conditions, why not check out Parasise in Stuttgart? Fra isn't really better anymore.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2236151]Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?[/QUOTE]I find Oase as bad as palace for upselling.

As for Palace upsell has been there since day one, but I find service better at Palace than Oase, though I got very limited visit to Oase, but it was not good one in aspect of service, but optic was found in Oase.

Palace, I would say optic is there always find one or two stunner, but not many more than that LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2236300]I find Oase as bad as palace for upselling.

As for Palace upsell has been there since day one, but I find service better at Palace than Oase, though I got very limited visit to Oase, but it was not good one in aspect of service, but optic was found in Oase.

Palace, I would say optic is there always find one or two stunner, but not many more than that LOL.[/QUOTE]My two favorite clubs in the Frankfurt area are Palace and Oase. Never had a really bad session at either. Always find several tutes I like optics-wise on any particular visit. Never any upselling. But, I think the reason for the latter is that there is no real need to upsell a guy like me. I enjoy hour-long sessions with anal. Already they're about to make some good money. Especially if I got for BBBJ / CIM service.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2236044]There should be an un-oficcial price list for our newbie mongers what should be included in each price. In example.

For 50/30 min you get the basic CBJ+sex.

For 100/30 min you get above +/ or CIM / DATY.

For 100/60 min you get?

For 150/60 min you get etc etc etc.

This price list should be based on experience by older mongers or frequent visitors. Even better each club on ISG board should have it's own price list.[/QUOTE]Well, Standard Rate in any FKK in Germany is this (you can confirm this asking any local German monger):

50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. Only extras are CIM for 50 e (some will swallow as well with this), and Anal for 100 e. Every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. Even if the session is for 2 hours, if you do multiple Anal sex with the WG in that session, your extra for Anal is only 100 e one time. Same for CIM. Even if you do CIM 3 times in a 2 hours session, you pay only one time 50 e for CIM extra, but of course you also pay 200 e for the 2 hour session. Please note that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is. Few exceptions are these: at Artemis in Berlin it's 60 e for 30 minutes for the same service listed above, in the RTC or AO clubs rates are 30-40% cheaper, and in NRW extras are 25 e for CIM, 50 e for Anal.

Any monger can pay any higher (or even lower), it's his personal choice. But if you want to get a fair price and value at the standard rate, just stick to the standard rate and remember that every WG needs your money more than you need the sex with her. For you it's just fun and no big deal if you don't use her service, but for her it's money from you that feeds herself and most cases her family back home in Romania or Bulgaria or some other EE country. If majority of the mongers are smart enough, they can always get the fair standard rate deal and eventually even the sharky girls will agree to the standard rates. This is Germany, not USA or China or Australia or any other country where there is really no standard rate as there is no structured system for Sex Industry. Let's not help make Germany same as USA or any of these countries for Sex Industry.

Have a great time. It's your money, you decide how smartly (or not) you want to use it for your happiness.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2236442]Well, Standard Rate in any FKK in Germany is this (you can confirm this asking any local German monger):

50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. .[/QUOTE]I think we had the same conversation either here or in another topic and I said that I have never had all that for 50 e. Some other mongers also agreed with me. I don't think we need to do the same again. Fact is that I have visited 4 clubs till now and I have never had all that for 50 euro. Not to mention that none of the girls accepted FIV which is normal of course for them.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2236442]Well, Standard Rate in any FKK in Germany is this (you can confirm this asking any local German monger):

50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. Only extras are CIM for 50 e (some will swallow as well with this), and Anal for 100 e. Every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. Even if the session is for 2 hours, if you do multiple Anal sex with the WG in that session, your extra for Anal is only 100 e one time. Same for CIM. Even if you do CIM 3 times in a 2 hours session, you pay only one time 50 e for CIM extra, but of course you also pay 200 e for the 2 hour session. Please note that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is. Few exceptions are these: at Artemis in Berlin it's 60 e for 30 minutes for the same service listed above, in the RTC or AO clubs rates are 30-40% cheaper, and in NRW extras are 25 e for CIM, 50 e for Anal..[/QUOTE]Wow!

Great post, thanks.

That has been my experience also, I pass by any WG that doesn't play by the rules.

I agree, they need us more than we need them.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2236442]Well, Standard Rate in any FKK in Germany is this (you can confirm this asking any local German monger):

50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all.[/QUOTE]Go to some of the plain looking 6-7's in the back of the club with cobwebs growing on them and you may be able to get this. But probably not the FIV. You're not going to get that. I had a girl spray my hands (and hers) with an anit-bac and tell me I can put my fingers anywhere but that was 100 $/30 session.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2236442]
Only extras are CIM for 50 e (some will swallow as well with this), and Anal for 100 e. [/QUOTE]Interactive 3-sum +50 Euro each girl I think.

Erotic Massage (Prostate Massage) +50 Euro.

COB by Russian or Boob massage +30 E (according to Claudia from Sharks).

Compare with NRW (from an earlier report of mine 2017 and 2018:

1/2 hour with a girl - 50 E.

1/2 hour with 2 girl - 100 E.

1/2 hour with 2 girls and they are interactive 150 E (75 E each).

1/2 hour with girl and CIM happens - 75 E (50+25 E).

Prostate massage +25 E.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2236442]
Every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. Even if the session is for 2 hours, if you do multiple Anal sex with the WG in that session, your extra for Anal is only 100 e one time. Same for CIM. Even if you do CIM 3 times in a 2 hours session, you pay only one time 50 e for CIM extra, but of course you also pay 200 e for the 2 hour session. Please note that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is. Few exceptions are these: at Artemis in Berlin it's 60 e for 30 minutes for the same service listed above, in the RTC or AO clubs rates are 30-40% cheaper, and in NRW extras are 25 e for CIM, 50 e for Anal.
[/QUOTE]The note at the top said "you can compare with any German monger. " I think I know what the problem may be. There is a common perception that German's will fuck anything. One of the Romanian girls I sessioned with said "Germans like to have sex with ugly women. " She was the hottest girl of the trip for me. So maybe that is how German's stick to this 50 E /30 min everything? However, I don't agree. I think this is an over-generalization. It seems that every time I am in Sharks I make friends with Germans. I am pen-pals with a few German's from Stuttgart and they had very similar tastes to mine. In fact, I think we all did the same girl over the course of a day and we all paid the same price if I am not mistaken. It was a guy from Stuttgart the visit prior that told me to offer Gina an hour session for 100 E. So this is all bull. But guys from Stuttgart are not locals to the Hesse clubs anyway.

You can probably get many nice girls to go to the room for 50 E /30 min sessions but my experience is that many girls will not. I think you are a fool to travel all the way to Germany to fuck ugly girls and old women and to settle for less desirable women just so you can write in this forum that all your sessions were 50 E /30 minute sessions. It is futile to try to stem the tide of inflation during your annual visits.

Oh and one more thing: There is no way that a girl is going to turn down my offer for 100 E /30 min for a session with a [U]BJ I like[/U] and a [U]finish to that BJ that I like [/U] and go with a German guy or a frequent tourist that writes in this forum for 50 E /30 M and give them 50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. That is nothing but bullshit.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2232821]
Delta in Coach class and it wasn't even comfort plus. In fact I saved 800 $ by going back on a Sunday. My flight was just over $2,000 this time.
.[/QUOTE]Go on Delta today. I logged on yesterday at night and Comfort+ from Austin thru Atlanta to Frankfurt in the early spring was over $1600 but coach was $636. I hate flying coach being taller but with $100 off using some miles the ticket was $536 and I might get upgraded with Medallion status two months prior to flight if Comfort Plus is not sold out but if not I do not think one can beat $536 RT; my flight to Arizona for the annual spring training family trip is more! So is the Phoenix hotel than the Frankfurt ones! Go buy your Delta tickets now to the land of DFK / FIV for 50 Euros!! Germany's finest WGs await your filthy fingers!

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2236565]Go to some of the plain looking 6-7's in the back of the club with cobwebs growing on them and you may be able to get this. But probably not the FIV. You're not going to get that. I had a girl spray my hands (and hers) with an anit-bac and tell me I can put my fingers anywhere but that was 100 $/30 session.

You can probably get many nice girls to go to the room for 50 E /30 min sessions but my experience is that many girls will not. I think you are a fool to travel all the way to Germany to fuck ugly girls and old women and to settle for less desirable women just so you can write in this forum that all your sessions were 50 E /30 minute sessions. It is futile to try to stem the tide of inflation during your annual visits.

Oh and one more thing: There is no way that a girl is going to turn down my offer for 100 E /30 min for a session with a [U]BJ I like[/U] and a [U]finish to that BJ that I like [/U] and go with a German guy or a frequent tourist that writes in this forum for 50 E /30 M and give them 50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. That is nothing but bullshit.[/QUOTE]HS.

You raise some excellent points. I think you are correct, even at Mainhatten I find ' cheaters' in the middle tiers (not the top tier girls) and at the bottom of the food chain deals can be had. In general as many have pointed out, these girls don't want fingers shoved in there, bacteria and hangnails etc can knock them out of work several days or longer. YMMV as always but the hot girls aren't going to be rejecting your high (er) offers to go get some less paying guys bacterial laced fingers jammed up there for less money. I don't like to call bullshit really on anyone, I think much has been discussed in posts and many more times in backchannels about this ' wedding night 50 e' talk going around and IMHO I have full faith in this group as a whole to do with all that is posted in this thread and others to read and decipher and apply their own experiences and that of their friends to what they have read and walk away with their own opinions on the variances presented. Some may come up with the exact same conclusions you do but even if they do perhaps in a way it is good a voice is out there hammering home especially to new guys what ' would be nice' or ' what was' in the Land of Oz simply to encourage new guys to study and research hard and fight for their Euros. I agree Artemis is more, I am sure the NRW has better deals but '50 e wedding nights throughout the Land of Hessen with the Precious Princesses?? '.

I highly doubt Aladdin is floating around the skies of Hessen on his magic carpet ride (soon to be Santa Clause and his flying sleigh full of gifts for Romanian children) landing on the roofs of the Big 5 (especially Palace and Mainhatten) and stuffing 50 Euros notes with their greasy hands and fingers up these Precious Princesses cervixes!

Readers can decide for themselves just note the previous statement does not include the middle or lower tiered girls who will probably give Santa Clause and Aladdin a special two for one wedding night for 50!! If you ask me a true top tiered Shark would tell Aladdin and Santa to go fuck themselves if they asked for a 50 wedding night. As they would me. As they would you. But hey, if some guys want the internet fantasy they can fuck the Oase Queens (one who is well documented to have charged a very well known and IMHO very wise and astute regular FKK attendee for a 150 e BBBJ hour) than let them. That guy who reviewed the Oase Queen for 150 e is a fine example of ' truth in reporting. ' And than there is the ' Fake News' channel, just tune it out if it bothers you, the proof is in the pudding you don't need to prove anything HS. You had a good trip, congrats!

You're right about what that Romanian girl told you, a few told me similar along the lines that a local price point driven and determined German / Turk will lower their standards to get their price but unless they are a well known long time regular to that girl if they are in the upper tier ' no way' especially to the FIV. The middle tiers will play ball and the lower tiers will give it up for 50 so there is truth to ' 50 e everything' can be found at Sharks or Oase type places but are the top tiered girls giving it all up for 50 ?

Not fond of the channel but let's say ' we report, you decide. ' There have been enough reviews posted and stories shared many perhaps in the private message system to mix in with some of these PSA pricing structures of wedding nights for 50 e (maybe Sharks management will toss in some champagne too so the guy can stick his finger in the bottle of booze to serve as a disinfectant for the always included FIV.) At the end of the day I will go where I want, see who I want at the club (s) I enjoy the most and sometimes price is not everything, so many guys can fixate on price when in my experience (which is all I can speak for) much more than simply the Euro amount goes in to the melting pot when I decide on a club, a girl and a session. My melting pot maybe be different than the next guys and so on, neither of us are right or wrong; we simply do what floats our own boat.

At the end of the day HS we can only focus on ' us' and what we can accomplishment and enjoy with these girls and pay what we are comfortable with, we may be crazy but we aren't idiots and certainly can read between the lines as can others. It's just an internet post. It's just guys sitting behind a keyboard. Sitting behind a keyboard any guy can get a wedding night and shove his entire foot up some girl's kunt at Sharks who usually does 1000 e appts all day with fly ins from around the world, those types always give 50 e wedding nights but only if your fingers are over 8 inches long, not manicured and have dangling hangnails. Most of these girls will often request you not use mouthwash or offer you gum either as they really get off with DFK with some guy with horrible breath and bacteria in his mouth as well. If one matches that description they are in luck!