FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;2254685]Ahahaha love that attitude by Mr. Ho. Indeed, this is what such bitches deserve. So make sure a girl like that is your first for the day. Pour all your energy into her pussy as a punishment. Yet be prepared that she would be still asking you to stop. Pretend you didn't listen.[/QUOTE]Well, it put me or experienced monger in hard situation when girls think they can fool you and put you in situation where you got only two choices that are give into their bad service extreme up sell price and get totally ripped off or cut session to 30 min just do doggy hardcore cum and pay 60 euro.

I do not like doing this, but some girls sometimes put you in place where you got no choice and hardcore hard fucking only cum session punishment session is good for just 60 euro, you know get rid of stress you got from her behavior LOL.

Some FKK girls do not understand that in any negotiation both parties have to benefit, but with some of girls, it is only them. , so they get what they get which is 60 euro and my hardcore banging from back LOL.

Again I do not mind mild upsell in exchange for good service, but when they extreme up sell me, I go for 30 min 60 euro punishment session.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;2254685]Ahahaha love that attitude by Mr. Ho. Indeed, this is what such bitches deserve. So make sure a girl like that is your first for the day. Pour all your energy into her pussy as a punishment. Yet be prepared that she would be still asking you to stop. Pretend you didn't listen.[/QUOTE]I hope others join me in the opinion that this is disgusting and has no place here. Being violent with a woman because you are angry at her is unacceptable and beneath all of us.

I have no issue with rough sex that is agreed by both parties and paid for. But what you are suggesting is not that. And it's just appalling to suggest such a thing much less actually do it.

Steve, I disagree. A straight vaginal intercourse is not violence. Any fucking, fucking as hard as man can is not violent, it's normal in P6. Most Turkish men fuck really hard, girls expect it and prepare to endure the pounding. Some will try to avoid certain positions, like doggy, to prevent deeper penetration.

Things may change with a larger size dick, which is relatively rare. WGs are professionals, they suppose to measure up and declare upfront what restrictions they want to impose on the session. Some girls say upfront they cannot fuck with such size dick. Others will ask to "go slow" or "go easy", which is a grey area. A man should cancel if he knows he will not finish if unable to fuck hard. Forcing it on her if she is asking to go easy is not good, I do not advocate for it, but is still not violence as long as she does not ask a man to stop. The boundary is when she tries to escape and says stop.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2255539]I hope others join me in the opinion that this is disgusting and has no place here. Being violent with a woman because you are angry at her is unacceptable and beneath all of us.

I have no issue with rough sex that is agreed by both parties and paid for. But what you are suggesting is not that. And it's just appalling to suggest such a thing much less actually do it.[/QUOTE]Because of sweet heart like you, upsell get worst, I am talking just hard humping that involve no violence, I just going to do her hard doggy position, pay 60 euro and I am out of room. Or what buy into extreme upsell, no way!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2255539]I hope others join me in the opinion that this is disgusting and has no place here. Being violent with a woman because you are angry at her is unacceptable and beneath all of us. I have no issue with rough sex that is agreed by both parties and paid for. But what you are suggesting is not that. And it's just appalling to suggest such a thing much less actually do it.[/QUOTE]Totally agree and very good you say this.

Says a lot about authors, not there has been much doubt. Not only that they do it (one wonders really do they?), but feel they have to write and gloat about it, in public?! Just all part of how thread has gone off helping and informing others to make good choices, to weird diary notes that should be read to therapist. And just silly to think such behavior will somehow teach a woman a lesson, other than what jerks men can be. Lesson already well known. It is amazing really that FKK scene is relatively calm when so many strong emotions and twisted psychology forces can get released.

This is down side of paid sex-idea that the act must be of a certain performance level and if not, it is simply girl's fault. Reality much more complex. Mood of both people at that moment, chemistry, etc. Not like going to supermarket or department store where produce or product has no conscious emotion or will. Of course, if you really want to act out 19th century childish macho bullshit and never hear complaints or get bad sex, and cannot wait for Westworld, there is good solution: [url]https://dolls-escort-berlin.com/girls/[/url]

Rule is simple. If you not enjoy session, you simply stop, discuss getting some or all money back, and if necessary complain to management. And for wannabee punishers, time may come when girl complains to management about you and you get ban from club.

Contrary to the posts I've read in this forum over the last few months, I found myself having an EXCELLENT time during my two visits to Artemis the last week of November 2018. I am a fly-in monger from North America. So, I admit that I am not as cost conscious as my Euro friends. The luxury of having so many beautiful women in one place at one time is well worth the cost to me, since I visit so infrequently. The biggest surprise of the visit was the attitude of the women I sessioned with. I had four sessions, and each lady gave a full GFE, even when I wasn't in the mood for it. Also, they were all willing to indulge my smoking fetish at no extra charge. Perhaps because I negotiated up front for 1 hour with 2 extras for 220 in all cases. But, we enjoyed full one hours, no rush, no further upsell, go at my pace, etc.

Gigi. German (Cologne). Gorgeous. Blonde tall slim with small boobs. Looked bored and uninterested at the bar. But once I started talking to her, she lit up and her charming personality shined through. We talked in between the play, and I learned much about her tattoos and plans from more in the future, as well as her plans to get implants in a few weeks. Really acted like she enjoyed her work. Was able to make me cum twice. She asked me for DATY. Smoking Fetish, DATY, BBBJ, CIM.

Arase (- Moldovan. Beautiful. Brunette, slim, with huge globe shaped implants. Not a smoker, but she happily agreed to my smoking fetish request and did so quite well. Again, pleasant conversation about her country, Berlin, and music. Suggested some interesting positions. Smoking Fetish, DATY, BBBJ, CIM.

Nikita. Russian. Not exactly my type in the face. But good body. And she and her energy in the bar area enticed me. I was exhausted, and she had her work cut out for her, but she came through. Smoking fetish, DATY, BBBJ, CIM.

Dalia. Romaninan. Beautiful round face and huge fake boobs on a skinny body. Fantastic GFE. We chatted about travel and movies and family. Creative positions, and wow was she full of energy, maybe I was her first of the night. Suggested I go for two cums as soon as we entered the room. She asked me for DATY, too. Smoking fetish, DATY, BBBJ, CIM.

If anyone has contact with any of these girls, let me know please, I'd love to chat with them.

[QUOTE=WilliamHuntley;2255850]Contrary to the posts I've read in this forum over the last few months, I found myself having an EXCELLENT time during my two visits to Artemis the last week of November 2018. I am a fly-in monger from North America. So, I admit that I am not as cost conscious as my Euro friends. The luxury of having so many beautiful women in one place at one time is well worth the cost to me, since I visit so infrequently. The biggest surprise of the visit was the attitude of the women I sessioned with. I had four sessions, and each lady gave a full GFE, even when I wasn't in the mood for it. Also, they were all willing to indulge my smoking fetish at no extra charge. Perhaps because I negotiated up front for 1 hour with 2 extras for 220 in all cases. But, we enjoyed full one hours, no rush, no further upsell, go at my pace, etc..[/QUOTE]2 extras? As in anal and CIM extras?

[QUOTE=WilliamHuntley;2255850]Contrary to the posts I've read in this forum over the last few months, I found myself having an EXCELLENT time during my two visits to Artemis the last week of November 2018. I am a fly-in monger from North America. So, I admit that I am not as cost conscious as my Euro friends. The luxury of having so many beautiful women in one place at one time is well worth the cost to me, since I visit so infrequently. The biggest surprise of the visit was the attitude of the women I sessioned with. I had four sessions, and each lady gave a full GFE, even when I wasn't in the mood for it. Also, they were all willing to indulge my smoking fetish at no extra charge. Perhaps because I negotiated up front for 1 hour with 2 extras for 220 in all cases. But, we enjoyed full one hours, no rush, no further upsell, go at my pace, etc.
[/QUOTE]Excellent review! I too am a fly-in from North America and the way you look at the costs I do too which is why I will go to Mainhatten often and pay market for THAT club. I do average down with The Gypsies. Since I do go often sometimes I pass on Mainhatten for months and play cheap ball only as I ride the ups and downs of Wall Street. Nice rally this week.

Good for the Gypsies. Good for the Red Toweled Gypsies.

I also have a smoking fetish and pleased they let you enjoy it ' on the house. '.

I think what stands out is the great attitudes you found. A recent review at Palace indicated the same. My experience at Mainhatten has been the exact same. I am not saying other clubs feature girls with bad attitudes but I find a much higher percentage of attitudes / arrogance at other places. To me that is worth paying market at these three clubs. To others, maybe not. Individual choices. I will add in all fairness I have had dozens plus sessions at Oase and Sharks for 50 or 100 where the girls did not upsell and had great attitudes.

[QUOTE=WilliamHuntley;2255850]Contrary to the posts I've read in this forum over the last few months, I found myself having an EXCELLENT time during my two visits to Artemis the last week of November 2018. I am a fly-in monger from North America. So, I admit that I am not as cost conscious as my Euro friends. The luxury of having so many beautiful women in one place at one time is well worth the cost to me, since I visit so infrequently. The biggest surprise of the visit was the attitude of the women I sessioned with. I had four sessions, and each lady gave a full GFE, even when I wasn't in the mood for it. Also, they were all willing to indulge my smoking fetish at no extra charge. Perhaps because I negotiated up front for 1 hour with 2 extras for 220 in all cases. But, we enjoyed full one hours, no rush, no further upsell, go at my pace, etc.

Gigi. German (Cologne). Gorgeous. Blonde tall slim with small boobs. Looked bored and uninterested at the bar. But once I started talking to her, she lit up and her charming personality shined through. We talked in between the play, and I learned much about her tattoos and plans from more in the future, as well as her plans to get implants in a few weeks. Really acted like she enjoyed her work. Was able to make me cum twice. She asked me for DATY. Smoking Fetish, DATY, BBBJ, CIM.

Arase (- Moldovan. Beautiful. Brunette, slim, with huge globe shaped implants. Not a smoker, but she happily agreed to my smoking fetish request and did so quite well. Again, pleasant conversation about her country, Berlin, and music. Suggested some interesting positions. Smoking Fetish, DATY, BBBJ, CIM.

Nikita. Russian. Not exactly my type in the face. But good body. And she and her energy in the bar area enticed me. I was exhausted, and she had her work cut out for her, but she came through. Smoking fetish, DATY, BBBJ, CIM.

Dalia. Romaninan. Beautiful round face and huge fake boobs on a skinny body. Fantastic GFE. We chatted about travel and movies and family. Creative positions, and wow was she full of energy, maybe I was her first of the night. Suggested I go for two cums as soon as we entered the room. She asked me for DATY, too. Smoking fetish, DATY, BBBJ, CIM.

If anyone has contact with any of these girls, let me know please, I'd love to chat with them.[/QUOTE]I reco never start to chat with girls and especially with Artemis one, most of them are in relation with Berlin HA.

[QUOTE=WilliamHuntley;2255850]Contrary to the posts I've read in this forum over the last few months, I found myself having an EXCELLENT time during my two visits to Artemis the last week of November 2018. I am a fly-in monger from North America. So, I admit that I am not as cost conscious as my Euro friends. The luxury of having so many beautiful women in one place at one time is well worth the cost to me, since I visit so infrequently. The biggest surprise of the visit was the attitude of the women I sessioned with. I had four sessions, and each lady gave a full GFE, even when I wasn't in the mood for it. Also, they were all willing to indulge my smoking fetish at no extra charge. Perhaps because I negotiated up front for 1 hour with 2 extras for 220 in all cases. But, we enjoyed full one hours, no rush, no further upsell, go at my pace, etc.

Gigi. German (Cologne). Gorgeous. Blonde tall slim with small boobs. Looked bored and uninterested at the bar. But once I started talking to her, she lit up and her charming personality shined through. We talked in between the play, and I learned much about her tattoos and plans from more in the future, as well as her plans to get implants in a few weeks. Really acted like she enjoyed her work. Was able to make me cum twice. She asked me for DATY. Smoking Fetish, DATY, BBBJ, CIM..[/QUOTE]220 an hour is not a negotiation price. It is a price where one gets raped. LOL. All of what you just described is really done for 170. Artemis is an expensive club, but for 220 an hour is really unnecessary, even at Artemis. 170 is the higher range of the service you describe. I've seen worst thought, people who paid 220 and got nothing. But for future reference, negotiation means 170 for all that and even in Artemis the girl will be super pleased.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2256287]220 an hour is not a negotiation price. It is a price where one gets raped. LOL. All of what you just described is really done for 170. Artemis is an expensive club, but for 220 an hour is really unnecessary, even at Artemis. 170 is the higher range of the service you describe. I've seen worst thought, people who paid 220 and got nothing. But for future reference, negotiation means 170 for all that and even in Artemis the girl will be super pleased.[/QUOTE]How do you arrive at 170 out of curiosity. Steve6969 has been there several times recently found this generalized pricing list he posted.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2247801]The standard pricing was 60 base, which I of course was not interested in. Then 50 extra for that extra you don't talk about without whispering, and 50 for kissing. All the girls seem to bundle DATY and some level of FIV with the kissing option. I did have one girl offer kissing for 20 but there was no DATY or FIV with that. So generally 160 a half and 220 a whole for a full experience.
[/QUOTE]If 60 is base for a rushed no thrills half hour and the guy adds on 2 extras (usually 50 each w exception Anal at 100) as reported by William Huntley than William's two extras would be 100 e plus the 60 e which is close to the 170 you mentioned. However, that is a half hour session, tack on the fact it was an hour with some extras this guy did than price (based on Steve's post) would be higher than the 170 all inclusive you are suggesting.

So I ask how you break down your numbers.

To arrive at a ' wedding night' 170 e Artemis hour?

The smoking fetish aside of course as there was no charge for inhaling carcinogens. The extras I am not sure of as to what he enjoyed or paid for or didn't but your 170 for ' all that' seems low...

[QUOTE=Danny227;2256287]220 an hour is not a negotiation price. It is a price where one gets raped. LOL. All of what you just described is really done for 170. Artemis is an expensive club, but for 220 an hour is really unnecessary, even at Artemis. 170 is the higher range of the service you describe. I've seen worst thought, people who paid 220 and got nothing. But for future reference, negotiation means 170 for all that and even in Artemis the girl will be super pleased.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, sir, to each his own. I believe this to be standard pricing from what I read on this site.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2256323]So I ask how you break down your numbers.

To arrive at a ' wedding night' 170 e Artemis hour?

The smoking fetish aside of course as there was no charge for inhaling carcinogens. The extras I am not sure of as to what he enjoyed or paid for or didn't but your 170 for ' all that' seems low...[/QUOTE]I am glad not to be Danny227. But I need a post.

From what I know and if I am smart enough to take the written reports here as an evidence for what is going on in madhouse Artemis it seems to me low too. To low.

William had 4 sessions. Every room for one hour, makes a minimum of 120 e per room. He also had BBBJ - 50 e extra, CumInMouth - 50 e extra, DATY - 50 e extra, Soft Fetish, Smoking - 50 e extra (usually) and also "friendly" attitude - 50 e extra. Makes from my mathematics 370 e for one hour, but he only had paid 220 e per room and hour.

I think the girls William roomed were dumping the prices. Girls who are pushing down the official agreed prices normally get kicked out off Artemis quicker as you can say "Schabernack".

That's why I highly recommend to everybody: Please pay a girl after the session double the rate she is asking for. Just to save her from getting kicked out for dumping the prices.

I also recommend not to fly around the world just for ten minutes sex. At least not to often. The icebergs are melting.

[QUOTE=WilliamHuntley;2256324]With all due respect, sir, to each his own. I believe this to be standard pricing from what I read on this site.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Again, the pricing seemed very standardized assuming you are going with a high optics girl.

60 a half hour standard.

50 for that thing we don't say out loud anymore.

50 for DFK / DATY /(FIV, Tittie Fuck, COB) combo.

60 to add a half hour.

So, yes a full half will be 50+50+60=160 and a full hour will be another 60 so 220.

And yes, you can get 170/ HR. Just skip kissing and DATY or go CBJ and keep kissing and DATY. Both of these add to 60+50+60=170.

My experience was the kissing was lame save Emma who only charged 20 (but no FIV). So I tried to skip kissing. But if you skip kissing you are also skipping the other extras also. With Salome, I agreed a 110 half skipping the kissing the second time. But then in room she said if I want to tittie fuck (and believe me you do - with her DDs) that would be additional 50 so back to the 160 again. May as well take the bundle deal and be done with it. I was happy with my 220/hr room with Karina also.

Bottom line is Artemis is more expensive than Sharks and Oase because Sharks, Oase, Palace, and Mainhattan are an Uber away from one another. Artemis is an island and charges monopoly prices. It is what it is the only game in town.

In retrospect I wish I discovered Emma (Emmanuela) earlier as the best value for me. I adore DFK when it’s good but can forgo Daty and FIV if i must. So for 60+50+20=130 u can have a great half or 190 for a full hour. Unfortunately I discovered her dead last at 3:00AM on a Tuesday night. She was sitting on an ottoman on the right as you walk in. Long black hair, lovely eyes, really slim. She was totally naked — pussy blowing in the wind. Beautiful and hard worker (my ninth shot in two days). Definite repeat, particularly at that price and because she knows how to kiss.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2256358]Again, the pricing seemed very standardized assuming you are going with a high optics girl.

60 a half hour standard.

50 for that thing we don't say out loud anymore.

50 for DFK / DATY /(FIV, Tittie Fuck, COB) combo.

60 to add a half hour.

So, yes a full half will be 50+50+60=160 and a full hour will be another 60 so 220.

And yes, you can get 170/ HR. Just skip kissing and DATY or go CBJ and keep kissing and DATY. Both of these add to 60+50+60=170..[/QUOTE]This price is more than Globe Zurich and not acceptable LOL!