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[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2191488]Your schedule looks similar with mine. I also consider to be in city center on Friday night and maybe a visit to Palace. Let's keep in touch.
P.S. I don't know why but I can't send private message to you. Please check.
Regards.[/QUOTE]I meant what I would do in your place if I visited the time you said.
I will be happy to meet if you want some other time but I don't know how to communicate here. PM is a feature only for members who pay subscription (20 usd I think).
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2191590]Thanks for the input. Will advise my friend and make a decision.[/QUOTE]Sorry, inadvertently did not include you in my previous post. Thank you for your input.
[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2191592]I meant what I would do in your place if I visited the time you said.
I will be happy to meet if you want some other time but I don't know how to communicate here. PM is a feature only for members who pay subscription (20 usd I think).[/QUOTE]Ok understand now.
Oase is a good choice for Saturday normally but if I make world and oase than I think it is better to do oase Friday and world Saturday. (I have a free entrance ticket for world which isn't valid anymore due to date. I just hope they wouldn't notice and accept it.) because world is weak in LU but Oase is always satisfactory even on a Tuesday. I don't what shall I find in world on a typical Saturday. How many girls? How beautiful they are compared to Oase? How is service quality in same basis? Kino action?
[QUOTE=Takedown;2190681]As you know, I think the girls default to thinking that the average monger is well, a loser. Being seen as more than just a dollar bill or perhaps just a nice guy puts you in a special category of clients.
[/QUOTE]Is loser the same as beta male? Terminology you've used in the past ("showing higher value", "alpha males", "beta males", "frames") all originates from the manosphere. I won't pretend to be an expert. But I think the consensus among that community is that spending money on women, makes her potentially cast you as a beta provider rather than an alpha lover. As mongers, we of course spend money on women, that is why I bring up this point.
[URL]http://www.returnofkings.com/9115/why-money-can-no-longer-save-the-beta-male-2[/URL]
[URL]https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/the-unpalatable-truth-about-giving-women-gifts/[/URL]
Even if said monger is physically attractive, financially successful, and charming, the WG may still characterize the monger as a "loser". When assessing if a monger is a loser, the WG may observe his behavior (as Siri likes to say). Would a true alpha spend a disproportionate share of his free time in a brothel? Also, she might observe how quick and easily he "falls" for her. If said monger puts her on pedestal, spends thousands of EUR in a short span of time (when she knows him to be of modest wealth), I think she may characterize him as a loser. Based on the intensity of his "oneitis" for her, she can probably surmise a few things I. E. "This pathetic guy does not have other options in real life".
Let's take a true alpha male, Tom Brady. He is married to a supermodel AND his wife makes more money than him. If such an alpha male were to see a WG, I suspect it would just be for the adrenaline, no-strings attached convenience. I don't think he would put much effort into charming her. He probably wouldn't friend her on FB. Or ask her to hang out socially. Or risk being seen in public with her. Or buy her gifts. I know Brady is a one in a billion example of an alpha male, but I suspect even lesser alpha males would behave with WGs in similar ways. In other words, alpha males would not be so easily impressed with a WG, due to the quality and quantity of options available to them elsewhere.
[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oneitis[/URL]
[QUOTE=MrHo;2189273]Well if you are Asian looking, but speak English more or less fluently, which you clearly do, then it is a plus to be Asian in FKK because reputation is good with prompt behavior and considered as clean people with no body odor.
However, some of them pay up too much and settle easily for soft session, so some shark girls may try to target you as soft target.
It all come down to negotiation skill and I actually think it is a plus thing in FKK to be Asian if you speak the language and can negotiate.
Only down side I have being Asian in FKK is that low appearance sharky girls kept on coming up to me asking for rooms, so it is annoying to keep on saying no to them in different formats.
When ugly girls come up to me up close in FKK, it really really spoil my mood to the level do not touch me or come close to me, but I remain polite LOL.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the problem. I would say 80% of the girls that came to me were either ugly or trying to shark with crazy upsells, I had 1 girl ask for 300 E for 30 m, BBBJ, greek. Ridiculous.
But the strategy to go for girls that didn't come to me really panned out nicely. Saw 4 girls, 1 spanish, 2 Ro, 1 Turkish girl, all were top notch, 30 m BBBJ good service, the Ro's even CIMNQNS without asking (repeated with them), 50 e.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2191739]Is loser the same as beta male? Terminology you've used in the past ("showing higher value", "alpha males", "beta males", "frames") all originates from the manosphere. I won't pretend to be an expert. But I think the consensus among that community is that spending money on women, makes her potentially cast you as a beta provider rather than an alpha lover. As mongers, we of course spend money on women, that is why I bring up this point.
[URL]http://www.returnofkings.com/9115/why-money-can-no-longer-save-the-beta-male-2[/URL]
[URL]https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/the-unpalatable-truth-about-giving-women-gifts/[/URL]
Even if said monger is physically attractive, financially successful, and charming, the WG may still characterize the monger as a "loser". When assessing if a monger is a loser, the WG may observe his behavior (as Siri likes to say). Would a true alpha spend a disproportionate share of his free time in a brothel? Also, she might observe how quick and easily he "falls" for her. If said monger puts her on pedestal, spends thousands of EUR in a short span of time (when she knows him to be of modest wealth), I think she may characterize him as a loser. Based on the intensity of his "oneitis" for her, she can probably surmise a few things I. E. "This pathetic guy does not have other options in real life"..[/QUOTE]I don't think "loser" should be synonymous with "beta." The beta persona is not necessarily always an undesirable one. I see it beneficial to switch back and forth between alpha behavior and beta behavior. Can't think of a great modern anecdote to exemplify this but I hypothetically, I bet a lot of alpha cavemen died being impaled by a mammoth tusk while some betas in the clan lived through many alpha reigns as they took a more timid place at the back of a pack during a hunt.
Side note: I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the "manosphere" to which you allude. I remember reading a couple publications from some of those turn of the century "Pick Up Artist" guys and remember thinking, "this is the same stuff that they taught us in Psycho-pathology on how to therapeutically communicate with irrational patients.
Your terms of "alpha" uses a very tight and narrow definition, so I would disagree with your theory regarding the WG thoughts. Athletes and musicians are very much alphas in society and they pay strippers and working girls on the regular. There's a strip club in Atlanta called Follies; Future, Gucci Mane, and players from the Atlanta Hawks were there every weekend in 2016. Chipper Jones, formerly of the Atlanta Braves used to go to the Pink Pony every Tuesday, another strip club. I'm sure the same happens in other American cities with good strip clubs, IE Houston and Miami.
Now, treating a WG as the only one and showering her with gifts of course shows lower social value. As for charming her, the "stereotypical" alpha should not be trying hard to do so. It should come naturally. At the very least, the charm should be polished and seem to come naturally. As for FB friending, well these days that's just like getting a number. I used to grab numbers from girls at parties and bars every weekend, but how often would I actually call those girls? 1 in 5 were actually interesting enough to call back. I have about a dozen WGs on my Facebook, but do I ever speak with any of them? Just two, and one of them I've never even gone to a room with!
Side note: personally I don't ask WGs for their FB info but if they request an add, I have no problems accepting.
As for mongers and modest wealth. Many of these Romanian girls regard 100 K per year as wealthy. Many may see 50 euro as minuscule, but when you start talking in the tens of thousands, I think they revert back to there perceptions of money relative to Romanian averages.
The example of super rich famous guys like Tom Brady is probably not a good indicator here as you point out. Mostly because such fame and fortune lets them choose anyone. So a WG would loose on the simple fact that she has fucked tons of guys and is somewhat 'worn out'. Many males in many cultures consider women who are 'loose' to be something of a 'beta female' no matter how she looks. And this consensus may have inflicted women into being more restrictive than men in terms of fucking around. As women also don't want to end up as beta females. But in an FKK everyone is beta according to this view.
Now in a liberal world, some of us mongers may consider an FKK girl to be more skillfull than the average girl we find in bars. So for us it might be different.
But personally I think the draw of going to FKK's for most men is to have sex with women you don't know. In life elsewhere the women always seem to want to know you before sex. But the male instinct seems to me to be completely opposite. We want to fuck first, and talk later. A few girls are thankfully of the cool sort, so those can be nice to hang out with also. But Romanian culture are a bit different from many western cultures (a bit more blunt. I actually feel with them LOL), so you need to know how to have fun with them and understand how they think. Even Bulgarians are quite different from the Vlachs of Wallachia or Transylvania. And Moldavians (incl Romanian, Moldavians) too seems a bit different from the former two where they seem to be the most passionate perhaps, or jealous.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2191739]Even if said monger is physically attractive, financially successful, and charming, the WG may still characterize the monger as a "loser". When assessing if a monger is a loser, the WG may observe his behavior (as Siri likes to say). Would a true alpha spend a disproportionate share of his free time in a brothel? Also, she might observe how quick and easily he "falls" for her. If said monger puts her on pedestal, spends thousands of EUR in a short span of time (when she knows him to be of modest wealth), I think she may characterize him as a loser. Based on the intensity of his "oneitis" for her, she can probably surmise a few things I. E. "This pathetic guy does not have other options in real life".
[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oneitis[/URL][/QUOTE]Well depend on the stand point you are on.
I find her, her future husband or ex BF or married men are losers.
This is because being informed monger enable you to fuck many beautiful girls over and over again for much much cheaper price and much less efforts.
Many girls we fucked in German FKK broke some guys heart who tried so hard to fuck her, one day she will also be married to guy who invest his life and money to her, also even pimps put in so much efforts to court her it is not easy job etc etc.
So depend on your stand point, I just want to fuck beautiful girls while they are young for awhile like few times or just once or twice is enough, so as a guy who just want to fuck beautiful girls, I find all other guys courting her or even herself a loser, I mean during deal, monger is on winning side as long as he is not too drawn into extreme up selling.
I got lucky before and get all out of 50 euro or 60 euro (Artemis) 30 min session, but usually I pay about 100 euro or 150 euro per hour and most extreme up sell I took was 200 euro per one hour two cum which was unusual, but still all these 100 euro to 200 euro per hour price to fuck her however I want in GFE way is winning on my side as in real life, it takes some time, effort, more money over time plus all the crazy after math to fuck and leave stunner young girls.
So if the guys stand point is to just fuck beautiful girls, experienced informed selective monger is a winner.
If you are guy who seek for connection and sharing and caring with girls, then sure monger is a loser who do not connect with girls, well as me being monger, all connection I want is my penis in beautiful girls mouth, pussy or anal LOL.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2191687]Ok understand now.
Saturday. How many girls? How beautiful they are compared to Oase? How is service quality in same basis? Kino action?[/QUOTE]I have only been to Palace (many times) and to Sharks (for just 1 hour) so I cannot judge on other two clubs. There are plenty others though that could inform you.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2191739]IEven if said monger is physically attractive, financially successful, and charming, the WG may still characterize the monger as a "loser". When assessing if a monger is a loser, the WG may observe his behavior (as Siri likes to say). Would a true alpha spend a disproportionate share of his free time in a brothel? Also, she might observe how quick and easily he "falls" for her. If said monger puts her on pedestal, spends thousands of EUR in a short span of time (when she knows him to be of modest wealth), I think she may characterize him as a loser. Based on the intensity of his "oneitis" for her, she can probably surmise a few things I. E. "This pathetic guy does not have other options in real life".[/QUOTE]Man,
All this analysis and going on and on about what a tute thinks of a monger. As another monger in another forum explained one time, at the end of the day, why the hell should I care what a tute getting fucked up the butt and taking skeet to the face thinks of me? What in the world does she believe people think about her? That she's a "winner"? I mean really! I had one girl at Oase have the nerve to tell me I wasn't "normal" just because I was patronizing the place. And she is normal for working there?
In general, both sides of the equation have no basis to be criticizing the other "just for being". Of course, there are extreme monger cases like you mentioned. A monger who has no confidence around women and spends a ridiculous amount of money hoping to "woo" a tute to commit to be by his side because he doesn't know how to interact with "regular" women. It's prostitution folks, not dating. Understand the difference. And of course, there are a litany of things that make up bad WG situations. Some of them need to stop biting the hand that feeds them and stop insulting the clients who pay out the money a tute needs to cover her bills. Both parties are there to meet the needs of the other. More live and let live without judging each other. Monger and tute alike get more than a enough judgments placed upon them from the "outsiders" dwelling among larger society.
Oh boy, here we go again!
I don't know that many girls, the average girl, or most girls think that all mongers, or the average monger, or many mongers are "losers". Did I miss this survey somewhere, or is this "common wisdom" available only to the self declared alpha males?
Furthermore, if you are an attractive, healthy, 21 year old girl and have to suck and fuck a whole bunch of older fat, unattractive, hairy guys, well that does make those girls "losers" in my book. For sure if you are a well built 21 year old attractive dude and need to lick the C$uNt and rim the assholes of a bunch of fat grandmas, you would consider yourself to be a loser.
As such, why would any monger who considers himself not to be a loser care that a bunch of loser girls think that he is a loser? Winners care about what other winners think of them; a winner does not care that he is not a winner in the opinion of losers.
I personally don't think most girls in these clubs are sitting there and pondering the secrets of the universe, philosophy of alphadom - nor are they trying to stratify who among the thousands of mongers passing through the doors are winners and losers. To me, their main focus seems a lot more mundane, ie trying to grab the next guy to the room. But if you want to read higher meaning in their vacant eyes, go for it..
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2191834]Oh boy, here we go again!
I don't know that many girls, the average girl, or most girls think that all mongers, or the average monger, or many mongers are "losers". Did I miss this survey somewhere, or is this "common wisdom" available only to the self declared alpha males?
Furthermore, if you are an attractive, healthy, 21 year old girl and have to suck and fuck a whole bunch of older fat, unattractive, hairy guys, well that does make those girls "losers" in my book. For sure if you are a well built 21 year old attractive dude and need to lick the C$uNt and rim the assholes of a bunch of fat grandmas, you would consider yourself to be a loser.
As such, why would any monger who considers himself not to be a loser care that a bunch of loser girls think that he is a loser? Winners care about what other winners think of them; a winner does not care that he is not a winner in the opinion of losers..[/QUOTE]I don't think the point of the conversation is to determine who are winners and losers. The point is to understand the interaction between monger and WG and how to frame it to your advantage. It matters less what one's status is in real life. In this case, the perceived and subconscious perception is what determines how well a monger is received by the WG.
Salaam and barak Alabama Jnpr!
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2191834]
I personally don't think most girls in these clubs are sitting there and pondering the secrets of the universe, philosophy of alphadom - nor are they trying to stratify who among the thousands of mongers passing through the doors are winners and losers. To me, their main focus seems a lot more mundane, ie trying to grab the next guy to the room. But if you want to read higher meaning in their vacant eyes, go for it..[/QUOTE]OK, I'll go for it. I think girls are obsessed with judging men -- and constantly getting it wrong. I think this judgementalism is greater than their desire for cash and often works against it.
Sometimes a girl will grab a guy even when she has -- randomly -- decided he is a loser, and he only finds out her opinion in the room based on the terrible treatment he receives.
Why do people judge others in the absence of any evidence? Because it gives them a sense of power that they are lacking in all other respects.
Only if a guy becomes hypnotized by these random opinions about himself, and throws money at the girls in the hope of reversing them, does he truly start to become a loser.
Who do you all think will win the World Cup?
What do you think the best clu in NRW, Hessen and other areas are to view the games and why?
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2191901]Only if a guy becomes hypnotized by these random opinions about himself, and throws money at the girls in the hope of reversing them, does he truly start to become a loser.[/QUOTE]But how about fiat currency? In essence it is not really money. Has different value and meaning to different people. Girls know this and try to use it to their advantage also. And there is all sorts of games around the value of currency. In the end, we are always the ones giving value to currency, and fiat is a scam in and of itself.
The historically real money (unless one adheres to the annunaki / gold theory) had one single purpose: to let men have sex with younger women. By this metrics, the winners are both the men and the women taking part in this act, as it gives value to the trade item known as money. And lets the women stay at home and have sex as opposed to working the fields or hunting prey. But society today likes to twist and turn things. We believe what we want to believe in. Today we all want everything for free. And with science and learning, we can have that. But scarcity of young men and young attractive women is still holding us back. Perhaps the future is the key to our very riddle of winnerdom and looserdom.