Kyiv

Don't post links to girls on here, unless you never want to talk to them again.

Someone will email her telling her that you posted her link on this site. If she is a hard core pro she might appreaciate the business, otherwise.

[QUOTE=IveyP; 1318236]Thanks Pedro. Can you provide al least Genika url I'd (a nine figures number you can find fro example here marked bold.

[url]http://XXXXXX.XX/XXXXXX.phtml?oid=[/url]

[strong]718938194[/strong]&hit=10&fromsearch&sp=0).[/QUOTE]

I will follow your advice where patience is the keyword / action.

I will go to Ucariane and study their language. I will lilve at a Hostel, I've found e few that costs €9/$12. If I stay for six m'weeks at a time, I will have the time to evaluate both serious girls, and maybe, after finding some local oexpats friends, trying a club.

My point was that FSU-sites are so obviuos scams, maybe with exception from the 2 Cupid sites, that it get rediculous. Supermodels 22 why-o wants to meet men +45. If scamming, do it with intelligence. Of thousands of not millions single sexually frustrated men really get something out if this? I think we pay, let'say $100-300 until we are finished dreaming and wake up. According to a survey more than 95% never go to Russia, we / them just use it a kind of romantic dream / soft-porno.

Well. I will take it easy, with low expectations. Maybe I can meet a beauty, and create soemthing serious with her.

Using taxi's, drunk in the middle of the night is a risky thing. And as many reports, the 8-10 girls askes for sums like $300-€500 for a night.

This is very much since the average salary for a normal work is 20-40, 000 UAH / year. Maybe a secretary, with education makes $500 US a months.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1318321]

[QUOTE=BlancoVikingo; 1318139]Hello guys.

I have been member of Latinamerican, Colombian and Brasil-Cupid.

Since a week I'm member on UkraineDate. Com.

On the Latinamerican sites there are of course a lot of prepagos or semi, but also goodlooking serious females. It's a mix.

On UkrianeDate. Com I get interest from girls 8-10, some of them stunning. They are mostly in their late 20th or early 30th, doesn't have children, but want to have.

I have never been on a FSU-site that where serious. They are hopeless.

On Tha Latin-Cupid sites I actually meet the girls, I get their phonenumber and can watch them on webcam. Their interest was aall from sex for money to cecoming friends, having fun and in a few cases, they really wanted marriage. A mix, which is to be expected.

But FSU. It seems hopeless.

First I will say that cupid sites both ukr / rus is one of my favorite sites for meeting normal girls. There is no guarantee for sex and it takes a lot of time. But reward you get can be great. I had four great relations with women from Russian cupid last two years. Yes there is a lot of scammers on this site. Stunning model looking girls do know they price in FSU maybe even better then women I western Europe. I don't even know how stupid one need to be to believe that a model looking girl will show you interest and write you a longer letter then two sentences without being a scammer. This is not Thailand you want beautiful and classy it dose have a price. There is 100`s of men writing to these girls and you need to show her why you are better for her then others. I normally do opposite of what most men do, don't start acquaintance with cam propositions and have non aggressive approach while still showing interest to a girl. With some it dose work great, with others not. But in general this dose give me results. Only a pity it takes time, but only option for me since I can't travel to FSU for long term stay and date women direct. Lucky ones are that live / work in FSU since they meet women in everydaylife and non tourist places since am sure it gives best results and save you a lot of money.[/QUOTE]

Will be in Kiev starting this Friday. Bask in the awesomeness. No autographs please.




Wastin away again in Kyiv-margaritaville.

Searching for my lost hot blondinka or three.

Some people claim that there's a woman to blame.

But I know it's my own damn fault

Have anybody used Aerosvit Airlines? I getting a good deal and it's a direct flight from Toronto but the reviews on line for this airline have been pretty bad and it's making wonder if I should spend more for a major carrier.

Has anybody done the YYZ- KBP route recently?

P

[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1317716]Gent, what is LL?[/QUOTE]LuckyLovers.net, it used to be a really good East-West dating site, with a very high ratio of girls with pretty good English and a low ratio of scammers. It also had discussion forums that allowed you to learn a bit about the girls real interests and opinions, but that part has withered. So I am not sure if it is as good as it used to be, and the volumes are much lower than on other sites like mamba. It also has a "Travel Together" section like mamba. So I am giving it another try and will let folks know if it generates any real life contacts.

Cruiser, it looks like we will miss connecting this time. I am arriving in Kiev late October for a couple of weeks. But happy to meet up with anyone else around at that time.

[QUOTE=Salbatorxxx; 1318302]Hi all.

This is my first post and I must already apologize for my english as I'm french (nobody's perfect!)

I've been twice to Kiev : nov 2011 and April 2012.

I've been to lots of eastern europe capital (Prague, Bucharest, Budapest.) but Kiev is by far the best experience on my side.

It's outside the Euro zone so cheaper and inside Shengen so I don't need a visa.

In April I've noticed that prices had already increased probably due to the Euro2012 event.

Cab drivers who were very happy to drive you anywhere inside the center for 50 UAH were asking 80 UAH. Restaurants were more expensive.

I'm planning to go next week to Kiev and I'd like to know if prices have increased a lot due to the Euro2012?

For example, it costed 250$ for 3h to bring home a stunning dancer from Rio and you could find beautiful "independent" girls at buddha bar or D'Lux for about the same price.

Is Rio still the best strip club in Kiev? I've never tried any other one as it was very central and with an almost unlimited choice of girls.

Plus, after reading several posts on this forum, I figured the deal was pretty clear.

For quick & cheap relaxing time before going out, I'll probably book girls at sexkiev. Net top-modals. Com.

You just have to know that all pictures are fake and it's only a matter of liking the girl who shows up or sending her back in a cab.

For 600UAH."you get what you pay for"

I also like to meet girls on mamba and travelgirls as I like to mix pro, semi-pros and newbies / students

Any advice appreciated!

Thanks[/QUOTE].

You say you are French? Yet you don't even know that Ukraine is not in the Schengen visa Scheme. The UK is a member of the EU, but is not in the Schengen Visa Scheme. .

Visa Free to the Ukraine has nothing to do with being in the Schengen Visa Scheme.

US and other citizens of some countries don't need visas as well.

You are on the same Pattern and trend with many other first time posters here,"Who Managed To Get a Stunning Dancer From Rio ". How come we didn't hear from you before on Rio and all your other exploits in EE countries?

You want Advice? Head back to Rio and get hold of more "Stunning Dancers ". .

And Yes "Rio Is Still The Best Strip Club In Kiev ".

That's what you Want to Hear, Right.

BTW, I like your Sense Of Humor. Its almost too perfect For a French Man. LOL.

[QUOTE=Salbatorxxx; 1318302]Hi all.

This is my first post and I must already apologize for my english as I'm french (nobody's perfect!)

I've been twice to Kiev : nov 2011 and April 2012.

I've been to lots of eastern europe capital (Prague, Bucharest, Budapest.) but Kiev is by far the best experience on my side.

It's outside the Euro zone so cheaper and inside Shengen so I don't need a visa.

Any advice appreciated!

Thanks[/QUOTE].

A bit of Advice on Schengen Countries, since your mind and post is already set on "Rio Club ".

[url]http://www.axa-schengen.com/en/schengen-countries[/url]

[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1318026]Thank you WTHF, that was great report! Yes, I was also taken by taxi to those famous apartments and they are pathetic, it looks too close to slave labor or trafficking, I did not like it and did not take a girl out either. The Madam is there like an angry guardian, is creepy. As for the massage, I guess it is a great JB, no? What can you do to her? I imagine she is naked? Never tried. The taxi driver would probably be glad you sent him over some more business, so if you don't mind, share his phone number here, I don't think it is frown upon. One more question, I googled it and could not find what FKK means. Can you tell me please?

I will try the 11th floor of the Intercontinental and I pray that the girl you saw will be there that night. What time was it? Day of week? If I find her, you will get a full report here.[/QUOTE]Sergey is the taxi driver at 097 933-1799. He claims to have 2-3 apartments as well in a very central location but I can't verify. His email is 9331799@ukr.net

In general re taxi use. Its a total fraud. To go say 1-2 KM in the center cost me 50-60 when my hotel called. At some point I just started to use numbers of companies I saw on cabs in the street and the price dropped to 32. 38. Of course if you get out of D'lux at 3am with or without a girl they will ask for 150. That's how I met Sergey after "bargaining" him down to 100. That was before I did the thinking and started calling myself.

To go to the airport my hotel asked for 300. I conversed on-line with Joker taxi and the rate was 156! Here is a link:

[url]http://joker-taxi.kiev.ua/en/?gclid=CNyAy-nd-7ECFSMhtAodDxoAug[/url]

And you can see all their numbers there. Nice thing is that they quote you price upfront and send you a text with type of car, color and license plate. My local SIM was 063 and since they have numbers with all "area codes" I called the 063 number and so it didn't even cost me anything to call.

Lisa from the massage place was amazing. I begged and tried to "bribe" her for sex and even asked her to come to my hotel. She refused. ;. (

She was full naked etc etc but just body and hand. She let me touch her everywhere except that "special place down there". U might have better luck with someone else or even with her. Lisa lives 50 miles from Kiev and so she works and stays there 3 days straight and then goes home for 3 days. Again, the whole building, entrance, stairways etc are a total creepy disaster and a bit scary. Inside is ok and they even give you disposable sleepers.

I met my dear lost love Christina at the IC at about midnight I think. Again, she asked for 500 Euro and I passed without trying to bargain her down. Claims to spend the winters in India. I believe that she frequents that place a lot as she and the barman were clearly best buddies.

On a separate note if anyone wants to actually tour the city I (very very) highly recommend the free tours. One at noon and one at 4pm. Each take you to a different part and they last 2. 5 to 3 hours. Best value for the money. And even for your time. Truly covers 90% of what you can ask for and both guides were great. Tip them 50 (or more) and they couldn't be happier. Neither could you. They leave from "Point 0" in Independence square. [url]http://freetours.kiev.ua/[/url]

Have a great trip.

[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1318026]Thank you WTHF, that was great report! Yes, I was also taken by taxi to those famous apartments and they are pathetic, it looks too close to slave labor or trafficking, I did not like it and did not take a girl out either. The Madam is there like an angry guardian, is creepy. As for the massage, I guess it is a great JB, no? What can you do to her? I imagine she is naked? Never tried. The taxi driver would probably be glad you sent him over some more business, so if you don't mind, share his phone number here, I don't think it is frown upon. One more question, I googled it and could not find what FKK means. Can you tell me please?

I will try the 11th floor of the Intercontinental and I pray that the girl you saw will be there that night. What time was it? Day of week? If I find her, you will get a full report here.[/QUOTE]I just sent a lot more detailed info. Even though I was logged in it asked me to login again and I am not sure it actually got posted. I see that it "autosaves" every so often. If not can I retrieve it and resend? Anyone?

[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1318358]Have anybody used Aerosvit Airlines? I getting a good deal and it's a direct flight from Toronto but the reviews on line for this airline have been pretty bad and it's making wonder if I should spend more for a major carrier.

Has anybody done the YYZ- KBP route recently?

P[/QUOTE]I haven't, but if you are getting a direct route from YYZ-KBP then go for it! Unless you want the Frankfurt stop-over to visit a FKK!

I am in Toronto occasionally for business and would be happy to share a pint and discuss experiences with you.

GT

CD.

If you are sticking around next Monday-Wednesday in Kiev, do you mind if a newbie tags along to see how you.

Operate? Being a tourist the whole time is awefully boring.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1318358]Have anybody used Aerosvit Airlines? I getting a good deal and it's a direct flight from Toronto but the reviews on line for this airline have been pretty bad and it's making wonder if I should spend more for a major carrier.

Has anybody done the YYZ- KBP route recently?

P[/QUOTE]Aerosvit are fine. The good points are:

* They serve alcohol and it's not expensive.

* There are usually a few stunners on their way back to the motherland.

* Airfares are cheap.

The bad points:

* They usually always full.

* The planes aren't new (but some aren't too old)

* The stewardesses have all the sex appeal of a soggy cardboard box

[QUOTE=Salbatorxxx; 1318302]Hi all.

I'm planning to go next week to Kiev and I'd like to know if prices have increased a lot due to the Euro2012?[/QUOTE]I just got back, prices seemed fairly similar to my last time there in March.

[QUOTE=Salbatorxxx;1318302]For example, it costed 250$ for 3h to bring home a stunning dancer from Rio and you could find beautiful "independent" girls at buddha bar or D'Lux for about the same price.[/QUOTE]All depends what night you go, how busy the strip-club / bar is, what your negotiating skills are like, etc. 250 USD is on the low side to pay for a girl from the three places you mention.

[QUOTE=Salbatorxxx;1318302]Is Rio still the best strip club in Kiev?[/QUOTE]It stopped being that in 2006.

Cruiser.

If you are in Kiev next Monday-Wednesday. Do you mind showing a newbie how an expert work the scene?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BlancoVikingo; 1318354]I will follow your advice where patience is the keyword / action.

I will go to Ucariane and study their language. I will lilve at a Hostel, I've found e few that costs €9/$12. If I stay for six m'weeks at a time, I will have the time to evaluate both serious girls, and maybe, after finding some local oexpats friends, trying a club.

My point was that FSU-sites are so obviuos scams, maybe with exception from the 2 Cupid sites, that it get rediculous. Supermodels 22 why-o wants to meet men +45. If scamming, do it with intelligence. Of thousands of not millions single sexually frustrated men really get something out if this? I think we pay, let'say $100-300 until we are finished dreaming and wake up. According to a survey more than 95% never go to Russia, we / them just use it a kind of romantic dream / soft-porno.

Well. I will take it easy, with low expectations. Maybe I can meet a beauty, and create soemthing serious with her.

Using taxi's, drunk in the middle of the night is a risky thing. And as many reports, the 8-10 girls askes for sums like $300-€500 for a night.

This is very much since the average salary for a normal work is 20-40, 000 UAH / year. Maybe a secretary, with education makes $500 US a months.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1318321][/QUOTE]I am sure you will succeed if you follow your plan and take time to know culture / how women over there think. I don't agree like many say that in Ukr its a disadvantage being a foreigner. In fact when you come into the "circle of trust" for any girl you try to know better it dose play out as a big advantage for you. Life is hard in ukr and most girls dream of happy marriage with serious, secure and a rich / with potential man in young age. If you behave right while you are there your biggest problem will be to don't lose head for one of the girls you meet. I have mentioned about the dating sites in FSU in my previous post and the few things I wrote comes right from the lips of law student that dose this work for dating companeys to earn few grivnas while she study. You are totally right about salary in ukr, even a doctor might make 150 dollars per month in Kiev which barley cover flat expenses. Yes places like Rio etc. Is targeted for stupid tourists (I don't say its something wrong to go there) but with some effort you can meat girls like that and have a perfect GFE instead of paying ridiculous prices. In the end of the day what you get is covered BJ and few pops. As for if its worth it. All depends on time needs etc.

GL in Ukr!