Manila

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker;1431896]I believe Sxxxx was referring to running a business in Phil when he spoke about cons[/QUOTE]Yeh I quoted Dazza Ar business query and replied to it. Was only referring to folks thinking of starting a business in Philippines. Thought that was pretty clear.

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker;1431896]I believe Sxxxx was referring to running a business in Phil when he spoke about cons. BSticks if you made a few newbie mistakes on your first trip why would you repeat those mistakes? I don't see any report of your trip so why don't you give some details?[/QUOTE]Oh my bad, I misread what Sxxxx was referring to.

I didn't register to this forum until after my trip although I read some posts before I went in March. Some of my mistakes were:

1. Gave way too many roses (10k pesos overnight) for an online escort companion (My biggest) and only 1 pop. Rookie mistake although it lasted a few hours.

2. Met a completely pure girl on blossoms, that actually went well although she wasn't that great at hotel overnight activities because she never had done it before.

3. Did a film recording of my overnight activities and my stupid pillow blocked half of the fun so you can't see half of it (also a rookie mistake)

4. Did NOT stay at a girl friendly hotel. I stayed at the Best Western Hotel La Corona in Manila. It had a great breakfast buffet and was nice rooms but definitely should of stayed at a hotel that was girl friendly because they kept stopping anyone I was with.

5. Never was brave enough to go out and try any of the clubs or bar places that I often see members of. I was really worried about getting mugged or into trouble and wasn't comfortable trying it without another American with me since I'm still in my mid 20s, I stand out very easily.

[QUOTE=BSticks; 1431933]Oh my bad, I misread what Sxxxx was referring to.

I didn't register to this forum until after my trip although I read some posts before I went in March. Some of my mistakes were:

1. Gave way too many roses (10k pesos overnight) for an online escort companion (My biggest) and only 1 pop. Rookie mistake although it lasted a few hours.

2. Met a completely pure girl on blossoms, that actually went well although she wasn't that great at hotel overnight activities because she never had done it before.

3. Did a film recording of my overnight activities and my stupid pillow blocked half of the fun so you can't see half of it (also a rookie mistake)

4. Did NOT stay at a girl friendly hotel. I stayed at the Best Western Hotel La Corona in Manila. It had a great breakfast buffet and was nice rooms but definitely should of stayed at a hotel that was girl friendly because they kept stopping anyone I was with.

5. Never was brave enough to go out and try any of the clubs or bar places that I often see members of. I was really worried about getting mugged or into trouble and wasn't comfortable trying it without another American with me since I'm still in my mid 20s, I stand out very easily.[/QUOTE]When you say "because they kept stopping anyone I was with". Do you mean the hotel staff did not let you bring a guest in? Girl friendly hotels stop and check guests identification for your safety.

It sounds like you understand the mistakes you made and you should be able to correct those by reading the forum and asking a few questions. Don't be too intimidated by going alone to a girly bar because the atmosphere is pretty much like any regular bar accept there are a lot of young pretty girls inside. If your concerned about your safety the Burgos area of bars is about the safest but also more expensive for drinks and taking out girls. Make sure you know the drink and barfine prices before you go to a place then confirm once your there. If you don't like what you see then get up and walk next door to another place.

[QUOTE=BSticks;1431933]. Never was brave enough to go out and try any of the clubs or bar places that I often see members of. I was really worried about getting mugged or into trouble and wasn't comfortable trying it without another American with me since I'm still in my mid 20s, I stand out very easily.[/QUOTE]Mid twenties, no need to go out, girls knocking the hotel door down to get at you. Old mongers stand out very easily too, but that does not stop them from Mongering.

[QUOTE=BSticks;1431933]4. Did NOT stay at a girl friendly hotel. I stayed at the Best Western Hotel La Corona in Manila. It had a great breakfast buffet and was nice rooms but definitely should of stayed at a hotel that was girl friendly because they kept stopping anyone I was with.[/QUOTE]Most hotels will stop the girls and ask for ID, then let you pass. This is for your security in case the girl leaves with your valuables while you are asleep (and because the doorman is looking for a tip). That does not make the hotel non-GF. If, however, a hotel stops you and says you can't come in with the girl no matter what, that's another issue. I doubt you had the later problem at the La Corona.

[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1432291]Most hotels will stop the girls and ask for ID, then let you pass. This is for your security in case the girl leaves with your valuables while you are asleep (and because the doorman is looking for a tip). That does not make the hotel non-GF. If, however, a hotel stops you and says you can't come in with the girl no matter what, that's another issue. I doubt you had the later problem at the La Corona.[/QUOTE]Best western la corona on del pilar street is girlfriendly. Girls cannot enter by themselves. You need to meet them outside and escort them. When I stayed here they never checked I. The of girls. I believe you need to escort them out as well. I did.

[QUOTE=BSticks; 1431933]Oh my bad, I misread what Sxxxx was referring to.

I didn't register to this forum until after my trip although I read some posts before I went in March. Some of my mistakes were:

1. Gave way too many roses (10k pesos overnight) for an online escort companion (My biggest) and only 1 pop. Rookie mistake although it lasted a few hours.

2. Met a completely pure girl on blossoms, that actually went well although she wasn't that great at hotel overnight activities because she never had done it before.

4. Did NOT stay at a girl friendly hotel. I stayed at the Best Western Hotel La Corona in Manila. It had a great breakfast buffet and was nice rooms but definitely should of stayed at a hotel that was girl friendly because they kept stopping anyone I was with.

5. Never was brave enough to go out and try any of the clubs or bar places that I often see members of. I was really worried about getting mugged or into trouble and wasn't comfortable trying it without another American with me since I'm still in my mid 20s, I stand out very easily.[/QUOTE]Other have covered the "girl friendliness" of your hotel, but your FR peaks my interest.

In reverse order.

5. Why did you feel you'd be mugged or get into trouble? Was it a vibe you got on the street? From FR's here? News reports? Since you weren't going out to bars how did you meet the girls you were trying to bring to you hotel?

4. How did you select that hotel? Since you did the research before arriving did you read the Manila Hotels thread? When the guards stopped you and your girls what happened next? Apologize and send the girl home? Go to another place? Did you speak to the front desk about its guest policy? Did you consider checking out and going to another place? Seems to me you were there for several days; why didn't you post a question about the hotel here when this happened?

2. By "completely pure" girl I assume you mean virgin, yeah? Did you know this beforehand or was it a in-bed revelation? Did you expect a virgin to be more talented in bed? How'd she get into the hotel?

1. How did this one get into the hotel? Or did you go to her place?

[QUOTE=Fifty Pesos;1432345]I have met several guys who "monger" over the years and they all displayed similar characteristics sadism, stinginess, pseudologia fantastica, extreme mood swings and last but not least an extreme arrogance which is ironic when chasing prostitutes / impoverished women for hobby or out of necessity.[/QUOTE]What an extraordinary statement!

I am sorry that the guys you have met "over the years" have displayed such extreme characteristics.

I have met around 10 guys from ISG in person "over the years" and ALL of them have been normal, sensible, intelligent, mostly well-educated, fully employed and thinking guys who simply enjoy the company of women.

I pity your life if the anti-social mongers that you describe are the sort of guys that you meet or, even worse, attract as your friends.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1432398]What an extraordinary statement!

I am sorry that the guys you have met "over the years" have displayed such extreme characteristics.

I have met around 10 guys from ISG in person "over the years" and ALL of them have been normal, sensible, intelligent, mostly well-educated, fully employed and thinking guys who simply enjoy the company of women.

I pity your life if the anti-social mongers that you describe are the sort of guys that you meet or, even worse, attract as your friends.[/QUOTE]I normally "snip" posts, but RK's was worth repeating in its entirety. I of course, agree completely with RK, and think that this poster's comments reflect more on himself or perhaps his view of himself than they do on the members of this forum. Like RK I've met a few ISG members over the past decade, and most of them have been, as RK said, intelligent, decent, interesting people with real day jobs.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1432407]think that this poster's comments reflect more on himself or perhaps his view of himself[/quote]Yeah. Highly likely.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1432407]Like RK I've met a few ISG members over the past decade, and most of them have been, as RK said, intelligent, decent, interesting people with real day jobs.[/QUOTE]Having met around a dozen of members of ISG, I can fully support RK and GE.

[QUOTE=Fifty Pesos; 1432345]As a young guy I would give guys who participate in this hobby a wide berth.

I have met several guys who "monger" over the years and they all displayed similar characteristics sadism, stinginess, pseudologia fantastica, extreme mood swings and last but not least an extreme arrogance.[/QUOTE]Many of your posts over the past year seem to point to attacks against foreigners in the PI's and backhanded slaps against ISG members. Is your recent opinion another attempt at dissuading men from visiting or were you just being sarcastic and we missed it?

If you were being serious, I'll respond by saying that I don't know what type of places you frequent to meet the "mongers" you describe (but I'd be interested in knowing so I can avoid them and you as well) , but the overwhelming majority of the guys I've met in Manila, Makati, AC, Subic, Cebu and Davao (plus in many other cities throughout the US and Europe over the past 30 years) at various clubs, bars and restos have been "normal" type guys who enjoy the risk and the subsequent reward (s) of pursing "normal girls", SW's, FL's, etc. All told I'd say it's over 100 guys (about 9 or 10 from ISG) and about the only trait I'd say that was common among them was an abundance of confidence, which, I'll readily admit, can sometimes be confused with arrogance. But then again I'd venture to say confidence is a trait that is required to pursue our hobby in any country and especially to travel to or live in a 3rd world country and pursue it.

To BSticks, thanks for sharing your story and welcome to world of mongering. As far as meeting members from here I'd suggest you read some their past posts to get a feel for them first and to see if they are the type of person you would want to meet. But first you need to pay Jackson his $20 so you can send / receive PM's. And don't forget to read the oft overlooked "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread; a lot good info is there.

[QUOTE=Fifty Pesos;1432345]I have met several guys who "monger" over the years and they all displayed similar characteristics sadism, stinginess, pseudologia fantastica, extreme mood swings and last but not least an extreme arrogance which is ironic when chasing prostitutes / impoverished women for hobby or out of necessity.[/QUOTE]Sounds like just about every bloke I met in my travels in Scotland. You sure you weren't there?

RK, I agree that I am all the other things you mentioned. And I do think you are all the things mentioned. But I sure as shit ain't normal. And I got that from Mom herself so it ain't open to discussion.

[QUOTE=Fifty Pesos;1432345]As a young guy.[/QUOTE]As an older guy. 57, I would say to you that you don't know what you are talking about. The mongers I've met between the ages 30 and 70 have been intelligent, friendly and successful. Maybe you will achieve this as you age but so far it does not look too good for you.

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger; 1432445]Many of your posts over the past year seem to point to attacks against foreigners in the PI's and backhanded slaps against ISG members. Is your recent opinion another attempt at dissuading men from visiting or were you just being sarcastic and we missed it...[/QUOTE]PJ, RK, GE et al.

I have FR before about FP and agree with your statement (I have to be careful what I say at the moment LOL) but clearly what I said before is borne out by his FR (can't read the original post can anyone else?) the to which many of the senior members replied. I have met many ISG guys and most, if not all, can't be described the FP way. Complete opposite. The one I meet and see (some on a regular basis) for dinner etc are just normal good guys who are enjoying their hobbies. There are of course a few cheap charlies (always will be) and they have manifest themselves on this board a few times. We know who they are but best I not name them but a search of the FRs will easily spot them. Those I avoid and generally can tell from other signs prior to meeting that a coffee will be a waste of pesos and my time.

As PJ said FP. Please name and shame those places where these 'bad cheap nasty' mongers hang out so we can all avoid and let you and others visit and FR on it.