FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2257195]My view on this matter is that if you are a newbie on a club and none of the girls recognize you, they majority of the girls will try to hustle you. It happened to me a few times in the Frankfurt clubs (Oase, Palace) a couple of years ago, this was before the new law regarding BBBJ but a majority of the girls wouldn't give it unless I paid extra or extend the session. So from personal experience I think it's about if the girls see you as a newbie / tourist or a experienced monger.

But I agree it would be very useful to know if the girls at the Frankfurt clubs use the same tactics as in Artemis and how much one hour with GFE service is at Palace, Sharks, Oase, World & Mainhattan at this moment.[/QUOTE]Artemis is owned by HA, most of the girls have connections with them, they are also older than in Hessen clubs, many tourists around or fair visitors, no other club in town sorry but like in other business this is not leading to optimized prices and services.

[QUOTE=Vienna2017;2257161]Request for comments. Some people take the position that Artemis gives a lesser service than the Frankfurt FKK clubs because Artemis is the only business of its kind in Berlin. What are your opinions? My view is that the lack of competition in Berlin makes for lesser quality. Artemis is heavily dependent on tourist that will never return. The local guys are a minority and they know which females to be with.[/QUOTE]Frankfurt clubs are a better deal, so if it is a choice, go there. That said, pretty accurate, some tourist come back, most don't come too often and can't tell the difference. Not too many local clients, but quite a few (not comparable to locals in the Frankfurt area). But better service, but still more expensive but than the Frankfurt area.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2257415]Frankfurt clubs are a better deal, so if it is a choice, go there. That said, pretty accurate, some tourist come back, most don't come too often and can't tell the difference. Not too many local clients, but quite a few (not comparable to locals in the Frankfurt area). But better service, but still more expensive but than the Frankfurt area.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. The Frankfurt clubs are a better deal than Artemis.

I am curious, have anyone seen Valentina (Col) lately at Artemis? I just remembered that I have had a few of my most memorable and intense sessions with her, she was a bit crazy in the room but in a very good way I might add! Not only was the sex spectacular but most times you would get a very good massage as well.

Do anyone know her whereabouts?!

Hi folks,

Does anyone could let me know please whether Arte is open on January 02?

Thanks!

The Canadian.

It will be open, but don't expect it to be crowded with women due to the holidays.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2256743]Look, you and others can pay what you want, and you must decide value. Time pressure plays big role. But, since law change (which we now know is silly and not enforced) girls take advantage. Big picture is this. Look at multiple websites in Berlin -bordello home pages, kaufmich, Berlin intim etc. And you will find well over 3000 girls working here. They charge about 140 ish for a fine hour with most extras. That is competitive market price now in Berlin. For years, Artemis prices were about this level. (To be fair, prices for girls both in and outside A in Berlin have changed little in over 15 years so with some (very) slight inflation maybe 5-10% would be reasonable).

Since new law (which has not changed prices in "outside" Berlin market at all) some Artemis girls seem to be getting away with almost double this, if you include portion of 80 Eur entrance fee. They do this because conditions inside distort market which means some ideal notion of simple supply and demand do not work. An incomplete list. Imperfect, asymmetric information; barriers to entry and exit; oligopoly, collusion, poor enforcement of contract; too many buyers chasing too few sellers; and and and (sounds like conditions for Trump company). There is story that during a Logistics Messe, crowding was so bad and girls so scarce inside that they were able to charge 200 for 30 minutes and guys were paying. Management was not happy..[/QUOTE]True Ninja. Agree with all, but I don't think you can find good quality at reasonable prices anymore in Artemis. Of course, people may define good quality differently. I try to stick to privates or go to NRW or Hessen FKK. The problem is the tourists in Artemis. In a local market these pieces would end before they start.

I went there recently. They have cameras in the locker rooms pointed right at you as you get changed into an old scruffy pink rob that's really short.

The first girl that approached me was fat and ugly. I told her pretty much right away that I wasn't interested, but she continued trying to seduce me for another 5 minutes or so. After she finally left, a tall girl who I turned down from earlier walked by and asked me "are you ready baby". She looked good, but I wanted to relax and scope out the place first. And I wanted 1 better looking than her.

Later, Pamela sat down talked to me, and I told her everything I wanted. She told me it would all be included for the same price with no upselling. I verified this with her 2-3 times before leaving the bar. When we got to the room, she asked me "what do you like"? I said I already told you downstairs. She said, oh for this and that, it's an extra 50 euros! But we had already agreed that everything I asked for was included when we spoke downstairs. She kept arguing with me and denying it. I went and complained to management downstairs, and even though she did lie, management sided with her and also lied and said I was already in the room with her for 10 minutes even though it was more like 2-3. Pamela is also a racist who was saying negative things about Romanians.

This place is absolute garbage and apparently they have an interest in just ripping off foreigners or anyone that they can. And management lets them do it and backs them up. I heard mixed reviews about the place before going, and there aren't many options for FKK in Berlin. But I shouldn't have gone apparently.

[QUOTE=Kintaro18;2265583]I went there recently. They have cameras in the locker rooms pointed right at you as you get changed into an old scruffy pink rob that's really short.

The first girl that approached me was fat and ugly. I told her pretty much right away that I wasn't interested, but she continued trying to seduce me for another 5 minutes or so. After she finally left, a tall girl who I turned down from earlier walked by and asked me "are you ready baby". She looked good, but I wanted to relax and scope out the place first. And I wanted 1 better looking than her.

Later, Pamela sat down talked to me, and I told her everything I wanted. She told me it would all be included for the same price with no upselling. I verified this with her 2-3 times before leaving the bar. When we got to the room, she asked me "what do you like"? I said I already told you downstairs. She said, oh for this and that, it's an extra 50 euros! But we had already agreed that everything I asked for was included when we spoke downstairs. She kept arguing with me and denying it. I went and complained to management downstairs, and even though she did lie, management sided with her and also lied and said I was already in the room with her for 10 minutes even though it was more like 2-3..[/QUOTE]Apparently your attitude is based on a single bad experience with one cheat girl. I think you were just unlucky this time and this isn't always the case. Spending more time and making another choice of a lady might have made it up for you.

However, in your case (when the lady starts denying the agreement), I suggest you leave the room immediately before doing any action. End it right there. If she complains, give her 10 euros for the 2-3 minutes you spent with her, but not more. I'd certainly end it and not proceed with her.

[QUOTE=Kintaro18;2265583]I went there recently. They have cameras in the locker rooms pointed right at you as you get changed into an old scruffy pink rob that's really short.

The first girl that approached me was fat and ugly. I told her pretty much right away that I wasn't interested, but she continued trying to seduce me for another 5 minutes or so. After she finally left, a tall girl who I turned down from earlier walked by and asked me "are you ready baby". She looked good, but I wanted to relax and scope out the place first. And I wanted 1 better looking than her.

Later, Pamela sat down talked to me, and I told her everything I wanted. She told me it would all be included for the same price with no upselling. I verified this with her 2-3 times before leaving the bar. When we got to the room, she asked me "what do you like"? I said I already told you downstairs. She said, oh for this and that, it's an extra 50 euros! But we had already agreed that everything I asked for was included when we spoke downstairs. She kept arguing with me and denying it..[/QUOTE]I've noticed that you have less than 10 posts here on this site so far discussing mongering locales from all over the world. Canada, Australia, Brazil, Austria, The United Kingdom, Germany, Australia. And most of your posts are loaded with negativity. What's up with that? Since it all seems to suck no matter where you are, including in my two top favorites of Brazil and Germany, do you think that maybe. It could be you? And that you need to adjust your approach and attitude? I don't know. I'm just saying. It's a crying shame to have the opportunity to travel the world and not be enjoying yourself when so, so, so many people don't have that luxury. My last trip to Germany, the absolute star of the entire extensive trip was found at Artemis. German, tall, blonde and blue, smoking hot per my tastes, and a superior performer! I'm just saying homes. Maybe you ought to consider how you're rolling and change some things up. I'm just saying.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2266475]I've noticed that you have less than 10 posts here on this site so far discussing mongering locales from all over the world. Canada, Australia, Brazil, Austria, The United Kingdom, Germany, Australia. And most of your posts are loaded with negativity. What's up with that? Since it all seems to suck no matter where you are, including in my two top favorites of Brazil and Germany, do you think that maybe. It could be you? And that you need to adjust your approach and attitude? I don't know. I'm just saying. It's a crying shame to have the opportunity to travel the world and not be enjoying yourself when so, so, so many people don't have that luxury. My last trip to Germany, the absolute star of the entire extensive trip was found at Artemis. German, tall, blonde and blue, smoking hot per my tastes, and a superior performer! I'm just saying homes. Maybe you ought to consider how you're rolling and change some things up. I'm just saying.[/QUOTE]All that aside, it pains me to admit that as I am an Artemis fan, he does have a point and the fact the reception doesn't acknowledge that is a bigger issue. You can find still decent service at Artemis fir a minimum of 170 an hour, but the girl's jackpot is 110 in 30 minutes that are cut to 12-15 minutes. Not a good situation at Artemis at the moment. Hopefully, will change in the next year or two.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2266648]All that aside, it pains me to admit that as I am an Artemis fan, he does have a point and the fact the reception doesn't acknowledge that is a bigger issue. You can find still decent service at Artemis fir a minimum of 170 an hour, but the girl's jackpot is 110 in 30 minutes that are cut to 12-15 minutes. Not a good situation at Artemis at the moment. Hopefully, will change in the next year or two.[/QUOTE]Well lucky for me I have never had any of these issues at Artemis, and the place has always produced the goods for me. Although, last time I did find the main bar to be too smokey, and I eventually got sick from that, but it was well worth it in return for my never to be forgotten sessions with beautiful blue-eyed, blonde, German "Lilia" from Kiel! And all the many, many other unforgettable sessions I have had at Artemis over the years. Definitely one of my "must-do" clubs when touring Germany!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2266769]Well lucky for me I have never had any of these issues at Artemis, and the place has always produced the goods for me. Although, last time I did find the main bar to be too smokey, and I eventually got sick from that, but it was well worth it in return for my never to be forgotten sessions with beautiful blue-eyed, blonde, German "Lilia" from Kiel! And all the many, many other unforgettable sessions I have had at Artemis over the years. Definitely one of my "must-do" clubs when touring Germany![/QUOTE]Lucky guy your experience is exactly the opposite of what many German monger are reporting on the German forums, probably they are more demanding.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2266769]Well lucky for me I have never had any of these issues at Artemis, and the place has always produced the goods for me. Although, last time I did find the main bar to be too smokey, and I eventually got sick from that, but it was well worth it in return for my never to be forgotten sessions with beautiful blue-eyed, blonde, German "Lilia" from Kiel! And all the many, many other unforgettable sessions I have had at Artemis over the years. Definitely one of my "must-do" clubs when touring Germany![/QUOTE]Lilia is one of the greatest girls in Artemis, no doubt about it. But, there are not many like her, especially when one visits weekly, you need to refresh and choose a new girl, wo out of more than 100 girls you may have a good ten.

[QUOTE=Kintaro18;2265583]I went there recently. They have cameras in the locker rooms pointed right at you as you get changed into an old scruffy pink rob that's really short.

The first girl that approached me was fat and ugly. I told her pretty much right away that I wasn't interested, but she continued trying to seduce me for another 5 minutes or so. After she finally left, a tall girl who I turned down from earlier walked by and asked me "are you ready baby". She looked good, but I wanted to relax and scope out the place first. And I wanted 1 better looking than her.

Later, Pamela sat down talked to me, and I told her everything I wanted. She told me it would all be included for the same price with no upselling. I verified this with her 2-3 times before leaving the bar. When we got to the room, she asked me "what do you like"? I said I already told you downstairs. She said, oh for this and that, it's an extra 50 euros! But we had already agreed that everything I asked for was included when we spoke downstairs. She kept arguing with me and denying it. I went and complained to management downstairs, and even though she did lie, management sided with her and also lied and said I was already in the room with her for 10 minutes even though it was more like 2-3..[/QUOTE]This place is absolute garbage and apparently they have an interest in just ripping off foreigners or anyone that they can. And management lets them do it and backs them up. Agreed Artemis is a scam for ripping off foreigners.