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Alpha / Beta / PUA / blah, blah, blah. All this talk in the context of FKK land is downright silly.

What is relevant in FKK land is whether you are getting good service in the room or not.

If you are not getting good service in the room, you are doing something wrong.

If you are getting good service in the room, then enjoy.

It's quite simple really. No need for all these pseudo-psychological analyses.

Then again, just my personal opinion, if you enjoy supposedly somehow divining the secrets of the feminine mind in FKK land, then please carry on, though from my limited observations, the female mind in FKK land appears to be a lot more straightforward than all of this psychoanalysis makes it out to be.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2192460]Alpha / Beta / PUA / blah, blah, blah. All this talk in the context of FKK land is downright silly.[/QUOTE]If you perceive that there is a problem, well then there is of course a problem!

And then you have to solve the problem. In order to solve the problem you have to analyse the problem. In order to analyse the problem you have to study the problem. In order to study the problem you have to discuss the problem.

You're problem UltraHappy is that you don't see a problem. Then there is no problem! No solving, no analysis, no study, no discussion.

Life is simple.

Life can be as simple or difficult as you make it to be!

I'm with you on this one! :)

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2192460]Alpha / Beta / PUA / blah, blah, blah. All this talk in the context of FKK land is downright silly.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DerAuslander;2192464]If you perceive that there is a problem,

I'm with you on this one! :)[/QUOTE]It's a water cooler discussion in the Lounge and Chat section. I'm not sure why one feels the need to dictate the conversation in a thread dedicated to chit chat and bullshitting. More objective and factual discussions can be had in specific club, General info, and FAQ threads.

There is no problem. As previously stated, it's probably of negligible effect in your mongering experience. The point is the discussion of a method of getting better service freely given by the WG without paying extra.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2191834]As a quant and numbers guy

I don't know that many girls, the average girl, or most girls think that all mongers, or the average monger, or many mongers are "losers". Did I miss this survey somewhere, or is this "common wisdom" available only to the self declared alpha males?

Furthermore, if you are an attractive, healthy, 21 year old girl and have to suck and fuck a whole bunch of older fat, unattractive, hairy guys, well that does make those girls "losers" in my book.

As such, why would any monger who considers himself not to be a loser care that a bunch of loser girls think that he is a loser? Winners care about what other winners think of them; a winner does not care that he is not a winner in the opinion of losers.[/QUOTE]As a quant and numbers guy myself, I see the value of un-quantifiable and even illogical aspects of male-female interactions.

As for WG's thinking that average mongers are "losers," well it's an opinion much like your own that the girls are "losers" themselves.

As for being a "self declared" alpha male, well I think my posts have clearly stated many times that I merely value the ability to display attributes of dominance (alpha-ness) and submissiveness (beta-ness) and to use it to your advantage. No self declaration. Not one, not even in the discussion months ago.

Why care what the girls think? The crux of the argument is the discussion of one way to get the best service out of a WG, preferably without paying for premium service. Not just good service, but preferential service. If your opinion is that a favorable opinion from the girl does not result in better services rendered, then this discussion will not register with you.

Jnpr, I work in a male-dominated "linear thinking" field. But I also manage teams from disparate cultures. To be successful managing people, I need to be able to judge character. It's useful to see patterns and try to predict future behaviors. Ultimately, this requires me to use my "gut instinct" and to recall on past experiences managing others. If I am screening a candidate and trying to assess if their personality and goals are compatible for my team, I don't have the luxury of waiting for "evidence" to manifest itself. If I misjudge the candidate's character or miss "red flags" in their history, and they turn out to be a drama queen who needs to be let go, money is lost, progress is stalled, and opportunities are missed.

Takedown mentioned that the pick-up artist (PUA) literature uses the same principles he learned in Psycho-pathology. That isn't a surprise. Sales psychology same shit. The underlying idea is to develop a sixth sense during a social interaction. I do believe the principles and psychology behind PUA are sound. But understanding principles, doesn't make one skilled at something. For the most part I know the principles behind public speaking, but I can't say I am good speaker. I don't have a natural aptitude for it, nor do I have thousands and thousands of repetitions under my belt. I'the say the same for majority of PUA community, ninety percent of which are geeks on the internet like us who argue with one another over semantics.

Anyway, I went down a rabbit hole and watched another video by that Tyler Durden guy. Jnpr30, you probably won't watch, but I'd encourage you too. He tries to study women, understand women, and test his understanding by analyzing hidden camera footage of himself speaking with a woman. It probably has very little applicability to women in FKK, but it is entertaining nevertheless. He's a captivating, dynamic speaker with Zach Galifianakis-style humor. In another life, he could have probably done improv or stand-up. Interested to hear Takedown's take as well. Maybe you guys think it is scripted and staged. Probably could skip the first 5 minutes or so.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzmD8mZZKfc[/URL]

[QUOTE=Takedown;2192360]Ehat's your legacy when you're dead?[/QUOTE]Yes, big part of it.

I thought about it deeply, then I have done travelling since young age, ate fine food all over the world, experiencing different cultures, I got all material need that I want like house, watch, clothes etc etc. And only thing that make me happy and satisfied is fucking most beautiful girls from around the globe.

I mean when I look back many places and cultures are great and I still do enjoy it, but I get enough of it as I have done it so many times, but when it comes to fucking beautiful young girls, I never get bored or get enough of it because it is different each time for me.

In order to maximize my memory while I am here alive, I occasionally look back time to reflect what I like doing and when I am fucking young stunner level girls, I am happiest the most and it is so memorable to me especially when I find new beautiful stunner that are fresh and clean, so I don't know legacy is the right word as I do not have ego issue, but it is what I want to invest big time of my life to as central core of fun.

Other things like food I eat 3 gourmet meal every day as I live in Japan and travelling I still do but I really did travel around world as I was in boarding school since age 12, so I like fucking beautiful girls the most in life, I never get bored with it.

The feeling I feel when I see new young stunner beauty is divine, and after seducing her, she is in my memory to cherish.

As for marriage etc. I do not believe in it, it only good for first x amount of years, that x can be single digit or double digit, but since I am the guy who mostly see women as my sexual desire, I prefer to fuck young and beautiful girls and like to change often, so marrying based on infatuation called love and fucking old girls who may be beauty to you, but in reality she is not is merely junk bond to me with extreme propaganda and deception called marriage.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2192113]Where did you study history? You should sue to get your tuition money back.[/QUOTE]I got this particular university dlc for free actually. It is up on youtube as Yale Anthropology.

Regarding my paid for university dlc, it is on a different subject, but has to do with brainwashing and twisting of facts. Basically, most of what we are told at university are all lies. Aside from math and basics in a few other fields. History is one field of study where facts have been twisted the most due to ulterior motifs. For one, civilizational history is way older than we have been told. One of the oldest ones were probably located in Peru hundreds of thousands of years ago way before the idea of an exodus from Africa.

One other example: most people today swear on there having been something known as an ice age in the past in europe and north america.

But not so fast, this is up for question. In fact, evidence points towards there not having been ice ages at all. There was just a change in where the geographic north pole was located (on Greenland) in the past. And the reason for the worlds oceans to rise is mainly a result of slow melting of the Greenland ice sheets.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2192503]I got this particular university dlc for free actually. It is up on youtube as Yale Anthropology.

Regarding my paid for university dlc, it is on a different subject, but has to do with brainwashing and twisting of facts. Basically, most of what we are told at university are all lies. Aside from math and basics in a few other fields. History is one field of study where facts have been twisted the most due to ulterior motifs. For one, civilizational history is way older than we have been told. One of the oldest ones were probably located in Peru hundreds of thousands of years ago way before the idea of an exodus from Africa.

One other example: most people today swear on there having been something known as an ice age in the past in europe and north america.

But not so fast, this is up for question. In fact, evidence points towards there not having been ice ages at all. There was just a change in where the geographic north pole was located (on Greenland) in the past. And the reason for the worlds oceans to rise is mainly a result of slow melting of the Greenland ice sheets.[/QUOTE]I tried hard to change the topic to something other than Alpha, Beta, Omega, Gamma and Sigma specimens of humans. Why, civilization, education and advancement in technology have honestly changed the paradigm of these classifications within humans. Yes, there are physically dominant individuals but a geek with a computer, laser, or audio based weapon can bring these physically dominant specimens to there knees or worse. So personalities aside all this Alpha, Beta blah blah can be tossed out the window. This is a Survival Of The Fittest concept, where physical dominance ensured mating by providing security for females or by force. To use the Kenye West example, this is evidence that the needs and desires of women have changed from the basics of security and shelter to the Social Media and Fame Wh. Es that are so commonly found today. Enough on this topic, lets go to some more interesting theories you have presented.

As a person who fancies history and science a wee bit, I find some of your other theories more thought provoking. I agree that the ancient civilizations in Peru was a force to be reckoned with. The concept of marching a vastly dominating army to the gates of the city, demanding the city leaders surrender the city and in particular their childern or face annihilation of the entire city. Surrender resulted in a forced tax of foods and conscription of able bodied men into the military and breeding of the most desirable women by the conquering forces. The village leaders children would be returned after being educated and indoctrinated into the beliefs of the ruling civilization. This was happening at roughly the same time that the Egyptions were dominating large areas of Northern Africa and West Asia. Amazingly, these two civilizations built very similar pyramids and worshipped Gods that represented the same things, for example the Sun God. Can I get an Alians theory from anybody. Also, during the same timeline, the Chinese dynasties were emerging as dominant forces. What I have never seen is any scientific data, such as carbon dating on human remains, that can show evidence of civilizations that predate what have been found in Africa. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I've never come across evidence that shows it did. If it exists, I would like to be directed to it so I can become more enlightened on this theory.

Additionally, I would be interested in any evidence or scientific writings that shows evidence that a major shifting of the polar orientation caused a major evolution in the ice caps. I've been through the Rocky Mountain states in the USA where I've witnessed what is presented as evidence of great glacier flows moving south and then retreating. This is interesting because if Greenland was the polar north, where would have that put the Rocky mountain states in reference to what would have been the equator at that time? Why were they vovered with ice? How many times have these major polor shifts happened and what caused them. The only thing that I find along this theory is a Hollywood movie, but amazingly, their thaw started within weeks, rather than thousands of years later, after the extinction of most major animal species that inhabited the Earth.

Sorry for the long entry but this has hit me one of my passion areas. History and Science are two of my favourite things just after: Sex with beautiful women, Whisky and food.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2192484]Yes, big part of it.

I thought about it deeply, then I have done travelling since young age, ate fine food all over the world, experiencing different cultures, I got all material need that I want like house, watch, clothes etc etc. And only thing that make me happy and satisfied is fucking most beautiful girls from around the globe.[/QUOTE]Contribution to humanity, society, friends, or family? Or simply passing on of genetic material?

[QUOTE=Takedown;2192474]





Why care what the girls think? The crux of the argument is the discussion of one way to get the best service out of a WG, preferably without paying for premium service. Not just good service, but preferential service. If your opinion is that a favorable opinion from the girl does not result in better services rendered, then this discussion will not register with you.[/QUOTE]Obviously I never said anything to the effect you wrote in your last sentence, but thanks for attributing it to me somehow.

I pay fair money in accordance with club rules, and expect to get a fair service in return. Which I manage to obtain in a large majority of the sessions. Not rocket science there.

If I go into a new city and eat in ten different restaurants, even with the help of Yelp and whatnot, the chance of all ten meals being super great is zero (from a price and quality perspective). I don't psycho analyze it to death. Win some lose some. In fact makes it fun.

Elsewhere you stated you obtain free service, service for many hours at a small price etc. I am *not* looking for freebies from the girls. I can afford to pay, I want to pay, and give them small tips when warranted. If all your theories and analysis are towards the goal of obtaining these freebies, good for you. But not my thing.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2192650]Obviously I never said anything to the effect you wrote in your last sentence, but thanks for attributing it to me somehow.[/QUOTE]Exactly. A common and oft used and observed tactic. Telling you what you said and / or think when you said no such thing, nor believe in something who somebody else alleges that you do.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2192650]Obviously I never said anything to the effect you wrote in your last sentence, but thanks for attributing it to me somehow.[/QUOTE]Understood, hence my qualifying word "if."

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2192650]I pay fair money in accordance with club rules, and expect to get a fair service in return. Which I manage to obtain in a large majority of the sessions. Not rocket science there.[/QUOTE]Fair enough, I strive to get better than fair. I want the best service that the independent working girl is willing to freely give me.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2192650]If I go into a new city and eat in ten different restaurants, even with the help of Yelp and whatnot, the chance of all ten meals being super great is zero (from a price and quality perspective). I don't psycho analyze it to death. Win some lose some. In fact makes it fun.[/QUOTE]One may say that Yelping requires analysis. If you wholey believe in the carefree approach then you would just try every interesting looking mom and pop shop on the corner. Win some lose some!

It may sound like psycho analyzing it to death to you but it seems easy and fun to me and obviously sparked the interest of at least one other poster here. You absolutely are not required to indulge in this aspect of the hobby. Enjoy your hobbying style!

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2192650]Elsewhere you stated you obtain free service, service for many hours at a small price etc. I am *not* looking for freebies from the girls. I can afford to pay, I want to pay, and give them small tips when warranted. If all your theories and analysis are towards the goal of obtaining these freebies, good for you. But not my thing.[/QUOTE]Sounds good. We are in agreement.

All this talk of this intricate theories seems to suggest that if one figures out how to act "alpha," one will mysteriously trigger responses in the female brain causing them to throw themselves all over you in FKK land.

While I fully acknowledge that outside of the FKK, certain behaviors will have a tendency to produce positive / negative reactions from our female counterparts, in FKK land, things are much simpler.

The formula is quite simple in my personal view: Be nice, clean, and pay them and you will get a good actress. It's that simple. No need for complex theories. Just my personal experience.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2192679]All this talk of this intricate theories seems to suggest that if one figures out how to act "alpha," one will mysteriously trigger responses in the female brain causing them to throw themselves all over you in FKK land.

While I fully acknowledge that outside of the FKK, certain behaviors will have a tendency to produce positive / negative reactions from our female counterparts, in FKK land, things are much simpler.

The formula is quite simple in my personal view: Be nice, clean, and pay them and you will get a good actress. It's that simple. No need for complex theories. Just my personal experience.[/QUOTE]You're right there is no [B]need[/B] for complex theories, just as there is no [B]need[/B] to have sex with beautiful girls without the intention of procreation.

My personal experience is that often, and specifically in the early encounters, the man-woman relationship supercedes the monger-WG interaction. Playing that game well for me has resulted in better rooms for me. Keeping it simple is well and fine, but [B]for me[/B] that gets boring after a while. Everyone participates in this hobby at various levels, from the once a year fly in tourist to the weekly visitor who tries to make every girl his "Eve."

I thought I would share this song that I wrote as my plane landed in Frankfurt the 2nd time I visited FKK land. It is sung to the tune of the Beatles "Back in the USSR. " The parody doesn't quite fit but an old friend of mine who used to frequent this forum named Ded once explained that FKK was pronounced F Ka Ka by the Germans (it sounded like this to me anyway) so I took some license to write the following parody and this goes through my head every time I think about the FKK scene and especially as my flight is touching down in Germany. And guess what? I'm going back. So this song is killing me. I just updated the lyrics:

BACK IN THE FK KA KA (song to the tune of Back in the USSR by the Beatles).


Been up posting reviews all night on ISG.

Didn't get to bed last night.

Composing several To-do-lists on my knees.

Man was anna's asshole tight.

I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

You don't know how lucky you ahh boys.

Back in the FK-Ka-Ka.



Been away so long I hardly knew the place.

Is a covered Blow job now the law?

Living Room tomorrow been in Sharks now twice.

Hobbyist better hide their phones.

I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

You don't know how lucky you ahh boys.

Back in the FK.

Back in the FK.

Back in the FK-Ka-Ka.



Well the Romanian girls really knock me out.

They have the best behinds.

And Romanian girls make me sing and shout.

Are there not any other kind?



Yeah I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

You don't know how lucky you ahh boys.

Back in the FK-Ka-Ka.



Well the Romanian girls really knock me out.

They have the best behinds.

And Romanian girls make me sing and shout.

That Bella's just took my last dime.



Oh, show me around your Sharkish brothels way down south.

Take me to your Sauna Clubs.

Let me hear your broken English ringing out.

"One-hundred Euros and I'll perform".

I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

Hey you don't know how lucky you ahh boys.

Back in the FK-Ka-Ka.



Oh don't take all my money.

Hey, I'm back!

I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

Yes, I'm free!

Yeah, back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2192622]I tried hard to change the topic to something other than Alpha, Beta, Omega, Gamma and Sigma specimens of humans. Why, civilization, education and advancement in technology have honestly changed the paradigm of these classifications within humans. Yes, there are physically dominant individuals but a geek with a computer, laser, or audio based weapon can bring these physically dominant specimens to there knees or worse. So personalities aside all this Alpha, Beta blah blah can be tossed out the window. This is a Survival Of The Fittest concept, where physical dominance ensured mating by providing security for females or by force. To use the Kenye West example, this is evidence that the needs and desires of women have changed from the basics of security and shelter to the Social Media and Fame Wh. Es that are so commonly found today. Enough on this topic, lets go to some more interesting theories you have presented.

Sorry for the long entry but this has hit me one of my passion areas. History and Science are two of my favourite things just after: Sex with beautiful women, Whisky and food.[/QUOTE]I think it would be foolish to throw the alpha, beta, etc dynamics out the window. Your assessment is correct in the context of society at large and long term relationships. However, there is still the matter of carnal attraction that is preprogrammed in our biology. Thousands of years of progress in science, technology, and culture pales in comparison to the millions of years of evolution that has led to our current physical form.

Simply put, our hardware has not kept up with our software. Women are still hardwired to be drawn to dominant, often physically dominant, men.