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You have to anticipate that these attractive girls have plenty of potential novios in their inner circle and home towns. Anyone who believes they're the favorito is kidding themselves. Relationships and friendships are two way streets. Would these girls hang out with us or bang us if we weren't compensating them? Would these girls lift a finger for us if there was no more money and we are the ones down on our luck? This is all a good time and a fantasy life. It's just not a substitute for the real world.
[QUOTE=Sol12;2618393]I understand his point of view and I agree that no one should go looking for a relationship with a working girl but what is wrong how he paints every girl to be the same. The same could be said for every guy that goes to Tijuana that the girls see us the same way. Obviously we are all different. Besides the only guys that get hurt in the Zona are ones that aren't wise enough to see the games. Usually it's guys that are looking for girls that art way out of their league. Now the only thing that I will say about most girls in Tijuana now is different to 20 years ago when a lot of bars had girls to drink with more and weren't looking to go up every time.[/QUOTE]I agree completely with your statement. It is funny how people attack another's opinion on these forums. It is like any ideas that contradict their's they will take as a personal attack. Well my country is a free one and I will allways exercise my right to freedom of speech no matter who it might offend. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
Big Majick,
Bar girls have to pay rent, buy food, booze, drugs, support BFs, kids, families. For most it's a struggle for survival every night. Working in the bar is very serious business to them. They have met hundreds guys who think they are slick and suave and can game them into giving free or cheap sex. Most have been fucked, impregnated, saddled with babies and abandoned in their young ages by guys. Bar girls are probably the most cunning and cynical creatures on earth. They just hate and despise guys who try to take advantage of them. Good luck to try to find that niave innocent young girls who have not gone through a couple abusive relationships and are unattached, looking for romantic relationships with guys in puta bars.
Doers anybody walk into a burger shop and hope to get a free $1 burger? Bar girls' companies, time and sex sessions are their serious business. To them guys who try to get free sex or cheap sex are thieves and cheaters, deserving the worst treatments.
Some guys think they are special and can convince bar girls to turn GFs with promises, flatteries, gifts, wining, dining, vacations. The girls would enjoy all those perks, but it's business to them. The need to get paid for their companies is foremost in their minds. Unless the guys pay them for sex on the vacation, she would feel being taken advantaged of. Even the hottest girls who make a lot of money every night fucking guys in the club, not strapped for money, would still insist on getting paid for sex on vacation and feel cheated if not compensated.
It's well known girls in Mexico start their sex lives early. They have plenty of guys they involve with deeply. They don't need more personal relationships with some BS guys in the bars who may only try to fuck them cheap, use them and potentially exploit them. Most have BFs, pimps and kids to support. While there may be exceptions, bar girls are almost always pay for play to mongers, no pay, no play. Show them your hearts of gold and your big wallets and find out how far you can get.
A few of my wingmen thought their generous gifts and expensive vacations compensated the girls for their companies and sex, but the girls feel they are entitled to those free goodies, and still have to be paid for their time and sessions. They called these guys some ugly names and quickly cut off contacts.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2618711]A few years back, a nice, bright, young, good-looking, educated, successful and well-off wingman with a great career, was going to La Zona with me on weekends. He would hang out in Chavelas drinking, partying all night with the girls. He thought Chavelas girls were more attractive and more real, while I found most big, heavy, homely, unattractive, so I would hang out in HK with hot girls. One night a Chavelas woman offered me TLN or $50. I looked at her huge stomach and decided I would never be able to find her pussy buried in all that fat, so I politely declined.
He had a very active sex life with many hot, young civies, but eventually he found a Chavelas girl he really liked. She must have been very attractive as he was smitten. His Spanish was gibberish like a 1 year old, but he would sit and try to talk to her all night, buying her fichas, drinking in her alleged beauty. He was very serious with this girl, wanted to make her a GF, taking her out on dates, gifts, shopping, dinners, clubs, then sleeping overnight in her cramped and cluttered apartment she shared with her sister, BF and kids. He wanted to make the relationship personal, so never offered to pay her. He slept with her in the apartment a couple times then texted me, why she never let him fuck. I told him she was a puta, she fucks guys for a living, she would fuck. But he got nowhere with her..[/QUOTE]This is funny. It reminds me of my 1st year going to zona 6 years ago. A small bar had a middle aged woman who would want to come to my revolucion hotel after she finished at 4 am. She would come in and sleep and I was already tired didn't hit on her. On the 3rd time at my hotel I tried to take her clothes off. She said I needed to pay LOL. I was like what? I spend 70 on drinks with her I thought that was enough. So I never slept with her. All the guys that worked at the bar thought we were a couple but I never slept with her. Then one time she cried when I used the translate app and she saw me sentence hitting on other woman.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2618158]It's preposterous to conclude anything is 100% in life. You have to look at the statistic trends. You should see a very high percentage of putas in Mexico, Thailand, the Phil or any country have their own personal space and love life. They work in the bar to make money to feed their BFs and kids, also their drugs habits, not to date and find love from mongers. Mongers are way low in their list of priority. Good luck if you want to spend time, energy and money to find those putas with hearts of gold.
Contrary to some guys' erroneous guesses, I do and did have lots of successful, fulfilling personal, professional and romantic relationships. If I want to look for girls for romantic relationships, I would aim for the very beautiful, educated, accomplished with honorable professions and good social standings, which many are available for dating, looking for real love and honest relationships, never among the rotten, greedy, drugs -addicted putas who rent their pussies to any monger for money and always scheme to suck money out of guys.
Not that I don't have sympathy for the hardships and abuses that some of these putas had to go through in their lives. I am level, honest and generous with them. But putas are there to sell quick sex for money transactions. If they fulfill their side of the bargain then they deserve respect as honest humans, nothing more. Some guys are just too low down nd desperate to try hard to have personal and romantic relationships with corrupt putas or ex putas..[/QUOTE]The last sentence in this post represents the absolute truth and bottom line when it comes to the question of having a successful relationship with a bar girl. Based on my experience, since going to the bars in 1999, I have met hundreds of girls in these bars. I have had three relationships with these girls. One for 5 years, one for 4 years and the other 2 years. The first one was the infamous Yamilet from Bar Tropical that almost ended up killing me. The other two were great women who ended up being committed and loyal, even though the relationships eventually ended due to my moving to work in other states. So to be honest with you, I would say that your chances of being in a committed relationship with a bar girl, and based on my experiences, are staggeringly low. To the tune of about a. 05% success rate, due to the fact that the bottom line for them is to get the green out of you any way they can. And as I have experienced, they are mostly professional manipulators and con artists who are very good at what they do. So, as Captain conveys, don't blur the line, because you will lose almost every time when you think they might be relationship material. And as another poster stated, Bar Tropical is one of the worst places to think you can have a relationship with a woman. After dating Yamilet and going places with many of her puta friends that worked there. The majority of them have boyfriends (most are worthless leeches), are drug addicts (and yes, many do crystal on a regular basis), and will tap you out of every dime in your pocket.
A working girl is always going to think like one. Same way a doctor thinks like a doctor outside of work too. I know this is all fantasy and pay for play but maybe dating is the wrong word. Its more of just a friendship I would have with working girls. I rather hang out with the dregs of society like putas, drug users and mongers they are more real then the upper class. I have briefly rubbed shoulders with the upper class in America and they are miserable, sad, evil folks. So maybe y'all are right but my goal wouldn't be to fuck them / use them. The contrary actually, I would do for them the same thing I do to all my other friends. Provide them with genuine value and be of service to them. Sure some people take advantage but I know better. Its just the way I chose to live my life.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2617693]A relationship is absolutely possible. I speak from experience. But I think you must consider how or where you fish. I would say there are at least a small percentage of chicas that are good-hearted. This is by no means a criticism, but most guys on here look at the chicas as a business transaction. Nothing wrong with that. 99% of the time, she sees you the same way. But that's how you fish. If that's the interaction, I would agree. No chance of a relationship.
I play the game very differently. Most guys on here will tell me I'm wasting time and money and I understand why. But I value a night of drinking, laughing, partying and talking with a chica as much as anything. And when I find the right girl, life is good. I've had two very serious, honest, long term relationships develop in this manner. It's not easy. There is a lot of suspicion and doubt to overcome on both sides. But if I approached these girls as a business transaction, it would never develop.
As I said, most guys have no interest in a relationship. And more power to them. We all have different desires and pursuits. But I would strongly recommend that we appreciate the phrase ymmv. Saying that every puta lies, always. Or that a relationship could never work. There's part of that mindset that scares me. We are painting ourselves into a small corner..[/QUOTE]I like the post Dchrist and the way you go about things tell me you are seasoned.
Thing is when you get in these discussions it is always one or the other. She is totally into you or totally into your money. The reality is that it is a sliding scale. Yes, pros are 100% about the money but is any woman really 100% into the guy? It is not 1% about money or how the guy makes her look good? I do not know if I buy that 0% is possible with any woman.
So if you accept my premise, I would like to ask you something about Mexican versus American strippers. What I found is that just having plain ho sex (100% transactional) was not that satisfying, so I went the sugar baby route. It varied based on the relationship but what I would say is a pro was 100% money, a sugar baby was closer to 40 to 60% about money, and a GF / wife would ideally be 25% or less. And the SB sex or GF sex was usually light years better than ho sex.
With American strippers, if I went below 90% pay for play, I would get burned. What I mean is that if you had anything other than a casual acquaintance level relationship, you would be taken advantage of. If you gave a stripper a million dollars, she would not appreciate it but think "Yeah, I am so hot. I deserve it. " or "Shit, I should have gotten $2 million out of him. " As long as I was firm on the amount I gave her, things were fine.
In general then, I gave up trying to make strippers into SBs, but once I accepted how they were, they were great. I had some amazing sex, and the sex, because there was even that small percentage of intimacy, was much better than with hos.
I had to stick to [URL]seeking.com[/URL]/ SA to get sugar babies in the USA. [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] or SA is different when I went abroad, and I had several chances to make women into GFs and twice I felt comfortable enough to do that.
I did meet a former stripper in Monterrey who was on seeking / SA. She was different in that she did not have her hand out after sex was over and expect payment like a ho. I helped her out and took her on trips and had a great time with her but she was not IMO GF material. SB material for sure but not GF material.
To me, in the USA, there is like this stripper code that is kind of fucked up. It's like "I may grind on a guy's dick topless for money, but I do not fuck or suck dick for it. " As long as you can help the stripper hide the fact that she is not breaking that code, she can be down to play.
So my question is this: Because the Mexican strippers are all fucking and sucking anyway, have you been able to get over that 90% hump? Do you think that is possible? What do you think is the percentage you can get to with a Mexican stripper? IMO and from what I saw the Mexican stripper was not as jaded because being a pro is legal in Mexico and not in the USA.
I am seeing an amazing Colombian woman now and it does not matter to me now, but I did meet a 20 year old from Puerto Vallarta in Tijuana who had only been working in the club a week. We had chemistry and she had an orgasm when we had sex. She was open to the idea of showing me around PV and hooking up with me if I went and saw her. Even though I did not have time to follow up, I felt like with her, she was potential SB material and I could have gotten over that 90% hump with her.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2618696]Here you go.
She made Poker believe she graduated from a university and she's his exclusive GF. He paid big money for this alleged exclusive relationship.
She forgot to tell him it's Putas Universidad, and exclusive to her means fucking a hundred guys a week in the bar exclusively for him.[/QUOTE]I mostly enjoy your perspective but I know this girl better than from the bar I could tell you her real name address, family life I have pictures of her in GDL she brings her books with her when she comes to see me. She is still on the innocent side, I was getting BBFS CIP with this girl, go see if you can get it, her name is Samira at the bar unless she is using a different name 5'2 105 long hair down to her waist brown with blond highlights, nice tight pussy but a little reserved. It is what we are all looking for BBFS with a beautiful new Puta. Unfortunately I could not keep her to myself for more than 9 months, I met her Jan 8 2020. Back in the pond with her.
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Agree with NeverOnce.
I am in this forum to exchange info to get better sexepriences, also to share good things with the bros and have fun with them. I have no need to prove anything to anyone. So far I have lots of fun with quite a few bros in the forum or on site in many mongering locations. Some bros have shown me the sexiest and funniest times in other countries.
I would leave others to pursue their preferences. Only when they are near the point of going in harm ways, then I would let them know in the gentlest ways.
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[QUOTE=BigMagick;2619010]I have briefly rubbed shoulders with the upper class in America and they are miserable, sad, evil folks.[/QUOTE]Being part of said group, I can't really disagree with you for the most part. Although many in the group are more bored than sad or clueless about real life than evil. I too prefer hanging out with the "dregs" of society as you put it. For example, not only are working girls more real in some respects, they are more predictable.
[QUOTE=RikyMichaels7;2618930]The last sentence in this post represents the absolute truth and bottom line when it comes to the question of having a successful relationship with a bar girl. Based on my experience, since going to the bars in 1999, I have met hundreds of girls in these bars. I have had three relationships with these girls. One for 5 years, one for 4 years and the other 2 years..[/QUOTE]About 15 years ago I got so tired of the traditional pay for play Tijuana mongering and set out on an experiment. Would it be possible to enter into a real relationship with bg's and I have learned a lot like ricky I have had several long term relationships and some short term ones mixed in.
Here is some info I have learned over the years. It doesn't take long to figure out if its ONLY about the money, that pretty much summed up the short term relationships. First thing I learned is work slowly, if you meet someone you are attracted to and take them up right away as soon as you become a client that right there pretty much wipes out any chance of a real relationship. You guys might be happy to learn the next thing I learned. Is it important to be guapo (handsome) , hell no I'm old ugly and balding. In the 3 long term relationships I have had the most important thing that has made me good relationship material is being accepted by their families. So far in most cases I hear the same thing, the kids never like who mom is dating and for some reason they like me. Only thing I can think of is I do resemble a clown Jajajaja. But being accepted by the kids does seem to outweigh money and looks. And it is rare to find a bar chica without kids.
So these bg relationships have been the best years of my life seeing Tijuana outside the zona norte has been exciting and fun. I have done it all been to all kinds of fiestas. One advantage is when going to a wedding or similar event you will end up assigned to the table with her bg friends also known as the hooker table.
The first 2 relationships involved girls who had been in the bar life for years but were ready for an exit strategy. They made relationships a little harder to accept. I can never forget the time waking up in bed with my new GF after a great night together she gets a phone call and explains she has to go fuck someone but she will be back in a couple hours. Ok so we can agree these type of relationships are far from normal.
On a side note the current GF was never really a hooker I met her on her first and last night working in a bar. She has been a real sweetheart most of the time. Only drawback of not being a seasoned sex worker is she can't give a decent BJ. I'm pretty sure she doesn't have the dreaded real BF, she is always available and I do have a key to the casa. But I have noticed she does post a lot of sexy pictures on social media and seems to do a lot of facebook flirting. I recently got in her phone and discovered at least one guy sending her money via western union. When confronted she says don't worry she blames some amiga she met on fb who was teaching her how to pick up some extra money. So I quizzed her, so what do you tell these guys? How handsome they are and you love them. She says of course not you tell them how sad you are because your mom is dying and she can't afford the surgery to save her life. Jajaja where have I heard that one before.
As far as these relationships go the one thing I learned from a member of this forum that has proved to be the most important is. The one who cares the most has the most to lose.
[QUOTE=BaxterSlade;2619210]About 15 years ago I got so tired of the traditional pay for play Tijuana mongering and set out on an experiment. Would it be possible to enter into a real relationship with bg's and I have learned a lot like ricky I have had several long term relationships and some short term ones mixed in.
Here is some info I have learned over the years. It doesn't take long to figure out if its ONLY about the money, that pretty much summed up the short term relationships. First thing I learned is work slowly, if you meet someone you are attracted to and take them up right away as soon as you become a client that right there pretty much wipes out any chance of a real relationship. You guys might be happy to learn the next thing I learned. Is it important to be guapo (handsome) , hell no I'm old ugly and balding. In the 3 long term relationships I have had the most important thing that has made me good relationship material is being accepted by their families. So far in most cases I hear the same thing, the kids never like who mom is dating and for some reason they like me. Only thing I can think of is I do resemble a clown Jajajaja. But being accepted by the kids does seem to outweigh money and looks. And it is rare to find a bar chica without kids..[/QUOTE]Right on the money Baxter! The girls that I had relationships with were not the hardened long timers. They had worked in the bars for only a short time. Both hated having to work in the bars and wanted an exit strategy. They, unlike most hardened putas, actually came from decent families and were empathetic and respectful. 99.05% of the rest of the women I met knew every trick in the book to get money. Some of them had several dudes sending them Western Union money monthly, not to mention boyfriends.