Hong Kong Club Reports

[QUOTE=Jackie888;2440051]Me:

$1 for a waiter per drink, unless he pulls the shake a drink, then $0 and I ask for a new waiter.

$1 at the restaurant.

$0.25 for the bathroom.

$1 for a border ride. Unless its the ingrate sarcastic fuckhead that drives at the HK old border, then $0.

$1 for the 80 year old lady selling candy for $0.25.

$0 for the guy opening the oxxo doors.

$0 for beggars.

$5 for some bouncers for Christmas.

$0 for new chicas because I am already paying their 20% chino tax.

Free dinner at my favorite chica's favorite restaurant.[/QUOTE]Chino tax? Can you elaborate? I assume you mean a chica will charge you more. Don't you yell her to bugger off given there are so many options? Asians probably makeup a smaller portion of the fat, hairy and smelly segment. I have so many questions but will stop here.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;2439949]You're tipping the girl because you think she's not charging enough money? :D[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I knew you'd have something to say buddy! Your post was one of the ones that I was most looking forward to!

I tip because she's providing a service. And those beautiful ladies, along with waiters that serve me in restaurants, bartenders & a whole bunch of other service workers that I deal with, receive tips from me. And the reason I tip for services is three-fold: 1. A lot of folks actually depend on tips to make ends meet & I feel for them. 2. I appreciate how difficult it is to work in the service industry & tipping is my way of showing my appreciation. 3. Tipping 20% is just so set in the way that I do business with people that it would be hard for me to change it at this point. When I'm on tour in other countries, I often get chastised by the locals for over-tipping. Such is life. If that's the worst thing that happens that day, I can somehow find a way to live with it.

Now, to exemplify the 2nd point, I ask you to consider a waiter. Is it difficult for him to bring a plate of food from the kitchen to your table? No, not necessarily. However, is it difficult for him to 1. Bring the CORRECT plate of food, just the specific way you ordered it, keeping it separate from all of the other gluten-free / kosher / allergic to tree nut orders he has to deal with during that hour while 2. Being harassed by the asshole at table 12 who is yelling at him about his great dislike of the shape of the restaurant's parking lot, all while 3. Smiling & joking with you enough to make your dining experience a truly pleasurable one? You better believe it's fucking difficult. The same with bartenders. The same with the kid who lugs the groceries to your door. And FOR SURE the same for the beautiful 19 year old bar girl / escort who lovingly coos sweet nothings in your ear while you nail her into a dirty bed, immediately after some sweaty, obese motherfucker with bad breath & a misshapen little wiener talked insultingly to her during sex & then tried to get out of paying her their previously agreed upon amount. If you were doing any of the above mentioned jobs, I would tip you as well. Well, you'd have to be extra nice if you were doing the bar girl job. I'd expect DFK, too.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;2439949]That sort of tipping may be "appreciated" but it's really not part of the Mexican culture. If you contract with somebody to do something for a specific price, you pay it and no more. Unless there's something extraordinary. They don't tip taxis because the fair is negotiated beforehand. They wouldn't tip the plumber or the painter.[/QUOTE]I hear you but again, it's just the way I do business, in the US & elsewhere. I sometimes tip painters & plumbers, as well, especially if they go out of their way to do extra work, etc. Also, when a customer service rep on the phone does a great job for me, I go out of my way to find out the contact info of their supervisor & then I send them an email explaining in detail why I feel that the CSR was exceptional.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;2439949]Lots of guys say the girls asked for $100, they negotiated down to $80 and then tipped $20. That seems to defeat the purpose.

Regardless, I only use pesos and I would rarely tip the girls, outside of maybe rounding up to the nearest 500 pesos, I. E. If we settled on 1400 I would give 1500. The exception, as stated above, is if she went above and beyond. My last threesome I tipped the hooker (the other was a pseudo-GF) nicely because she went above and beyond, allowing BBFS and other things. IIRC it was around 500 pesos, but we'd all been at it for over an hour.[/QUOTE]I seem to remember reading elsewhere about your above-mentioned soiree. You lucky duck!

As a complete side note. I just want to say how great it is to have a place like this where folks, especially like the two of us, on polar opposites of the political spectrum, can come together & discuss stuff like this. And we can have a bit of fun while doing it.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;2439949]It's your money, spend it how you wish. But you are a bad dresser. :)[/QUOTE]Listen, I'll cop to being an idiot, a fool with my money, a liberal waste of human flesh & all the other stuff. But you had to jump on the bad dresser thing, didn't you? Man, you really know how to hurt a guy.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2440111]Chino tax? Can you elaborate? I assume you mean a chica will charge you more. Don't you yell her to bugger off given there are so many options? Asians probably makeup a smaller portion of the fat, hairy and smelly segment. I have so many questions but will stop here.[/QUOTE]The chicas has a presumption that Asians are rich. So they start negotiation high. And they sometimes go into their puta hissy fit when I won't pay the $100 premium. I get it from HK meseros too about tips but often give them the bird, the international sign to fuck off.

[QUOTE=JH1001;2440138]I ask you to consider a waiter. Is it difficult for him to bring a plate of food from the kitchen to your table? No, not necessarily. However, is it difficult for him to 1. Bring the CORRECT plate of food, just the specific way you ordered it, keeping it separate from all of the other gluten-free / kosher / allergic to tree nut orders he has to deal with during that hour while 2. Being harassed by the asshole at table 12 who is yelling at him about his great dislike of the shape of the restaurant's parking lot, all while 3. Smiling & joking with you enough to make your dining experience a truly pleasurable one? You better believe it's fucking difficult.[/QUOTE]I guess there's two different definitions of "easy" when it come to a job. "Easy" as in it's an easy task to perform like carrying a plate of food. And "easy" as in easy to learn, requiring little or no training / education / intelligence. A garbageman's job can be defined as the second definition of easy. Whether it meets the first definition is debatable.

But what you describe above about a waiter's job being difficult, well, not really. You describe tasks in which waiters do not perform, such as making sure the food is prepared the specific way it was ordered and keeping food separated. Those tasks are performed by the cook, not the waiter. And the tasks you describe as "difficult" can only be difficult for people with an IQ below the level of imbecile. You say that bringing the "correct" plate of food is difficult? How hard is to tell the difference between a hamburger and a salad? Not that hard I hope. Bringing the correct food is so easy any 10 year old can do it. And while on rare occasions customer do complain to the waiter about things that are not under his control, like the parking lot, it is extremely rare. Most diners' complaints involve quality of food or poor wait service such as forgetting to bring requested items. Overall, a waiter's job is extremely easy. Greet customer, write down their order, relay the order to the cooks, carry plates to the table. Follow up a couple times to make sure food is satisfactory and offer refills and condiments. It's about as easy a job as there is.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2440101]............ Col sanders went broke many times in his life and at 65 was going to commit suicide. Instead he started KFC in his mid 60's and died a billionaire. Only in America.[/QUOTE]What a pity he didn't start KFC 40 years earlier so he could have banged multiple hotties in his youth.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2439973]Sean do you realize how lucky we are to be born in the US. We hit the birth lottery. I lost my job because of the coronavirus. 2 weeks ago I received what I thought was my final check. This morning I checked my bank account and I saw 1800 dollars deposited in my account. I freaked. I checked to see where it came from and lo and behold the company I worked for decided to give everyone a 2 week severance type payment to help us out until we get back to work. I'm not even full time there. The company didn't have to do that for us.

On top of that, I will be getting 1200 from the government that they printed out of thin air. On top of that, I will be getting a extra 600 a week on top of my unemployment check. I am going to make more money off this virus than I ever could have made working. These girls in mexico and Colombia won't get any money when this whole economy collapses. They will be starving. The difference between us and them is I was born here and they were born there. You think when I can get back to Colombia or Tijuana I won't spread the wealth a little bit after all the free money I'm getting in the next 6 months. You damn right I am. I won't be stupid with it but I will be tipping girls that provide good service and I enjoy being with. Have a heart man. Quit looking at life as for me to win they have to lose.[/QUOTE]The worse aspect of this virus is the effect it will have on the girls. You have a very admirable positive attitude.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2440101]Col sanders went broke many times in his life and at 65 was going to commit suicide. Instead he started KFC in his mid 60's and died a billionaire.[/QUOTE]No way was Sanders ever even close to being a billionaire. There weren't that many billionaires in the 70's and Sanders certainly wasn't one of them. And he only lived a few months into the 80's before he died. KFC sold for $2 million in 1963.

His net worth was probably around $4 million at death.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2440107]As far as meseros go I hate their guts. They drive me crazy and ruin the experience. You sit down with a girl and they interrupt you constantly about buying a drink. They are exhausting. I don't miss HK at all. I prefer dejavu now for the laid back atmosphere and cool waiters that don't bother you unless you call them over. I get more bang for my buck there when you buy a girl a drink. They will grind on you for 10 minutes off that one drink. I can't wait until the economy opens back up.[/QUOTE]How are the chicas in Dejavu compared to HK?

As somebody coming from a food service background I beg to differ. If you had one customer per hour to deal with as wait staff maybe your point would be more valid but anybody who has ever bartended, served, or cooked in a busy fast paced environment such as HK knows better. First you are dealing with drunk and obnoxious customers. People here will plead to be perfect customers that never complain but the reality is different. The environment; loud music cigarette smoke, people vomiting, fights are some of the routine things you deal with on a nightly basis regardless of what restaurant or bar in the world you work in it's part of the job. I agree that the waiters can be dicks but how many cheap skate rude demanding customers did he have to deal with before you. A sever who wants to make tip money is usually handling 4-7 customers demanding things left and right, food, drinks, pussy, etc all on top of not being able to hear because of loud music and slurred speech. To paint these guys work as so easy a fifth grader can do it, I challenge anyone one on this board to work a FRI / Sat night in HK and see how well you do. If anybody is up for the challenge PM me and your first arriba is on me. Cheers.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2440243]I guess there's two different definitions of "easy" when it come to a job. "Easy" as in it's an easy task to perform like carrying a plate of food. And "easy" as in easy to learn, requiring little or no training / education / intelligence. A garbageman's job can be defined as the second definition of easy. Whether it meets the first definition is debatable.

But what you describe above about a waiter's job being difficult, well, not really. You describe tasks in which waiters do not perform, such as making sure the food is prepared the specific way it was ordered and keeping food separated. Those tasks are performed by the cook, not the waiter. And the tasks you describe as "difficult" can only be difficult for people with an IQ below the level of imbecile. You say that bringing the "correct" plate of food is difficult? How hard is to tell the difference between a hamburger and a salad? Not that hard I hope. Bringing the correct food is so easy any 10 year old can do it. And while on rare occasions customer do complain to the waiter about things that are not under his control, like the parking lot, it is extremely rare. Most diners' complaints involve quality of food or poor wait service such as forgetting to bring requested items. Overall, a waiter's job is extremely easy. Greet customer, write down their order, relay the order to the cooks, carry plates to the table. Follow up a couple times to make sure food is satisfactory and offer refills and condiments. It's about as easy a job as there is.[/QUOTE]

Just for perspective as well. When I was 19 years old I worked as a desk clerk on my feet 8 hours a day inhaling smoke from the customers who came into the hotel to check in. My legs were exhausted after 9 hours and I was just a "kid".

Plus. Inhaling the smoke was not good every day, all day and it's what the waiters and girls need to deal with every day they work.

Another issue is hearing. Long term effects of listening to loud music (yes the sound system is Good! But still listening for that many hours day after day for a few years, I believe it will cause some damage over time which will affect them later in life.

So. Easy. No, it's not when they have to deal with with general public, plus dealing with semi drunk guys all the time has to be a pain.

My hats off to them and when I get the opportunity to tip, I always do and I don't take them for granted.

Goyo.

LOL. JH. You said it perfectly. "And for sure the same for the beautiful 19 year old bar girl / escort who lovingly coos sweet nothings in your ear while you nail her into a dirty bed, immediately after some sweaty, obese motherfucker with bad breath & a misshapen little wiener talked insultingly to her during sex & then tried to get out of paying her their previously agreed upon amount".

Unbelievable what they do with a smile on their face. You can't help but think what a mind-fuck that must be for the girls to be fucked which has to feel a little good just do to the senses etc. But be mentally totally turned off by a guy. If it was legal in the US you would have a whole industry of Physiologists to deal with the mental trauma of fucking guys they despise.

Goyo.

[QUOTE=JH1001;2440138]Ha ha. I knew you'd have something to say buddy! Your post was one of the ones that I was most looking forward to!

I tip because she's providing a service. And those beautiful ladies, along with waiters that serve me in restaurants, bartenders & a whole bunch of other service workers that I deal with, receive tips from me. And the reason I tip for services is three-fold: 1. A lot of folks actually depend on tips to make ends meet & I feel for them. 2. I appreciate how difficult it is to work in the service industry & tipping is my way of showing my appreciation. 3. Tipping 20% is just so set in the way that I do business with people that it would be hard for me to change it at this point. When I'm on tour in other countries, I often get chastised by the locals for over-tipping. Such is life. If that's the worst thing that happens that day, I can somehow find a way to live with it.

Now, to exemplify the 2nd point, I ask you to consider a waiter. Is it difficult for him to bring a plate of food from the kitchen to your table? No, not necessarily. However, is it difficult for him to 1. Bring the CORRECT plate of food, just the specific way you ordered it, keeping it separate from all of the other gluten-free / kosher / allergic to tree nut orders he has to deal with during that hour while 2. Being harassed by the asshole at table 12 who is yelling at him about his great dislike of the shape of the restaurant's parking lot, all while 3. Smiling & joking with you enough to make your dining experience a truly pleasurable one? You better believe it's fucking difficult. The same with bartenders..[/QUOTE]

I would go with May 14th.

[QUOTE=MedalloPack;2440042]I'm going to say approx the week of April 20.[/QUOTE]

I wonder how much the girls make in a day at HK.

A few girls make big bucks.

Some make what. Maybe $200-$300?

Most make $100.

Some that are not so pretty. Maybe $50 if they get no fucky?

One girl told me she lives at the Cascada's and is required to pay $50/ day to live there. Is this true?

Curious if anyone knows.

Goyo.

I agree with the fake butts. I hate them as well as I do fake tits. You can always tell the difference.

I do hate when the mesero's bring girls over. No matter how I describe the type I like they just bring whoever they want it seems. There is one guy, Luis I believe is his name,great guy. , he knows his shit and best fuck in my life was new girl he brought over one time but normally I hate when others do that.

Sometimes the girls are not into meeting you and it shows, like they are forced into meeting you etc.

What I do enjoy seeing (probably due personal childhood issues of not feeling empowered in my own life. Is when the meseros are dragging around the girls by the hand making them go wherever they want. Kind of "power / control / domination" fetish thing I guess. Who knows but it's kind of a turn on. Maybe because untimely it is the girl who has the power over us to say NO, so it's that little glimpse of control where she has to give over her power for a moment.

Goyo.

[QUOTE=Jinxx;2439644]What do you guys usually tip? I usually tip $1 or 20 pesos each time they bring me something and they always seem happy with that. I don't think I've been cheated as far as I know. If I was cheated I was too drunk or busy having a good time to notice.

The most annoying thing for me is when I'm trying to chill and scope out the scene and the mesero keeps bringing chicas to me, but even then I'll just politely decline which sometimes causes the chica to get pissed at the mesero which is funny to see happen.

Meseros can be a big help like when I'm looking for a certain chica or a certain type of chica. For instance I HATE fake butts, so I might tell the mesero bring me a big booty chica but only all natural, or bring me a nice young fresh chica, or if the chica I want is busy he might let her know I'm waiting on her so when she becomes available she comes straight to me. Usually they'll search high and low to find me what I requested which I always appreciate..[/QUOTE]

Jackie has a very good tipping strategy for La Zona.

I would never tip anyone unless they do something special for me. I never give money to beggars or gum sellers to encourage them to beg their whole lives. I give money to needy young mothers with babies, but not when I see them on the street again and again.

Unlike the rest of Mexico, La Zona is an unique place, a huge hot bordelo where pretty sweethearts give guys their companies, entertainment, love and sex. In return, guys are usually way overgenerous to the girls and the workers supporting them. Tipping scale in La Zona is and should be way higher than the rest of Mexico. There are no comparisons.

When in Rome, do what Romans do. I have seen a HK's floor manager tip Pepe's retarded parking attendant when he left his car. I guessed he wanted to make sure nobody messes with it. HK girls usually tip valet parking guys and food workers generously. Even street girls tip tacos guys generously.

HK strippers usually tip the stage handlers 20-30% of their tips. While a few girls get rained with hundreds green bills, most only get a few dollars tips for their acts. Chicago's strippers fare even worse. There are usually 4 to 5 strippers on stage at night; none would get any tips from guys gawking them. Strippers get paid about 500 pesos by the club to hangout all night, doing 3 to 5 strip acts. They even share their tip with stage handlers who collect the tips for them. Strippers and dancers should be tipped for their performances.

I would cruise the club and if I find hot girls, I would stop to pop a few $ into their bras and panties to grope their assets and talk to them. It's a cheap way to get to know hot girls. But for girls who walk around the club asking for tips, I only tip them selectively, not the chunky ones with big fake boobs and fake butts. Girls, who approach me offering their companies, usually get a tip before I turn them down. I minimize tips to meseros and buy drinks directly from the bar without tipping bar tenders. But if I am sitting with girls and meseros bring the drinks, $1 per person served is fair.

Security guys, door men, MCs, floor managers, hotel reception ect deserve tips on special occasions like Christmas and New Year. La Zona workers know who you are and remember your faces as well as your missing tips. They are nice, reasonable, hard working people with minimal wages, who depend on tips for living. They are no where as bad and rude as restaurant waiters in France and Italy. May be God is punishing those rude bad asses with the highest Corona Virus death rate.

We should learn and adjust our tipping practice to get good services and maintain harmony in the pleasure places.