Hong Kong Club Reports

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2440844]HK's bar tenders serve meseros. Did you ever see meseros tip them? I don't think meseros take up collection at shift's end to share their tips with them. Meseros keep all the tips they make.

Everything in La Zona works on incentives and kick backs to the individuals. Unlike the US if HK's bar tenders are allowed to take tip, the meseros would have tipped them. When I tip bar tenders I notice they put the money into the cash register, not their own pockets, and they act cool like it's not necessary or appreciated. I believe bar tenders handle cash for the boss, are not allowed to take money from the bar, and work on salary alone. If they are suspected of stealing from the bar, they may get whacked! I don't want to give tip unnecessarily to help HK's owner get richer! I would rather give that money to the poor girls.

So far they have not resented me or given me hard times. They still sell me beers cheerfully, hold my extra beers in their ice box to keep them cold and give me free beers when the floor managers order them to. I am only guessing. I may be wrong. Any bros have better insight into the bar tenders' compensation please shed some light. Any bro with good Spanish should ask a bar tender. If I am wrong I would tip them from now on.

One big advantage, meseros know I would not buy from them, so they leave me alone, never nagging.[/QUOTE]I don't know the exact system in place at HK or Mexican clubs, but in an American restaurant for example the waiters pay a "tip out" at the end of the night which is a percentage of their tips to the bartenders and the bussers. So the bartender receives that tip out money plus his own tips from whoever he serves at the bar. With the tip out system the bartender has incentive to make great drinks in a timely manner. The better job he does keeping his servers supplied with their drink orders, the more the meseros make which results in more money for everybody. I'd be very surprised if the tips I give the bartenders when they serve me a drink just go straight to the club owner, but hey I guess I could start asking around to get to the bottom of this.

But now that I think about it the clubs do seem like they're not really set up for guys to order from the bar. Many times I've found it hard to even get the bartender's attention to serve me a drink. Many times when I'm sitting at the bar I still end up ordering from a mesero instead of the bartender. But I like taking care of the meseros. I've never really had a problem with the meseros in Tijuana and I'm a cheap bastard truth be told. I used to show up to a club, not spend one single peso inside the club, and grab a chica to go straight arriba. Slowly I started realizing jeez I should let these people at least make something, so I'll order a drink or a ficha just to put a little money in their pocket and gain a little popularity. A little bit goes a long way especially outside of HK and especially on a slow night. But I always make sure to "set the tone" with my mesero like hey I'm going to take care of you but don't try to play me like I'm a chump.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2441175]You are exaggerating the amount of problematic customers those in the service industry. Sure there are a few, and you will inevitably run into them from time to time, but you are trying to make it sound like half the customers you deal with are too demanding, insulting and abusive. Not true. If you provide below-average to good service, these types of customers will be few and far between. It is when you provide terrible service that you will encounter a higher rate of abusive customers. The fact is, if you provide average service or better, the great majority of customers will behave just fine.

My point is, being a waiter is a menial, easy job. Randomly pick 1000 people out of the population. Train them for 2 days and 1000 of them will be able to perform the job. Then take those same 1000 people and train them for two days to be an anesthesiologist. Two days later you will have 0 anesthesiologists.[/QUOTE]So, you had to do it, huh? You just had to play the anesthesiologist card, didn't you? You've been carrying that around in your back pocket, just waiting for a day like today, & then BOOM!

And I thought this was going to be a fair fight.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2441175]You are exaggerating the amount of problematic customers those in the service industry[/QUOTE]And another thing, if I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times, I never exaggerate!

[QUOTE=Jinxx;2441286]I don't know the exact system in place at HK or Mexican clubs, but in an American restaurant for example the waiters pay a "tip out" at the end of the night which is a percentage of their tips to the bartenders and the bussers. So the bartender receives that tip out money plus his own tips from whoever he serves at the bar. With the tip out system the bartender has incentive to make great drinks in a timely manner. The better job he does keeping his servers supplied with their drink orders, the more the meseros make which results in more money for everybody. I'd be very surprised if the tips I give the bartenders when they serve me a drink just go straight to the club owner, but hey I guess I could start asking around to get to the bottom of this.

But now that I think about it the clubs do seem like they're not really set up for guys to order from the bar. Many times I've found it hard to even get the bartender's attention to serve me a drink. Many times when I'm sitting at the bar I still end up ordering from a mesero instead of the bartender. But I like taking care of the meseros. I've never really had a problem with the meseros in Tijuana and I'm a cheap bastard truth be told. I used to show up to a club, not spend one single peso inside the club, and grab a chica to go straight arriba. Slowly I started realizing jeez I should let these people at least make something, so I'll order a drink or a ficha just to put a little money in their pocket and gain a little popularity. A little bit goes a long way especially outside of HK and especially on a slow night. But I always make sure to "set the tone" with my mesero like hey I'm going to take care of you but don't try to play me like I'm a chump.[/QUOTE]It may come as a surprise, but the meseros in HK have to pay to work there. I forget the amount. Weekends cost more than weekdays. I think I've heard that the weekend rate is $40/ day, but I am not positive.

The point is that meseros IMO would never tip anybody because they have to hustle and scam and cheat in order to make that daily nut, just to they can turn some kind of profit at the end of the day. Add a shitton of meseros, far more than is really necessary, and you have fierce competition for every peso, and an atmosphere ripe for ripoffs.

Jinxx.

Waiters in most US bars and restaurants split tips with the kitchen staff at shift ends. They always complain violently with their friends that clients are too cheap on tips.

HK club may be different. Bar tenders and meseros leave their shift separately. One time I was at the meseros' shift-end muster in their lockers room on third floor before they went home. Did not see any collection of tips from meseros to split with anyone. AFAIK meseros keep all tip money to themselves.

If you can, ask bar tenders or managers if they are allowed to keep tips from clients or have a split with meseros at shift ends.

Now that HK is temp closed, does anyone know how to get ahold of HK girls that might be willing to still meet up? I don't have any numbers or names. Just curious where they might be advertising or if there's a way to find them.

Meseros (waiters) are typically middlemen that increase the cost of the girls. At Adelita's and HK they are not too invasive; however they sometimes follow you like puppies. That's really annoying. On the top op that, when you talk to a girl, they literally put themselves in the middle of your conversation; they also hold the girls for long time acting as if they were clients. I prefer to give money directly to the girls; they are the ones who give me the service. When I order a drink, I always order it directly from the bar counter.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2442002]Meseros (waiters) are typically middlemen that increase the cost of the girls. At Adelita's and HK they are not too invasive; however they sometimes follow you like puppies. That's really annoying. On the top op that, when you talk to a girl, they literally put themselves in the middle of your conversation; they also hold the girls for long time acting as if they were clients. I prefer to give money directly to the girls; they are the ones who give me the service. When I order a drink, I always order it directly from the bar counter.[/QUOTE]Just go upstairs and it is not an issue at all. Better yet take the girls to Azul. I would kill to be at HK now, at least I can work. This real sucks.

You know when you are watching porn and really getting into it when some guy sticks their face on the screen and kills everything? That's what I feel Meseros are, only worse because they expect to get paid for it.

The only time a guy improved my experience there was the first time I went to Hong Kong. I got a VIP card and asked for the half priced lap dance and the bouncer asked if I was into small waist large boobs and hips. I said hell yeah and he found me the best girl I've ever got there. The lap dance was fully nude and lots of rubbing. I asked for arriba immediately and it was the best 10 seconds of my life. I went back down and tipped that guy a fiver. Prob should have tipped him 20.

[QUOTE=Duncan216;2442041]You know when you are watching porn and really getting into it when some guy sticks their face on the screen and kills everything?[/QUOTE]Every single porn director that's ever lived is homosexual. I mean, there's really no reason why I should know what a single male porn star's face looks like, much less 1000. For the life of me I can't figure out why these idiot gay porn directors insist on constant closeups of the male actor's face, usually contorted with wild exaggerations of pleasure. I get so irate I can't even watch that much porn anymore.

[QUOTE=Duncan216;2442041]You know when you are watching porn and really getting into it when some guy sticks their face on the screen and kills everything? That's what I feel Meseros are, only worse because they expect to get paid for it.

The only time a guy improved my experience there was the first time I went to Hong Kong. I got a VIP card and asked for the half priced lap dance and the bouncer asked if I was into small waist large boobs and hips. I said hell yeah and he found me the best girl I've ever got there. The lap dance was fully nude and lots of rubbing. I asked for arriba immediately and it was the best 10 seconds of my life. I went back down and tipped that guy a fiver. Prob should have tipped him 20.[/QUOTE]LOL, dude you said seconds and you meant minutes.

I know a Tijuana local who gives 20 a day to street beggers, she would only tip about 50 cents a beer in restaurants bars etc so since I spend 90% of my beer and entertainment $ in tijuana, I decided to stop tipping 1 dollar a beer in hk. It did not go well. By the 2nd time the guy gave me my 50 cents or 75 cents back. I sit at the bar, so this guy doesn't do any work like a waiter in a restaurant. I just don't want to be on waiters shixx list from buying drinks from the bartender directly. These masteries in hk even if you subtract 40 a day to work in the place, no way they don't make 4, to 8 an hour. If you need a drink, it's not like they are standing around doing nothing. They are busy half the time. Remember, some guys order 200 or more in drinks. Asuming those big spenders are tipping aproprietly, and knowing most mongers tip double to triple of what they would tip staff or bars in San Diego for their hometown, I think these waiters in hk are making good money. 40 a day in tijuana isn't bad. I know people on Tijuana who pay 200 to 350 a month for a house with 4 bedrooms. They also get health care that is close to free. Even 30 a day 6 days a week you are living better than many americans. Half the people in NYC work more than 5 days a week and many share bedrooms, 2 people a bedroom, 6 people in 3 bedroom apt, all high school and some college graduates, all full of school loan debts.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2442174]LOL, dude you said seconds and you meant minutes.[/QUOTE]Seconds my friend, seconds.

I was impressed with myself that I didn't nut at the private lapdance. She had a 10 face and an 11 body. It was one of my first times in Hong Kong so I had first timer goggles on but she looked far better than any porn star or blockbuster actress I'd seen. Her skin had a very slight golden tan with a hint of red and was soft and warm. Her rack had to have been augmented because they were big with no sag but felt like naturals. Her face didn't resemble any actress but was very hot. The way she moved and touched me was better than any stripper or go go dancer. She put all my previous fantasies to shame. I've never seen any girl hold a candle to her in Hong Kong in all my visits after.

By now, she's prob old / ugly / sagging everywhere and moves like robocop. Kinda makes you think, mongering is the best way to live. You get to have the best girls at the best time and way more often. No nagging or yelling or watching what use to be the hottest girl rot into your worst nightmare. Living life to the fullest with money in my pockets and a skip in my step. Write that on my tombstone boys.

My buddy who works as a Meseros at Hong Kong told me during this time they are remodeling the place since they are closed due to the Corona Virus Pandemic. He told me he never thought this would happen and said that it's hitting them really hard. Here are some pic from his instagram story of them fixing and cleaning up the place. At the back enterence they added a sign that said Exclusive Miami. Don't know what that is about didn't ask.

[QUOTE=Dogers69;2442234]I know a Tijuana local who gives 20 a day to street beggers, she would only tip about 50 cents a beer in restaurants bars etc so since I spend 90% of my beer and entertainment $ in tijuana, I decided to stop tipping 1 dollar a beer in hk. It did not go well. By the 2nd time the guy gave me my 50 cents or 75 cents back. I sit at the bar, so this guy doesn't do any work like a waiter in a restaurant. I just don't want to be on waiters shixx list from buying drinks from the bartender directly. These masteries in hk even if you subtract 40 a day to work in the place, no way they don't make 4, to 8 an hour. If you need a drink, it's not like they are standing around doing nothing. They are busy half the time. Remember, some guys order 200 or more in drinks. Asuming those big spenders are tipping aproprietly, and knowing most mongers tip double to triple of what they would tip staff or bars in San Diego for their hometown, I think these waiters in hk are making good money. 40 a day in tijuana isn't bad. I know people on Tijuana who pay 200 to 350 a month for a house with 4 bedrooms. They also get health care that is close to free. Even 30 a day 6 days a week you are living better than many americans. Half the people in NYC work more than 5 days a week and many share bedrooms, 2 people a bedroom, 6 people in 3 bedroom apt, all high school and some college graduates, all full of school loan debts.[/QUOTE]I think you have come to the conclusion that, in HK, a 50 cent tip on a $4 beer is adequate. I agree.

If you are tipping with two quarters, I suggest you instead get yourself Kennedy halves to use instead.

Kennedy halves are just about the same size as Mexico's rarely circulated 20 pesos coins, so recipients likely will think the tip is more than it really is.

No HK mesero has ever tried to insult me by returning my 50 cent or 75 cent tip.

But if one did, I know exactly what I would do.

I would remember his name and number and return to HK the next day. When asked to order a drink I would ask for that same mesero and make my drink order.

It is my understanding that all HK mesero have a working knowledge of English, like it is a requirement in order to be a HK mesero.

After he served me my drink I would thank him verbally and then tell him that I specifically asked for him because he didn't need tips and returned my last one that I gave him.