Kyiv

In Kiev working recently, I don't have time to do research, put in legwork to build up contacts or am able to stay up all night going to the clubs and language skills zilch so I know my limitations in terms of options. I have visited a couple of apartments before with decent outcomes plus I have had an incall to my hotel but the aggravation re language, finding addresses is time consuming and the hit and miss nature of the hobby is problematic.

On my last visit I was indifferent about indulging as I do get plenty in other locations I go but I was feeling horny so called Salon Dolly who are located close to my hotel. Full sex is not offered but a happy ending clearly is according to their website. I went with an open mind, happy if all I got was a half decent massage. What followed was way above those expectations. Offered a choice of 3 girls I chose Nastya, she was slim and had decent breasts and body to body was part of the service so no point in choosing a flat chested girl!

1 hour later I had a very relaxing oily full body massage followed by body to body massage ending with a very nice oily breast wank and handjob whilst my hands strayed all over Nastyas oily naked body. She brought me to a really unforgettable climax so much so I was wobbly when I left. The experience was way better than many full sex encounters I have had in the past and next time I am in Kiev I will definitely return. A great option if you're feeling lazy or short of time. Damage UAH 350 + 50 tip

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1322161]I'm not interested about 1200 phone imaginary numbers you have in your phone.[/QUOTE]The guy with the alleged "1200 phone numbers in his phone" isn't Uke B, but the one who [I]" plays the game at a different level then most on this site" [/I] And who "[I]jugles dozens of hots girls all over the world"[/I]. (wink)

[QUOTE=Bloke;1322229]In Kiev working recently, I don't have time to do research.[/QUOTE]Thank you Bloke. Information saved. Good to see a report and even better to see a post without the all to frequent and desperate self stroking going on here most of the time.

B.

[QUOTE=Bloke; 1322229]In Kiev working recently, I don't have time to do research, put in legwork to build up contacts or am able to stay up all night going to the clubs and language skills zilch so I know my limitations in terms of options. I have visited a couple of apartments before with decent outcomes plus I have had an incall to my hotel but the aggravation re language, finding addresses is time consuming and the hit and miss nature of the hobby is problematic.

On my last visit I was indifferent about indulging as I do get plenty in other locations I go but I was feeling horny so called Salon Dolly who are located close to my hotel. Full sex is not offered but a happy ending clearly is according to their website. I went with an open mind, happy if all I got was a half decent massage. What followed was way above those expectations. Offered a choice of 3 girls I chose Nastya, she was slim and had decent breasts and body to body was part of the service so no point in choosing a flat chested girl!

1 hour later I had a very relaxing oily full body massage followed by body to body massage ending with a very nice oily breast wank and handjob whilst my hands strayed all over Nastyas oily naked body. She brought me to a really unforgettable climax so much so I was wobbly when I left. The experience was way better than many full sex encounters I have had in the past and next time I am in Kiev I will definitely return. A great option if you're feeling lazy or short of time. Damage UAH 350 + 50 tip[/QUOTE]This is the only reason I keep checking this site. For authentic experience reviews with descriptions and locations of where to get some fun. There is so much rambling nonsense here it's so refreshing to see a proper, useful review at last.

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1321837]Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1322161]We are living in democratic world, I can write whatever I want without asking your permission, your brightness. As for Lj, he brings us 1000 times better information than you do. I'm here to get information that I need and use it even if it seems boring to you. I'm not interested about 1200 phone imaginary numbers you have in your phone. He dissapeared recently and I hope he continues to write here and don't get scared from your agressive comments. We are looking for you to come back Lj.[/QUOTE]Dear Ronaldinjo,

I haven't disappeared. Nor have I ever been scared by the aggressive comments of a few assholes that inhabit this thread along with the rest of us. Just as the human body has a mind that can dream and a heart that can sing, eyes with which to behold the beauties of Kiev, and tongues with which to tastepossessory also possesses an asshole through which passes all its drek and dross that should be eliminated, so too does this ISG thread on Kiev have it's dreamers and thinkers, its singers and its venerable masters, and yes its assholes too, through which pass all their drek and drivel onto this thread for your reading pleasure. And you assholes know who you are! In the interests of avoiding a war, I shall not name names. But if upon reading these my words your sphincter is puckering and your juices fuming with anger or irritation, then you are one of the assholes. And if you are laughing, then you are one of the good guys.

Ahhhh. Writing that paragraph was immensely satisfying. I hope why'all out there were as entertained in reading it as I was in writing it. LOL.

Now, Ronaldinjo, the girls typically take me for a good looking 35 to 37 year old guy, so what's with the hello "old man" stuff? I guess some might say "hello Old boy" with the meaning of "hello old friend", so in my vanity, I shall assume you meant it as such.

I haven't posted for a relatively short while because I was waiting for all the nonsense about all kind of extraneous topics to die down, and for the discussion to turn back to our thread's proper topic. Questions and advice on scoring hot pussy in Kiev, be it p4p or freebie sex (I have long since recommended dividing the thread between these two essentially different types of girl-seeking). There has been all this stuff about France bashing and defending, a personal war of words between Prosal and CD, where Russian women prefer to travel, and sundry other off topic stuff, that anything I might have written would be of no use to the newbies who needed any help or advice because it would have immediately been buried in all the drek being spewed out into this thread. And you have to be careful too of which question you ask here, or Jojosun will, in his desire to be helpful, dump the entire pertinent Wikipedia article into this thread for your reading pleasure, and then do it twice, as is his custom.

And it is a given, that newbies, who are the ones who might benefit from what I wrote, will definitely not bother to research the thread conscientiously, and therefore will not spot my post of even two weeks prior, before asking questions just answered. So what would be the point of posting the general information type post I do once in a while? It wouldn't benefit newbies, as it would immediately be buried by the flurry of nonsense being posted of late, and would only irritate those veterans who have short fuses. So better to allow the current trend of discussion to exhaust itself, in my opinion.

The truth is that my last posts were only a short two weeks ago, on this thread, and I haven't gone anywhere. No one's asked a question recently that needed a response beyond what I posted then. For any newbies needing or desiring my comments here are some links to my recent comments that might interest you:

Cost hierarchy of p4p in Kiev.

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1316208&viewfull=1#post1316208[/url]

This report earned the following nod from veteran Cruiser D:

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1316503]That report nicely sums up everything you need to know about p4p action in Kiev based on good intel written in this forum.

Someone should ROD it.[/QUOTE]Prices Update.

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1318574&viewfull=1#post1318574[/url]

This report was in response to Salbatorxxx's question to the forum about Rio, and to any honest reader the report maintains its objectivity and while discussing Rio in response to the question asked, as it must, also put that strip club option into the proper context of the other options available in Kiev, as well as candidly pointed out the deficiencies of Rio in comparison with other strip clubs, and its sole advantage being regarding price for take out.

This report, as well as the previously referenced report, are a complete rebuttal to the "mythology" a few assholes on this thread are trying to promote that my reports are pushing the Rio option, and shilling for Rio, over other options for Kiev mongering. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just follow the links I provided and read what I have actually written in my posts and you will see the lie exposed by the actuality of my words, and the truth shall then dispel the myth. I state this for newbies, so that they don't get confused by the stupidity being posted by a few idiots on this thread. What I have written is clearly objective and fair reviewing of ALL options in Kiev, pointing out factors that occur to me might be important to other mongers as pros and cons for themselves in each option or venue. There is no shilling going on whatsoever.

There is however a mania that has infected a few zombies here on the thread to the point that they refer to Rio strip club as "the despised club" or not wanting to even utter the unholy name of the place refer to it as "the three letter club" or some other ridiculous manner. Dear newbie, when you read some such references to a place in Kiev that is just like any other place, with no mystery, you should simply know that the author of the comment you are at that time reading is a moron of the first order who resides in an alternate reality from this here and now world, and simply discount what they are saying, once you realize that they have some sort of mental "issue" either with my brazenness in continuing to post my opinion in the face of their intimidation, or they hate the club, or some such other nonsense that has nothing to do with giving you usable information for mongering in Kiev. The intimidation by way of name calling and insult that these guys have tried to foster here on this thread is palpable, and has members afraid to mention they visited Rio or had a nice time there. There are notable exceptions such as guys like Kirsch who posts about his great times without fear and with honesty. The intimidation unfortunately has guys like Jojosun scurrying to quickly disassociate themselves from my mongering objectives or reports. How sad, the lack of backbone. Really Jojo you disappointed me with that one, as well as your latest taunt to Ronaldinjo to find me by calling Rio, haha, which I'm sure you meant as a jest, but nevertheless feeds the mindless myth of the "intimidators" whom you apparently fear. You once posted your analysis that trashed that shilling and multiple identity stupidity by incisive logic. Where is that great mind of yours now? Yet I do not need allies to stand with me openly on this forum, if they don't have the balls to suffer the abuse of the "intimidators" lurking here. My shoulders are big enough to handle the criticism of the cretins who resort to name calling and smear of shilling for Rio that they promote as a myth in order to try to discredit my clearly balanced and honest reporting, such as the last one who tried it, namely PedroToronja. I often receive PM's of support from those who can recognize the difference between truth and bullshit. The symptom of mindlessness is most evident when in response to a cogent argument you see in the next responding post merely name calling and smear instead of a lucid argument. Here is a link to my response to Pedro:

Response to PedroToronja accusation of shilling:

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1319461&viewfull=1#post1319461[/url]

Dear newbie, if you can come away from reading the three posts I just referenced above with any shred of doubt as to my accuracy and integrity in reporting here on this thread, then you are hopeless and I recommend for you to not read my posts. However, if you feel you can benefit from the information I have presented and will continue to present, then by all means drink of these waters and gain knowledge. I think most newbies are intelligent enough to use the sniff test to recognize the bullshitters from those who honestly report on all options and don't have an axe to grind or a bias against any one option in particular. It is for those readers that I post my reports. Live and let live!

[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1319334]I don't think LilJoey or Jojo are. A shill for Rio in the least bit. I simply think they were both grabbing for the lowest hanging fruit and the easiest option.[/QUOTE]Cruiser D is not a fan of my posts, but rather a critic, since he is a veteran who knows the information I post for newbies, and doesn't need it. So to him it's useless, as he can always fall back on the many numbers he has in his vaunted Contacts list of girls in Kiev he previously met over the years. But at least he is honest. He knows the shilling thing is bullshit. However, he feels I took the easy way to finding really hot pussy in Kiev, when there are more fun ways or maybe cheaper ways. That criticism I accept, because you see he is precisely correct. I was looking for the easiest and most sure way to get hot pussy into my bed without fail each night of a three night visit to Kiev. So I looked for the easiest and surest way. If that's what you too are looking for, then my own experiences can be helpful to you. If you are instead looking to chase freebies and not p4p, or your budget or economic mentality cannot allow you to spend more than a minimum of $100 on a p4p experience, then you must find a different guru or source for the good info. My easy and sure way turned out to be an expensive way, but I expected to pay more for convenience and certainty, as is always the case, and tried to get the best prices I felt possible without sacrificing too much convenience and certainty. But I certainly always pointed out the cheaper, but less certain or convenient ways of getting pussy in Kiev. I absolutely never concealed the cheaper ways. So my posts always enabled the reader to choose his own preferences based on the factors most important to each individual monger.

Why did I choose to go into an explanation of the contentiousness that surrounds Rio and some of my posts? Because it became clear that newbies wouldn't understand the history of this dispute. Witness the honest question of Salbatorxxxx a recent poster on this thread, who is completely oblivious to the bullshitters and can't understand what all the fuss they are making is all about. I posted the above, to explain this to him and to other newbies similarly situated. Here's what he wrote:

[QUOTE=Salbatorxxx; 1319552]Guys.

Had I known that my reference of being french would have triggered so many comments, I wouldn't have done it! I thought this forum was about exploring the best possible ways of getting laid in Kiev, not discussing the merits or flaws of the French army. I didn't respond to any of the French bashing as I really don't care about that.

So if I get back to the main subject, I didn't understand Pedro's post on being careful about what people say, especially about RIO. I've been to RIO 3 times and it has been an excellent experience each time. With LJ's post, I know 2 more strip clubs that I'll hit next week (Dolls and Mandarin).

Regarding going to strip clubs being seen as "the low hanging fruit", this is your opinion. I also like to mix it with chasing regular girls at nightclubs but there's no hierarchy for me between the 2 options. A few years back, I used to think that getting a regular girl in my bed was more heroic and then I grew up and realized that the goal was to do the sexiest possible girl (paid or not). I didn't really like the association you made between being a freebie on this forum and taking the "low hanging fruit" option. It's not because someone hasn't been writing on this forum his entire life, that he cannot score a regular girl in a disco and decide what option is good for him. We're all grown men after all.

Voilà

Sxxx[/QUOTE]I agree with the balance of his comments as well. The whole French thing on this thread was completely useless and a waste of time. And there is no hierarchy of what's the best mongering option in the abstract sense, because different mongers have different abilities, different goals, different circumstances, etc. So to each his own. Right on, Salbatorxxxx. You stated it correctly.

In an effort to get this thread back on track, I post the following link to my post on issues regarding using Mamba. Maybe it will generate some discussion on that topic that will provide helpful guidance for those wishing to visit Kiev for mongering. Getting contacts from mamba. Ru is one of the favored methods of finding inexpensive pussy in Kiev, so much more insight and attention should be paid to how to go about it. Here is the link to my thoughts and questions on the topic of mamba:

Developing a Strategy For Using Mamba For P4P:

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1317670&viewfull=1#post1317670[/url]

Happy Mongering.

LJ

Hi guys.

Is it just me or the search engine in mamba. Ru does not work anymore?

I got a free account and the age range search does not apply.

[QUOTE=LilJoey; 13227. The intimidation unfortunately has guys like Jojosun scurrying to quickly disassociate themselves from my mongering objectives or reports. How sad, the lack of backbone. Really Jojo you disappointed me with that one, as well as your latest taunt to Ronaldinjo to find me by calling Rio, haha, which I'm sure you meant as a jest, but nevertheless feeds the mindless myth of the "intimidators" whom you apparently fear. You once posted your analysis that trashed that shilling and multiple identity stupidity by incisive logic. Where is that great mind of yours now? Yet I do not need allies to stand with me openly on this forum, if they don't have the balls to suffer the abuse of the "intimidators" lurking here. My shoulders are big enough to handle the criticism of the cretins who resort to name calling and smear of shilling for Rio that they promote as a myth in order to try to discredit my clearly balanced and honest reporting, such as.

LJ[/QUOTE]Hi LJ.

Replied to the above in detail, but I guess I clicked the key too soon.

I wait to see if it got posted before I re-reply again.

Intimidated never, Entertained and bantering here yes.

[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1322142]With that travel agency. They take care of it, but need to issue RT ticket + hotel and the girl may need to have about $200 in her bank, and show the statement. Is all a con job, but it works and they all do it.[/QUOTE]Thaks for your answer. Do you mean any agency or do you mean a special one? Which one do you recommend. USD 200 seems for me not a big amount and I trust is also valid for Switzerland a not EU country but in Shengen. Regarding hotel I plan she will be with me in my apartment.Thanks agai for your valauble info

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1321757]All The Info you need.

There are currently 25 European countries that belong to the Schengen Area: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.

Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.

There are three types of the Schengen visas:

. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.

. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.

. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.

Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)

For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.

Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.

Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.

A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.

SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.

HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.

Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:

. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.

. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)

Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.

Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)

Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)

(Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)

Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.

There are three types of the Schengen visas:

. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.

. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.

. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.

Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)

For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.

Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.

Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.

A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.

SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.

HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.

Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:

. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.

. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)

Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.

Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)

Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)

Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)

You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.

Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)

Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)

Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.

A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).

VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.

The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.

There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.

CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:

Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.

Members of official delegations who, following an official invitation addressed to Ukraine, shall participate in meetings, consultations, negotiations or exchange programmes, as well as in events held in the territory of one of the Member States by intergovernmental organizations.

Members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, if they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the Agreement between EC and Ukraine on the facilitation of the issuance of visas.

Pupils, students, post-graduate students and accompanying teachers who undertake trips for the purposes of study or educational training.

Disabled persons and the person accompanying them, if necessary.

Persons who have presented documents proving the necessity of their travel on humanitarian grounds, including to receive urgent medical treatment and the person accompanying such person, or to attend a funeral of a close relative, or to visit a close relative seriously ill.

Participants in international sports events and persons accompanying them in a professional capacity.

Persons participating in scientific, cultural and artistic activities including university and other exchange programmes.

Participants in official exchange programmes organised by twin cities.

Journalists.

Pensioners.

Drivers conducting international cargo and passenger transportation services to the territories of the Member states in vehicles registered in Ukraine.

Members of train, refrigerator and locomotive crews in international trains travelling to the territories of the Member States.

Children under the age of 18 and dependant children under the age of 21.

What is the Schengen Information System (SIS)?

The Schengen Information System was introduced as a result of the agreements between the Schengen countries on police cooperation and assistance for purposes of prevention and search for punishable facts, and also for the purposes of preventing illegal migration from the third countries to the countries of Schengen area.

The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.

VISA WARNING.

Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.

You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.

Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)

Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)

Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.

A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).

VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.

The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.

There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.

CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:

Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.

Members of official delegations who, following an official invitation addressed to Ukraine, shall participate in meetings, consultations, negotiations or exchange programmes, as well as in events held in the territory of one of the Member States by intergovernmental organizations.

Members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, if they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the Agreement between EC and Ukraine on the facilitation of the issuance of visas.

Pupils, students, post-graduate students and accompanying teachers who undertake trips for the purposes of study or educational training.

Disabled persons and the person accompanying them, if necessary.

Persons who have presented documents proving the necessity of their travel on humanitarian grounds, including to receive urgent medical treatment and the person accompanying such person, or to attend a funeral of a close relative, or to visit a close relative seriously ill.

Participants in international sports events and persons accompanying them in a professional capacity.

Persons participating in scientific, cultural and artistic activities including university and other exchange programmes.

Participants in official exchange programmes organised by twin cities.

Journalists.

Pensioners.

Drivers conducting international cargo and passenger transportation services to the territories of the Member states in vehicles registered in Ukraine.

Members of train, refrigerator and locomotive crews in international trains travelling to the territories of the Member States.

Children under the age of 18 and dependant children under the age of 21.

What is the Schengen Information System (SIS)?

The Schengen Information System was introduced as a result of the agreements between the Schengen countries on police cooperation and assistance for purposes of prevention and search for punishable facts, and also for the purposes of preventing illegal migration from the third countries to the countries of Schengen area.

The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.

VISA WARNING.

Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your valuable info

[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1322910]Thanks for your valuable info[/QUOTE]Welcome my friend.

My other friend on this thread Liljoey didn't think I should have posted it in full and twice as well. I agree, but there was an error and on half a bottle of wine by then as usual.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1322906]. Switzerland a not EU country but in Shengen. Regarding hotel I plan she will be with me in my apartment.[/QUOTE]I she stays with you then you need to send her a certifed letter of invitation.

[QUOTE=El Cubanito;1321047]. I did get lucky as I made friends with these locals who spoke English and got to hang out with them. They introduce me to one of there friends, who made the whole trip worth while.[/QUOTE]Hi Guy, your postbox is full so delete your old mails. And tell us, where did you get lucky and contact locals who introduced you to normal girls? Pm me, RB

I often forget about how clueless guys on here can be.

Yes, there are nightclubs in Kiev, a whole bunch. In these nightclubs are these creatures called girls (hopefully).

If you speak only English and approach these 'girls' in a Kiev nightclub 70% of the time they will say one of two things (without being prompted) 'I am not a prostitute' or '$500 (or whatever number) '. Ah, the joys of Kiev.

If you want a list of nightclubs in Kiev try using this magical thing called 'the internet'. Go to google. Com and type 'nightclubs Kiev' or 'nightclubs kyiv' and hit return. Maps, addresses, videos, reviews. Wow!

I never said I fucked 1200 girls, simply that I have 1200 Ukrainian girls contact information in my Ukrainian mobile phone. If I had to guess I'd say I probably tapped about 20% of them.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1321654]"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.

[url]http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1322919]Welcome my friend.

My other friend on this thread Liljoey didn't think I should have posted it in full and twice as well. I agree, but there was an error and on half a bottle of wine by then as usual.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Jojo, please don't take any offense. The sign of a true humorist is that one can also laugh at oneself. I was merely trading jokes with you. You know, like the "Your Momma" lines that our African American brothers love to trade. Somehow I know you must have laughed just a little. I certainly don't feel there was any issue with posting the whole article. It was obviously something of interest to some people here. And let's face it, who am I to talk about long posts. Talk about the "pot calling the kettle black". Some of my posts are as long if not longer. And I think I know why you need to post things twice sometimes. Could it be that "Big Brother" has denied you the ability to edit your posts, leaving you with only the option of correcting a post and re-posting it? Anyway, it wasn't even the 2nd posting of the same article which tickled my funny bone. What did it for me was Sponsor 74's quoting the entire article again yet a third time, instead of editing it down to a mere reference, in thanking you for posting the info, which inspired my jest. So post away to your heart's content, Jojo, and know, in all seriousness, that it was merely the laugh I was going for.

LJ

I have no idea how I would meet girls without the nightclubs. Most of the beauty in Kiev lies with the girls that live in the outer rings. Without venues to concentrate all this pussy, it would be difficult for foreigners to access what's here. Many of these glamour models and just pretty girls do not possess the social fabric to gain good employment in the city. Most just want to eventually find a guy that will take care of them so they can have there one kid. Many Ukranian men are poor prospects because they neither have access to good employment. If a Ukranian guy, has the right education and can work among corporate culture, he will choose a wife that is socially equal to himself. Rare that he will care to have some trophy wife just for the sake of beauty. So it is your job to come to Kiev and rise above the tourist crowd so that you can access one of these poor socially trapped hotties.

Guys that down nightclubs, simply don't have the stamina and persistence of just going. I will be the first to tell you that I have no real game or pickup skills. What I do have is the ability to get my ass out in the field and take whatever rejection some dev wants to through at me over and over again.