General Info

[QUOTE=Last Mohican]A lot of reports on this forum report that there are minor or very little risks of STD through BBBJ. [/QUOTE]

I don't recall seeing reports that claim there is little or only theoretical risk of STDs via BBBJ (but maybe I missed them). There is however only little or theoretical risk of HIV via BBBJ. I have done my studies of the subject and did post the results at: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=360011#post360011[/url]

The girls will in general be quite pleased with you asking for CBJ instead of BBBJ.

Chivaz

Here GPS coordinates of the top three FKK in Frankfurt as well as the top three FKK in Dusseldorf.

Oase N50 14 454 E8 40 659
World N50 31 712 E8 44 931
Palace N50 07 683 E8 37 557
Goldentime N51 15 803 E6 11 259
Happy Garden N51 20 080 E6 23 961
Parksauna N51 07 595 E6 11 516

What is the GPS Coordinate of Colosseum in Augsburg?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Routard]Here GPS coordinates of the top three FKK in Frankfurt as well as the top three FKK in Dusseldorf.

Oase N50 14 454 E8 40 659
World N50 31 712 E8 44 931
Palace N50 07 683 E8 37 557
Goldentime N51 15 803 E6 11 259
Happy Garden N51 20 080 E6 23 961
Parksauna N51 07 595 E6 11 516[/QUOTE]

I will be spending Dec. 5 to 13 in Germany pursuing FKK interests this year and have reserved a 4-door something-or-other from Sixti (fourth door could be in the roof for all I know) to get around in. A couple of those days I may be able to haul other WSG members around to FKK destinations. Definitely not Dec. 9-13 as I will be with friends then. You can PM me in the next week or so after I have coordinated things better and if the times and days work, I'd be glad to act as chauffeur - no charge. I plan on visiting FKK World, Oase, Palace, and possibly one wild night at X-Treff in Altenstadt.
whitey2

If anyone has read Whitey's post - can we just say he was the best company ever when we met him last year. (Hope we are allowed to review other isg members?)

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Upon request, although I have not visited them, and can only rely on info from my navigator software:

Colosseum N48 23300 E10 51778
Samya N50 52344 E6 59704

I have managed to sneak a very limited stop in Frankfurt on my home from Europe. I will be landing in Frankfurt around 2030. I have a hotel along the A5 in the northwestern part of the city. I figure on hitting either Oases, World, or Palace sometime around 11 and staying until 3 or 4 before heading back to the hotel for a couple of hours of sleep before my flight out.

My question is any guidance on which place is most likely to be best that time of night. I have been to both Oases and World many times, but never Palace. I know any given night is different in any of these places, but I would appreciate any tactical advice especially relative to this Thursday night, the 17th.

"...and possibly one wild night at X-Treff in Altenstadt."

I believe they have moved from Altenstadt:

Xtreff Studio
Am Schulzehnten 7
63546 Hammersbach (Langen-Bergheim)

[url]http://www.xtreff.com[/url]

Hi guys,

In the past there have been a lot of questions about etiquette in FKKs such as what to wear, if to negotiate, how to act etc. and most of them have been promptly answered.

I want to bring up the subject of eye contact. I have, like many others (I think), been “guilty” of looking away when my eyes meet a girl that I have no intention of going with. I have rationalized this to myself as not leading the girls on and taking up their time. It is almost like a natural reaction, that is ignoring the girl. I had not given much thought about how this looks from the other end until I had a long talk about this with one of the girls.

She encouraged me not to look away, but to instead really get an eye contact and smile. It should usually not bring any extra pressure, but it would make the girl feel less, how to put it, “undesired”, and it actually was the right polite thing to do. In a FKK club you are in a social situation, perhaps a bit unorthodox one, but still you should apply your social manners in this situation just as you would in another (ok, I know this might not apply to New Yorkers ;-)

So, after this little talk, I decided to put this into practice in the place that usually has the most aggressive girls, Oase. I had so much better time, yes, some of the girls approached me as they thought I was asking them over by my eye contact and smile, but none of them did show any dislike when I explained I just liked looking at them and smile. I had some very nice encounters as a result of this.

So the moral of the story is: Don’t look away like they have a disease or something, it is not polite, actually borderline rude, and it does not do you any good. Eye contact and a smile will get you some nice surprises.

Then again, I might be the only one who has acted this way in the past, and perhaps I am "overgeneralising" (is that a word?) about this....

Chivaz

Hey Chivaz,

Very interesting. The only club where I employ the "look-away" trick is Oase. At World, Palace or PHG I am all smiles. Back in the early Oase days I was also Mr. Smiles but the girls really got aggressive over the years and it became a sort of defense mechanism. And I have to say that it has worked. There are a number of girls at Oase who are border-line scammers and who treat guests rather rudely when you turn them down. (The management could do something about this but they don't seem to care.) All of the girls at Oase who I want to avoid me do, and I don't have to go through those nasty comments that many of them make when you say "no". Rude or not, I think that "ignoring" these bad apples is the lesser of the two evils.

With very few exceptions, I can smile, flirt, laugh, joke, and even occasionally touch girls who I will not session with at Palace or World. The management at these two clubs seems to have made it clear to their female guests that crass rudeness won't be tolerated.

Your point is a very good one and I probably should try to be more "großzügig" with the happy faces at Oase. It's a hard gig and the girls are under pressure to bring home the bacon. But honestly, this is another time when I fault the management. The boss could easily set down some guidelines and rules of deportment. Most of the girls there are cool but too many have really lousy attitudes, and for no other reason than they know that they can get away with it.

Despite this rant, I will try your experiment the next time I visit Oase just to see how it plays. I will practice grinning like an idiot on Maria and Lizzy and see where it gets me ;-))

Good Topic.

Cheers,

Dedalus

I also have only recently learnt that it makes a huge difference to smile and be friendly to the girls even if you have no intention of going with them. I am going to do a further report on my recent experiences at FKKW - most of what I will talk about is partly the result of opening up conversations with the girls

One thing I have seen is girls' reactions to men who ignore them. I have seen girls pull faces behind the backs of men who are arrogant and snooty. Of course not all girls care, but I think it makes a much better atmosphere at a club if some of the men are at least friendly to the girls. And it will make the man who treats the workers as real people stand out from the milling crowd of be-towelled 50 euro notes. Of course there are some girls who will not react positively - but most will. A smile and a compliment cost nothing.

I recently posted under the World thread about my great encounters with Liza from Latvia. I can’t ever expect to experience nicer times with a paid worker in a room. But as I spent over 30 hours at FKKW there were many other things happening which crossed my mind so I want to make some comments, some of which might be of interest to someone. I put th ereport under this thread as I think it is more general in nature

As I got to be part of the furniture At FKKW I gradually got to know some of the girls a bit better – even if only to make the passing remark and smile.

Simply by being there for so long I began to see the girls as real people and the men as an anonymous mass.. Simple observation shows that the girls consider their fellow workers to be their sources of support and comradeship and that the girls value those clients who come back and those who treat them like real people.

The girls are well aware that some men come to the clubs and talk about them as if they were objects – sizing up their tits or asses etc. In the many hours I spent between sessions I saw some men swaggering about as if their ownership of 50 euros made them somehow intelligent or gave them the right to make condemnatory judgements of girls. On one or two occasions I began to feel ashamed of being a man. However this did not get out of hand because it is also obvious that many men customers treat the girls with respect and are liked by their girls. I guess what I am saying is that 50 euros may buy a body but only being a decent human being will stand you any chance of being treated with respect. This is where Chivaz’s point on the general thread about being friendly to the girls is relevant

I don’t want to give the impression that the girls are saints. As I have often said – some girls are out to get as much money as possible with as little effort as possible – putting on a melty face or giggle just so long as it takes to get a man into a room

I spent time with one worker who was having a difficult time and who will not go with me but who is happy to talk to me. I appreciated being trusted as someone to talk to.A point I made to her which resonated was that just because a girl is willing to have sex for 50 euros does not mean that she is to be treated with disrespect.

Whilst I think most, (or nearly all?) isg members treat girls with respect there are many many men who don’t. The stories are typical – men trying to take the condom off while doing doggy style, asking to have sex with no condom (this happens many days to many girls), throwing the girl around the room, trying to refuse to pay, or negotiate low rates, and even non-consensual sex. If the girls get jaundiced about the job I guess this is part of the reason why. What it does mean is that if you come across a nice girl then she will appreciate you enormously if you are kindly. I often ask the girls I go with about the job and what they usually say is that the job is good when the man is nice.

One reason I like FKKW is that I get the feeling that the management do not accept overly boorish behaviour from men or unacceptable behaviour from girls. Anybody who steps over the limits has to leave. This gives some feeling of safety and security. I am not saying that everything is squeaky clean – there is more to heaven and earth than I am aware of (or wish to be aware of)

The weather was sunny and quite warm. Sufficient for some open air melancholia amongst the falling leaves and clichéd reflections on the nature of World as a microcosm of reality. Chance encounters imbued with as much or as little meaning as real life and as much or as little as we wish to give them

And the food continues to be impossible. But that is part of the experience of being vegetarian in Germany. But I know I am not alone – I often hear girls saying how the food is appalling

Shiatsu,

I think you really have hit the nail on the head. In all of my experiences with working girls of any sort, I find the best experience is when I work at trying to please them. And even though it is a business arrangement I try to create the illusion I am seducing them. All that really means is talking to them on a true person to person basis and doing things to get them to like you. The results are generally much better that way.

And even in a FKK club, that little bit can go a long way. I have had some long conversations at World with girls I never even took to a room. I think we all like to talk a bit about our work at times. The girls there are no exception.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]
Despite this rant, I will try your experiment the next time I visit Oase just to see how it plays. I will practice grinning like an idiot on Maria and Lizzy and see where it gets me ;-))
[/QUOTE]

Hey Ded,

Maybe we have come up with an ISG identification. A kind of retard look, smiling all the time. "Hey, there is an ISG member. You can spot them miles away by their stupid grin". I guess things could be lot worse than that.

Chivaz

Thank you Chivaz and Shiatsu for you excellent reports about how to behave in FKK. Hope it will help on educating mongerers.

Yes, I usually smile also to each girl, and if one come to me, I will always have a nice talk with her, no matter if she fancy me or not. Still, I have to add that I feel guilty taking "free" time from a girl who is in the Club for working and not for pleasure like me. I usually make it clear very soon if I don't want to go for a session. I'm embarrased for example when a girl comes to me and asks "want some company?". If I answer "yes", it's nearly if I close the deal. I admit having been for several times on session, not because I wanted sex, but because I wanted to be able to go on the conversation and learn to know better the girl. But then again, when mental chemistry is good, sex is better.