Kyiv

[QUOTE=LilJoey;1327812]An interesting phenomenon was the prevalence At Rio of the girls using the excuse of "I've got my women's period" so I can't go out with you. No less than three girls said that to me after I was sure we had great chemistry and was going to take her home. I asked one of the managers if it was like a bunch of rabbits who all get their periods together? Haha. I smelled something fishy. (pun intended) so when the third girl I had hit on said to me she couldn't go home with me because she had her period, I said to myself,"this is bullshit!" so I insisted (with a smile and charm of course) that, no, she is definitely coming home with me, and to her protestations that she had her period, I said, I don't care, I love it, and smiled and laughed. Anyway, she agreed to come home with me, and even as she was leaving to go get dressed, she was saying,"ok, but you know I have my period." Guess what? When I was going down on her, and when I was fucking her brains out, there was no period! It's an excuse they use.[/QUOTE]LJ,

I've always been an admirer of your advice and anecdotes and like most on this forum am grateful for your input. But you had me confused on this one. If the girl was making an excuse, why would you want to go with her if she wasn't reciprocating this possibility? In the past you have emphasised how important it is to build a rapport with the girl before utilising the option of take-out which isn't cheap. If there was a likelihood she wouldn't be into it, I'm just rather surprised you took her out regardless.

For what it's worth, I hope to be back in Kiev in a few weeks and intend to examine the club scene much more closely. I visited Rio previously and will probably do so again, purely because I like the atmosphere and it is next door to the apartment I have stayed in previously and the beer is relatively cheap. But I never really saw any 9 or 10 rated girls there (maybe except one that I can remember but she was far too tall for a short-arse like me) so will certainly be keen to explore other possibilities.

[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1327812]Dear Ronaldinjo, feel free to PM me if you just want to exchange pleasantries.

I think perhaps you are overdoing it, as I am not a master of Kiev by any means. Just a guy with basic intelligence who likes pretty girls, has no qualms about paying for it, and is happy to share my experiences and insights of how to go about getting high quality p4p pussy in a more or less convenient and guaranteed way during a short visit in Kiev.

Happy mongering,

LJ[/QUOTE]I used and keep using Mamba and all LJ wrote is exactly my experience. The key is when they look for a man 50 or older, or just a man without specifying age. The Admins of Mamba are quite particular and strange. They do remove your photo and threaten to block you if you ask directly for sex. They don't want you to put your email address either and if girls ask openly for money for sex, they apparently also get blocked or their profiles deleted. That may be the reason why so many profiles (practically all) get deleted after a few months. Many girls refuse to write that they want money for sex, they say they discuss the details on the phone. Problem is, for me, I don't speak Russian. I write messages using Google Translate, and that is how I read what they say to me. I am going back in a week, and I already have 'dates' with some 15 girls from Mamba, some of them (at least their photos, which of course they swear are true) are solid 9s and 10s. No kidding.

I contacted 5 model agencies, of fashion photo, advertising. I asked for a model to accompany me on my 'business meetings' and dinner. I got 10 models proposed to me, with the worst being a 9. Incredible beauties. Cost is 400 Euros per model. No word of sex yet. I will ask about extending the company overnight, and (pray for me please) I will see what reaction I get, and share with you. I am ready and willing to cough 1K for any of those beauties if I get the full spectrum of what I expect (If I can fuck the shit out of them, in other words). Let's hope and pray.

Like LJ, I do copy and paste the photos, name, link to their profile in Mamba, phone number, etc. On my Outlook Calendar. Also my own evaluation of the girl and the services they offer (or do not offer, most are very emphatic about NO ANAL) , to my big disappointment. I do the same with the girls from Top-Modals, of which I selected 3 or 4 for this trip. Yes, I still have phone numbers from girls from River Palace. Ukraine is fucking paradise. Literary.

[QUOTE=Kotik01; 1328006]Pedro,

I just know that gia changed the policy of pictures on their website.

Pictures of the girls can vary from very different years and there are. Obviously. A lot of massive photoshopped too.

But:

If you check "your desired girl": you will see a lot of natural and "private" pictures.

There is even one from Olmeca Beach in Kyiv. (pic #8)

I think this should match the reality.

Anyway: just try it. If she not match your desire: give her money for taksi and refuse[/QUOTE]Sorry, I am missing something. I want to try what you suggested, but I don't see a button or menu option for 'your desired girl', or a website with that name. Com. Ua or. Ua What do you mean?

[QUOTE=SexBomb123; 1328225]LJ,

For what it's worth, I hope to be back in Kiev in a few weeks and intend to examine the club scene much more closely. I visited Rio previously and will probably do so again, purely because I like the atmosphere and it is next door to the apartment I have stayed in previously and the beer is relatively cheap. But I never really saw any 9 or 10 rated girls there (maybe except one that I can remember but she was far too tall for a short-arse like me) so will certainly be keen to explore other possibilities.[/QUOTE]If the girl you refer to is, Was Blonde? Then I agree with you she was as close to a 10 as it gets.

Got Pasha the manager to ask her to come over to my table and she did, but she only spoke Russian so she said. I had to pass.

She was one of the most beautiful girls that I saw in Kiev.

She was very tall which suits me fine. .

Was working there in Nov. 09, but I didn't see her again.

Wonder if she is still working there?

[QUOTE=Barba; 1327488]RB,

What makes you think these two are professional hookers?

B[/QUOTE]I was only guessing because they were straightforward about meeting for material support. Maybe there is the reason my Mamba profile suddenly was blocked. Never had this before, and don't understand Why Me? Why Now. Lost several contacts that will take days to find again on my new account. But I had no respons regarding those two

I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.

[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1328529]I was only guessing because they were straightforward about meeting for material support. Maybe there is the reason my Mamba profile suddenly was blocked. Never had this before, and don't understand Why Me? Why Now. Lost several contacts that will take days to find again on my new account. But I had no respons regarding those two[/QUOTE]RB, it happened to me also but I just wrote the admin and asked them to please unblock the profile. And they did, without even responding to my email.

B.

[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1328272]I write messages using Google Translate, and that is how I read what they say to me. I am going back in a week, and I already have 'dates' with some 15 girls from Mamba, some of them (at least their photos, which of course they swear are true) are solid 9s and 10s.[/QUOTE]I try to find girls that know at least basic English and I try to spend some time with them on Skype / YM / MSN / FB / etc if they claim to not be hard core professionals. You just have to wiggle a bit and they will chat with you. Give them a reason and they will give you the time. Some do cam chat as well and at that stage you will be reassured how they look. To collect dates with Russian speaking girls from Mamba is a bit of a gamble IMHO, at least unless you get past the normal exchange of price, date and phone number. I find that many of the real girls have profiles that survive while many of the Russian speaking "girls", especially with generic template responses, are more often deleted. Time wash out the true ones from the fakes. The fake profiles, or rather the ones that I determine to be agencies, always dies within some weeks. Persistence is they key for me, on all dating sites, for all locations I visit. No one (except one or two "winners" here) ever said Ukraine was easy, but better to spend the time preparing than to spend the time in frustration when you are there and ready for action.

B.

Will be going to Kiev next week. Any advice per PM would much appreciated. I prefer quality of quantity.

As it relates to hotels. Trying to decide between Intercon and Premier Palace?

Anyone want to meet up next week just PM me.

[QUOTE=SexBomb123; 1328225]LJ,

I've always been an admirer of your advice and anecdotes and like most on this forum am grateful for your input. But you had me confused on this one. If the girl was making an excuse, why would you want to go with her if she wasn't reciprocating this possibility? In the past you have emphasised how important it is to build a rapport with the girl before utilising the option of take-out which isn't cheap. If there was a likelihood she wouldn't be into it, I'm just rather surprised you took her out regardless.

For what it's worth, I hope to be back in Kiev in a few weeks and intend to examine the club scene much more closely. I visited Rio previously and will probably do so again, purely because I like the atmosphere and it is next door to the apartment I have stayed in previously and the beer is relatively cheap. But I never really saw any 9 or 10 rated girls there (maybe except one that I can remember but she was far too tall for a short-arse like me) so will certainly be keen to explore other possibilities.[/QUOTE]Dear Sexbomb123,

To paraphrase your good question. Why continue to try to take out a girl who has told me she has her period, even if I suspect she does not have her period and is using that claim as an excuse? If she is using an excuse so as not to go out with me, isn't that proof she is not into me, that the chemistry and rapport are lacking, and that if I somehow manage to get her to go out finally, isn't she likely to be a bad date?

It's a fair question. The answer is that in the instances where I persevered to take the girl out, I felt there was definitely chemistry, based on the interaction with the girl up until that point. I knew the girl liked me. There was no mistaking that part based upon our conversation and rapport and the behavior in the private dances. So her refusal to go out and giving the excuse of having her period was accepted by me as truthful at first, because my assumption was that she would want to go out with me if she could. But I handing the back of my mind, the fact that one of my first favoritas at Rio over a year and a half ago, had also claimed to have her period at first, and then changed her mind and came out with me, and we had one of my best sessions ever. And in the course of the session it was obvious she never had her period, and had just said it as an excuse. So after a third girl said it to me on a recent visit, I decided that it was not a true excuse, but that something else was going on. For example, the first girl who said it to me on my recent visit was Tory. Tory is a spectacular looking girl I met last year when she danced in the VIP. She has jet black hair and is a true hard body, with incredible cut musculature in her torso, which I find very sexy. She has a pretty face too, as well as a cute ass. She had agreed then last year to go out with me, but I had never been able to take her because I had other girls I was interested in before her. When I saw her at first this last visit, she was busy with another customer, but she broke free for a short time to cOme over and say hello. It was immediately evident that she was very happy to see me, the electricity was palpable, and the chemistry was definitely there. I am not a delusional patsy. Anyway, she was busy that night. I made up with her that I would come see her the next night and we would finally haven our date. She agreed wholeheartedly. I didn't end up taking anyone out of Rio that night, having just finished an excellent session with a $100 / hour mamba girl before coming to the Rio club. But the next night when I returned, I had intended to take out Tory, at long last. She came over to me, and we had a nice chat, but then she told me she could not go out with me that night. I believed her at that moment when she said she had her period. I am puzzled now in afterthought as to why she made such an excuse, when I now believe that was all it was. But I am absolutely certain that if and when Tory comes out with me sometime in the future, the sex will be scorching hot. I really like the girl, and I just feel it in my gut that she likes me.

So I guess the answer to your question is that it depends on the situation. In general, your warning of a possible bad session up ahead should be taken as a serious possibility. But to that I add that one can override that concern with gut intuition about the chemistry with a girl, in a suitable case. I have done so several times, and have not been disappointed with the girl afterward.

Perhaps some girls have hesitations and are nervous about going out in general. When you persevere and keep trying to get them to come out with you, you somehow prove to them that you really are nuts about them. That seems to make a difference to them.

When I asked the girl I mentioned above that I met a year and a half ago, why she refused me at first, and then later in the private dance, she changed her mind and agreed to come out with me, her answer was, that during the private dance she saw that I really wanted her (as if my huge erection could leave her any doubt about that. LOL.) I guess she needed the reassurance of seeing how much I responded to her. I also think I turned her on with some of the stuff I did to her in the private dance too, and perhaps that was a factor too. Anyway, the memory of her refusal at first, and the awesome date that followed (I have dated her many times since then) was in my mind.

So I knew the possibilities, and trusted in my gut intuition that it would be good with a girl, even if she gave me an excuse at first. With a girl I didn't know enough to have the basis for any gut intuition feeling about her, I probably would not have taken a chance on her, to persevere and try to get her to go out, for the concerns that you mentioned.

In general, with EE women, I believe the experts will confirm, they like to refuse you, they get off on it, and the more times you ask them undeterred, you increase your chances. If you ask them 10 times, they feel very complimented, and may just say yes. So I think that factor that applies to EE women in general, also plays a role when trying to woo a young stripper to come out with you for a sexy date.

LJ

[QUOTE=Hectorgonz;1328568]I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.[/QUOTE]In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are. .

I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.

"A good Tartar restaurant'

5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.

1.

"

If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."

This was one review from many on [url]www.tripadvisor.com[/url] On Kiev restaurants.

I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.

If you go down the escalators by the side of this restaurant you will find many international food stalls in the underpass with seating areas. Turkish, Chinese, Noodle Bars, Etc. Some are good and very resonable.

If you have a date and want good fresh seafood in a nice restaurant, head to Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro River. About 70 uah return by taxi. .

Georgian and Greek Restaurants near the centre are good as well.

[QUOTE=Hectorgonz;1328568]I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.[/QUOTE]In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are.

I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.

"A good Tartar restaurant'

5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.

1. If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."

This was one review from many on [url]www.tripadvisor.com[/url] On Kiev restaurants.

I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.

If you go down the escalators by the side of this restaurant you will find many international food stalls in the underpass with seating areas. Turkish, Chinese, Noodle Bars, Etc. Some are good and very resonable.

If you have a date and want good fresh seafood in a nice restaurant, head to Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro River. About 70 uah return by taxi. .

Georgian and Greek Restaurants near the centre are good as well.

Here is Krym Restaurant review and directions on Lonely Planet Kiev.

[url]http://www.lonelyplanet.com/ukraine/kyiv/restaurants/central-asian/krym.[/url]

Use Lonely Planet and [url]wwww.tripadvisor.com[/url] Online to look up restaurants. They take care reviewing restaurants and clubs.

[QUOTE=Hectorgonz;1328568]I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.[/QUOTE]More choices on here with directions.

[url]http://www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine/kyiv/restaurants-cafes.[/url]

Fee free to post on your foodie experinces there after you taste the goodies.

It would be very useful.

[QUOTE=Hectorgonz;1328568]I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.[/QUOTE]Just fished out this one an Uzbek Restaurnat. Good deal lunch time and at night a Belly Dancer. Sounds good to take a date there as well.

If not for you, then very useful for (Dear Prosal) , albiet no Frogs Legs on the menu. .

Pro, the things I go out of my way to do for you. You Old French Git, ha, ha.

"Karavan.

Walking through the door, we felt as if we were suddenly transported to central Asia. Everyone is wearing Uzbek traditional costumes and if you wish, you can buy one for yourself or purchase one of the handmade dishes or other gifts. The cuisine is Uzbek and some Moroccan and the restaurant holds a Halal Certificate. Much of the food & ingredients are imported and there is an open grill which gives that special aroma that carries throughout the restaurant. Everyone was supper friendly and spoke English as did the menu. An average meal costs around 350Hr. There is a business lunch weekdays from 12:00-16:00 for just 85Hr. On Friday & Saturday there is the 'chef's special' – something the chef offers that's not on the menu for 180Hr. There are TV monitors set up for football and there is a belly dancer from 20:00 daily except Monday & Tuesday.

Credit Cards Wi-fi Live Music Smoking place Non-smoking Air-conditioning Breakfast.

Open:

Open 12:00-00:00, Fri, Sat 08:00-02:00.

Address:

Klovskiy Uzviz 10.

Phone:

(+380) 67 502 65 26.

[url]www:[/url]

[url]http://www.2k.ua[/url]

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1328394]If the girl you refer to is, Was Blonde? Then I agree with you she was as close to a 10 as it gets.

Got Pasha the manager to ask her to come over to my table and she did, but she only spoke Russian so she said. I had to pass.

She was one of the most beautiful girls that I saw in Kiev.

She was very tall which suits me fine. .

Was working there in Nov. 09, but I didn't see her again.

Wonder if she is still working there?[/QUOTE]Hi Jojosun,

Going back to November of 2009, is quite a large bit of time in a strip club with a high rate of dancer turn over like Rio. If it's a blonde girl who was extremely pretty and awesome body that you are rembering, there are two names that come to mind. Both were my pleasure to meet at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011. The first was named Taya. She wAs tall, blonde and awesome looking, like a cover girl model type. She spoke some English though. The second girl I thought of from those times was named Rosa, who had dirty blonde colored hair, a very good body and sexy way of dancing, and a particularly beautiful, finely featured face. She too spoke some English though. Both these girls no longer work at Rio for quite some time. Since they spoke a little English, I'm not sure if either of these were your fantasy girl of November 2009. I hadn't started going to Rio at that time yet, and was still happy with the offerings of River Palace and top-modals. Com at the time. And when I started going to Rio at the end of 2010, I too only took interest in girls who spoke English.

However, since then I have used Google Translate successfully, to date girls who don't speak English, as long as they are happy to communicate with me by writing back and forth to supplement my very few words of Russian. If the girl is patient and good natured it works out fine. This can help with any girl who shows up at your door from one of the low cost websites also. Simply sit her down together with you in front of your laptop, and try to get a conversation going. It breaks the ice, and can help get things going until you reach the point where you ask her in writing if she would like to go take a shower. I also bring the laptop to the bedroom and have it on my nightstand just in case the need arises to say or ask something while we are in bed together. Don't let language barrier prevent you from having sex with a pretty, but non English speaking girl.

LJ