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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;2198072]Good Day All.

I am an old school ISG'er coming out of retirement. Making my first trip to FKK land in July. Just wanted to know if any of the FKK clubs have racist policies wrt entrance. I am Indian National and have wandered many holes in SE Asia and Dubai.

Any advice would be welcome. I don't want to return home with pics of cathedrals.

Thanks All.[/QUOTE]I have been to clubs all over Germany, and the only place where I have experienced anything of the sort was at Golden Time, which has a longstanding "rep" for this kind of thing. Now, I arrived alone and was admitted no problems. But, some of the girls clearly had racist attitudes. Sure, this could happen anyplace where people go, but the fact of the matter is that it only happened to me at Golden Time, and no place else. Now clearly, not every girl in there was like that when I was there, but it only takes a few to spoil the mood. I have never returned. And that's too bad too because one of my favorites of all time who I discovered at Artemis, I found out she used to work at Golden Time. Oh well, I found her anyway!

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What should that be? Opening up the system? For who? What effect would that have? What lack of diversity are you talking about? Nationality? Romania / Bulgaria are the poorest countries in the EU. As long as that is the case they will be the major source for girls in the EU.[/QUOTE]There is sufficient diversity, at least as much as can be supported by current mix of clientele. Speaking ethnically here.

Nationality is not even a factor when it comes to diversity. In my view.

If it is not Romania and Bulgaria, it will be someone else that is poor. There will always be poorer nations relative to the richer nations. And poor girls within even the rich nations. Just need the political and legal environment to be supportive. Which it is in DE, for now.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2198096]I have been to clubs all over Germany, and the only place where I have experienced anything of the sort was at Golden Time, which has a longstanding "rep" for this kind of thing. Now, I arrived alone and was admitted no problems. But, some of the girls clearly had racist attitudes. Sure, this could happen anyplace where people go, but the fact of the matter is that it only happened to me at Golden Time, and no place else. Now clearly, not every girl in there was like that when I was there, but it only takes a few to spoil the mood. I have never returned. And that's too bad too because one of my favorites of all time who I discovered at Artemis, I found out she used to work at Golden Time. Oh well, I found her anyway![/QUOTE]I did not face racism at GT but I heard about it.

What I do face at GT is that there are some girls who almost only go with regulars or you going to have to talk them in that you are not 50 euro 30 min kinda client. This happen with very few girls at GT but very few.

I partly understand that 50 euro 30 min can lose big clients for girls, but it is quite annoying thing to negotiate and also at GT top girls are really booked for most of the day and one have to catch them at right timing or else.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2197733]Porn is an addiction. If you were a hardcore addict and were able to stop cold and kick your habit, you are a better man than I.

A few years ago, I received a job offer that paid nearly 40% higher comp. W / better tax too. Happened to be in a country that is a bit totalitarian and where porn watching is illegal, and even if caught using vPN etc penalty could be severe and not merely monetary. Passed on the offer. Not just due to porn paucity but can't deny that porn played a factor.[/QUOTE]It is funny how in some nations, porn is restricted and cannot watch it online as government block porn, but oddly some of those nations has biggest prostitution industries in the world LOL.

Indeed, there are bigger concerns than ethnicity. Something I feel is no big issue at all. Only a few clubs it can pose a problem. But that is not due to optics, but to do with cartels and upsell strategies. But I will just avoid those clubs. Still unsure about when to retry Oase from the current suspension I gave the club.

But entry fees is a problem as it chips away from the total pool of money floating around. The pie is static, and the more money floating towards the girls and not the clubs, the more girls, the more punters will come.

Indeed, there are bigger concerns than ethnicity. Something I feel is no big issue at all. Only a few clubs it can pose a problem. But that is not due to optics, but to do with cartels and upsell strategies. But I will just avoid those clubs. Still unsure about when to retry Oase from the current suspension I gave the club.

But entry fees is a problem as it chips away from the total pool of money floating around. The pie is static, and the more money floating towards the girls and not the clubs, the more girls, the more punters will come.

But a certain amount on entry is fair given the desire to have the amenities available at the clubs. Many of us are in this for the FKK experience. And wouldn't dream about travelling for a brothel only.

Golden Time is not the only club which has its door policy, Luder Lounge has the same door policy as Golden Time's. LR has its door policy, but not strictly enforced.

Al-salaam Pistons, I think so highly of you, you are almost like half an Arab to me!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2198300]But entry fees is a problem as it chips away from the total pool of money floating around. The pie is static, and the more money floating towards the girls and not the clubs, the more girls, the more punters will come.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Exactly. The girls are an asset to the clubs, not a cost. If there are no girls, there is no business and the clubs earn nothing.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2198300]But a certain amount on entry is fair given the desire to have the amenities available at the clubs.[/QUOTE]A day pass to a non-sexual sauna is less than 20 E in Europe. So this is the max the girls should pay. I would stick with 10 E because the girls don't use the sauna facilities so much. Sure, the FKK does more in terms of managing the girls, but this is a service to the polar bears so it is fair that we should pay it with our entry fees.

A while back guys here were saying that German girls and other Western Europeans didn't find it worthwhile to come to FKKs because of inflation. They were saying that the half-hour rate should be raised from 50 to 60 E. Well, I don't know if that's true, but if entry fees for girls were abolished or reduced to the minimum, then this would cover that. And any girl could show up and see if she could be a star. A new girl gets a lot of attention. It would all be very encouraging.

To take it even further -- and this is where some members will really be foaming at the mouth -- a case can be made that girls shouldn't be paying the clubs, it should be the other way round. The FKKs should pay a fee to a girl on any day she chooses to show up, on the basis that she adds lustre to the club in the same way that a porn star or band will be paid to appear. Again, this does not imply an employer-employee relationship -- especially if we get rid of the five / six days a week requirement, and a girl can just show up on what days she chooses.

I wouldn't be surprised if some clubs have already figured out all this, but they are too exclusive to advertise to the likes of us.

Well I was thinking maximum entry fees for the guys. Girls should only pay for the food 10 e. If even that. Due to reasons you mention.

One or two well known clubs have realised this to some extent. Oceans as an example in the beginning for one. And perhaps they still have some incentives as it is perhaps the club who gets the most new girls trying out the club.

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A day pass to a non-sexual sauna is less than 20 E in Europe. [/QUOTE]Polyamorist thanks for bringing this up. On my longer trips I have booked I am looking to take some days off even a day trip and specifically maybe have a few days where I can ' spa by day and Gypsy by night' since I could enjoy spa facilities and eat well than enjoy red couches at night or if in another area maybe find a Club there.

Do you or anyone else have any suggestions or links for any day spas, maybe with sauna / steam / massage / indoor warm pools maybe even hot springs.

Here is the link to a place I always go after skiing or rafting in Colorado on the way back to Denver. This is just one of many in the state. They have underground caves with natural hot springs water at 107,110 and 115 degrees. Normal standard hot tub temps are in the 100-103 range in comparison. Denver is 6,000 feet elevation and the hot springs as you head west on I-70 or north up to Winter Park or Steamboat only get higher and rapidly. I am guessing if Germany has anything like this it might be in the Alps.

[URL]http://www.indianhotsprings.com/[/URL]

One other off the wall question, are there any German Air B & B type sites, not finding what I want on ours; than again I don't know the surrounding areas well either but want to be no more than 3-4 stops from the Frankfurt Train Station

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2197733]Porn is an addiction. If you were a hardcore addict and were able to stop cold and kick your habit, you are a better man than I.

A few years ago, I received a job offer that paid nearly 40% higher comp. W / better tax too. Happened to be in a country that is a bit totalitarian and where porn watching is illegal, and even if caught using vPN etc penalty could be severe and not merely monetary. Passed on the offer. Not just due to porn paucity but can't deny that porn played a factor.[/QUOTE]It's an addiction on par with everything else out there. It's sinister in a way since you need decent amount of self awareness to notice all of it's effects.

Wouldn't that job be a perfect opportunity to actually kick the habit? I would've taken that job but maybe, just maybe I don't understand the level of your addiction.

I want to mention something that I think it's interesting. Last time when I came back from FKK trip, I sat back at my porn station and thought to myself how the fuck can I be addicted to this type of thing. I thought of all the american men who are addicted to this crap and completely unaware that they can get a real thing just a flight away. And guess what. Since I don't have full time girlfriend these days, I relapsed in about a week.

Anyway, I want to mention few things about this forum. I started reading it occasionally recently and I am quite impressed by number of you. Number of you are spectacular writers and number of you have some serious depth to your thoughts. Carry on.

[URL]https://www.taunus-therme.de/en/[/URL]

Is a popular place but is a train trip out of Frankfurt.

As for Airbnb type. Local tourist info sites have lists of "fewo" - ferienwohnung. Which in practice mean short term let's exempt from the laws for rented accommodation. The problem is that it is a lot of effort contacting each property individually and often it needs German language skills. In the past I have had some success.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2198526][URL]https://www.taunus-therme.de/en/[/URL]

Is a popular place but is a train trip out of Frankfurt.

As for Airbnb type. Local tourist info sites have lists of "fewo" - ferienwohnung. Which in practice mean short term let's exempt from the laws for rented accommodation. The problem is that it is a lot of effort contacting each property individually and often it needs German language skills. In the past I have had some success.[/QUOTE]So have I. Make sure you have a translate plugin for your browser, find the municipal website for a town near Frankfurt, and look for a list of fewo. Use Google Translate for enquiries. It's high season now, so maybe that's why Airbnb isn't working for you Sayyid Kowboy. But holiday apartments seem to be a booming business in Germany.

Suggested touristic motto for Hessen: "We don't suck like we used to, even if you wish we did".

[QUOTE=SaratogaX;2198480]It's an addiction on par with everything else out there. It's sinister in a way since you need decent amount of self awareness to notice all of it's effects.

Wouldn't that job be a perfect opportunity to actually kick the habit? I would've taken that job but maybe, just maybe I don't understand the level of your addiction.

I want to mention something that I think it's interesting. Last time when I came back from FKK trip, I sat back at my porn station and thought to myself how the fuck can I be addicted to this type of thing. I thought of all the american men who are addicted to this crap and completely unaware that they can get a real thing just a flight away. And guess what. Since I don't have full time girlfriend these days, I relapsed in about a week.

Anyway, I want to mention few things about this forum. I started reading it occasionally recently and I am quite impressed by number of you. Number of you are spectacular writers and number of you have some serious depth to your thoughts. Carry on.[/QUOTE]Addiction is a disease, on par with many other diseases. Yet, even in the US, addiction is just now getting the proper attention it warrants. Addiction involves the brain and body, and can be quite destructive and often there is huge societal pressure to hide it, deny it, and not seek help. Obviously, there is a lot of adverse and negative judgement from others. Just in the last decade or two, there is increasing awareness of deleterious impact of addiction from substance abuse. Yet, even medical professionals often look down on addicts and believe will power ought to be enough to kick the habit, eventhough studies are showing will power is alone not enough. This is in the US -- I think general societies are far more judgmental outside the US.

The above are for active substance uses -- alcohol, drugs, pain killers etc. Will porn addiction be recognized as a disease on par with substance abuse and treated as such? Perhaps in the future -- McA's links show younger men growing up in the age of streaming porn are at bigger risk of this addiction than their older cohorts. But as of now, pron addicts have no such help, except the advice "kick your habit". That used to be the same advice when it came to tobacco, drugs, alcohol, etc but now it is recognized that will power is not sufficient and clinical help is needed.

For the most part, porn addicts are treated as borderline perverts by the broader society. If you are sitting at a corporate dinner meeting with a bunch of fellow suits, you might get away if you admit to alcohol or tobacco addiction, perhaps even get some sympathy. Tell them you have a porn addiction and see how much sympathy you will get! You are lucky to keep your job, I would imagine. At least the society is slightly less uptight when it comes to porn now. 30 years ago, I don't think many people admitted to watching porn ever, but mere watching is not considered taboo now but addiction is still looked down upon.

Lets face it - it is easy to act macho and put down others about their addiction. If you are addicted to your tobacco you might think that is hard to quit cold turkey but still be judgmental about a porn addict. And a teetotaler porn addict would recognize it is hard to quit watching porn in toto but think that the alcohol addict is a weak minded person. We are all hard wired to have high opinion of self and look down on the weaknesses and negatives of others.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2198453]Polyamorist thanks for bringing this up. On my longer trips I have booked I am looking to take some days off even a day trip and specifically maybe have a few days where I can ' spa by day and Gypsy by night' since I could enjoy spa facilities and eat well than enjoy red couches at night or if in another area maybe find a Club there.

Do you or anyone else have any suggestions or links for any day spas, maybe with sauna / steam / massage / indoor warm pools maybe even hot springs.

Here is the link to a place I always go after skiing or rafting in Colorado on the way back to Denver. This is just one of many in the state. They have underground caves with natural hot springs water at 107,110 and 115 degrees. Normal standard hot tub temps are in the 100-103 range in comparison. Denver is 6,000 feet elevation and the hot springs as you head west on I-70 or north up to Winter Park or Steamboat only get higher and rapidly. I am guessing if Germany has anything like this it might be in the Alps.[/QUOTE]From Frankfurt, you can take a train to Wiesbaden. There is a spa there. Quite inexpensive. If you want a massage, you will have to reserve days in advance.