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How can you expect a newcomer to make a contribution when they are just beginning? You want a newb to contribute before they can ask a question. But how can they give information if they have no information to give because they are new?[/QUOTE]The conundrum really is how did this site ever get going if no one had any reviews to read first?

There are 11,169 posts in this forum, over 50,000 related to Manila and the surround areas. Have we all been wasting our time if people just ask questions instead of researching for themselves? Why post reviews at all in this case, just make the site one big chat room.

Re the senior members vs newbies.

This occurs with surprising regularity on many different forums, I was active on the Dubai one and it chewed up a lot of bandwidth. I have seen it on other ones when I have been researching a new location. Not only ISG but other mongering and even non-mongering forums.

What the newbies don't realize is that the previous newbies have already asked the exact same questions and the information that they seek has been posted numerous times.

For the newbies, first, read the FAQ on any forum. You will get a lot of your answers there. For example here you need to pay the $20 or make enough posts to be a senior member to get PM ability. Then you don't have to ask in your first post "How can I PM someone".

Then please read the forum back a couple of months or at least 4 or 5 pages of posts (whichever is more posts). You will get a very good idea of the local scene from that. You will most likely get your questions answered in a lot less time than posting it and waiting for a reply. If once you have read back a little in the forum, you still have a question then you can ask an intelligent one i.e. Not where can I get laid, but something along the lines of I am trying to decide on bar A or bar B, which do you recommend for a first-time visitor? I am looking more for "XXX" than "YYY".

Remember in any new endeavor, you usually have to pay your dues somehow; here it is in making good reports about your past places. Even if you have never been to the Philippines, you can always post about other places you have been and by making a contribution there you will be accepted here. I started in the Dubai forum because I was there a lot and when I shifted to the Philippines, my history and contribution to the collective was recognized.

Also realize that the guys with the huge post counts are generally well regarded here and respected for their contributions, by insulting them you are not enduring yourself to anyone else here and are unlikely to get the information you are looking for.

Once you have paid your dues by making a contribution and even by asking intelligent questions, never answered before here, you will find that acceptance is surprisingly fast and total.

And for the senior members, why even reply to dumb newbie posts? Just ignore them and hope that they will get the hint instead of wasting bandwidth on replying to them except for perhaps "RTFF".

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And for the senior members, why even reply to dumb newbie posts? Just ignore them and hope that they will get the hint instead of wasting bandwidth on replying to them except for perhaps "RTFF".[/QUOTE]This will be my final post on the subject. I reply (not always sarcastically) because some newbs genuinely don't understand the process and need that education (to RTFF, then contribute after). Some do and are happy to take, take, take with no wish to contribute back.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2080178]You are stumbling on a conundrum. How can you expect a newcomer to make a contribution when they are just beginning? You want a newb to contribute before they can ask a question. But how can they give information if they have no information to give because they are new?
[/QUOTE]This is a good observation, a fair question, but also misses something. I addressed this conundrum a few years ago, and I stated newbs should certainly ask questions. But there are good questions and bad ones. "Where is the best place to find the girl?" is a poor question.

If you handed a new employee an orientation manual, told them to read it, and he came back and simply said "I don't understand it" or asked a question that's clearly covered in the handbook this would cause concern if not frustration. The way around this is for a newb to indicate that he has RTFF, [i]analysed what was presented[/i], and needs clarification.

"Hi, I read WC's comment (link/quote) and Pomp's reply that contradicts it (link/quote). Hut added this (link/quote). I'm wondering, yada yada yada."

This example is not the only way, but it at least demonstrates the person put in the effort. I'm happy to reward effort.

Lastly, our newbs come in a variety of flavours. There's a first comment guy who joined 15 minutes ago. OK, he's excited and eager, and I think most of us treat that type of person gently. Then there are the guys with 20 or so comments, almost all of them questions, asked over a period of years in several different forums. And they rarely, if ever, give back. This is a demonstrated pattern of selfishness. The derision they receive is well deserved; they earned it.

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Lastly, our newbs come in a variety of flavours. There's a first comment guy who joined 15 minutes ago. OK, he's excited and eager, and I think most of us treat that type of person gently. [/QUOTE]Or there's the guy who just posted his first message over in the Makati thread who literally states he doesn't have time to search for girls because he's too busy and wants the numbers and coordinates of quality girls.

He's awesome.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2080745]Or there's the guy who just posted his first message over in the Makati thread who literally states he doesn't have time to search for girls because he's too busy and wants the numbers and coordinates of quality girls.

He's awesome.[/QUOTE]I've made similar observations. Several posts in other forums where the poster is "too busy" to look for himself.

Then there is the newbies who ask vague questions. So you ask for some clarification so perhaps you can help them, but you never hear from them again. Why do they ask in the first place?

Or the newbies who ask a question for which the answer is already the most recent prior post in the thread.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother.

Just want to thank all the members for the amazing contributions made to this forum over the years. I have had two visits to the Phils (mostly metro manila) in the past few years and my experience was made simply because I took the time to do some research in this forum before getting on a plane. I appreciate that there are differing points of view and differing levels of frustration with Newbs who ask and don't give and in that vein I have only lurked for some time here. All of my questions were answered in general by reading and using the search tools to find information on massage places, freelancers, pros, the whole shebang (pun intended). I never felt a need to register (still haven't paid but I will figure out how to get that by without alerting the SO) to ask for specifics by PM because the Phils are a target rich environment. If I can get my needs taken care of (I am overweight, grey and not terribly attractive) anyone can do it with a little effort and build on the information here with minimal research.

My contribution: WeChat is king (perhaps social media generally) I tried several of the dating sites. Pinalove, DIA E. G. - and its way too hard to wade through the fakes. The most efficient approach for me was simply to look around on WeChat (I don't know if Line has similar search abilities) and find a willing lass. I never did any FakeGPS pre-trip work, just start looking around when I got to the hotel. Typically I would connect with a massage provider advertising a massage in my hotel room. 2 hours, 800 PHP was pretty standard. They come and give massage, you may need to negotiate a bit to make sure he is included but typically it was and both the massage and ending were excellent for me in all cases. Most ladies were tagalog speakers with basic English skill but they could take direction and speed up or slow down on request. Then, sometimes they are upfront with upselling more services at typical Phils prices (but without a barfine), or, depending on the chemistry, you can move towards mutual massage, or simply get them to sit on your lap for a little hugging afterwards and see where that goes. On more than one occasion things did go in fact and that is how I became aware that BB is somewhat standard expectation in the Phils. If you want to go covered you need to ask or at least take the initiative because the lady won't interrupt the seduction on her own. In addition to the massage offers you will receive hits on WeChat (even with a plain vanilla profile) from ladies wanting to be friends. A little coffee for meet and greet and things can progress from there. I am always up front in weeding out the LBs by asking if they are a "woman from birth". Some express surprise at the question but I think they are faking the surprise since the LB culture is so open. Learned to do this after buying a nice dinner for a beautiful woman and figuring out that she was a he before dessert. I'm guessing the other patrons in the bar were all snickering behind my back and well aware of what was going on as I got one more newbie lesson checked off. My return visit to the Phils was also greatly enhanced by putting contacts made on the first visit to work in connecting me with their friends. Just ask, any girl in the game will try to keep you happy by sharing you with her friends.

My best experience of all was a girl I met through wechat just looking to meet up, a bit of chatting and we met for dinner and she came back to the room and literally kept me up all night, hadn't had sex. Like. That. Ever. Before. Didn't even bother trying to meet with any others after that one, filled my last three nights there and blew my mind. All the best things I have read here about pinay were confirmed. She became my GF basically and told me I'd get tampo'd if I saw anyone else. The sex was so amazing that it totally wasn't a problem. The problem is, I can't stop thinking about her.

Again thanks to all who have educated me. I won't return to the Phils until next summer and so not likely to have more to contribute until then.

[QUOTE=Zoltan123;2081266]My best experience of all was a girl I met through wechat just looking to meet up, a bit of chatting and we met for dinner and she came back to the room and literally kept me up all night, hadn't had sex. Like. That. Ever. Before. Didn't even bother trying to meet with any others after that one, filled my last three nights there and blew my mind. All the best things I have read here about pinay were confirmed. She became my GF basically and told me I'd get tampo'd if I saw anyone else. The sex was so amazing that it totally wasn't a problem. The problem is, I can't stop thinking about her.
[/QUOTE]Yessssssssss!

Zoltan, great first effort. Newbs take note.

[QUOTE=Zoltan123;2081266]Just want to thank all the members for the amazing contributions made to this forum over the years. I have had two visits to the Phils (mostly metro manila) in the past few years and my experience was made simply because I took the time to do some research in this forum before getting on a plane. [/QUOTE]Enjoyable read, great report.

[QUOTE=Zoltan123;2081266] I never did any FakeGPS pre-trip work, .[/QUOTE]Anyone can guide me how to get Fake GPS and wechat to work?

Thanks.

Well I'm here on my (now) annual trip to the Philippines and I have to say I've got mixed feelings on this trip.

I stay in Makati, for me Ermita is just too dirty and LA cafe isn't for me. I've yet to see anyone over a 6 there, mainly old, ugly, desperate and way too many miles on the clock. Love the fact there's now a smoking ban in the Philippines. But annoyed by the fact on my quick visit to LA Cafe to see if things have changed (they haven't) the smoking ban isn't being adhered to there. So I'd advise anyone in there 20's /30's to give it a miss completely.

Haven't been to EDSA on this trip but from what I hear it's over priced. Problem is, everywhere seems to be now! The inflation of prices is absurd. Filipinos typically make 500 p a day and guys are throwing away money giving 4000 or more, to the point the value of money is now lost here. I'm sorry but I stare at 1500 and won't pay more than 3000, which means the bar fines are out of my reach. Browsing through P Burgos, I haven't really found any that are even worth the 3000! I've seen a couple of cute girls here and there, and they were almost always with a Korean, so I guess I must arrive too late.

My tactic is to swap numbers and meet afterwards, the only one which I would have paid 3 k for I did this with, and ended up sleeping with her without money being exchanged. I also got a free lay from a girl on we chat who was offended at any offer of money and only wanted to have sex with a foreign guy as she was horny and had never been with one. The rest were through WeChat and I haven't paid more than 1500.

I think what's really annoyed me about this trip is the value of a foreigner seems to be decreasing at an even faster rate. I'm young and good looking, and that's helped me keep the prices low and get the free lays somewhat. But even from a year ago things have changed. Philippines is becoming more like Thailand, stupid guys paying over the odds for terrible service. I won't be a party to that.

Fact is this, you either need to come here with a lot of money to blow if you want the highest quality of women, or you need to spend a significant amount of time living here to find a stunner to be your woman. Frustratingly as well, having youth on my side with good looks makes normal Filipino girls become even more shy than they usually are, blushing, can't hold my gaze, calling me 'guapo' without the exchange of numbers. I really wouldn't mind living out here to perfect my game and pick up some stunners, but when you're here for 3 weeks or so, you're stuck with these outrageous 3900 bar fines and a 3 k tip! Everyone needs to start low balling and flat out refusing to pay these prices. You're only going to drive them up to be in line with western prices, in which case you may as well stay at home.

You can get some seriously good looking Filipino girls. But on average they are far from attractive. It's not like Brazil for example where 1 in 3 are jaw dropping.

Unfortunately I feel as though this train can no longer be stopped, so unless I have some serious cash, or serious time to invest in the Philippines I won't be back for a while.

Don't even get me started on Angeles. WTF happened.

[QUOTE=Zoltan123;2081266] Didn't even bother trying to meet with any others after that one, filled my last three nights there and blew my mind. All the best things I have read here about pinay were confirmed. She became my GF basically and told me I'd get tampo'd if I saw anyone else. The sex was so amazing that it totally wasn't a problem. The problem is, I can't stop thinking about her.
.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what the pinay is famous for. It doesn't happen with every girl you meet. In your case you met a few girls over a few days, worked your way through the duds and dudes. And then struck pinay gold.

That's a valuable lesson in itself. It takes a little research and a few mishits to get to the good ones.

For the ladyboy question, a real girl answer is always something like "lols No" where as a LB will answer, "Why?" "Why do you judge people?

If it helps ease your pain, your temporary GF has probably moved on.

BD.

I read it on this forum. Close your eyes and just listen to the voice. Is the voice female or male?

[QUOTE=LiveLaughFuck;2081560]Well I'm here on my (now) annual trip to the Philippines and I have to say I've got mixed feelings on this trip.

I stay in Makati, for me Ermita is just too dirty and LA cafe isn't for me. I've yet to see anyone over a 6 there, mainly old, ugly, desperate and way too many miles on the clock. Love the fact there's now a smoking ban in the Philippines. But annoyed by the fact on my quick visit to LA Cafe to see if things have changed (they haven't) the smoking ban isn't being adhered to there. So I'd advise anyone in there 20's /30's to give it a miss completely.

Haven't been to EDSA on this trip but from what I hear it's over priced. Problem is, everywhere seems to be now! The inflation of prices is absurd. Filipinos typically make 500 p a day and guys are throwing away money giving 4000 or more, to the point the value of money is now lost here. I'm sorry but I stare at 1500 and won't pay more than 3000, which means the bar fines are out of my reach. Browsing through P Burgos, I haven't really found any that are even worth the 3000! I've seen a couple of cute girls here and there, and they were almost always with a Korean, so I guess I must arrive too late..[/QUOTE]Great report and observations from a young monger's point of view. The toothless hags in LA Caf are not worth 500 pesos. They maybe desperate but they hold out for 2,000 to 3,000 pesos and many fellas give it to them. Each day more newbies show up willing to pay higher prices to shoot their load. So, expect the trend of lower quality for higher prices to continue. Foreigners are decreasing in value because the president of the Philippines has been telling his people that most Western visitors are trash.

Now, things have changed. Even stunningly handsome young fellas with long thick cocks now have to pay higher rates for stunners. The runaway train cannot stop. As for what happened to AC, Koreans with huge amounts of cash are taking over the bar business is what happened.

[QUOTE=Udinvegs;2081546]Anyone can guide me how to get Fake GPS and wechat to work?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Firstly learn Chinese so you can read the Chinese documentation on BaiduLocation SDK. Then learn the Java programming language and study GPS hardware and the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) and you will be spoofing the WeChat GPS location in no time.

Then you can become a multi-millionaire by selling the app for $1 all over the world including China (and you won't need to use weChat anymore).

You're welcome!

Ikks,

P.S. Unfortunately WeChat prevents you from reverting to an earlier version (5. X. X) to use Fake GPS like we used to be able to do.