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[QUOTE=AznNick;2055206]Yesterday 1st July Atmos in Hamburg, for me, nothing changed. Its all same same from a customer perspective. Like some said, I think it's mostly about the registration of workers and protecting them.
Any status from other clubs about the new law?[/QUOTE]In FKK World there is an announcement at the reception: 'KONDOMPFLICHT'.
[QUOTE=DrPoon;2055359]I found an 18 year old Lithuanian lady advertising on 6 relax who agreed to the BBBJ over the phone at least.[/QUOTE]BBBJ over the phone? Must be strange experience.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2055394]Why do you say this? Many Russian or Ukrainian escorts touring in Paris, Milano, Torino, Brussels, with tourist visa. Also some real Russian or Latvian girls working in FKK with touristic visa and without family in Germany. 1 was superstar and the most honest girl at Oase. I wish we will have real Russians or Latvians or even Ukrainians in Germany, even I love my Romanians, and now also 1 Hungarian since Jana at Sharks, and a few Germans, too many girls to love in NRW, before returning to Globe, as I promised, but never enough beauties for my eyes and brain pleasure. I love slavian type beauties, round face and white skin.[/QUOTE]Also some African girls or south Americans like Selena at World, in FKK, not born in Germany, so why not Russians or Ukrainians? Before there were many Russians in clubs.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2055394]Why do you say this? Many Russian or Ukrainian escorts touring in Paris, Milano, Torino, Brussels, with tourist visa. Also some real Russian or Latvian girls working in FKK with touristic visa and without family in Germany. 1 was superstar and the most honest girl at Oase. I wish we will have real Russians or Latvians or even Ukrainians in Germany, even I love my Romanians, and now also 1 Hungarian since Jana at Sharks, and a few Germans, too many girls to love in NRW, before returning to Globe, as I promised, but never enough beauties for my eyes and brain pleasure. I love slavian type beauties, round face and white skin.[/QUOTE]Well latvians and hungarians are eu citizens. Nevertheless I guess you know, but your wording made it confusing. I believe HB is living in an bubble somewhere with too much faith in regulations full of loopholes. Times have changed since the russia/ukraine war, and more and more russians and ukrainians are entering the ranks... perhaps not in german fkk's, but they are easily found elsewhere. And most people only want a quickie, so to a large extent it is one overlapping market... most of them know about german fkk's very well, but they claim the 50e price is a bit too low. At least the very hot ones do... but that is what brings most of us to german fkk's also. The lower price, and the facilities. I think german fkk's probably have to lower their entry price going forward so girls can raise their prices by 10-20e... that could bring in more top girls. Many top romanians also avoid fkk's these days. I guess they haven't really considered the possibility of being a top fish in a pond... so the ones in German fkk's these days should actually be glad the competition is as low as it is.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2055394]Why do you say this? Many Russian or Ukrainian escorts touring in Paris, Milano, Torino, Brussels, with tourist visa. Also some real Russian or Latvian girls working in FKK with touristic visa and without family in Germany. 1 was superstar and the most honest girl at Oase. I wish we will have real Russians or Latvians or even Ukrainians in Germany, even I love my Romanians, and now also 1 Hungarian since Jana at Sharks, and a few Germans, too many girls to love in NRW, before returning to Globe, as I promised, but never enough beauties for my eyes and brain pleasure. I love slavian type beauties, round face and white skin.[/QUOTE]From now on, if you are new in the P6 scene you need to be register, is it possible to do it with a tourist visa, really I am not sure at all.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;2055437]BBBJ over the phone? Must be strange experience.[/QUOTE]Speakers of German will appreciate the twist on an old chestnut: keine Nummer unter diesem Anschluss.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2055495]I believe HB is living in an bubble [/QUOTE]How many Ukrainians have you met in German FKK clubs lately?
HB.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2055495]Well latvians and hungarians are eu citizens. Nevertheless I guess you know, but your wording made it confusing. I believe HB is living in an bubble somewhere with too much faith in regulations full of loopholes. Times have changed since the russia/ukraine war, and more and more russians and ukrainians are entering the ranks... perhaps not in german fkk's, but they are easily found elsewhere. And most people only want a quickie, so to a large extent it is one overlapping market... most of them know about german fkk's very well, but they claim the 50e price is a bit too low. At least the very hot ones do... but that is what brings most of us to german fkk's also. The lower price, and the facilities. I think german fkk's probably have to lower their entry price going forward so girls can raise their prices by 10-20e... that could bring in more top girls. Many top romanians also avoid fkk's these days. I guess they havent really considerred the possibility of being a top fish in a pond... so the ones in german fkk's these days should actually be glad the competition is as low as it is...[/QUOTE]Many Russians or Ukrainians are prostitutes all over EU, using touristic visa. Also many Africans or Brazilians. At least in France, Belgium and Italy.
I met some real Russians in FKK, living in Russia, even many are not, like Anya Oase or Luana GT.
Top girls in FKK can make nearly 20000 per month, for superstars 30000 at Globe, pretty same than escorts of Agency who work for 250/ h, but share 50% with Agency, so only 125 for the girl. At GT or LR, entry is 50 for girls, not 100 with tax which disappear.
I think main problem for girls to work in FKK is less and less good clients, and new law could increase this. There will always be good girls who get good business like Sandra or Mandy at Sharks, but average girls will have to leave because they won t get enough business. Even at Sharks, best girls left and many GND arrived. I don t think girls want to lose their CIM business which save their vagina, many guys just want to be sucked and finish in mouth, and at Oase, some girls are specialists for 15 mn, 100 € CIM rooms without fucking.
Good point is easier and easier for me, girls seem happy to have 1 hour room for 100 with me, and no upselling, so I can have a good day for 250/260 , eating all day, drinking all day, watching Formula 1 or moto GP or tennis or tour de France or Bundesliga and having 2 enjoyable rooms when I m ready.
No worry for me, my only problem is how to manage 12 girls to meet in NRW and 4 in Switzerland, with maybe also Ina at Wellcum on August. Too many girls for me. I would prefer to find the perfect classy, elegant, GFE natural beauty and meet only her, I thought I found her, but she is not anymore for me and I really regret because she was my best ever in clubs for woman sensuality.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;2055510]How many Ukrainians have you met in German FKK clubs lately?
HB.[/QUOTE]What is the difference between Ukrainians and Russians or Africans or South Americans to work in FKK? Many Africans in clubs, a few Russians, some at GT, not Jane who is German born even she speaks Russian at home.
[QUOTE=EnderW;2055303]You are so right Siri. Words to live by in the FKK world. And we'd better learn from mistakes of fellow punters so we won't become a next victim. I always appreciate your insights..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, we think we are better than others and don't care enough about what can happen to others, so we better learn from our own experience.
This is money business, so pay for sex you enjoy, if you want A level, pay 50 in NRW or 100 in Hessen or 200 in Switzerland, but pay only for sex, we don't have to pay for love, a girl in love doesn't make you pay, a girl who ask you money doesn't love you, she just fuck your mind. My advice. Brothels and prostitutes are not the best for love. There are many girls waiting for big love in real life.
ACA has Kondompflicht signs at front desk, inside each locker, and various other places. Told my regular to fetch a key, but she said "wait I have to tell you something". Then she explains the new law that forbids BBBJ. I thought she was joking at first. I tried to reassure her that nobody would know, but was unsuccessful. She smiled and apologized profusely, but she just kind of gave me the look "I need to follow orders".
A second WG that was new to me. We spoke at least 7 times, each time short 2-3 minute conversations. Final conversation, I decided to confirm that she will do BBBJ. She says "No only with". Spent about a minute or so convincing her, but again was unsuccessful.
So zero sessions. Zero upsell attempts. Men seemed to be still going to the rooms, so maybe I was just picking the wrong WGs, or BBBJ isn't that important for them. Not a huge sample size so maybe not conclusive findings, but I don't have any plans to return any time soon. My plan is to speak to other mongers I know in the coming months and hopefully get updates on the situation. I doubt it will come from the forums since ACA isn't that well reported in English, Dutch, German, or French.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2055559]. I thought she was joking at first. I tried to reassure her that nobody would know, but was unsuccessful. She smiled and apologized profusely, but she just kind of gave me the look "I need to follow orders".
A second WG that was new to me. We spoke at least 7 times, each time short 2-3 minute conversations. Final conversation, I decided to confirm that she will do BBBJ. She says "No only with". Spent about a minute or so convincing her, but again was unsuccessful.
[/QUOTE]Think that's BS they prolly wanted you to pay extra for BBBJ, LOL.
[QUOTE=Exodus8;2055561]Think that's BS they prolly wanted you to pay extra for BBBJ, LOL.[/QUOTE]They had opportunity to re-engage me. I stayed there for a bit before exiting conversation. And they saw me multiple times later throughout night. They just smiled.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2055566]They had opportunity to re-engage me. I stayed there for a bit before exiting conversation. And they saw me multiple times later throughout night. They just smiled.[/QUOTE]Maybe they knew you wudnt pay extra.
You shouldve tried this "10 e extra ok" LOL.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2055559]ACA has Kondompflicht signs at front desk, inside each locker, and various other places. Told my regular to fetch a key, but she said "wait I have to tell you something". Then she explains the new law that forbids BBBJ. I thought she was joking at first. I tried to reassure her that nobody would know, but was unsuccessful. She smiled and apologized profusely, but she just kind of gave me the look "I need to follow orders".
A second WG that was new to me. We spoke at least 7 times, each time short 2-3 minute conversations. Final conversation, I decided to confirm that she will do BBBJ. She says "No only with". Spent about a minute or so convincing her, but again was unsuccessful.
So zero sessions. Zero upsell attempts. Men seemed to be still going to the rooms, so maybe I was just picking the wrong WGs, or BBBJ isn't that important for them. Not a huge sample size so maybe not conclusive findings, but I don't have any plans to return any time soon. My plan is to speak to other mongers I know in the coming months and hopefully get updates on the situation. I doubt it will come from the forums since ACA isn't that well reported in English, Dutch, German, or French.[/QUOTE]WGs were informed by clubs about new law, at Aca, LR, GT. At Samya, staff made police come to explain law to girls and my new girl of week end seemed scared to be prosecuted about BBBJ. Not sure they were well explained the true law. I had to explain her only clients would be prosecuted, not her. Law consider WGs as victims about sex. She could be prosecuted only if not registering before 1st January. Because she is a little mum and I like her, because she told me what she understood about new law when coming to me again after midnight to ask me if I wanted to return to room with her, I explained her before going to room, I took 5 mn when we arrived in room to explain her again and make sure she understood she will never have to pay 50000 as she understood, then she was more comfortable, ask me for same pleasure than previous night and just wanted to please me back.
Like in real life, speaking with girls to make sure all is understood help for sex. When girls trust you, they want to please you. For my last room with her, my LR girl really wanted I finish, it seemed important for her, but it was not important for me, only bad images in my eyes and brain were important, making the beginning of the end.