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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2201833]Strip clubs are quite legal in the US. Just see the prices and the number and quality off girls. Usually lap dances go for $20 to $30 a song, which means roughly 4 min. There are some clubs with good girls, but they are NOT in hundreds of thousands, and only a small fraction of them are high quality.

For 50 E, you will never get a FKK caliber girl willing to provide equivalent services. KK posted about sugar babies who are willing to sleep for $300 an hour or more and it can still be hit and miss.[/QUOTE]For an American monger it is much higher than 50 E. Airline tickets, hotel accommodations, car rentals, public transportation, food, and other expenses pile up quickly. Prostitution should be legal here in the US. The prices will establish themselves naturally by the free market. Even if it's $300, it is comparable with what we pay now for illegal P6 and risk many aspects of our lives if confronted by the LE.

I support PahllusMaximus ideas and find them clear, natural, and common sense. I enjoy many of his posts expressing dignified philosophical views on sex, marriage, politics, and freedom for all men around the world. In addition to what he says, a good summary of aspects concerning decriminalization and legalisation of prostitution in the US I found in Democratic Socialists of America's statement on the signing into law of FOSTA: [URL]https://www.bostondsa.org/2018/04/30/statement-on-the-signing-into-law-of-fosta/[/URL].

The girls would be no problem. There are The income and opportunity disparities in the USA are vast and becoming worse and more prevalent by the day. This is how Trump got elected, the promise of changing this, but that's whole new discussion. Suffice to say USA will not be a land of honey and lotus leaves anytime soon for 99% of the population. Hah hah, imagine the indignant bearded lesbians and their cats protesting along with the usual rent-a-crowd.

328 million people in the USA. 8. 76% female between 18-30, roughly 29 million prime females. 20% of households earn below $USD 25 K. On top of that, about 2% of females are already doing P4 P. No shortage of college students and liberal arts degrees in sociology and Feminist Perspectives on Cat Partners etc who who find those skills hard to monetize in a (insert buzz words here) society. Do the math. On a low night on the lowest scenario, there would over 2 m ready and available girls sufficiently attractive and willing. It would instantly become corporatized like prisons and healthcare. The only obstacle is the prohibition. With marijuana now effectively legal and a collapsing employment base of real jobs (not the phoney, manipulated statistics on minimal wage few hours a few definition) don't be surprised if this prohibition changes in the next 20 years. In rust bowl, no future states, this prospect offers something and attracts money, just as gambling did, something Nevada did in the 1950's. And it too has a narrow sanction of some laffhauses. USA is hyer sexualized anyway in advertising and the media. This simply monetizes it better and recognizes strip clubs are de facto prostitution and lust by intent and various side-deals regardless of any artificial rules that two biologically primed beings are no allowed to touch. It is like the Catholic prohibition. And we all know how that went down.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2201711]Where would the girls come from? Let's say it was legal. American Girls? Illegal immigrants? The FKK system / P6 industry in Europe is based on income disparities within the EU.[/QUOTE]I imagine South America mostly, I mean American people go across the border by car to monger for weekend in border towns, so if FKK formats are possible in USA, I imagine client will see many south American girls and also there are enough American girls with downside of advantages working in FKK if there are any such format possible in USA.

But considering how religious america as a whole is with bunch of religious organizations etc. Such format is not possible.

Even in Germany, FKK often face feminist protest like in Artemis.

[QUOTE=Milfotronic;2201730]Which FKKs have the biggest amounts of black WGs?

I'm very fond of black women, that why.[/QUOTE]Also GT has always few, but not many, Artemis has always got about around 5 black girls.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2201859]The girls would be no problem. .[/QUOTE]FKK Austinbach will be the most expensive one in the country as we will have to import any girls! Not one tute here would even come close to qualifying even for those who aim low. In fact I do not even think any could be hired at Day Care by the Gypsies as sub-contractors to Vash the towels or scrub the bathrooms.

France won, but somehow several shop destroying and stealing. I saw the security camera footages. I wonder why this happened.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2201859]The girls would be no problem. There are The income and opportunity disparities in the USA are vast and becoming worse and more prevalent by the day. This is how Trump got elected, the promise of changing this, but that's whole new discussion. Suffice to say USA will not be a land of honey and lotus leaves anytime soon for 99% of the population. Hah hah, imagine the indignant bearded lesbians and their cats protesting along with the usual rent-a-crowd.

328 million people in the USA. 8. 76% female between 18-30, roughly 29 million prime females. 20% of households earn below $USD 25 K. On top of that, about 2% of females are already doing P4 P. No shortage of college students and liberal arts degrees in sociology and Feminist Perspectives on Cat Partners etc who who find those skills hard to monetize in a (insert buzz words here) society. Do the math. On a low night on the lowest scenario, there would over 2 m ready and available girls sufficiently attractive and willing. It would instantly become corporatized like prisons and healthcare. The only obstacle is the prohibition. With marijuana now effectively legal and a collapsing employment base of real jobs (not the phoney, manipulated statistics on minimal wage few hours a few definition) don't be surprised if this prohibition changes in the next 20 years. In rust bowl, no future states, this prospect offers something and attracts money, just as gambling did, something Nevada did in the 1950's. And it too has a narrow sanction of some laffhauses. USA is hyer sexualized anyway in advertising and the media. This simply monetizes it better and recognizes strip clubs are de facto prostitution and lust by intent and various side-deals regardless of any artificial rules that two biologically primed beings are no allowed to touch. It is like the Catholic prohibition. And we all know how that went down.[/QUOTE]No paid sex, but land of porn, Weinstein actresses management, and of course hidden paid sex.

Kosher.

Are you saying north Texas has no liberal arts degree young women who find that a Ph. The in "Cat-Feminist Comparative Philosophy", Women's Studies, English Literature (or such) that only qualifies them as greeters at Walmart? The country is awash in degree mills and clueless but attractive and 18-30 women who could monetize themselves and pay their student loans with, er, hands on vocations. Peter Theil has long warned of the education bubble and why student loans are not dischargable in bankruptcy (if it were, 90% of the loans would be worthless, like the "degrees" themselves).

Lets take say Podunk, Nebraska. Or Michigan. Littered with meth and opioids, 60% unemployment. A fly in FKK generates hotels, ground transport, food, local accommodation and leverage demand for goods and services. Unlike casinos skimmed off to undeclared offshore interests, the money is spent locally and by the girls in their hometowns. I can see healthy outdoor fun, literally a roll in the hay in the Fun Barn, Sausage Sizzle (use SPF 50 when nude sunbathing guys) and many other delights. Germany manages it. There are still happy functioning families near FKK's. Surely the USA and its hordes of economically downward mobile young women would welcome the opportunity to make some money, meet guys, and have a real choice over their bodies. Let's not forget the feminist rants about women's bodies. Except for the pricing and commodification of pussy and / or reproduction that is the critical bargaining chip over men.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2201968]Kosher.

Are you saying north Texas has no liberal arts degree young women who find that a Ph. [/QUOTE]I am going more off looks, not debating the feasibility of such clubs in the USA although I will not hold my breath, likewise for recreational in TX (maybe in 5-7 years) TX has some beautiful women but any tute here who is ' worth it' gets out of here for Denver, LA, AZ especially, ATL, Florida etc. Or they are on the ' underground travel circuit' where guys use word of mouth and private memberships to access them. Many are pimped and from Europe and getting $500-$1000 an hour. They can make double if not triple or more than here. Our ' civilians' are hot or can be but they have sugar daddies who give them money not loverboys who they give money too.

I hope your theories are correct, and it would happen here but how to get legalized or regulated prostitution thru the deep red states going to be tough! TX is rich with natural resources, same reason we aren't pressured to legalize weed is a reason we wouldn't need sex clubs to tax. All my opinions of course. I do think if it did happen much of the talent would be coming from 'rural Nebraska' or broke coal mine cities in ' Trump Country' etc. I think I read sometime in 2016 on the Spanish forums that they tried an FKK on the CDS somewhere in a very wealthy part loaded up with ex-pats, tourists etc and for whatever reason it failed. I would argue if they can't make it work in Spain it wouldn't work here.

However, I hope I am entirely wrong and that you open FKK Austinbach and make me a guest of honor, free couch time mandatory for all Travis County taxpayers!

I look at the board for Montreal often and wish that system was in place here w those hot girls they have, maybe would work better in Canada?

In meantime I will stick to commuting to Germany and hopefully toss Spain back in as I hate this conservative bucket of shit I live in!

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2201472]Thanks buddy! Viorica hangs out around the bar, closer to the old kino. However, I was in the club only 2 days with her and she might easily be in other places. Has a tatto with the name Denis on hand as I recall,[/QUOTE]You sure that the was not a P? LOL.

Phallus: great summary of what some here on the forum has tried to write for awhile. But there are criticisms to your theory also: it is a bit unfair to the less beautiful women, and not to mention the older women looses out to younger more beautiful types.

This could and probably should be offset by some sort of basic income.

In your theory, sex becomes more clearly the currency that it started out as, and a new economic pyramid is made where sexual appeal is king of the world (or queen of the world).

What many of the socalled feminists forgets, or tries to avoid at all cost is that the real winners in all of this is the beautiful women. Because in a world without any norms against open prostitution and p4's, the most beautiful women would control the world. Far more so than today.

Continuing on with this train of tought, darwinism could take off far more so than it does today. In todays society, the money scheme you talk about ends up being partly anti-darwinistic as working too much ruins your physical appearance and / or immune system.

Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada and prices are still inflated at a minimum of 300/ hour for girls who are 6's and 7's. It's $500+ for the few girls who even would be in the top 25% of FKKs. From what I hear these clubs and escort pages are not flooded with post graduate girls from universities like UNLV, UNR, or Univ of Arizona. They are mostly 25-40 year old fuglies, yet they earn 300+ per hour.

If for some miraculous reason a dogmatic change sweeps across the US legalizing prostitution, I think at best the prices would normalize at 100/ half hour. The only way it would flourish is if immigration policies relax and the clubs become worked by loads of Mexican girls.

Even if legalized, brothels would have to be far outside the cities because they would not be in practice allowed to do business in town. Most US municialities aren't even giving out permits for strip clubs anymore. Can anyone even think of a brand new strip club that openned in the city limits of their city in the past 20 years? Atlanta and NYC has had zero new strip club openings.

I can only see cities like New Orleans or Miami even standing a chance. New Orleans would be "Chocolate" brothel city given the huge population of destitute black people. Miami only because, well it's really not that American of a city.

But who knows, anything is possible if there was a full economic collapse further widening the income disparity and if the children of today's millenials become removed from the previous generations' teachings of societal norms.

I don't follow the logic of the arguments here, guys.

While Fosta / Sesta has caused some temporary disruptions, the USA Previously had a large, mature market. Prices were not distorted or manipulated. There were three large review boards for advertising and information sharing. You could (and can) get what you want from $200 or so an hour at the low-end to $400-$700 an hour at the higher end.

Would the existence of regulated megabrothels with an FKK concept drive prices way down in the USA? Personally, I doubt it.

First of all, there are regulated incall brothels in rural Nevada. They have the highest prices and the most clinical service in the entire USA Scene and are treated with disdain by customers, and most importantly by the sex workers who cannot have a life that includes education, family, pets, etc. While being forced to work where they live. Why the hell would a huge FKK be any different?

The economic efficiencies of FKKs feature a fixed place where a lady can have lots of sex with lots of customers in a short period of time. So the price per sex act is low due to volume, and no administrative or travel time and costs for the lady. I don't think that model would appeal to most US (or Canadian) sex workers. I don't perceive that they face a lack of demand at current prices. They are likely working as much as they want and getting a rate per sex act that greatly exceeds what a few guys here would like that rate to be. But I doubt that many North American sex workers would want to fuck twice as many guys as they do now to make 25 percent more in total receipts.

I think the typical lady that would be excited by that deal comes from Cuba, Venezuela and certain parts of Mexico. Good luck with that. Quite a bit different than taking a bus from Romania to Germany. The transportation costs are higher via plane. I guess the Mexican ladies could be bussed in if Border Patrol would be willing to say, okay, let this bus through. It is the hookers. Once again, good luck with that politically.

I don't think the per capita income or economic opportunities of rural women in North America is dismal enough for them to be excited about North American FKK opportunities. They have plenty of good paying sex work opportunities available now. It doesn't have a spotlight and government blessing placed on it like Germany does, but it exists.

KK mentions Montreal. But the strong agency system creates a lot of efficiencies there for the ladies. The agencies do all of the scheduling and transportation for them. Many get fully booked early in the day through advanced scheduling, so I am not convinced the ladies want to squeeze in several more customers at a lower price per sex act by staying at a fixed place incall where they circle a bunch of guys while naked. I think they would find that to be a less desirable work environment. Once again, it might work if you fly in a lot of Cubans, Venezuelans and Mexican ladies who live in extreme poverty. But that ain't cheap and it is a political and public relations nightmare even if you could magically change the law to make it legal. Not only is that unrealistic, but it would not exactly please the current North American sex workers.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2201833]Strip clubs are quite legal in the US. Just see the prices and the number and quality off girls. Usually lap dances go for $20 to $30 a song, which means roughly 4 min. There are some clubs with good girls, but they are NOT in hundreds of thousands, and only a small fraction of them are high quality.

For 50 E, you will never get a FKK caliber girl willing to provide equivalent services. KK posted about sugar babies who are willing to sleep for $300 an hour or more and it can still be hit and miss.[/QUOTE]For an American monger it is much higher than 50 E. Airline tickets, hotel accommodations, car rentals, public transportation, food, and other expenses pile up quickly.

Obviously all of us debating here believe prostitution should be legalized in the US. In reality it can take another generation to materialize. And it could come to exist through education or perhaps video game industry adding FKK-style fun as part of the virtual reality. Young 18 yr olds spend plenty of time gaming, don't they?

Eventually the prices will establish themselves naturally by the free market. Even if it's $300 or something, remains comparable with what we pay now for illegal P6 and risk many aspects of our lives if confronted by the LE in the States.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2201859]The girls would be no problem. There are The income and opportunity disparities in the USA are vast and becoming worse and more prevalent by the day. This is how Trump got elected, the promise of changing this, but that's whole new discussion. Suffice to say USA will not be a land of honey and lotus leaves anytime soon for 99% of the population. [/QUOTE]Romanian average income for a family is probably 20% of that in Western Europe. That's what is pulling the girls here. Or better: That's why there are "managers" supplying Western P6 locations with fresh young girls from Romania and Bulgaria. If demand was to be satisfied with Western European girls the clubs would be empty.

Even if P6 was legalized in the US South American girls wouldn't get an official permission to work in the USA. I don't think a FKK club scene with similar pricing to DACH could be established in the US.