Kyiv

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1331153]Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.

As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.[/QUOTE]Mark Jacobs jeans are nuts, last time I have seen nice Diesel jeans model was 10 years ago.

[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1331144]1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.[/QUOTE]This might be OK for Kiev; however, in my "provinces" I never ask for a table in a club. Standing at the bar works much better for me, because the girls, which are easily available, find me.

Usually, they simply stand besides me, sometimes they even bring their own drink, when coming from another party. Or just dance in my very front.

Invitation of girl (s) to the table quite often results in a simple, but expensive party, and then "bye, bye". Only difference in case we talk about the top class girls. They expect a table, usually. Because having some kick-back deal with the owner of the club. To make some business, even in case they don not like the potential "customer".

However, a good "bad girl" is sufficient for me.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1331208]last time I have seen nice Diesel jeans model was 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]Well, GF Tatiana in Tashkent would strongly disagree with this statement. Just say the word "Diesel" and see her legs open slightly in an uncontrolled answer. I just bought her a 240€ super skinny pair for my approaching visit by the way. They match perfectly with too high heels (smilie).

[url]http://store.diesel.com/fr/super-skinny_cod42255779vs.html[/url]

Oh, you talk about Diesel. I live near Diesel's headquaters and also I live in a country where unknown brands are good as much as Diesel. It is probably you are right, because it is a right marketing that makes great a product, and not instead a great product that makes good a brand. For your information, your Diesel jeans costs 8 dollars at the manifacture in Vietnam / Thailand / China and I don't think they could be very different from Levi's, Wrangler, Lee or etc. I really don't know which famous Italian fashion brands are still manifacturing in Italy with Italian fabrics and with Italian workers! Another example, scandalous is that Ferrari makes caps, t-shirts, scarfs, shoes, etc. In China and then it sells them with the slogan "designed in Italy", but they are not a piece of Italy, they are a piece of China!

The same criterion is about girls.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1331153]Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.

As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1331117]Hey I'm like you early 40's and just average looking and losing my hair. I saw the "Kmart" girls you are talking but I guess I was a little disppointed because I didn't fly 10 hours from Canada for that. Thursday was better as I split bottle service costs with 2 other newbies and we got a prime table right in front of the dance floor. Me and another guy brought guy brought girls with us to the club that night but I got a few numbers but they failed to respond to some day time action. We also went to Skybar on Friday night which had some better girls there. Mamba can very hit or miss as the girls can busy for days even after a great GFE. I had awesome night with a 20 year but who was at least 10-15 pounds heavier then her Mamba pic's. I will post a full review when I return and get time.[/QUOTE]I said Kmart clothes, not Kmart girls. Some are absolute stunners, inside and out. Believe or not, there are beautiful girls and I mean really beautiful, that do not have an Iphone and Diesel Jeans.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331252]Believe or not, there are beautiful girls and I mean really beautiful, that do not have an Iphone and Diesel Jeans.[/QUOTE]Hum. You obviously making sarcasm about some of things I've said about FSU societies being class societies where WE 'd better show in which class we are in. Evidently, a girl doesn't need the latest Iphone nor 250€ jeans to be charming and attractive. But YOU'd maybe need (among other things) stylish jeans to cajole the face kontrol guys in upper-market clubs. (wink)

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1330870]Face control in Moscow is tough on 40 something tourists like me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1331150]Ask yourself why do Kiev or ukraine women like foreigners, expessially americans?

Stability security better life chance to have nice family. The never ending list.[/QUOTE]I guess you are attempting humour here. If a Russian (or Ukrainian for that matter) girl is with you only for the financial or emotional security that you are supposed to provide, it makes you a tool, a stooge, but by no means somebody she REALLY wants to have a hot fling or a passionate romance with. Sorry, but your US passport doesn't necessarily make of you a guy worth fucking. By the way, for your information, in FSU, sex-weaned yank tourists are rather a subject of disdain or mockery nowadays. And even of hate sometimes.

[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1330840]So where does the toilet throatuck happen?[/QUOTE]It might sounds strange, but I've had my wildest adventures with drunk club sluts in Chisinau. And not only one. A good dozen of wild and quick scores and on-site fucks, some semi-public.

[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1331150]I guess if you want super easy sleasy women mamba, net, and Rio works.

But in reality no, I was at shooters last night, met up with english speaking guys there and had fun, it was filled with beautiful women, dancing on everything but the ceiling.

I guess I'm still a young guy so women is really easy for me, the language issue is just a new thing to get used to. There is a guy bartender at shooters who looks 16-18 hes a little pimp, he will tell you everything about the women. And even help you out. He saved me time, told me not to mess with specific women in the club because they do not like americans, don't know a single english word, are sleezy.

Anyway moral concept from what I gather.

Ask yourself why do Kiev or ukraine women like foreigners, expessially americans?

Stability security better life chance to have nice family. The never ending list.

Anyway just break the ice with a woman, buy here a drink accross the table or go dance with one, try communicating, make them feel special. Don't be entirely upfront.

ALWAYS INTRODUCE YOURSELF I got let down a lot because I wasnt introducing myself when I asked for their names.

Menhya-Zavut (your name)

Kak-vas-Zavut (asks their name)

Anyways yes, and Rio I was told by taxi girls take home for 100 USD no problem during late hours.[/QUOTE]Sadly I never got to experience Shooters as I was denied entry LOL.

Nice to see we are back on the wardrobes again. I was totally confused last time I went for shopping, due to the lack of advice of what to wear for several days. So I made it simple and just staple 100 EUR bills to cover my arms, legs, chest and back. I could fit many bills so the girls are really impressed. In fact I think everyone are impressed. So I must be a winner now, right?

[QUOTE=Prosal;1330553]Without being controversial, but don't you guys are bored to deal with constant arranged dates? I mean, what about unexpected adventures, drunk sluts fucked in the bars toilets, unforseen one night stands, booze-fuelled nights with inebriated dyevushki met in clubs, ect? When I read the Kiev thread and all this uninspiring stories about Rio, escorts, mamba piranhas, ect, it seems that it is nor the FSU that I know, and nor the FSU that I love.[/QUOTE]Yes I am sure people do that because the do not dare to be wild and crazy. In reality they are super bored. Not everyone can be wild and crazy, right?

Best for me is a mix. Arranged dates in daytime and alco induced adventures at night. But night clubs are often filled with corrupt and ego inflated idiots, that try to impress strangers. So I can can not blame people who are not attracted to the black energy vortex called night clubs.

As for mr A-fantasy-nizer. Would be great if the world was like you describe it, but men will always walk the edge to get the upper hand. If all men where cheap fisting anal fucking bastards, there would always be one prick that betray the rest and start to act all nice on the girls. Men almost always try to qualify, even if the describe themselves as hard core alpha males, all dressed up in their fancy feathers. The truth is that we all walk the slack line balancing between trying to impress and being a man that tales charge. And I must admit, it is not an easy line to balance on (unless you are in places like SE Asia).

BTW. I know a girl in Kharkov that I think would be into fisting. I got to fuck her and cum in both her ass and pussy without a condom (yes I was very stupid that day but thank god, or rather China, for rapid STD tests to calm paranoid minds).

B.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1331309]Hum. You obviously making sarcasm about some of things I've said about FSU societies being class societies where WE 'd better show in which class we are in. Evidently, a girl doesn't need the latest Iphone nor 250€ jeans to be charming and attractive. But YOU'd maybe need (among other things) stylish jeans to cajole the face kontrol guys in upper-market clubs. (wink)[/QUOTE]No sarcasm at all. Just saying there are a lot of pretty and sweet girls that can not afford the above toys. IPhones are an excellent sign that a girl is being sponsored and hardly offer any indication of social class.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1331153]Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.

As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.[/QUOTE]I wear Dsquared jeans and jacket. The ladies there seem to take notice and have made favourable comments.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331412]No sarcasm at all. Just saying there are a lot of pretty and sweet girls that can not afford the above toys. IPhones are an excellent sign that a girl is being sponsored and hardly offer any indication of social class.[/QUOTE]Of course you are right. Status accessories are not an indication of social class. Why does a girl with a modest job have a 650€ phone and 400€ shoes? Why is she sipping a mojito that cost 10% of the average monthly wage? How girls can afford this? Certainly not from their wages.

By the way, I saw sarcasm where there obviously wasn't. I guess it was a consequence of an abuse of Chardonnais (smilie) , my bad.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1331318]I guess you are attempting humour here. If a Russian (or Ukrainian for that matter) girl is with you only for the financial or emotional security that you are supposed to provide, it makes you a tool, a stooge, but by no means somebody she REALLY wants to have a hot fling or a passionate romance with.[/QUOTE]I disagree. A man can provide security to a woman without being used as a meal ticket. Most people have nothing in Ukraine. No parents to fall back on, no choice in the job market, remnants of soviet mentality that somebody should take care of them. Why would a Western guy be a stooge if he can give security to girl who in return offers companionship? Ask any dev why the defense towards foreigners, number one reply. "They won't marry you".

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331466]I disagree. A man can provide security to a woman without being used as a meal ticket. Most people have nothing in Ukraine. No parents to fall back on, no choice in the job market, remnants of soviet mentality that somebody should take care of them. Why would a Western guy be a stooge if he can give security to girl who in return offers companionship? Ask any dev why the defense towards foreigners, number one reply. "They won't marry you".[/QUOTE]I can speak only from my experience, but I find that by-and-large, the lower on the food chain the girl is, the sneakier she is. And consequently the relationship lacks of "passion" and of spontaneity. Lower class / poor girls are most often one-track-mind goldiggers. I remember that Doctor Skank said once that it's in their blood and called survival. Contrarily, higher social class girls often put out uncomplicated and passionate relationships. The bills are paid, they have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and they only feel they need hot adventures otherwise they are missing out on life.