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Man, won't you guys and all the ding dong dumbocrats be surprised when President Trump gets re-elected for a second term! After all, look at his competition: I am surprised that Joe Biden even knows his own name! Let the flame wars begin! Hahahahaha Your idiotic comments won't mean a thing when the votes are counted! Cheers! Go get laid and let the Republicans reconstruct what Obummer & Clintons have so cleverly FUBAR (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition).
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2455293]Dr. Cornel West: "What we are witnessing is America as a failed social experiment" why not judge or score presidents by the level of corruption. Carter got payback because of the evil done to Iran by the CIA fomenting a coup and installing the puppet "Peacock throne" of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. His sister, Fatimeh Pahlavi, was smarter. Ronald Reagan was down a rabbit hole of Alzheimer's, continuing the be movie role. He made movies starting a chimpanzee, and in a western on TV. Big Ron. The lobbyists were counting their loot, from the man with the dyed hair wearing a Teflon suit.
Can we judge presidents by what they did in retirement?[/QUOTE]I'm not a big fan of Cornel West, but I think he got the "Carter got payback" thing right. Then Carter handled the return of the hostages about as well as it could be done, imo. Handling it like a statesman instead of a gunslinger with other people's blood and his appointment of the great Fed Chairman Paul Volker, knowing full well what he would do to tame hyper-inflation triggered by rising wages and how jacking up Fed Funds/Interest rates during an election year would damage him politically was a "no win" situation for him. He could have played all of it the reckless populist way and might have won a second term. But it would not have been better for the country for him to have been so reckless and self-serving.
Carter's big problem as a president was he was a stiff, not fun and entertaining. Reagan was entertaining. I even voted for Reagan in 1980 because he was entertaining. Of course, I was young and dumb. And not paying much attention to things like average job gains, GDP growth rates, budgets, etc. in those days. I thought it didn't matter who was president. LOL. That's dumb.
I also think West takes a cheap shot at Reagan with the actor stuff (if all of that is a quote from West). And in so doing, he misses an opportunity to say something more important about him. The damage Reagan did wasn't because he was suffering from early stage Alzheimer's Disease. It was his policy results, not his mental state. He was perfectly lucid when he promoted and enacted the same favorite failed Republican Supply-Side/Trickle-Down economic policies they have been promoting and enacting whenever they get the chance going all the way back to the mid-1920's. And triggering massive economic downturns and dangerously widening the income gap virtually every time they get their way on it.
As a Republican, Reagan would have promoted and enacted that favorite Republican agenda whether he was capable of completing every Einstein calculation by memory or thought his wife was a tree stump.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2455297]Who is Cornel West, and why does he have any legitimacy beyond that of a barking dog? Sorry but these morons taking things to a ridiculous extent. Blacks in america need to look into their own cultural failings too.[/QUOTE]Who are you? You are denying the legacy of slavery. Can't you be al least a bit more subtle? Check our Professor Cornel West, an able spokesman about the state of politics in the USA. He is more legitimate than a troll on a site for sex tourism.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2455282]Oh, btw, Carter was the president that insisted that Congress change the 401K rules so the rank and file employees of a company could enjoy that rather miraculous tax advantaged retirement investment opportunity rather than allowing it to be the exclusive offering to the top execs in the company[/QUOTE]I thank President Carter for that too. Buy oh BTW, I see you didn't say too much about his foreign policy, indeed nothing at all! Wasn't he the same American president who toasted Iran as "an island of stability", and then found himself (and America) being humiliated by the Ayatollah, to include his disastrous, ill-fated rescue attempt? Not to mention the bad decision to allow the Shah to enter the USA, which directly contributed to the seizure of an American diplomatic post. And isn't he the the same American president who insisted on lecturing the most vociferously to the rest of the world about "human rights", when in fact, the USA itself had (and still has) an atrocious and disgraceful record in that regard, right up to this very moment as you read this? Look at your own country you hypocrite they said, and they were right.
I could go on, but let me turn to domestic policy. That was a good chuckle reading about how the creation of the recession wasn't his fault, and in fact, wasn't even a recession at all! Nice try! Tell that to the American people who spent an eternity waiting in lines to get gas for their cars. Quite expensive gas too if you could even find it. Try telling that to Americans who listened to his pathetic speech advising them to turn their thermostats down to 68 degrees, in what they believed (rightly or wrongly) should be the land of plenty. You note that Volker was Carter's Fed Chairman, but then in the next breath seem to think that Carter can somehow be disassociated from what Volker did. As you say, Volker was his Fed Chairman! So he Jimmy Carter had to bear the full responsibility for intentionally making a "not lousy economy lousy" LOL! He was another outsider who came to Washington not wanting to learn how to get things done, he alienated people on both the left and the right (including Tip O'Neill who should have been an ally), and was mostly ineffectual and weak (including with his zero-based budgeting scheme). He ultimately failed on both the domestic and the foreign policy fronts.
Now, I'm not here to argue with you, and will say no more on the subject, other than this. The American people resoundingly agreed with me that Carter had to go after four years, and that he was not what America needed in order to succeed into the future. In the end, that's all that mattered. He lost to Ronald Reagan in an embarrassing, lopsided whipping of 489 electoral votes to just 49 for Carter. The domestic "misery index", among other things (like calling for human rights on the one hand, while tying himself to a despot like the Shah on the other), did him in. Jimmy Carter is a very nice and decent man, who most would agree has made his best and finest contributions to society after his one and only (failed) term in the White House.
If Trump wins reelection after the deep hole he has dug for himself; he will be the greatest comeback winner ever or maybe Joe will be known as a bigger choke artist than Hillary. The election is Joe's to lose now with so much turmoil in America and Trump's own party turning against him, how can Joe lose? Pick the winner and place your bets.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2455320]I thank President Carter for that too. Buy oh BTW, I see you didn't say too much about his foreign policy, indeed nothing at all! Wasn't he the same American president who toasted Iran as "an island of stability", and then found himself (and America) being humiliated by the Ayatollah, to include his disastrous, ill-fated rescue attempt? Not to mention the bad decision to allow the Shah to enter the USA, which directly contributed to the seizure of an American diplomatic post. And isn't he the the same American president who insisted on lecturing the most vociferously to the rest of the world about "human rights", when in fact, the USA itself had (and still has) an atrocious and disgraceful record in that regard, right up to this very moment as you read this? Look at your own country you hypocrite they said, and they were right.
I could go on, but let me turn to domestic policy. That was a good chuckle reading about how the creation of the recession wasn't his fault, and in fact, wasn't even a recession at all! Nice try! Tell that to the American people who spent an eternity waiting in lines to get gas for their cars. Quite expensive gas too if you could even find it. Try telling that to Americans who listened to his pathetic speech advising them to turn their thermostats down to 68 degrees, in what they believed (rightly or wrongly) should be the land of plenty. You note that Volker was Carter's Fed Chairman, but then in the next breath seem to think that Carter can somehow be disassociated from what Volker did. As you say, Volker was his Fed Chairman! So he Jimmy Carter had to bear the full responsibility for intentionally making a "not lousy economy lousy" LOL! He was another outsider who came to Washington not wanting to learn how to get things done, he alienated people on both the left and the right (including Tip O'Neill who should have been an ally), and was mostly ineffectual and weak (including with his zero-based budgeting scheme). He ultimately failed on both the domestic and the foreign policy fronts.
Now, I'm not here to argue with you, and will say no more on the subject, other than this. The American people resoundingly agreed with me that Carter had to go after four years, and that he was not what America needed in order to succeed into the future. In the end, that's all that mattered. He lost to Ronald Reagan in an embarrassing, lopsided whipping of 489 electoral votes to just 49 for Carter. The domestic "misery index", among other things (like calling for human rights on the one hand, while tying himself to a despot like the Shah on the other), did him in. Jimmy Carter is a very nice and decent man, who most would agree has made his best and finest contributions to society after his one and only (failed) term in the White House.[/QUOTE]I didn't mention Carter's foreign policy because I was citing reasons why he could not possibly be the "worst president of all time", which is what people wanting to elevate Reagan's disastrous foreign policy record and even worse economic record had been saying until Obama came along. Then Obama became their new standard of "worst." Every Dem that comes immediately after or before a particularly disastrous Republican presidency record of results is always characterized as "the worst president of all time" by Republicans. FDR was the favorite demon for Republicans for decades. Still is in many ways. In Carter's case, one could argue he came into it after AND before a particularly disastrous presidency that required a ton of excuses and flimsy justifications to elevate or distract from their results.
We can't cite everything in every post or they'll be even longer than they are already. LOL. But I also notice you didn't mention the Camp David Accords that Carter brokered. That was foreign policy, too. A helicopter crashed during a rescue attempt and you cite that as a Carter foreign policy disaster? Really?
The Arab Oil Embargo and subsequent gas lines and skyrocketing prices were already happening by 1973/1974, before Carter was elected.
If you concluded that I meant for Carter to be disassociated from his great Fed Chairman Volker and his methods for taming hyper-inflation, then I really failed to convey my point. I meant to assert that Carter knew exactly what Volker would do to solve that problem, that he went through 2-3 other Fed Chairmen until he got the one he knew would conduct the difficult but necessary solution for it and that Carter expected him to do the right thing to solve the problem DESPITE his full awareness that his doing so during an election year would very likely produce the second term loss you rightly pointed out he got.
I also only said the recession that began during his presidency was the briefest one on record and almost did not even qualify as one by the classic definition, not that it "in fact, wasn't even a recession at all!" So I am glad you got a good chuckle out of something that popped into your mind. But it wasn't from anything you read in my post.
Finally, the fact that he alienated or annoyed both Democrats and Republicans in Congress doesn't disturb me at all. I'm not even sure why that isn't a factor for all the "Bothsiders" out there (and I am definitely not one) to consider him one of the best presidents of all time.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2455333]If Trump wins reelection after the deep hole he has dug for himself; he will be the greatest comeback winner ever or maybe Joe will be known as a bigger choke artist than Hillary. The election is Joe's to lose now with so much turmoil in America and Trump's own party turning against him, how can Joe lose? Pick the winner and place your bets.[/QUOTE]Biden is like Jimmy Carter 2. 0.
The guy is a buffoon and is / was Obama's valet. The white uncle tom. You already know what this guy is going to cater to and do. It is so predictable.
The result will be a lopsidedness in the other direction. More money and taxes will leave the country and you will have more of the same negativity yet no more white knights on dark horses to set you free.
Bottom line is shit is fucked up unless we find a very hip president with a knack for international relations and economic affairs.
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Bottom line is shit is fucked up unless we find a very hip president with a knack for international relations and economic affairs.[/QUOTE]Like who, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, John Cena, Mark Cuban? The country needs someone who will inspire people to go out and vote and these two out of touch geezers we have running are just not going to do that.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2455307]Who are you? You are denying the legacy of slavery. Can't you be al least a bit more subtle? Check our Professor Cornel West, an able spokesman about the state of politics in the USA. He is more legitimate than a troll on a site for sex tourism.[/QUOTE]Racism is a legacy of evolution. It's not going away no how much social engineering seeks to 'accomplish'. Humans will be run by AI before so-called racism disappears. Why not simply try to improve peoples' manners. That's something we could all appreciate.
BTW, having witnessed Cornel West prancing around Princeton for years in his ridiculous costume no doubt believing he's a latter-day W. E. b. Dubois, it is impossible to take the man seriously. What we found really too funny was a letter from West that our premier banker (a man with a sense of humor) had framed and hanging prominently on his office wall. Meant from West as compliment to the bank staff, it began: "In all my years of banking. " What prompted the letter? We were informed that Dr. West kept bouncing checks and expected personal service in balancing his checkbook.
US is in dire trouble, the reserve currency is what worries me, because when it goes we will face collapse.
The candidates are both very poor. The root issue is monetization of the government by companies. Normal people do not get a seat at the table.
As for emptying the swamp, Mr Trump seems to have added new and more ugly rapacious species. At least they are in plain sight and not camouflaged. But that is hardly the point.
[QUOTE=DCups;2455303]Man, won't you guys and all the ding dong dumbocrats be surprised when President Trump gets re-elected for a second term! After all, look at his competition: I am surprised that Joe Biden even knows his own name! Let the flame wars begin! Hahahahaha Your idiotic comments won't mean a thing when the votes are counted! Cheers! Go get laid and let the Republicans reconstruct what Obummer & Clintons have so cleverly FUBAR (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition).[/QUOTE]Let's get real though. Truth is truth, and Dubbya did his share of FUBAR too. Just sayin.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2455307]Who are you? You are denying the legacy of slavery. Can't you be al least a bit more subtle? Check our Professor Cornel West, an able spokesman about the state of politics in the USA. He is more legitimate than a troll on a site for sex tourism.[/QUOTE]Look dude you don't know me and likewise. So no need for the personal attacks.
Cornel west is a nobody in American politics. If you don't know that you aren't aware of much.
Slavery was of course an injustice, but 50 yrs after MLK and significant systemic reforms, all African Americans seem to want to do is fight.
Where is the sense of purpose, where is the desire to show everyone that they are worthy of respect. Where is the culture?
Very few and far between. All the black community leaders I see keep screwing the community by blaming others and not for one second looking at the deep rooted cultural flaws as well.
I mean this genuinely. Black America will get nowhere with this approach.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2455406]US is in dire trouble, the reserve currency is what worries me, because when it goes we will face collapse.
The candidates are both very poor. The root issue is monetization of the government by companies. Normal people do not get a seat at the table.
As for emptying the swamp, Mr Trump seems to have added new and more ugly rapacious species. At least they are in plain sight and not camouflaged. But that is hardly the point.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2453895]I wished it was that simple. Unless you are an economics guru... SNIP. The world has its eyes on the USA and Sweden right now because of their approach. If they fail, all hell breaks loose. I think you guys know why. It's the domino effect and the result of our interdependence on each other in this world. The Bretton Woods Agreement and the mighty US Dollar. If I was some of these other countries right now, I would send my best and my brightest or as much as possible to help out the USA from failing. SNIP.[/QUOTE]That Brentwood Agreement and US Reserve. We think alike. But I'm still just a kid.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2455416]Look dude you don't know me and likewise. So no need for the personal attacks. Where is the sense of purpose, where is the desire to show everyone that they are worthy of respect. Where is the culture?[/QUOTE]Some people have a penchant for asking them. To find out the answer to yours, go here: [URL]https://nmaahc.si.edu/[/URL]. Go early at opening and plan to stay late, because there is an awful lot to see!
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2455416]Look dude you don't know me and likewise. So no need for the personal attacks.
Cornel west is a nobody in American politics. If you don't know that you aren't aware of much.
Slavery was of course an injustice, but 50 yrs after MLK and significant systemic reforms, all African Americans seem to want to do is fight.
Where is the sense of purpose, where is the desire to show everyone that they are worthy of respect. Where is the culture?
Very few and far between. All the black community leaders I see keep screwing the community by blaming others and not for one second looking at the deep rooted cultural flaws as well.
I mean this genuinely. Black America will get nowhere with this approach.[/QUOTE]
George Floyd's death was an injustice. Two medical examiners ruled it a homicide. Are you saying that the black community should shut up about this and thus get respect?
"America always wins" No deep rooted flaws in American culture. No sir! "can't we all just get along?