Converting from monthly allowance to PPM
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500649]Issue with conversion between per meet and per month allowance is the frequency of payments. Say, you are used to giving allowance of $300/ meet. If you agree to $1200 a month with the implicit understanding that you will meet once a week, do you give the $1,200 at the start of the month, in the middle, or at the end? If you give it at the first meet, what will you do if she takes it and vanishes? On the other hand, if it is at the end or even in the middle she is giving a free one (s) and you might not come back.
[/QUOTE]I recently converted a monthly allowance to PPM. She was someone that I had an affair with last year, and she never expected or asked for a penny. She is 45 years old, married, but has a pretty good body, and she loves to DFK and we are quite compatible in the sack. I didn't see her for about 8 months due to the lockdown, and her deciding to stay in her hometown. However, she and her husband and their adult daughter recently moved to a city neighboring Shanghai. This meant that we could rekindle our affair. However, when I met her again for the first time, a couple of months ago, she was desperate for money, because she and her husband did not work during the lockdown, and she needed to pay three months rent, so I gave her a lump sum to cover the entire three months rent, and I told her that I would give her another lump sum in three months. But I told her that I wanted to see her once per week and she agreed, mostly because I think she genuinely likes me too. Since then, we've only met three times. She kept coming up with excuses to not meet. I did not mind too much. I like her and I was happy to help her. And then, a few days ago, she asked me if I could give her another lump sum to pay off a debt, and she said that I didn't have to pay her rent next time. I thought about it for a couple of days, and then I told her that I don't have large sums of cash laying around, but that I could give her some money each time we meet. As soon as I said this, she said, "can we meet tomorrow?" So, PPM definitely works well sometimes, despite the fact that it feels transactional.
That said, my other SB is still a monthly allowance. So far, it's going well. I see her once or twice per week. And around twice per month, she spends all day with me. She actually said something to me that really struck me. She said, "I need two things from you: love and money. The only way I can get those things is to make you happy. " At first, I wasn't sure how to take this. But then I decided that this makes her a good SB. She also texts me everyday. She's hilarious. But yeah, she too has canceled dates too. That happens with monthly allowances.
One of the best parts of both SBs is that we bareback. So, this is another reason why I cut them some slack in terms of our arrangements.
Update on SA in South America
So if anyone wants to read my post history, you'll know that I went on an awesome SA date pre-pandemic. Long story short, over the course of the pandemic this girl and I grew close to the point that she is now basically my novia. I think we were both in a position that we were lonely and wanted company, she didn't really need money at the time, and I wanted it to feel real, so I basically brought up the idea of vanilla, unpaid dates, and she was absolutely fine with it. Fast forward many months and many Zoom-based movie nights, and I finally got to see her a few weeks ago. I'll confess I am weak against the pleasures of the flesh, and I had seen other girls that I found on SA in Medellin. But to show you guys how chill my novia is, we went to La Isla strip club. Not only was she ok with me looking or touching, she actively brought over girls for me to play with. And at the end of the night, she said that she didn't consider it cheating if I had sex with other girls. So definitely picked the right one haha.
Anyways, I've been using Seeking in Mexico City and Colombia over the past couple of months while traveling. I've got to say, it takes a lot of time and patience for flakes, but the reward may be worth it depending on who you are. On multiple occasions I've had girls confirm with the day of and never show up. One girl even had the balls to say she was in the Uber on the way over and she ghosted me. And in general these girls will go days without answering their messages. But the upside is potentially so sweet. You might find a novia (feel like I've already struck gold) or at least find some very cute university girls / non-pros that you can chill with.
With these non-pros, there's no clock watching, complete GFE, and its a girl that I can just hang out with for hours and have a real conversation with. In contrast, I've never met an actual puta that I didn't want out of my room 10 minutes after finishing (then again, not very experienced, so who knows). I guess the only strategy is to have a stable of professionals at hand in case someone does flake. I'll confess my Medellin FB game was not on point, so I spent many nights just alone. Which is ok since I was and will be there for an extended period of time but not great for a someone trying to maximize their time.
But how to separate money from sex IN THE BEGINNING?
[QUOTE=JackOfNone;2501863]When I decided to go to the casino, I didn't have any intentions of taking the date to her apartment, but somehow we ended up talking about that. I did not have too much time that day and had to get home back soon, so I asked if we can go to her apartment for a preview of our weekend's date and not the full monty. She was on board for that after a bit of coaxing but she thought I thought I mean the same arrangement (250) also to meet tonight. I told her that I cannot stay for a ling time and thus we will not be able to enjoy each other fully, so how about a reduced arrangement of maybe 100-150, for like a blowjob or something like that. To be honest, I made the rookie sugar daddy mistake of thinking in terms of how much I would pay a hooker for a specific time frame. If this was now, I would have treated it differently.
Anyways, she was kind of ok with that and agreed to leave after she goes to the bathroom. We return to our table, she goes to the bathroom with her friend, and suddenly her mood had changed, and she told me that she did not like how I offered her money, and I should have made my proposal in a different way. I was a bit pissed honestly, and tried to come to an arrangement but the mood was already spoiled. I think the ***** friend said something about it when they went to the bathroom together, but don't know for sure. I finished my drink and left for the night (with a disappointed johnny). We kind of said our goodbyes the next day on text, but I was careful not to burn bridges.
I did message her after a few days, but she was a little bit dry, although still willing to meet. I haven't had the chance to meet her yet, but maybe someday, who knows.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your story. Yeah, when we meet a non pro on SA, we have to tread carefully and not treat them like a pro and not treat them like something that we are buying. As Pessimist, WyattEarp, and Steve9696 have said recently and in the past, we have to separate the money and sex for non pro SA gals, otherwise they will feel bad about themselves. But this is easier said than done. In the beginning, when we meet an non pro SB for the first time, how do we separate the money from the sex? This is very hard to do. Many years ago, when I was pretty new to SA, I had a great first date, and she suddenly said, "lets go back to my place and snuggle. " I was stunned and thrilled. So I said, "okay, and I will give you $500. " She shot back, "I am not a prostitute!" I quickly apologized and told her that I was so crazy about her, that I lost my mind. That calmed her down. So, yeah, we have to separate money from sex, but how? I guess the best thing to do is to NOT bring up money unless she brings it up. This has worked for me on occassion. What I will do is listen carefully on the first date, and if we end up in the sack, then the next day, I will say, "last night, you told me your dog needed to see the vet today, I love dogs, so let me pay for that, here's $200. " Or, I will look for opportunities to pay for something else. Another example is that on the next day after a successful first date, I said, "I see your car door handle is broken. You should fix that. Let me give you $300. ".
Finally, I think sometimes we just have to roll the dice and take a plunge. One of my current SBs is someone I met for a PPM, and it was great, but then she said that she will never do that again. And so, I had to cajole her into seeing me a few times on real dates. We had lunch. We did window shopping. When she saw something she liked, I bought it for her. One time, I even bought her an expensive piece of jewelry. So one day, at lunch, she said, let's go to a hotel. She even paid for the room! A few days later, I said, "I know you have some stress about your mortgage back home, which is $1,200 per month. I like you a lot. And so, let me pay your mortgage for you every month." For me, I thought it was very important for me to wait a few days before I suggested paying her mortgage, so she didn't feel I was paying her for sex. That was a couple of months ago. Since then, I've been seeing her almost twice per week at my love shack. And each time meet, I give her nothing. At the end of the month, I give her money for her mortgage. Sometimes, I might still buy her stuff when she sees something she likes. But this relationship works because we keep money separate from sex. But it took a long time and a lot of money to get this established and running smoothly. She now even buys me small gifts (one time, she gave me a nice gift) and pays for lunch sometimes.
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Anyways, I've been using Seeking in Mexico City and Colombia over the past couple of months while traveling. I've got to say, it takes a lot of time and patience for flakes, but the reward may be worth it depending on who you are. On multiple occasions I've had girls confirm with the day of and never show up. One girl even had the balls to say she was in the Uber on the way over and she ghosted me. And in general these girls will go days without answering their messages. But the upside is potentially so sweet. You might find a novia (feel like I've already struck gold) or at least find some very cute university girls / non-pros that you can chill with.
With these non-pros, there's no clock watching, complete GFE, and its a girl that I can just hang out with for hours and have a real conversation with. [/QUOTE]Yeah, this is exactly the tradeoff. SA can be a lot of time and aggravation, but when you find good SBs, then it's totally worth it.
