Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Frazer]I'll do when you bring some arguments, my friend.

I have been explained several times by a number of Rainbow(s), Shark and Baccara girls that their management has a strict policy concerning their rates and that the senior ladies actually brainwash the newcomers.

Sometimes they were girls declining my offers (and this story may be part of the negotiation) but in some cases they were girls actually accepting less than the going rate (yes, it happens but I repeat that IMO it is *very difficult* unless you go for a dog).[/QUOTE]

I've barfined 4 rainbow girls this year and never paid more than 1500 ST. One girl of the 4 didn't want to accept but I said "sorry, I never pay more - if you no want, no problem" and she thought about it for a minute and accepted. Have never paid higher than 1500 at shark, tilac or baccara either. None of them could be called dogs.

I visited Eden Club today for the first time. Following general advice on the forum I arrived around 1pm to get a larger selection of girls.

Had a quiet beer before arriving at Eden at a bar at the end of Soi 7/1. It was a nice change to have a beer and not be interrupted by a girl offering a massage :).

Although I have seen reports that Eden is hard to find I had no problem. Soi 7/1 is right under the Nana BTS station and there is a clear streetname sign. Eden is about half away up on the right hand side and is clearly signed.

Got inside and met Marc, who ran through the menu as I was a first timer. Had a quiet beer and watched the girls generally getting ready before getting them lined up. I would say there were about 20 girls, ranging from a 5 to an 8 in my opinion. I chose no. 3 from the left of the line and she chose no. 12 from the right. 3, called Lee, was cute and slim. 12, called Rose, was a larger girl. I probably would not have chosen 12 as she was not as slim as I like, but they did get on well! I also had them dress as schoolgirls - why not!! The room we used was clean, although it would not win a designers award, with mirrors on the walls and ceiling.

The girls told me business was slow.

It was a good experience, although sometimes I can find 2 girls is 1 too many. Cost was 4020 including drinks, plus tips for the girls.

WM

[QUOTE=Evianist]They will go to your hotel. Sometimes they might say they want to go to the short term hotel, but if you say "no, go my hotel" they'll be ok with it.[/QUOTE]
Just to say that I also did not like the artificial side of the Eden experience..
It's one of those place that you have to go to once, but, in my opinion, do not need to repeat.

[QUOTE=Dreams]Just to say that I also did not like the artificial side of the Eden experience..
It's one of those place that you have to go to once, but, in my opinion, do not need to repeat.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, this was an answer to another post on Eden. You would have guessed...

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I agree that they are brainwashed and spoiled.

Recently I've had 2 attractive girls out of rainbow 4 for less than 1500ST each and 1 young attractive girl from shark for 1500ST. I can say from experience that almost all of the girls in these clubs can be negotiated down as long as you're willing to negotiate (make sure the mamma is not around). A lot of guys can't be bothered to negotiate and just pay whatever the girl asks. Remember these girls are trying to get as much money as they can out of every guy.[/QUOTE]To heck with the whole spoiled bit. Get their numbers and have them come over in the afternoon or else get them as they come out after closing. 1000ST is enough, depending on business and how they like you can be done, and if performance is good, can be done again and again.

Tried after an overnight flight, caught up with some sleep in the morning. In the afternoon, went to Annie's massage and picked up one of the sideline girls. Massage was good but I felt the girl's "ability to please" fell short of expectations. Overall, not a bad experience. Wanted to check out an escort agency and made a call. Now I knew that these girls charge the sky but wanted to check out if they had any better girls than the ones in the bars. Was charged 4, 000 for 2 hours. Service was good but certainly not mind blowing. Looks were not the same as seen in the website. But no regrets because I just wanted to try this route. Went back to Annies later at night and this time took a fish bowl chick. Service was great though the girl was not the best looker. Again proves the point that higher price is not a guarantee for great service.

[QUOTE=Dreams]Just to say that I also did not like the artificial side of the Eden experience.

It's one of those place that you have to go to once, but, in my opinion, do not need to repeat.[/QUOTE]Although I quote his post, the following does not necessarily refer to Dreams' take on Eden, it's just meant as a general comment about the experience.

Since I'm lazy I'll start by copying here what I wrote about my recent Devil's Den experience (Eden and DD offer exactly the same services in the same settings at the same prices).

[QUOTE]Now, I am not a threesome or DD expert, but very often I read about guys complaining that the service they received was mechanical.

18 months ago, half-way through my first Eden (in Bangkok) experience I thought the same, and during the second part of that session I took a more proactive role, asking for things and directing them a bit. Night and day.

These girls are used to very strange requests and fetishes of all kinds, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that, if left with no clear requests with a "regular" guy, they kind of just repeat a pre-arranged script: I-suck-you-she-suck-me-you-fuck-my-ass-she-puts-finger-in-your-ass. Willing to please, yes, but not involved.

This time around I prepared my own script, a kind of illustrated storyboard of how I wanted to spend my 1. 5 hours, which I submitted to the girls as soon as we got to the room.

Just seeing the storyboard pics on my mobile was enough to grab their attention, and from then on they proved to be very involved, not only in realizing my own fantasy, but in having fun themselves.[/QUOTE]Eden is famous and therefore many of us stop there sooner or later, but I gather that those who, like me, don't have any particular fetish or extremely kinky desire, are the minority.

Eden and DD mainly cater to a certain segment of punters, so if the "normal/average" monger wants to enjoy the experience, he needs to go in there with the right mindset and most importantly comunicate what he wishes for to the providers.

And a second visit might be needed to get the hang of it.

But if you try it only once and anyway don't have any interest in even a tiny bit of dirty sex, yes you'll probably left a little disappointed.

By the way, my next time in Thailand I'll try the 2 girl out-call experience, to check how it compares to the on-the-premises one.

My 2 cents,

Ryo

even when your plan "goes wrong" you will have a great time here.

what happened to me? was it because i'm finally off a short leash and way too eager to get at it? or was i just living up to my isg handle?
2 days ago i did some quick refresher research by rtff and made a short list using names listed in reports.

but then i mixed up the details of who did what when i asked for cream at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. in the upstairs cubicle i requested her special rim job warm up. she looked at me like wtf and refused. i apologised for the confusion and put my shoes back on. she changed her mind then and said ok - but you give me big tip. i offered 500 bt tip and she was very good. on my scale she's a solid 8 in looks, performance, attitude. but then i'm an older punter and my standards may not be as high as some on this board.

in other news, i changed from my long standing best value inn on 7/1. in the day at 800 or 900 baht it was acceptable for me. with a very nice staff and convenient takeout all over the soi. at 1100 bt, no internet, pathetic water pressure and some serious hotel competition, it's time to shop on wotif.com. i booked citadines on soi 8 for 1,465. it is exceptional at that price. however, no breakfast and a 10 minute walk from suk but they do have free tuk tuk shuttle service.

last night i took a 30 yo out of the alec pool bar on a sub soi off of soi 4. she looks about 22 and had the tits of an 18 yo. if she lost about 2 kilos she'd be a little spinner. no children and looked better naked than i expected. i don't know how you'd get one of those big porno cocks in that little hole.

and my final comment will be my 2 satang on talent - yes, it's true, there are some downright pathetic offerings. i had time to watch and take it in when still hanging out on 7/1. too many ladyboys and fat old women to be sure. but, the gems are right there too. not hiding, easy to find. i'm wondering if many of the better ones are at massage places. i saw one on soi 8 that might be a 10 in looks. looked about 20 yeas old. after i try another one on my list today, i'll take one for the team and check her out.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]Although I quote his post, the following does not necessarily refer to Dreams' take on Eden, it's just meant as a general comment about the experience.

Since I'm lazy I'll start by copying here what I wrote about my recent Devil's Den experience (Eden and DD offer exactly the same services in the same settings at the same prices).

Eden is famous and therefore many of us stop there sooner or later, but I gather that those who, like me, don't have any particular fetish or extremely kinky desire, are the minority.

Eden and DD mainly cater to a certain segment of punters, so if the "normal/average" monger wants to enjoy the experience, he needs to go in there with the right mindset and most importantly comunicate what he wishes for to the providers.

And a second visit might be needed to get the hang of it.

But if you try it only once and anyway don't have any interest in even a tiny bit of dirty sex, yes you'll probably left a little disappointed.

By the way, my next time in Thailand I'll try the 2 girl out-call experience, to check how it compares to the on-the-premises one.

My 2 cents,

Ryo[/QUOTE]Well, Eden actually grows on you. The first time is a bit scary and yes, it does take a couple of visits to settle down. Once you have settled for your "main" girl, the Eden experience really becomes fantastic. I use the same girl and every time I go, I m surprised at how she makes sure all my requirements are met. She remembers everything about what I like and she actually instructs the second girl, in a way, leading the session. Don't give up: you'll get to enjoy the experience on your follow-up visits.

What are the current prices for st and lt in nana car parking lot? Or in clubs like, climax, bossy?

Thanks for your answers.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]But if you try it only once and anyway don't have any interest in even a tiny bit of dirty sex, yes you'll probably left a little disappointed.[/QUOTE]I've been going to Eden and Hell Club/DD since they opened, though I get the urge only a few times per year. Only recently did I realize why I don't go more often.

It isn't the way the girls like to program the activities. That's easy enough to override. It isn't the fake moans etc. Better they fake it a bit than act totally disinterested, which is probably how they feel a lot of the time.

No, my problem is that these girls know all about fucking and sucking but don't have much of a clue about eroticism. It's all full-on, all the time. They can shove any body part (or toy) into any other body part, and then slam on and on forever. But when it comes to gradually building up the excitement, most don't have a clue. Think of the way a good soapy girl can spend an hour very slowly and subtly working you into an absolute haze of lust, even before the bonking.

So yes, we go to Eden/DD for the total wham-bang hardcore, and sometimes we all want that. But for me, most of the time, there's a lot more to sex than that.

[QUOTE=Henryv]I would respectfully disagree. At any age, I would, and do, make it a point of stopping at the desk to make sure they take my gals ID. If I remember, I say loud enough for my friend to hear: "its ok if you call me when she leaves."

One or two times it has helped me out in a tight spot, particularly in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=B9999]I went to Fantasia (amongst others. LOL) in NEP and BF'd a delightful, young, cute, slim, gorgeous, tiny, smooth-skinned lady. Took her back to my hotel (Landmark) and was lucky enough not to be stopped by security.[/QUOTE]

I totally approve!

Right on the mark with your comments and keen observation!

- Jerry


[QUOTE=Betong] No, my problem is that these girls know all about fucking and sucking but don't have much of a clue about eroticism. It's all full-on, all the time. They can shove any body part (or toy) into any other body part, and then slam on and on forever. But when it comes to gradually building up the excitement, most don't have a clue. Think of the way a good soapy girl can spend an hour very slowly and subtly working you into an absolute haze of lust, even before the bonking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ghatotkach]Well, Eden actually grows on you. The first time is a bit scary and yes, it does take a couple of visits to settle down. Once you have settled for your "main" girl, the Eden experience really becomes fantastic. I use the same girl and every time I go, I m surprised at how she makes sure all my requirements are met. She remembers everything about what I like and she actually instructs the second girl, in a way, leading the session. Don't give up: you'll get to enjoy the experience on your follow-up visits.[/QUOTE]
My experience was the opposite, the second visit was worst than the first and so was the third (and last...). But I am not a regular, just visiting hardly once a year, so not special status
To each his own, but I think it is good to have introduced a bit of criticism on Eden, so newbies will have more balanced views, and probably more realistic expectations.

Not a big deal, but last time I was told tipping was not necessary.

Any pressure to tip?

[QUOTE=Wolfie Mike]I visited Eden Club today for the first time. Following general advice on the forum I arrived around 1pm to get a larger selection of girls.

Had a quiet beer before arriving at Eden at a bar at the end of Soi 7/1. It was a nice change to have a beer and not be interrupted by a girl offering a massage :).

Although I have seen reports that Eden is hard to find I had no problem. Soi 7/1 is right under the Nana BTS station and there is a clear streetname sign. Eden is about half away up on the right hand side and is clearly signed.

Got inside and met Marc, who ran through the menu as I was a first timer. Had a quiet beer and watched the girls generally getting ready before getting them lined up. I would say there were about 20 girls, ranging from a 5 to an 8 in my opinion. I chose no. 3 from the left of the line and she chose no. 12 from the right. 3, called Lee, was cute and slim. 12, called Rose, was a larger girl. I probably would not have chosen 12 as she was not as slim as I like, but they did get on well! I also had them dress as schoolgirls - why not!! The room we used was clean, although it would not win a designers award, with mirrors on the walls and ceiling.

The girls told me business was slow.

It was a good experience, although sometimes I can find 2 girls is 1 too many. Cost was 4020 including drinks, plus tips for the girls.

WM[/QUOTE]