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[QUOTE=Karat;2349081]Hi PayForIt,
Red head Anabel? Does she has long reddish dreadlocks? She is German, tall, skinny, fake tits, around 25 years old?[/QUOTE]Anabel is natural, red hair, no deadlocks, nit very skinny as ass is a little extra. Very pretty face. You can't miss her.
[QUOTE=PayForIt;2349044]I understand that guys like cheap sex. But its never going to be cheap in Artemis because of the 80 entry. I don't understand why any guy who just wants a quick 30 minute fuck to satisfy a need would go to an FKK at all. There a far better looking escorts in brothels which charge no entry fee. So even if you got incredibly lucky at Artemis and found a girl who gave great service for 30 minutes for 60, you'the have paid 140 for that 30 minutes due to having paid 80 to enter. Why do that? You can go to some bordellos in Berlin with flat rate 80 entry and you can fuck up to 4 girls for as long as you want. Or if you prefer a really pretty girl, pay an escort who might charge 150 for an hour but is on a higher level than most girls in FKKs.
I think most guys who go to FKKs want more than one quick 30 min session but then I'm a tourist so that's what I do and see. But if it was really all about 30 min sessions and out you wouldn't see the same guy in the club all night.
There is no doubting whatsoever that the average age in this club has gone up. But it was always higher than in NRW and Hessen, always had more silicones and girls with tattoos. I don't see that much has changed at all. Not because I have my eyes closed but because it's like it always was save for two exceptions which are that there were also a lot more younger girls mixed in than there are now and it was easier years ago to get girls going to the room for 60 with all included..[/QUOTE]What I like about FKK set up is that you can see the girls you fuck before sex and with escort you rely on agency to choose the girl for you because you cannot tell how she look in photos of escort agencies on their websites etc.
And in FKK, you do see these escort girls working on their low season days. These girls are the best, but upsell can be extreme.
BlueBudgie made nice, balanced, very useful report of Artemis visit this past week, but posted on Berlin thread. Wish he also included names but still shows what is possible (again) if you keep calm. In case he does not copy it over, hope all read it:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=2349106&viewfull=1#post2349106[/URL]
[QUOTE=PayForIt;2349044]I understand that guys like cheap sex. But its never going to be cheap in Artemis because of the 80 entry. I don't understand why any guy who just wants a quick 30 minute fuck to satisfy a need would go to an FKK at all. There a far better looking escorts in brothels which charge no entry fee. So even if you got incredibly lucky at Artemis and found a girl who gave great service for 30 minutes for 60, you'the have paid 140 for that 30 minutes due to having paid 80 to enter. Why do that? You can go to some bordellos in Berlin with flat rate 80 entry and you can fuck up to 4 girls for as long as you want. Or if you prefer a really pretty girl, pay an escort who might charge 150 for an hour but is on a higher level than most girls in FKKs..[/QUOTE]I have also thought about this, why men go to FKK when you can get much better service and higher class look girls outside?
I think that men like going to FKK because these clubs sell the harem feeling. Men go there and they like the feeling they can pick from a bunch of pussies walking around them, makes them feel like gods they can pick and fuck any girl they want. With escort girls and as Mr. Ho mentioned you have the risk the girl will not exactly look like the pic, but hey sometimes she looks even better!
Hey guys,
I'm going to Germany in a couple of days. I'm going to Berlin first then Frankfurt.
I want to break my FKK virginity. Is Artemis worth it or should I visit the FKK's in Frankfurt?
[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2349595]I have also thought about this, why men go to FKK when you can get much better service and higher class look girls outside?
I think that men like going to FKK because these clubs sell the harem feeling. Men go there and they like the feeling they can pick from a bunch of pussies walking around them, makes them feel like gods they can pick and fuck any girl they want. With escort girls and as Mr. Ho mentioned you have the risk the girl will not exactly look like the pic, but hey sometimes she looks even better![/QUOTE]That's the point exactly. Couldn't agree more. It's the "I'm Caesar" / harem feel which attracts the men. FKK sex is not cheap. There were moans and grumbles when I tried to price compare and a few guys were most unhappy about a willingness to accept rooms at more than 100/ hour. Truth is, as you say, better service and looks can be found outside, and probably for less when entrance fee is taken into account, but it is the magical feeling of being surrounded by many naked girls, all available for sex, who you can leisurely choose from. For that privilege it is worth the higher price.
[QUOTE=PrincePunt;2349604]Hey guys,
I'm going to Germany in a couple of days. I'm going to Berlin first then Frankfurt.
I want to break my FKK virginity. Is Artemis worth it or should I visit the FKK's in Frankfurt?[/QUOTE]I broke my FKK virginity in Artemis in 2013 and won't forget it. Remember the girls are older here than most FKKs. It's also the most expensive club on entry and price per session (by 10 e for every 30 minutes). I think a great intro to FKKs would be FKK World in Frankfurt. Lovely club, less hassle, but not as strong a line up as Sharks or Oase where you find much more upselling.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2349323]What I like about FKK set up is that you can see the girls you fuck before sex and with escort you rely on agency to choose the girl for you because you cannot tell how she look in photos of escort agencies on their websites etc.
And in FKK, you do see these escort girls working on their low season days. These girls are the best, but upsell can be extreme.[/QUOTE]Sorry but my experiences are completely opposite to yours, real beauty, fresh and student will never work in a FKK, the risk to meet a friend from the parents or a family member is far too high, only the girls who have nothing to lose will work in a FKK, that is why so many girls are coming from Romania. A real escort is not ready to show her body for free to everyone and she will have a significant number of regulars so no need to get fucked for 50 euros. How many french, Italian, Belgium, dutch, German girls are working in brothels or FKK in Germany, I can tell you very very few and if any she will be there for a very short time, or she has some serious mental issues.
[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2349595]I have also thought about this, why men go to FKK when you can get much better service and higher class look girls outside?
I think that men like going to FKK because these clubs sell the harem feeling. Men go there and they like the feeling they can pick from a bunch of pussies walking around them, makes them feel like gods they can pick and fuck any girl they want. With escort girls and as Mr. Ho mentioned you have the risk the girl will not exactly look like the pic, but hey sometimes she looks even better![/QUOTE]Much better service and higher class look girls outside? Really?
In Berlin escort girls that are "better service and higher class look girls " is way more expensive than girls at Artemis.
Be free to prove me wrong by posting links.
[QUOTE=PayForIt;2349793]That's the point exactly. Couldn't agree more. It's the "I'm Caesar" / harem feel which attracts the men. FKK sex is not cheap. There were moans and grumbles when I tried to price compare and a few guys were most unhappy about a willingness to accept rooms at more than 100/ hour. Truth is, as you say, better service and looks can be found outside, and probably for less when entrance fee is taken into account, but it is the magical feeling of being surrounded by many naked girls, all available for sex, who you can leisurely choose from. For that privilege it is worth the higher price.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't like that there are so many naked girls around available. I prefer to see them sexy dressed and give me the opportunity to hunt and get the trophy.
So it doesn't make so much impression to me (except from the view from behind when some girls bent over to talk or to get something. LOL LOL).
[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2349836]Much better service and higher class look girls outside? Really?
In Berlin escort girls that are "better service and higher class look girls " is way more expensive than girls at Artemis.
Be free to prove me wrong by posting links.[/QUOTE]Actually some really good offers. Try salon prestige less than a kilometer from Artemis. New van kampen is not so cheap, but has some beauties. If you check berlinintim and kaufmich also you can find some good offers.
Normally when you for a certain amount of tine, you get what you paid for. The only thing is that it is come and go, no chatting and choosing so much. And, there ia not whole day experience. No sauna or whirlpool after the sex and no kitchen for food.
Also, many reviews online for girls, so you can do research on services.
I find that Hamburg and Hessen have much more escort options, but Berlin is not "poor" so you can try it. Don't forget to share your findings. Good luck mate.
[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2349836]Much better service and higher class look girls outside? Really?
In Berlin escort girls that are "better service and higher class look girls " is way more expensive than girls at Artemis.
Be free to prove me wrong by posting links.[/QUOTE]I wasn't referring to Berlin exactly and I have no idea about the look of the escorts there. At least in my country almost all escort girls look better than what I see in Artemis and Frankfurt clubs while the service is 140/ hour and only extras are anal and CIM / COF around 20-30 euro each. So better and cheaper than aggressive and rude FKK girls. Even on some random Berlin escort sites I see some cute faces and reasonable prices.
[URL]https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escorts/berlin/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.privatmodelleberlin.com/en/[/URL]
I think most people not from Berlin goes to Artemis because of lack of knowledge regarding the rest of the p6 market in Berlin. Call it stupid tourism / business travellers if you'd like. And transportation convenience.
[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2349942]Personally I don't like that there are so many naked girls around available. I prefer to see them sexy dressed and give me the opportunity to hunt and get the trophy.
So it doesn't make so much impression to me (except from the view from behind when some girls bent over to talk or to get something. LOL LOL).[/QUOTE]It's really interesting. I monger more in Spain than I do in Germany. Quite apart from the weather normally being better, I like the girls being dressed in very elegant dresses and seeing them undress slowly in the room. But I love being surrounded by the many naked girls in an FKK too. Particularly at Oase, Sharks or World on a sunny day, lazing by the pool and watching many naked girls in the pool or walking by. I had one afternoon I shall never forget at Oase sunbathing with three slim lovely girls, they were naked, I was naked, oil rubbed everywhere (no charge), nice (paid for) BBBJ at poolside by one of them but deliberately without a finish so that I could continue to be excited by their presence. But then if I'm in FKK land for 3 days or more, I feel like the allure of naked bodies drains away. In fact I grow bored of seeing so many boobs and asses. I long for a short skirt, stockings not fully on display, elegant evening wear, a low cut top showing cleavage.
Are we never happy?! How wonderful to have the mix of two fabulous experiences on offer. I got criticised earlier this week for comparing FKKs with Vive Madrid. The best week in a year is to be able to sample the 20 or 30 girls of 9 or 10/10 standard at Vive (never seen such a collection anywhere else in the World) then hop over to DE for the naked harem. Or vice versa. Doesn't really matter!
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2349796]Sorry but my experiences are completely opposite to yours, real beauty, fresh and student will never work in a FKK, the risk to meet a friend from the parents or a family member is far too high, only the girls who have nothing to lose will work in a FKK, that is why so many girls are coming from Romania. A real escort is not ready to show her body for free to everyone and she will have a significant number of regulars so no need to get fucked for 50 euros. How many french, Italian, Belgium, dutch, German girls are working in brothels or FKK in Germany, I can tell you very very few and if any she will be there for a very short time, or she has some serious mental issues.[/QUOTE]Before 2015, there used to be quite many Germans working, especially in summer months of July and August. After registration law, and even before that it is getting less and less. The reason I left Artemis in 2015 is because of decline of line up and extreme upsell that got to the level of hustling.
I am going back this late summer after long years away, I hope it will be good day. All I need is just one or two stunner to be found in large numbers of line up.