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[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586380]Regardless, whether it is 4 x or 9 x, do you think many girls would be dissatisfied with my offer?[/QUOTE]I do not think chicks will not be satisfied with your offer on paper. What I think is that you will have a difficult time finding someone to accept your offer. There is a different breed out there now. Chicks just want to get the money and be out. They are not trying to stick around for days on end like their predecessors were. These are ADD hookers.
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I've played the free game. I didn't like the price I had to pay. I know now that I'the rather pay for her to leave. I thought that's what this forum was mostly about.[/QUOTE]It appears to me that there are plenty of posts telling you to watch out for the hidden agenda. "Free" sex is not that difficult to find, but as you imply "free" comes with a price. Often the formula is pretty simple. You tell the girl what she wants to hear, and then having got what you want, you move on. That seems abusive to me. Alternately, where is the dishonesty in a cash relationship?
As for those who want to talk about their "freebies", you've probably got relative youth on your side right now, and good luck to you. But as you get older, opportunities are likely to decline, especially from the 20 somethings. Maybe then, you might start questioning the fact that she might have a hidden agenda.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586434]I do not think chicks will not be satisfied with your offer on paper. What I think is that you will have a difficult time finding someone to accept your offer. There is a different breed out there now. Chicks just want to get the money and be out. They are not trying to stick around for days on end like their predecessors were. These are ADD hookers.[/QUOTE]You might be right. But what are the chances of them earning COP 7 million over the next four weeks? I might be misreading the situation, but every time I see a vid of the Clock Tower, I see supply far outstipping demand. From what I have read here, I think I could probably go there most nights and get TLN for 250-300 K. Are you telling me that of the hundreds of girls that are there every night, I wouldn't be able to find a few who would not find it attractive to not have to worry about finding a customer for the next four weeks?
I know the vids don't tell the whole story, but I'd bet that many of the girls seen in these will go home empty handed on many nights.
[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2586411]On Hollywood Beach I have used the Hotel Dann. It is literally on Hollywood Beach and is guest friendly. It runs about 70 to 80 USD per night but is very convenient. In the Walled City I use the El Viajero.
[URL]https://hotel-el-viajero-centro.negocio.site[/URL] The rooms are cheap but clean. It located near the Clock Tower, the Dulce Vida and other pick spots.[/QUOTE]I checked out this video yesterday. The room he showed in El Viajero did not have a window though the hallway overlooked a downstairs patio of some sort. The room appeared to be quite tiny. I can't imagine anyone would want to stay there for the whole evening, which would cost $30 USD. The short time rate, according to him, was $10. He did not show the room that has a kitchen and balcony overlooking the street, which has been mentioned here. Other than that, he viewed a couple of place in Bocagrande; one was called Oz but that one was pricey at $50 per night but apparently allowed guests. The rooms were nice but too far from El Centro in my estimation.
I have been going to Thailand for the past several years during the winter months. My last visit was the winter of 2020 at the beginning of Covid. One thing I like about Thailand, and Bangkok in particular, is how safe it is. You can walk down a street, or Soi as they call it there, in the middle of the wee hours and feel totally safe. I have had dozens of encounters with P4 P with not even the slightest feeling of menace or the thought someone may attempt to rob or drug me. It's just not part of their culture. There are always exceptions and urban legends but for the most part, I think it's quite safe. I suppose picking up a LB on the street late at night, being drunk etc. Is not such a great idea but in general there is no comparison to South America in terms of relative safety.
[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586386]Totally agree with you about the relative trustworthiness of Thais.
As I've already stated, I don't speak Spanish. But then again, I've never got that drunk on a monger trip, that I could not put myself to bed.
Yes there is always a chance you might be robbed down to the chica, and you know someone that happened to. How many people do you know that it hasn't happened to? And what are they going to get? On a good day after I've been to the ATM, maybe $300. By the time I've got home after night out, that might be $150 including the money for the girl. I have an old laptop, my phone, luggage, passport, a 35 year old Seiko watch and Debit card. Robbing me, will not change her way of life. I know you can't factor in the stupidity element, but if the door is opened from the inside, would the girl really think I would not figure out her role in this? But then again, you can never allow for the stupidity of desperation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586458]Are you telling me that of the hundreds of girls that are there every night, I wouldn't be able to find a few who would not find it attractive to not have to worry about finding a customer for the next four weeks?[/QUOTE]You are approaching with an "If I was them" mindset. I am sure you know that women in the first place do not think like men. So you should know that third world uneducated (except for some of the Venezuelans that may be in the position due to political problems in their country) hookers most definitely do not think like first world educated men.
These chicks, or even chicks in general, do not think about tomorrow or next week. They only think about today. Then one day they wake up old and alone and wonder what the fuck happened. They lived for today without planning for tomorrow. They looked at "the clock tower" as something that would always be there when they needed, not thinking that one day they would no longer be clock tower material. They are not concerned with the four weeks steady work some old ass foreigner is offering, because for now they can just go back to the clock tower tomorrow.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586359]LOL. Which robbery? They happen all the time all over Colombia. Just look at the news, read ISG, or join one of those Colombia expat facebook groups. A good buddy of mine was left destitute and in the gutter a few years back. They did not get him inside. They got him outside. Your place with security can not help you with that, unless you just plan to stay in and order chicks online.[/QUOTE]Since you know everything can you tell us if Cartagena, a world class tourist destination, is safer than Medellin, Bogota or other parts of Columbia? Do you have any buddies who were robbed or assaulted in Cartagena?
[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2586411]On Hollywood Beach I have used the Hotel Dann. It is literally on Hollywood Beach and is guest friendly. It runs about 70 to 80 USD per night but is very convenient. In the Walled City I use the El Viajero.
[URL]https://hotel-el-viajero-centro.negocio.site[/URL] The rooms are cheap but clean. It located near the Clock Tower, the Dulce Vida and other pick spots.[/QUOTE]Does the Dann charge for extra guests beyond the first one?
[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586474]Since you know everything can you tell us if Cartagena, a world class tourist destination, is safer than Medellin, Bogota or other parts of Columbia?[/QUOTE]World class tourist destination? You sound like the Thai government in Pattaya saying they are about to make Pattaya rival Miami. Cartagena has a few old structures left over from the first Europeans that went to the place. If that makes it world class, then...
Safe is in the eyes of the beholder. You are asking that of someone that hangs out alone in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota at 2 or 3 in the morming, something most guys on this board would not even do at high noon.
[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586474]Do you have any buddies who were robbed or assaulted in Cartagena?[/QUOTE]My buddies do not hang out in Cartagena. They all know that "world class tourist destination" only means that we are going to charge you more for shit that is cheaper everywhere else.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586485]World class tourist destination? You sound like the Thai government in Pattaya saying they are about to make Pattaya rival Miami. Cartagena has a few old structures left over from the first Europeans that went to the place. If that makes it world class, then...
Safe is in the eyes of the beholder. You are asking that of someone that hangs out alone in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota at 2 or 3 in the morming, something most guys on this board would not even do at high noon.
My buddies do not hang out in Cartagena. They all know that "world class tourist destination" only means that we are going to charge you more for shit that is cheaper everywhere else.[/QUOTE]I don't think you go to many nice world class tourist destinations. They are expensive. Those are the only places that I travel to. Who do you think stays in all the luxury expensive hotels in Boca and Laguito that don't allow chicas in. Plus all the expensive cruise ships that port there? Tourists with moneda.
[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586324]Did that robbery occur in Cartagena? Do you know of any like that in Cartagena? I would only stay in a place with security.[/QUOTE]It happened in Centro, he stayed at a place with no security because he didn't want them constantly asking him for money every time he bring girls in. From the way he explained it, he found the girl over by the Scotia Bank where the bus stops and big Exito. They went back to to his place and they were drinking and doing shots. When he woke up, the girl was gone, his phone was gone, his wallet with all his cards was gone, all his pesos gone, his sneakers and his jerseys gone, even took his cologne jajaja. All he had left was his passport in the safe with $100. He was lucky it happened on his last night there and not his first day. He kind of did it to himself though because he said the place he stayed at had a double cylinder lock so in order to leave the apartment he had to unlock the door from the inside with a key but he would always leave the key inside the lock so he wouldn't loose it and get locked inside.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586353]What do you mean don't pay more than 50? A chair is either 4 or 12 depending on the style, not 20 or 50. You can get chairs and stuff from anywhere because the prices are regulated and supposed to be the same no matter who you get them from. I posted the prices from the government a while back and I shall post them again. If you are charged more than these prices there is a number listed here to call to report it.[/QUOTE]I usually never pay attention to the prices and they just show up at the end with some large number written on a napkin saying that's the total. It wasn't until I had a local chica with me and she kept track of what was ordered to make sure I didn't get ripped off and by her doing that I make sure giver her a little extra and make her a regular whenever I visit.
With this info, now I don't need to bring sand to the beach to enjoy it.
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But I find it interesting that there is a total lack of consensus from all the people who have taken the trouble to reply. I'd guess that is because most people have the difficulty in thinking about limiting their choices so drastically as I am prepared to. Do. On the face of it, it may not make sense to them, but I know my limitations and past experiences.[/QUOTE]I know I will start with 1 or 2 days, then extend if I enjoy it even if I have to pay more. If you can have one for 7 days, then why not have 4 for 28 days. Your solution is not a real solution because you are replacing one problem with another.
[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586386]Totally agree with you about the relative trustworthiness of Thais.
As I've already stated, I don't speak Spanish. But then again, I've never got that drunk on a monger trip, that I could not put myself to bed.
Yes there is always a chance you might be robbed down to the chica, and you know someone that happened to. How many people do you know that it hasn't happened to? And what are they going to get? On a good day after I've been to the ATM, maybe $300. By the time I've got home after night out, that might be $150 including the money for the girl. I have an old laptop, my phone, luggage, passport, a 35 year old Seiko watch and Debit card. Robbing me, will not change her way of life. I know you can't factor in the stupidity element, but if the door is opened from the inside, would the girl really think I would not figure out her role in this? But then again, you can never allow for the stupidity of desperation.[/QUOTE]All this depends on the Monger and how he moves.
Many of these chicas live day to day. They only care what they can get from the foreigner that day because they know they may never see him again once she leaves the apartment.
So the questions are always the same; Where are you from? Where are you staying? When are you leaving? When the monger gives them answers to those 3 questions the chica can estimate how much money the monger makes that they can afford to travel to their country, how much money the monger is willing to spend to sleep in comfort, and how much time they have to extract resources from the monger.
Similar to Thailand, allot of the girls do not work in the area they live. They will travel in a group 2 - 4 minimum and take the hours long bus ride into Cartagena on Thursday and rent a room together. If 1 girl can get 1 gringo for the day, the room fee is covered. Any additional gringo is profit from there on so if they can do 5 - 6 gringos a day each then leave on Sunday afternoon back to where they are from. Then a chica may not come back for another month because she made so much money. If something goes wrong, by the time the monger wakes up, that girl is long gone and its hard to identify her if they met on the street. Mongers are getting smarter and asking for the Instagram profile just incase something happens they have photos of the girl. At least in Thailand the hotels make the girl leave her ID at the front desk and she cannot get that ID back until the monger gives the front desk the "all clear", they also make copies of her ID just in case something happens to the girl the cops know which monger she went to see so everyone is on their best behavior.
In my experience in Colombia, the hotels and the apartments I've stayed at with security, the girl can just leave, pick up her ID, and be on her way. Security don't call the mongers room to make sure everything is OK for her to leave, or require the monger to physically escort her to the front desk to pick up the ID.
[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586458]You might be right. But what are the chances of them earning COP 7 million over the next four weeks? I might be misreading the situation, but every time I see a vid of the Clock Tower, I see supply far outstipping demand. From what I have read here, I think I could probably go there most nights and get TLN for 250-300 K. Are you telling me that of the hundreds of girls that are there every night, I wouldn't be able to find a few who would not find it attractive to not have to worry about finding a customer for the next four weeks?
I know the vids don't tell the whole story, but I'd bet that many of the girls seen in these will go home empty handed on many nights.[/QUOTE]Its going to be very difficult for you to get a chica that will accept 250 k COP a day when that same chica can get 250 k COP per gringo she leche throughout the day. When the girls are at the Clock Tower, they are just putting in overtime. They already had 4 - 5 gringos earlier in the day and they are just seeing if they can make extra at night because that's when the gringos pay more. They can now charge higher for TLN. Remember, just because you see someone getting it for cheap does not mean that you will also get it for cheap.
Remember the chica will see you as you don't speak Spanish and you don't live there so how much can she get you to pay while tolerating you until the next gringo comes along. Gone are the days where we could pay the girl and she's willing to cook and clean for the monger without him asking because she was raised that way. Todays chicas who are just getting into the market are about extracting as much resources they can from a man before they become too old to get men's attention, most new chicas are aware their body has a time limit, and will try to leche you as fast as possible.