Cartagena Reports

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586376]Just to clarify, I think my posts make it clear that I am not American. I am old. I am married (and I always make that clear). Why would anyone think that I am unaware that as far as the girl is concerned, this is anything other than a commercial transaction? Notwithstanding, that I prefer it to be commercial. In all the circumstances, all I am bringing to the party is my wallet.

As far as diminishing returns are concerned, I'd allow her one off day, but after, she is no longer what I want and she's gone.[/QUOTE]You are looking in the wrong place with hookers. If you want an arrangement, you go to [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. You need a woman who is able to think in a long term kind of a way and all the hooker types do is think short term.

As for Venezuelans, they are notoriously short term minded given what has gone on in their country and the best Venezuelans do not go to Cucuta but get to Medellin, CTG, and Bogota where the bigger money is. I have actually found them to be much more short term oriented than Colombians but all in all, they have been a little bit better in bed.

I have done [URL]seeking.com[/URL] and gotten longer term relationships like the ones you seek, but if you are getting a combination of looks, performance, and someone who is able to think long term, those are the types of women looking to better themselves via work or school or are relied upon by their family. Point is that you are not going to be able to find one who satisfies your needs. You will have to spread the wealth via two or three.

As for hotels, I would register a room and put down one of the women and (maybe both) after you have had done your interviews and tryouts with them.

All in all, CTG was the worst of the five cities I went to. I only found a few prospects there. I even dated Miss Cartagena from there, and she was a bit of a hothead. Character wise, Bogota was the best. Medellin had the best looking women but the least reliable. Barranquilla was much sparser but my three best fucks in all of Colombia were from there.

Anyway, my guess is that you are going to go into the hooker pool and wind up disappointed. The hooker types IMO do not do well with long term anything.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2586389]I'm not sure if you know the story of the (former) United Sates Secret Service agent who got into a disagreement with hooker at the now infamous Hotel Caribe in Cartagena. He was on an advance team for when the president of the USA was going to be going down later for a meeting of the OSA. He and other Secret Service met up with some US DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) guys who were working in Colombia (I used to spot them in the old La Dolce Vita in Laguito) so these agents were teaching him and some other Secret Service Agents about the "local talent". One Secret Service agent thought he could he could get out of paying this chica but she got the police involved and they were sympathetic to her. Prostitution is a legal profession there so they do not have to hide it and they can ask for police help.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I figured I would read about this again having been to Colombia and now being skeptical of what went on in the American media: what I heard went on and what actually did are two different things. I thought that the police filed a complaint against a Secret Service officer and demanded that he pay up. When the SS agent did not pay, the hooker filed charges and the police contacted the American Embassy to complain. That is not what happened. After having been to Colombia, I was very skeptical the hotel and the police would side with a hooker over well to do cash rich Americans. I also did not know how much she asked for, and it was $800 for the night which we all know is fucking insane.

Here is a good account of what happened and is much more in line with what I have observed in Colombia:

[URL]https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/03/25/secret-service-prostitution-scandal-one-year-later/[/URL]

But on their way back to the hotel, Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'd have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price—$800—Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarez—who later wrote a book about her night with the agent—claimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

Huntington gave Suarez the equivalent of about $30 in local currency and demanded she get out. "Let's go, *****. I'm not going to pay you," he said, according to Suarez, and shoved her out the door.

Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friend—who didn't ask to be paid—had spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the money—about a third of what she claimed she was owed—Suarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitution—which the hotel is accustomed to managing—but with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

The dogs' mess could be blamed on the Secret Service and military K-9 teams. The impromptu pool party was staged by a group of military service members, also staying at the hotel, who had trucked in their own alcohol, according to a source on the ground that night.

As the hotel was taking stock of the damages, the head of security for the Caribe called the US Embassy to report that a Colombian police officer had intervened in an altercation between a Secret Service agent, Bongino, and a local prostitute, Suarez.

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It is funny how our fucking press got a hold of this and turned it into a woman who performed and got stiffed when the truth is that she was trying to rip this guy off.

And the notion of federal employees doing whatever the fuck they want and raising a commotion pissing off all the other guests is something I could certainly believe.

But the notion that the police were stumping for a working girl charging $800 a night is fucking crazy. The other crazy notion is that a hotel would back a hooker over a paying customer.

After reading this article though, this fits what I have seen in Colombia. I just shake my head at the way this story was reported in our media. It fucking cracks me up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586485]World class tourist destination? You sound like the Thai government in Pattaya saying they are about to make Pattaya rival Miami. Cartagena has a few old structures left over from the first Europeans that went to the place. If that makes it world class, then...

Safe is in the eyes of the beholder. You are asking that of someone that hangs out alone in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota at 2 or 3 in the morming, something most guys on this board would not even do at high noon.

My buddies do not hang out in Cartagena. They all know that "world class tourist destination" only means that we are going to charge you more for shit that is cheaper everywhere else.[/QUOTE]I really can't make up my mind what troubles me most about reading your posts. The misogyny? The cynicism? Or maybe it's the persistent pessimism? Either way, you strike me as one of those people who always has to have the last word, so go for it. Ithink AmorPorFavor has got your number as someone who knows everything, but nothing nice.

ByeBye.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586494]I don't think you go to many nice world class tourist destinations. They are expensive. Those are the only places that I travel to. Who do you think stays in all the luxury expensive hotels in Boca and Laguito that don't allow chicas in. Plus all the expensive cruise ships that port there? Tourists with moneda.[/QUOTE]You are right. I kind of stopped after that water bungalow in Maldives. Expensive cruise ships were porting in Puerto Plata too and there are expensive places to stay there, but that does not make it world class!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586537]He kind of did it to himself though because he said the place he stayed at had a double cylinder lock so in order to leave the apartment he had to unlock the door from the inside with a key but he would always leave the key inside the lock so he wouldn't loose it and get locked inside.[/QUOTE]Yeah rookie move. I always hide the key between the trashcan and liner or behind a picture frame.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586621]You are right. I kind of stopped after that water bungalow in Maldives. Expensive cruise ships were porting in Puerto Plata too and there are expensive places to stay there, but that does not make it world class![/QUOTE]Cartagena is a very popular tourist destination unlike Medellin or Bogota. There is that better. There's a lot more to do than fuck hookers and millions of tourists were going there pre covid. [URL]https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/things-to-do-cartagena-colombia/index.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586618]I really can't make up my mind what troubles me most about reading your posts. The misogyny? The cynicism? Or maybe it's the persistent pessimism? Either way, you strike me as one of those people who always has to have the last word, so go for it. Ithink AmorPorFavor has got your number as someone who knows everything, but nothing nice.

ByeBye.[/QUOTE]LOL. I do not know everything, but I have a lot of experience in a lot of areas and a lot of countries. And if there is something I want to know then I have no problem asking whoever. Many things I have had to learn the hard way, so excuse me for trying to warn the next mf not to fuck up the same way I did.

I am a realist, not any of that other stuff you are ascribing to me. In grad school we used to have to do a swot analysis. Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats. In the Navy we would say prepare for the worst, but hope for the best. Maybe you only subscribe to the hoping for the best part and looking at the strengths and opportunities, while not wanting to think about the drawbacks and downfalls. Good luck to you.

I think it would be better if you negotiate with a girl here in Cartagena, I don't see any point in bringing a girl from Cucuta, when there are many to choose from here, I can help you with that, so you don't worry about being robbed or something like that, just send me a PM.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2585948]I am in the process of planning my maiden trip to Cartagena and Colombia, with plenty of prior experience in SEA.

Over the years, I've found that regularly changing girls isn't always great. I often think to myself, "I wish I had kept yesterday's model, because tonight's ain't working for me". Therefore if I find one that does work, I usually keep them on. The idea of a Venezuelan is appealing because you can be pretty sure that they will have no local family attachments, so 24/7 is possible. That's what I find so appealing about SEA with many girls not being local to the area where they work.

I have a trip planned for 28 nights. What are the chances that for 250 k a day, I might find a girl, probably a Venezuelan because of the economic situation, that would be interested in a deal for a month? It would also involve regular shopping trips for about 100 k daily. I believe that GFE, deserves BFE in return.

Plan be, involves a side trip to Cucuta near the VZ border. Flights are typically in the region of about $50 one way. Spending a day or two conducting "job interviews", and importing the successful candidate to Cartagena. Any thoughts on either idea please?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586474]Since you know everything can you tell us if Cartagena, a world class tourist destination, is safer than Medellin, Bogota or other parts of Columbia? Do you have any buddies who were robbed or assaulted in Cartagena?[/QUOTE]As a local I can tell you that Medellin or Bogota are much more dangerous than Cartagena, Cartagena is a fairly small city compared to the two previous ones, and being a tourist city recognized worldwide as you say, security is very much taken care of in the areas more frequented by tourists, it is very rare to see a robbery in the walled city, maybe in the most remote areas the situation is different and if it is true that there is insecurity, but in places like Bocagrande or Laguito or on the beaches it is very rare to see a robbery.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2586617]Yeah, I figured I would read about this again having been to Colombia and now being skeptical of what went on in the American media: what I heard went on and what actually did are two different things. I thought that the police filed a complaint against a Secret Service officer and demanded that he pay up. When the SS agent did not pay, the hooker filed charges and the police contacted the American Embassy to complain. That is not what happened. After having been to Colombia, I was very skeptical the hotel and the police would side with a hooker over well to do cash rich Americans. I also did not know how much she asked for, and it was $800 for the night which we all know is fucking insane.[/QUOTE]At first I thought there was a misunderstanding between $800 and 800 K COP when the agent and the prepago made the deal. But after reading this happened in 2013, no way in hell TLN was 800 K COP in 2013. She was really trying to rip him off and he was stupid enough to let her in his hotel room after hearing the price.

He probably had it in his mind that because her friend gave it up for free to his colleague that he was going to get it for free as well. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2586647]As a local I can tell you that Medellin or Bogota are much more dangerous than Cartagena, Cartagena is a fairly small city compared to the two previous ones, and being a tourist city recognized worldwide as you say, security is very much taken care of in the areas more frequented by tourists, it is very rare to see a robbery in the walled city, maybe in the most remote areas the situation is different and if it is true that there is insecurity, but in places like Bocagrande or Laguito or on the beaches it is very rare to see a robbery.[/QUOTE]Thank you. That's what I thought. You are hired. See you this winter.

New decree: Curfew changes and new sectors are opened in Cartagena.

- The curfew will be in force from 2:00 am Until 5:00 am Of everyday. The measure had been running until midnight.

- During the validity of the new decree, public or private events are allowed, which includes concerts, massive sporting events, and dance venues, with a maximum capacity of 50% of the capacity of the infrastructure where the event takes place. The event, guaranteeing physical distancing of at least 1 meter.

- The entrance to the authorized beaches will continue at 8:00 am Until 6:00 pm.

The mandatory use of face masks is ordered in public spaces and commercial establishments where social distancing must be guaranteed.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586479]Does the Dann charge for extra guests beyond the first one?[/QUOTE]I stayed there a couple of times to enjoy the beach. So one woman per stay. They do check here credentials so I am not sure if they would charge for the second one or not.

Locked in for the last week of September. Would be nice to meet some folks who monger there and have a selection. I do love it there. And yes it is a world class historical site, aside from having beautiful women.

Never had any problems there and never lacked for a good selection. 300 cop for the hour is the most I have ever paid and that was a 9. I have no problem paying the young women to fuck an old man like me. I may negotiate a little but while 300 may seem high, I am good with it. I don't think one guy paying a little too much is going to hurt the market. Plus if you want those memories that seem to good to be true you have to pay. But if anyone knows a drop dead beautiful woman who takes less, I am interested. Looking forward to the trip and maybe meeting Tony or Fireman for some hand selected beauties. Going to try anal this trip. Anyone know how to ask for that.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2586644]I think it would be better if you negotiate with a girl here in Cartagena, I don't see any point in bringing a girl from Cucuta, when there are many to choose from here, I can help you with that, so you don't worry about being robbed or something like that, just send me a PM.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that, but being robbed was not a paramount concern. The real issue for me is that Mr Knows Everything, says it can't be done. Not that I believe him, especially when you and others seem to think that apart from Cucuta, it is doable. I am not even sure most are saying that Cucuta can't be done, but more along the lines, "It's not something I would do if I were you".

Apparently the problem is the implied stupidity of Colombian women. I have no problem dealing with uneducated women. In all the hotspots for mongering. These are common, and it's rarely the girls fault. But I can't deal with stupidity and it seems that all I'm likely to find In Cartagena. It likely that these women would rather go to the clock tower every night where supply obviously outstrips demand, than accept a deal for COP 7 million. Apparently working girls are different and have no interest in repeat business. Then again I've read more than a few posts of girls not getting a customer and then going through their phone list to see which former client might be in need of company when the Clock Tower washes out for them.

I'm not sure I believe that. What I have in common with these girls is that I have spent most of my life in self-employment, If anybody has been in a similar position, they will tell you that as SE, you are at work most of your day even after you have gone home thinking. "What do I have to do to increase earnings and opportunities etc. But this does not seem to apply to Colombian Hookers.

BTW, just to explain, the appeal of Cucuta is that if did do a deal down there and imported her to Cartagena, I would not have the problem of her being gone for long stretches while she "went to work" for the day, or went home to "take care of the family". That's the appeal of Pattaya. Most of the girls have come hundreds of miles from Isaan, so those excuses don't really wash.