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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2058167]I am advocating what the seniors have said prior of let us wait and see what happens. Until then business as usual, right?[/QUOTE]Never said that. Not about reporting about bbbj after July 1st.

HB.

OK. Thought experiment for you.

Lets just say you're a happy monger who absolutely despises BBBJ for some inexplicably reason. You really fucking hate it and this new law is the best thing you've ever heard.

How would you go about making sure this new law is enforced to the letter?

Probably a good place to start would be to publicly name and shame girls that were still offering this disguising, illegal practice.

I'm guessing keeping your head down and not mentioning it would be pretty low on your to do list.

I'm afraid he and others will not get it, no matter how simple you put it for them. I'm wondering how they were able to register here.

HB.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2058184]OK. Thought experiment for you.

Lets just say you're a happy monger who absolutely despises BBBJ for some inexplicably reason. You really fucking hate it and this new law is the best thing you've ever heard.

How would you go about making sure this new law is enforced to the letter?

Probably a good place to start would be to publicly name and shame girls that were still offering this disguising, illegal practice.

I'm guessing keeping your head down and not mentioning it would be pretty low on your to do list.[/QUOTE]By this logic prostitution in the US should have been wiped out with the advent of the web. Coverage on US prostitution boards is fairly complete. But it, in fact, has not wiped out prostitution. Prostitution boards have made it easier to find than ever, and have provided a degree of protection for both consumers and providers.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2058188]By this logic prostitution in the US should have been wiped out with the advent of the web. Coverage on US prostitution boards is fairly complete. But it, in fact, has not wiped out prostitution. Prostitution boards have made it easier to find than ever, and have provided a degree of protection for both consumers and providers.[/QUOTE]Ah yes. And that applies for all of the FKK clubs in the US?

HB.

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[QUOTE=XXL;2058033]Alas the correlation in economics between prosperity and availability of sex for men is, if anything, the reverse. Economic surpluses price women out of the sexual market and men need to travel abroad for sex (US of A, Korea, Japan, etc.). If a country is broke the governement has no wealth to transfer to women and women need to trade sex to get by (Philippines, Cameroons, etc.).[/QUOTE]That is the north / south divide. Has absolutely nothing to do with sex.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2058113]I think this is the post you were referring to. I do not believe that the writer mentioned that they was a banker.

Anyway think of the outcry from Germans of further unwanted immigration to Germany. You would never hear the end of it.[/QUOTE]Wrong post.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2058185]I'm afraid he and others will not get it, no matter how simple you put it for them. I'm wondering how they were able to register here.

HB.[/QUOTE]I shouldn't answer this post, but come on, were not of same opinions so we shouldn't be able to register? Dude you need to open your own forum LOL.

[QUOTE=AznNick;2058211]I shouldn't answer this post, but come on, were not of same opinions so we shouldn't be able to register? Dude you need to open your own forum LOL.[/QUOTE]Can't you read? He didn't say about people with different opinions shouldn't be able to register. He was questioning yr intelligence 😂.

Guess you don't need to be a smart guy to register in a forum, LOL.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2058188]By this logic prostitution in the US should have been wiped out with the advent of the web. Coverage on US prostitution boards is fairly complete. But it, in fact, has not wiped out prostitution. Prostitution boards have made it easier to find than ever, and have provided a degree of protection for both consumers and providers.[/QUOTE]And that's what makes the US top of every mongers destination list ;-)

Honestly, I don't know enough about the US scene to compare but I believe Nevada is the only place that is in anyway comparable to the German scene. Girls work in legal clubs and condoms are mandatory for everything. Is it common for consumers to post reports saying that girls don't use condoms there? What are the consequences? Can clubs lose their licences?

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2058188]By this logic prostitution in the US should have been wiped out with the advent of the web. Coverage on US prostitution boards is fairly complete. But it, in fact, has not wiped out prostitution.[/QUOTE]Shutting down a FKK club would be fairly simple. Shutting down underground, small, scattered independent operators (apartments, street corners, parlors) are less practical.

FKK clubs are reputedly run by motorcycle gangs, who already feel like law enforcement has placed targets on their backs. Why would law enforcement go after prostitution? Because profits from prostitution are re-invested into their other criminal ventures. If law enforcement can cut-off a third of a gang's money supply, they certainly will. FKK clubs don't want to give them them any excuse to shutdown, hence why they might ensure the WGs and mongers are all in compliance with the new laws.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2058166]

I still advocate the reporting until we know better what the situation is. [/QUOTE]Reporting on whether a specific WG offers BBBJ seems to have already stopped altogether.

So I guess the ongoing debate is whether one should report that BBBJ is available at a specific club. But even that is more or less useless info. Because if names are not given, it is hard to piece together what percentage of the WGs at a certain club will offer it. Best to just make friends while physically in the club or exchange PMs.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2058188]By this logic prostitution in the US should have been wiped out with the advent of the web. Coverage on US prostitution boards is fairly complete. But it, in fact, has not wiped out prostitution. Prostitution boards have made it easier to find than ever, and have provided a degree of protection for both consumers and providers.[/QUOTE]The North American escort review and chat boards allow a guy to safely book an escort, usually with both incall and outcall options, and know exactly what services will be offered and what price he will pay, with no real concern about law enforcement issues as long as she is reviewed and preferably if she screens (to keep law enforcement away from her). In general, he is purchasing time and companionship, and she chooses to have consensual sex. It is a great system for most, although it is expensive by worldwide standards.

However, a compelling argument can be made that the Internet and those explicit details on the Internet contributed to the demise of the North American multiple-lady incall places with a published address, notably the San Francisco Asian massage parlors where at one time a person could simply walk into any of 50 or so such places and, after choosing from a line-up, get CFS (with some offering BBBJ and some offering CBJ). That city was a major destination for commercial sex as a result of the popularity and relatively low prices of those places. The city is still good, but the scene is now escort oriented, after virtually all the full service massage places with line-ups have been shut down. Just one example, but many message and review boards in North America now prohibit or actively discourage explicit details of an incall place with a published address, and / or prohibit the publishing of an address for places that only give the address to actual customers.

So I think that North American review boards do provide some things to think about regarding this. Personally, I think what was published on the internet pushed the media to make relatively more reporting of what occurred at the massage parlors and that snowballed into politicians forcing the police to make more closures. Just my opinion, though.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2058185]I'm afraid he and others will not get it, no matter how simple you put it for them. I'm wondering how they were able to register here.

HB.[/QUOTE]Hi HB,

At first I thought you were being an enormous hypocrite. Because you yourself have posted on the Munich thread numerous times and even this year that you have never failed to get BBBJ in Bavarian clubs nor ever paid extra for it. You kept posting that the law in Bavaria has no effect there. In fact you even mentioned the club's names.

So by this measure posting does not affect services. However I thought of something and thought of a compromise through this dilemna. I think posts like, everything was normal or as expected is fine in general but not when describing a session with a girl. We should definitively not out girls who do it, like you and others have mentioned.

I think mentioning girls who do it is a mistake and I shall never do this. However mentioning girls who insist on CBJ is fine and I think we should do this in order to shame them and discourage their business.

I would find this acceptable as a strategy and I think it would work.

1. After a club report with sessions, you can say everything was great or as before without being explicit, some posters have done just this. If a club goes out of the way to ban it, then do mention that likewise like World and 2 other clubs I will never find out about.

2. Never specifically mention that a girl did BBBJ in a session report about just that girl, but in general about a club.

3. Explicitly out the girls who insist on CBJ, that would do the trick.

I don't agree about not sharing information or posting, but I don't think we should ever name girls who do it, but rather those that insist on not doing so.