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[QUOTE=ChristianG;1708221]Full service with A+ or without is cost always 1. 500 b like Mango, Cherry, Tulip, Snow White? Or they a surcharge for A+?[/QUOTE]To my knowledge, only Bamboo adds a surcharge for A+. Tulip, Cherry, Mango, SW and Bongkot do not.
I went to 37.2 around 1:00 PM. They hand you a book to choose the girl. If you know me from Argentina Private, I always take the tallest girl available. In Buenos Aires, that is 170 cm and above. In Bangkok, that is 165 cm or so. I chose the course with the bath. Cake did an excellent job. Prostrate massage and the fire and ice BJ are her specialties. I paid 2600 baht for 2 hours. The menu says you can come twice but I am a one shot guy. Good service and I can recommend the place.
[QUOTE=Kuratla;1708242]To my knowledge, only Bamboo adds a surcharge for A+. Tulip, Cherry, Mango, SW and Bongkot do not.[/QUOTE]Rumor is that Mango might follow in a couple of months. Methinks the 500 baht "butt penalty" will be the rule soon.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1708263]Rumor is that Mango might follow in a couple of months. Methinks the 500 baht "butt penalty" will be the rule soon.[/QUOTE]That is sad. The advantages that these oil massage parlours have over soapies and escorts is the included anal and unlimited shots. Remove these options or charge for them will do away with the competitive advantages that they currently have. The management of these establishments should read these forums to check what their customers are saying!
[QUOTE=JackieChino;1708283]That is sad. The advantages that these oil massage parlours have over soapies and escorts is the included anal and unlimited shots. Remove these options or charge for them will do away with the competitive advantages that they currently have. The management of these establishments should read these forums to check what their customers are saying![/QUOTE]The problem is as follows- There are quite a few oilies in BKK now. Many allow the gals to set their own parameters meaning that some don't kiss, some will only give CBJ, etc. This has meant that the more attractive girls flock to these places where they can provide "less service" so to speak. The PSE places have already made compromises allowing some gals who work there not to provide A+ service. Even with this the quality of looks has degraded significantly at the PSE shops and the average age of the providers has skyrocketed. So what can they do to try to maintain a stable of decent looking gals while still providing PSE service? Guess their solution is to make sure the providers make more. We will see how it turns out.
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I tried this place today mostly because I saw a bunch of taller girls in the lineup on their website. I broke my own rules and took a shorter girl with bigger tits. I had a good time with Miyabi for 90 minutes at 2300 baht. The only downfall was that the BJ was covered. These Thai girls all seem to work hard. Three days in a row at pretty much random places I have had good experiences. I saw more good-looking girls as I walked out of the place. I usually go around 1 PM so it might be too early to get a great lineup.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1708426]The problem is as follows- There are quite a few oilies in BKK now. Many allow the gals to set their own parameters meaning that some don't kiss, some will only give CBJ, etc. This has meant that the more attractive girls flock to these places where they can provide "less service" so to speak. The PSE places have already made compromises allowing some gals who work there not to provide A+ service. Even with this the quality of looks has degraded significantly at the PSE shops and the average age of the providers has skyrocketed. So what can they do to try to maintain a stable of decent looking gals while still providing PSE service? Guess their solution is to make sure the providers make more. We will see how it turns out.[/QUOTE]
Well the only thing we could do as costumers is stop going there for a month and see what happens and let them know why we don't come again. Just every guy get in at mango first ask if they charge extra for anal and then say you won't pay that and leave and go someplace else.
But I know this won't happen. Basically I don't really care for anal that much but it sucks that we would have to pay extra.
[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1708727]Well the only thing we could do as costumers is stop going there for a month and see what happens and let them know why we don't come again. Just every guy get in at mango first ask if they charge extra for anal and then say you won't pay that and leave and go someplace else.
But I know this won't happen. Basically I don't really care for anal that much but it sucks that we would have to pay extra.[/QUOTE]It doesn't make much difference to me. I rarely want anal anyway but I tip above and beyond when I do so comes out the same. My issue here is if this turns into a slippery slope and other things (like BBBJ or DFK) also end up with surcharges.
[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1708727]Well the only thing we could do as costumers is stop going there for a month and see what happens and let them know why we don't come again. Just every guy get in at mango first ask if they charge extra for anal and then say you won't pay that and leave and go someplace else.
But I know this won't happen. Basically I don't really care for anal that much but it sucks that we would have to pay extra.[/QUOTE]For me anal is very importante, and I go in a place like mango, tulip, cherry, snow white for their A+ service. If some of this shop will start to ask a 500 b surcharge for anal, they will be out to my list.
Went to Snowwhite today because I read good reports of Pooky at the time she worked at Lilly.
There is a Pooky on the Website, who looks nice and Lilly and Snowwhite were connected so I thought it was her.
I asked Mamasan for Pooky and she said yes she's here. Bingo.
When she came she had nothing to do the the girl on the Website. OK, Photoshop I thought.
She was tall, I think about 170 cm maybe even a little more. I'm 196 cm and like tall girls, so I was happy and agreed for 2 hours.
After she got her stuff we talked about 10 min before she started to undress me and herself.
OK body, not very slim but also not fat. Firm and nice A tits. Nothing to do with the pic.
Nothing much happened in the shower just washing and a little touching.
On the bed little massage and body slight. After about 20 min she started and OK BBBJ nothing special. Nothing to do with the report I read.
After I CIM there was a little rest and I hoped for a little massage but she just started to talk to my dick. Sleep? Wake up. But didn't do much for it.
Just talked: wake up. I want come too. Why you not wait for me. Played angry. Talked again.
She tried different things but no technique and didn't know how to do things. I think she thought she can talk him hard.
Finally another CIM after I guided her.
She is a nice lady, funny, ting tong and wanted to do good but just didn't know what and how to do.
I think she needs someone who tells her what and how to do then it will be ok. Not my thing.
So if you like a tall girl and want to be a teacher she is the one for you.
Later she told me that she works only for 10 days now here before she was in a "normal" massage.
So she is definitely not the girl from the report and on the pic.
Does anyone knows where the "Lilly Pooky" works now?
We all want something for nothing; but P4P is a fee for service business.
Why shouldn't a SW who offers extra services, like anal, get more for those services? When I evaluate SWs, I make a simple calculation. What does the lady charge? What does she offer? By that I mean looks, personality and performance. I'll book a lady who is not a-level if she is very attractive, is conversant in English, has a great personality and provides a GFE as good or better than the real thing. I'll book another lady because I know she will give me a hardcore, 3-hole PSE. I may be willing to pay more for either of these two ladies; but if I think either lady is asking more than she is worth, I'll book someone else. Fortunately, in Bangkok my experiences are that there is an endless supply of SWs of varying quality who offer a range of services at a variety of price points.
Last time I visited Snow White I asked which ladies were a-level. I was told, "They all are. " At one time Tulip was the same. Apparently these shops chose to make a-level standard to draw customers. If the shop is popular it will have a recruiting advantage and can make it clear to any lady who wishes to work there what is expected of her. Another shop might only employ cute girls between the ages of 18 and 22 who offer only a CBJ and FS. It comes down to which market segment the shop is after.
Most shops have ladies who offer a-level and others who don't. Some shop's policy is to have a set price for all the ladies but leave offering a-level up to the lady. A lady who offers a-level can use that as an added incentive to book her. I've known ladies who, when they were young, could attract customers with their youth. As they grew older they saw a decline in bookings and started to offer a-level to boost their business.
Some ladies may not advertise that they are a-level but will offer it to some customers. This is understandable. For whatever reason a lady may value a particular client and want to give him something extra to encourage him to come back, or to entice him into giving her a bigger tip. Or a particular lady may be okay offering a-level to a man with a smaller dick, but not to a man who is hung like a horse. I have no problem leaving whether a-level is offered up to the lady. The sex industry is unique. An accountant may not particularly like a client but values that client because he provides steady work and pays promptly. It is not the same with a SW who might find it hard or impossible to offer some services to some men.
Shops that charge extra for a-level, and Bamboo is by no means the first to do this, have made a choice about how they wish to operate. Same with a particular lady. She may choose to offer a-level or not, or to only work in a shop that charges an extra fee for it.
It is a competitive industry. If shops that charge extra for a-level are avoided by enough guys, the shops that don't charge extra will pick up that business. If a shop can charge extra for a-level and still do a good business, more power to them.
If someone wants to hire you at a certain salary, are you going to ask for less?
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1708901]Why shouldn't a SW who offers extra services, like anal, get more for those services?[/QUOTE]Good PFP is about the experience. Selling services a-la-carte and upselling ruins it. Sticking it in the pussy 1000 baht, BJ extra 300 baht +100 for BBBJ, kiss on mouth 100 baht, take bra off 200 baht, extra smile 50 baht for one, A+ 500 baht. Many PFP markets like Amsterdam DO operate like this, and it's not fun at all.
Many guys value knowing that a provider is going all-out with them (during the time paid), and not holding back in order to sell you extra services. I can understand some girls are uncomfortable with A+ and respect that. However, I can't remember ever having a good and memorable sex session where the provider said "I'll do A for one price and B for an extra price".
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1708927]Good PFP is about the experience. Selling services a-la-carte and upselling ruins it. Sticking it in the pussy 1000 baht, BJ extra 300 baht +100 for BBBJ, kiss on mouth 100 baht, take bra off 200 baht, extra smile 50 baht for one, A+ 500 baht. Many PFP markets like Amsterdam DO operate like this, and it's not fun at all.
Many guys value knowing that a provider is going all-out with them (during the time paid), and not holding back in order to sell you extra services. I can understand some girls are uncomfortable with A+ and respect that. However, I can't remember ever having a good and memorable sex session where the provider said "I'll do A for one price and B for an extra price".[/QUOTE]I can appreciate how you feel about this. SW are selling there bodies; but they are also selling an illusion. I don't mean to come across as critical of guys who dislike being charged extra for a-level. I understand that really underscores the business nature of what is transpiring.
Still, bottom line, it is a business transaction. In my mind I just keep the financial and physical aspects of the transaction separate. I'm happy to pay for sex because I've found it cheaper in the long run than a relationship; and I like the straightforward nature of the transaction. I like the fact that it is completely straightforward with the MPs and escorts. There is a certain price, disclosed up front for certain services. If I want to fuck a particular lady in the ass, and the lady works at a shop that charges extra for a-level, no problem; I pay the extra and leave a standard tip. If there is no extra charge for a-level, I'll leave a better tip if I fuck her in the ass than if I don't. Either way, the girls' asses cost me about the same. I also try to keep it as straightforward as possible with the bar girls and FLs. I don't negotiate. I ask how much. I'll ask what's available for that price. If I think the price is high I may ask if that includes her ass. She may say yes. She may say no. In the end, I either say yes or no. So in my mind, it doesn't matter if there is a price schedule on a piece of paper or a verbal exchange. It doesn't matter how the printed price schedule is structured. I'm being offered some service for some price. I either take it or leave it. I believe in getting the business out of the way up front so it doesn't interfere with the fun. If I'm dealing with a shop, I don't care if they want me to pay the shop's fee up front or at the end. Either way I'll pay and decide how much to tip at the end of the session. With an individual girl I'll agree on a price to be paid at the end of the session. Then I'll pay that, with or without a tip depending on how the girl performs. While I've had SW in the USA try to up-sell me during a session, and always ask me for the money up front, neither has ever happened to me with a girl in Thailand.
Also, a-la-carte is common in Bangkok too.
You can go to a regular MP and get a regular massage. You can ask about a happy ending. The lady may say yes. In which case she'll ask for more. You could ask the lady to take off her top and let you play with her boobs while she masturbates you. If she says yes, she'll ask for more. Halfway through the HJ you can ask for a BJ. Again, she may say yes and ask for more. A few minutes into the BJ you may ask her to let you play with her pussy. If she says yes, she'll ask for more. After a few minutes of playing with her clit, you may be dying to fuck her. You ask. If she says yes, she'll ask for more. If you have the right frame of mind, both of you can have fun playing this little game. Similarly, you can go to a BJ bar and ask for FS. They'll charge you more. You go to any of the MPs that offer FS and ask for an hour, they'll quote you one price. Ask for 2 hours and they'll quote you another price. The more you get, the more you pay. That's the way the world works, even, where possible, in countries that try to suppress a market economy.
Finally, I always try to look at things from the other person's point of view.
I'm fairly close to a particular SW who has a reputation for providing a very good hardcore, 3-hole PSE. She's told me she does not like to give a-level. She'll do DT until her chest is covered with spit. She'll stick her tongue two and a half centimeters up your ass. But she doesn't like to have your dick up her ass; simply because it does not feel good. While some ladies genuinely enjoy it, get a dildo the size of an average dick, try it on yourself and let me know how much you enjoy it. Now my friend is an SW because her family needs and constantly asks for money. She sells her ass for something extra only because she needs the money. For this reason she's chosen to work in a shop where she's sure of getting paid extra for selling her ass. She's told me sometimes she really needs the money and is happy when a customer requests a-level. When she's not desperate she'd rather the customers not ask for it, even though she's giving up money. Regardless, she's a pro and it's always available when requested. As for me, sometimes I really get into anal; sometimes I could care less. With this lady I never ask for it, but because sex with her is always great and she seems to genuinely want to please me, I'll give her a little extra to help her pay for her father's pickup.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1708927]Good PFP is about the experience. Selling services a-la-carte and upselling ruins it. Sticking it in the pussy 1000 baht, BJ extra 300 baht +100 for BBBJ, kiss on mouth 100 baht, take bra off 200 baht, extra smile 50 baht for one, A+ 500 baht. Many PFP markets like Amsterdam DO operate like this, and it's not fun at all.
Many guys value knowing that a provider is going all-out with them (during the time paid), and not holding back in order to sell you extra services. I can understand some girls are uncomfortable with A+ and respect that. However, I can't remember ever having a good and memorable sex session where the provider said "I'll do A for one price and B for an extra price".[/QUOTE]Agree with you 100% and that is where I think the "oily" side of the P4 P industry is headed. Its going to be up sell up sell soon enough. Yes, I too have been to Amsterdam and it is not very "fun. " I would make the case that LOS is becoming less and less "fun. " The interesting thing about so many things in Thailand is the more you pay the less you get. This is quite true with trendy restaurants here now and can certainly be applied to the current P4 P scene. There are cultural aspects involved here, but I really don't want to digress into a discussion about that here. Suffice it to say that it is an issue. The business model is changing; I made reference to that in a previous post. I am not fond of where it is headed, but oh well, I have no say in that. I can only vote with my wallet and my feet and that is exactly what I do.
Personally I can understand if a gal not liking A level; simple, she should not provide it. If a dude is hung like an elephant I can certainly understand not wanting to provide A level. I remember Pim at Tulip and her SOP was only guys with small peckers. No harm no foul. She was so skilled in other areas that it really did not matter. But to a) not like it and b) charge more for it at the same time is a bit disingenuous. I would rather see gals who don't like it just not do it. And if I am paying more for it then it better be pretty amazing. I have always liked the oily formula because it is a fixed price. In my close to a decade patronizing them I have never once left a tip beyond the 1500 baht fee. I have never felt that the service has been less because I do not tip. Then again, I am not demanding, would never try to push a girls limits and would never try to get them to do anything they were uncomfortable with.
And the case of Bamboo with her extra 100 baht room charge and 500 baht A level charge we are talking a surcharge of 30% over the other shops. Folks when you look at it on a percentage basis, that's a lot. But that is the way things go in Thailand. I have stopped patronizing many restaurants due to huge percentage price increases. I have seen many places crank up their prices 30% in one whack. The most amazing thing about "Thailand" is that people keep coming and even coming back to pay more and get less across the board. And the Thais are laughing all the way to the bank. Been to any southern beach areas lately? Honestly, you can have a beach holiday in the south of France or Spain for less these days.
I hate to sound cold about it and I am sure some of you will blast me for it, but after 15 years on the ground here, and hearing all the "stories" from numerous P4 P gals, it still comes down to this; it is their choice to be in the biz. It is their choice to feed their parasitic families. Many will tell you it is their only option to ply for your sympathies. As Paul said, it is an illusion, and this is part of the illusion. There are other choices. Sex work is still highly compensated and requires very little education and truth be told very little effort. It really is the easy way out, especially when a gal is young and cute. Of course as they age this is a different story, but then again choices choices. All of these gals have opportunities to meet and marry dudes who have the where with all to take care of them. Of course the dude might not want to take care of the parasitic family, but then again, choices choices. The smart oily gals either save and open up a biz at home, they open up their own oily, or all of the above.
The industry at the moment is employee not customer driven. Believe me, it used to be. If business flags, which I think it is at the moment, then we might see a change, the key word there is might. I kind of doubt it myself. As Henry Miller said to end Tropic of Cancer, "Its course is fixed. ".