Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=BMo814;2482198]Other than this point you just made, why don't I see more post on the twitter GPS with high visibility and some have lots of reviews on GP guia. For example at Isaloria. I know the internet can be hella tricky but most seem pretty cool, even a couple with lot of followers have responded to DM's, like tweets, respond to comments and all. Is it prices or have you or any other members had poor experience with bait in switch with Twitter GPS. I had a lot of success in Colombia with FB I plan on using twitter for my room service. Many of the high visibility Twitter gps Ive seen on clubmodel and splove as well so I been doing as much studying and flirting as I can on Twitter . Appreciate the feed back[/QUOTE]In general, gp-guia is strongest in the clinica reviews and weakest in the boate and escort reviews. This is all about incentive. The reviewers are incentivized to write reviews for clinicas in order to get discounts, and this does not mean the reviews have to be positive. There is no incentive to write a review of an escort. Also the local hard core mongers are the heavy contributors and these guys overwhelmingly consider the clinicas to be the best cost benefit option.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2482288]I found club model girls to be all about volume that is why they advertise on there. I do not use sites anymore because the photos are highly airbrushed.[/QUOTE]Well with respect to Rio Sex Site, I will say you're missing out then because what I saw was exactly what I got. So Rio Sex Site gets The Cane's stamp of approval! Can't say the same about the other one since I haven't used it.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2482347]Yes, I was saying that they "can be" more mercenary. There are several factors at work. As I mentioned they pay like 800 reais per week (I think) to advertise on that site and they need to recoup that before they profit. Plus they may be paying to rent a flat in Jardins or Moema, again more fixed costs. So they are under stress to make buck. And they probably spend more on clothes and plastic surgery in order to maintain their "elite" appearance. Also they are typically "veterans", possibly travelled, which naturally tends to add a "professional" hardness to anyone. I am not faulting them, its a natural trajectory. Also, I want to be clear, this does not apply to EVERYONE, there are exceptions, there are veterans that are amazingly genuine and sexually amazing. There are also some relative newbies on Clubmodel, not all are veterans. They are individuals, and I have had some great experiences, but I think I only did 2 from clubmodel in a year and they were great, but they were visually my number, and I had very long chats with them before pulling the trigger.

There are 2 aspects to this, relative to other Brazilians and relative to non-brazilian escorts. Relative to non-brazilian escorts even the worst, most mercenary brazilian will appear to an infrequent or first time foreign monger to be a dream come true, an amazing beauty, perhaps the best sex of your life. I often say my worst braziian experiences are better than most men's best experiences in the USA. But relative to other brazilians, its a different story, and the "criticism" above is really just in terms of relative to other brazilian P4 P situations. The discussions on this board usually have two audiences, the first time visitors and the repeat visitors. I don't want to trash the first time visitors for going after the eye candy and the veteran escorts that speak english. Go for it, it will hopefully be great. On the other hand, the repeat visitors want to know the trade offs, know the pros and cons of each option, escorts, clinicas, boates, tinder, etc.

As for the airbrushing, yeah, they are very photoshopped, or as the locals like to say 'fodashopped", and they may be years old. Again, its a weird "status" thing, they girls think that a professional photo shoot and silicone signify higher "status", and will attract wealthier clients, and maybe they are right, I don't know, maybe that stuff works on visiting businessmen. But discerning clients are not fooled and local guys more and more demand simple cell phone photos.[/QUOTE]We appreciate your insight my guy! You one of the most experienced and you got boots on the ground. I'll take a roll dice see how it's goes. If it's not what I thought it will be CLínicas and boates.

I have found that if you put in the work you will find most girls on escort sites have some sort of social media sites where they post pictures or short video clips. So, you can compare their "photoshopped" escort site images against their social media images which are closer to the real deal.

Some will even send you cell phone images (via WhatsApp) if you ask "to validate their look" (they will probably want pictures of you as well maybe to determine if they want to be with you as well).

I would never join their OnlyFans site to validate the look. You don't have time to waste be direct and ask them if their available I have found that they will be direct as well with a yes or no, not available due to travel, not in area, work certain days, retired etc. Only thing is that some do not want to spend too much time on WhatsApp chatting because so many inquire but never follow through with a TD. Remember they are only one, potential clients are many, they cannot be on the phone or emailing fielding inquires all the time. So, I do not initiate contact unless I am at least 90% sure I would follow-through with an encounter. The 10% is for them to validate what I already know visually and come to terms.

Now the Twitter / IG / FB only escorts generally post WhatsApp number on the page so generally they are legit it just may be a problem coming to terms especially when you're not currently in country. Once in country scheduling may take some time which overall may throw off your schedule on any given day especially if they are popular and in demand. Overall, I have had no problem with escorts via escort sites or social media sites.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2482408]I have found that if you put in the work you will find most girls on escort sites have some sort of social media sites where they post pictures or short video clips. So, you can compare their "photoshopped" escort site images against their social media images which are closer to the real deal.

Some will even send you cell phone images (via WhatsApp) if you ask "to validate their look" (they will probably want pictures of you as well maybe to determine if they want to be with you as well).

I would never join their OnlyFans site to validate the look. You don't have time to waste be direct and ask them if their available I have found that they will be direct as well with a yes or no, not available due to travel, not in area, work certain days, retired etc. Only thing is that some do not want to spend too much time on WhatsApp chatting because so many inquire but never follow through with a TD. Remember they are only one, potential clients are many, they cannot be on the phone or emailing fielding inquires all the time. So, I do not initiate contact unless I am at least 90% sure I would follow-through with an encounter. The 10% is for them to validate what I already know visually and come to terms.

Now the Twitter / IG / FB only escorts generally post WhatsApp number on the page so generally they are legit it just may be a problem coming to terms especially when you're not currently in country. Once in country scheduling may take some time which overall may throw off your schedule on any given day especially if they are popular and in demand. Overall, I have had no problem with escorts via escort sites or social media sites.[/QUOTE]I don't use websites because I rather just go to a boate or clinica and see what they look like in person. In the US, there isn't boates or clinicas to see the lineup so I pretty much have not seen any providers that are on websites. And at least in person I can interview them to see if it will be what I'm looking for.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2482347]Yes, I was saying that they "can be" more mercenary. There are several factors at work. As I mentioned they pay like 800 reais per week (I think) to advertise on that site and they need to recoup that before they profit. Plus they may be paying to rent a flat in Jardins or Moema, again more fixed costs. So they are under stress to make buck. And they probably spend more on clothes and plastic surgery in order to maintain their "elite" appearance. Also they are typically "veterans", possibly travelled, which naturally tends to add a "professional" hardness to anyone. I am not faulting them, its a natural trajectory. Also, I want to be clear, this does not apply to EVERYONE, there are exceptions, there are veterans that are amazingly genuine and sexually amazing. There are also some relative newbies on Clubmodel, not all are veterans. They are individuals, and I have had some great experiences, but I think I only did 2 from clubmodel in a year and they were great, but they were visually my number, and I had very long chats with them before pulling the trigger.[/QUOTE]I'm not an expert on "acompanhanomics" but this all makes sense. There is a lot of turnover in the clubmodel adverts. As you say, there is a high cost to a weekly ad.

Too many of the "newer" clubmodel escorts seem to have negative or neutral reviews. If it doesn't add up, there is always someone else with good buzz. Personally, I rather be with a 27 year old Brazilian escort that is a superstar then trying to take my chances on a relatively unknown 20 year old. Of course, this is much a matter of limited time in the city as well. I would rather go to the boates to hunt for a young hotty.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2478057]Yes, finally some positive feedback. Would you mind sharing what insurance company you used?

Maybe pull the trigger in October but hoping some clubs open like Bomboa and Scandallo so I can get the full experience.[/QUOTE]You can try [URL]imgglobal.com[/URL].

I bought it thru my agent with who we purchase our medical coverage from for the USA.

[QUOTE=RMundi000;2478056]How locked down was the city? Do you know if any of the bars / clubs / restaurants even open at all? I have a trip booked for Nov. That was suppose to be for the F1 race that got cancelled. Now I am not sure if it is worth the flight.[/QUOTE]It isn't too locked down and it was opening up while I was there. I am sure it has opened up even more. Restaurants are open with the new requirements. I didn't go to bars or clubs since I am not into that type of thing. If Scandello was open, I might have considered it.

I was pressed with the universal mask donning by the citizens. That makes it better to get out and about and try to get back to a sense of normalcy.

Friday evening I went to Shopping Ibirapuera to buy a Brazil sim card (Vivo shop 3rd floor above street level. They did install, cheap, reloadable and works well especially data) for the throw-away I use while traveling. Afterwards I was walking in Moema checking out some of the flagged club locations from the Sao Paulo monger map ([URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.612216187763146%2C-46.663922096575874&z=16[/URL]) and went into the Bahamas Club. Entry was a selection of 3 levels that offered a variety of options. I chose the 251 R option which was entry and 150 consumable. This was about 7:30 pm. There were 5 ladies lounging and chatting, none was of interest. I was served a beer from the drink menu (35 R for Amstel) by one of the all male wait staff who noted the number on my wrist band.

Several of the girls cruised by and said Hello. I thanked them in porto from my Google translator, noting how nice they looked, but not now. I'm one of two customers, and the lionesses were on the prowl and hungry. After an hour, I met a new arrival who introed herself in Porto, and when I said Hello, she responded in perfect English. We talked on the outside deck for more than an hour. She used gMaps on my phone to identify 4 restaurants that she said are some of the best in Sao and Rio. Didn't session, bought 1 drink and tipped her 100 R for her time. Pretty sure she expected more. On leaving, I was presented with a 305 R bill at reception. I asked to see the charges, and the cashier got huffy. Of course this is correct. She showed me and the items were correct, but mystery the amount didn't tally. Manager of the girls looked it over, and I was presented with a 62.30 R bill. I think getting drunk in one of these places would be a real bad idea.

[QUOTE=TreeTopFlyr;2483601]Friday evening I went to Shopping Ibirapuera to buy a Brazil sim card (Vivo shop 3rd floor above street level. They did install, cheap, reloadable and works well especially data) for the throw-away I use while traveling. Afterwards I was walking in Moema checking out some of the flagged club locations from the Sao Paulo monger map ([URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.612216187763146%2C-46.663922096575874&z=16[/URL]) and went into the Bahamas Club. Entry was a selection of 3 levels that offered a variety of options. I chose the 251 R option which was entry and 150 consumable. This was about 7:30 pm. There were 5 ladies lounging and chatting, none was of interest. I was served a beer from the drink menu (35 R for Amstel) by one of the all male wait staff who noted the number on my wrist band.

Several of the girls cruised by and said Hello. I thanked them in porto from my Google translator, noting how nice they looked, but not now. I'm one of two customers, and the lionesses were on the prowl and hungry. After an hour, I met a new arrival who introed herself in Porto, and when I said Hello, she responded in perfect English. We talked on the outside deck for more than an hour. She used gMaps on my phone to identify 4 restaurants that she said are some of the best in Sao and Rio. Didn't session, bought 1 drink and tipped her 100 R for her time. Pretty sure she expected more. On leaving, I was presented with a 305 R bill at reception. I asked to see the charges, and the cashier got huffy. Of course this is correct. She showed me and the items were correct, but mystery the amount didn't tally. Manager of the girls looked it over, and I was presented with a 62.30 R bill. I think getting drunk in one of these places would be a real bad idea.[/QUOTE]Scandallo is already open. You may want to check out this club. This is the best club in Sao Paulo. There has been no report on this club since its reopening on September 2020.

[QUOTE=TreeTopFlyr;2483601]........... On leaving, I was presented with a 305 R bill at reception. I asked to see the charges, and the cashier got huffy. Of course this is correct. She showed me and the items were correct, but mystery the amount didn't tally. Manager of the girls looked it over, and I was presented with a 62.30 R bill. .........[/QUOTE]That was the gringo charge.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483892]That was the gringo charge.[/QUOTE]LOL How could they have possibly known.

Been a while since last report.

Arrived in SP by car on Friday the 4th w a friend, rested well for a big day on Saturday.

Scandallo opened on wed that week and got that info from a girl whom also told me about the limited working hours. It was supposed to be from 12-10 pm but after a few days of this, they changed it to the regular hours which is 12 pm-5 am.

I could see why on Saturday because when we got there around 430 pm thinking they closed at 10 pm there were very very few patrons.

There were about 10 guys at that time and it never went over 20-25 guys in there but there was a good selection of about 50-70 girls. Would rate that night a 6. 5 out of 10 (10 being a Thursday night during formula one week a couple of years ago with over 500 girls).

Since the main room can't be used they renovated the restaurant area and it's double its previous size with a beautiful bar. The smaller outdoor area to the right is used as the main spot and later when there are more people they open the bigger open space in the back.

Left around 11 Pm satisfied.

Went back on Tuesday around 730 pm and they were charging 300 at the door with 150 to consume unlike Saturday where it was 150 all consumable. Already knew it was going to be better. Upon entry we were greeted by 100+ girls, maybe going to 130 during peak hours around 11 pm to maybe about 30-40 guys tops. Stayed till 4 am this night. Would rate 7. 5 this night and the girls were asking around 600-1000 all giving 200-300 in discounts. I'm guessing with this kind of ratio the uglier ones would go as low as 300 but I don't really talk to the uglier ones so can't confirm.

The last visit was on Saturday again that was much better than the first Saturday. Around 100 girls at 7 pm to 20-25 guys. Rating being a 7-7. 5.

Still the best place in SP imo if you have the pocket for it. Entrance was 300 with 150 in credit the second Saturday and the rooms are 230 per hour and they charge proportionally the time you go over. They don't warn you after 1 HR is up like they used to. Girl take out fee is 250 and if they didn't complete their required time at that point I think they pay a small fee also.

Beer is 40 reais, whisky or vodka is at about 70 and red bull I believe is 55. Decent food.

[QUOTE=PDawg23;2484036]Still the best place in SP imo if you have the pocket for it. Entrance was 300 with 150 in credit the second Saturday and the rooms are 230 per hour and they charge proportionally the time you go over. They don't warn you after 1 HR is up like they used to. Girl take out fee is 250 and if they didn't complete their required time at that point I think they pay a small fee also.

Beer is 40 reais, whisky or vodka is at about 70 and red bull I believe is 55. Decent food.[/QUOTE]Good intel. Seems like the number of girls is gradually getting back to pre-covid level. Looks like the entrance fee has been increased to 300. But the girls are more willing to give heavy discounts. Couple that with the weak Real, this might be the best time to visit scandello and pull some girls at a bargain price (well as far as scandello goes). Me personally, I wouldn't session on site though. 230 for their room is such a rip off. That's the price of an hour session at the clinicas in Moema. And there is definitely no need to pay for the take out fee! What I would do, is to go on a busy weekday night and get as many numbers as possible from girls who are willing to see me outside for R300-R400, which is the rate of some twitter girls in Moema & Jardin charge. With the current economic situation, I think there would be many girls who will be willing. The biggest obstacle is being able to get a hold of them on whatsapp and having them respond in a timely manner. If someone is only in SP for a week or two, then sessioning on site might be the better and only option.

Great report PDawg. I have just one question for the Brazil forum; I apologize ahead of time if I post it in the wrong thread. Here it is: Is Brazil open? IE Can Americans (Floridians. Ha ha) presently fly in tp SP without quarantine?

I am a SE Asian punter, but SE Asia is closed. It's been more than 15 years since I was last in SP, but I would head down to SP in heart beat if I could enter unencumbered so to speak.