General Info

Come on guys. Usa is not the center of the world. It is a tiny country to the left of us without FKK's. So no reason to read up on it anyway.

[QUOTE=AznNick;2058211]Dude you need to open your own forum LOL.[/QUOTE]He does have his own forum! That is why he has a wealth of information.

I used to frequent Inez's in Elko, Nevada which has a bunch of brothels and some do BBBJs. It's been many years since I visited but Inez's the&the used to be all Asian and had fixed prices ($200 for 40 minutes which includes table shower and sex) but that was years ago before I found that Germany is cheaper and better (when you do enough girls that is). I'm sure things have changed a bit since then but I did enjoy that part of Nevada back then!

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2058445]He does have his own forum! That is why he has a wealth of information.[/QUOTE]Does not mean it is right especially when acting childishly calling other members names. Not very adult like and not the characteristics one would expect of a moderator.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2058233]Reporting on whether a specific WG offers BBBJ seems to have already stopped altogether.

So I guess the ongoing debate is whether one should report that BBBJ is available at a specific club. But even that is more or less useless info. Because if names are not given, it is hard to piece together what percentage of the WGs at a certain club will offer it. Best to just make friends while physically in the club or exchange PMs.[/QUOTE]McAdonis, I suggest you go back and re-read the posts of the last 9 days where one will find several reports stating that BBBJ is available and in some cases by whom.

On the contrary, knowing that a club has some girls offering BBBJ is useful information that some do not seem to get or are too closed minded and become frustrated to point of calling others derogatory names to make them feel better.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2058453]Does not mean it is right especially when acting childishly calling other members names. Not very adult like and not the characteristics one would expect of a moderator.[/QUOTE]Normally I would agree. But in this incident it is very much called for.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2058376]Nevada is terrible. Stay away too expensive and they use CBJ at all locations.[/QUOTE]Not true. Taken home some girls from sapphire and spearmint rhino strip clubs for cheaper all night rates than I would get in Germany and BBBJ and DFK were a given. My dancers would also blow away any girl I saw on my last FKK trip too.

In the USA generally it is a misdemeanor for individual prostitution transactions between an provider and hobbyist. Whereas if an organized criminal enterprise occurs it would be a felony. Such examples would be a location which provides rooms, a driver who drives a provider to her appointments, a traditional pimp, someone who rents a hotel room in his name for the provider, etc. The criminal enterprises / houses of prostitution / encouraging prostitution laws need to have probable cause in order to have a case filed against. This is typically done by contacting the customers leaving and getting them to describe the services and price paid which is then used to prosecute the members of the criminal enterprise. Or an undercover agent could go in to apply for a job and get damaging admissions from the job interview. Or an undercover agent could go in and make a prostitution transaction deal and then leave before finishing the deal. For the misdemeanor prostitution stings typically a hotel room is rented and recorded video and audio where a sex for money prostitution deal is made and / or over the phone and texts and after the arrival the hobbyist is arrested.

So it would appear that nobody in Germany is used to prosecutions and therefore not familiar with screening and proper security measures such as making sure the person you are dealing with does not have a hidden microphone, etc. A place can't be shut down just by police "moving in". They would have to get probable cause a crime occurred which they would have to do in an undercover capacity and they would not want to alert the prostitution enterprise that it is being investigated because it would make them safer about what they say which is illegal.

Then what the end result of this CBJ law is for Germany is going to be that pimps from various places can now traffic providers into Germany and rent a hotel room and probable get minimum of 100 euros for BBBJ with finish in mouth. The prior rate was 75 euros for this but now that it is illegal they can probably get more money. However to provide this higher level of service they would need to continuously change hotel rooms every couple nights and post an ad on probably sexdo or some other internet site such as backpage. Then they would do a "law enforcement check" pat down to make sure the customer was not a member of law enforcement which carries hidden microphones and as well stings could be done against hobbyists vice versa. Everyone would have to meet in hotels or pick up on the street corners and check each other prior to the transaction occurring.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2058417]When you say Nevada, I presume you mean the legal brothels.

They are indeed terrible and represent likely less than 1 percent of the commercial sex transactions in the USA. So comparing the antiquated Nevada legal brothels to anything is not particularly useful. But that is probably an inevitable temptation for those who frequent the German FKKs that are legal. Doing this "illegally" is just not that complicated, which is why most of the USA appears to have long ago switched to the escort scene via the Internet.

The Las Vegas independent escorts are excellent and BBBJ is customary for the higher-end escorts, but the prices for the best ones are astronomical compared to Europe. The lower-priced casino girls mostly do CBJs and provide lousy service.

It is good to know that the Dallas massage parlor scene is alive and well, based on the reply from KC Questor, unlike the once famous San Francisco massage parlor scene. I have never really liked massage parlors since the ladies are expert at making it one pop, no matter what time period you buy, unlike escorts who usually try for two in an hour..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AznNick;2058159]Many girls from most of the clubs can't read english, that goes both for german and east European girls, this you already should know as an FKK monger. When you say "the girls" surely your not meaning them all, but yes there might be girls out of 1000 girls Can read here.

Flamers are ignored, keep the tone and ill reply.[/QUOTE]Many Sharks girls read this forum, some at LR or GT also read and can tell me all what I write. I even write for some or because I know they will be repeated.

Yes, some girls keep on providing like before, but some, even among top performers, are afraid about new law, because they don t really understand risks for them and they don t want to lose their money business. They couldn't make such money in Romania with minimum salary 250 or deep Hungary with minimum salary 200.

BBBJ and bareback sex are prosecuted for guys asking or putting pressure on girls, but girls behave from our behavior. Most ask me what I like and they just want to give pleasure to make You repeat, when less and less clients.

Vip GT even with pizzas back at 10.30 pm, was quite empty at 10 pm on Saturday evening. No wait for room at 6/7 pm on Saturday, same at 7 pm on Sunday. Even didn't visit, but was said LR was not crowded on Saturday.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2058445]He does have his own forum! That is why he has a wealth of information.[/QUOTE]Are you sure he is really forum owner? Or just working for? Better to be sure about what we say, so many bullshit and lies in this bad World.

But I agree with him, for this point, not to name girls providing, each one own game to experience good time with girls. Fair, not to make problems to girls about law, when many are afraid.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2058376]Nevada is terrible. Stay away too expensive and they use CBJ at all locations. Even independent girls it is customary. Seattle / Tacoma Washington it is customary for the BBBJ.

The key is to switch to independent providers. Since this new law, I think the club concept is outdated especially for clubs and apartments which insist on CBJ in Germany. Essentially the era of FKK is over and the way now is to disband all FKKs clubs and put the girls independent to allow them to keep offering BBBJ without repercussion. Germany seems to be too stuck in the FKK system which has served it well for decades but now it is time to move on to totally independent each girl advertising and providing in her own hotel room or apartment from now on. Each girl will live or die by her own reviews and reviews must be more organized with specific links, pics, and contact information of each girl.[/QUOTE]Many girls in FKK will already meet you outside the club after building up some trust, this is a fact, and for sure if they scared of BBBJ because of club rules they will do it in privacy outside.

[QUOTE=AznNick;2058548]Members getting personal, who you? Ill refer to post 11243. Logic in your pov, but not in our pov, and therefor your questiong intellience and having childish tone. Can you post a disagreement with a respective tone, is it possible without sarcasm and names?[/QUOTE]Perhaps you could lead by example?

[QUOTE=Ortos;2058556]Perhaps you could lead by example?[/QUOTE]Be glad too, But some people just want the answer in the same way.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2058468]Normally I would agree. But in this incident it is very much called for.[/QUOTE]So Pistons, you think that insulting and childish language are normally not required, but called for when you disagree with the other opinion?

Good to know.

I'm jealous of all you guys who live in Germany!! It's heaven in Germany. I'll be back next year!