American Politics

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2778513]Another goofy post which addressed none of the points at hand. Let's try just one: why did the democrats, media and FBI (better known as, yes, the Washington deep state) make such a fuss over the Gaetz nothingburger which came to zero, while completely ignoring the high-level media / hollywood / democrat figures on the guest list of the island of Jeffrey Epstein, an acknowledged pe-do?

Or is calling Epstein a pe-do a "conspiracy theory"?

"Alphabet agencies" is a well-known term to describe the plethora of Washington intelligence and (selective: see above) law enforcement agencies such as the FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS, etc. Glad to educate you, not for the first time..[/QUOTE]How can anybody address your "points"? They are all, except for Gaetz' family wealth, without substance. Every assertion that you made in your fact-free post was unsupported. Every assertion was only an opinion. See this writeup [URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-anti-vaxxers-pounced-on-damar-hamlins-collapse[/URL] "Part of the trick is to cast conspiracy theorists and people who believe them as victims of shadowy forces. The source wants to show you the proof, but can't, because his employers are in on it. The government and mainstream media "knows" the conspiracy is real, but they prevent you from finding out by punishing anyone who merely asks about it. " And that's you to a "T".

Have other people lied? Sure? Have they done it to the extent of Santos? Nope. In fact, anybody who fudged their resume as much as Santos did would have been fired in a heartbeat. In fact you (I believe) have portrayed yourself as a business owner. Maybe it wasn't you but certainly other members of the Moron Brigade have portrayed themselves as such. Would you, or any other business owner, have kept on an employee who lied about: where they went to High School, where they went to college, where they previously worked, how much property they owned, what their heritage is, that their employees died in the Pulse shootings? No, you wouldn't have. And if you say you would have, you are as full of shit as Santos. [URL]https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/01/the-everything-guide-to-george-santoss-lies.html[/URL].

Your globohomo, anti-woke, anti-LGBTQ, America for white Americans only bullshit was old before you spouted it. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But don't expect anyone with a brain to be on your side.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2778518]You're forgetting his actions to reduce illegal immigration. This is actually more important than anything else. White Americans (other than fat single feminist catladies) won't vote for the democrats' anti-American, anti-white policies, but third world immigrants vote massively in favor of them. It's a simple matter of arithmetic. The reason California went from solidly Republican in the Nixon / Reagan days to solidly blue today doesn't have anything to do with the quality of arguments made by the likes of Gavin "The Joker" Newsom, but because the state went from 90% white 50 years ago to 40% white today.

If they manage to replace us like that in the whole country, it's over. Corrupt, one party rule forever, with increasing repression and persecution of white people, a la South Africa. Hell, they're already talking about giving a quarter million to every black person in California because of something that was abolished over 160 years ago. Who's going to pay for that?

As for Tucker Carlson, he is very useful in terms of showing what the democrat / globohomo establishment are trying to do to children in public schools: brainwashing them with homosexual and tranny propaganda at a very early age; attempting to persuade them that they are trannies and need to be sterilised and mutilated. He's spoken several times to the person behind the excellent LibsofTikTok twitter account, which simply reposts what liberals themselves are saying and doing. They are both doing God's work.[/QUOTE]California is 40% white? Not according to the US Census which puts the figure at 71.1% [URL]https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/CA[/URL].

Of course, you picked the lowest possible figure of 40% because those folks are the "white Americans" that you are always crowing about. The 71.1% figure includes the Hispanics (who think of themselves as white) that you despise so much.

Ahhhh, yes, if "they" manage to replace us? Who is "they" exactly? All of those people who are uneducated and rapists and drug dealers but are coming for your job? Are you a ditchdigger? Or a busboy? If so, then yes, immigrants might be coming for your dead-end job. Otherwise, no uneducated immigrant will become a doctor or an EE or any other job that you are sooooo worried about them taking.

As for Tucker "even his attorneys argued that nobody in their right mind should believe a word he says because he is full of shit" Carlson, the larger question is: why do [B]you[/B] believe him? His attorneys said that nobody in their right mind should believe him. But you do. I wonder why that is.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2778563]Historically, a majority of Cuban Americans and Vietnamese Americans have voted for Republicans. Most of the people coming across the southern border today are from Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, that is, from socialist countries. They've had to put up with the economic lunacy of people like Chavez, Castro and Ortega. And they probably see some similarities between the preferred policies of those leaders and those of Bernie Sanders and other progressives. Not to mention some progressive Democrats have served as apologists for totalitarian socialists. So I suspect this current crop of immigrants may be different, more likely to vote for Republicans.

My big concern is that that there are a lot of hot Cuban and Venezuelan strippers, and it would be a shame if they were deported.[/QUOTE]The Florida Cubans are an exception. They were among the smartest, highest IQ and most creative people in Cuba, who fled a genuine communist tyranny run by a violent, maniacal, capricious, all-powerful dictator as a personality cult, because they realized there was no way for them to maximize their talents under that regime. They also took genuine risk by coming across the ocean on rickety rafts.

The Latin Americans pouring across the Biden's open border today, by contrast, are the dregs of their societies. There is no comparison between Chavez's Venezuela, where much of the media was against Chavez and many wealthy people openly opposed him and a capitalist system still operated, and Castro's Cuba, where the entire media was in lockstep, anyone who spoke out against him disappeared, and the only serious wealth was in the hands of the dictator and his apparatchiks.

Most people in mainland Latin America are doing fine and have no wish to emigrate. The illegals are the useless, low IQ doofuses who lack the wherewithal to make anything of themselves at home, who see the vast Uncle Sam welfare teat and potential to do unskilled labor off the books for ten times what they can get in their own countries. They don't even take much risk as there are various Soros-funded NGOs supporting them on their journey.

As for the Vietnamese, again, they are a high IQ people so most of them don't need the welfare programs and racial grievance industry offered by the democrats and fake media. That said, it's still around 50/50.

The best immigration policy is the one America had for the middle half of the last century (not coincidentally, the time it was at its greatest): almost zero.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2778594]The point of my post, however, if I must spell it out for you (and it seems like I must, unfortunately) was that people who come from rich families still care about money a great deal.
[/QUOTE]And I'll ask again, as you typically avoided the question last time: do you think Donald Trump is richer now than he would have been if he had never entered politics in 2015 and had instead continued to focus on his TV show, his businesses, and his many positive media appearances?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2778685]Pence's former top aide said......Former White House Press Secretary Told Jan. 6 Committee.....the report said..... [/QUOTE]Ah, the media says that some Washington swamp creatures told them something about Trump. Must be true then.

To get back to reality, how about you have a go at why the democrats / media / alphabet agencies went so hard after the Gaetz nothingburger, yet haven't looked into the guest list on the island of Jeffrey Epstein, an acknowledged pe-do?

Why was the trial of his procurer, Ghislaine Maxwell, barely covered? Compare the intricate media reporting on every detail of, say, the Johnny Depp v Amber Heard trial with the absence of information about Maxwell. Why is the only high-profile figure who has gone down over this Prince Andrew of Great Britain? No investigations into any American guests of Epstein? Why, oh why?

Kinda like asking why leftists who spent a year violently burning, looting and attacking police and federal buildings in cities across the country, causing billions of dollars of damage and tens of deaths, are allowed to skate, while the alphabet agencies do the biggest investigation in history to track down and raid thousands of grandmas who walked through open doors into the People's House on Jan 6, took some photos and went home.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2778697]I didn't know that about Blumenthal.

You left out our Plagiarizer and Chief, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

This is the first thing that pops up when you Google "Plagiarism Joe Biden", from the University of California Santa Barbara web site, and it's a Trump campaign press release.

[URL]https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-release-copy-that-joe-bidens-long-record-plagiarism[/URL]

But glancing over it, I knew I made the right decision when I voted for Jo Jorgensen for president. Biden's downright nutty, to try to get away with all that. He even made up some fiction about having ancestors who "worked the coal mines of Northeast Pennsylvania and would come up after 12 hours and play football for four hours. " He pulled that from Neil Kinnock, a British politician. Biden never even had ancestors who worked in coal mines.

Biden may be worse than Santos. And he's president of the United States of America and the leader of the free world. Santos is a nobody.

Yes, despite what the main stream media would have you believe, there's no shortage of kooks and liars among the politicians who call themselves Democrats.

This is well documented, about Biden. Our Democrat friends should Google it if they don't believe me.[/QUOTE]Good post.

The fact that you, clearly an intelligent and knowledgeable person, didn't even know about Blumenthal's lies and stolen valor over Vietnam is an indictment of the truly egregious bias of the mainstream fake news media.

If a right-wing figure had lied as he did, it would be brought up every time they were mentioned in the news. Children would think their name was "Vietnam Liar Senator Bla McBlaface".

In fact, the New York Times and others have acknowledged Blumenthal lied. Once. Tucked away at the bottom of page 78, and then never mentioned again.

That way, when challenged about their bias, they can claim "no, look. We reported it!" But of course it was "reported" once in an obscure manner and then forgotten, meaning that the majority of even well-informed people are probably not aware of it.

Ditto for Biden. The fake news will say that they reported Biden's lies when he spewed them. And then never mention them again. Lies of obfuscation and omission.

Of course, they are getting even worse these days, with the censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story which would have swung the election to Trump even with the vast amount of pro-Biden mail-in fraud that allowed them to steal it.

The Hunter Biden laptop story is a perfect microcosm of the parts of the Washington deep state working in conjunction. Mainstream and social media completely blacklist the story, to the extent that Twitter and Facebook actually blocked links of it from being posted, and Youtube prevented videos about it showing up in people's feeds. Meanwhile, the so-called intelligence alphabet agencies put out a fake statement about "Russian disinformation". And finally, the democrats and establishment RINOs refuse to hold the above to account in getting to the truth.

Later, after the election, it dribbles out that in fact the laptop was entirely genuine, but hey, whatever. Look over there, goyim!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2778724]How can anybody address your blablabla[/QUOTE]More turgid wordsludge from PVMonger. Some things never change.

Is the Hunter Biden laptop a "conspiracy theory"? Even worse, was the coverup of the Hunter Biden laptop, in which alphabet agencies made noises about "RUSSIA!" and we now know, thanks to Elon Musk, that Big Tech worked with govt operatives to prevent the information from being transmitted, all a "conspiracy theory"?

Nope. It was fact. All happened.

Our side actually wants to get information out for people to see it. That's why LibsofTikTok is so popular with normal people, yet so unhingedly hated by the left: all she does is repost leftists saying openly what they plan to do (usually with regard to sexualising and / or mutilating children, which is a troubling obsession of theirs).

The censorship, as we are seeing from the Twitter Files, all comes from the left. Why do you think it is that your side is the one that wants to silence people and restrict information?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2778815]More turgid wordsludge from PVMonger. Some things never change.

Is the Hunter Biden laptop a "conspiracy theory"? Even worse, was the coverup of the Hunter Biden laptop, in which alphabet agencies made noises about "RUSSIA!" and we now know, thanks to Elon Musk, that Big Tech worked with govt operatives to prevent the information from being transmitted, all a "conspiracy theory"?

Nope. It was fact. All happened.

Our side actually wants to get information out for people to see it. That's why LibsofTikTok is so popular with normal people, yet so unhingedly hated by the left: all she does is repost leftists saying openly what they plan to do (usually with regard to sexualising and / or mutilating children, which is a troubling obsession of theirs).

The censorship, as we are seeing from the Twitter Files, all comes from the left. Why do you think it is that your side is the one that wants to silence people and restrict information?[/QUOTE]I have no love for Hunter Biden. If he's guilty of something, charge him and move on. Don't try to compare anything he's done with what Trump and his cabal have done.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2778820]I have no love for Hunter Biden. If he's guilty of something, charge him and move on. Don't try to compare anything he's done with what Trump and his cabal have done.[/QUOTE]Low information reply.

First, the point was not merely the Hunter laptop, but the manner in which the fake news media, social media, and government agencies colluded in breach of the 1st Amendment to censor and silence the true story.

Second, it isn't about Hunter. He is just a druggie doofus. It is about how he was used as a bagman by his corrupt father to enrich himself by peddling influence. Ever wonder how Biden got so rich after a life as a government employee? "Ten percent for the Big Guy"! There is literally footage of Biden as VP boasting about threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they fired a prosecutor investigating Hunter's corruption. And sure enough, they fired the guy!

If Trump and his family had done anything remotely as criminally egregious as the Bidens, they would all be in prison cells now.

Unfortunately, as we have seen with the failure to prosecute the violent far-left antifa / BLM terrorists who spent a year burning cities, attacking federal buildings (including the White House with the President inside), courthouses and police and causing billions of dollars in damage, contrasted with the unhinged Washington witchhunt to round up and jail every last grandma who wandered through open doors into the Capitol on Jan 6 (with the notable exception of Ray Epps), the "Justice" Department has become grossly politicised as in a banana republic and is no longer fit for purpose.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2778616]people like Chris need to win these immigrants over to a conservative worldview. It's done all the time. [/QUOTE]It's done all the time? Really? Which immigrant group is majority conservative other than the Florida Cubans, whom I've addressed previously?

You can't convert low IQ people to a conservative worldview because they can't compete in a capitalist market. Hence they want government welfare handouts, affirmative action, racial grievance etc: the core democrat program.

Most of the illegals pouring over Biden's open border are from third world countries with an average IQ well below 90; and they are the dumbest idiots who can't get a job in those third world countries so they are below average even there. The vast majority will be no good for anything but welfare or menial labor, and the effect of millions of them will simply continue dragging America down to the third world.

[URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2778797]do you think Donald Trump is richer now than he would have been if he had never entered politics in 2015 and had instead continued to focus on his TV show, his businesses, and his many positive media appearances?[/QUOTE]Well, we have his tax returns from the time he started his campaign up through his last full year in office. Here's his income or loss by year. Losses are in parentheses.

2015: (31,700,000)
2016: (32,200,000)
2017: (12,800,000)
2018: 24,400,000
2019: 4,440,000
2020: (4,690,000)

Net loss for 2015 to 2020: (52,550,000)

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/21/trump-income-tax-returns-detailed-in-new-report-.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2778833]Most of the illegals pouring over Biden's open border are from third world countries with an average IQ well below 90; and they are the dumbest idiots who can't get a job in those third world countries so they are below average even there. The vast majority will be no good for anything but welfare or menial labor, and the effect of millions of them will simply continue dragging America down to the third world.

[URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't think illegal immigrants are necessarily stupid. But it seems to me that it would make a lot more sense to give priority to people with skills who will contribute the most to America, like nurses, engineers, doctors, mechanics and the like. That's what places like Canada and Australia do. They have a points system. If you get enough points, by virtue of skills, education, age, knowledge of English, etc., you get in. Instead, yes, we have too many unskilled people who enter illegally. And too many unskilled family members of immigrants who became citizens.

Please note that table dancing is a highly skilled profession. Latina strippers should be given priority. And also anyone who promises to vote for Republicans and Libertarians.

A guest worker program, that would not lead to citizenship or a right to reside permanently in the USA, might be a good idea for unskilled foreigners. Right now there are a lot of jobs here that Americans just don't want to do. Although that will change after the Biden Recession.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2778857]Well, we have his tax returns from the time he started his campaign up through his last full year in office. Here's his income or loss by year. Losses are in parentheses.

2015: (31,700,000)
2016: (32,200,000)
2017: (12,800,000)
2018: 24,400,000
2019: 4,440,000
2020: (4,690,000)

Net loss for 2015 to 2020: (52,550,000)

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/21/trump-income-tax-returns-detailed-in-new-report-.html[/URL][/QUOTE]And that one big income year of 2018 was mostly due to his sale of the last of his daddy's properties he inherited:

[B]Tax returns show Trump made millions from fathers legacy while his own properties flopped[/B]

[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-returns-show-trump-made-224054562.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]The entirety of his income from real estate sales in 2018 actually came from properties passed down to Mr Trump through his father, Fred Trump. The bulk of it came from one sale, the May 2018 sale of a nearly 6,000-unit housing complex in Brooklyn known as Starrett City. It netted $905m on the market, of which Mr Trump reported roughly $14.8m in profits.[/QUOTE]After he sold the last of his daddy's properties and some of his own failed properties, even as dumb as he is he knew the jig was up for him being tagged one of the worst businessmen of all time, should anyone take a gander at his tax returns.

That must have been around the time he decided to set the foundation for him leading an America-hating, Cop-killing Insurrection if he gets his ass kicked in 2020, which he did, and whip up his Big Lie about the election being stolen from him, a ploy he likely felt confident would easily con Repub hillbillies he had been "disgusted" by at his MAGA rallies into sending him large chunks of their entitlement checks.

The dude needed money. Badly.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2778616]Rather than whining and playing the tired and spurious white victimization card, people like Chris need to win these immigrants over to a conservative worldview. It's done all the time. This fatalism also ignores the reality of all the lazy, low IQ, criminal white losers in our country, much of those dipshits that invaded the Capital a case in point. Many also traveled there via government handouts, Covid small business relief swindles.[/QUOTE]Tiny's right. No other misplaced Repub policy is as idiotic as their crusade against immigration. To Cubans and Nicaraguans I can add Russians, Ukrainians, and pretty much all other post-Soviet ethnic groups, plus Vietnamese, Chinese, and many others who come to the States to escape from communist or leftist regimes. For better or worse (worse!) the majority of these people are predisposed to conservativism, since they are trying to move as far from the left as humanly possible.

Funnily, a lot of Mexicans and other Latin America immigrants are natural conservatives as well, but that probably has more to do with their Catholic values than politics.

This dumb belief that every immigrant must be a catch for the Democratic party (probably because they're poor when they get here, LOL) is truly remarkable.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2778859] Right now there are a lot of jobs here that Americans just don't want to do.[/QUOTE]It's been that way for ages and will only get worse as our entitled younger generations can't get their noses out of their smartphones long enough to flip a burger, mow a lawn, pick fruit, or install a roof on a hot day. Yes we have long needed unskilled labor from abroad and need more. Your idea about only allowing in doctors and nurses and the like is preposterous. Get out of your computer chair and typing essays here long enough to get out and have a look around and maybe you'll begin to get it. Wink.

P.S. It's equally silly to blame Biden for multi-causal economic woes that are consistent and worldwide. That notion has already been refuted here many times, but that seldom stops one from repeating the same talking points ad nauseam. That's probably the most popular logical fallacy employed in internet debates and politics generally, though in this hooker forum the entire list is employed, and daily. LOL.

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