FKK Palace - Frankfurt

There have been a couple of comments on Samira. She is new to the Palace and has made up her own rules of engagement. No this, no that. She is also very attractive. And she is one of the few girls who will sit beside you and talk in a pleasant manner without actually hassling you. Thus it is easy to fall for her; and that's ok if you want a good massage and friendly conversation. But she won't do bbbjs, kissing, or even lie back like a good girl and count the cracks in the ceiling. Her preference in the bedroom is for covered bjs, or she will ride you while firmly holding on to your dick with her hand. You have been warned.

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic]Well man I go for the model look! Daniellas body is close to perfection for me! Very close! She could have had a few more cm but she is really what I ask for in my dreams. Face is a 9 with lovely green eyes. SO I rate her 9,5 in beauty! Pussy looked fine to me even from close distance ;)

Performance was very good, but like you wrote, BBBJ was not top notch! She gave good energy like a romanian latina girl should. But she also had a slight professional attitude probably because she knows her market value very well. Like she insisted on champagne from you, because she knows she can get it. I was also a bit stressed because of my flight 90 minutes later and she was the fourth girl this day! I wish I would have done Daniella to start with and for a full hour!

Maybe next time! :)

Cheers,

Felix

P.s Thanks for the tip on katherina! :) What does she look like?[/QUOTE]Felix,

We are actually agreed. I think we just misinterpret sometimes.

Daniella was my number one favourite. I ave no complaints at all.

I glad to see you have uprated her beauty.

Daniella did a perfectly fine BBBJ (9 out of 10).

I only mean't there do exist girls with a 10 BBBJ.

but not many. Anastasia, I hear and Linda.

I actually didn't buy champagne despite the suggestion.

She wasn't pushy.

I liked the way Daniella is really into it (everything I wanted to do) and doesn't complain about quite extended fucking. She is very into being licked out DATY. Highly orgasmic which apeals to my warped brain.

If the girl is really into it without acting it makes a big difference to me.

Katerine (not sure of spelling) from Russia is a little taller than Daniella, a little more voluptuous and has the most exquisite pussy you ever saw. Very soft feel to the pussy, not too tight (I actually don't like extremely tight or short pussies where its difficult to get it all in). Blonde hair tied back in ponytail. Shes a showoff because she knows how good she looked. Was into kissing but not the first time I met her. She likes putting on a show for you.

So Katerina is my 2nd favourite.

Hope to hear about your other favorites Felix.

It looks like we are on similar wavelengths.

Hi friends,

Only to say, I tried for the first time a FKK... and now? Only want to come back and loose enthusiasm for my hobby for example in... italy :-). Where you can go only to one girl without seeign and being most of all ripping off. Hope to come back soon and to try even more FKK.

this being my first night in europe, i slept in, the all day rain didn't inspire me to stir until 2 pm, whereupon i went to the schmuck store across the street to buy a euro phone charger for my new razr phone. then i went back to bed. fred called around 3 and said he was going to palace.

i managed to drag my sorry ass up to palace via the u4 u7 and entered around 7pm. there were many more girls than men at that time, and the girls were in a word hot hot hot. never have i seen so impressive a lineup, even minus marina. lots ofcutie [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] types. i soon ran into fred emerging from a room with the polish girl katia. i hibernated in the loser's lounge for a while fending off advances but soon i succumbed to the charms of katia myself. a fine session but nothing earth shattering.

afterwards, i saw julia from romania with her new fake boobage, they look fine. elise was there, as was my old flame daniella, who bumped into katia and i as we went for payday. somehow, a reunion wasn't in the cards, but i am told she will be at world party later today. after a while, a little cutie sat on my lap, julia from russia, and because she looks like an old object of lust from younger days, i went for it, but i bade her wait until i put some food in my stomach. she argued but then agreed. at 10 pm i was first on line for the food and i ate and she went with another guy. about an hour later, she appeared and we went off for a 30 minute romp with about 10 minutes of free makeout time during the wait for a zimmer. julia is quite the kisser and ball licker.

as i watched fred bed girl after girl, i was feeling really inadequate. at around 2 am, fred was ready to go to bed but i was still looking for mrs goodmuschie. a tall model type with large pert c cups and the ass of a 12 year old boy (as fox would say, read tiny) was piquing my interest. as fred and i talked by the dancing pole, lo and behold she came over. catherine is from russia and is a wild trash talker, and after she fondled fred and i simultaneously, i soon found inspiration (hard on) and took her to find a room. she was trying to upsell all the way, i must have a full program triple input come in mouth etc. i said i just want vanilla 50 euro sex and she said that will be 100 if we have to wait for a room. danger danger. against my btter judgement, we did it in the tv room with three other couples. after about 10 minutes we were alone. at first she wouldn't let me kiss her muschi and went straight to the bj. but i a m proud to say i tamed this girl.

after 10 minutes she said we have five minutes. i said your kidding right? she realized i was no newbie. then we fucked in three positions until i was exhausted. she laughed and laid next to me in 69 , i went for the muschi lick again and she agagin demurred but then let me have a taste, that was enough for her, she liked it and said wait a minute, this is goooood, and she opened up and let me wail. soon she was bucking and after 10 minutes of that, she finished. now it was about 25 minutes and we were both spent but she wanted a massage. i told her i would masage her all night but she's only getting 50. ok baby. then we talked and talked as i kneaded her baby buns and her back and neck as she cooed and at the 40 minute mark we went to the lockers and she asked for my handi nummer so she can come to ny. and that's how i tamed the beatiful trash- talking processor.

in short, a great very memorable lineup and only five minutes to get home to excelsior. i think i know where i'm going sunday.

good night.

beffen

They will soon be calling you Mr. tongue!

palace sunday was an easy going affair with dedalus and fred and i ensconsed in the excelsior/monopol complex. of course i slept in and by around 5 pm we were at the palace being delivered in the dedsled. the club was lazy and laid back but showed potential. so far this trip, the friday lineup at palace was the most impressive and this seemed to be just a slightly watered down version of that night. i started with a russian, the details of which i have forgotten. later, fred reminded me that the slim lovely and friendly russian girl chatting us up near the bar and now calling herself oksana was one i raved about in may when she was diana at world. i completely was clueless but was tempted to renew the acquaintance until dedalus told me of the toothy and cool reception he got from her as his first of the day. german tiffany , the leggy tattooed superkisser looks great now as a blonde. hmmm. sasha of ukraine, fred's most vitriolic ripoff girl, even tried to flirt with him again. routard and his friend arrived from oase, and reported that it was dull and uninspiring there.

i again admired romanian julia’s new jubblies, they contrast quite well with the more pendulous pair of her frequent threesome mate carla. i thought back to the sight of the two of them buns up spread open, orally double teaming a lucky guy in the tv raum as i muched on the cookie of the crazy russian barbnie doll krystina. the towering romanian twosome of daniella and elise were also back from their money making trip to fkk world. desert fox was expected this night to commune with his former ex-wife but i imagine he waited one night to avoid the prying eyes of gossip column reporters from the usa.

again i did not session with daniella, who looked especially slim and attractive. dedalus was a good husband though, and got her a slice of her preferred cake from the excellent buffet and stood guard over it dutifully until she completed two or three more rooms. again, she was too busy for me, i guess i am just too high maintenance. the kino was very quiet, populated mainly by sleeping mongers and a pair of nattering domenicanas who interviewed each entrant as to their desire for company. at one point, as ded and i sat on the couch under the only open window, the seat near the dancing pole, beffen's headquarters, we were approached by a firm large cupped hard body who looked like nina of de wallen facially. she sat between us and soon she got me going with her kisses and caresses under my robe. it was an ok session, this polish milf, ? name? had great pride in her admittedly prodigious oral skills, but took mild affront to my not conforming to the “normal” by not finishing in 20 minutes. oh, i wish marina were here. i quit.

oh well, the second serving of food is here and it is time to stuff face. i spent the rest of the evening ogling [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] like paola, julia, and carla, and others, and watching fred consume his last night’s consignment of booty like a camel storing up water for a long desert journey. by 2:30 am, i had had enough and since i needed to wake by 9 am to catch the train to giessen to meet routard for the ride to golden time, i called it a night and grabbed a cab, leaving fred and ded to close the place. i guess i am getting old. the cabby made an extra circle around the block to inflate his 10 euro fare by euro 1.50 and then gave me his card for the future when i told him i was a frequent visitor. fat chance ripoff. no tip for you!

Hello fellow mongers. I will be at Palace from 11am till about 7PM this friday (June 9) . PM me if you will be there. We can say hi and gossip about the girls.

Deep

Well fellow mongers, I have to report my most recent visit to "heaven" was more like "hell". As you may know I have been a big supporter of this FKK on the boards here for quite a while. Last night was unfortunately not very much fun. Maybe part of it was that I was not feeling 100 percent but it started off with me entering the large room and sitting at the upper bar. The two ladies on the other side of the bar smiled at me, and one eventually asked if I wanted to sit between them. I had just gotten there so I said that I was too lazy right now (and I had yet the opportunity to check out the lineup tonight) but to be somewhat friendly, I told the one girl she was welcome to sit next to me. She was from dusseldorf, thin, short blonde hair, that was tied in a pony tail in the back. She had some scarring on her face but not too bad for a woman in her 30's. She immediately became very touchy, kissed me, and then reached in my pants and stroked the johnson to full attention. Then she became very pushy to go in to the TV room. I said I wanted to relax a bit and the conversation got uglier. She demanded that I go to the room and that actually my 30 minutes had started when I kissed her?????!!!!! Go figure that. I obviously told her that I iwas turned off and I wouldn't be partaking of her services. She said she was going to the office. than the mam-san came out and asked me to settle for 25 euro for her sake (and not the *****'s sake).. so I capitulated, like a gentleman that I am, and that was it. To say the least, I was upset for the rest of the night and ti affected my pleasure and performance, which pissed me off even further.

I ask the mongers out there.. what was correct in this incident? The mamsan said that once there is contact there is an "expectation" that the girl will get money.? Interested in all opinions.

Moving on, I had two more girls but, you know, it just seemed like all the girls are in a hurry now to get my rocks off with no foreplay in the back room. I tried to slow things down with both girls but they wanted to get it done. I said the fee was for 30 minutes but that never sunk in. Things have changed in this club.. There is a serious imbalance of too many men and not enough women. THEY KNOW IT so obviously they are in it for the VOLUME and now the QUALITY IS DETERIORATING. This is a shame because they are truly beauties, but, what is the use? I would rather jerk off than to get in to a room and have a woman milk me like a cow!!!

So my opinion of this place has changed for the worse.

I am looking for some recommendations on other FKK's in the area near the airport, where is where I ususually stay.

Thanks to all feedback.

Oceanview I totally agree.

I had a similar experience with Czech Linda (big tits) in 2005. I was asleep on a couch, and she came over and woke me up and started kissing me. Then when i told her I didnt want the session then, she went balistic, so I payed her the €50 and then fucked her later that night, and it was an ok session.

Last 2 times there, nearly all my sessions were too rushed at night but good in the day time. Downside is that the day girls are not as good looking.

I think Palace is way too commerical now, and thats why I now venture off the beaten track to places like Wuppertal and Dorsten (both near Dusseldorf) where the value is much better.

oceanview,

first thanks for taking the time to write your (bad) experience and to sollicit comments from others.

based on your description, it sounds like you were definitely taken advantage of, but before we can make a definitive analysis, you must clarify one point: who actually initiated the foreplay and kissing? was it you or the girl? if it was the girl, then you should have stuck to your guns and explained this to the lady from the front desk. i am reading between the lines here a bit, but a couple of points come clear to me:

--you were involved with a german girl, who tried to manapulate you into a session.

--she surmised that you were not fkk-savoy, perhaps because you did not speak german. (i believe the type of manipulation you experienced would have been much less likely to have occurred had you been a german-speaker).

--during the initial kissing and foreplay at the bar, if indeed the girl initiated it, you should have made clear to her that this activity is of her own initiation and that you were not prepared at this moment to go to the room. did you let her continue stroking you for more than a minute or two and mislead her? if not, when she got a bit stroppy you should yourself have immediately announced that you wished to take the matter to the front desk to settle the dispute.

what is this stuff about being a gentleman all about? come on, man! if she is trying to rip you off, then you should, albiet in a gentlemanly manner, argue forcefully that you were just sitting there minding your own business at the bar, when this girl comes up to you starts kissing and fondling you for a minimal amount of time and then you told her to stop because you were not yet ready to fully commit to a room session. simple. if you buckled in too fast, then you basically threw away the 25e by your own penchant to be "a gentleman."

my advice is that you should try to learn from this experience and next time:

a) be wary of german girls. not all are like this, but many are. i include here girls like the afore-mentioned czech linda who is really more german than czech or anything else because she has been living and growning up in germany far longer than in the czech republic. think of wine grown in germany, but based on a foreign grape...

b) do seek out and enjoy extra-mural pre-session couch action (lying in the kino is a great place to get this at palace), but do always be clear and communicative about your intentions, or in this case, lack of intentions to take matters to the room. remember, technically you are not committed to session if you have not let the girl get her mouth on your lower sex organ! perhaps you should have communicated --if necessary in private conversation-- this better to the front desk lady: she only kissed me once on the lips and touched me down below for a few seconds, and she initiated it, not me! i also think that if you had tactfully said to the lady that if you were forced to pay anything to this scam-artist you the club palace would be loosing a costumer and you would be spreading news of this bad experience all over the internet. that may have made the lady more sympathetic to your position; and it is well known that the desk does more often side with the male german guests...

c) do learn some german, it will improve your whole expereince, believe me.

don't be so quick to condemn this or any other club. we all have these bad experiences from time to time. just have to learn from them and get back on the horse... palace still has some very great girls working there; you just have to learn how to play this field better and to spot potential traps before you completely fall into them.

my two cents...

ortos

[QUOTE=Oceanview]
I ask the mongers out there.. what was correct in this incident? The mamsan said that once there is contact there is an "expectation" that the girl will get money.? Interested in all opinions.
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Dont worry about others opinions. Its all right for others to lecture and say "You should have done this" or "You should have done that". You were the person under pressure and I dont know what I would have done under the circumstances.

I said I would never go to Palace again last November when I saw all this comming. Experienced mongers fall foul of this. German speaking or not.

I have notread a complaint recently where the management did anything other than ask the punter to pay in a dispute, even though sometimes it is at a discounted rate.

Linda is still working. Sasha from Ukrane is still working, the management know about these women and they do nothing about it. they dont have to, they know it.

Asking you to pay for Mama-san's sake is either lazy (or the girls are the boss now not the management.)

In short, go to Oaze, where that kind of treatment happens much less often but you can still get there fast from the airport.

People need to vote with their feet.

Hi Mike,

I guess you are making a veiled comment about my post just below, when you say people are free to lecture about you should have done this or that, or whatever. I was not trying to lecture but just point out, as I tried to do with you (obviously in vein), that this kind of thing can happen in any club to any monger, but that it more often happens by German girls who try to manipulate non-German speaking guests who they perceive as being not very street-smart, etc.

I would point out that this kind of thing can/does happen at Oase and World with more or less equal frequency to Palace.

I have to take issue with some of your comments, since I consider myself a relatively experienced mongers (but still prone to odd mistakes and miscalculations) and I certainly would not "steer clear" of Palace. I know some other equally experienced (if not more exprerienced than me) mongers who also are quite find of Palace.

I disagree strongly with your depiction of Palace it's policy of arbitrating disbutes; and I have personally witnessed the front desk telling girls to get stuffed when they tried to cheat innocent male visitors. I really don't know where you come off accusing the Palace management of siding with the girls 100% of the time... How many times have you been there anyway???

It is true that certain girls like Czech Linda know how to play the game and perhaps bend the rules a bit to their advantage, but if you show these girls you are also rule-smart and know how to play the game yourself, then you can have some really great sessions. I get along great with Linda and consider her a great session partner when I'm in the mood...

I was certainly not trying to lecture anybody, just giving my perspective, as you are welcome to give yours. But I would remind people not to just buckle in at the first sign of pressure and fork over money to a rip-off artist. Be firm and clear about what happened and I think you will be dealt with fairly. Also, alot of the time, the red flags are out there and we mongers must also take some responsibility for either selecting bad partners or perhaps sometimes abusing the couch action ourselves...

I am not passing judgement on Oceanview and not suggesting that he abused the situation at all. How could I? I was not there. But how long did he let this girl kiss and fondle him before he made it clear he had no intention to go to the room. If for just a minute, then the comments I made above stand: Stick to your guns and argue that she initiated it and don't pay. If, on the other hand it went on for many minutes, well...maybe the girl had a point, no?

Anyway, I believe, Mike, that you blame the club, just like many tennis players blame their racket. I imagine that if you re-visited Palace as the more experienced monger you no undoubtedly are, you would be able to weed out the bad apples on sight and enable yourself to have a great time here.

I really think this is still a top club and you are just as likely to meet problem girls at Palace as you are at Oase. I've heard from one our mutual friends, a most experienced monger with very discerning tastes that Palace is at it's best now, as recently as last Friday. Perhaps he might chime in here and give us a comment about the top girl line-up he experierenced a few days ago at Palace???

Cheers, Mike. Mate, don't be so bitter about Hausen...It's a great club...

Ortos

Hey Guys,

I have to chime in here with a defense of Palace. Actually I think it is pretty strong at the moment with some serious talent.

I do not doubt that Oceanview got screwed (figuratively, that is) and this is a shame. No excuse for it and if you have a name of this scammer, then we can spread the word and cut into her business. But as to the ladies who work the desk, I think that they are mostly pretty helpful and they do not usually tolerate this kind of crap. Actually if you told her that "Miss So and So" basically accosted you and grabbed your whatchamacallit without an invite, then the ones that I know would have stood behind you. If not, then Mike is right; you vote with your feet.

I had a situation with a former favorite of mine last year and the same people who work the desk now wanted to intervene on my behalf. I waved them off and compromised with the girl in question. Afterwards the I was told by the management that this girl would be spoken to, that they were sorry and wanted to know if there was anything that they could do. I am a good customer at Palace but I am not there every day or even every week. Still, they treat me like a VIP.

I will admit that there are some sour apples in that club, just like there are in any club. I have seen a few pull this garbage on some people. I have also seen some guys let a girl start a blow job and then break it off and decide not to do a session. In fact I saw this last Friday in the Kino. The guy argued about it, but the girl was entitled to her 25 euros.

If I am not ready for a session, then I tell that to the girl up front. If she still tries to fondle Dedalus Jr. as part of her sales job, then it is her problem if I do not session with her. I never kiss a girl that I do not know unless I am certain that I will take her to a room.

I am sorry that you got hosed Oceanview, but Palace is not a bad place right now. In fact it may be the best of the big three. Off the top of my head, the names of girls like Julia, Delilah, Georgia(or Carla), Kathrin, Dilara, Cindy, Maria (Yes, ST. THAT Maria.), Laura, Angelina and Tiffany are gracing Palace on a regular basis. And there are a few others who buddies of mine are swearing by. I could also provide a list of about 6 girls who are to be avoided, but again, this is the case in all of the Big Three.

Here's wishing you better luck next time,

Dedalus

Well did a quick 4 hour visit to Palace the other night and immediately chatted up Linda. Her tits look alot nicer hanging than they do on her then when she's on her back but a great BBBJ and various positions, not rushed. Well worth the experience. Nothing like watching her tits in action while she's going CG on you, or doggy while you can view them from the mirror.

Later Julia (of Romania) with her new tits convinced me for a session but, she's a consummate pro in attitude. Don't touch my tits, don't do this, don't do that. When the session was over with 10 mins to spare, she wanted to rush out and wouldn't even allow a 5 min decompression time. I would strongly avoid Julia.

[QUOTE=Oceanview]
I told the one girl she was welcome to sit next to me. She was from dusseldorf, thin, short blonde hair, that was tied in a pony tail in the back. She had some scarring on her face but not too bad for a woman in her 30's. She immediately became very touchy, kissed me, and then reached in my pants and stroked the johnson to full attention. Then she became very pushy to go in to the TV room. I said I wanted to relax a bit and the conversation got uglier. She demanded that I go to the room and that actually my 30 minutes had started when I kissed her?????!!!!! Go figure that. I obviously told her that I iwas turned off and I wouldn't be partaking of her services. She said she was going to the office. than the mam-san came out and asked me to settle for 25 euro for her sake (and not the *****'s sake).. so I capitulated, like a gentleman that I am, and that was it. To say the least, I was upset for the rest of the night and ti affected my pleasure and performance, which pissed me off even further.

I ask the mongers out there.. what was correct in this incident? The mamsan said that once there is contact there is an "expectation" that the girl will get money.? Interested in all opinions.

Thanks to all feedback.[/QUOTE]

Oceanview,
Sorry to hear that you got taken advantage of. I must say though that one of the first things I learned on these pages, before I ever went to an FKK, was that if you fool around with a girl on a sofa, you are tacitly agreeing to have a session with her. This girl took it to the extreme as you were at the bar, and not on a sofa. However, if a girl gets next to me *anywhere* in an FKK and starts to fondle me, kiss me, etc., and I am not interested in a session, I *immediately* tell her, "Sorry, I am not interested in going to a room right now". They have always stopped and moved on.

Don't let it sour you on the whole FKK experience or even on The Palace. Not all the women are like that one.

Regards,
V.