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It' s getting interesting for me as well.

First, thanks for your analysis, Liljoy.

The girl actually said $500 a day to me. Then I think I made a mistake. I said, 'That's not bad. That's cheap! ' Now she or Rio may jack up the price. It's actually not that cheap when I have to pay for her airfare, accommodation and food as well.

$400 airfare to bring a girl from Ukraine to DR? Is that what you are saying, Liljoy?

I had not thought about DR. The girl and I were initially considering Italy, but since she needs an EU visa to go to Italy, I was thinking about Maldives instead. The cost may skyrocket. I might consider DR.

But from the Ukrainian girls' point of view, why DR, when they can more easily go to Turkey, Egipt or Tunisia?

As a daily reader of this forum who has not been to the Ukraine yet, this is a subject I know a good bit. The best way to book a flight for a Ukrainian girl to the DR is to book the flight through Air France. They have a one-stop, round-trip flight to Punta Cana for about 1500. I stayed at all inclusive resorts, so that was another 900. Then with my flight, and and spending money, it brought the total for a week of great sex with a hot Ukrainian girl in the paradise of the DR to about 3200. That comes to about 500 a day, which is pretty reasonable for the daily expensive of a sexy girl who hasn't had sex with a thousand guys! I have one girl that I have taken there 3 times, and another that has been with me once there. I have two more girls that are just waiting for there passports before they can travel there, and I can't wait to take them there! Even though both girls are normal and not wg's or semi-pros, they were very aware of the amount of sex I wanted to have with them through our emails and Skype chats, and it was never a problem. With both girls, I had sex at least once a day, and most times 2-3 times a day, most of the time with them being the aggressors!

Haint69,

Thanks for the info.

I guess the plane stops in Paris. Did they not have to stay overnight in Paris?

So how do yo find those innocent Ukrainian girls? Mamba?

[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1346845]Haint69,

Thanks for the info.

I guess the plane stops in Paris. Did they not have to stay overnight in Paris?

So how do yo find those innocent Ukrainian girls? Mamba?[/QUOTE]It's about a 12 hour flight with a 2 hour stop in Paris. I have had some success with the pay marriage sites, finding regular girls who want to eventually get married, but are still open to having fun and traveling.

[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1346673]It' s getting interesting for me as well.

First, thanks for your analysis, Liljoy.

The girl actually said $500 a day to me. Then I think I made a mistake. I said, 'That's not bad. That's cheap! ' Now she or Rio may jack up the price. It's actually not that cheap when I have to pay for her airfare, accommodation and food as well.

$400 airfare to bring a girl from Ukraine to DR? Is that what you are saying, Liljoy?

I had not thought about DR. The girl and I were initially considering Italy, but since she needs an EU visa to go to Italy, I was thinking about Maldives instead. The cost may skyrocket. I might consider DR.

But from the Ukrainian girls' point of view, why DR, when they can more easily go to Turkey, Egipt or Tunisia?[/QUOTE]Dear Schevchenko, you mixed together different things. My post was about $400 price for all night take out from Rio strip club in Kiev to my apartment in Kiev. That had nothing to do with bringing a girl to the DR. In that post, I related that once I took a Rio girl out in Kiev for a full 24 hour period for another $400, totaling $800 for 24 hours. And my analysis was about what was actually being received for that amount and whether it had been worth it to me.

Then on a totally different question raised by Yellowpaul about his desire to take a Ukrainian girl and fly her out to Dominican Republic, I asked about the airfare involved, and about how he was guaranteeing unlimited sex, if the girl was not even a semi-pro. Yellowpaul and Haint69 are talking about Ukrainian girls in general who are not professional strippers and Working Girls (sex for money) , just regular girls, being brought to the Dominican Republic.

You, Schevchenko, were the only one talking about taking out specifically a Rio girl, and you and I were discussing that you might be able to do it if you arranged it through the club, and paid the girl for the number of days of the vacation while at the club in advance. I don't know anyone who took a Rio girl by arrangement through the club on a vacation. I seem to remember a report somewhere back on the thread of a fellow who took a girl on a vacation to Maldives but I don't remember if he got the girl from Rio, or some other source. I think that taking a Rio girl for a vacation will be more costly that what Yellowpaul and Haint69 are suggesting. They are taking regular Ukrainian girls on a vacation. There is no expense except the travel expenses for the girl and themselves. However, a Rio girl will likely add a demand of compensation for her time and services as an escort, in addition to paying all her travel expenses. But you may prefer the Rio girl anyway, for these purposes, despite the added escort costs, for several reasons. When the services are paid for there is no question about your expectation to receive them and the girl's agreement to provide them. There is no ambiguity about their role. Haint69 writes that in respect to this concern he makes certain that there is a clear understanding by the non-pro regular girl about the sex he is expecting from them if he brings them out on a vacation. Another advantage of taking a Rio girl might be that since you have been with her already in Kiev and tried out the merchandise, there is no question or uncertainty of what the sex will be like. You already told me in your initial question that you wanted to invite one of the Rio girls you had taken out and really like. I've been there, buddy. There are some really nice, sexy girls that I've become smitten with that I met at Rio, and that I would love to vacation with and make a "honeymoon" with. The other two fellows seem to be shopping online and taking girls they haven't previously had sex with out on a vacation, and they are hoping for the best.

But this issue of where the girl comes from aside (I. E. Rio girl or other pro, versus a regular girl from a dating website) , the issue I wanted more info about was the costs and logistics.

Haint69 advocates Air France for bringing Ukrainian girls to the Dominican Republic for about $1500. I will just mention that I think it is possible to shave off a few hundred from the cost of her air tickets by using Air Berlin flights to Punta Cana (PUJ) originating from either Dusseldorf or Munich, by flying her from Kiev to one of those airports to connect with the Air Berlin flight to the DR.

The reason that they prefer the destination of the DR probably is the same as mine. I reside in the US, and I can get relatively cheap flights to the DR, with a relatively short travel time. So my own travel plan will be easy. If you reside in Turkey or some other Medditerranean country, it might, in fact, be easier for you to vacation with the girl in Turkey, Egypt or Maldives. BTW, in Dominican Republic it is not illegal for an adult girl to take money for sexual services. That may be a reason it is a favored location for many adult vacation companies. Just do a search on Google for adult vacations and you will find many are based in the DR.

LJ

Dear Liljoy,

" it so happens that Dominican Republic is a favored destination for me as well, especially when the airfares get low (under $400)."

I was talking about this $400 you mentioned, but I now realize you were probably talking about the flight between NY and DR.

Hmmm, I'm not sure if this girl from Rio, who seems to be inexperienced in traveling, would be willing to fly all the way from Kiev to DR for herself. I also reside in the US. I thought I would have to leave Kiev with her for wherever we decide to go. That is why I was thinking of Maldives. I also don't feel like going to those regular destinations for Ukrainians or Russians like Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia. But I'm just wondering if girls in Kiev would prefer DR to Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia.

Please open a thread for travel arrangements, will you.

This here is about Kiev.

BTW. Where is my skinny blondes with 0tits?

[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1347085]Dear Schevchenko, you mixed together different things. My post

The reason that they prefer the destination of the DR probably is the same as mine. I reside in the US, and I can get relatively cheap flights to the DR, with a relatively short travel time. So my own travel plan will be easy. If you reside in Turkey or some other Medditerranean country, it might, in fact, be easier for you to vacation with the girl in Turkey, Egypt or Maldives. BTW, in Dominican Republic it is not illegal for an adult girl to take money for sexual services. That may be a reason it is a favored location for many adult vacation companies. Just do a search on Google for adult vacations and you will find many are based in the DR.

LJ[/QUOTE]Enjoyed reading LJ's In depth cost analysis and favored destinations, But, Surprise, surprise. I never thought I will see the Day when Liljoy makes a Spelling Mistake.

"Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".

I guess with Liljoey it was a Typing issue, and not Spelling.

Unlike the case with Ex President Dan Quayle with his way of spelling (Potato).

He loved Spelling it with an (e) at the end.

[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1347085]Dear Schevchenko,

So my own travel plan will be easy. If you reside in Turkey or some other (Medditerranean) country,

LJ[/QUOTE]There is comfort for me (for me or to me?) in watching (Brain Of USA) at the time [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI.[/url]

There is already: "Travel Announcements Only (No questions or comments please)".

[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1347296]Please open a thread for travel arrangements, will you.

This here is about Kiev.

BTW. Where is my skinny blondes with 0tits?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1347339]Enjoyed reading LJ's In depth cost analysis and favored destinations, But, Surprise, surprise. I never thought I will see the Day.[/QUOTE]This is to the Old Prick sitting next to me right now reading this.

You have been to Kiev 3 times this year, Where are your posts.

Stop Lurking and grammer checking the Kiev thread. Start posting.

I know (I never thought I would the day).

[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1347241]Dear Liljoy,

" it so happens that Dominican Republic is a favored destination for me as well, especially when the airfares get low (under $400)."

I was talking about this $400 you mentioned, but I now realize you were probably talking about the flight between NY and DR.

Hmmm, I'm not sure if this girl from Rio, who seems to be inexperienced in traveling, would be willing to fly all the way from Kiev to DR for herself. I also reside in the US. I thought I would have to leave Kiev with her for wherever we decide to go. That is why I was thinking of Maldives. I also don't feel like going to those regular destinations for Ukrainians or Russians like Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia. But I'm just wondering if girls in Kiev would prefer DR to Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia.[/QUOTE]That's a hell of a lot of flying for you to do! As far as the girl being afraid to travel all the way to DR on her own because she is not experienced as a traveler, I suppose it depends on the personality of the individual girl. Some are timid, and some are adventurers. A couple of Rio girls, including one of my favorites, just departed on a vacation to Mexico. Despite my begging, my favorita refused to allow me to join with them or meet them in Mexico, and my offers to pay didn't budge her. They are going

I don't know the answer about whether Ukrainian girls would prefer DR to the closer more usual destinations like Egypt or Turkey. Some of them have gotten to those nearer destinations on their own, and don't need help from you, so maybe the fact that you're paying will make DR attractive.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1347339]Enjoyed reading LJ's In depth cost analysis and favored destinations, But, Surprise, surprise. I never thought I will see the Day when Liljoy makes a Spelling Mistake.

"Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".

I guess with Liljoey it was a Typing issue, and not Spelling.

Unlike the case with Ex President Dan Quayle with his way of spelling (Potato).

He loved Spelling it with an (e) at the end.[/QUOTE]You have found out my weakness, Jojosun. When there is Kryptonite in my immediate vicinity, I lose the ability to properly spell and have been caught red-handed by you leaving off the "e" from Turkeye.

LOL.

I am one if those whom Big Brother has seen fit in His great wisdom, to deny the ability to correct and edit my masterpieces. Hence they will stand for all eternity full of spelling flaws, mostly introduced by my iPhone's auto-spell function into my meticulous prose. In this I join the ranks of other great writers on this thread.

So I stand corrected.

[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1347296]Please open a thread for travel arrangements, will you.

This here is about Kiev.

BTW. Where is my skinny blondes with 0tits?[/QUOTE]Dear Dr O.

I wouldn't dismiss this discussion so cavalierly, since under discussion is the best way to have sex with Kiev girls, a matter which pertains to the kind of girls you are interested in also.

Apart from the purely economic considerations, which I will take up in a moment, taking a Kiev girl on a vacation versus having sex with her in Kiev, raises for our consideration the following pros and cons:

Vacation Cons:

In Kiev one can have a large variety of different pro or semi-pro girls for a low price, whereas on a vacation one is necessarily limited to the girl one took on the vacation for the duration.

Vacation Pros:

In a vacation scenario, it would seem an easier feat to get a regular girl to agree to freebie sex in return for the enticement of a beautiful vacation, than when trying to bed such a girl in Kiev based solely on your own "game".

In Kiev, all your sex during the winter will be in a drab city that is pretty cold, and often freezing, whereas the locale of a vacation date can be luxuriously warm and romantic.

That's all I could think of at the moment, in terms of pros and cons of having the sex in Kiev versus taking a Kiev girl on a vacation. I'm sure others can think of more aspects to consider.

As for the economic costs comparison, it is clear that the week long vacation in the DR with the girl from Ukraine (with sex up to 2 or 3 times each day) , will cost far less than traveling to Kiev and paying for girls there for an equivalent amount of sex. The numbers speak for themselves!

Airfare from New York to Kiev can be as low as $621 on Aeroflot. A week to rent a luxury apartment downtown Kiev at $110 / night will be $770. Food for a week can be estimated at $500, especially if one makes good use of the full kitchen in the apartment. So travel related costs for a week long trip from NY to Kiev total $1891. Adding taxi costs and incidentals, it's about $2000.

To achieve the equivalent of the sex possible on a week vacation with a girl, one should assume 2 to 3 times sex each 24 hour day, plus continuous companionship.

What would it cost to have a mamba girl whose base rate is $75 / hr or $100 / hr stay with you for a complete 24 hour day? For a full week?

Probably a 24 hour date could be gotten for maybe $400, but more likely $500, depending on the girl. A week would not cost simply a multiple of that fee by seven. There would be some discounting. I can't see many girls turning down a flat fee of $2000 for a week long booking, since that is a huge amount for a Ukrainian, and such a booking comes along very rarely. Only a girl who is routinely taking in over $400 every night would look at it as losing money. So I'm guesstimating one could get an agreement for a weeklong companion for $2000, or maybe $2500 in Kiev.

Sex with three mamba girls each day for two to three hours each, would cost between $400 to $500 each day, depending on the girl, which over the week would cost more than a package deal for a one week booking with just one girl. But the allure of variety may dictate this choice anyways.

But using the guesstimate of $2500 for a week long booking in Kiev, plus the $2000 travel costs of traveling from NY to Kiev, we see that the total costs comes out to about $4500.

So if you compare the cost of travelling to Kiev for a week long date with a girl of $4500, to the costs of bringing that girl out to the Dominican Republic for a week long vacation (around $3400) , you can see that the vacation idea has economic merit.

I arrived at the $3400 figure for a DR week long vacation as follows: $1500 girl airfare + $500 your own airfare + $1400 resort costs = $3400.

Resort costs: Many high end (4 and 5 stars) all-inclusive resorts in Punta Cana, DR cost in the area of $200 / night, so a week there at a good high end resort, would cost around $1400. Yes you can go cheaper, but I'm comparing to luxury accommodations possible in high end luxury apartments in downtown Kiev, so it's more properly compared to the high end resorts.

LJ

You guys mentioned flying girls to DR without ever being to Ukraine, where do you meet the girl that agrees to such arrangement?

Thanks in advance.